The Charlie Kirk Show - Queer Theory and the Abolition of Normal with James Lindsay LIVE from SAS

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00:00:50.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:52.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.

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00:01:02.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:01:11.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:01:20.000 That's why we are here.

00:01:22.000 With me is Dr. James Lindsay.

00:01:25.000 He is extraordinary.

00:01:27.000 Dr. Lindsay is the world's expert on all things, critical race theory, postmodernism, queer theory, all of these ideas that are being put in the classroom.

00:01:39.000 He is an expert on it.

00:01:41.000 And so we're going to go deep in this conversation.

00:01:43.000 We're going to get into the philosophical roots of what is destroying our country.

00:01:47.000 And Dr. Lindsay is the author of two books, Race Marxism, and also Cynical Theories with Dr. Pluck Rose.

00:01:55.000 James, welcome back to SAS.

00:01:58.000 Thanks for having me, Charlie.

00:01:59.000 It's fun to be at your right.

00:02:01.000 Exactly.

00:02:02.000 That's right.

00:02:03.000 James used to say he was a liberal, but I don't know if that's the case anymore.

00:02:08.000 So James, walk our audience through.

00:02:10.000 Let's just start with the basics.

00:02:11.000 What is critical race theory and what is so dangerous about it?

00:02:16.000 Critical race theory is a disaster.

00:02:19.000 To paraphrase the president, critical race theory is calling everything you want to control racist until you control it.

00:02:26.000 It's really that simple.

00:02:28.000 It is the idea that the organizing principle of society is racism, created by white people to benefit white people.

00:02:35.000 And everything in society is organized to operate around that.

00:02:38.000 So what you are dealing with then is a Marxist theory of race, which is why I called the book Race Marxism.

00:02:43.000 Yeah, so why is it so dangerous?

00:02:45.000 The critics will say we need to be anti-racist.

00:02:49.000 Why shouldn't we teach our five-year-old about race?

00:02:52.000 I mean, so this is the thing.

00:02:53.000 I actually just got harassed by a journalist from the Daily Dot.

00:02:57.000 We'll call it journalist from the Daily Dot, who was saying, well, why shouldn't we educate our kids about LGBTQ people existing?

00:03:04.000 And it was like, you're misusing, first of all, you're talking about the wrong subject.

00:03:07.000 And second of all, you're misusing the word educate.

00:03:09.000 The goal isn't actually to educate five-year-olds or anybody about race or to become an actual person against racism, which is what you would think anti-racism means.

00:03:17.000 It means that you're going to become a revolutionary for their cause.

00:03:20.000 And what's so dangerous about teaching five-year-olds to be revolutionaries is that they grow up.

00:03:24.000 Like Vladimir Lenin said many years ago, about 100 years ago, that if you give me your child for four years, I'll plant a seed so deep you'll never pull it out when it grows.

00:03:34.000 So the danger of teaching our kids about race the way they want to teach kids about race, not to teach kids about race, period, is that you're going to turn them into revolutionaries whose goal is that when somebody like George Floyd dies on TV, they're going to take to the streets and start destroying cities.

00:03:48.000 That's the objective.

00:03:49.000 Yeah, and so, James, they'll say, though, that racism is normative.

00:03:54.000 Everybody is racist, and we just don't know it.

00:03:57.000 What is so wrong about that presupposition?

00:04:01.000 I mean, first of all, it's just blatantly false.

00:04:04.000 But second of all, it's obvious that they're talking about themselves.

00:04:06.000 A lot of people do this.

00:04:08.000 Friedrich Nietzsche, a long time ago, said that, you know, about 100 and some odd years ago, he wrote, he said, most philosophers don't actually do philosophy.

00:04:14.000 They just rationalize their own pathologies.

00:04:17.000 So these people come out and say, there's a meme.

00:04:19.000 It's like with Sigmund Freud, you know, he's all the whole thing about the Oedipus complex with that.

00:04:23.000 And he's like, there's a meme which shows Sigmund Freud sitting there, you know, doing the thinking face. 0.97

00:04:27.000 And he says, it's not that I want to have sex with my mother. 0.99

00:04:31.000 It's that everybody wants to have sex with their mothers. 0.99

00:04:33.000 So what they're doing is they're talking about what they think. 0.99

00:04:35.000 They are racist. 0.92

00:04:36.000 It's obvious that they are racist. 0.99

00:04:38.000 We had the other president of the United States, the one that's currently not in the White House, but in Delaware, talking about how black people don't know how to use computers. 0.98

00:04:46.000 We have his wife talking about Latinx people, which is not a thing. 0.92

00:04:52.000 Tacos?

00:04:52.000 That they're tacos.

00:04:53.000 Like, awesome.

00:04:55.000 Like, you can see what's going on here.

00:04:58.000 They are talking about themselves.

00:05:00.000 And so they can say whatever they want.

00:05:02.000 They can tell whatever lies, get them through the day, but it's just not true.

00:05:07.000 The average American knows that they're not racist, that we're not all complicit in some system of racism.

00:05:12.000 Most of us don't think about it, except that they keep forcing us to.

00:05:15.000 So I want to continue to define terms.

00:05:17.000 Throughout this conference, a lot of people have been using the term woke.

00:05:21.000 Where did that term come from?

00:05:23.000 And just for everyone's purposes, so we can have defined upon agreed upon terms, what does that actually mean?

00:05:30.000 Oh, man.

00:05:30.000 So the term, I mean, it's an old slang term.

00:05:33.000 I think it probably started in the 60s alongside being hip.

00:05:36.000 Is that right?

00:05:36.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:05:37.000 I think it started then, but it became popularized in an Erica Badou song called Master Teacher in 2008.

00:05:42.000 And then it became kind of a watchword for mostly urban youth, I think the skew predominantly black and Hispanic, that, you know, you got to watch out. 1.00

00:05:51.000 You got to be woke to the fact that the cops are patrolling us, et cetera.

00:05:54.000 There's the kind of undertone of the song.

00:05:58.000 And so they adopted this with the Black Lives Matter movement.

00:06:00.000 We got to be woke to what's happening.

00:06:01.000 We've got to be woke to what's happening.

00:06:02.000 We've got to be woke to what's happening.

00:06:04.000 And it became kind of this signifier of this critical race mentality with talking about race in society.

00:06:12.000 And so they have largely abandoned this word.

00:06:16.000 They say it's a right-wing manufactured object, but they used it originally to describe how they perceived the world.

00:06:22.000 And that's what it actually means.

00:06:24.000 It's a perception of the world.

00:06:25.000 And what it means is that you have been given a consciousness that you understand the world in Marxist terms.

00:06:31.000 You have awakened.

00:06:32.000 If you read this guy, Paulo Freire, he's a Brazilian educator, a Marxist educator.

00:06:36.000 He actually says that you, and I am not exaggerating.

00:06:38.000 He says that what you have to do when you start to learn about the world, meaning in a Marxist way, is that you have to die and be reborn.

00:06:46.000 He says you have to existentially experience your own Easter to be reawakened, reborn on the side of the oppressed.

00:06:53.000 I want you all to understand, this is in elementary schools.

00:06:56.000 This is in high schools.

00:06:57.000 What does it mean to view the world in a Marxist way, James?

00:07:01.000 What it means is when you view the world in a Marxist way, what you think is a number of things.

00:07:05.000 First, that you think that it's separated into two categories that you might say are the oppressors and the oppressed or the haves and the have-nots, and that this is a dynamic system.

00:07:14.000 This is the first part, that there's a dynamic system where the people who have rigged the system so that they keep having, even if they don't know it.

00:07:20.000 In fact, usually they don't know that they're doing it.

00:07:22.000 So they rig the system.

00:07:23.000 So it's a big conspiracy theory that everybody who's in a privileged position in society has set the system up to maintain their own benefit.

00:07:31.000 Secondly, it means that you, as somebody who is oppressed, have a special insight into how the world works and therefore can become a change agent, somebody who can transform the world.

00:07:40.000 If you see that word transform in anything, like, you know, on the United Nations 17 Sustainable Goals to transform our world, that's Marxism.

00:07:48.000 So what it means is that you believe that you are an intrinsic person who has a special insight into how the world works to transform it into something that it is not yet.

00:07:56.000 And so what that means is that you are awakening people to be aggrieved, to be angry about the world they live in, to blame somebody else, and to believe that you are uniquely positioned to change the world into something that it is not yet, but could possibly be in a utopian direction.

00:08:09.000 A lot of parents feel intimidated by these topics because when they show up to school board meetings or they talk with teachers, they will get talked down to.

00:08:17.000 They'll be saying, oh, no, no, this is just an academic exercise.

00:08:20.000 How important is it, James, that you fight early on these concepts and then piggyback on that?

00:08:26.000 What is the goal of these people that are teaching CRT that are teaching queer theory? 0.69

00:08:32.000 And we'll get to that in a second.

00:08:33.000 I mean, yeah, I mean, you actually will see it even more within the queer theory dimension that they are very insistent on trying to get to the young people, to the youngest people.

00:08:41.000 You said kindergarten is pre-K.

00:08:43.000 They want to start this.

00:08:44.000 There are actually programs talking about bringing the so-called social emotional learning program all the way into, this has happened in France already.

00:08:50.000 The World Economic Forum was behind this, was an initiative to train nurses in social emotional learning to train pregnant women to do social emotional learning to their infants from the moment they're born.

00:09:01.000 What does that feel?

00:09:02.000 Social emotional learning is this, it's this approach to education that focuses on social and emotional development.

00:09:09.000 What it is, is it's actually turning your education into a thought reform program, a programming, brainwashing program to make sure that you are going to fit in with whatever initiatives happen to be the desired goals of the they that we keep kind of vaguely referring to at the World Economic Forum in this case.

00:09:25.000 We know who they are.

00:09:26.000 They said that they want to do this.

00:09:27.000 And so the kind of regime, if you will, or the machine, if you want to call it that, has a vision where they want kids all the way down to like zero being trained in the ideas of critical race theory.

00:09:37.000 We have anti-racist baby, for example.

00:09:38.000 Kendi put out that book.

00:09:40.000 We have, you know, this queer theory stuff being brought into pre-K with young, young, young children.

00:09:45.000 And the reason they want to do that with children is they know that they're the most impressionable.

00:09:49.000 They are the most vulnerable people alive in our society, and that's why they want to target them.

00:09:54.000 They can change their mind.

00:09:55.000 They have not formed concrete understanding of their own identity, who they are, how the world works, what the world is.

00:10:01.000 And if you can confuse it then, and that's what they're after, if you can confuse them then, they will never be able to figure out the world for themselves.

00:10:08.000 And they're always going to have to listen to somebody telling them what is and is not.

00:10:12.000 So, James, a lot of parents here and watching online and listening for the rebroadcast, they hear these terms, social-emotional learning.

00:10:20.000 It sounds so unassuming.

00:10:22.000 What should the response be if they find out their kid or their school district is pushing social emotional learning?

00:10:28.000 You got to fight that.

00:10:29.000 I would tell you that you need to understand.

00:10:31.000 And I spoke at a Moms for Liberty conference recently in front of all these moms, hundreds of moms.

00:10:36.000 And I said, you know, what I want you to come home from this with is this idea.

00:10:40.000 If you knew, and I mean this, this is what social emotional learning really is, and I'm skipping a few details to get to it, but if you knew you were sending your kids to a Maoist re-education prison for 35 hours a week, what would you do differently in your life?

00:10:52.000 Because that is actually what it is.

00:10:54.000 I read the books about Maoist thought reform written by psychologists who studied people that were coming to Hong Kong fresh out of exile from China, fresh out of Maoist prisons, where they were indoctrinated into Maoist communism.

00:11:05.000 And it's exactly the same program.

00:11:07.000 So social emotional learning, if your kids, if it's happening, you have to fight it.

00:11:10.000 I would tell you, you need to protect your kids.

00:11:12.000 If that means yanking them out of that school and guarding them, it means yanking them out of the school and taking whatever extra steps you have to take to protect your children.

00:11:20.000 It is a very deliberate, very effective psychological and emotional manipulation of children performed by people who aren't even professionals.

00:11:29.000 Teachers are wonderful.

00:11:30.000 They are pros, but they're not psychologists.

00:11:32.000 And they have no business doing psychological manipulation of children in uncontrolled non-therapeutic settings.

00:11:38.000 So James, James, what is queer theory?

00:11:44.000 Queer theory is a nightmare. 0.99

00:11:46.000 So we talked already about all this critical race theory, a little about social emotional learning.

00:11:50.000 I will tell you that probably, like, right up there with inflation, right up there with the destruction of our currency, right up there with the things that are going on with the food supply, queer theory is probably next in line in terms of the most dangerous thing that's happening in this country. 1.00

00:12:04.000 Critical race theory is basically just a setup.

00:12:07.000 It's like a boxing Ropa dope to get the kids into the queer theory. 0.97

00:12:10.000 The goal of queer theory is to abolish the concept of normal. 0.94

00:12:15.000 So like I said, you know, Marxism is this idea that there's a special quality of property and life that some people establish and give to themselves.

00:12:22.000 They keep everybody else out.

00:12:23.000 And that quality for queer theory is normalcy, being considered normal.

00:12:27.000 Certain people, like you and me, said, you know what, we're pretty normal.

00:12:30.000 You know, we're normal dudes.

00:12:31.000 All right, we're bros.

00:12:33.000 And we get to define what normal means.

00:12:34.000 And all the freaks and the perverts, literally, they say they fly their pervert flag openly in all their papers. 0.80

00:12:40.000 They say it's for pervert. 0.93

00:12:41.000 Who is they?

00:12:42.000 What do you mean?

00:12:42.000 Oh, I mean, I'm quoting Gail Rubin right there.

00:12:44.000 So she's the first person to write a paper in queer theory in 1984 called Thinking Sex.

00:12:48.000 She said that it's, you know, that they use the word pervert to the normal people use the word pervert to exclude perverts from society.

00:12:55.000 In that paper, she actually asks out loud why, for example, people can't wear their kinkwear to the office, like their leather or whatever, to the office.

00:13:03.000 And so you get to think about for a second that what's happening in like the pride parades now, where they're showing up or in the White House, as a matter of fact, with this one guy, the nuclear guy.

00:13:13.000 I mean, no comment.

00:13:16.000 The man who wears a dress to work.

00:13:18.000 Yeah, with a mustache and the bald head.

00:13:21.000 And also Levine.

00:13:23.000 Well, the dude that became admiral.

00:13:26.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:13:27.000 Admirable admiral.

00:13:28.000 Yeah.

00:13:29.000 So what you have to understand is that the goal is to destroy the concept of normal.

00:13:35.000 Nobody's allowed to be normal because they're not normal, because that's the thing they think constrains people.

00:13:40.000 The real oppression is not economic.

00:13:42.000 It's personal by the fact that you've been categorized or assigned a sex at birth.

00:13:47.000 So if it's a normal belief in society that children should be protected, they want to get rid of that.

00:13:53.000 For example, pedophilia.

00:13:55.000 Yeah, I mean, again, I mentioned Gail Rubin, 1984, Thinking Sex a minute ago.

00:13:59.000 That is the first paper in queer theory, and it defends what she calls cross-generational sexual relationships.

00:14:06.000 Defends repeatedly.

00:14:07.000 Do you think we're going to hear that term cross-generational sexual relationships soon?

00:14:11.000 No, I don't think so.

00:14:12.000 I don't think they're going to pull that one back out, but they're going all the way.

00:14:15.000 I mean, they got MAP now, the minor attracted pedophile or whatever that stands for.

00:14:20.000 I can't remember what the P stands for. 0.86

00:14:21.000 I'm pretty sure it's pedophile.

00:14:24.000 And but their goal is to, so to keep on going, this is important.

00:14:30.000 Queer theory, the destruction of what is normal. 1.00

00:14:34.000 Shouldn't we be even more worked up about this?

00:14:36.000 I mean, this is the whole civilization.

00:14:39.000 We have been talking about critical race theory for like two years, and it's a ropa-dope. 0.97

00:14:44.000 It's a setup.

00:14:45.000 Queer theory is at least 20 times as dangerous as critical race theory. 0.67

00:14:48.000 At least.

00:14:49.000 You are talking about the mental and physical destruction of children.

00:14:53.000 You're talking about the sterilization of children who are primarily autistic, depressed, and anxious to the level where it's clinical.

00:15:00.000 You are talking about the destruction of their bodies with irreparable damage with hormones, with puberty blockers, which literally they give to rapists, or they stop giving to rapists to chemically castrate them the drugs called Lupron.

00:15:13.000 They stopped giving it to them because it's inhumane.

00:15:16.000 They used to give it to child rapists.

00:15:18.000 They stopped because it's inhumane.

00:15:19.000 So we give it to confused eight-year-olds and autistic 12-year-olds.

00:15:23.000 This is what they're actually doing.

00:15:24.000 We're talking about the absolute physical destruction, but the psychological destruction is permanent.

00:15:29.000 You're talking about making kids completely unstable, completely unable to grasp the world, to the point where we have a lady sitting in front of the Senate being confirmed for the Supreme Court. 0.95

00:15:39.000 Well, I say a lady.

00:15:41.000 I'm not a biologist.

00:15:43.000 Kentaji Brown Jackson sits up, gets asked directly, what is a woman?

00:15:46.000 And she's like, I don't know.

00:15:48.000 Because the idea of woman has been complicated, because if we knew what women are in the normal definition, that would be against queer theory.

00:15:55.000 And she gave a transphobic answer, but they give her a pass because she's on the left. 1.00

00:15:58.000 Biology shouldn't be involved in this determination.

00:16:02.000 What should be involved in it?

00:16:03.000 Well, it's how people feel.

00:16:05.000 If you look up the definitions in Merriam-Webster, they just change the definitions of boy and girl so that they go in a circle.

00:16:10.000 A girl is somebody who feels like a girl and is not a boy, and the boy is somebody who feels like a boy and is not a girl. 0.51

00:16:16.000 They just go in a circle forever.

00:16:18.000 The idea is that you aren't going, and this is the big point, Charlie.

00:16:21.000 We're talking about like sex, gender, sexuality.

00:16:23.000 It's in health.

00:16:24.000 It's in mental health.

00:16:25.000 It's in the norms of the country.

00:16:27.000 It's in the values that we share and hold.

00:16:29.000 They want to, and the word they use for it is queer, means complicate, make complicated everything until nobody understands any concept or category any longer. 0.99

00:16:38.000 Nobody can make sense of the world for themselves, which means somebody in power is going to tell you the right answer to every question.

00:16:45.000 And so, James, you know, you're about to come to our Turning Point USA pastor summit in a couple weeks brought to you by TPUSA Faith.

00:16:53.000 I just want to touch on this, and I have to say this.

00:16:56.000 This sounds very demonic.

00:16:57.000 I mean, if I was trying to destroy the world, I would destroy all the terms.

00:17:02.000 And I mean, you've said something similar.

00:17:04.000 I mean, I've said, I believe the exact line is, the quote was that if I were a deceiver with a capital D or an enemy with a capital E, what I would do is sow confusion by changing the meanings of words right out from under people or confusing the meanings of words where people can't understand the world in the terms that we've given it.

00:17:25.000 So, yeah, Charlie, I know we have our differences in matters of faith and metaphysics, but this is irrelevant.

00:17:31.000 I agree with you that this is demonic.

00:17:33.000 I agree with you.

00:17:34.000 And this is actually one of the things I wanted to say most on this stage today.

00:17:37.000 This is a form of spiritual warfare, whatever the word spiritual means.

00:17:44.000 The goal of Marxism is to destroy society. 0.92

00:17:48.000 The goal of queer theory is to destroy your soul. 1.00

00:17:51.000 It is to eat away at your mind and your sense of self and your sense of goodness and your sense of being and your sense of groundedness and your sense of being based and dissolve it out from under you like a corrosive acid.

00:18:03.000 Marxism tries to change the society outward.

00:18:06.000 Marx says that's the goal.

00:18:07.000 We have to transform the society into the socialist society.

00:18:10.000 Queer theory tries to change you. 0.91

00:18:13.000 It tries to transform you into the ideal person who is not so ideal because you can't function in real life and will grow up unable to have normal, healthy relationships or reproduce or all of the things that make life truly, truly worth living.

00:18:30.000 So James, this is a lot for people to take in.

00:18:34.000 In the last five minutes, I want to talk about just briefly, how widespread is this really?

00:18:40.000 Because the other critique a lot of, let's say, squishy conservatives will give is they'll say, oh, this is not very far spread.

00:18:48.000 It's only in a couple pockets.

00:18:50.000 It's the fringe of academia.

00:18:52.000 How institutionalized is this?

00:18:55.000 So I got asked yesterday or the day before, you know, what proportion, in one of the interviews I did on the media, what proportion of schools would you say this stuff is in, or colleges and universities?

00:19:06.000 So we'll start at colleges and universities.

00:19:07.000 What proportion of colleges and universities would you say?

00:19:09.000 And I said, well, we got to be careful because there's like Hillsdale.

00:19:12.000 But if you look at, say, public universities, colleges and universities in this country, the number is 100%.

00:19:17.000 100%.

00:19:19.000 Not 99%, 100%.

00:19:21.000 It is completely institutionalized throughout academia.

00:19:24.000 Now, the problem is that teaching colleges are in academia.

00:19:27.000 It is, I would argue, overwhelmingly institutionalized in at least K through 12, but pre-K through 12 schools, to the point where we have schools, not just schools, we have state attorneys general, for example, Dana Nissel in Michigan, saying that drag queens belong in every school because they're fun.

00:19:46.000 That's an entire state, a purple state at that, saying drag queens belong in every school. 1.00

00:19:54.000 Now, why are there drag queens? 1.00

00:19:56.000 Believe it or not, they wrote a paper about this.

00:19:58.000 They wrote an academic paper.

00:19:59.000 I did a podcast reading through this paper.

00:20:02.000 The paper is called Drag Pedagogy.

00:20:04.000 They explain the theory of education, that's what pedagogy means, through drag queens. 1.00

00:20:09.000 The last sentence of that paper, by the way, is that they intend to leave a trail of glitter in the carpet that will never come out.

00:20:15.000 That's what they say.

00:20:16.000 And in this paper, they say that drag queens are a crucial aspect of generating the concepts and the conversations to lead children to live queerly.

00:20:25.000 That's their objective.

00:20:26.000 They say in the paper, Charlie, they say in the paper, we advertise this as a marketing strategy that it's about LGBT empathy.

00:20:36.000 However, it's about leading kids to discover their true selves and live queerly. 0.91

00:20:42.000 So they know they're lying.

00:20:44.000 They absolutely know that.

00:20:45.000 You know what they also say?

00:20:46.000 They say, we advertise it as family-friendly, but we mean that less in the sense of like, you know, bring the parents, everybody's having fun, like the Attorney General of Michigan thinks.

00:20:55.000 And we mean that more in the sense of that, you know, there's your queer family on the street that you leave your real family for. 0.99

00:21:01.000 That's in the paper.

00:21:01.000 They say it.

00:21:02.000 They are asking to take children away from their families and induce them into a queer family using drag queens in school. 1.00

00:21:08.000 And we have at least one state attorney general saying it belongs everywhere.

00:21:12.000 How institutional is this?

00:21:14.000 Epidemic.

00:21:15.000 Unbelievable.

00:21:17.000 It is, in fact, the status quo.

00:21:18.000 I think it's your thing to say.

00:21:19.000 You are a dissident in your own country now.

00:21:22.000 We have been colonized.

00:21:23.000 They fly their flag.

00:21:24.000 Their own flag is being colonized by another flag.

00:21:27.000 They're transforming.

00:21:28.000 They have their pride flag and now it has like literally what is with the black circle in it now.

00:21:32.000 What is that all about?

00:21:33.000 That's intersex. 0.99

00:21:34.000 That's so that they can't.

00:21:35.000 But it's the triangle.

00:21:36.000 It's all very complicated.

00:21:37.000 Well, I mean, it's going to keep changing because that's the thing, right?

00:21:40.000 Transform, right?

00:21:41.000 But anything that becomes, this is literally Queer Theory had a paper they wrote a number of years ago called Queering Queer Theory because they're afraid it had become normal already.

00:21:49.000 Anything that becomes static, the pride flag became static.

00:21:52.000 So they start putting these wedges of other colors in there and a circle and a triangle.

00:21:55.000 And sooner or later, they're going to put a giant P on there.

00:21:58.000 I don't remember what the P stands for.

00:21:59.000 Does anybody want to help me out with that? 0.90

00:22:01.000 Pedophile!

00:22:03.000 And so, so, James, we only have a couple minutes remaining.

00:22:07.000 What do we do about it?

00:22:09.000 Because this can seem overwhelming.

00:22:10.000 And honestly, some people here, they have had the courage.

00:22:14.000 And God bless all of you that have shown up at school board meetings and have spoken out.

00:22:17.000 But when they do that, you know what they'll be told?

00:22:19.000 You're just peddling conspiracy theories.

00:22:22.000 We're not after your children.

00:22:24.000 We just want these ideas to be presented.

00:22:26.000 Number one, how do they confront the inevitable kind of stonewalling of the academic infrastructure?

00:22:33.000 Two, what is our strategy?

00:22:35.000 What is our game plan?

00:22:36.000 How do we defeat the invading force?

00:22:38.000 So, number one is what you do is you do not stop.

00:22:41.000 You do not stop.

00:22:43.000 This is, for me, it's like, I don't even like saying this is a line in the sand.

00:22:46.000 This is a line in concrete.

00:22:48.000 You have crossed the line.

00:22:50.000 You've come this far.

00:22:51.000 No further.

00:22:53.000 And you have to believe your eyes.

00:22:55.000 You have to believe your ears.

00:22:56.000 You have to believe what your children are saying and telling you. 0.99

00:22:59.000 You have to believe what you see in the books like Genderqueer that show actual oral sex acts in children's libraries. 0.99

00:23:06.000 You have to not stop. 0.97

00:23:08.000 You have to keep showing up.

00:23:10.000 You have to do what will get you shut down.

00:23:12.000 You have to go and buy that book, show up to the school board, and read it out loud on camera.

00:23:17.000 And they will say that somebody actually just got threatened.

00:23:19.000 It would be actually a felony to read this in front of children.

00:23:23.000 It's like, well, why is it in the school library?

00:23:25.000 You cannot stop.

00:23:26.000 You have to keep pressing.

00:23:27.000 You have to contact your representatives.

00:23:29.000 The state of Florida is blessed.

00:23:31.000 They have a wonderful guy here who passed an anti-grooming bill.

00:23:35.000 The left lost its mind.

00:23:37.000 What is a groomer, James?

00:23:39.000 A groomer is somebody who induces somebody into a cult or an ideological belief outside the permission and knowledge of their parents, or, or specifically, in addition, in order to make them vulnerable and groomable for possibly sexual activity. 0.61

00:23:53.000 So, anybody who wants to talk about sex with a kindergartner and tell them, don't tell your parents it's safer that way, is a groomer.

00:24:01.000 That person belongs in prison, not in a school.

00:24:08.000 James, final question.

00:24:09.000 Any other action points, battle plan?

00:24:12.000 We have to defeat these people.

00:24:14.000 Is there a middle ground? 0.69

00:24:15.000 Is there a compromise with pedophiles?

00:24:17.000 No.

00:24:18.000 You cannot stop.

00:24:19.000 You have to get knowledgeable.

00:24:21.000 I hate to read it.

00:24:22.000 I hate to read it.

00:24:23.000 You have to read it.

00:24:24.000 You have to know what they say.

00:24:25.000 You have to know that they intend it.

00:24:27.000 You have to find concrete examples.

00:24:29.000 You must show, don't tell.

00:24:30.000 Read their books, read their papers, show up and say, this is what it says.

00:24:35.000 This is what you're doing.

00:24:36.000 This is what the United Nations has in its comprehensive sexuality education program since 2003 that your school here in whatever county, Florida, is implementing.

00:24:45.000 You have to show up with proof, say that it's happening, and say, look, the line's drawn.

00:24:50.000 No further.

00:24:51.000 In fact, we're going the other way.

00:24:52.000 There's no compromise with this.

00:24:53.000 We have to go backwards.

00:24:55.000 Now, everybody, here's the cool thing.

00:24:57.000 Dr. James Lindsay, his full-time job is to read all these papers and give it to you in sound bites and easily digestible information so that you don't have to read those huge academic journals.

00:25:09.000 But, I mean, what's so great about James, and you just heard it, is that was more information in a short period of time that most academics, it would take them five and a half hours to get maybe 1% of that.

00:25:20.000 And so, James, the book is Race Marxism, Cynical Theories.

00:25:24.000 You also have a podcast.

00:25:25.000 You have new discourses.

00:25:27.000 You have Sovereign Nations.

00:25:28.000 Tell our audience how they can stay in touch with you because I guarantee you, a lot of people are now, their curiosity has now been triggered.

00:25:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:25:36.000 The website's newdiscourses.com.

00:25:37.000 The podcast is the New Discourses podcast.

00:25:40.000 You'll find it there.

00:25:40.000 You'll see the pictures of the drag queens.

00:25:42.000 Click on it, listen to it, go through the whole paper for you.

00:25:44.000 You have all the quotes you need to take to the school board.

00:25:46.000 I'm for the time being at Conceptual James on Twitter.

00:25:50.000 I just got banned from Twitter for calling somebody a groomer.

00:25:53.000 So we'll see how long I stay there.

00:25:56.000 That's now a badge of honor.

00:25:57.000 And so, well, James, thank you so much for being here.

00:26:00.000 We're going to continue to do things together.

00:26:02.000 And I wish we had as many people in the church as a sidebar that understood this stuff as well as James Lindsay, because this stuff's in the church too, guys.

00:26:12.000 And that's a different conversation for a different time.

00:26:14.000 Queer theory is in the church, and they're putting up with it. 0.99

00:26:18.000 But everybody, the line has been drawn.

00:26:20.000 We are not going to let them do anything else.

00:26:22.000 We are finally going to fight these people against the invading colonialist force.

00:26:26.000 Give it up for James Lindsay, everybody.

00:26:28.000 Thank you.

00:26:31.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:26:32.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:26:35.000 Thanks so much.

00:26:36.000 Talk to you soon.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - August 13, 2022

Queer Theory and the Abolition of Normal with James Lindsay LIVE from SAS

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