00:00:00.000Hey everybody, a panel conversation we had from AmericaFest Turning Point USA's event with thousands and thousands and thousands of people there.
00:00:06.000We have Alex Marlowe and James Lindsay for one of the most important conversations about wokeism, diversity, equity, inclusion.
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00:03:02.000And the most important thing you really need to know about critical race theory is it's calling everything that you want to control racist until you control it.
00:03:30.000Your book is amazing, cynical theories.
00:03:32.000But talk about like, how did it come onto the scene so quickly, Alex and then James.
00:03:36.000Yeah, I'll address this and Dr. Lindsay can school me if I get anything wrong here.
00:03:40.000But I think it sort of originates with a guy named Gramsci, who was an Italian.
00:03:46.000And he predated this thing called the Frankfurt School, which a lot of people talk about.
00:03:49.000Andrew Reipart wrote about it about 10, 12 years ago.
00:03:53.000And these were people who were Marxists in the sense that they liked the ends of what Marx wanted, but they didn't believe Marx understood the means.
00:04:03.000They didn't think that ultimately that the proletariat was going to rise up and actually take back the country from the bourgeois.
00:04:13.000So what they did is it dawned on them, particularly in America, because a lot of these people at Frankfurt School came to particularly Southern California and they were totally miserable.
00:04:22.000They came to the United States from Germany and they thought this is a terrible place and they had a terrible time here.
00:04:28.000And what they noticed, though, is that the people, the populace, they kind of like their traditions.
00:04:35.000So how are they going to get people to rise up and overthrow the bourgeoisie?
00:04:40.000Well, they thought economics was not deterministic in the end.
00:05:22.000So we're seeing the end of a very long process.
00:05:25.000So the way that it comes on so quickly is very slowly than all at once.
00:05:29.000And so by 1970, a lot of people don't know this, the National Education Association was already funding books called things like white awareness, racism and education, et cetera, and putting these things out.
00:05:41.000This kind of information has been creeping into the schools in particular as far as the cultural institutions Gramsci wanted to take over.
00:05:47.000Those are, by the way, religion, family, education, media, and law were the five targets that he laid out.
00:05:54.000They started creeping into education very strongly by 1970.
00:05:58.000They more or less had education by the early 1980s.
00:06:01.000And so if you seed education, you seed all of the professionals, all the future leaders of the country, and you can start to break things down.
00:06:10.00050 years down that track, you've got three generations of teachers, three, four generations of students, and you can snap it just like that.
00:06:28.000The new thing is having black-only racially segregated dormitories.
00:06:32.000At Columbia University, they have black-only graduation ceremonies.
00:06:37.000In Georgia public schools in downtown Atlanta, sixth grade black kids go to one classroom, sixth grade white kids go to another classroom.
00:06:45.000In Denver public schools, they have black-only playground time where families of color are allowed to play and white families are not.
00:06:56.000What is the thought process of resegregation for just the common man that's watching this right now that isn't into the heady philosophical stuff?
00:07:04.000Can you please unpack how we are now resegregating American society?
00:07:10.000What I said before was that critical race theory boils down to the belief that racism that benefits white people is the fundamental organizing principle of society.
00:07:18.000So all of society is built off of racism.
00:07:21.000Racism is exactly the thing that makes life what it is in our society.
00:07:27.000And so what they're trying to use as a justification is that they say that people who are racial minorities, in particular blacks, need a space away from that where they can actually be themselves, where they can actually escape the white gaze, as they call it, or the constant pressure to live up to white supremacy.
00:08:15.000Yeah, the exact quote is on page 19 of his wonderful book, How to Be an Anti-Racist.
00:08:19.000And he says that the exact quote goes that the only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination.
00:08:26.000And the only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.
00:08:30.000So it's an explicitly discriminatory program.
00:08:32.000You can read, for example, also on page three of Critical Race Theory and Introduction by Richard Delgado that he says that the whole point of critical race theory is to call into question the very foundations of the liberal order.
00:08:42.000And the first thing he mentions is including equality theory.
00:08:46.000The idea that we're equal, that we were made equal, that we're image bearers of God or whatever, that's out.
00:08:51.000That's absolutely unacceptable to critical race theory because they want to actually create a situation where people who are considered authentically black, meaning critical race theorists and black at the same time, get all the power.
00:09:06.000So yeah, I just want to be clear here.
00:09:07.000So the solution to separate drinking fountains is separate drinking fountains.
00:09:17.000So Alex, I think a lot of this is an intentional smokescreen operation by people that don't want us to actually talk about deeper issues that matter.
00:09:27.000I think that these racial issues animate people.
00:09:58.000In fact, there's so little racism in America that we have a supply and demand issue with it.
00:10:02.000But talk about Alex on how we talk about stuff that really doesn't is not consequential when the billionaires are $3.8 trillion richer, our borders are wide open.
00:10:14.000We have 100,000 opioid deaths every single year.
00:10:17.000I mean, very plainly, it's like, yeah, I'll talk about how racist America is that you can get opioid deaths below 50,000.
00:10:24.000Yeah, cultural Marxism is the greatest gift to the super elite left because these are people who have corporations and they want to do international business.
00:10:36.000They want to operate unencumbered by the government or by the people.
00:10:40.000They don't want to be accountable to anyone.
00:10:43.000And they've realized they have a hack.
00:10:45.000Instead of Amazon treating their warehouse workers well or Hollywood treating women well or Google treating black people well, all they have to do is post a black square on Instagram and then all of a sudden they can do whatever horrible stuff they were going to do.
00:11:03.000And you see people who are now spokespeople for racial equality and racial justice and social justice and the BIPOCs and the Latinx and all of these people.
00:11:33.000The NFL seemed to be a place that, by and large, was universally beloved until recently, until Colin Kaepernick started ruining it for everyone.
00:11:42.000It seemed like everyone loved the NFL.
00:11:44.000And so now they're doing all these things that it doesn't matter how people are treated in real life.
00:11:49.000It doesn't matter what the corporations actually do so long, they're not doing the hard work of actually trying to recruit people into their businesses to make it more diverse.
00:11:59.000They're not actually trying to have equitable distribution of the wealth to the workers in the Amazon warehouse.
00:12:05.000All they have to do is virtue signal by sending a check to communist Marxist Black Lives Matter, and they announce they're the greatest people on the planet.
00:12:21.000The two biggest issues that critical race theory are hiding are everything that Alex just said, especially under the brand name ESG.
00:12:28.000Those are going to be three letters you're going to talk about all year next year.
00:12:31.000Environmental is E. Social is S. G is governance.
00:12:36.000This is already a social credit system that exists for corporations that explains all of that.
00:12:40.000You can put your black square on Instagram and your ESG score goes up and all of a sudden you can invest with your big companies like Goldman Sachs, BlackRock, Vanguard, et cetera.
00:12:48.000And if you don't, they won't carry your assets.
00:12:53.000They'll exclude you from investments, et cetera.
00:12:55.000So they've got a social credit system in place for corporations already.
00:12:58.000The second one is in the schools, actually, believe it or not.
00:13:02.000And it is that critical race theory in the school is sort of a left hand distracting you from the sexual malfeasance that they're pulling on our kids, which is what's really going to tear this country apart.
00:13:13.000All right, my friend here, Alex, just talked about Antonio Gramsci in the 1920s, but he didn't mention his buddy from Hungary, George Lukac, who unleashed on Hungary in the 1920s when they had their communist revolution, 1919, when they had their communist revolution, a sexual education program that looks almost identical to what they're doing today under terms like comprehensive sex education and under queer theory and gender theory, et cetera.
00:13:38.000And this is actually where they break America.
00:13:40.000So critical race theory is not just a distraction, it is a funnel into queer theory.
00:13:45.000And I know I've shared a stage with you many times and said, well, queer theory is a topic for another day, Charlie.
00:13:52.000Because what's going on is they're making, this is what Mao Zedong did.
00:13:56.000He separated the culture into five categories that were considered red for communist and five categories that were considered black for being bad.
00:14:04.000And he gave people black identities and a pathway to become a red guard by joining a red identity.
00:14:10.000So if you're white, you have a black racial cultural identity under critical race theory.
00:14:15.000But if you become gender fluid, you have a red one now.
00:14:18.000This is Mao's education program from 1966 remade in America, and it worked.
00:14:24.000What it will do is it will bring children.
00:14:56.000It says God created man and woman and they're meant to be partners and compliments.
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00:16:35.000And what you have, I'm serious, it is the gateway to hell.
00:16:38.000And what you have is critical race theory creating both a distraction from it and a funnel for the white, straight male kids to want to start identifying this way.
00:16:50.000Let me connect that to something Charlie said earlier: that it is all about a distraction and is not just about a distraction from inflation and from the open border and from China's missiles that we can barely detect and from the fact that Americans are still stranded in Afghanistan right now.
00:17:06.000It's not just a distraction from that.
00:17:08.000It's also a distraction from the fact that so many of the solutions to the problems in this country right now are actually found in documents we can read and talk about today.
00:17:18.000Our founding documents, the Federalist Papers, the Bible, the Judeo-Christian values that our country was founded on.
00:17:25.000There are answers for us here, and we cannot read them or talk about them because we have to do so much defense against genderqueer theory and whether or not you're a terrorist because you don't like men using the women's bathroom and you don't like critical race theory in your public school.
00:19:07.000It's very much, if you're a Lord of the Rings fan, like I am, it's like the deal that Sarman, I know it's geeky, Sarman made with worm tongue.
00:19:14.000You know, go undermine Theodin so that Rohan won't fight back and you can have your pick of the girl.
00:19:20.000It's the same deal, but it's your kids.
00:19:22.000So what you've got to be telling your kids is you've actually got to be talking to them that this is nonsense and that there are boys and there are girls and it's not only okay to be a boy or a girl, but it's very important to do that and that there are people who are going to use this to hurt you down the look down the road.
00:19:46.000So the brand name a lot of this is getting brought in under is social emotional learning.
00:19:50.000That's the brand name that America has taken up for the Maoist education program that's designed to bring in, to teach your kids to think in terms of gender this and cultural that and sensitivity this and trauma that.
00:20:03.000And so those are the kinds of words that you're going to want to look for.
00:20:14.000These are words you have to watch out for.
00:20:16.000When you get into the sexual stuff, though, anything that's talking about normativity, anything that ends in sexual, you've probably got to keep an eye on it.
00:20:23.000The idea of gender being a social construct, you've got to keep an eye on that too.
00:20:28.000But social emotional learning is the vehicle that you need to be challenging your school boards and things about.
00:20:34.000I would actually tell you this, and I've said this publicly, so I'm not just making a weird, like, I'm in front of a crowd moment here.
00:20:41.000People who are intentionally, not the teachers that are forced to do it, people who are intentionally bringing social emotional learning into our nation's schools belong in prison.
00:20:54.000It is the worst form of psychological child abuse being perpetrated by teachers pretending to be psychologists without a psychology license in an untherapeutic, uncontrolled environment called a classroom with kids that they don't know what's going on at home.
00:21:11.000And there are actually examples where they're having seventh grade, 12-year-old girls fill out surveys and explain, talk about the changes that are happening to your breasts.
00:21:31.000And it also serves to divide something that is a key component of American life, or at least has been until recently, which is the nuclear family.
00:21:39.000When you come home from college and you went as a girl and you're coming back as a boy or a non-binary hybrid of some kind, that confuses your family.
00:21:50.000That makes the core family structure, the nuclear family, which has been the key unit for guidance, for morality, for education throughout the entire history of this country, that calls that into question.
00:22:03.000And it is a way for the state, for the public education apparatus, for so much of this giant, woke corporate world that we're living in to supplant the nuclear family and to replace it with total chaos.
00:22:22.000But the first step is create a chaotic environment in home.
00:22:26.000And once that happens, all bets are off on what happens with Americans.
00:22:30.000Let me just tell you that that disruption of the nuclear family actually literally goes straight back to Marx in the Communist Manifesto.
00:22:36.000He says extremely plainly that the nuclear family is a recreation of capitalism.
00:22:43.000And it is in fact a product of capitalism that reproduces capitalism.
00:22:46.000And so it's one of the first things that has to be disrupted.
00:22:48.000So this is a plan that goes back to the 1840s with Karl Marx himself to try to disrupt Western civilization so that Marxists can take it over and run it through a state institution that they're totally in control of.
00:23:59.000There is something bad happening here.
00:24:01.000There are reasons to want to pull your kids out of schools right now.
00:24:04.000And you have to start talking to each other.
00:24:06.000Create the pathways to start to network.
00:24:08.000When you start to network, then you have to start to organize and get informed.
00:24:11.000So that's where you're going to start interacting with these materials like Charlie and me and Alex and everybody else are producing.
00:24:16.000You have to get informed on this, but you have to get organized.
00:24:19.000I looked at the state of Utah, which is a great state that I visited just about a month ago, and they have an organization there called Utah Parents United that's got almost 30,000 members in a year.
00:24:29.000That should be happening in every single state.
00:24:32.000And those parents need to start sharing information, showing up in large groups, getting organized, and then taking action.
00:24:37.000And the action they need to take is to completely reboot our schools.
00:24:42.000People who are bringing in Marxist techniques and Marxist ideology to our children to use them as pawns to overthrow our society need to be removed from those positions.
00:24:52.000And it's going to require parents to step up and become teachers.
00:24:55.000It's going to require people to figure out new accreditation systems.
00:24:58.000It's going to require new teaching colleges.
00:25:00.000It's going to require so much hard work by you as parents and as adults.
00:25:06.000And it's also going to take reaching out to your kids to make sure those bonds stay really safe and really strong because they want to sever that link more than anything.
00:25:19.000I think number one, first of all, let's talk about Virginia for a second.
00:25:23.000Because one of the few silver linings from this horrible pandemic has been so many parents got to watch their kids allegedly get schooling via Zoom.
00:25:33.000And they realized they weren't learning reading, writing, arithmetic.
00:25:36.000They weren't learning the founding documents.
00:25:38.000They weren't learning the Enlightenment thinkers.
00:25:44.000They were learning Robin D'Angelo and white privilege or whatever it is, white fragility, which just means that you don't know how special you are if you're white.
00:25:54.000Yeah, white fragility is that if you disagree with critical race theory, you have a psychological disorder called white fragility.
00:26:00.000You're emotionally too fragile to handle it.
00:26:03.000So when parents realized that this is what they were being taught, they stood up and they got people thrown off school boards.
00:26:09.000They got a Republican to win a governor, even though you had a situation where the left was controlling a state that was traditionally more of a neutral state.
00:26:20.000So there is hope when people get involved on a micro level.
00:26:25.000I think other things you can do is boycott.
00:26:28.000And I know this is not a tactic I would have recommended 10 years ago, but I think if businesses are showing woke values, you should not support them.
00:26:38.000I will tell you one thing that I do is that when I'm about to buy a product from a business that I haven't supported before, I do go on their Instagram and I do look for that black square.
00:26:49.000And if I see it, I will not buy their product.
00:26:56.000And if you find that there is a brand that you think, even if it's with a wink and a nod, does share some of your values, support that business.
00:27:04.000Make sure that you're supporting people who are trying to take on some of these woke corporations, not just with your minds and with your voice, but also with your dollars.
00:27:12.000Make it so that this is a whole conservative ecosystem where people can thrive and grow wealthy and strong and powerful in numbers because they are supporting what it means to be the United States of America.
00:27:24.000And I think that's something we could all start doing right this second.
00:27:27.000The last thing that I really think that we should do, which is so important, is beyond just overwhelming the system, is this is going to be a legal battle.
00:27:35.000And we need to make sure we have the best lawyers who are able to sue people into the ground if they're corrupting our youth and they're taking advantage and abusing their power.
00:27:45.000This should not be acceptable at any corner of this country.
00:27:48.000And we need people who are fluent in the law and know where they can have our back on that level as well.
00:27:54.000Listen, don't be afraid to invite the lawsuit.
00:27:57.000You should do a happy dance if you find a place where you can sue a school.
00:28:00.000You have to be willing to invite the lawsuit because these battles are going to be legal.
00:28:04.000The other big place, the last thing, vote.
00:28:07.000What you need to do is you need to get your parents organized.
00:28:09.000You get together and then you need to show up and start asking the mayor, the school board, your congressman.
00:29:33.000And I also encourage you guys to follow both of them.
00:29:36.000This is like skimming the surface of their knowledge of this topic.
00:29:40.000I know so many moms and dads here in this room are dealing with this.
00:29:45.000And if you're confused by this, that's okay because they want you to be confused.
00:29:49.000In fact, they want you to be intimidated by this.
00:29:52.000They use unnecessarily long words and academic vocabulary to try to make it seem as if you're stupid when in reality, they're the fools and you have wisdom.
00:30:02.000And so what it's going to take, though, is willingness and courage and for parents and yes, students as well.
00:30:09.000But this is really mainly a parent's fight because guess what?
00:30:12.000As you said, James, this is happening to three-year-olds, four-year-olds, five-year-olds, and six-year-olds now that, you know, they're not going to be able to fight for themselves.
00:30:19.000This needs to be the most aggressive counter move happening on the cultural educational landscape.
00:30:24.000Homeschooling has doubled in the last 18 months, everybody.