00:00:48.000He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:54.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:03:28.000One of the reasons is that, so we reconfigure society altogether to try to accommodate and pander to a hyper-vocal minority that itself will never actually be happy, regardless of how many kind of changes we make for the alphabet mafia.
00:03:49.000But then it's like, no, actually, now we have to teach your four-year-old all about whether or not they need to transition or not.
00:03:55.000And that's a really good lesson for life, I think, right?
00:03:58.000Which is just because you think you're going to pander to a certain force doesn't necessarily mean the issue is going to go away altogether.
00:04:06.000And I just, I look at that example, and it could be a silly example.
00:04:08.000I remember when the whole bathroom thing was going on, people said, you know, what difference does it make?
00:04:15.000And it does make a big deal, quite honestly, for the safety of women, which always used to kind of be an argument of feminism, right?
00:04:21.000Which is feminism was always that we don't want to be exploited by men.
00:04:25.000We believe men and women are different.
00:04:26.000I look back and I say, boy, I kind of agree with a lot of the main tenets of like 1960s and 1970s feminism.
00:04:32.000I think a lot of like putting your career over family is a bunch of nonsense, but like believing that men and women have fundamental biological differences, like I can sign up for that.
00:04:40.000But kind of blending it all together in this kind of gender-fluid nonsense, it's not just bad for society, it's bad for women.
00:04:46.000But of course, we can't define what a woman is anymore, including Katanji Brown Jackson, who's now going to be on the U.S. Supreme Court, asked a very simple question: What is a woman?
00:05:26.000So, your own opinions aside, do you then start to change actually the way society is structured because you think it's actually going to accommodate people?
00:05:34.000And the answer should probably be: well, it depends on what your goal is and what your outcome is.
00:05:39.000And going into all gender restroom, I don't really know what the goal of that is.
00:05:42.000I don't know how that makes anyone safer or happier, except people were tired of being screamed at in the legislature and they're like, okay, fine, I'll sign a bill.
00:05:50.000And then they move on to the next issue.
00:05:51.000That's the only thing I could possibly think of.
00:05:53.000It doesn't make anybody happier or healthier.
00:05:55.000It doesn't make America a freer country.
00:05:57.000And it certainly is not something that I want to dedicate like our entire tour to.
00:06:01.000We have serious problems in our country.
00:06:02.000I'm not saying that's not a problem, but our borders wide open, inflation's double digits.
00:06:17.000I wish I didn't have to, I should say.
00:06:18.000But then I got to thinking: if we can't define what a man or a woman is, how could we ever answer the more complicated questions in society?
00:06:26.000And this is one of my big arguments of why we shouldn't send U.S. troops to Ukraine, which is if we can't even get 90% agreement on like the most fundamental issues, how are we going to actually get into the more complicated things, such as combat of war, theaters of war, things of that nature?
00:06:40.000And so these conversations are super important.
00:06:43.000And it's a very interesting dynamic because 99% of Americans believe men cannot become pregnant, right?
00:06:51.000And if it makes you chuckle, it should, right?
00:06:54.000But unfortunately, that's Apple, the company Apple, they come out with a pregnant man emoji, right?
00:07:00.000They say, we don't take us, it's birthing people according to the White House, which, of course, is patently insane.
00:07:06.000And so, but 99% of people are also afraid to talk about it, right?
00:07:11.000So it's an issue that most people say, yes, I think this is crazy.
00:07:14.000I know that men and women have biological differences.
00:07:16.000I know it's wrong when a swimmer, you know, just instantly transitions from a man to a woman, is the 462nd best swimmer, then becomes an NCAA champion.
00:07:26.000I know there's something wrong with that.
00:07:28.000But it gets to kind of why it's happening.
00:07:31.000And it's happening because the power of intimidation is the most powerful political weapon right now in America.
00:07:38.000Is that people are afraid of losing their jobs?
00:07:48.000I would argue that contesting and fighting for the truth is more important than those things, but you make your own decision, obviously.
00:07:54.000But they've basically wired society where if you violate one of these ever-changing rules, by the way, you're going to lose something that actually you might respect.
00:08:31.000I've said for a long time, I come under huge criticism that it's much harder to be conservative in America than to be gay in America right now.
00:09:10.000Obviously, you know, the unrestricted drug use, I'm not a big fan of.
00:09:13.000But I have to say, Joe Rogan has had more courage than most people that call themselves conservatives over the last couple of years.
00:09:20.000And Joe Rogan, what he's done, and I think a lot of you and a lot of young people in particular are now kind of part of this Joe Rogan political kind of moment where it's like, okay, I'm not a conservative.
00:09:41.000And to like Joe Rogan and Elon Musk's credit, I think that there's this huge opportunity with young people in particular to try and communicate values that we would call conservative values rooted in free markets or private property rights or constitutional constitutional government that has now just been kind of characterized as like radical right-wing ideas.
00:10:01.000And one of the most obvious ones, there was this huge study that came out from the National Bureau of Economic Research, is something that impacts all of you, which is our insane response to the virus over the last couple of years.
00:10:13.000Now, this is something that drives me nuts, right?
00:10:15.000And I'm sure CU Boulder participated in this, which is how we describe what happened the last couple of years, right?
00:10:22.000So we can get into Chinese aspects of it and all that and how China's gotten away with it.
00:10:45.000That certain states decide, they made decisions, right, where they said that they were going to lock down the entire society, mask children, force vaccines on people.
00:11:04.000I think it was way too draconian at times, especially with the vaccine mandates.
00:11:08.000I'll get to that in a second because I know it's impacting some of our turning point USA chapter leaders here.
00:11:13.000But all things being equal, all things being said, over the last couple of years, your life has been significantly impacted.
00:11:20.000Those here, they're 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, by public health officials that were never elected, that were never voted for, that were largely unknown before.
00:11:28.000And then a couple of years later, everything costs three times as much.
00:11:32.000The society is completely and totally different, right?
00:11:34.000And so I think, and I hope and I pray that the unintended consequence of our reaction to this virus can be hopefully millions of young people say, wait a second, like California, New York, New Jersey, Illinois were the worst performing states.
00:11:50.000If you combine a blended number, according to the National Bureau of Economic Research, of lockdowns, jobs, death rates, virus transmission rates, and child educational outputs.
00:11:59.000You can look at the study yourself, National Bureau of Economic Research, no political bias whatsoever.
00:12:04.000And the top 10 best performing states are states like Utah, Florida, South Dakota, Nebraska.
00:12:09.000Do you see kind of a commonality there?
00:12:11.000One that believes that in this entire idea that men can become pregnant, and one that believes that businesses can become open.
00:12:17.000And this is become open and you can flourish.
00:12:20.000And this is, I think, the decision for our generation and something that we can explain, which is, do you apply the insane and quite honestly, easily disproven theory and ideology you're taught in college to the rest of the world?
00:12:35.000Or do you actually believe you're lying on us?
00:12:37.000And that is the moment that's happening right now in America where it's like, wait a second, I just watched the Super Bowl and Gavin Newsome and Matt Damon, they don't have to wear masks, but the kids in schools have to wear masks in California.
00:12:49.000Or it's like, you know, you can march in the George Floyd parade, but you have to stay at home locked down with everything else.
00:12:55.000And it's this inherent contradiction in a lot of these things.
00:13:06.000And they feel as if they've been lied to and intentionally misled by these group of people in charge, which is why I think Joe Rogan resonates so much and Elon Musk resonates so much.
00:13:16.000And so it really kind of goes to this question, which is what is the path forward that young people are going to choose?
00:13:22.000We can talk politically if you want, but more importantly, it's like, what set of circumstances are you going to apply to your or set of principles you'll apply to your life to hopefully improve the conditions around you?
00:13:34.000And so first I'll talk to the adults kind of 50 plus and then I'll talk to everybody else.
00:13:39.000Students have been scammed the last couple of years.
00:14:03.000And yet, whether it be IQ development stunted, whether it be job openings that were thwarted, whether it be just the simple principle of can an average 28 something afford a home.
00:14:18.000Young people now are being priced out of the housing markets in ways we have never seen before.
00:14:23.000Rent in Phoenix, Arizona, I guarantee you it's very similar in Denver, right?
00:14:51.000The equity I want to talk about is how can we make young people own homes easier?
00:14:54.000It's a very important thing, and it's going down dramatically.
00:14:57.000And so we shut down the country, we print $8 trillion of new money, we inject it into the economy, we lock everybody down, and specifically, and in a really cruel way, we lock down the portion of the population, the young people in this audience, that were not at any sort of significant risk from having a severe time or dying from this virus.
00:15:16.000And so you look at this entire thing, you say, wait a second, this is generational theft.
00:15:21.000This is the older generation that went and made a deliberate decision.
00:15:23.000And I'm not blaming all the, I got these emails.
00:16:27.000You know, someone that gets everything for nothing.
00:16:29.000They're some of the most miserable people in the world.
00:16:31.000I think earned success is a moral good for a society.
00:16:34.000We have to make it easier for young people to be able to have earned success.
00:16:37.000However, I don't think, and this is the other side of the coin, I don't think it's helpful just to kind of condescendingly tell students and young people, like, I worked hard my way through college, so should you, and just figure it out.
00:16:53.000I'll talk to some, I'll talk to the students directly in a second, but it would be unfair.
00:16:57.000It's just the numbers just don't add up, by the way.
00:16:59.000If you look at how much it costs to get through four years at CU Boulder here versus how much it would have cost adjusted for inflation 35 years ago, it's like quadrupled minimum, not to mention room and board, not to mention the other costs associated.
00:17:14.000And the college degree is actually worth less.
00:17:16.000It's not worthless, but you could argue that.
00:17:18.000It's actually worth less than it was 35 to 40 years ago.
00:17:22.000And so you have a generation that I think it's a combustible engine.
00:17:28.000Go either way, that's about to come out and say, and they're just waiting for the political leader to say it, I've done everything you've told me to do for the last decade, and I'm poorer than my parents.
00:18:45.000So if I asked some of the 50-plus people in this audience, you guys have, a lot of you have gotten double or triple, at least double wealthier as far as the proportion of your real estate value over the last couple of years because you print all this money, right?
00:19:19.000Very quickly, that'll be translated into very radical left-wing politics, like very radical, where I'm talking like people are going to be saying outwardly, let's confiscate all the property from the baby boomers and give it to Gen X or Gen Z and millennials.
00:19:32.000Now, I don't support that, but you can see there's a single person who's enthusiastic about that.
00:19:38.000But I'm trying to warn you, especially if you care about like de-radicalizing American politics, which you should all care about, right?
00:19:48.000Well, we sort of have, but like communicated in the way that it happens in other countries where that sort of reverse redistribution message will be very, very compelling to a 30-year-old who did everything they were told to do.
00:20:29.000You need to transition as many of the people as possible that were sold that lie.
00:20:34.000And it was, by the way, the other rules they had to follow, stay at home, don't leave your home, wear a mask, get the vaccine, all this sort of stuff, right?
00:21:04.000And that's a problem that transcends politics, by the way.
00:21:07.000But what's going to happen, because the left is really good at this, they're political predators, they are, they're going to come in and capture this suffering and promise things they can't deliver and try to weaponize it towards a very radical thing.
00:21:20.000So what's the other two things we should argue for?
00:21:21.000And this is something that I think is having a revival in this country in a good way.
00:21:25.000You might not see it yet, which is we need to make it easier to buy property and own property, get married, and then have children.
00:21:33.000Those three things we need to make it easier for.
00:23:11.000And creating $8 trillion out of thin air didn't help that, by the way.
00:23:15.000And so you have this moment where, of course, the political predators, the left is going to come in and they'll be like, vote for us, free stuff, all this.
00:23:24.000So you got to think to yourself, which side should actually stand for family formation, getting married and having children?
00:23:31.000Probably the ones that believe in men and women and believe in absolute truths and believe in actually defending the institution of marriage, right?
00:23:39.000And so from my experience of young people and a lot of students, they say, I want to at least get a little bit of this aforementioned American dream that I was promised.
00:23:48.000And here's the thing that I think gets totally misrepresented for any politician that wishes to listen to this, right?
00:23:53.000Which is that it's not that they gravitate towards some of these left-wing policies out of totally their own choosing.
00:24:01.000Some of it is because they've been convinced out of their necessity.
00:24:10.000But a majority of young people support like Bernie Sanders, not because they find every idea super compelling, but they're like, he's going to set my, he's going to set me free.
00:24:24.000They're like, he'll get rid of my student loan debt because I got nothing out of college.
00:24:27.000Like he's going to get rid of the scam that I was put into.
00:24:30.000So how should conservatives meaningfully address these things?
00:24:33.000First of all, addressing them, I think, is just first, a good first step to actually know young people, to tell young people you're talking about these things.
00:24:39.000And then I'm open to any and all ideas that make those three things easier in a market-based way.
00:24:45.000But then also, let's just take a step back from like the most simple, like and most obvious.
00:24:50.000And one of the dumbest things we've ever done, and I've kind of mentioned this a couple times, which is when you have more dollar bills chasing, you have more dollar bills than you have value, it's a bad thing for society, okay?
00:25:02.000Don't need to go into the deep economics of that.
00:25:04.000We shouldn't have to spend two hours on it.
00:25:06.000Yet your political leaders in both parties decided that was a good idea.
00:25:09.000And so I'm talking about inflation, of course.
00:25:12.000Inflation makes it harder to buy a home.
00:25:13.000Inflation makes it harder to get married and have kids.
00:27:25.000So every month, you can say, anything that you can adjust your rates and you have the same basic structural overhead, you do really well in inflation.
00:27:35.000So people that own property and rent it out, they just make a killing in inflation.
00:27:38.000Now, who doesn't do well in inflation is people that have to buy substantial amounts of hard products, such as restaurants or fast food chains, and those prices go up by 20, 30%, and everything gets messed up.
00:27:50.000Therefore, you go to a local bar here in Boulder and I saw it.
00:27:59.000And so a very simple way, and this needs to be demanded by every single person, is a clear message of Washington, D.C. is stop spending money you don't have, get closer to a balanced budget, and slow this down.
00:28:11.000And I will say it's a moral injustice happening in America.
00:28:14.000So inflation, I get so fired up about this.
00:28:16.000I know it's not a topic people like, but the reason I don't, I get so angry about inflation is it by definition punishes good moral behavior.
00:28:24.000So what is a good thing that you were told, hopefully, growing up from your parents?
00:28:56.000And without you ever approving it, it violated the moral principle that we in America are supposed to have, which is consent to the government.
00:29:03.000Now, if there was a massive ballot referendum that said, yes, I want a 15% price hike and that won in a ballot referendum, then I think I'd be a little less fired up.
00:29:12.00099% of Americans, well, they should have known in their political choices previously, it's a separate topic though, is they had no idea, despite them making the right choices.
00:29:22.000Society properly organized will reward people that do the right thing and punish people that do the wrong thing.
00:29:31.000But inflation, people get so frenetic, they're like, wow, I have this money in my bank account.
00:29:35.000I can't keep saving it because I'm losing 13% year over year.
00:29:38.000And so I think it's a massive moral injustice.
00:29:41.000And before anyone tries to over-politicize this, I'm going to be very honest.
00:29:44.000It's both political parties that are to blame for our fiscal and our monetary policy in our country.
00:29:49.000It's both political parties that have spent trillions of dollars we do not have to get you guys into debt to hyper-inflate our way out of it.
00:29:55.000And so now we're at this circumstance where people say, you know, what's the solution?
00:29:59.000Well, unfortunately, when you kind of get on the sugar high, which we have, inflation is a sugar high, you're only left with a couple options.
00:31:10.000In order to be a citizen, you of course need to have legal standing as a citizen.
00:31:14.000But I also believe, and I will argue, that citizenship is also a cultural issue, that if you bring too many people into your country too quickly and there is no assimilation, in fact, there's an effort to not assimilate, then you're no longer a country, you're a colony.
00:31:26.000And so what we're seeing happen on the southern border, if it keeps up, if it continues, one out of five people in America will be illegal in the next three years.
00:32:24.000And so, again, the problem to kind of tie this all together is that people are afraid to say that because they're afraid of being called all these awful names like racist or whatever, all these sorts of things.
00:32:42.0001.2 million green cards issued every single year, plus 3 million illegal people coming across the border.
00:32:48.000And if Title 42 is repealed, it's a very wonky issue, which is basically a health thing that allowed us to deport more people in the last two years under a COVID thing on the southern border.
00:32:59.000If that gets repealed, okay, you're going to see 5 million people come across the southern border this summer.
00:33:16.000You guys can have your own opinions about that, but I actually have a mandate to defend like this country.
00:33:22.000And I think that every leader should as well.
00:33:24.000And when they don't sprint to the House floor or the Senate floor to go vote for $14 billion to go secure our southern border, which is desperately needed, we do not have the agents to fulfill what's happening on the southern border.
00:33:34.000I say that your priorities are all mixed up.
00:33:36.000Like, I'm not going to call you any of the bad names that people call, but I'm also, I have a lot of doubt about you as a political leader in both parties, if you prioritize the needs and wants and interests of a foreign country over actually our own nation, especially when we are heading in the direction that we are heading on our southern border.
00:34:24.000Those of you that have influence over this university financially that might sit on whatever board, you need to stand up for these students because what I'm understanding, like student portals being held hostage, I want to speak out of turn.
00:34:34.000You guys could talk about it, but it's a very serious issue where we think to ourselves, wait a second, we're now forcing a 21-year-old who's paying us tuition to go get a medical vaccine where it does not prevent infection, okay?
00:34:46.000How many times do you have to read this just like nausea-invoking, cringe-inducing tweet every week?
00:35:15.000It's super creepy and weird that we're now telling people what to do with their deeply personal medical decisions, especially young people at this now two-year phase.
00:35:23.000And so let me just say again, thank you, CU Boulder, for having me.
00:35:26.000But CU Boulder, you should be ashamed of forcing kids to get the vaccine against their will.
00:35:30.000It is categorically and morally wrong.
00:35:35.000All right, so let's do some questions as we line up.
00:35:40.000So, a couple ground rules for the questions.
00:35:42.000We want to do questions, not statements.
00:35:44.000We reserve the right to interrupt and pull the mic.
00:35:47.000This is obviously a predominant center-right audience, right?
00:35:51.000If someone who disagrees, and it's obvious they disagree, the questions will be over there.
00:36:22.000So I started a turning point chapter recently at my high school, and I got a huge turnout, like 60 people stuffed in one room.
00:36:30.000And so, and a lot of those people were there to protest, and they brought up all of these claims about like turning point you, Candace Owens, like whatever.
00:36:37.000And I knew it was like, this is definitely false.
00:37:59.000And then finally, don't let it get you down.
00:38:01.000What you're doing at a high school level, starting a Turning Point USA group, is making a phenomenal, long-lasting change in the trajectory of your generation.
00:38:09.000And the fact is, it puts them immediately on defense.
00:38:12.000Like, really, it's the best you can do is like read a bunch of New York Times snippets about Turning Point USA.
00:38:16.000Like, here's the thing: Turning Point USA, we are a diverse organization.
00:38:46.000My question is about the fact that the founding fathers never envisioned the size and power of the unelected bureaucracy in Washington, D.C.
00:38:56.000These are the people that are there for decades.
00:39:00.000There's corruption throughout the government.
00:39:02.000What practical changes can we hope to make when we get the White House back to stop that corruption and the usurping of power from the legislature that these bureaucratic departments have taken?
00:39:26.000I don't know how many times I have to keep on repeating that.
00:39:28.000We are not a democracy, but to have a republic over this landmass and this many different types of people is very, very difficult to sustain.
00:39:37.000Well, first, I'll talk less about the White House side of it, which I think whoever ends up being president after this, boy, is there a mandate to clean out the FBI and the CIA and the Department of Justice?
00:40:36.000My advice, for whatever it's worth, is stop focusing so much on DC and start focusing on your city council, on your local town, because right now we're seeing a trend for the smaller the government, the more popular for the people.
00:40:51.000You're seeing it all across the world, okay?
00:40:52.000Brexit was kind of a beginning step of this.
00:40:56.000There are more countries in the U.S. country and the U.N. country registry than there were even 10 years ago.
00:41:02.000People are now saying, I want to just govern myself.
00:41:04.000I want to be North Macedonian instead of just Macedonia.
00:41:07.000Now, I'm not saying that America is going to secede or be splintered up.
00:41:10.000What I'm saying is we're already kind of living in different Americas.
00:41:13.000And you're fooling yourself if that's not the case.
00:41:15.000If you think that the average Oklahoman has something in common besides a unified currency with the average person in Berkeley, California, where I'm going tomorrow, you're fooling themselves.
00:44:11.000I think that young people are told to take classes that have no relevancy to their own degree.
00:44:15.000So let me ask you: have you taken classes that just you think are kind of a waste of time, or do you think it's all just been phenomenally meaningful?
00:44:21.000I feel like it's a step in like the right career, right?
00:44:25.000You get the right amount of like technical skills and also the right amount of soft skills necessary for the career that you're going into.
00:44:33.000And I feel like saying that people shouldn't be enrolling in college is actively saying that some people just don't deserve to go to college.
00:44:40.000And I don't feel like that's not saying that at all.
00:44:42.000I mean, I think college makes you poorer, makes you less happy, and less likely to flourish.
00:44:47.000Let me ask a question: show of hands in the room.
00:44:58.000Like, if I was a, if I was a financial regulator, I would, this is like Bernie Madoff stuff, man.
00:45:05.000It's like every question I ask, yep, I know people that dropped out.
00:45:07.000Yep, I took classes that don't have any relevance to your degree.
00:45:10.000And so the question is: what is the purpose of college, right?
00:45:13.000So if every college like Hillsdale College, I'd probably agree with you.
00:45:16.000If you guys are studying Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, getting deep into the classics, rejecting postmodernism, understanding the beauty of the American founding, then so be it.
00:45:25.000But like, if we have to have these like extended discussions of like Jacques Derrida and Michelle Foucault and black-only dormitories and what is critical theory, you guys are getting ripped off.
00:45:35.000And I believe firmly that, so what is the market response first and foremost?
00:45:40.000Get a massive, and this might be wishful thinking, get a massive portion of the population not to go to college, go into technical schools, learn to work with their hands and value muscular labor again in our country, which muscular labor is insulted, talked down to, and I could prove it to you.
00:45:54.000Go to a suburban family, anyone, maybe in Cherry Creek or in Centennial or whatever.
00:45:58.000If you go to a regular suburban family, if you've got a mom in private, she'll say, I just don't want my kid to work construction.
00:46:06.000No matter what, I don't want my kid to sweat for a living.
00:46:08.000And okay, that has created a hyper-educated, very unwise generation that's super in debt and has pieces of paper and they mean absolutely nothing, right?
00:46:17.000So it's a generation that has borrowed money they don't have to study things that don't matter, to find jobs that don't exist.
00:46:23.000So to answer your question, the whole thing's a racket from how we get young people from high school to try to go to college and all this.
00:46:29.000We need to disrupt it completely, end federal subsidies, end state subsidies, make college support themselves on the own on their own.
00:46:37.000So make colleges go raise their own donor money for the, like, for example, if like feminist queer theory is super important to you, fine, go raise the money and support it on your own, right?
00:46:46.000Don't ask the taxpayer to underwrite that.
00:46:47.000And by the way, you look at Europe, just to finish the point, they're getting away from woke universities.
00:46:53.000France has actually decreed, Emmanuel Macron ran on this.
00:46:56.000He said that we need to try to reject American woke ideology that is seeping into French institutions.
00:47:02.000So to kind of use your own example, Europe's rejecting the very same thing that I believe has infected American higher education.
00:49:16.000That's what I'm graduating in this spring.
00:49:19.000But so I would like to ask you regarding a logical fallacy that I've, sorry.
00:49:29.000The idea of the slippery slope has largely been invalidated in conversations, especially today.
00:49:38.000But I think one axiom that I've seen propagated throughout multiple mediums is that of went from let us get married to now we want to teach sexuality to your elementary schoolers.
00:49:57.000And don't get me wrong, I don't care what you do with your life as long as it doesn't impact my life and those around me.
00:50:04.000I like to consider myself an open-minded individual, but once you impede on my stuff, that's when I start to get a little, don't tread on me.
00:50:12.000So I'm very curious as to your perception with regards to the idea of the fallacy.
00:50:24.000And if someone were to use that is a logical fallacy against you, how would you refute that?
00:51:07.000I could give you one, like seatbelt laws.
00:51:09.000It stopped and it got kind of annoying, but it was kind of, it just kind of slowed down, right?
00:51:13.000That doesn't, that's not the same thing as saying, though, that slippery slopes have not happened and they will continue to happen, right?
00:51:19.000For example, in New York, they started with like, oh, we want abortions to be safe, legal, and rare.
00:51:24.000And then it's like, oh, we want late-term abortions.
00:51:26.000And now it's like we're entertaining post-birth abortions, which is what they're entertaining in California, where you can have abortion up to post-birth in Colorado?
00:52:09.000And now it goes to we want to teach five-year-olds about very graphic sex education.
00:52:13.000It's like, wow, we went a long way from just wanting people to have equal rights with marriage to now going to five-year-olds.
00:52:19.000Now, the reason why they'll call it a logical fallacy is because you could not scientifically apply it that way or mathematically, because it wasn't assuredly going to be a sipperly slope, but there still exists.
00:52:30.000So I would encourage you to kind of push back on and add some nuance to that, right?
00:52:35.000And it's one of the most insane things.
00:52:37.000Like study the history of the Soviet Union and tell me slippery slopes don't exist, right?
00:53:31.000Acceptance being that, you know, society, you know, you know, accepts that, doesn't try to change that, doesn't try to say that it's not a social, like it's not a good thing for you to be gay.
00:53:41.000It's not a good thing for you to be trans.
00:53:42.000And, you know, in our institutions also just offering them resources to, you know, just come to terms with their sexuality, not feel bad about it.
00:53:52.000Basically, by acceptance, I generally mean society shouldn't make people feel bad about who they are.
00:54:33.000So if you believe in absolute truth, shouldn't we have absolute terms of what a infant-bearing or infant-birthing person is, otherwise known as a woman?
00:55:28.000Because there's scientific research supporting that gender identity is something that is, you know, like, there's scientific research that supports people and says that if you identify as a certain gender, then that is like your gender.
00:55:43.000There's this paper on Scientific American that I found very interesting that said, like, you know, it has to do with like your brain formation in the womb where gender identity forms, but it's different from sex.
00:55:52.000That's very different from a disorder where you say, I'm not actually my age.
00:56:09.000Gender dysphoria is when you're very uncomfortable with your own body, and that usually relates to gender, and that can usually be treated if you choose a transition to...
00:57:32.000Tens of thousands of cases every single year.
00:57:37.000So basically, if you believe in absolute truth, which you say you do, why wouldn't you believe in absolute truth when it comes to chromosomal structure?
00:57:46.000Because gender and chromosomal sex are two different things.
00:58:04.000Did you find a moral problem with the University of Pennsylvania swimmer changing from a man to a woman and winning the NCAA championship, defeating other women?
00:58:13.000Well, I'm not familiar, but I'm pretty sure that the NCAA has some rules that makes it so people who transition have like, you know, kind of a competitive fair thing.
00:58:21.000So I haven't done much research into those rules, but let me set you up to speed.
00:58:26.000460 second best male swimmer, best female swimmer, NCAA champion.
00:59:42.000And it's incumbent on men who have higher testosterone levels, who are physically stronger, to protect women against the exploitation of men who think they are women.
00:59:51.000That's a moral question and a moral claim.
01:00:24.000We agree on a lot of stuff, but there's a couple of things we might disagree on, like secession and various things like that.
01:00:31.000But really coming here, I wanted to, I guess, ask you, a guy like me, young guy, what, and I think there's a lot of people in the room that probably asked this exact same question who are more leaning on the right.
01:00:47.000What can we do to help push the country in the direction that we want to see it?
01:00:55.000Because I don't feel like voting is doing it for us.
01:01:32.000Now, that doesn't excuse us from what I believe holding these current businesses accountable, like Disney, which has become a child predator operation, right?
01:01:40.000And so it's inexcusable what Disney has.
01:01:44.000And what really frustrates me about Disney, just as a side small detour, is that they made billions being the safe haven for families for years.
01:01:52.000And then they turn around and they use that against.
01:03:16.000Like, only in America can you do really gritty, awesome things.
01:03:20.000Like, and I'm living proof of this, right?
01:03:21.000I started Turning Point USA 10 years ago when I was 18 years old in the suburbs of Chicago, no money, no connections, no idea what I was doing.
01:03:28.000We're now on thousands of high school and college campuses across the country, over 250 people on staff.
01:03:33.000I now have a podcast, a radio show, all this.
01:03:35.000I look around, I'm like, only in America could a kid who didn't go to college, who no one believed in, and then people started to, and amazing generosity followed.
01:04:14.000Because here's the thing: we're dealing with an incredibly suppressive and negative force over our country right now, right?
01:04:20.000They want you to think that our country is going to fall apart.
01:04:22.000And like, I just went through all the things wrong, okay?
01:04:24.000But what are the risks we're going to take to make the country better?
01:04:27.000And one of those are building better families, building bigger businesses, you know, better businesses, leaning into our local community, helping our local church.
01:04:34.000Those are things that last regardless of the criminality of our political class, which I think you and I could have a lot of fun talking about.
01:05:01.000So absolute chaos and all that kind of stuff with George Floyd.
01:05:05.000When we announced lockdowns, one of my friends got raped right before it.
01:05:08.000What do you think that did to her mental health?
01:05:11.000Then a bunch of my friends, I had three commit suicide over quarantine.
01:05:15.000I had multiple others get raped over quarantine.
01:05:19.000And all of this is because Tacoma, Seattle, Olympia, they all take over the entire state.
01:05:24.000What do you think of a proposed system where if only 41% of the state votes Democrat and 59 votes Republican, that that state puts 59% of the electoral votes into the electoral college and 41% of the electoral codes?
01:06:51.000It's like, I support the principle of self-government.
01:06:56.000I think that's a moral good and a necessity.
01:06:58.000When self-government starts to become unrealistic, for example, Seattle just terrorizes the rest of the state, then you got to start entertaining other creative, peaceful options, which is, look, we've had states break.
01:07:10.000You ever see how weird some of these states are?
01:07:11.000Happen all across our, we don't cover that a lot, right?
01:07:14.000Like, how are these states actually formed?
01:07:16.000Like, very few states are like Wyoming, which is like a perfect square, right?
01:07:20.000Like, a lot of these states are like a total mess, and it's either on a river or it's just kind of like, well, we used to, for example, a great, you should go look up the Northwest Territory used to be Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, and it was just basically they formed it on the rivers and they fought over it and they gave Ohio more.
01:07:36.000And it was this idea that you have to always live in the same state you do, it's somewhat of a modern idea that I think we should challenge.
01:07:43.000And I think it would be a very good thing and healthy thing.
01:07:45.000And I think it would also push back against some of the tyranny and give people kind of an escape hatch.
01:07:49.000Like, wait, I could still live in, you know, Pullman.
01:07:51.000Well, Pullman, Washington's a bunch of crazy people.
01:07:53.000But like, I could live outside of Pullman, Washington, right, and not have to leave.
01:07:57.000So I'm a big believer in self-government.
01:09:02.000And I think that what's hilarious, though, I don't know your political persuasion, but I will say that the left has used Citizen United way more than the political right has.
01:09:11.000When Mark Zuckerberg can put $400 million into an election to change the way we count votes, like that's a problem.
01:09:18.000And so I used to be a purist on Citizens United.
01:09:20.000Now, there's one carve-out that I will pause in Citizens United, which is I think we can all agree that there would be an over criminalization or over-regulation of political speech.
01:09:30.000For example, so just you know, Citizens United, if you guys don't know, was a law issue came out like 2012, 13, 14, which was, should there be limits on political contributions?
01:09:40.000And so what won Clarence Thomas and Scalia, I think, was alive at the time, over was that the people that were trying to say no, they answered this question pretty scary.
01:09:50.000And I got to be honest, this is what makes me pause.
01:09:52.000They said, if a book was written negatively about Hillary Clinton, would that be considered political speech?
01:10:15.000I think when Jeff Bezos or Mark Zuckerberg or Bill Gates can parachute in with $250 million and change the direction of election, I don't think that's healthy for the country.
01:10:24.000And the labor unions to the other side, I mean, you look at the Google people and Zuckerberg, I think that's wrong.
01:10:29.000The way you regulate it is trickier, though, right?
01:10:32.000So I just made a moral claim, but the actual regulation of this is a lot more complicated because then all of a sudden we'll go to, okay, if you, like, for example, Dinesh D'Souza comes out with a movie against Joe Biden, is that a political commercial?
01:10:49.000And that was the question that the court ended up deciding on.
01:10:52.000And so I would be probably in the camp of keeping it as it is if it were mean that people like me and like even Rachel Maddow would have to all of a sudden have her, you know, news brought news broadcast, you know, censored.
01:11:04.000So that's the way I'd answer that question.
01:11:06.000But to answer the final, this idea that oligarchs can control the future of our elections, I think is completely wrong, and I would stand against it.
01:11:49.000How do conservative commentators and the conservative movement fight this mythological warfare they wage when us, as conservatives, can't even agree on whether we believe in anthropogenic or nuclear is the answer?
01:12:20.000That's basically the essence of your question right like, how do we create counter narratives that we all agree on?
01:12:25.000We don't have a party line, so yeah, so the first thing is, is that the easiest way to create a counter narrative is thankfully, the insanity of the other side?
01:12:32.000So they're doing a lot of it for us and i'll explain what I mean.
01:12:34.000But the second part is, I completely agree and i'll kind of elaborate on the struggle.
01:12:38.000The first thing is, I believe this woke stuff is so unbelievably stupid.
01:12:57.000All this garbage, right, like that's the stuff where normal everyday people especially Hispanic voters, by the way um, which you're seeing the biggest shift in they're like.
01:13:20.000Hate communism, hate the Soviet Union.
01:13:22.000Libertarians got along with conservatives, anarchists got along with whatever.
01:13:25.000Everyone got along because we hate the Soviet Union.
01:13:27.000You're starting to see a little bit that spirit renewed right now.
01:13:29.000If you kind of see like we like even the people that are like Charlie might disagree with you on, like i'm a libertarian, but I hate the woke left, let's fight them.
01:13:43.000It's like what happens when you win, what happens when you govern.
01:13:46.000So here's my, here's my standard opinion, without getting abstract in the theory, I have a test case now, a three and a half year test case, of what I believe a conservative looks like, Ron De Santis.
01:13:57.000Ron De Santis is what a conservative looks like, and so we don't have to overthink it.
01:14:04.000I think that's a unifying thing right, so we can go through it like, why, banning critical race theory, not allowing kids to be taught this garbage in schools?
01:14:25.000I think we have to elevate and reward the people that do it in tough places and do it with articulation and charisma, and I would argue Ron De Santis has been probably America's greatest governor in the last 30 years, and I I I, I can't even think of a governor even close to it.
01:14:40.000Truly, so we got to get to some other questions.
01:14:49.000So given the recent targeting of right-wing activists by the FBI, such as the mistreatment of the January 6th prisoners and the failed attempt at entrapping militia members into a plot to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, would you support defunding the FBI or even having it dissolved due to its politically motivated attacks on right-wingers?
01:15:43.000They call moms and dads who show up to school board meetings domestic terrorists.
01:15:47.000Like, excuse me, you shouldn't get another red cent from the federal budget again if you're targeting moms and dads and you can't even bother looking at the southern border and what's happening there.
01:16:30.000I'm not even going to pretend to tell you how.
01:16:32.000But the more we talk about like, wow, the people with the guns are the ones that are willing to call moms and dads domestic terrorists.
01:16:40.000What you just talked about in Michigan should be the front page of every newspaper, where you have people that were entrapped by the federal Bureau of Investigation for political reasons for election interference right before the election.
01:16:52.000They all got acquitted, where they had no intent to kidnap Governor Whitmer, and they almost had their whole life thrown away for, I don't want to, people said they did nothing wrong.
01:17:27.000You proposed that securing our borders will help this situation, but I also think that our green card slash citizenship problem processes a problem.
01:17:36.000So how do you suggest that we make it easier for people who want to get in this country legally to do that?
01:17:53.000We have way too many people coming into America.
01:17:55.000We got to throttle back and digest the meal.
01:17:57.000We got to allow assimilation to happen.
01:18:00.000We have way too many people coming into America.
01:18:02.000Now, that's not saying legal immigration shouldn't go up again.
01:18:05.000I think it could be a phenomenal asset to America, and it has been a phenomenal asset.
01:18:09.000But many times in American history, specifically the 1950s and early 1960s, we ratcheted back to almost zero immigration into America.
01:18:17.000The reason is post-World War II, of course, there was a lot of damage in other places, but there was plenty of people that wanted to come to America in the 1950s, a ton.
01:18:28.000But they said, we have a moral obligation to World War II veterans to make sure they have good wages, good jobs, and we're going to deliver for them.
01:18:36.000And so legal immigration should always be viewed to the prism.
01:18:39.000Does it benefit the country and the citizens that are already here?
01:18:43.000Currently, our legal immigration system is so messed up that we prioritize the people that don't share Western values, and we don't bring the people that could potentially share Western values.
01:19:14.000And when you come into this country and you have someone like Elon Omar that talks endlessly about how awful America is, despite being a beneficiary of the generosity and benevolence of America, I say there's something fundamentally wrong with that, right?
01:19:28.000Now, I contrast that with some amazing immigrants that come here legally that learn the pledge and they mesh beautifully into American society.
01:20:38.000It's true and someone needs to say it.
01:20:40.000And opening your borders, say anyone can come for any reason whatsoever, regardless if they speak the language, regardless that they agree with Western values, regardless of their belief in the Constitution is wrong.
01:20:49.000And it's destroying the country from within.
01:20:53.000You have Elon Omar elected to public office.
01:20:55.000She is the mascot for an immigration moratorium.
01:20:58.000You see her, you're like, there's something wrong with that.
01:21:00.000She has nothing but negative, vile, mean things to say about America when she was rescued in a Kenyan refugee camp and brought in by our own benevolence.
01:21:09.000Our generosity has been taken advantage over the last 20 years.
01:21:42.000If we fill this bag with a pound of fentanyl, that would kill 198,000 people.
01:21:48.000We collected 12,000 pounds at the southern border.
01:21:53.000Colorado's the second highest state for drug overdoses from fentanyl.
01:22:01.000And we have 57 state Democrats just passed the most expansive abortion bill in the country, allowing us to abort a baby right up until like one minute before they're born.
01:22:31.000You got to wage war against the environmentalists because you're not able to build enough homes.
01:22:34.000I guarantee you that's happening in Denver.
01:22:36.000It's absolutely happening in California and it's happening in Arizona.
01:22:39.000The environmentalists want to have less new development because they think it disenfranchises some weird bird no one's ever heard of, right?
01:22:45.000And so we need to build more homes and we have to build them quickly.
01:22:48.000And we have a huge housing crisis in our country, the likes of which we have not seen in a long period of time.
01:22:53.000But I believe that we need to build horizontally, not vertically.
01:23:21.000If you're on the 32nd floor renting, not owning, if you're not in the weeds and in the yard and understanding what it takes to grow food and to maintain the land, are you going to be more or less likely to actually be a conservative?
01:23:32.000The higher the building, every single study shows they become more liberal over time.
01:23:35.000It's happening in Phoenix, happened in Denver, happened in Atlanta, happened in Dallas, happened in Chicago, happened everywhere, and yet few people actually say that out loud.
01:23:47.000If someone said like fentanyl can help you with something, if you can articulate that for me tonight, what fentanyl helps you with, my mind will be blown.
01:24:41.000Over the last two years during COVID, I've gotten more into politics and just realizing how important that is in my life.
01:24:47.000As a Christian, I have friends that don't quite understand the gender ideology debate and how to interact with people of that community while being loving, but also being a fan of absolute truth.
01:25:09.000And I think that we should tell people that suicide rates are extremely high for people that transition.
01:25:14.000There's 30,000 plus people in an open Facebook book, group, open Facebook group, I should say, that are regretting their transition and wish they could reverse it.
01:25:53.000But especially when you look at children and then children without parental consent and then children without parental consent funded by the government, like what are we doing here?
01:26:00.000So how do we talk about this as Christians?
01:26:01.000We should want the best for everybody.
01:26:03.000I pray that someone who's struggling with gender dysphoria can have a collision course with Jesus Christ and give their life to the Lord and realize that they have been living a lie.
01:26:47.000All right, if we allow people to do whatever they want to do whenever they want to do it, then we wouldn't have public decency laws.
01:26:52.000But they're getting rid of those too, by the way.
01:26:53.000Like, you know, public nudity is allowed in San Francisco, which is like, of course, like the biggest problem, I guess, they're facing.
01:26:58.000I don't know, to allow people to walk around that way.
01:27:01.000So, look, it all comes down to the question of what is love, right?
01:27:04.000So, we as Christians understand there's four different types of love in the Greek, right?
01:27:09.000Eros agape, storge, and phileo, a brotherly love, a father and son love, or a mother and son love, or a fatherly, a kind of parental love, right?
01:27:18.000A romantic love, or a sacrificial love, right?
01:27:20.000And we conflate all those in the Western world all the time.
01:27:23.000I believe firmly, and you look at the transition regret, and it will take your breath away at how many people wish they did not transition.
01:27:32.000So, what happens is they get a transition and they're happy for like five years, and it goes off a cliff completely.
01:27:38.000All the psychological data shows that.
01:27:40.000So, the question really is, you know, Charlie, what do you think our role is this?
01:27:47.000You want, like, it's not my business, right?
01:27:49.000However, don't ask me to now reconfigure society that's worked pretty brilliantly for the last 2,000 years because of your own personal opinion.
01:27:56.000That is pandering to a hyper-vocal minority that will never be appeased.
01:28:29.000Earlier, you mentioned the U.S. turning into the Soviet Union.
01:28:32.000Given the meteoric rise of anti-white and anti-American rhetoric in left-wing circles, do you believe this language is being used with the intent to turn everyday Americans into kulaks?
01:28:45.000So a kulak was a farmer in the 1930s that owned like an acre of land in the Soviet Union.
01:28:52.000And they were once friends of the regime, of the Stalin regime, and immediately they became enemies, where anyone that owned land immediately got thrown to gulags and thrown to all sorts of different types of areas.
01:30:17.000And in 1970, he had a social prime minister by the name of Olaf Palm, who led a immigrant, in other words, Finland, from Somalia, from Iraq.
01:30:29.000And the Malays could not be assimilated into Swedish society.
01:30:34.000They form ghettos and it backfired on Olaf Palm.
01:30:37.000He was assassinated by some male immigrant.
01:30:58.000And I think we need to take a pause to allow this mass influx of people into America an opportunity to assimilate and to see whether or not this is actually benefiting the American citizen, the American worker.
01:31:09.000What you talk about in Sweden is absolutely true.
01:31:10.000The Swedish Democrats, which is the conservative party in Sweden, is there set for a huge electoral landslide because of mass immigration.
01:31:52.000I'm going to say things that are true.
01:31:54.000I personally, visiting Colorado my whole life, the moment you legalize weed, this place becomes messier, dirtier, less enjoyable the minute that you guys legalize weed.
01:32:04.000However, that's not the question, right?
01:32:06.000I don't know enough about psychedelic drugs or their potential therapeutic sort of benefits.
01:32:12.000I will say, ketamine therapy, which is intravenously administered, is a type of psychedelic.
01:32:18.000And there's some phenomenal data to show that ketamine therapy, given intravenously, can help people with alcohol addiction, depression, anxiety.
01:32:26.000So in a controlled medical environment, I actually support the introduction of some of these, but that's not like some people will say like LSD.
01:32:34.000I think that's all a bunch of garbage.
01:32:35.000But ketamine in particular is technically a psychedelic, which is a very, very promising new kind of thing on the block, if you will, that's helping people break through depression, anxiety, and all of that.
01:32:45.000But I think we got to be really careful going too far east, if you will, into some of this stuff.
01:32:49.000I know people's lives that have been so damaged by ayahuasca.
01:33:24.000So now that we have liberal institutions like the New York Times recognizing its veracity, I think we know the content.
01:33:33.000Hunter Biden receiving $4.8 million in consulting fees from a Chinese company and being part of a being a board member in Burisma, receiving $80,000 a month for a job that he's not qualified.
01:33:47.000I was wondering, since you do a podcast, you're in contact with a lot of politicians and a lot of people active in the Republican movement.
01:33:55.000I was wondering if, you know, given the trends that we see electorally, it does seem that the Republican Party is to win the House and the Senate back this upcoming election cycle.
01:34:09.000I was wondering, what is the possibility that there isn't going to be a special counsel, a redux of the Mueller situation, if that does happen in this upcoming cycle?
01:34:41.000And that's a reason why they are now resurrecting or it's not resurrecting.
01:34:45.000They're accelerating this probe that was kind of on the fringes.
01:34:48.000Look, the New York Times and CNN and all these news outlets didn't just come to one day say, you know what, we really messed up.
01:34:55.000And we, no, they did it because there's a commandment that's been given from the interagency communication channels of people who actually went our government, like Barack Obama and Valerie Jarrett and these other people, where they got to be able to check and balance Biden.
01:35:08.000My personal opinion, they're going to use the Hunter Biden probe that very well might implicate Joe Biden criminally as a way to get him not to run for a second term.
01:35:16.000I don't think he was going to run anyway, but this is the way they can keep him in the box and either transition power to Kamala Harris eventually or have someone like Michelle Obama run.
01:35:25.000It's not a problem that's getting better anytime soon.
01:35:27.000So, and people don't give up power easily.
01:35:30.000So they have to use the same deep state that spied on Trump, that went after Trump, the same deep state now to check and balance Biden to make sure that he's going to be completely obedient and not run for a second term.
01:35:40.000We know that these people committed massive crimes.
01:37:09.000Like, am I going to continue to conform and to kind of live in secret or in quiet?
01:37:14.000Or did I hear something tonight that might compel me to be an outspoken conservative, libertarian, whatever patriot to fight for the country?
01:37:21.000Turning Point USA, we're doing that every single day.
01:37:24.000We have our Young Women's Leadership Summit, Biological Women Only, tpusa.com/slash YWLS.
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01:37:34.000I want to thank our amazing hosts that help make this happen.
01:37:38.000It's very difficult to do this on a college campus.
01:37:40.000Finally, if you guys want to rewatch this, you could do it on our YouTube rumble or subscribe to my personal podcast.
01:37:46.000I feel the rise of the citizen all across the country, everybody.
01:37:49.000Normal, everyday people of all ages, all backgrounds, all races are rising up in a meaningful and impactful way to take back what is rightfully theirs and ours, which is the country.
01:38:03.000And if we keep on fighting and press forward, we're going to see some amazing results and we're going to see this country back to where it belongs.