The Charlie Kirk Show - Project Veritas Whistleblower EXPOSES Critical Race Theory in a Children's' Toy Manufacturer—LIVE with James O' Keefe

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00:00:12.000 Project Veritas, James O'Keeffe, and he has a whistleblower about the maker of toys for your children and how they are trying to make the toys to try to teach your children not to be little racists from Hasboro.

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00:02:09.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here with The Salt in the Brunei, otherwise known as James O'Keefe.

00:02:12.000 You brought a couple people in the room with you.

00:02:14.000 Yes.

00:02:14.000 See, I can give you a hard time, James, because we've known each other a couple years.

00:02:17.000 You do give me a hard time.

00:02:18.000 But you are one of the few people that actually do something meaningful in the movement.

00:02:22.000 I appreciate that.

00:02:23.000 So you are now on a whistleblower project.

00:02:25.000 Tell us about that.

00:02:26.000 Whistleblowers are in the room right now.

00:02:28.000 You can't see them, but USPS whistleblower, we had two TV insiders.

00:02:33.000 One came on your stage, April Moss, CBS Detroit.

00:02:36.000 These are people currently employed by television news networks, postal service.

00:02:41.000 A new one came out today, Hasbro.

00:02:43.000 Big story, critical race theory.

00:02:45.000 They feel compelled to go public with information that people are trying to keep hidden.

00:02:49.000 And it's the heroism because they're going to lose their jobs now, Charlie.

00:02:53.000 So we have a dozen that have come out, and it's going to be hundreds.

00:02:57.000 So we're going to hear from Dave in a couple seconds here, but I want to just get into this idea of whistleblowing.

00:03:01.000 This used to be something the media was actually interested in.

00:03:04.000 Right.

00:03:05.000 And you just are kind of filling the void of courageous expose style journalism.

00:03:10.000 Well, I think there's a relationship.

00:03:12.000 The journalists have become slave to their access.

00:03:15.000 They've become dependent on protecting the people in power.

00:03:19.000 They want to protect the status quo.

00:03:21.000 CNN invites Clapper on, even though he committed perjury.

00:03:25.000 They have a symbiotic relationship with the very people they're supposed to be holding accountable.

00:03:29.000 So no one is willing to do this sort of aggressive watchdog journalism anymore.

00:03:32.000 In the 20th century, these whistleblowers lost their mortgages, their homes, they got divorces.

00:03:36.000 But now there's life after whistleblowing because of the digital age and websites like Give, Send, Go.

00:03:42.000 Facebook insider Morgan Common last month raised half a million dollars, Charlie, in 24 hours.

00:03:49.000 What did he expose?

00:03:50.000 He released documents inside Facebook as a software engineer. 0.56

00:03:54.000 They had, quote, vaccine hesitancy.

00:03:57.000 So Facebook admitted.

00:03:59.000 Even if what someone is saying on Facebook is true, they will censor you and they don't want you to know that they're censoring you.

00:04:07.000 And to me, that's the part that's so shocking.

00:04:09.000 They want to hide what they're doing.

00:04:11.000 We want transparency into big tech.

00:04:14.000 So the whistleblowers are coming out in spades, Charlie.

00:04:17.000 So you got onto this years ago.

00:04:20.000 First, of course, Andrew Breitbart, Hannah Giles story, and it's an amazing, it's an amazing story.

00:04:25.000 Your book is called two books.

00:04:27.000 One's called Breakthrough.

00:04:28.000 That was the coming of age of me getting arrested and facing the retaliation and enduring that.

00:04:34.000 The second one's called American Pravda, which is about the 2016 election and exposing bird-dogging at rallies.

00:04:41.000 And there's a new one, Charlie, we're just announcing this weekend called American Muckraker.

00:04:45.000 This is a very ambitious book.

00:04:48.000 It's coming out in January, but I just announced it today.

00:04:51.000 And this one's really about.

00:04:52.000 Can people pre-order it?

00:04:53.000 Yeah, as of today.

00:04:54.000 Yes.

00:04:55.000 It's on Amazon.

00:04:56.000 Go buy a message.

00:04:56.000 The book is called American Muckraker, Rethinking Journalism for the 21st Century.

00:05:02.000 And this book is really an ambitious book.

00:05:04.000 I read 100 books about journalism in the 20th century.

00:05:07.000 And what I've realized is that there's sort of life after whistleblowing now.

00:05:12.000 There's a different era, but we have to reinvent or recreate the era of Upton Sinclair and Ida Tarbell and Ida B. Wells.

00:05:20.000 Lincoln Stevens, all of these folks.

00:05:23.000 So Ida B. Wells and others, I was actually going to ask you about this.

00:05:26.000 What's the common theme of the great pieces of journalism that expose the Teapot Dome scandal?

00:05:32.000 It's not exposed the Chicago stockyards.

00:05:35.000 It's not black or white.

00:05:36.000 I think there's a, again, journalism, you have this dichotomy between access and autonomy.

00:05:43.000 In other words, you have this tension between burning your source and protecting your source.

00:05:50.000 And Veritas, I think we strike that balance.

00:05:52.000 In other words, these guys are literally risking their lives and their reputations, and they're being fired from their jobs for the public's right to know.

00:06:00.000 I think journalism has become so bastardized.

00:06:04.000 CNN is saying the opposite of what is reality.

00:06:07.000 So in the 20th century, you had these muckraking newspaper reporters.

00:06:12.000 I think the 1960s, 1970s, Chicago Sun-Times, you had people who would go undercover.

00:06:18.000 They don't do that anymore because they don't want to shake the Apple card.

00:06:21.000 Do you think it's because it's a corporate project?

00:06:23.000 It's a really, we talked about this last time.

00:06:25.000 It's not just politics.

00:06:26.000 It's fear.

00:06:28.000 It's the consolidation of media and newspapers.

00:06:30.000 It's tech companies preferring in their algorithms, the New York Times and CNN.

00:06:34.000 It's the bifurcation of the American economy.

00:06:38.000 It's a lot of things.

00:06:40.000 But now what I've realized is that the journalism depends upon citizens.

00:06:44.000 It depends upon the people that we brought on stage today.

00:06:46.000 It depends upon all of you guys do the work.

00:06:49.000 And so recently you had a couple, another whistleblower with a local Fox station.

00:06:53.000 Tell us about that one.

00:06:54.000 That was Ivory Hecker in Houston, Texas.

00:06:57.000 Ivory was doing a story on the Texas heat wave, and she went on the air a month ago and basically said, I'm being muzzled by my TV station.

00:07:06.000 What was happening, Charlie, in Houston was Fox 26, local affiliate, was saying you cannot report on hydrochloroquine.

00:07:13.000 You cannot talk about hydroxychloroquine.

00:07:15.000 They also said that she can't report like a Bitcoin story because they said, well, you know, this is their words, not mine. 0.72

00:07:21.000 They said, African Americans don't care about Bitcoin stories.

00:07:23.000 So that was, again, journalism has become corrupted.

00:07:28.000 And Ivory was so outraged that she decided to go on air in a very theatrical way and say, they're muzzling me.

00:07:36.000 And they fired her.

00:07:37.000 And as a result of what Ivory did, it inspired another whistleblower, April Moss, to come forward from CBS Detroit.

00:07:43.000 And they're getting top-down orders not to pursue certain stories.

00:07:47.000 Right.

00:07:47.000 So they said, we don't care about our audience, about what our CEO cares about.

00:07:50.000 So they were saying out loud what we all know to be true.

00:07:55.000 And I think journalism, it is a, you know, you run a foundation, I run a foundation, we're a non-for-profit.

00:08:01.000 And I do think that the commercial imperative interferes with truth-telling.

00:08:07.000 Because there is no, I wrote in this book, American Mockbreaker, which you all should, I don't, I know I'm going to do a shameless plug.

00:08:14.000 This is a book that I don't get any of the money.

00:08:15.000 It all goes to Project Veritas.

00:08:17.000 I say in American Mockraker, you almost have to be a masochist to expose the truth.

00:08:22.000 You have to jump on grenades.

00:08:24.000 You have to face indictments and arrests and false accusations.

00:08:28.000 You have to endure suffering if you want to be a truth teller.

00:08:32.000 And that's what these people do.

00:08:34.000 And it's our job to have their back.

00:08:37.000 So let's talk about another project you have, which is your lawfare project.

00:08:41.000 Right.

00:08:42.000 You're getting very involved in suing companies and you call this Retracto 2.

00:08:47.000 Can you walk us through this entire thing?

00:08:49.000 Well, Veritas has essentially become kind of a law firm because in order to tell the truth, and again, historically, journalists settled scores of lawsuits.

00:08:57.000 60 Minutes settled dozens, if not hundreds of lawsuits.

00:09:00.000 People don't remember that in the 1980s.

00:09:02.000 CNN settles lawsuits all the time.

00:09:05.000 But they don't have that appear on their Wikipedia page, Charlie.

00:09:08.000 If you read my Wikipedia page, it literally makes people shriek because they're like, this is crazy.

00:09:14.000 This guy, Dr. Hootage, he's a criminal.

00:09:16.000 I personally settled one lawsuit in 2009 because I recorded someone without them knowing I was present in that conversation.

00:09:24.000 I decided early on that in order to do what I have to do, I can't settle litigation.

00:09:29.000 So we've taken lawsuits all the way to federal trials, jury trials, and we've won.

00:09:34.000 We have not lost one lawsuit to Project Veritas.

00:09:36.000 And we've sued, most recently on offense, the New York Times for defamation.

00:09:41.000 And one of the handful of people to get past motion to dismiss, which means we get to put New York Times reporters in a room under oath on videotape and ask them all types of questions, which is required by law to answer.

00:09:52.000 How long has it taken you to get that to that step?

00:09:54.000 It's cost us $300,000 and it's taken us about six months.

00:09:58.000 Six months.

00:09:58.000 What was the complaint?

00:10:00.000 The complaint was a defamation lawsuit against the New York Times after reporter Maggie Astor reported that we had made a, quote, deceptive video that was disinformation.

00:10:10.000 And the video showed a Somali guy.

00:10:13.000 Remember this one from September. 1.00

00:10:14.000 Oh, yeah, the ballot harvesting.

00:10:16.000 He's like, I have bad it's, I have lots of bad it's.

00:10:18.000 And he says, one of the guys say, I don't care that it's illegal.

00:10:22.000 They were already bragging on video.

00:10:24.000 And the New York Times comes out and says, well, there's a disinformation campaign.

00:10:27.000 So what you begin to realize is that what they do is they project onto us what they are.

00:10:32.000 So they're doing disinformation.

00:10:34.000 They're collaborating with Stanford Institute of God, some professor in some room who just writes some opinion.

00:10:41.000 They cite the opinion as facts.

00:10:43.000 And it's not most journalists don't actually materially lie.

00:10:47.000 These hyperbole and circumstantial evidence and hearsay, and they circularly source the quotes.

00:10:51.000 And before you know it, you have this vortex of propaganda.

00:10:53.000 So we said, enough is enough.

00:10:55.000 We are suing the New York Times.

00:10:56.000 I'm suing CNN.

00:10:58.000 I'm suing Twitter.

00:10:59.000 I will depose you under oath if it costs me $10 million.

00:11:01.000 I don't care.

00:11:02.000 So help me God, I'll raise the money.

00:11:04.000 So far, we've raised the money.

00:11:06.000 We got past motion to dismiss.

00:11:07.000 Yeah, so that's the key, though, right?

00:11:09.000 Because a judge sometimes throws this stuff out.

00:11:12.000 And that would be the greatest travesty of injustice known to man.

00:11:16.000 And it happens, Charlie, because most lawyers are risk-averse cowards, and they don't want their clients to talk about what's going on.

00:11:23.000 I don't get it.

00:11:25.000 I've told my lawyers, we are going to be public about the process.

00:11:30.000 If any judge is so utterly irrational that they make a mockery of the rule of law, we will merely quote the order.

00:11:37.000 We quote the transcripts.

00:11:39.000 In the New York Times response to our defamation lawsuit, Charlie, they admitted the New York Times was forced to answer questions because we got past motion to dismiss.

00:11:48.000 The New York Times admitted in court.

00:11:51.000 They didn't even call anyone for comment.

00:11:53.000 They admitted in court they got the facts wrong in the article.

00:11:57.000 And Liban Muhammad, they said they did break the law.

00:11:59.000 But they reported in the article that he didn't.

00:12:02.000 So the New York Times has admitted in court something, and they still haven't corrected the article.

00:12:07.000 So we're making a mockery of them by virtue of what they've done.

00:12:11.000 Most clients don't do that because the lawyers say, don't say a word.

00:12:15.000 Don't say a word.

00:12:15.000 Don't talk about your case.

00:12:16.000 Are you planning to settle?

00:12:18.000 If the New York Times offered me $100 million, I'd tell them to go F themselves.

00:12:21.000 $100 million.

00:12:22.000 You got no price.

00:12:24.000 What's the market cap, the New York Times?

00:12:26.000 Probably $4 billion.

00:12:27.000 Okay, that's my price.

00:12:28.000 Okay.

00:12:28.000 Is it $4.8?

00:12:29.000 Am I right, Matthew?

00:12:30.000 I know my lowest.

00:12:32.000 What's the current market cap of the New York Times?

00:12:34.000 I will bet you it's a seven.

00:12:37.000 I know my marketing.

00:12:38.000 I know my small cap publicly traded NASDAQ stocks that no one makes.

00:12:41.000 I don't know about that.

00:12:43.000 But if the New York Times has to offer me one penny about their current market cap, that might be my...

00:12:49.000 Certificates of ownership is your full liquidation of James O'Keeffe Enterprises. 0.97

00:12:52.000 What they need to do is they need to correct the damn article. 0.97

00:12:56.000 Listen, this is an Orwellian thing. 0.98

00:12:58.000 You know, two plus two equals four.

00:12:59.000 They've admitted, this is very important.

00:13:01.000 I know we're in the weeds here.

00:13:01.000 I'm going to get in the weeds.

00:13:03.000 It's important that you understand the nuances.

00:13:05.000 The New York Times admitted in the Supreme Court of the state of New York that they got the facts wrong.

00:13:12.000 It's signed by the New York Times lawyers, but they still haven't corrected the article.

00:13:17.000 If that isn't defamation, what is?

00:13:19.000 If that is an actual malice, meaning they know they're lying, then what is?

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00:14:34.000 Do you think that conservatives need to sue more?

00:14:37.000 If they are being defamed, I think that libel law, I think it's very hard.

00:14:43.000 And Neil Gorsuch did a great dissent on a recent case involving Times v. Sullivan, which I think is bad law.

00:14:48.000 It's awful law.

00:14:49.000 I think the actual malice standard of public figures is too high.

00:14:52.000 I think it's impossible to be held liable for anything.

00:14:55.000 And I think because Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg and Google prefer the New York Times and their algorithms, that gives them infinite power.

00:15:05.000 In other words, the New York Times and CNN have as much power as Google, Facebook, and Twitter does.

00:15:10.000 Because of that, I think that people need to start suing for defamation.

00:15:14.000 We need a people's defamation defense fund in this country, and the lawyers need to understand, because I'm going to make a gross generalization.

00:15:21.000 It's true.

00:15:21.000 Most lawyers are cowards, and the litigation business is a racket, and they want money, and they charge $1,000 an hour.

00:15:29.000 It's disgusting. 0.97

00:15:31.000 But we need clients who have good fact patterns to sue if they're defamed by the New York Times.

00:15:36.000 And I got to lead the charge.

00:15:37.000 I'm happy to do it.

00:15:38.000 What lawyers are you using then to kind of pioneer ahead?

00:15:41.000 Well, I'm using Hermit Dylan and Ron Coleman, who's awesome.

00:15:46.000 But they're an amazing.

00:15:47.000 They're going to be at risk of being disparate.

00:15:49.000 That's why they're so courageous.

00:15:51.000 And people say, I'm at risk for being disbarred.

00:15:54.000 Meanwhile, if you like the ambulance chasers, they never get disparaged.

00:15:56.000 They never get disbarred.

00:15:58.000 That's what I write about in American Mock Raker.

00:16:01.000 There's a perverse incentive to do the wrong thing because you'll be rewarded in society.

00:16:09.000 If you don't tell the truth, if you do tell the truth, you'll be punished.

00:16:12.000 So there's a perverse incentive.

00:16:14.000 But what we got to find, Charlie, is the lawyers who are brave.

00:16:17.000 We're working with a great firm right now with the New York Times case.

00:16:21.000 What's the name of it, Nancy?

00:16:23.000 The name of it.

00:16:24.000 Claire Locke.

00:16:26.000 And they've successfully gotten a spast motion to dismiss.

00:16:31.000 And we're making videos about these lawsuits.

00:16:33.000 We're going through the videos and we're showing people the motions and we're showing people.

00:16:37.000 You know that they cited Wikipedia in a legal motion?

00:16:40.000 The New York Times.

00:16:41.000 Who's representing him?

00:16:42.000 Perkins Coy?

00:16:43.000 Yes.

00:16:43.000 Huh?

00:16:44.000 Yes.

00:16:44.000 I think so.

00:16:45.000 I'm going to.

00:16:46.000 How about Kirkland Ellis?

00:16:47.000 Well, they have a general counsel, cited Wikipedia, and they say, well, O'Keefe is libel proof.

00:16:52.000 Yeah, they're going to farm out the other side.

00:16:53.000 Who cares?

00:16:54.000 They say, O'Keefe is libel proof.

00:16:56.000 Libel proof.

00:16:57.000 Because Wikipedia says mean things about him.

00:17:00.000 And they thought that I wouldn't publish this, but I did.

00:17:03.000 They weren't expecting that, Charlie.

00:17:05.000 So you have risk-averse lawyers that are willing to push through this stuff.

00:17:10.000 What districts are you suing in?

00:17:11.000 We're suing New York Times in state court.

00:17:13.000 In New York.

00:17:15.000 And you're having judges that are allowing this stuff to proceed.

00:17:17.000 Well, again, yes, but we've won seven lawsuits in a row.

00:17:22.000 And people say, well, that must be because you have good judges.

00:17:24.000 No, it's because we're on the right side of the facts and the law.

00:17:28.000 And in North Carolina, we had a federal judge rule on a directed verdict, which means the jury came out.

00:17:34.000 I mean, this is something out of a movie.

00:17:36.000 And the federal judge gaveled the case and said, this is absurd.

00:17:39.000 And I'm going to paraphrase the federal judge because cameras were not allowed in courtrooms.

00:17:42.000 He said, he looked over at the plaintiff who was suing me.

00:17:44.000 He said, if Mike Wallace at 60 Minutes were sued for this, people would laugh.

00:17:49.000 Their whole argument rests on the case that I'm not a journalist.

00:17:53.000 But you can go back to your philosophy class.

00:17:57.000 I mean, you are what you do.

00:18:00.000 You're defined by your actions.

00:18:02.000 They rely upon their own credibility by virtue of their own decree that they're credible.

00:18:06.000 Yes.

00:18:07.000 They rely on the fact that, well, I'm the Washington Post.

00:18:09.000 You should believe me, but the facts show that you're wrong.

00:18:10.000 It doesn't matter.

00:18:11.000 I'm the Washington Post.

00:18:12.000 So every argument they make in court is fallacious.

00:18:16.000 Every argument they make in court is anathema to logic.

00:18:19.000 They say, well, but he's O'Keefe.

00:18:21.000 He's a criminal.

00:18:22.000 And the judge says, but what has he done?

00:18:23.000 Well, doctor's videos.

00:18:25.000 Can you give me a specific example of a video he's doctored?

00:18:27.000 When you actually put them under oath, they can't answer that question.

00:18:30.000 Federal judge gavels the case, looks at the plaintiff, and says, If you sued Mike Wallace for what you're suing.

00:18:36.000 Mike Wallace is dead.

00:18:37.000 He was a 60-minute person.

00:18:39.000 Who was the original gotcha?

00:18:40.000 The original undercover.

00:18:41.000 He said, if you sued Mike Wallace for what you're suing James O'Keefe for, people in this courtroom would laugh.

00:18:47.000 Case dismissed.

00:18:48.000 It cost us $2 million to take them all the way to a jury verdict, but we did.

00:18:54.000 The New York Times?

00:18:55.000 This is the Chirley Teeter case.

00:18:57.000 Bob Creamer, your friend in Chicago.

00:18:59.000 Yeah, my friend.

00:19:00.000 I'm just kidding.

00:19:00.000 I'm a friend with thug union organizers.

00:19:02.000 I'm being specialized.

00:19:04.000 These are my friends.

00:19:04.000 But he's in your backyard.

00:19:06.000 You're from Chicago.

00:19:07.000 Proximity is friendship.

00:19:09.000 I'm kidding.

00:19:09.000 I could give it to you.

00:19:10.000 Give it to me.

00:19:11.000 So, Chicago, he's married to Jan Schaukowski.

00:19:15.000 He sues us for reporting what his colleagues said.

00:19:19.000 I remember this was a great video.

00:19:21.000 This is one of your favorites.

00:19:22.000 I know I mention it all the time.

00:19:23.000 It was cited by Trump in Hillary.

00:19:26.000 In the debate, yeah. 0.70

00:19:26.000 Bob Creamer on tape saying it was Hillary's idea to have these costumes and bird dogging and whatnot. 0.70

00:19:34.000 And you know what? 0.99

00:19:35.000 He sues me for defamation.

00:19:37.000 And the media reports that part, but what they don't report is the fact that it was gaveled on a rule 50-directed verdict in federal court.

00:19:43.000 They selectively edit that out that Shirley Teeter sued me for defamation.

00:19:47.000 So the moral of the story is you can't settle litigation.

00:19:50.000 You have to take them all the way to the end, and that's what we do at Project.

00:19:53.000 Isn't it exhausting?

00:19:54.000 I mean, you're open to discovery then on the other side.

00:19:56.000 Sure, I got nothing to hide.

00:19:57.000 They do.

00:19:58.000 The only thing that I can hide, I have a First Amendment right to protect, you know, freedom of association rights for the donors to our nonprofit.

00:20:04.000 I can protect them.

00:20:08.000 I can protect sources, but everything else, I got to be an open book.

00:20:12.000 And that's the difference.

00:20:13.000 But isn't it exhausting to have to open up everything?

00:20:15.000 I mean, everything's exhausting.

00:20:17.000 Life is hard, and people work hard in all different types of professions.

00:20:20.000 But this is sort of our cross to bear.

00:20:22.000 And we, you know, we, our team, we try to get a team of people who believe so much in what they're doing that, you know, they do the right thing.

00:20:31.000 So I want to get to David in a second, but I have a question unrelated to this.

00:20:34.000 Can you explain the melodrama thing that you're like the music man or like Oklahoma and like the dancing?

00:20:41.000 Can I explain the just explain the entire new like evolution?

00:20:45.000 Like James O'Keefe 2.0.

00:20:46.000 I've always been musical.

00:20:47.000 I was no, just like the whole thing.

00:20:49.000 Like you wear bulletproof vests and you dye your hair and, you know, like the Gary Indiana thing or whatever you're doing.

00:20:56.000 You want me to explain the fact that I'm like 76 trombones come marching in, whatever the whole thing you're doing is, right?

00:21:01.000 Well, you know, I think that politics is downstream from culture, and I think I'm probably not motivated by politics.

00:21:08.000 I think I'm more of an artistic person.

00:21:10.000 And I think, you know, Cinema Verite, which is Project Veritas, we show the truth in 24 frames per second.

00:21:16.000 And essentially, you know, we believe in, you know, we put music in our videos.

00:21:19.000 We made a music video about Jack Dorsey and CNN.

00:21:23.000 It was very funny.

00:21:24.000 And I'm glad you liked it.

00:21:25.000 I know that you did.

00:21:26.000 And we have dancers that come on stage here, and we do a whole production.

00:21:31.000 We produce our videos.

00:21:32.000 And I've always been a theatrical person.

00:21:36.000 I think I'm more motivated by the artistic exposing the truth aspects than politics.

00:21:41.000 And I think that's just who I am.

00:21:43.000 And I've always been that way.

00:21:44.000 I did the Acorn story.

00:21:46.000 I put a pimp costume on in the bumper, and everyone gave me grief about it. 0.99

00:21:49.000 Hannah wore the prostitution get up in the office. 1.00

00:21:52.000 We both throw out the fur into the office. 0.56

00:21:54.000 But, you know, Andrew taught me early on that, you know, it's a cultural fight.

00:21:58.000 Yes.

00:21:59.000 And I think more people need to dye their hair and make music videos.

00:22:05.000 Yeah, we're going to pass on that for now.

00:22:08.000 But that was a dig, Charlie.

00:22:10.000 Yeah, I could tell.

00:22:12.000 So, no, I have a lot of people ask about it.

00:22:14.000 I actually kind of like it.

00:22:15.000 The way I look at it is you're just kind of owning this entire fighting the world.

00:22:20.000 I might as well have fun while I'm with you.

00:22:22.000 We don't like to.

00:22:22.000 I mean, like, that's kind of how I view it.

00:22:23.000 We don't like to pretend.

00:22:24.000 I don't like to pretend.

00:22:26.000 A lot of people in politics pretend I'm not a pretender.

00:22:28.000 I like to be who I am.

00:22:29.000 And I think the people that come to us appreciate that.

00:22:33.000 And I can't pretend.

00:22:36.000 So that's who I am.

00:22:37.000 This is what I do.

00:22:39.000 And so much of exposing the reality of the world is to sometimes ridicule the world, to effectively ridicule them.

00:22:46.000 It's impossible to counteract ridicule.

00:22:48.000 They do it all the time.

00:22:49.000 They make movies.

00:22:50.000 They make art.

00:22:52.000 And I think we're fighting the powers that be.

00:22:55.000 We're fighting the establishment.

00:22:57.000 And this is what we do.

00:22:59.000 This is what Project Veritas is about.

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00:24:06.000 David, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:24:08.000 You are one of the new whistleblowers here for Project Veritas, and you work for a toy design and manufacturing company.

00:24:14.000 Is that a good way to describe it?

00:24:16.000 Yeah, I work for Hasbro right now.

00:24:17.000 Hasbro.

00:24:18.000 And you at our event uncovered that there's critical race theory training or something around that.

00:24:26.000 Floor is yours.

00:24:27.000 Tell us about it.

00:24:28.000 Sure.

00:24:28.000 So I decided to come to Project Veritas because I was asked to go.

00:24:34.000 Well, I was kind of told to go to a critical race theory training at Hasbro.

00:24:39.000 At first, I didn't think it was going to be anything too incriminating, but I just decided to record it just because I've been watching critical race theory and intersectionality just kind of spreading through our country and our institutions for years now.

00:24:53.000 So I'm like, I'll record it.

00:24:54.000 And then it actually started and then my jaw hit the floor.

00:24:57.000 So I was like, I need to send this to people.

00:25:00.000 They need to know what's happening.

00:25:01.000 Okay, so what is your role with Hasbro?

00:25:04.000 I'm packaging engineer.

00:25:06.000 Packaging engineer.

00:25:07.000 What was involved in the training?

00:25:09.000 The training, it was just a video showing like children at different developmental stages and then stating at what developmental stage, how much racial bias they're exhibiting.

00:25:22.000 So how young did they get?

00:25:24.000 Did they say three-year-olds even?

00:25:26.000 Five-year-olds?

00:25:27.000 I think the earliest was six months?

00:25:32.000 Six months.

00:25:33.000 So is this training mandatory at Hasbro?

00:25:37.000 It was mandatory for me.

00:25:38.000 I don't know how many times they've done it before this.

00:25:40.000 I would say this was at least the second training.

00:25:43.000 So just some understanding this, one of the largest toy manufacturers in the world is making their employees learn that the toys they're making might be made for a bunch of little racists or something.

00:25:55.000 Yes, they want to use toys to kind of teach children about racial biases to, I guess, maybe kind of correct what they see as some kind of wrong.

00:26:05.000 But it's just going to make more children discriminate based on race.

00:26:09.000 Did they say that part out loud?

00:26:11.000 Did they say that now we have to fix this in the toy manufacturing business?

00:26:16.000 They said something along the lines of they have a responsibility because they have such wide access to children.

00:26:23.000 Oh, really?

00:26:24.000 So that's pretty creepy, honestly.

00:26:29.000 Did I just say that?

00:26:29.000 Like, it's really kind of perverted.

00:26:33.000 So you're a shipping engineer and you saw this and you were inspired then to do something about it.

00:26:41.000 Walk us through that.

00:26:42.000 Was there a moment where you were wrestling with...

00:26:45.000 Man, I don't know if I got it in me to do this.

00:26:48.000 Well, I was already recording it, but before I sent it off to Veritas, I kind of hesitated.

00:26:52.000 I'm like, if I send this, I don't know what's going to happen from here.

00:26:56.000 I can't predict anything that's going to come forward.

00:26:59.000 But I figured it was important enough that no matter what happened to me, that people needed to know about it to protect their children.

00:27:05.000 Well, you did the courageous thing.

00:27:06.000 Thank you.

00:27:06.000 And the right thing.

00:27:08.000 So tell us what then motivated you to send it because there was that moment of struggle.

00:27:12.000 So we have thousands of people listening to this that are in college right now that have footage that you have, but they haven't yet done anything with it.

00:27:21.000 What motivated you to then send that?

00:27:25.000 I think I just thought about what the consequences were.

00:27:28.000 Like, if I didn't do anything, if I didn't send it, then it would continue to be pushed at Hasbro.

00:27:34.000 And I don't know how many children they would be able to indoctrinate through that.

00:27:38.000 But just there's too much critical race theory in our institutions already.

00:27:44.000 I figured if I could do anything to just kind of push back against it, then it would be worth it.

00:27:49.000 Well, and it's if thousands of other people, when they came across this stuff, exposed it, then there would be a movement against it.

00:27:59.000 Now, what makes this work is now James is saying, I'm going to catch you when you fall because I'm guessing you're going to get a letter or an email or something.

00:28:09.000 I could be wrong.

00:28:10.000 Well, they have to go through me to get to him.

00:28:12.000 And that's what we do.

00:28:14.000 We were able to do that.

00:28:14.000 So, walk us through that, James.

00:28:16.000 It's exactly what I mean.

00:28:18.000 In order for them to do anything to him, they have to go through Project Veritas.

00:28:21.000 What do you mean?

00:28:22.000 Lawsuit-wise?

00:28:24.000 You name it.

00:28:25.000 Getting sued, I'll pay his legal bills.

00:28:27.000 I don't think they want to sue.

00:28:29.000 They haven't sued any of the whistleblowers thus far because they wouldn't want to bring attention.

00:28:33.000 They're bringing publicity to what he's effectively documenting.

00:28:37.000 So they haven't done that.

00:28:39.000 So it's kind of jiu-jitsu, David versus Goliath Jiu-Jitsu.

00:28:43.000 And I said on stage here at Turning Point, you know, David, literally David, David is his name, versus Goliath.

00:28:49.000 David is getting new strength.

00:28:51.000 And Goliath, which is his organization that he works for, is being attacked on all sides.

00:28:55.000 And what's remarkable, Charlie, is that after David did what he did, over the weekend, we reached out for comment to Hasbro.

00:29:02.000 And when we reached out for comment, our comms team sent them an email.

00:29:05.000 Someone privately reached out to our proton male and said, hey, I work on the comms team.

00:29:10.000 I love what he's doing.

00:29:11.000 Wow.

00:29:12.000 We have that person's name, and we're meeting with that person, you know, now.

00:29:17.000 So it's just this thing that happens.

00:29:21.000 It metastasizes.

00:29:22.000 And the thing that's most remarkable about David is his courage.

00:29:26.000 The courage to do the right thing, not knowing if you're going to land with a safety net.

00:29:30.000 And it's kind of become this movement.

00:29:32.000 So, David, you could lose your job.

00:29:34.000 Probably, well.

00:29:36.000 How are you okay with that?

00:29:38.000 There are more important things than money.

00:29:41.000 We get thousands of emails every day of people that say, Charlie, I might lose my job.

00:29:45.000 I hope they all take this very seriously.

00:29:48.000 And also, Veritas is a resource to be able to catch them when they fall.

00:29:54.000 And you're right, there are more important things than money.

00:29:56.000 And obviously, I mean, money's quite honestly not very important in regards to having a functioning society.

00:30:04.000 I think most people, there are psychological studies which I don't have handy right now, but most people would rather, they're more afraid of losing what they have than gaining what they don't.

00:30:12.000 So most people don't approach life in the way that David does, but I would think there's thousands of people who do approach life.

00:30:20.000 Yeah, so it's actually, I have this written.

00:30:22.000 I was actually looking for it during our conversation.

00:30:23.000 It's Brett Weinstein.

00:30:24.000 It's called Loss Aversion.

00:30:26.000 Loss aversion.

00:30:26.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:30:27.000 I don't even remember what it was.

00:30:29.000 It's yeah, loss aversion, which is, and this really explains the billionaire class in America really well, is that someone who has a billion dollars will do almost anything to make sure you don't lose that ability, that billion dollars, right?

00:30:41.000 So someone is much more, we are as human beings, and some would make an evolutionary argument for this.

00:30:48.000 I'm not going to get into that right now, that we're much more afraid of losing what we already have than trying to risk something to gain, right?

00:30:55.000 And so because of that, almost our entire society and human action is hardwired against preserving what you already have.

00:31:04.000 That includes jobs, social status, friendships, networking opportunities, Instagram followers, Twitter accounts, employment, college acceptance, scholarships.

00:31:13.000 And so we're willing to do things that even compromise our own values to then try to protect what we already have.

00:31:21.000 And then there's a second psychological study that shows this, which Veritas is pushing back against, which is called the Ash Conformity Test, which is when they brought five people into a room and four of them were in on it and one person was the test subject.

00:31:34.000 And the four people who are in on it all agreed based on the trial to, when asked, pick the shortest line and say the shortest line was actually the longest line.

00:31:44.000 So they'd all go into the room, all five of them, four people being in on it together, one person being tested, and they'd go down the line.

00:31:51.000 Which line is the longest line?

00:31:53.000 And they'd all say together the one that was intentionally wrong.

00:31:56.000 And 75% of the time, the last person who answered would agree with what their line would disagree with what their eyes said, but would agree with the first four answers ahead of them.

00:32:06.000 Right.

00:32:07.000 And because why, when asked about it, they'd say, well, I was afraid of the mockery or ridicule.

00:32:12.000 They were afraid of losing social status.

00:32:14.000 Yep.

00:32:15.000 But there are increasingly people that are not.

00:32:18.000 And the increased value people place on politics, the political variables, they just need more courage, more people coming out.

00:32:24.000 Do you want to see more people do what you've done?

00:32:27.000 Yes.

00:32:28.000 I think that if everyone who opposed critical theory, critical race, critical gender theory just came out at once and said, enough, we'd probably be done with this tomorrow.

00:32:36.000 But it's scary because the institutions just have so much power.

00:32:41.000 You might lose your job.

00:32:42.000 You might lose some friends.

00:32:43.000 Well, kind of friends.

00:32:46.000 But it's important.

00:32:48.000 People need to do it.

00:32:49.000 They need to have some courage.

00:32:50.000 Tell me about your background.

00:32:52.000 What led you in your life to all of a sudden fight a multi-billion dollar creepy toy manufacturer?

00:32:59.000 I don't know.

00:33:00.000 I come from pretty, I think, standard background.

00:33:03.000 Like I went to college at RAT, so I've had some pretty, I guess, prestigious jobs, like jobs I paid well, but I've also worked in factories and cleaning floors.

00:33:19.000 So I've met a lot of people and just I'm not really concerned with social status all that much.

00:33:24.000 I've never really thought about it too much.

00:33:26.000 It's weird to be in this kind of position, but that's exactly why you're perfect for it.

00:33:32.000 I don't know.

00:33:33.000 They made me necessary pushing all this CRT.

00:33:36.000 So when did you first get made aware of the idea of critical race theory as just a citizen?

00:33:41.000 A long time ago, but it was mostly called like intersectionality.

00:33:44.000 This was like six or seven years ago.

00:33:45.000 So was this when you were at college?

00:33:46.000 Yes.

00:33:47.000 So RAT is the Rhode Island Rochester Institute of Technology.

00:33:50.000 Got it.

00:33:51.000 Okay.

00:33:52.000 So, but Hasbro's in Rhode Island, right?

00:33:54.000 Yes.

00:33:54.000 I work remotely for Hasbro.

00:33:56.000 Okay.

00:33:56.000 So you got you.

00:33:57.000 So it was first called intersectionality.

00:34:00.000 And when all of a sudden did you all of a sudden say this is not good for our society?

00:34:05.000 Around the time where I noticed colleges had like segregation, they were starting to do segregated graduations, and they were just calling them like people of color only.

00:34:14.000 And I'm just like, that looks like you're saying colored people.

00:34:19.000 And I had a real problem with that.

00:34:21.000 And then I just started to pay more attention.

00:34:22.000 And then I noticed like it's in our media.

00:34:25.000 It's obviously in colleges.

00:34:27.000 And it's just spreading more and more.

00:34:29.000 It's in our military now.

00:34:31.000 So did you see what happened on college campuses then get into your corporate boardrooms?

00:34:37.000 Like into Hasbro?

00:34:39.000 Yeah.

00:34:39.000 So it was just kind of like a slap in the face because it's one thing to just watch YouTube videos of like people talking about CRT or intersectionality.

00:34:48.000 It's a whole other thing when you're called into a meeting and they're telling you, hey, so this is what we're going to be doing from now on.

00:34:54.000 So it's policy.

00:34:56.000 This wasn't just some, you know, whackadoodle Robin DiAngelo is going to come give an optional, you know, speech, right?

00:35:03.000 We're going to go pay your $900,000 to tell us about how racist we are, right?

00:35:07.000 This is policy.

00:35:08.000 I think, well, it's Hasbro working with another company called The Conscious Kid.

00:35:13.000 Yeah, I've heard that.

00:35:14.000 They want to make sure that their ideology is pushed at every level at Hasbro.

00:35:19.000 Everybody listening, I'm going to write this down because I need conscious kid.

00:35:22.000 I've had three people mention them.

00:35:23.000 They're this kind of like consulting kind of world transformation group that's basically going around trying to teach people how racist your children are.

00:35:32.000 Yeah, right.

00:35:33.000 They're not like, I don't know how big the company itself is, but they have big partners.

00:35:37.000 Like, they work with YouTube and Google and the NFL.

00:35:40.000 Like, that's those are major players.

00:35:43.000 So, I hope everyone understands this.

00:35:44.000 And by the way, James, this is a great thing for you to expose in the coming months and years, that there's this kind of like offensive coordinator equivalent.

00:35:51.000 There's a football analogy of these consulting companies that are kind of choreographing all of this stuff.

00:35:57.000 And they're seed-funded by the big tech companies and they go into all these corporations.

00:36:02.000 And that's why you find unified messaging at every single one of these companies because these people come in with these playbooks and they implement it.

00:36:10.000 And that's what you saw at Hasbro.

00:36:11.000 Yep.

00:36:13.000 In closing, James, how can people give you a hard time, but that's because I actually respect what you're doing.

00:36:18.000 But everyone, in all seriousness, should support Project Veritas, one of the few organizations actually doing something.

00:36:25.000 You were doing amazing on our stage at our Student Action Summit.

00:36:28.000 Thank you.

00:36:28.000 And I hope all of our students are motivated to expose things on their college campuses.

00:36:33.000 As I was standing in line with David, you know, we did a little book signing and took some photos.

00:36:37.000 There were people coming up to us inside companies here at your conference.

00:36:40.000 I can't say the names of those companies, but apparently your students or their guests were coming up to us.

00:36:45.000 And I mean this.

00:36:47.000 I appreciate you letting us go over time today.

00:36:50.000 We had five people on stage.

00:36:51.000 David was the grand finale.

00:36:53.000 And every time one of we do this, there's another few dozen.

00:36:56.000 So I think there's a movement.

00:36:57.000 And the crowd was pretty amazing.

00:36:58.000 I mean, the energy was probably the best.

00:37:01.000 I've been to, I don't know how many have been doing this with you for seven years, six years.

00:37:05.000 And the energy today was probably the best energy I've ever felt.

00:37:08.000 They were shouting, David.

00:37:10.000 It was like tears are coming to my eyes.

00:37:11.000 David, David.

00:37:13.000 I mean, it was really special.

00:37:14.000 And we're getting tips as right now as I speak.

00:37:18.000 So it's like a movement of 100,000 people.

00:37:21.000 I don't think people believe that this is possible, Charlie.

00:37:24.000 They think that I'm crazy, but they don't believe it's possible until it happens because it isn't possible until it is.

00:37:30.000 So Veritas Tips at ProtonMail.com.

00:37:33.000 That's Veritas Tips at ProtonMail.com to do what he did.

00:37:37.000 The book is out.

00:37:38.000 All the proceeds go to Project Veritas Foundation.

00:37:40.000 It's called American Muckraker, and you could pre-order it today.

00:37:45.000 You are in the courage business, you people that are courageous.

00:37:50.000 That's right, exactly.

00:37:50.000 We're in the courage business.

00:37:51.000 So there's the closing thing.

00:37:53.000 We talk a lot about courage on this show.

00:37:55.000 Sure.

00:37:55.000 We talk about the ancient Greek definition of courage.

00:37:57.000 Because that's the big gap we have right now in America.

00:38:00.000 Your phrase at Project Veritas is be brave, do something.

00:38:04.000 There's someone listening right now.

00:38:06.000 They probably are just, they stop their car in their driveway and they have a pit in their stomach because they work for Goldman Sachs and they know they could be that next whistleblower.

00:38:14.000 I think you have to make a decision about whether you, when people say pursuit of happiness, which is what was written in the Declaration of Independence, I think there's also the pursuit of meaning.

00:38:23.000 And courage is the virtue that sustains all other things, all other virtues, right?

00:38:27.000 You've read your Aristotle.

00:38:29.000 Right.

00:38:30.000 So courage is the virtue that sustains all the other great things that we need to courage.

00:38:34.000 You need courage to love.

00:38:35.000 You need courage to do what he did.

00:38:37.000 So, you know, yes, there are ups and downs.

00:38:39.000 People don't like the volatility.

00:38:41.000 They want to just maintain.

00:38:43.000 But there are some things more important than maintaining, to quote your loss aversion thing.

00:38:49.000 And I just think that, you know, follow David's lead.

00:38:52.000 He's an inspirational guy.

00:38:54.000 He's a good man who believes in what he's doing.

00:38:56.000 And we all do.

00:38:58.000 And we need more people like this.

00:39:00.000 And, you know, have to go through me to get to him.

00:39:02.000 And, you know, whatever they need.

00:39:03.000 You got a bullet pervest on.

00:39:05.000 And I got a bullet per vest on.

00:39:06.000 You're in Oklahoma.

00:39:07.000 Like, so good luck.

00:39:08.000 You know, you got to do the right thing in life.

00:39:12.000 And that's what matters.

00:39:13.000 And I think that it's not the politicians who are going to help this country.

00:39:17.000 It's people like him.

00:39:18.000 We just need hundreds of people like him.

00:39:20.000 Yes.

00:39:20.000 They just need to give the permission to do it.

00:39:22.000 They need to know that they can do it.

00:39:23.000 And they can do it.

00:39:24.000 And it's more, this new wrinkle you have at Veritas is amazing where it's not just the undercover thing, but now it's the whistleblower thing.

00:39:31.000 Both combined.

00:39:32.000 Which is just what I know.

00:39:33.000 No, and saying, but it's a force multiplier.

00:39:35.000 It is.

00:39:36.000 It's a movement, never been done.

00:39:38.000 We're pioneering.

00:39:39.000 We're making it happen.

00:39:40.000 And David assumes new strength while Goliath is attacked on all sides.

00:39:45.000 And I said in my closing line, the hunter becomes the quarry.

00:39:48.000 The hunter becomes the hunted.

00:39:49.000 They fear him more than he fears them.

00:39:52.000 So many people, and I hope you know this, David, members of the ruling class have had to see their doctors recently because James O'Keefe keeps them up at night.

00:40:00.000 James O'Keeffe, God bless you, be brave and do something.

00:40:03.000 Thanks so much.

00:40:04.000 Cheers.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - July 19, 2021

Project Veritas Whistleblower EXPOSES Critical Race Theory in a Children's' Toy Manufacturer—LIVE with James O' Keefe

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