The Charlie Kirk Show - Prison, Pardons, and Reality TV

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00:02:14.000 Great to meet you.

00:02:15.000 You as well.

00:02:16.000 And so your family's been the headlines a little bit last couple of weeks.

00:02:20.000 Yes.

00:02:21.000 And you kind of are a central player in all this.

00:02:23.000 Yes.

00:02:24.000 So for people that have no idea who you are or your family is, who are you?

00:02:31.000 So I grew up in Atlanta, Fulton County, and we had a TV show.

00:02:37.000 It was on USA Network for 10 seasons.

00:02:40.000 And it was one of the highest rated on cable television.

00:02:44.000 It was on USA, re-ran on EM Bravo.

00:02:47.000 I think it was the first time that had ever happened where it was on three different networks.

00:02:52.000 And it was just an overnight success.

00:02:54.000 And it was more of a scripted comedy.

00:02:57.000 What was it?

00:02:58.000 It was my dad, like, is a very strict parent.

00:03:03.000 And it was, but it was more comedy.

00:03:05.000 He knew how to parent in a way that was very tough.

00:03:08.000 But at the end of the day, he always made it fun.

00:03:10.000 And both my parents were in real estate.

00:03:13.000 And obviously during 08, when the crash happened, the world was on fire.

00:03:17.000 It impacted his business the most.

00:03:20.000 And when that happened, everything went downhill.

00:03:24.000 And then they were under investigation.

00:03:26.000 I think it was in 2012 it started.

00:03:28.000 And then in 2019, there was a federal indictment to come down.

00:03:32.000 And it was history for many.

00:03:34.000 So what was the show called?

00:03:35.000 Sorry for my Christley knows best.

00:03:37.000 And the show was like...

00:03:43.000 It was more of a scripted comedy.

00:03:45.000 You were part of it as well?

00:03:46.000 Yes.

00:03:47.000 Yeah.

00:03:47.000 So me, all my siblings, my parents, my grandmother.

00:03:51.000 It was just your big southern larger than life family.

00:03:55.000 And so 2012 to 2019, that's a seven-year investigation.

00:03:59.000 Yes.

00:04:00.000 For people that don't know, what was that all about?

00:04:04.000 Yeah.

00:04:04.000 Well, I like to say if it takes you seven years to issue a formal indictment, then you don't have that strong of a case.

00:04:12.000 But unfortunately, my dad's former business partner had signed a full immunity deal with the government.

00:04:19.000 And he got on the stand and said, I committed all these crimes, but they knew that I was, like they knew I was doing it.

00:04:27.000 And all the charges were tax fraud, bank fraud, conspiracy.

00:04:32.000 Then they came down with a superseding indictment once my parents wouldn't budge and enter into a plea deal, as the government does.

00:04:41.000 What was the main accusations?

00:04:44.000 Tax fraud and bank fraud.

00:04:46.000 Bank fraud probably being the largest because they actually, during trial, they didn't even get sentenced to time on the tax fraud.

00:04:53.000 It was all, they were sentenced based off of the bank fraud conspiracy.

00:04:58.000 And so then they got sentenced when?

00:05:01.000 They got sentenced in, what year was it, Mom?

00:05:05.000 June of 22.

00:05:06.000 Yeah.

00:05:06.000 Oh, she's here.

00:05:06.000 June.

00:05:07.000 Yeah, she is here.

00:05:08.000 Congratulations.

00:05:09.000 Yeah, so June of 22 was when we got the guilty verdict.

00:05:13.000 Wow, that's a 10-year thing.

00:05:15.000 That's insane.

00:05:16.000 And it was in Fulton County.

00:05:18.000 Our judge was the youngest black female appointed by Obama.

00:05:22.000 Both prosecutors were federal court.

00:05:25.000 Yes, federal court.

00:05:26.000 And both prosecutors donated to Democratic campaigns.

00:05:29.000 They referred to us as the Trumps of the South in a meeting in front of the judge and our lawyers.

00:05:36.000 It was, we knew at that point that it was going downhill fast.

00:05:41.000 So then what was amazing, how long was the prison sentence?

00:05:45.000 My dad got 12 years and my mom got seven.

00:05:48.000 And so just to be clear, did your dad like burn down a Wendy's or something?

00:05:54.000 You know, you would think.

00:05:56.000 Yeah, you would think.

00:05:57.000 I mean, 12 years for white-collar crime and first-time offender, I imagine.

00:06:01.000 Nonviolent first-time offender.

00:06:03.000 Yes.

00:06:03.000 Meanwhile, you can burn the streets in the summer of 2020 and we give you money.

00:06:09.000 Yes, exactly.

00:06:10.000 It's an outrageous situation.

00:06:11.000 That's what I have said.

00:06:12.000 And at the end of the day, if they did what they were accused of doing, if it is a financial crime, meet it with a financial punishment.

00:06:19.000 Because, I mean, that hurts just as bad, but that's not what happened.

00:06:24.000 And I like to compare it to Elizabeth Holmes in that whole case.

00:06:27.000 She got 11 years for, I think a billion dollars worth of fraud and people supposedly lost their lives.

00:06:34.000 Like it was, this was a very political persecution.

00:06:38.000 So the so they get sentenced to jail in 2022.

00:06:45.000 And so you, where were you at in your life at that time?

00:06:50.000 I was, we were filming a new TV show.

00:06:53.000 So where we were filming a new season of the TV show.

00:06:56.000 The network actually signed a new deal after the indictment came down.

00:07:00.000 They knew everything that was going on.

00:07:01.000 They figured it'd be good for ratings or something?

00:07:03.000 Well, they wouldn't even let us speak about it, which was interesting.

00:07:05.000 So it put us in a bad light because it made us look like liars and this whole scheme.

00:07:11.000 But we were filming a TV show and we never expected it to go the way that it did.

00:07:15.000 We spent millions of dollars on trial lawyers and they threw the book at them.

00:07:22.000 So they get sentenced to jail.

00:07:25.000 How long between sentencing and actually arrival?

00:07:28.000 So they were sentenced.

00:07:29.000 Well, they were found guilty in June of 23.

00:07:32.000 Then in November of 23, they were sentenced.

00:07:36.000 And I say the only thing the judge, thank you.

00:07:40.000 The only thing the judge did for us was she gave us Thanksgiving and Christmas to have together.

00:07:46.000 And then January, they, January 17th of 2023 is when both my parents reported to federal prison.

00:07:54.000 And at that time, I got custody of my 10-year-old brother and my 10-year-old sister and 16-year-old brother.

00:08:02.000 Oh my gosh, I can't even speak today.

00:08:03.000 10-year-old sister and 16-year-old brother.

00:08:06.000 And I was 25 at the time.

00:08:08.000 25 at the time?

00:08:09.000 And not married?

00:08:10.000 No.

00:08:11.000 Did they issue a big fine as well?

00:08:14.000 They did.

00:08:14.000 So it was $17 million in restitution, which is something it's really funny because when you look at the media headlines, they love to talk about this $36 million worth of fraud.

00:08:25.000 And that was not the case.

00:08:27.000 This was back in 08.

00:08:29.000 My father was in real estate.

00:08:30.000 They had all these loans.

00:08:32.000 But never one time at trial did the prosecutor show a single loan document.

00:08:36.000 And so our argument was, what is the actual loss amount?

00:08:40.000 And they could never verify what the loss amount was.

00:08:43.000 Yeah, was it just like the amount of loans he took out in collective?

00:08:46.000 Is that what they considered?

00:08:48.000 They love to do anything they can for the headlines.

00:08:51.000 So he had loans on homes and he flipped homes.

00:08:56.000 He was in the real estate market.

00:08:57.000 He had the largest asset management company.

00:09:00.000 And the government just tried to add up as much money as possible without taking into consideration what properties or artwork or furniture was held as collateral.

00:09:10.000 And even at trial, one of the government's own witnesses who was the vice president of a bank said, you know, back in 08 when the world was on fire, everyone was throwing their loans back at us.

00:09:21.000 And Mr. Christley came to us and said, let's try to make you as whole as possible.

00:09:26.000 That was the government's own witness.

00:09:28.000 And that right there is not conspiracy to defraud.

00:09:32.000 So then you went from sibling to parent overnight?

00:09:37.000 Yes.

00:09:37.000 What was that like?

00:09:38.000 It was a challenge because obviously a preteen girl and a teenage boy, I was their sister.

00:09:45.000 So it was hard for them to look at me and have that respect of a parent.

00:09:49.000 Like you're going to listen to what I say.

00:09:51.000 But I like to say we kind of grew up together.

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00:10:06.000 It was a challenge because I was not expecting to get two kids at 25.

00:10:11.000 I was like anyone else, any child TV star.

00:10:14.000 Like I got money, I spent it, wasn't really worried about saving.

00:10:18.000 And it was hard.

00:10:20.000 I was a single income household as a woman, lost a TV show, literally lost everything overnight.

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00:11:59.000 So you have to take care of these two young people, both minors.

00:12:05.000 Yes.

00:12:06.000 What did the judge have to do?

00:12:07.000 I mean, I'm sure you appealed to the judge about this, right?

00:12:10.000 We did.

00:12:10.000 So we asked for staggered.

00:12:12.000 We asked for my parents to be staggered, but the judge looked at us in the courtroom and said, she actually looked at my parents and said, you didn't care about your children when you were committing these crimes.

00:12:24.000 So why should I care about them now?

00:12:26.000 Yeah, that's dark.

00:12:28.000 Yeah, right.

00:12:29.000 So then they went to different prisons?

00:12:33.000 Yeah.

00:12:33.000 So my dad was in Pensacola, Florida, and my mother was in Lexington, Kentucky.

00:12:38.000 So 10 hours away from each other.

00:12:40.000 And they had only distant contact?

00:12:43.000 No, they never got to speak on the phone.

00:12:45.000 Really?

00:12:45.000 Yeah.

00:12:46.000 And two and a half years that they were gone, and they were together almost 30 years.

00:12:49.000 They're still together.

00:12:50.000 But they had never gone a day without speaking to each other.

00:12:54.000 And these were lower security prisons?

00:12:56.000 Yeah, so it was in camps.

00:12:58.000 Yes, thankfully.

00:12:58.000 They were in camps, but it was still, I have seen how broken our system is.

00:13:04.000 And thankfully, our new director of the Bureau of Prisons, Billy Marshall, is phenomenal.

00:13:09.000 And Josh Smith, they're amazing.

00:13:12.000 And they're going to change some things.

00:13:14.000 So for that, I'm grateful.

00:13:15.000 So then you had to raise your two siblings, and then how often were you able to visit Lexington and Pensacola?

00:13:21.000 So the first year they were gone, I think we went like 48 weekends out of the year.

00:13:26.000 Whoa.

00:13:27.000 Yeah.

00:13:28.000 So we would go to mom one weekend, dad the next.

00:13:31.000 That shows that you guys are like actually close family though.

00:13:35.000 Yes, yes.

00:13:35.000 So I mean, like there's a lot of like fake stuff in the world.

00:13:40.000 But I can tell you like a lot of child actors, if their parents went to prison, they wouldn't visit 48 times.

00:13:47.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:13:48.000 But in imagining you're like road tripping from Atlanta, right?

00:13:50.000 Yeah, well, so we're in Nashville now.

00:13:52.000 Oh, okay.

00:13:53.000 So we moved to Nashville 10 years ago.

00:13:55.000 So Lexington's not that bad.

00:13:56.000 No, Lexington was three and a half hours one way, so...

00:13:59.000 so we would get up and call it six seven hours seven hours yeah so when it would be when we would go to see mom we would get up 3 4 a.m and drive to see her that day and stay until 3 p.m and then drive home that night and then for dad we would drive 15 hours in one weekend and then the kids had to be up for school monday morning and you had to make sure that they were fed and fed civilized like therapy all of the things there were they were in therapy every single week that was one because of this yes because of this

00:14:29.000 am because I refuse to allow these children to be another statistic.

00:14:34.000 Whose initiative was it to visit 48 times?

00:14:38.000 Is that your initiative?

00:14:40.000 Yes, I think we all were just under the understanding that like this is what you do.

00:14:44.000 No, that's not normal.

00:14:46.000 Just so you know.

00:14:47.000 I hope your mom understands that.

00:14:50.000 Does she understand that?

00:14:52.000 I know a lot of people that have parents in prison or have been in prison.

00:14:58.000 That is very much not normal.

00:14:59.000 I think for me, the way that I grew up, my mother never missed a school drop-off or pickup or sporting event.

00:15:06.000 Even with all the celebrity.

00:15:07.000 No, she never.

00:15:08.000 Like her kids were her number one priority.

00:15:11.000 So if she could do that for me for 25 years of my life, even as an adult, she wouldn't miss a doctor's appointment.

00:15:19.000 So if my mother can show up for me like that, why can I not show up for her as her daughter like that?

00:15:25.000 Why did they loop your mom into this? 0.83

00:15:27.000 It's what the government loves to do.

00:15:29.000 You know, they go after the man and then if they, the male figure doesn't plead guilty, then they use their spouse or girlfriend as a pawn to get that plea.

00:15:40.000 Do they regret not going through the plea deal?

00:15:44.000 Not that they did it or didn't do it.

00:15:45.000 I just, I know so many people that decide to fight it and they get like 15 years in prison.

00:15:50.000 For my parents, they always said, we're not going to say we did something that we didn't do.

00:15:56.000 And that was their biggest.

00:15:58.000 It's a very rigged system.

00:15:59.000 It is.

00:16:00.000 I mean, what the department of justice has a 98% conviction rate.

00:16:04.000 And if you plea, you might, if they would have pled, they might not have gone to jail.

00:16:08.000 And maybe, you don't know.

00:16:09.000 Honestly, there was never that opportunity for us.

00:16:12.000 Even just a plea deal that they were kind of throwing out was still, I think, around five and 10 years.

00:16:18.000 So it was all about them having these TV stars.

00:16:23.000 I mean, even in their press conference, they said, if these reality TV people aren't above the law, neither are you.

00:16:29.000 So it was all about them getting this one big case so they can go off into private practice and make a name for themselves.

00:16:36.000 And so this was amazingly, the indictment came down under Trump's department of justice.

00:16:42.000 Yes.

00:16:42.000 And that's the thing that people don't realize is like, people love to say, oh, your president is the one who indicted them.

00:16:48.000 And I'm like, hold on.

00:16:49.000 That's not what happened.

00:16:51.000 All of this started 10 years ago, you know, this and even the prosecutors, yes.

00:16:57.000 And even the prosecutors were, the prosecutors were Democrats.

00:17:01.000 The judge was appointed by Obama.

00:17:03.000 Like this, just because a president comes into office doesn't mean everyone else that was placed before him goes.

00:17:10.000 Yes.

00:17:11.000 And so people don't realize that.

00:17:12.000 So you're visiting regularly and then Trump wins.

00:17:16.000 Yes.

00:17:16.000 Well, actually, so I'm visiting regularly and then I became very vocal just about the conditions of the prisons because they were very inhumane.

00:17:26.000 And when I did that, a very, you know, another conservative group reached out to me and asked me to speak at their conference.

00:17:33.000 And I spoke there and it kind of, that took off.

00:17:36.000 And a lot of other politicians like wanted to meet with me and hear my side of the story.

00:17:42.000 And then the president's team reached out and asked me to speak at the RNC.

00:17:46.000 So I spoke.

00:17:47.000 That's right.

00:17:47.000 I remember that.

00:17:48.000 Yeah.

00:17:48.000 So I spoke at the Republican National Convention and things just kept coming my way.

00:17:53.000 But at the same time, I also like to say, I forced myself into rooms I was never invited into.

00:17:59.000 And because I had one goal in mind and that was to get my parents home.

00:18:03.000 I had two minor children looking at me saying like, when are mom and dad coming home?

00:18:06.000 And when they realize how hard this is, like, do they get that?

00:18:10.000 Yeah.

00:18:10.000 Oh yeah.

00:18:10.000 Oh, they do.

00:18:11.000 My, like my little sister, it was hard for her every time I would leave.

00:18:15.000 But then she would say, well, my sister's fighting for my parents.

00:18:18.000 She's at the White House or she's doing this or that.

00:18:21.000 So they, they do realize it took a lot.

00:18:24.000 I didn't have a single political connection two and a half years ago, like not a single one.

00:18:30.000 And somehow we made it to where we're at today.

00:18:33.000 And so then, so Trump gets sworn in.

00:18:35.000 Yes.

00:18:36.000 And walk us through these couple months up to the, was it a partner commutation?

00:18:39.000 It was a full, actually, so the story that people don't know was, I guess before, it was probably four to six months before he won the election.

00:18:50.000 I got invited to an event at Mar-a-Lago and this was when all of his stuff with Fulton County was going on at the same time as us.

00:18:58.000 And I went to take a picture with him and I just word vomited.

00:19:02.000 I was like, this is my one opportunity to tell him my story.

00:19:05.000 And I started talking to him and then secret service comes up and they're like, all right, time for you to go.

00:19:10.000 And he looks at them and goes, no, I'm speaking to her.

00:19:13.000 She's good.

00:19:13.000 And he allowed me to share my story with him.

00:19:16.000 And when I told him the amount of time they got, he was like, you're kidding me, right?

00:19:20.000 I was like, I wish I was.

00:19:21.000 He goes, that's absolutely insane.

00:19:23.000 He was like, let me get back in office and I promise you I'll look into it.

00:19:27.000 And then when he won, I was like, then at that point I was like, this man is busier than we like anyone in the world.

00:19:35.000 I was like, he's not going to remember the conversation we had.

00:19:38.000 So exactly.

00:19:39.000 But I was like, all right, now, now I'm on my tour to remind him of the conversation that we had.

00:19:45.000 And I went to every event I got invited to at the White House, became part of the Maha Moms, did everything.

00:19:51.000 And that's how the pardon.

00:19:52.000 And then Alice Johnson, obviously she's phenomenal. 0.89

00:19:55.000 And that's how the pardon happened.

00:19:57.000 But when the president called to let me know that he was giving my parents the pardon on the phone, he looked at Alice and he said, he's telling me my parents are getting their life back.

00:20:06.000 And then he told Alice, he was like, is this a commutation or a full pardon?

00:20:10.000 She was like, well, as of now it's a commutation.

00:20:12.000 He goes, nope, not today.

00:20:13.000 He goes, give these people a full unconditional pardon.

00:20:17.000 They need to get their lives back and not have anything holding them back.

00:20:21.000 And I was like, I was happy for a commutation, but still then the 17 million follows you.

00:20:26.000 Now with a full unconditional pardon, it all goes away.

00:20:29.000 There's no fine, right?

00:20:29.000 No.

00:20:30.000 And the government potentially owes us money.

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00:21:36.000 So the months prior to the pardon, you were working the circuit, hopeful.

00:21:43.000 Yes.

00:21:44.000 Walk us through that.

00:21:45.000 It's funny.

00:21:47.000 I mean, we just ran into Nancy Mace as we were walking up, and she hugged my mom.

00:21:51.000 She was like, I just have to tell you, your daughter took every single opportunity.

00:21:55.000 Anyone she came in contact with, she shared their story.

00:21:58.000 She shared your story, and if she saw someone that could help, she made a beeline for them.

00:22:05.000 And I have no shame in it, because when your family's on the line, and my dad's in his late 50s, like he would have been in his late 60s coming home, the best years of his life are gone.

00:22:17.000 So there was nothing that was going to hold me back.

00:22:20.000 I never thought I was too good to ask or beg for help.

00:22:23.000 And I mean, Carrie Lake, I FaceTimed her as soon as I got my dad, and she told my dad the same thing.

00:22:30.000 She was actually crying on the phone when she saw him, and she was like, your daughter did it.

00:22:34.000 Like, she went into rooms.

00:22:35.000 She spoke.

00:22:36.000 She told your story in a way that made people want to help her.

00:22:40.000 And so now everyone's free.

00:22:42.000 Everyone's free.

00:22:42.000 What are you going to do with your time?

00:22:43.000 Well, you know, it's funny.

00:22:45.000 You've got to find another project.

00:22:46.000 Right?

00:22:46.000 I've got to find another project.

00:22:48.000 I like to say, like, I didn't choose the world of politics, but it kind of chose me.

00:22:52.000 Uh-huh.

00:22:52.000 There's no going back.

00:22:54.000 There's no going back.

00:22:55.000 Once you're in it, you're in it, as you know.

00:22:57.000 But now my main focus was to help my parents.

00:23:00.000 But in the midst of helping them, I saw how many broken individuals there are in the system and how much injustice has been done.

00:23:09.000 So now I'm on my kind of tour to help others.

00:23:12.000 And if I can provide the gift for other families that people provided for me and that the president provided for me, then that's what I'm on my mission to do.

00:23:22.000 And so what about the prison system do you think people should know about that they don't?

00:23:29.000 I like to say if it can happen to us, it can happen to you.

00:23:34.000 I mean, it's a federal crime to ship an orchid without proper paperwork.

00:23:39.000 Like, you could literally go to prison for that.

00:23:43.000 So there are more federal— But it's not a crime to break into America.

00:23:46.000 Yeah.

00:23:46.000 Thank you.

00:23:47.000 Thank you. 0.51

00:23:47.000 No, let's— Let's put the Chrisleys in prison. 0.51

00:23:49.000 But if you cross the southern border, you get benefits.

00:23:52.000 Oh, yeah.

00:23:52.000 In Nashville right now, our— Makes a lot of sense.

00:23:54.000 Yeah.

00:23:54.000 Our mayor actually turned off the license plate readers because he said that ICE was using it to detain illegals.

00:24:03.000 Why are you guys putting up with that?

00:24:05.000 It's—honestly, it is extremely difficult.

00:24:08.000 But we have a lot of transplants.

00:24:11.000 And Nashville, the city, is very blue.

00:24:14.000 So I have definitely fought against it.

00:24:16.000 And I'm going to continue to because at the end of the day, it's just wrong.

00:24:21.000 But when it comes to the prison system, I like to tell people, you know what?

00:24:25.000 You have a lot of conservatives, too.

00:24:26.000 Criminal justice reform is not a very conservative way of thinking.

00:24:30.000 But think of it as being your mother or your daughter or your child.

00:24:35.000 And there should never be a time to where a human being is sitting in a prison that is 110 degrees because there's no air conditioning.

00:24:44.000 I even had Tom Homan look at me and say, Savannah, you would be pissed if you saw the criteria for these ICE detention facilities and then saw the criteria for where your parents are at.

00:24:56.000 Of course.

00:24:57.000 He said— Illegal immigrants get way better treatment than our citizens. 1.00

00:25:00.000 Exactly.

00:25:00.000 So I think that's the hard part.

00:25:02.000 And just seeing that they're consuming food that says not for human consumption.

00:25:06.000 I like to say a judge sentences you to a time.

00:25:09.000 You've got to start an end date.

00:25:11.000 But with the conditions you're being subjected to, you're serving a life sentence when you leave.

00:25:15.000 And so now, like I said, with the director of the Bureau of Prisons, Billy Marshall, and deputy director Josh Smith, they have made it a commitment to actually go into every single one of these prisons.

00:25:26.000 And they're going to start shutting them down.

00:25:27.000 Or they're going to start making the necessary changes to give these people a second chance at life and

00:25:34.000 rehabilitate them and for people that don't care about prison reform and you think all right bad people go to prison well 95 of them are coming out one day so care about yourself enough i mean they're going to be your neighbors so care about yourself enough to make sure that these individuals get rehabilitated so the um this process has been unexpected yes and has has changed you what is the role of faith that it played in all oh i I've said when my parents left that first,

00:26:03.000 I think it was like a Wednesday.

00:26:05.000 And then we got a call that they could have visits that weekend.

00:26:08.000 And I remember being upstairs in my little sister's room, trying to unpack her clothes, get all of her stuff organized.

00:26:14.000 And I was like, I don't know what you're supposed to wear to a prison.

00:26:17.000 And then I literally broke down and just fell to the floor.

00:26:22.000 And I was like, I'm not my mother.

00:26:24.000 Like, I cannot do this.

00:26:25.000 Like, my mother's one of the strongest people I've ever come in contact with.

00:26:29.000 And I'm like, I can't do this.

00:26:30.000 Like, and by the grace of God, like every time I felt like I was going to break and that I couldn't do it, like God would intervene.

00:26:40.000 Something, there was a little glimmer of hope that would come in.

00:26:43.000 And there's, there's no other explanation other than God that got us through what we got through.

00:26:49.000 And so your siblings are doing fine?

00:26:52.000 Yes.

00:26:52.000 My, my little brother is 19th, University of Alabama and just made the dean's list.

00:26:57.000 Amazing.

00:26:57.000 Yes.

00:26:58.000 So I'm like, you know what?

00:26:59.000 I know I did something right.

00:27:01.000 And he is the greatest human being in the world.

00:27:04.000 He's my absolute best friend.

00:27:05.000 And so they're thriving.

00:27:07.000 I'm thriving.

00:27:08.000 I'm trying to, it's a weird place.

00:27:10.000 My parents have only been out for two weeks.

00:27:12.000 And so.

00:27:12.000 So thank you for coming to the event.

00:27:14.000 Yay.

00:27:15.000 It's, I am.

00:27:15.000 So you had not been able to get a meal with them for almost two years?

00:27:18.000 Two and a half years.

00:27:19.000 Two and a half years.

00:27:20.000 Yeah.

00:27:21.000 So like what was, what was, like, so they get out of, so they're two separate prisons.

00:27:24.000 Yes.

00:27:25.000 Did they both get released simultaneously?

00:27:28.000 So I, they did, but I had to fight with the prison to let my dad out because they wanted to try to pull some nonsense on me because it was past five o'clock.

00:27:36.000 We dealt with this with January 6th, guys.

00:27:38.000 Yes.

00:27:39.000 And I went outside, did a press conference in front of the prison and said, like, the president signed an order that said they must be released immediately.

00:27:48.000 And I looked at the head person at the prison.

00:27:50.000 I said, keep him past 11.59 p.m. and you'll be in prison next.

00:27:55.000 And he was like, I don't want any problems.

00:27:57.000 I don't want any problems.

00:27:57.000 I was like, then let him out.

00:27:59.000 And Billy Marshall got on the phone and made it happen literally within 30 minutes of the whole debacle occurring.

00:28:05.000 But when we left, it was funny.

00:28:06.000 My dad gets in the car and we actually FaceTime Margo and she's with the president and he like sees my dad.

00:28:12.000 He was like, well, you look good.

00:28:15.000 It was hilarious.

00:28:16.000 And then my dad was like, all right, find me a pizza hut.

00:28:19.000 So we left.

00:28:19.000 Our first meal was Pizza Hut.

00:28:21.000 Yes.

00:28:22.000 Why?

00:28:23.000 I don't know, but it was Pizza Hut.

00:28:25.000 So, yeah.

00:28:26.000 They don't serve that in prison.

00:28:27.000 They do not.

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00:29:35.000 So your mom got out the same day.

00:29:37.000 So you went to go get your mom first and then your dad?

00:29:39.000 No, so my brother Grayson went to get my mom.

00:29:42.000 So you guys split up?

00:29:43.000 Yeah, we split up.

00:29:44.000 He went to the house.

00:29:45.000 What was her first meal?

00:29:46.000 Waffle House?

00:29:47.000 Her first meal was Zaxby's.

00:29:49.000 Okay.

00:29:49.000 Yeah, you know?

00:29:50.000 Very southern.

00:29:51.000 Yeah, very southern.

00:29:52.000 Say it was, you're going to go to, what is it, cookout or something?

00:29:54.000 Yeah.

00:29:55.000 Yeah, right.

00:29:56.000 Hey, I think at that point, they were just happy to have like real food.

00:30:00.000 Yes.

00:30:00.000 People don't realize like the slop you have to eat in prison.

00:30:03.000 Like I said, the meat, the packaging on the meat says not for human consumption.

00:30:08.000 Really?

00:30:09.000 Yeah.

00:30:09.000 So is it for like dogs?

00:30:11.000 Yeah.

00:30:11.000 For dogs, animals, whatever.

00:30:13.000 Literally says not for humans.

00:30:15.000 This is not a violent prison.

00:30:16.000 No, it's not.

00:30:17.000 It's not.

00:30:17.000 This is for low security.

00:30:19.000 It is, but you do, and that's the biggest misconception too, is yes, it's a camp, but a lot of people work their way down.

00:30:25.000 So like there, my dad was in there with some of the biggest drug dealers and he, they were some of his best friends, you know, and that my dad said it was the, it was such a life-changing experience because he grew up in a world to where you were friends with people who were like you.

00:30:41.000 And then going to prison showed him that we really are all the same.

00:30:45.000 And he got to be friends with people he would have never have been friends with in the outside world.

00:30:50.000 Wow.

00:30:51.000 And so they're released for the last two weeks.

00:30:53.000 Yes.

00:30:53.000 Are they, is your dad gaining his weight back?

00:30:56.000 I mean, hey, honestly, he worked out nonstop when he was there.

00:31:00.000 No, but it's not a joke.

00:31:01.000 People like lose a lot of weight in prison.

00:31:03.000 They do.

00:31:03.000 Like when Bannon went to prison, he lost like 40 pounds.

00:31:06.000 Yes.

00:31:07.000 Like my dad just walked and worked out.

00:31:09.000 He refused to eat from the chow hall is what they call it.

00:31:12.000 So he would just eat the food from the commissary.

00:31:15.000 So he would literally just like live off of tuna.

00:31:18.000 Wow.

00:31:18.000 Yeah.

00:31:19.000 Okay.

00:31:19.000 So just like pure protein.

00:31:20.000 Yeah.

00:31:21.000 So I doubt he really wants to see a pack of tuna ever again.

00:31:24.000 Yeah.

00:31:25.000 And so what are they going to do next?

00:31:28.000 Well, we've already started back filming.

00:31:30.000 So that's great.

00:31:31.000 It's kind of, it has to be a lot for them.

00:31:33.000 I cannot imagine being locked in somewhere for two and a half years and doing the same thing every single day and then getting out and the world being all over you and cameras in your face.

00:31:45.000 So I know it's overwhelming for them.

00:31:47.000 But like I said, God has provided and them coming out and having this TV show and starting their lives back.

00:31:54.000 I mean, it is the biggest blessing.

00:31:57.000 And I mean, boy, if Kamala Harris would have been president, I don't think you guys would be having this conversation right now.

00:32:02.000 On election night, I was watching it with my brother Grayson.

00:32:05.000 And when the president won, we were both sobbing because I knew in my heart, that was my only way out.

00:32:14.000 Like that was my only way out because we even filed an appeal and we won it in part when it came to my mother.

00:32:22.000 And so she had to be resentenced.

00:32:24.000 And we went back to her resentencing hearing and the judge gave her more time.

00:32:29.000 So she kept the seven years, but then gave her two more years of supervised release.

00:32:34.000 And which should have been, she should have had time served at that point.

00:32:40.000 And the judge looked at me, and this was after I spoke at the RNC.

00:32:43.000 She looked at me, and it's in the court transcripts, and she said, to the person who has these minor children in their custody, you need to be more concerned with their well-being than spreading false information to the public.

00:32:55.000 That's a federal judge.

00:32:56.000 A federal judge's name.

00:32:58.000 Eleanor Ross.

00:32:59.000 Yeah.

00:33:00.000 That doesn't sound like a name.

00:33:00.000 She actually ruled against.

00:33:01.000 That doesn't sound like a Trump appointee.

00:33:02.000 No, she, Obama appointee, and she actually ruled against the president when it came to mail-in ballots. 1.00

00:33:08.000 I just, I mean, like, the amount of judicial tyranny in this country right now is so dramatic.

00:33:14.000 Oh, well, we got copied on an email.

00:33:17.000 This was a few months ago, to where the prosecutors were actually speaking to the judge, and they didn't realize we got copied on it.

00:33:24.000 Yeah.

00:33:25.000 Which cannot happen.

00:33:28.000 But you know, what's incredible is like, you guys have a big platform, and even if you expose it, like nothing happened.

00:33:34.000 Yeah.

00:33:34.000 And that was the crazy part was we had audio recordings of government officials talking about wiping their government devices clean of anything that had to do with the Christley case.

00:33:45.000 They accused us of terrorism just so they could run a FinCEN report.

00:33:51.000 And then once they ran the FECEN report to obtain all the financial information, they destroyed the case number that they created.

00:33:58.000 What was the terrorism?

00:34:00.000 I mean, you guys don't seem that's it.

00:34:03.000 Thank you.

00:34:04.000 That's exactly what the president said on our call.

00:34:06.000 He was like, you don't look like terrorists to me.

00:34:09.000 Goodness. 0.72

00:34:10.000 Yeah, it's absolutely insane.

00:34:12.000 So when the president got shot and we weren't sure if he was dead or not, did it go through your head that your parents might have to serve their entire sentence?

00:34:22.000 At first, I was on a road trip.

00:34:25.000 I was driving down the road and I listened to Fox News all the time.

00:34:27.000 Like my Sirius XM is like the highway or Fox News.

00:34:30.000 It doesn't change.

00:34:31.000 And so when that happened, I just went numb.

00:34:34.000 And I genuinely love the president for the encounters that I've had with him because it's been very human to human encounters.

00:34:42.000 But then, yeah, I think when the dust settled, I thought to myself, like, again, that's my only way out.

00:34:50.000 Like the president is literally the only way out to make sure that my parents come home, that my dad is there for my wedding, that my parents are there for my kids.

00:34:59.000 Like he was the only way.

00:35:01.000 If it would have went the other way, I wouldn't be sitting here today and my mom wouldn't be here.

00:35:06.000 So you have lots of upcoming projects.

00:35:08.000 In closing, what's your message going to be to our young women here at the Young Women's Leadership Summit?

00:35:12.000 Gosh, I think for me, what I've learned, especially over the past few weeks, is there is power in being a female.

00:35:22.000 And there is power in using your voice.

00:35:24.000 And you don't have to have an Ivy League education to do it.

00:35:28.000 You have to stand firm in your beliefs, no matter who fights against you.

00:35:32.000 I lost hundreds of thousands of dollars when I came out for the president.

00:35:36.000 Hundreds of thousands of dollars.

00:35:38.000 I didn't know how I was going to pay my bills at one point, but I knew that I could no longer sell my soul to the devil.

00:35:44.000 I just couldn't do it anymore.

00:35:46.000 And when I got my parents out of prison, it was a very telling moment in the media and with other women, unfortunately.

00:35:56.000 I had women coming at me insinuating that I slept for a pardon. 1.00

00:36:02.000 And to me, I was like.

00:36:04.000 With Trump?

00:36:06.000 With Trump or anyone else that I guess could supply it.

00:36:09.000 And I was like, you've got to be out of your mind to insinuate this.

00:36:13.000 But the sad part was it was coming from women. 0.97

00:36:16.000 It wasn't coming from men.

00:36:17.000 So we as women can either build each other up or we can tear each other down. 1.00

00:36:22.000 And I think that's my biggest message is there's never a mission too big or too small.

00:36:27.000 And we as women, there is power in numbers. 1.00

00:36:30.000 And there is no one makes greater change than a pissed off mom, daughter, friend.

00:36:37.000 Like no one.

00:36:39.000 Savannah, thank you so much.

00:36:40.000 Thank you.

00:36:40.000 God bless you.

00:36:41.000 I appreciate it.

00:36:42.000 Thank you.

00:36:43.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:36:44.000 Everybody, email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:46.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - July 11, 2025

Prison, Pardons, and Reality TV

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