00:00:58.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:39.000But I believe in the Equal Protection Clause of the U.S. Constitution, and I believe that disproportionately and intentionally using the criminal justice system and security apparatus to go after political opponents, all the while you allowed Floyd Palooza to basically unfold is bad for our country.
00:01:56.000It's bad for our republic, not a democracy.
00:02:00.000And we were denouncing what happened on air right now, right here, right as it happened.
00:02:28.000If this was the journey that my life was taking, that I felt that things were going to be okay and that, you know, I had fulfilled my purpose.
00:02:42.000But half of, we came close to half of the house nearly dying.
00:04:01.000Well, it's pretty remarkable, although sadly, it's not terribly surprising how the media is covering it.
00:04:07.000The media, which is the mouthpiece of the regime, is echoing the words of Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris: that January 6th is a day that will live in infamy.
00:04:17.000It's an attack on democracy because it was this giant coordinated terrorist event on the part of Trump supporters, effectively.
00:04:25.000And for that reason, they think that January 6th deserves to be uttered in the same sentence in the same realm as Pearl Harbor and September 11th, which is ludicrous, but it's also very dangerous.
00:04:41.000And it shows you what their political agenda is.
00:04:44.000If January 6th is really that serious, you can only imagine the severity of the response they're calling for for the national security state to crush Trump supporters and anyone adjacent to the alleged threat that Trump supporters and populism pose to our national security.
00:05:03.000Really well, well said, and you're right.
00:05:16.000But you make the more important point, which is they're doing that on purpose.
00:05:19.000They're doing that so then they can provoke a response that it's kind of one of those days that will live in infamy where you get a Department of Homeland Security because of 9-11.
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00:07:14.000So, on January 5th, the day before January 6th, Ray Epps, this man who was once on the FBI's watch list, said that we need to go into the Capitol.
00:07:59.000And then they start saying Fed, Fed, Fed.
00:08:03.000And so Ray Epps has not been arrested, even though he did far more than other people that have been arrested, such as going into the Capitol, instigating and agitating, awfully specific about going into the Capitol.
00:08:24.000He questioned Merrick Garland on the Ray Epps video and the involvement of the Justice Department on January 6th, play cut 71.
00:08:31.000As far as we can determine, the individual who was saying he'll probably go to jail, he'll probably be arrested, but he wants every, but they need to go into the Capitol the next day, is then the next day directing people to the Capitol.
00:08:45.000And as far as we can find, this individual has not been charged with anything.
00:08:49.000You said this is one of the most sweeping investigations in the history.
00:08:53.000Have you seen that video or those frames from that video?
00:08:57.000So as I said at the outset, one of the norms of the Justice Department is to not comment on impending investigations.
00:09:21.000I'm going to say, next time, play the video.
00:09:23.000Literally make Merrick Garland watch the video of this guy, Ray Epps.
00:09:29.000And so you have this strange pattern of behavior where this guy that hasn't been arrested, hasn't been subpoenaed by the committee, was instigating and agitating and leading the activity of what happened on January the 6th.
00:09:48.000Now, what's most interesting, though, is that he was at one time on the federal government FBI's watch list for the events that surrounded January 6th.
00:09:57.000And so when he was on the January 6th website, no one really thought much of it, but then they removed him.
00:10:04.000We don't know what's happened to Ray Epps.
00:10:12.000Ray Epps is the singular soul, only individual in the mountains of video documentary evidence of 1.6, the only person caught dead to rights promoting an explicit mission to go into the Capitol.
00:10:29.000He did so on January 5th, the evening of January 5th, so the day before.
00:10:35.000And this wasn't just some one-off of a drunk who has a crazy idea and we don't hear from him again.
00:10:41.000He follows up on his stated mission the next day.
00:10:44.000He's a veritable Where's Waldo of January 6th?
00:10:48.000And if your listeners go to revolver.news and look at our first bombshell report on Epps, they can watch all the comprehensive video for themselves.
00:11:09.000And then sure enough, right before the initial decisive breach of Capitol grounds, that video that everyone's seen of the metal barricades being busted down by rioters mowing it down, running through the barriers, right before that occurs on 12.53 p.m., Ray Epps is right there, right by the barricade.
00:11:33.000He whispers in a certain individual's ear, and that individual, two seconds later, carries on with that initial and decisive breach.
00:11:41.000And this person, Ray Epps, although, as you mentioned correctly, he was originally on the FBI's top 20 most wanted list.
00:11:50.000The FBI claimed to have tremendous interest in him.
00:11:56.000Then, when the internet identified who he was, there's crickets from the FBI until Revolver.news ran a major piece exposing likely FBI involvement in January 6th.
00:12:08.000Then the next day, the FBI scrubbed Epps' name and face from their public database.
00:12:15.000And the only thing that we've heard from since from FBI agents pertaining to Ray Epps is for an FBI agent of the Phoenix Field Office to deny knowledge that he even exists.
00:14:08.000So that acknowledges that Ray Epps knew people are going into the Capitol, but he's there to do a job, and that's to get people into the Capitol.
00:14:16.000And he doesn't want any more damage than necessary.
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00:16:42.000Darren, tell us about the Ray Epps Gate Proud Boys issue.
00:16:47.000I got part of it, but build that out for our audience.
00:16:50.000The official story of January 6th basically says that the whole event, that initial breach that I mentioned, where Ray Epps was right there at the barricades, that's for the most part attributed to the Proud Boys who arrive at the Peace Monument by the Capitol.
00:17:09.000And that's, you know, that's the full story.
00:17:12.000Well, the bombshell piece that Revolver.news ran tells a dramatically different story and we tell it with unquestionable video evidence.
00:17:22.000And that is this: we identify key players who go on to play decisive, essential roles in cutting down fencing, removing fencing, breaking down barriers, instigating the crowd.
00:17:38.000And all of these people are hanging out, coincidentally, perhaps, hanging out right by the peace monument before the Proud Boys even get there.
00:17:49.000They're all at the same place, and they all go on to play decisive, key roles in engineering a situation such that January 6th can turn from a rally into a riot.
00:18:03.000And I think it's very plausible that, you know, the Proud Boys is itself a heavily infiltrated group.
00:18:11.000We know that its head, Enrique Tario, has a history of being an FBI informant.
00:18:16.000We know that Joe Biggs, who leads the Proud Boy contingent to the Peace Monument, where the other individuals I just mentioned are already hanging out.
00:18:24.000Joe Biggs has admitted that he's in regular communication with the FBI to give the FBI visibility as to the Proud Boys' activities.
00:18:33.000So I think it's very likely that the feds knew that the Proud Boys were going to be at this specific location at a specific time.
00:18:41.000The feds called various informants and agents and people working for them and said, we need you to be there too to help amplify and intensify whatever is going on.
00:18:52.000And I think that's the best explanation to account for the fact that not only are there a bunch of these players unmentioned by the media who play decisive roles, as I mentioned, but that all of these people were loitering at the same place that the Proud Boys got to before the Proud Boys got there.
00:19:11.000And they play the part in this initial breach.
00:19:14.000And so I think that's what's significant for people to understand.
00:19:17.000Beside the fact that all of this occurred, very important, all of this occurred far before Trump's speech even ended.
00:19:26.000So all of these shenanigans are going on while the crowd is still far away from the Capitol, listening to Trump, going about their business, being peaceful.
00:19:35.000But a whole different story was happening by the Capitol, setting the table for the event to turn out the way it did.
00:19:43.000And the people who are the key table setters, as I mentioned, are unindicted, unapprehended, in many cases, not even searched.
00:19:53.000And in one case, we know that the feds know who the guy is, and he's still not arrested, apprehended.
00:19:59.000And so those are really the most damning and pressing open questions that must be answered by officials like Merrick Garland if he would dare to do so.
00:20:12.000I mean, we still don't know the full extent.
00:20:15.000And just so everyone knows, if you look at the map, and that was a great explanation, that's on the northwest corner, if I'm not mistaken.
00:20:22.000And so it would have been the proud boys that were marching down Pennsylvania Avenue or in a Kinn Street to it.
00:20:28.000And then that's where Ray Epps was doing all these weird games with the gates, as if he was trying to provoke and instigate, you know, trying to get people to go to that next interval up.
00:20:40.000I want to get into the pipe bomb issue with you, which I think is really interesting that you have also been covering.
00:20:47.000But let me ask you just in one minute, have you started to see a change in how some conservatives are talking about this?
00:20:54.000Because when you first probably started about this, people were pretty hands-off.
00:20:57.000Are you starting to see the Overton window change a little bit?
00:21:02.000And unfortunately, not everyone is sort of as brave and discerning as you are.
00:21:06.000And, you know, I give you tremendous credit for really having the discernment and courage to pick this up from the very beginning.
00:21:13.000And there are very few people who fit into that category.
00:21:16.000Tucker, Carlson, Steve Dannon, a handful of others.
00:21:21.000As for the Overton window, one thing I've found to be tremendously encouraging is actually people who are traditionally associated with the left, but who understand the history of the government performing exactly these types of operations have embraced revolvers reporting.
00:21:38.000So Glenn Greenwald has been a big champion of our reporting.
00:21:42.000Just earlier today, I did a podcast session with Aaron Matte of the Gray Zone, who's also somebody of the left and a leftist critic of the national security state.
00:21:54.000As for kind of mainstream conservatism, and in certain cases, I mean, it's not a clear definition as to what constitutes mainstream, but I was very encouraged that Mike Huckabee did cover our reporting.
00:22:09.000Glenn Beck has had me on several times, and I'm grateful for that.
00:22:14.000And many congressmen from Thomas Massey, who's generally quite strong.
00:22:22.000And of course, we have our fighters like Matt Gates, MTG, and so forth.
00:22:29.000And so we've got a good group of people covering it.
00:22:33.000I was very disappointed, though, the other day to hear what Ted Cruz had to say about the event, in which he completely, it wasn't only that he refused to cover the revolvers reporting indicating the likelihood of federal involvement.
00:22:52.000It's that he completely leaned into the left and regime's narrative of January 6th as this large-scale, evil terrorist event of MAGA people.
00:23:04.000So that's an area where I think we should be rightly disappointed, if not surprised, certainly disappointed.
00:23:12.000Yeah, and you've seen Thomas Massey, who's been really good.
00:23:15.000He's used your reporting directly in a hearing, Rand Paul as well.
00:23:20.000You're seeing a really interesting coalition that you articulated of libertarians that you and I aren't always playing nice with on certain issues, like on trade and immigration, that have been really good on this, actually, because they've actually been through the security state being used to weaponize dissident groups.
00:23:38.000Okay, so now I want to ask you, who planted the pipe bombs, Darren?
00:23:43.000And I'm really glad that this issue is sort of revived itself on the anniversary of January 6th, because I think talk about the pipe.
00:23:52.000There's so much going on that it's understandable the pipeline, the pipe bomb people would forget about it.
00:23:58.000And we still don't know who planted the pipe bombs, but there are some relevant factors that I would like to enter into the discussion to discourse that are covered more extensively in a Revolver.news piece, specifically on the pipe bomb that we put out shortly after the pipe bomb issue was a thing in the media.
00:24:18.000Now, one thing I think is important to note to tie it in with the Rayeps breach and everything like that is that the word of the existence of these pipe, the pipe bombs at the RNC and the DNC buildings, the word spread almost simultaneously to the initial breach of the Capitol grounds, which is quite remarkable.
00:24:43.000And it was remarkable because, whether intentional or not, it was the perfect diversionary event to marshal what limited law enforcement resources existed at the time at the breach location to have them go and tend to this so-called pipe bomb threat just at that decisive minutes of the initial breach.
00:25:07.000The timing is interesting enough that I think it's worth remarking upon, even though I can't say anything definitive based on the timing.
00:25:17.000Another thing that I think is really interesting about this pipe bomb, and again, it's covered extensively in the Revolver report on it, is it's very clear that despite the FBI's claim that they're so interested in getting to the bottom of this, all they release is very truncated, abbreviated, selective, highly distorted, grainy footage.
00:25:42.000Now, there's no way that they don't have more footage of this alleged pipe bomber.
00:25:49.000There's no way they don't have more evidence, forensic evidence, fingerprints, all kinds of things that they can release to the public.
00:25:57.000And so I think it's worth pointing out just the discrepancy of how they claim to be so interested in finding out who this person is, and yet they don't give the public any reasonable basis on which to make that identification, even though we know that they have more information they're putting out.
00:26:14.000And it's worth comparing that to the way that the feds initially responded to Rayeps.
00:26:20.000Remember, we covered the fact that right after Ray Eps, they put him on their most wanted list.
00:26:25.000They said, We need your help, Americans, in identifying this man.
00:26:30.000And sure enough, the internet sleuths identified who he was, and the feds were not interested.
00:26:36.000I think you see a similar type of charade here with the pipe bomb scenario, where this kind of false display of interest that really does not comport with the level of information that they've given to the public that could be very useful.
00:26:53.000And there's a final point, and that is this.
00:26:56.000Initially, the person who was appearing in all these public pronouncements saying we need your help in identifying this guy, it's a very interesting individual.
00:27:07.000Now, he was calling for help identifying the pipe bomber in his capacity as an agent of the DC FBI field office.
00:27:17.000But what many people don't know is just weeks before that, he had a different role and a very important role.
00:27:25.000And that is that he headed up the Detroit FBI field office, where he was the guy leading the infiltration operation into what is usually known as the Michigan kidnapping plot.
00:27:38.000A plot that we now know is overwhelmingly infiltrated by the feds that has such a strong entrapment case that the defense counsel for the defendants there are using an entrapment defense.
00:27:54.000We know that 12 out of the 26 of these so-called plotters were either informants or agents.
00:28:00.000And it's conveniently the guy who oversaw all of that in his new capacity as the investigator for January 6th, calling for information about the pipe bombs.
00:28:12.000And to add to that, there's a couple very obvious things about the pipe bomb story that never made sense to me, which is they weren't detonated, which thankfully, but that's interesting, but they were placed.
00:28:41.000Presumably, like, who knows what the feds have done themselves, but that just goes to show there's a tremendous amount of information that could be useful to the public in identifying this person that has not been made public.
00:28:54.000And so it really calls into question the sincerity of the FBI when it says, We really need your help.
00:29:01.000We really have an interest in identifying this person.
00:29:04.000And we've seen this pattern before with Ray Epps and others, this kind of false, performative gesture of, oh, we really want to get to the bottom of it, where every other indication shows that they have zero interest in getting to the bottom of it, possibly because the actual truth of it is very damning to these agencies themselves.
00:29:26.000Yeah, I mean, so what would potentially want to speculate what it could be, but you know, if someone's going to call January 6 a terrorist attack, the only thing that could really justify is planting bombs at a political office.
00:29:42.000And if it wasn't, if it was just faulty bombs that were planted to try to create a diversionary attack or to try to create a different news story, it's so it's it's a it's its own universe from what happened at the Capitol, right?
00:29:59.000I don't even want to speculate because we don't know, but if you're looking at this just objectively, it looks as if it might have been a right-hand, left-hand thing.
00:30:10.000It might have been just some sort of operation that went wrong.
00:30:15.000But you would think that with all the technology at our disposal, we'd be able to find the people that did that.
00:30:36.000Does your intuition, does your suspicion believe that there's even more that you have not yet, let's say, verified in regards to the federal government's involvement on 16?
00:30:50.000I mean, there's There's more in just things that our research team has discovered that we simply haven't had time to put in publishable form yet.
00:31:02.000It's just as, in some cases, even more damning than what we've already reported.
00:31:08.000And as for what we've already reported, there's a lot more in this sense, that this story now has enough weight and momentum that it's not going away.
00:31:17.000And I'm tremendously encouraged by the fact that the defense counsels in many of the January 6th cases have taken Revolver's investigative reporting seriously and have taken the steps to use their legal authority to subpoena people like Ray Epps, to subpoena people like Stuart Rose, because we all know that we're never going to get that from the January 6th Committee, at least in its present composition.
00:31:43.000And so the best bet to actually getting to the truth of these characters that are already covered extensively and we know there's something suspicious, we need answers, we can get this from the Defense Council using their legal authorities.
00:31:57.000And an off chance, I've said this before publicly, and I think it's worth saying again, we have people like Ray Epps.
00:32:04.000We have other people who likely have a story to tell.
00:32:08.000And the feds and their handlers, in many cases, they treat their informants and even some agents like Pons, and they're deceived as well.
00:32:18.000And I think there's a good chance that if not Ray Epps, some of these people are having a crisis in conscience or they feel tricked or what they ended up partaking in turned out to be not what they wanted to partake in.
00:32:30.000And I would call on at least one of these people to step forward, do the right thing.
00:32:36.000You're now involved and complicit in one of the biggest scandals in American history, and you have the opportunity to become one of the biggest American hero whistleblowers in American history.
00:32:46.000So I hope at least one person will do the right thing, stand up, speak out, and tell the American people the truth that they deserve to hear.
00:33:03.000You have to get to the bottom of this.
00:33:04.000There will be somebody, a secretary, a desk worker, an email that will show that there was some sort of concerted effort to instigate or to propel forward.
00:33:17.000And the Ray Apps, the Ray Apps video, which you found, Darren, is like as close to a smoking gun as you can get, where you repeatedly say the night before, we have to go into the Capitol, we have to go to the Capitol.
00:35:47.000Part of her January 6th remembrance is a song by Lynn Manuel Miranda performed by the cast of Hamilton.
00:35:57.000If they only knew anything about Alexander Hamilton, I think that would probably change their opinion, but they don't really care, obviously.
00:36:07.000That was a great conversation with Darren Beattie, and he really is doing a great job.
00:36:11.000And he brought up a really interesting point.
00:36:13.000And Glenn Greenwald is someone that I've been emailing back and forth with.
00:36:16.000I really want to get on the program for a different reason because Glenn Greenwald has been part of someone who has really changed my perspective and my opinion on a lot of different issues, especially when it comes to domestic surveillance.
00:36:28.000And he's been very consistent on this.
00:36:29.000And he was the one, just so everyone knows, Glenn Greenwald worked for the intercept or the Guardian.
00:36:49.000The point is that Glenn Greenwald was the guy that was with Edward Snowden in Hong Kong or Singapore or Malaysia or whatever when Edward Snowden fled Hawaii, had all the uploads of documents from the NSA, and really showed in phenomenal detail the power of the domestic surveillance apparatus.
00:37:10.000And again, I always kind of took more of a national security side, like, oh, we need this to keep ourselves safe.
00:37:18.000And then you saw the corruption with the FISA courts.
00:37:20.000You start to see what these federal agencies are capable of.
00:37:23.000You see John Brennan saying that we should use the national security apparatus to go after Christians, religious fundamentalists.
00:37:30.000I'm one of those, I guess, whatever that means, religious fundamentalist.
00:37:33.000And you start to say, wait a second, if we're really in the business of constitutional guardianship and respect for the rule of law and individual liberty, then we need to say, we don't believe that these federal agencies should just be able to run roughshod over the Fourth Amendment, the Fifth Amendment, due process.
00:37:53.000But what Darren Beattie was articulating that I found to be really profound is that there is kind of this fusionism that's happening between people that care about civil liberties and care about restraining the size and scope of the federal government and its potential abuses, especially when it comes to the security apparatus against domestic political organizations and kind of Trump supporters.
00:38:14.000And this is something that kind of Trump's instincts were always right about.
00:38:17.000Obviously, Trump was largely targeted by the domestic security apparatus.
00:38:24.000Michael Flynn was entrapped by Peter Struckstroke Smirk and Peter Struckstroke Smirk with his lover and him being an adulterer with Lisa Page went after the entire Trump regime before they basically even started within like two weeks.
00:38:41.000And that very same intelligence agency, we shouldn't be stunned if they were trying to do whatever they could.