00:00:38.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:40.000We are tearing down all our norms and customs that support law-abiding, high-achieving efforts, self-control, in favor of a lie, which is that America is systemically racist.
00:01:54.000We are jeopardizing scientific progress by saying that the race of scientists in a research lab matter more than their scientific competence.
00:02:05.000We are impugning the extraordinary traditions of Western art, whether it's classical music or painting or theater, because the performers in the past or the composers were white because they were European, get over it.
00:02:21.000We are also tearing down our public safety.
00:02:26.000We are deciding not to enforce the law because doing so inevitably has a disparate impact on black criminals.
00:02:34.000And so our prosecutors, our police chiefs, our judges, and our Democratic politicians have all decided that they would rather not enforce the law and allow our streets to descend into anarchy than to enforce the law in a neutral, colorblind fashion and have a disparate impact on blacks.
00:02:51.000You close the introduction with an interesting sentence.
00:02:54.000You say, we are in uncharted territory.
00:02:57.000But do you think there is any historical precedent?
00:03:00.000And I don't know if there is, Heather, of a country so wealthy, so prosperous that has its act together deciding to engage in this buffet line of arsenic.
00:03:11.000I mean, yes, the difference is Mao's China is they were totally poor.
00:03:16.000So we're explain what do you mean by we're in uncharted territory.
00:03:20.000Well, Charlie, you more than I, but I have as well, been confronted by these student Yahoos.
00:03:26.000And it is really sobering to be in front of the student mob and because you're in front of utter irrationality that is beyond reach of reason.
00:03:37.000People that are in a state of neuroses that are in this weird frying jag belief that they are victims.
00:03:46.000And when I see that, it does remind me of the Chinese Revolution with students taking over.
00:03:53.000But the difference with the Chinese Revolution, as you say, it was a poor country, and it was by and large the lower classes that were turning on the elites.
00:04:04.000And they tore down the classical education, the classical literature, and they said, oh, that's anti-intellectual, or it's intellectual, and therefore it's against the people.
00:04:16.000But what's unusual about the American Revolution, yes, we have the student mobs, but it is the elites that are leading the revolution.
00:04:30.000They're not just turning on the MAGA hat wearing white supremacists.
00:04:34.000And I hope your viewers know that I'm saying that in scare quotes and ironically, Charlie, but they're turning on their own members.
00:04:43.000So every time a college president gets up there, whether it's Yale's president Peter Salabi or Princeton's president's Christopher Eisgruber and says, we're systemically racist.
00:04:52.000You know, we have to have even more diversity hiring, even more diversity administrating, because we are not living up to the ideals of inclusive excellence, one of the phrases that is just code for lowering standards.
00:05:07.000Those presidents are implicitly accusing their own faculty of being racist, which is preposterous.
00:05:23.000It was a mass outpouring of hysteria, the guillotine, the celebration of taking down aristocrats simply because they're aristocrats.
00:05:34.000However, contrasted today, they did not tear down the statutes of the great philosophes, of Voltaire, of Diderot, of Montesquieu, of Rameau, Rousseau.
00:05:51.000And to this day, to his credit, Emmanuel Macron, the current president of France, has said, we're not going the direction of the United States.
00:06:09.000But the worst really at this point is the United States.
00:06:13.000So then your book continues, by the way, the book, everyone should check out a copy, When Race Trumps Merit.
00:06:19.000And you continue and you give example after example after example.
00:06:24.000And so let's focus on something you mentioned here, which I think is really smart.
00:06:28.000Angelo Cotavilla, to his great credit, really, I think, laid this out in political terms better than almost anybody else.
00:06:35.000Back in 2010, 2011, he wrote the book, The Ruling Class.
00:06:38.000And he talked about how there's a country class and a ruling class, and this is not going to end well.
00:06:44.000And so, Heather, can you at least give your best hypothesis or your best explanation as to the psychology that is driving the self-hatred of our elites?
00:07:09.000You know, and in a sense, it doesn't matter whether they believe it or not, because what matters is their public pronouncements and the policies that follow on those pronouncements.
00:07:18.000But I understand the instinct to want to know what's going on in their head, because we look around the world and we see some obvious truths that there's males and that there's females, that there's criminals and that there's victims, there's innocence and there's guilt, and they don't see that.
00:07:33.000And so one does wonder, are these human beings?
00:07:37.000But I think what drives this, Charlie, overwhelmingly is the issue of race in the United States and the fact that we still have these very large racial disparities when it comes to academic achievement, representation in meritocratic institutions.
00:08:38.000It is kind of this super weapon that is created where they both get to virtue signal, but simultaneously, they actually get to remain an oligarch.
00:08:48.000Yeah, I would put my emphasis on the virtue signaling.
00:08:51.000I don't know about the logical steps to, well, this keeps me in power outside of maybe electoral power of being, and tragically, sadly, depressingly, you know, the black areas of Chicago just voted for an anti-police guy, Brandon Johnson.
00:09:07.000The highest crime rate areas were the ones that voted for him the most.
00:09:11.000So the electoral politics of this are very weird.
00:09:14.000But I think that what it is as a sort of initial gut matter is simply I'm allowed to feel virtuous.
00:09:22.000I believe that I'm looking over a white supremacist land.
00:09:26.000And but for me and my racial preferences in my college or my Alzheimer's lab, you know, blacks would continue to be downtrodden.
00:09:37.000Well, the fact of the matter is, is at this point, the only thing that is going to lift up blacks from this inner city culture is self-help.
00:12:43.000The George Floyd moment was not, George Floyd hysteria did not come out of nowhere, Charlie.
00:12:50.000It's growing and it's been growing for decades.
00:12:52.000But George Floyd was really a watershed when you had this universal chorus of elite institutions all declaring themselves racist,
00:13:04.000all promising these preposterous quotas that investment banks were going to be 50 or 30 percent black by 2025, which is just impossible with any shred of meritocracy when you look at the actual distribution of scores on the business school admissions test or on the GREs or on the SATs.
00:13:28.000And you had science magazines, the leading journals of scientific research like JAMA or Lancet publishing front page, full spread issues on the racism of medicine and science.
00:13:44.000So it's gotten a lot worse and the pressure has gotten a lot worse to destroy meritocratic standards in favor of diversity.
00:13:55.000So the book continues through examples of museum, of the opera, of art.
00:14:02.000And so explain to us or make the argument, explain to our audience, why is it that the pursuit of equity is at odds with the, let's say, the noble endeavor of appreciating beauty.
00:14:19.000Why are those two things at opposites?
00:14:23.000Well, for one thing, equity has nothing to do with beauty.
00:14:27.000It is not the comparative advantage of classical music musicians or painters or sculptors or poets or actors to be working on closing racial skills gaps.
00:14:44.000They are involved in the debates and feelings of their time and of themselves.
00:14:50.000And let's also be very clear that equity in our current context means one thing and one thing only, and that is racial proportionality attained at the expense of standards.
00:15:04.000But you now do have, after George Floyd, which was this watershed moment, you had almost every opera company, classical music organization, art museum, dance company, theater company putting out public statements saying, we understand now that we are a complicitous and guilty white organization.
00:15:39.000And we have now decided that our mission is no longer to curate and pass on these traditions of human expression, which are beyond parallel, that give us access to feelings of pathos, yearning, eros, despair, joy. irony and wit that we would otherwise never have access to.
00:16:06.000These organizations said, that's no longer our mission.
00:16:18.000You have the head of the Metropolitan Museum of Art, Max Holline, or the head of the Art Institute of Chicago, James Rondeau, declaring that their collection of Baroque 17th century Dutch masterpieces are racist because they were painted in a time of colonialism.
00:16:40.000You have the Art Institute of Chicago, one of the great museum collections in the world, dismissing all of its docents who provide volunteer free education to the city's high school students and elementary school students, overwhelmingly black.
00:16:59.000The Art Institute got rid of all its docents because they were all white.
00:17:03.000And today, it is a per se, if not crime, it is at least a mark of guilt and of being a pariah to be white or to be a white institution.
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00:19:39.000When it comes to art and the appreciation of objective beauty, was Marcel Duchamp, the famous episode where he signed the fountain, where it was assigned urinal.
00:19:56.000Was that the beginning of the end of Western art?
00:19:58.000Does this connect with your general theme?
00:20:01.000It's a very, very good candidate for the beginning of the end, Charlie, because what we see is a lot of what we see today, which is it required absolutely no artistic skill to do that.
00:20:15.000What drives me the craziest when I go to contemporary art shows is that these people do have no artistic talent.
00:20:23.000I sort of feel if you've learned to draw and you've mastered that basic hand-eye coordination, which is the basis of all artistic accomplishment in the visual arts, and then you decide that you're going to become an installation artist and you're going to create rooms filled with used tampons and a video playing a woman screaming at a banana for 24-hour loop.
00:20:48.000I kind of, I'll semi, if you put a gun to my head, I'll respect that choice.
00:20:54.000But the people today that are putting themselves up as artists have no artistic talent whatsoever.
00:20:59.000And I don't know about Duchamp, if he actually had mastered the craft of seeing and drawing, but it was simply a provocation.
00:21:08.000It had nothing to do with human expression.
00:21:11.000It was a way of trying to puncture the long tradition that had brought us at that point the height of visual expression with Jean Singer Sargent's watercolors and his portraits that are just of stunning mastery, breathtaking beauty that we'd involved.
00:21:34.000You know, for hundreds of years, you think, my God, we're at Van Dyck now, one of the great Netherlandish painters, portrait painters.
00:21:47.000You know, it just, it's one wave of beauty after another.
00:21:51.000And then for some reason in the 20th century with the cynicism, we decide we're no longer in the beauty business.
00:21:59.000And, you know, one can, there's obviously on the right, even among right critics, there's disputes about Jackson Pollock.
00:22:07.000Those like Hilton Kramer of the New Criterion defended a lot of abstract expressionism.
00:22:13.000I'm semi of the camp that of, you know, well, my three-year-old could do this, so it's hard for me to see the actual craft and composition in a Jackson Pollock, but it got worse from there.
00:22:28.000So explain to our audience that might be new to this topic, and then I really want to get into the race stuff because that is the core of your book.
00:22:34.000And I want to talk about those youths in Chicago, right?
00:22:37.000Those pesky little kids that are playing hooky.
00:22:41.000This idea of objective versus subjective when it comes to art, when it comes to understanding beauty, because I think C.S. Lewis was one of the best at predicting this in the book Abolition of Man, where he said, it is not your opinion that the waterfall is sublime.
00:23:01.000You can't just tell a kid that you're like, oh, I don't know if I like it or not.
00:23:05.000You have to try to build them up towards a pursuit of an objective order.
00:23:17.000It's that ugliness can be deemed as beauty.
00:23:19.000It's even worse than preference or anything.
00:23:21.000That it's the complete deterioration of any standards or any sort of tradition when it comes to art or when it comes to what we consider to be beautiful.
00:23:34.000Can you just build that out objective versus subjective?
00:23:38.000And how is the education system really no longer teaching that?
00:23:43.000Well, I'm a mixed opinion on that, Charlie, because I have observed the truth that there are radical changes in what we call the canon.
00:23:52.000You know, the canon, whether it's in literature or music or art, are works that there's a consensus around that these are the masterpieces that everybody should be exposed to if they want to have lived a life that is remotely human.
00:24:09.000And I can observe as a factual matter that the canon has changed and tastes have changed.
00:24:15.000There's a 17th century British poet, dramatist named John Dryden, and for a long time he was viewed as superior to Shakespeare.
00:24:26.000It's a very, it's a much more classical literary style.
00:24:32.000It's much more controlled than Shakespeare.
00:24:34.000Today, he's read, and I read him when I was in England studying because I was doing English literature, but your average American literature class, if they even exist, would really not spend any time with Dryden.
00:24:48.000In classical music, for a long time, nobody was performing the symphonies of Gustav Mahler, which are extraordinary works of titanic genius and expression and pain and exaltation.
00:25:03.000And then in the 20th century, Mahler was revived, and there was a period where every symphony in the country was doing one Mahler cycle after another until you wanted to scream.
00:25:13.000So it is hard to make a case that there is a transcendent, timeless, objective standard of what the great art is because tastes have changed.
00:25:23.000Nevertheless, I would say that what is the fatal flaw of our time today is that we have given up on the idea of beauty.
00:25:33.000You will never hear a literature department chair or dean or somebody, you know, in a heading of an arts organization talk about beauty.
00:25:44.000It is all about race and anti-colonial.
00:25:49.000And that teaches students that there's no reason to look into this tradition.
00:25:56.000There's no reason to get outside of your pathetic, petty, narrow selves and lose yourself in Renaissance pastoral poetry or the great 19th century Russian or British novel.
00:26:10.000I want to now play a couple pieces of tape here, and we have several.
00:26:14.000Like, for example, this is an academic, mind you, it is from 2005, who is talking about we need to advocate for the extermination of white people, addressing a panel at Howard University.
00:26:27.000You're familiar with this tape, Heather, play cut 61.
00:26:31.000And we're not thinking about a solution to the problem.
00:26:35.000And the one idea is how we are going to exterminate white people, because that, in my estimation, is the only conclusion I have come to.
00:26:46.000We have to exterminate white people off of the face of the planet to solve this problem.
00:26:52.000Now, I don't care whether you clap or not, but I'm saying to you that we need to solve this problem because they are going to kill us.
00:27:03.000I don't know if he's a professor or not, but Heather, one of the things that gets the media very angry is when I say that there is a rather forceful anti-white movement in America.
00:27:21.000Anytime you have the push for diversity, it's all zero sum, Charlie.
00:27:27.000And you see these institutions, these museums celebrating themselves, saying we've managed to get our white population down over the last five decades or five years or so.
00:27:45.000We saw this with the distribution of vaccines in the COVID hysteria era, which I hope we're finally over, but probably not.
00:27:54.000Which, you know, they got rid of their scientific knowledge that the people most at risk were elderly and did not give priority to the elderly because the elderly are disproportionately white.
00:28:07.000You know, that is going on all over the place.
00:28:10.000And you can come up with many statements from academia since 2005 of people saying, you know, white people are the problem.
00:28:21.000There was a list that was on the web maybe two months ago of all, it was sort of group compiled of all the phrases for whites that blacks have come up with.
00:28:30.000The double standards, and I know conservatives harp on double standards.
00:28:34.000I don't know if the left harps on our double standards.
00:28:45.000These statements that are made that are anti-white, if made about blacks, would create national riots.
00:28:55.000Well, and it's not just the statements, as you all know, it's the policies now, right?
00:28:58.000So statements and these ideas then lead to actual policies.
00:29:03.000And so I just want to give, I mean, I don't think we have the tape, maybe we do or we don't, but I mean, we could tell the story.
00:29:09.000In Chicago, you have hundreds of black youth go and target white people, pillage stores, do widespread violence.
00:29:16.000The new mayor of Chicago, Brandon Johnson, says, well, you know, you have to understand these kids need space and they don't have a lot of opportunity.
00:29:23.000State senator from Illinois comes out and he says that this was just protesting.
00:29:29.000I mean, we have unregulated, unchecked, and not even condemned now episodes of widespread looting and violence.
00:29:39.000And so, Heather, this is where I lose people, I'll be honest.
00:29:43.000And it goes back to the earlier question.
00:29:45.000And it is a good question, which is what elite wants to live in that country, right?
00:29:50.000I mean, how does that make J.B. Pritzker happy?
00:29:53.000You know, the enormously overweight person, you know, multi-billionaire trust fund guy who's the governor of Illinois.
00:31:03.000But it is viewed as normal and acceptable for blacks to beat up on whites.
00:31:11.000You know, we've now got with the Tamzas City shooting some new wow black hashtags, you know, knocking on the door while black or existing while black, as the mayor said.
00:31:24.000No, here's the reality: it's wow white, Charlie.
00:31:28.000It's driving while white and not being carjacked by these teens that are out of control, whether it's in Chicago or Philadelphia or Los Angeles, or walking while Asian and not being beaten by these black teens.
00:31:44.00088% of all interracial violence between blacks and whites and whites and blacks is committed by blacks on whites.
00:31:51.000This fiction that, oh, blacks, that Biden, you know, repeated, of course, after the Ralph Yarl shooting in Kansas City, that, oh, these poor black parents have to worry that their kids are going to get shot by whites.
00:32:46.000So, Heather, I was at a dinner recently, and there was a person who called himself a conservative, and he said, You know, Charlie, the only thing I don't like is your race stuff.
00:32:55.000He said, We have to try to be compassionate and caring.
00:33:14.000The fact is, 30% of the prison population is black.
00:33:18.000That's because they're committing crimes at that rate.
00:33:22.000Here's what you can use, Charlie: the bodies don't lie.
00:33:26.000Blacks are killed by gun homicide at 25 times the rate of whites between the ages of 10 and 24.
00:33:34.000And the reason that they're killed at 25 times the rate of whites is because they're killing each other at that rate.
00:33:41.000The rate of gun homicide commissioned by blacks is exactly that disproportionate.
00:33:48.000The bodies, the fact of the matter is every day, dozens of blacks are killed in homicide.
00:33:55.000That's more than all white and Hispanic victims of homicide combined, even though Blacks are only 13% of the population.
00:34:03.000I can guarantee you they're not being killed by whites, Charlie, because if they were, we would hear about it.
00:34:09.000They are being killed by Blacks and they're not being killed by the police.
00:34:13.000So we've seen the videos, you know, we've seen the videos of the teens rampaging through the stores, looting them, of beating up on Asians.
00:34:26.000And yet, we're all supposed to pretend that there's no crime difference.
00:34:47.000And they don't want, it feels inappropriate to talk about the academic skills gap or to talk about the crime gap.
00:34:55.000Charlie, the time for racial etiquette is over.
00:34:59.000If the left and the mainstream elites are going to go around tearing down our institutions because they have a disparate impact on black criminals and blacks that do not have basic literary literacy skills,
00:35:16.000if they're going to impugn the basic civilizational standards that are necessary to proceed, prosper, and develop science and medicine, then we are going to fight back with the facts.
00:35:30.000And I am not going to be silenced by being called a racist.
00:35:34.000It doesn't matter to me if you call me a racist.
00:35:37.000I have the facts on my side, and I'm going to give those facts if necessary to preserve Western civilization.
00:36:05.000Is it time to tell the truth regardless of what they call us?
00:36:07.000I think that is one of the big takeaways.
00:36:08.000In my opinion, someone says, Charlie, how do we fix this?
00:36:11.000The easiest and a simple way, I mean, there's like a 500 things we need to do, is if white America was willing to tell the truth without being controlled with hypnosis with the R word, our country would be in a much better spot.
00:36:37.000We have to have an alternative explanation for racism.
00:36:40.000Right now, racism is the only allowable explanation for any racial disparity in an Alzheimer's lab, in a cancer research lab, in a law firm, in a tech company.
00:36:51.000As long as racism is the only allowable explanation, the left wins, it is all coming down.
00:36:55.000We have to have the correct explanation, which is the academic skills gaps and the crime gaps.
00:37:01.000And we have to keep getting those facts out, not being cowed, never apologizing, never backing down.