In this episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, host Charlie Kirk is joined by Sean Spicer to discuss Mike Waltz's claim that he and Jeffrey Goldberg were in a secret, top-secret group chat. Is this true or false?
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00:02:04.000Yeah, well, look, I mean, keep in mind, so there's a few things to this story that need to be taken care of, because the media and the Democrats are taking this and blowing everything up and using terms that, frankly, with all due respect, they have no right, I mean, they have no understanding of.
00:02:17.000When they throw out words like war plan, classified.
00:02:21.000Those might be words, but they actually have meaning, right?
00:02:24.000So there are operational plans, we call them O-plans.
00:02:27.000They're sensitive, classified, or confidential, secret, top secret.
00:02:32.000The first thing that we got to get out of the way is that...
00:02:34.000Clearly, from what John Radcliffe, the CIA director, said yesterday, Signal is an authorized platform.
00:02:40.000The second issue is what was being discussed.
00:02:44.000I trust the folks, you know, the CIA director, the DNI director, to determine that more than a bunch of lefty media types that have no experience in this.
00:02:53.000And then the third thing is what you're talking about, Charlie, which is how does Jeffrey Goldberg get into this chat?
00:02:59.000Now, Mike Waltz, as you said, or alluded to, He's admitted.
00:03:02.000He went on Laura Ingraham last night and said, I'm the guy who created this group chat.
00:03:14.000When I first met Jeffrey Goldberg, I called to yell at him in the 2016-2017 transition because his publication had this gadfly horrible person named Julia Offey who wrote a disgusting and despicable story about Ivanka Trump.
00:03:30.000And I called to yell at him and said, hey, I know we've never met.
00:03:44.000So one has to assume either Mike Waltz, and by the way, Jeffrey Goldberg admits that he's only met Waltz maybe once, maybe twice, several years ago.
00:04:30.000At some point, this is going to come out.
00:04:33.000Right? It's, did you personally add him in or did somebody else do it?
00:04:36.000But there's only two ways that that can happen.
00:04:39.000Right. And so, other than that, or something even more nefarious happened, like the intel agencies hacked this group chat, which is a very low probability.
00:04:48.000But let's just play some of the statements from Mike Waltz.
00:04:54.000His denials, I mean, outright denials, saying that Waltz claims the staffer did not put his contact in.
00:05:57.000I have no idea what he's talking about here.
00:05:59.000Well, that's why I thought what was weird is that, like, so I get that, like, so what he's alluding to is I have Charlie Kirk in my phone, but gosh, you know, instead of Charlie Kirk's phone number, I have, you know, Bob Smith.
00:06:13.000And so I think I'm texting you, and that seems to be what he was saying.
00:06:18.000Right? In other words, what he was saying is, and again, I'm just speculating, but JG, Jameson Greer, the U.S. trade rep, that would make sense.
00:06:25.000Okay, so what he seems to be saying is, I thought I was adding somebody to the text, and it turns out that it was Jeffrey Goldberg's number.
00:06:32.000Right? And my point is, okay, that still doesn't, you still have, like, no one goes, like, that's just...
00:06:53.000Okay, but the idea that you thought you were contacting somebody else and their numbers were just transposed, I've never had that happen, right?
00:07:03.000And also, just like, let's face it, Jamison Greer just happens to have a one-off phone number than Jeffrey Goldberg.
00:07:10.000This is where I hope he does get the best technical minds to look at this.
00:07:15.000Right. And so the other thing about Signal, if you and I were to talk on Signal a lot, Sean, and then I went to go create a new message and I put S in, the people you contact the most are elevated, actually, in the suggested and recommended the next contacts.
00:07:31.000In order for this to be true, somebody who added Jeffrey Goldberg, which Mike Waltz admitted he is the admin and he is the creator of the group, he must have had established contact with Jeffrey Goldberg.
00:07:45.000Yeah, I mean, look, I'm not as much of an expert on, I've used Signal, but my technical expertise is somewhat limited to on and off on most devices.
00:07:54.000That being said, again, part of this doesn't, like, I've made mistakes.
00:07:58.000I've added people to text chains that I didn't intend to.
00:08:13.000Is that this wouldn't have been a scandal, whatever, it's not a scandal, if all of a sudden Mike Waltz had been like, look, we are moving too fast, I have all these old contacts in my congressional days, and I meant to add Jamison Greer, and I added Jeffrey Goldberg.
00:08:27.000This is unbelievably embarrassing and humiliating.
00:08:30.000In the tech world, we all had this happen.
00:08:35.000But now, Mike Waltz is making us speculate one of two things.
00:08:39.000Either he's a pathological liar, which I really don't want to believe, That's the option one.
00:08:44.000Or number two is that signal is compromised and that our own intel agencies created a backdoor to be able to look at private government chats.
00:11:07.000No, no, but here's the way I look at this.
00:11:11.000I have a belief, and I haven't asked the president this, but knowing the president's view of Jeffrey Goldberg, I think that's what pisses him off the most, that of all people that you did this to.
00:11:24.000So if you have to explain it to him...
00:11:27.000And you're talking to Donald Trump, and you say, Mr. President, here's what happened, and I don't know why, and so here's my answer.
00:11:33.000I'm going to get the best technical mind to explain.
00:11:35.000That's your way of at least being like, hey, I'm on it.
00:11:38.000Yeah, but it is dishonest, though, and that's what I don't—if that's correct.
00:11:43.000At the same time, I mean, it's—he's going on Laura Ingraham saying, I never talked to him, never had communication, I don't know who he is, I've never had all this, I don't know how this happened.
00:11:52.000I hope it's not correct that the intel agencies have the backdoor.
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00:13:16.000Immediately after taking office in 2021, Joe Biden removed the Iran-backed Houthis from the foreign terrorist organization and specifically designated global terrorist list.
00:13:27.000Did anybody in this room ask the Biden administration at the time why they made such a stupid mistake?
00:13:33.000This reckless action undid the designation put in place by President Trump during his first term, and what followed was predictable and devastating.
00:13:42.000The Houthis targeted U.S. military ships and aircraft, hit commercial ships, including U.S.-flagged vessels, threatened our personnel overseas, and attacked our allies in the region.
00:13:53.000This resulted in more than a year of U.S.-flagged commercial ships being prevented from safely sailing through the Suez Canal, the Red Sea, and the Gulf of Aden.
00:14:03.000This had a massive negative impact on global trade of the economic security of the United States.
00:14:09.000Joe Biden was the commander-in-chief and he sat on his hands while the United States of America was bullied and embarrassed by terrorists.
00:14:18.000President Trump and his team are putting a stop to these threats in restoring American strength around the world.
00:14:24.000The Trump peace through strength approach means no terrorist force will stop American commercial and naval vessels from freely sailing the waterways of the world.
00:14:34.000But unfortunately, this is not what the Democrats and the media want to talk about.
00:14:39.000They are focused on a coordinated campaign to try and sow chaos in this White House.
00:14:44.000And this has been the most successful first two months of any administration ever, which is exactly why they are doing this.
00:14:51.000We are not going to bend in the face of this insincere outrage.
00:14:55.000And here is just one example of how bad faith the Democrats' criticisms are.
00:15:00.000Democrat Senator Mark Warner is hysterical over the use of Signal.
00:15:04.000Which is an approved decrypted app in the killing of Houthi terrorists.
00:15:08.000But Senator Warner himself used Signal to work with a lobbyist for a Russian oligarch to connect the disgraced Steele dossier author who started the Russia hoax.
00:15:20.000Which Jeffrey Goldberg later reported on.
00:15:24.000We're not going to lose focus of the bottom line, which is that Joe Biden's weakness enabled and emboldened Houthi terrorists, and President Trump's strength and resolve eliminated those terrorists.
00:15:35.000Here in our new media seat today, we have Lindsay Keith.
00:15:37.000She is the managing editor for Merit TV and serves as their White House correspondent.
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00:15:48.000We're glad to have you with us, Lindsay.
00:16:43.000The Department of Defense, the Department of State, the CIA has it loaded onto government phones because it is the most secure and efficient way to communicate.
00:16:51.000As for, again, the original situation in this messaging thread, the National Security Council, the White House Counsel's Office continues to look in to how this mistake, which the National Security Advisor has owned, occurred.
00:17:03.000And the president has ensured they are doing that.
00:17:05.000On the economy, consumer confidence hit a four-year low this month.
00:17:09.000Can you help explain to the American people how tariffs will help them in the long run?
00:17:51.000I mean, I think the bigger question right now, one, is about the discussion that we're having.
00:17:57.000What is the government doing to find out how this got added?
00:17:59.000Because that seems to be now the big question.
00:18:02.000The second is, I think one of the issues that we need to also understand is, were these officials on their government phones or their personal phones?
00:18:09.000And that's what I thought would probably be coming out right off the bat.
00:18:13.000I try to tend to look at Charlie, can I make a quick point?
00:18:19.000Because this goes back to the point you're making.
00:18:20.000If it was on a government phone, I think that raises the question about why Jeffrey Goldberg was in there in a very different way than if it was on Waltz's personal phone, which he's probably had for 10 or 15 years or whatever he had during his tenure as a member of Congress.
00:18:36.000If it's on his government phone, that brings up a whole new set of questions as to how Jeffrey Goldberg was on...
00:18:53.000And so, I hate dwelling on this story too much, but it's only getting bigger and bigger.
00:18:58.000And to be perfectly honest with you, Mike Waltz, who I've always gotten along with and I respect, made it bigger by going on Laura Ingraham last night.
00:19:04.000By the outright denials and saying, we have a tech team looking into this.
00:19:08.000I'll be honest, Sean, if you want my personal opinion, I think he just messed up and added him by mistake.
00:19:13.000I don't think the CIA has a backdoor to signal.
00:19:16.000I don't think that there's some sort of clandestine thing.
00:19:32.000Yeah, the president wouldn't be happy with that.
00:19:33.000But I think the president's going to be 10 times angrier if he finds out that this has been some rigmarole and trying to have some tech team and we're going to have some sort of investigation.
00:19:43.000When in reality, you press JG and you met Jameson Greer and it actually ended up Jeffrey Goldberg.
00:19:48.000But then it's like, wait a second, why is that guy in your phone?
00:19:51.000So I'm going to tell you this right now.
00:19:55.000Like, if you went to the president, and I say this as a guy who had to do that, that if you go to the president and say, Mr. President, I screwed up and I'm going to go fix it because I serve at your pleasure, he is much more understanding.
00:20:12.000Then I think if you dig a hole and then have to go back to him.
00:20:15.000So I hope to God, for the sake of Mike Waltz, who I have the utmost respect for, that this is what happened.
00:20:21.000Because if you have to go back to the president and say, all right, let me tell you what really happened.
00:20:31.000And here's the, just from a PR standpoint.
00:20:34.000And I made this point on the morning meeting this morning that I have on my YouTube channel every morning.
00:20:39.000That's, look, in a crisis, It will only last about—it's like a fire.
00:20:44.000After about 48 hours, if there's no new oxygen, it dies.
00:20:48.000The only way a crisis is perpetuated is if more oxygen comes into the room.
00:20:53.000And to your point, every time that you speak, you go out there, and if your story doesn't— Lock it down further and push oxygen out of the room, but rather lets it in.
00:21:08.000They should have been put to bed last night, but I think for a lot of reasons, they want to go out there and try to show that, you know, here's what's really going on.
00:21:17.000And unfortunately, I think they're adding more oxygen to the room than they are taking it out.
00:21:21.000And you've got to give the Atlantic a little bit of credit in a really dark way.
00:21:25.000They're using the Andrew Breitbart model, which is you don't release everything you have all at once.
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00:24:02.000So, Connor, I want to use the lead-in of the flop, the multi-hundred-million-dollar flop that is Snow White.
00:24:10.000Disney decided to resurrect Snow White and spend a lot of money.
00:24:15.000It had a terrible showing this last weekend.
00:24:18.000It turns out that millions of families do not want a repurposed, let's just say, modern take.
00:24:26.000You could say it's woke, but it certainly is with the flair of the worst of modernity, of a beautiful story that existed well over 100 years ago.
00:24:36.000You at the Tuttle Twins, you are the author and you are the brainchild of the Tuttle Twins, are having a lot of success getting down to fundamental truths and speaking in a way to families that appeal to them.
00:24:51.000There's been a lot of pushback from parents with Snow White.
00:24:53.000This is just the latest of a long series of pushback that we've seen.
00:24:56.000I'm actually very hopeful that we're seeing a lot of families stepping up and saying, no, we don't want that stuff in our home.
00:25:03.000What parents have lacked in past years are resources that can help them teach their children good ideas, good principles that aren't being shared in the schools.
00:25:12.000They're not being shared on social media.
00:25:15.000And so fundamentally, what the Tuttle Twins books are.
00:25:19.000Are a resource for parents to read alongside with their kids, simple and fun stories that introduce the ideas of human flourishing.
00:25:26.000We're talking about the power of entrepreneurship, the importance of personal freedom, why merit is so important, right?
00:25:35.000Property rights, free markets, the ideas upon which America was built, but increasingly in America's schools, not only are these ideas not taught, if...
00:27:03.000This is not just giving them Milton Friedman's capitalism and freedom, but it is those ideas distilled in a digestible way for a child.
00:27:11.000Well, I think you raise an interesting point with your personal story that children are being bombarded with these types of ideas now.
00:27:19.000And when we started doing the Tuttle Twins in 2014 is when we published our first book.
00:27:24.000We had a lot of conservatives and libertarians and others say, wait, wait, let kids be kids.
00:27:29.000We don't need to talk to them about these big adult ideas.
00:27:32.000We can wait until they're getting close to voting age.
00:27:35.000And so we got pushback even from our own tribe for doing children's books talking about these big adult ideas.
00:27:41.000Of course, going through the crazy BLM and DEI and all the stuff that we have in the past few years, nobody on our side talks that way anymore because they see what the left is doing, that they have just this cacophony of content that they're pushing out, whether it's cartoons or books or online stuff.
00:27:59.000And so now I think increasingly parents recognize, whoa, my children's mind is like ground zero in an ideological battlefield.
00:28:09.000And if I don't give my child armor and weaponry and knowledge of the enemy, then my child will become a casualty.
00:28:16.000And so we live in a world where we can't just assume that we can talk to our kids later about these ideas.
00:28:23.000Frankly, we need to compete for their hearts and minds because they're being, you know, attracted and exposed by so many hostile ideas.
00:28:31.000Parents often have been caught in a trap because I'll tell you, Charlie, the biggest problem we run into is freedom-loving moms and dads who do want their kids to learn these ideas, but they, the parents, feel ill-equipped to explain and teach these ideas to their kids.
00:28:47.000They feel the parents increase I did bad at that subject in school, right?
00:29:28.000We have to model for our children what civic engagement looks like, what critical thinking looks like.
00:29:34.000And to do that, we have to empower parents to do this on the daily.
00:29:38.000In their home, in that environment where we can incubate strong, entrepreneurial, critical thinking minds that can be the future of saving our country.
00:29:49.000Just talk about what you are, the author of The Tuttle Twins.
00:29:53.000How did you conceptualize all of this?
00:29:55.000There are so many different, let's just say, sister or cousin equivalents, the Hardy Boys.
00:30:02.000I mean, typical ideas of, you know, duos that go about life and this kind of...
00:30:08.000Well, my partner, Elijah, who's the illustrator of our books, he and I both had young kids at the time.
00:30:18.000We are very passionate about freedom, and he had been working on the Ron Paul campaign, and I had been helping, and we had been talking about, hey, maybe there's an opportunity at some point to partner together.
00:30:30.000Meanwhile, I started a think tank, Libertas Institute, and I'm out there fighting for freedom, and I wanted to share with my kids what dad does when I'm helping this farmer fight eminent domain so he can save his land.
00:30:42.000How do I tell my five-year-old what dad did all day, right?
00:30:45.000Rather than, oh, I typed on a computer and simple stuff.
00:30:48.000I wanted to teach the substantive ideas, albeit at a simple level.
00:30:52.000So I did what any dad would do in my position.
00:30:54.000I literally went on Amazon and I said books that teach about property rights for kids, right?
00:32:10.000By the way, conservative parents are unknowingly allowing their kids to watch this stuff.
00:32:15.000This goes through the family filter because sometimes they'll say this is just a kid's account.
00:32:19.000Has there ever been a gayer, more inclusive cartoon than She-Ra and the Princesses of Power?
00:32:25.000The series was created by trans artist N.D. Stevenson and its shows.
00:32:30.000The show explores queer love, queer struggle, and the ultimate queer joy.
00:32:35.000Adora and Katra share one of the most epic love stories set to screen, and they're surrounded by a literal rainbow of compelling, unapologetically queer and trans characters.
00:34:00.000They banned Netflix and unsubscribe in their home.
00:34:03.000I'm less worried about that because parents are more easily able to detect that.
00:34:08.000I'm more worried about what parents struggle to detect.
00:34:11.000And that's the sub-mediocre content in our textbooks used in classrooms across the country, K-12, that teach about government being the solution.
00:34:20.000And they do it in very subtle ways, right?
00:34:23.000They praise FDR and claim that he, you know, saved the country from the Great Depression.
00:34:28.000They praise Woodrow Wilson and claim that the Federal Reserve helped, you know, stabilize.
00:34:37.000These are things parents struggle to detect and yet plant seeds, stay with these children and lead them down a path of supporting big government and ultimately Marxism.
00:34:48.000So what we're on guard for is not the big flashy stuff that make lists like that and get parents wrinkled.
00:34:56.000We're on the hunt for and helping parents detect the problems that they're not wise perceiving.
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00:36:30.000When we've surveyed our audience, over 52% of parents tell us that they are learning new things for the first time, even though they got these books for their kids.
00:36:39.000We're educating entire families, and it's so critical because groups like yours are on college campus.
00:37:21.000Okay, what could possibly be wrong with monuments?
00:37:23.000We start reading this book, and there was an entire chapter illustrated of the Stonewall Riots, which was a series of these spontaneous riots back in 1969, all about the gay rights thing.
00:37:45.000And this is supposed to be a book to American monuments.
00:37:47.000Think of all the monuments that you could have for kids to learn.
00:37:51.000So you don't know that at this, you know, you buy this monuments book, you don't know that.
00:37:55.000I start reading this stuff, and it is remarkable, the toxins.
00:38:01.000Look, the bottom line is this, is that there are dark forces that are trying to harm our kids.
00:38:06.000And you must be vigilant, and it can be very subtle.
00:38:09.000And going back to the Snow White theme, You know, there's this book, Antango Makes Three, is the true story of a same-sex penguin.
00:38:19.000I don't know how it could possibly be a true story.
00:38:21.000Last year, the Escambia County School Board paid a law firm at least $107,000 to defend its removal, and Tango Makes Three after a lawsuit was filed by its authors.
00:38:33.000Imagine a school board investing six figures to defend itself against common sense because it's inappropriate to bring agendas to children.
00:38:42.000So, just more broadly, what is your vision for the Tuttle Twins?
00:38:48.000Where do you want to see this go next?
00:38:49.000Well, again, books like that, Charlie, raise the flag and we have focused attention on that is clearly a problematic book, the history book that you mentioned.
00:38:58.000Think of the history books that are used in schools across the country.
00:39:01.000We actually purchased all the popular ones.
00:39:04.000And what you find is that they are all great at teaching American history to kids if the goal is to help them win Jeopardy in the future by being able to recite every little factoid and random tidbit.
00:39:15.000But they did a horrible job at actually teaching the ideas, the philosophy.
00:39:19.000The philosophy, the values that formed this country.
00:39:22.000So the history books that we've created have tried to solve for that by saying, yeah, we've got to teach the what happened and the who did it.
00:39:54.00013%. So then I ask you, Charlie, in our audience...
00:39:57.000What becomes of America if the future voters are so ignorant about our past?
00:40:03.000Those who don't learn from the past, of course, are condemned to repeat it.
00:40:06.000So my vision for our country is that we can empower families across the country to learn these ideas together, to give their children an intellectual, ideological, historical foundation of ideas so that as they go out into society and they're bombarded with all the garbage that's going to come upon them, whether that's from peers, social...
00:40:27.000They're going to have the capacity to think critically, to act independently.