00:00:00.000Today on the Charlie Kirk show, James O'Keefe, he rolled into our room here with a platoon of people, and we gave him a hard time.
00:00:10.000But more importantly, he's actually doing great work.
00:00:12.000Project Veritas, James O'Keeffe, and he has a whistleblower about the maker of toys for your children and how they are trying to make the toys to try to teach your children not to be little racists from Hasboro.
00:01:28.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:05:36.000I think there's a, again, journalism, you have this dichotomy between access and autonomy.
00:05:43.000In other words, you have this tension between burning your source and protecting your source.
00:05:50.000And Veritas, I think we strike that balance.
00:05:52.000In other words, these guys are literally risking their lives and their reputations, and they're being fired from their jobs for the public's right to know.
00:06:00.000I think journalism has become so bastardized.
00:06:04.000CNN is saying the opposite of what is reality.
00:06:07.000So in the 20th century, you had these muckraking newspaper reporters.
00:06:12.000I think the 1960s, 1970s, Chicago Sun-Times, you had people who would go undercover.
00:06:18.000They don't do that anymore because they don't want to shake the Apple card.
00:06:21.000Do you think it's because it's a corporate project?
00:06:23.000It's a really, we talked about this last time.
00:06:54.000That was Ivory Hecker in Houston, Texas.
00:06:57.000Ivory was doing a story on the Texas heat wave, and she went on the air a month ago and basically said, I'm being muzzled by my TV station.
00:07:06.000What was happening, Charlie, in Houston was Fox 26, local affiliate, was saying you cannot report on hydrochloroquine.
00:07:13.000You cannot talk about hydroxychloroquine.
00:07:15.000They also said that she can't report like a Bitcoin story because they said, well, you know, this is their words, not mine.
00:07:21.000They said, African Americans don't care about Bitcoin stories.
00:07:23.000So that was, again, journalism has become corrupted.
00:07:28.000And Ivory was so outraged that she decided to go on air in a very theatrical way and say, they're muzzling me.
00:08:42.000You're getting very involved in suing companies and you call this Retracto 2.
00:08:47.000Can you walk us through this entire thing?
00:08:49.000Well, Veritas has essentially become kind of a law firm because in order to tell the truth, and again, historically, journalists settled scores of lawsuits.
00:08:57.00060 Minutes settled dozens, if not hundreds of lawsuits.
00:09:00.000People don't remember that in the 1980s.
00:09:05.000But they don't have that appear on their Wikipedia page, Charlie.
00:09:08.000If you read my Wikipedia page, it literally makes people shriek because they're like, this is crazy.
00:09:14.000This guy, Dr. Hootage, he's a criminal.
00:09:16.000I personally settled one lawsuit in 2009 because I recorded someone without them knowing I was present in that conversation.
00:09:24.000I decided early on that in order to do what I have to do, I can't settle litigation.
00:09:29.000So we've taken lawsuits all the way to federal trials, jury trials, and we've won.
00:09:34.000We have not lost one lawsuit to Project Veritas.
00:09:36.000And we've sued, most recently on offense, the New York Times for defamation.
00:09:41.000And one of the handful of people to get past motion to dismiss, which means we get to put New York Times reporters in a room under oath on videotape and ask them all types of questions, which is required by law to answer.
00:09:52.000How long has it taken you to get that to that step?
00:09:54.000It's cost us $300,000 and it's taken us about six months.
00:10:00.000The complaint was a defamation lawsuit against the New York Times after reporter Maggie Astor reported that we had made a, quote, deceptive video that was disinformation.
00:11:39.000In the New York Times response to our defamation lawsuit, Charlie, they admitted the New York Times was forced to answer questions because we got past motion to dismiss.
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00:14:34.000Do you think that conservatives need to sue more?
00:14:37.000If they are being defamed, I think that libel law, I think it's very hard.
00:14:43.000And Neil Gorsuch did a great dissent on a recent case involving Times v. Sullivan, which I think is bad law.
00:14:49.000I think the actual malice standard of public figures is too high.
00:14:52.000I think it's impossible to be held liable for anything.
00:14:55.000And I think because Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg and Google prefer the New York Times and their algorithms, that gives them infinite power.
00:15:05.000In other words, the New York Times and CNN have as much power as Google, Facebook, and Twitter does.
00:15:10.000Because of that, I think that people need to start suing for defamation.
00:15:14.000We need a people's defamation defense fund in this country, and the lawyers need to understand, because I'm going to make a gross generalization.
00:19:37.000And the media reports that part, but what they don't report is the fact that it was gaveled on a rule 50-directed verdict in federal court.
00:19:43.000They selectively edit that out that Shirley Teeter sued me for defamation.
00:19:47.000So the moral of the story is you can't settle litigation.
00:19:50.000You have to take them all the way to the end, and that's what we do at Project.
00:19:58.000The only thing that I can hide, I have a First Amendment right to protect, you know, freedom of association rights for the donors to our nonprofit.
00:20:17.000Life is hard, and people work hard in all different types of professions.
00:20:20.000But this is sort of our cross to bear.
00:20:22.000And we, you know, we, our team, we try to get a team of people who believe so much in what they're doing that, you know, they do the right thing.
00:20:31.000So I want to get to David in a second, but I have a question unrelated to this.
00:20:34.000Can you explain the melodrama thing that you're like the music man or like Oklahoma and like the dancing?
00:20:41.000Can I explain the just explain the entire new like evolution?
00:22:59.000This is what Project Veritas is about.
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00:24:28.000So I decided to come to Project Veritas because I was asked to go.
00:24:34.000Well, I was kind of told to go to a critical race theory training at Hasbro.
00:24:39.000At first, I didn't think it was going to be anything too incriminating, but I just decided to record it just because I've been watching critical race theory and intersectionality just kind of spreading through our country and our institutions for years now.
00:25:09.000The training, it was just a video showing like children at different developmental stages and then stating at what developmental stage, how much racial bias they're exhibiting.
00:25:38.000I don't know how many times they've done it before this.
00:25:40.000I would say this was at least the second training.
00:25:43.000So just some understanding this, one of the largest toy manufacturers in the world is making their employees learn that the toys they're making might be made for a bunch of little racists or something.
00:25:55.000Yes, they want to use toys to kind of teach children about racial biases to, I guess, maybe kind of correct what they see as some kind of wrong.
00:26:05.000But it's just going to make more children discriminate based on race.
00:27:08.000So tell us what then motivated you to send it because there was that moment of struggle.
00:27:12.000So we have thousands of people listening to this that are in college right now that have footage that you have, but they haven't yet done anything with it.
00:27:25.000I think I just thought about what the consequences were.
00:27:28.000Like, if I didn't do anything, if I didn't send it, then it would continue to be pushed at Hasbro.
00:27:34.000And I don't know how many children they would be able to indoctrinate through that.
00:27:38.000But just there's too much critical race theory in our institutions already.
00:27:44.000I figured if I could do anything to just kind of push back against it, then it would be worth it.
00:27:49.000Well, and it's if thousands of other people, when they came across this stuff, exposed it, then there would be a movement against it.
00:27:59.000Now, what makes this work is now James is saying, I'm going to catch you when you fall because I'm guessing you're going to get a letter or an email or something.
00:29:38.000There are more important things than money.
00:29:41.000We get thousands of emails every day of people that say, Charlie, I might lose my job.
00:29:45.000I hope they all take this very seriously.
00:29:48.000And also, Veritas is a resource to be able to catch them when they fall.
00:29:54.000And you're right, there are more important things than money.
00:29:56.000And obviously, I mean, money's quite honestly not very important in regards to having a functioning society.
00:30:04.000I think most people, there are psychological studies which I don't have handy right now, but most people would rather, they're more afraid of losing what they have than gaining what they don't.
00:30:12.000So most people don't approach life in the way that David does, but I would think there's thousands of people who do approach life.
00:30:20.000Yeah, so it's actually, I have this written.
00:30:22.000I was actually looking for it during our conversation.
00:30:29.000It's yeah, loss aversion, which is, and this really explains the billionaire class in America really well, is that someone who has a billion dollars will do almost anything to make sure you don't lose that ability, that billion dollars, right?
00:30:41.000So someone is much more, we are as human beings, and some would make an evolutionary argument for this.
00:30:48.000I'm not going to get into that right now, that we're much more afraid of losing what we already have than trying to risk something to gain, right?
00:30:55.000And so because of that, almost our entire society and human action is hardwired against preserving what you already have.
00:31:04.000That includes jobs, social status, friendships, networking opportunities, Instagram followers, Twitter accounts, employment, college acceptance, scholarships.
00:31:13.000And so we're willing to do things that even compromise our own values to then try to protect what we already have.
00:31:21.000And then there's a second psychological study that shows this, which Veritas is pushing back against, which is called the Ash Conformity Test, which is when they brought five people into a room and four of them were in on it and one person was the test subject.
00:31:34.000And the four people who are in on it all agreed based on the trial to, when asked, pick the shortest line and say the shortest line was actually the longest line.
00:31:44.000So they'd all go into the room, all five of them, four people being in on it together, one person being tested, and they'd go down the line.
00:31:53.000And they'd all say together the one that was intentionally wrong.
00:31:56.000And 75% of the time, the last person who answered would agree with what their line would disagree with what their eyes said, but would agree with the first four answers ahead of them.
00:32:28.000I think that if everyone who opposed critical theory, critical race, critical gender theory just came out at once and said, enough, we'd probably be done with this tomorrow.
00:32:36.000But it's scary because the institutions just have so much power.
00:33:00.000I come from pretty, I think, standard background.
00:33:03.000Like I went to college at RAT, so I've had some pretty, I guess, prestigious jobs, like jobs I paid well, but I've also worked in factories and cleaning floors.
00:33:19.000So I've met a lot of people and just I'm not really concerned with social status all that much.
00:33:24.000I've never really thought about it too much.
00:33:26.000It's weird to be in this kind of position, but that's exactly why you're perfect for it.
00:33:57.000So it was first called intersectionality.
00:34:00.000And when all of a sudden did you all of a sudden say this is not good for our society?
00:34:05.000Around the time where I noticed colleges had like segregation, they were starting to do segregated graduations, and they were just calling them like people of color only.
00:34:14.000And I'm just like, that looks like you're saying colored people.
00:34:39.000So it was just kind of like a slap in the face because it's one thing to just watch YouTube videos of like people talking about CRT or intersectionality.
00:34:48.000It's a whole other thing when you're called into a meeting and they're telling you, hey, so this is what we're going to be doing from now on.
00:35:23.000They're this kind of like consulting kind of world transformation group that's basically going around trying to teach people how racist your children are.
00:35:44.000And by the way, James, this is a great thing for you to expose in the coming months and years, that there's this kind of like offensive coordinator equivalent.
00:35:51.000There's a football analogy of these consulting companies that are kind of choreographing all of this stuff.
00:35:57.000And they're seed-funded by the big tech companies and they go into all these corporations.
00:36:02.000And that's why you find unified messaging at every single one of these companies because these people come in with these playbooks and they implement it.
00:38:06.000They probably are just, they stop their car in their driveway and they have a pit in their stomach because they work for Goldman Sachs and they know they could be that next whistleblower.
00:38:14.000I think you have to make a decision about whether you, when people say pursuit of happiness, which is what was written in the Declaration of Independence, I think there's also the pursuit of meaning.
00:38:23.000And courage is the virtue that sustains all other things, all other virtues, right?
00:39:24.000And it's more, this new wrinkle you have at Veritas is amazing where it's not just the undercover thing, but now it's the whistleblower thing.
00:39:49.000They fear him more than he fears them.
00:39:52.000So many people, and I hope you know this, David, members of the ruling class have had to see their doctors recently because James O'Keefe keeps them up at night.
00:40:00.000James O'Keeffe, God bless you, be brave and do something.