The Charlie Kirk Show - Re-Evangelizing Britain with Calvin Robinson and Sen. Mike Lee

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00:00:01.000 Calvin Robinson joins us and Senator Mike Lee.

00:00:04.000 Really deep and thoughtful episode.

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00:00:07.000 We talk about the law firm running Congress.

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00:00:30.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:12.000 Joining us now is one of my favorite senators and just a terrific guy, Senator Mike Lee, joins us.

00:01:18.000 Senator, thank you for taking the time.

00:01:20.000 Senator, you have a very powerful thread on Twitter that I want to speak with you about.

00:01:25.000 You have this idea of the law firm, Schumer McConnell, McCarthy, and Jeffries, the firm, as you call it, that does deals in the middle of the night and backroom deals.

00:01:35.000 Walk us through all this, Senator.

00:01:36.000 I think it's fascinating and very important.

00:01:38.000 Senator Mike Lee.

00:01:39.000 Yeah, thanks for inviting me to talk about it.

00:01:41.000 This is a thread that I posted on the Twitter presence that I use for my own personal musings, is my ad-based Mike Lee account.

00:01:50.000 And on that, I explained how this four-person cabal within Congress, I call it the law firm of Schumer McConnell, McCarthy, and Jeffries, comes together and whichever four fit in those positions, the top Republican and Democrat from the House and in the Senate.

00:02:07.000 Over the last decade or so, they've gotten more and more powerful and they've taken it upon themselves very often to be intimately involved in the drafting of spending bills.

00:02:17.000 In many cases, consolidating all spending bills.

00:02:20.000 There's supposed to be 12 separate bills, each funding a different part of government.

00:02:24.000 These guys are put one together.

00:02:25.000 We call that an omnibus.

00:02:27.000 And very often, the omnibus or whatever bill they're putting together will be held back until the last possible moment until a couple of days and sometimes only hours before government funding is about to run out.

00:02:41.000 Then they bring it forward to their respective caucuses, House, Senate, Republican, Democrat, and say, here you go.

00:02:49.000 Here's the bill.

00:02:49.000 It's ready to go.

00:02:50.000 We unfortunately don't have much time to read it.

00:02:53.000 We unfortunately don't have really any time to debate it.

00:02:56.000 We have almost no time left to amend it.

00:02:59.000 So you basically have to take it as is and vote yes.

00:03:04.000 Or you can vote no, but if you vote no, you'll be blamed for a shutdown and we'll make sure of it.

00:03:08.000 So most members vote for it.

00:03:10.000 It usually has the nasty effect of unifying Democrats.

00:03:13.000 Nearly all Democrats jump on board because it almost always spends more money than it did last year.

00:03:18.000 And it peels off just enough Republicans to get it to pass.

00:03:22.000 And so this is how we end up $33 trillion in debt.

00:03:25.000 This is how it happens because of the action of the law firm and the unflinching response of far too many Republicans to say, yeah, I'll jump on board with that, even though we're unifying Democrats, pursuing Democratic priorities for the most part, and we're sharply dividing Republicans.

00:03:41.000 So let's tie this into the 930 fight.

00:03:43.000 And you're right.

00:03:44.000 What they do is they kind of hold these votes hostage that have some necessary components, funding the military, things of that nature.

00:03:51.000 And then they just always, you know, they always will say, well, you know, it's the lesser of two evils.

00:03:55.000 We want to keep the government open.

00:03:57.000 So tie this into the 930 funding fight.

00:04:00.000 And specifically, the timing and the sequence of this omnibus, as you write, quote, was carefully orchestrated by the firm, but ensures that it will pass without any substantive changes once it becomes public.

00:04:11.000 And the very few elected federal lawmakers will have meaningful input in this highly secretive process.

00:04:17.000 This is so dysfunctional, Senator.

00:04:19.000 Walk us through how this is going to unfold in the next couple of weeks.

00:04:23.000 Okay, great question.

00:04:24.000 So as I explain in this thread, it takes me 35 points to make the point in the thread.

00:04:29.000 It's the longest one I've ever posted, but it's kind of a complicated issue.

00:04:33.000 The law firm in recent months has gotten wind of the fact that a lot of members, because they've been hearing about it from their constituents, don't like omnibus bills.

00:04:43.000 So they've started saying, hmm, maybe we shouldn't push omnibus bills.

00:04:47.000 You've started hearing Speaker McCarthy, for example, saying, no omnibus.

00:04:51.000 We're not doing an omnibus this year.

00:04:53.000 No omnibus.

00:04:54.000 And so they've gotten practical and they've said, instead of doing omnibus bills, we're going to do one or two or three, maybe as many as four bills and consolidate them into one.

00:05:06.000 But from what I can tell, they're bent on using a somewhat similar mechanism.

00:05:11.000 So instead of doing one bill, maybe they'll do two.

00:05:15.000 They tried to do some of that yesterday.

00:05:17.000 They tried to consolidate three bills into one in the Senate, stripping out the House-passed bill.

00:05:23.000 We've got one House-passed bill we had in the Senate.

00:05:26.000 They tried to add on Democratic language from the Senate on top of that.

00:05:31.000 That had me concerned that this is going to end up either in an omnibus or in two mini omnibuses between now and September 30th or now and the end of the year.

00:05:41.000 And so there was an objection to it.

00:05:43.000 But what we need, we need the House of Representatives to be legislating something, something that spends less money and something that defunds the parts of government we find most repugnant.

00:05:55.000 I suspect, Charlie, that what we'll end up with sometime between now and September 30th, there may end up being what we call a continuing resolution, perhaps a short-term one that will punt it out a few weeks to give the House more time to pass something with Republican priorities in it.

00:06:11.000 What we want to avoid is the House of Representatives passing something without the majority of the votes coming from Democrats.

00:06:18.000 Remember the debt ceiling deal that we had a few months ago?

00:06:22.000 Remember what happened there?

00:06:23.000 They came up with this deal.

00:06:24.000 Speaker McCarthy pitched it to people as a good deal for Republicans.

00:06:28.000 Only what happened is that in both houses, you had most of the votes coming from Democrats and a few of the votes coming from Republicans, enough to get it to pass in both houses.

00:06:38.000 So there again, we're uniting Democrats on Democratic priorities and sharply dividing Republicans.

00:06:44.000 We need the House to do things that actually cut spending or at least cut spending from the parts of government that harm our interests the most.

00:06:52.000 If we can get that done, we'll be in better shape.

00:06:55.000 The Senate needs to follow the House's lead here because the Republicans control the House, but not the Senate.

00:07:00.000 So tell us about what Senator Ron Johnson did, Senator.

00:07:02.000 I think this is noteworthy in actually slowing this down or preventing this.

00:07:06.000 Walk us through that.

00:07:07.000 Okay.

00:07:07.000 So the one spending bill passed So far this year by the House is in the, it's called the Milcon VA bill.

00:07:13.000 It's a fancy abbreviation.

00:07:15.000 It's short for Military Construction and Veterans Affairs funding bill.

00:07:20.000 It's the only one they pass.

00:07:22.000 We voted to proceed to it this week in the Senate, which was appropriate given that it's something actually passed by a Republican-controlled body.

00:07:30.000 But the plan of the law firm was to take up the Milcon VA bill and add to it, add to it two other bills that have never been passed by the House.

00:07:40.000 Add to it two bills that have gone through the Senate Appropriations Committee controlled by Democrats, funding at higher levels than the House would have done, and funding things that the House wouldn't have agreed to and no Republican should agree to without a lot of the same protections for sanctity of life and all kinds of other issues that we care about as Republicans.

00:08:01.000 Only this required unanimous consent.

00:08:04.000 And yesterday, my friend and colleague Ron Johnson heroically went to the floor and objected to that because it requires unanimous consent to combine these bills.

00:08:14.000 The law firm assumed, hoped, urged, pleaded that Republicans would just let that go, look the other way, maybe not notice.

00:08:22.000 Ron Johnson, to his great credit, went to the floor and objected to this, saying, Look, we shouldn't be advancing Democratic priorities.

00:08:29.000 Let's get Republican priorities in a bill.

00:08:32.000 That's how we want to do it.

00:08:33.000 In the meantime, we should focus only on the Milcom VA spending bill because that's the one the House Republicans have sent us.

00:08:40.000 Let's focus on that alone.

00:08:41.000 Without our consent, without his consent, they can't do that.

00:08:45.000 So, just in closing here, Senator, I'm worried based on what you're telling me, the firm that the way 930 is going to go is potentially that leadership is just going to side with Democrats to get Democrat priorities and the House Freedom Caucus and fiscal hawks like yourself are going to be ignored.

00:09:03.000 Is that a likely outcome coming up on 930 that they'll just put a vote on the floor and moderate Republicans and Democrats will then come in harmony together?

00:09:10.000 It's passed as prologue.

00:09:12.000 We should be very concerned about that.

00:09:14.000 We should be worried that that's exactly what's going to happen.

00:09:16.000 I still hold out some hope here, Charlie.

00:09:19.000 Kevin McCarthy doesn't want to be in that position right now.

00:09:24.000 He would rather not do that because, among other things, his speakership may be in jeopardy if he makes yet another deal with Democrats, passes something with Democrats with majority support coming from Democrats and not Republicans, as he did with the debt ceiling deal, which I thought was a terrible bargain where he snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

00:09:47.000 They looked at the House Republicans and passed a fantastic debt relief bill that, while not perfect, really went a long way towards solving the problem.

00:09:58.000 And the problem there was that he punted on second down.

00:10:01.000 All he had to do was wait a few more days, and we would have been able to achieve some substantial victories, maybe not getting that exact bill passed in the Senate, but substantial parts of it.

00:10:13.000 So that's all we need him to do is hold and continue to work with his caucus to identify things that can unite his caucus and pass those things to extend the spending period by however many weeks is necessary in exchange for some type of concession, some sort of defunding of programs we hate that are used to harm the American people.

00:10:38.000 I think that's a recipe for getting us there.

00:10:40.000 There have been a lot of my friends in the House Freedom Caucus, who I talk to every day, and I know they're working on this.

00:10:47.000 There's been some discussion in that group about possibly coming up with a short-term spending extension in exchange for some border security measures or something like that.

00:10:58.000 There's also been talk led by Ron Johnson That maybe there could be a short-term spending extension through a continuing resolution that would contain something along the lines of the ending government shutdowns act, where you have provisions in place so that we don't end up in a shutdown, and where the law firm loses its control to push bad bills using the threat of a shutdown.

00:11:22.000 That would be a good option as well.

00:11:24.000 I'm open to any of those.

00:11:26.000 We need a win here, and it needs to be a Republican win.

00:11:28.000 Senator, we're behind you.

00:11:29.000 Thank you for your moral clarity, and I encourage you all to follow based Mike Lee.

00:11:33.000 Thank you so much, Senator Lee.

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00:12:34.000 So yesterday, Hunter Biden got indicted.

00:12:37.000 There is more and more evidence that they might be trying to just warn Joe, get out of the way, get out of the way.

00:12:49.000 Remember, we have isolated, I think, better than almost any other program, the things that have gone wrong for the regime this year.

00:12:55.000 Again, you know that we don't do happy talk.

00:12:57.000 Sometimes people say, Charlie, you're too depressing.

00:12:59.000 So when I give you good news, you know it's true.

00:13:04.000 Trump is not in a competitive primary.

00:13:05.000 That's number one.

00:13:06.000 That's a big one, everybody.

00:13:07.000 The fact that Donald Trump is not in a competitive primary.

00:13:11.000 Does anybody hear anything from Ron DeSantis?

00:13:14.000 I'm sure that his super PAC is running paid advertisements, but where's the zeal?

00:13:20.000 Where's the zip?

00:13:21.000 Where's the spice?

00:13:22.000 There's almost no earned media, none.

00:13:26.000 He's a great governor, not running a great presidential campaign.

00:13:30.000 I remain an admirer of his record as governor.

00:13:34.000 In fact, we get hate emails.

00:13:36.000 People say, oh, Charlie, how could you say that?

00:13:37.000 Well, it's true.

00:13:38.000 He is a great governor.

00:13:39.000 I wish he would drop out of the race, but it is what it is. 1.00

00:13:43.000 So the competitive primary is not a thing.

00:13:45.000 Number two, Joe Biden is unbelievably unpopular.

00:13:48.000 Immigration is the sneaky 2024 issue. 0.94

00:13:55.000 Immigration could end up being the COVID of the 2024 election. 0.99

00:13:59.000 You heard it here first.

00:14:01.000 Immigration is one of those issues where you kind of read about it, you hear about it, it's there, and all of a sudden it sneaks up on you and it becomes the issue defining the 2024 election. 0.99

00:14:12.000 It's an invasion on the southern border, and the traditional Republicans say, well, it's the economy stupid. 0.99

00:14:18.000 Yes, I actually think it might be the invasion stupid in 2024. 0.99

00:14:25.000 I think in Arizona in particular, that there will be a hidden Trump vote that will vote for Donald Trump to secure the southern border. 0.95

00:14:35.000 If, if, if, if you start to see Joe Biden and the regime start to close down the border, that's when you know they have serious problems.

00:14:44.000 In New York, they're clamoring like wild to start closing down the border.

00:14:48.000 AOC is getting heckled, heckled about the border.

00:14:53.000 Below the surface, I'm telling you, there is this immigration invasion issue that could swallow the Democrat Party.

00:15:02.000 Keep your eye on it.

00:15:03.000 No guarantees.

00:15:04.000 This is not happy talk time.

00:15:06.000 But I'm starting to see it build and There is this simmering discontent that is brewing.

00:15:19.000 Public services are strained.

00:15:22.000 We know that they're trying to intentionally change the demographics of the country.

00:15:27.000 But putting that aside for a second, this is angering low-wage middle-class workers that now have to compete against border jumper foreigners that come into the country and cut in line. 0.55

00:15:38.000 10 million.

00:15:40.000 10 million is how many foreigners will have illegally entered America by the end of Joe Biden's first term.

00:15:46.000 10 million people.

00:15:49.000 And so we've kept our eye on the border issue, but now it's impacting blue cities.

00:15:54.000 It's impacting media.

00:15:56.000 It's a place where the media are headquartered, media headquarters.

00:16:00.000 It's impacting California significantly.

00:16:03.000 So don't be shocked.

00:16:04.000 And this, if all the issues where the Democrats are the weakest, the trans issue, they're the weakest.

00:16:11.000 The economy, they're the weakest.

00:16:13.000 And immigration, they're the weakest. 1.00

00:16:14.000 Where would Republicans be the weakest?

00:16:16.000 I say this as 100% pro-life.

00:16:18.000 If the 2024 election is simply about abortion, I don't think we're going to do very well.

00:16:22.000 Just the way it is.

00:16:24.000 So we have to figure that out on how to be strong pro-life, but also win over swing voters.

00:16:29.000 Immigration, immigration, invasion is the silent issue that could end up swallowing the Democrats in 2024.

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00:17:42.000 Joining us now is someone who is at our TPUSA Faith Pastor Summit and who I really enjoy.

00:17:47.000 Extremely smart guy, Calvin Robinson.

00:17:50.000 Calvin, thank you so much for joining the program.

00:17:52.000 Sean, it's an absolute pleasure.

00:17:54.000 Thank you for a kind introduction.

00:17:55.000 So Calvin, first, just what's your reaction from being at the TPUSA Faith Summit?

00:17:59.000 What have you learned?

00:18:00.000 What have you seen?

00:18:02.000 I would love your initial reaction.

00:18:04.000 It's an amazing environment.

00:18:05.000 This is like the remnant.

00:18:06.000 This is the Orthodox Christians coming together to say enough is enough.

00:18:10.000 The world around us is imploding.

00:18:12.000 We're taking Christian values out of Western society. 1.00

00:18:15.000 And this is the remnant coming together to say, how do we restore that?

00:18:18.000 How do we restore Christendom?

00:18:19.000 So it's great to be here.

00:18:20.000 It's enthusiastic.

00:18:21.000 So tell us more about your work for the audience that is not aware.

00:18:25.000 You are in our sister country across the pond, fighting for righteousness and truth in a country that unfortunately is even farther gone in some ways than America.

00:18:34.000 Tell us about your work.

00:18:35.000 Well, half my time I spend in a parish.

00:18:38.000 I'm a deacon in a parish in northwest London.

00:18:40.000 And half my time I spend in media ministry, I have a TV program on GV News called Calvin's Common Sense Crusade, where we look at current events from a faith perspective.

00:18:48.000 And I think that's what's missing in our society today, that faith perspective. 1.00

00:18:52.000 It used to be that everyone in England would identify as Christian at one point, maybe as soon as 100 years ago.

00:18:58.000 And that has gone down tremendously in the last 50 years to the point that now atheists are in the majority in a Christian country.

00:19:05.000 And that's disturbing for many reasons, but one of them is that they want to remove Christian values from everything.

00:19:10.000 And at the same time as removing Christian values, they want to promote other values that they see as foreign and exotic.

00:19:16.000 For example, Islamic values, which we know to be counterproductive and the antithesis of Christian values in many respects. 1.00

00:19:23.000 So it's very disturbing to see that Islamic values being pushed as the norm in a so-called Christian country. 0.99

00:19:29.000 So that's what I'm fighting against, actually.

00:19:31.000 I'm fighting against liberalism, but also fighting against Muhammadism and trying to promote what we know to be good, what we know to be true. 0.94

00:19:37.000 Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior.

00:19:39.000 He is the truth.

00:19:40.000 And that's what we're trying to push back into normality.

00:19:42.000 So Calvin, let's talk about one of the things you're pushing back against, which is the new state-run religion of the trans agenda. 0.99

00:19:49.000 I'm sure this has swept your country as much as it has our country.

00:19:52.000 In fact, I was so moved by one of the pictures where there was, I believe it was right near Buckingham Palace in downtown London, where it looked like it was a colonized country where there were more gay flags than anything I've ever seen.

00:20:04.000 What drives this and connect how a secular country needs to find some sort of pagan God to attach themselves to?

00:20:12.000 That is a very good point.

00:20:12.000 So everyone has to believe in something.

00:20:15.000 And what they say, if you believe in nothing, you believe in everything.

00:20:17.000 That's what's happening at the moment.

00:20:18.000 We've removed Christianity from the public square. 1.00

00:20:20.000 And so it's been filled with everything else.

00:20:22.000 And the trans movement is just one part of the wider woke religion.

00:20:27.000 You know, trans theory, queer theory, critical race theory.

00:20:30.000 They're all part of the same woke religion, which is actually, as you know very well, it's neo-Marxism.

00:20:35.000 It is communism.

00:20:36.000 It is the anti-Christianity. 0.94

00:20:38.000 And that's what's being pushed in the public square.

00:20:40.000 As you mentioned, right by Buckingham Palace on Regent Street, the whole street was paved with these flags.

00:20:46.000 It felt like we'd been conquered.

00:20:47.000 It felt like we've been taken over as a nation by a foreign entity. 0.73

00:20:50.000 And that foreign entity is the enemy himself. 0.93

00:20:52.000 And I think the answer to that is to say, well, yeah, God loves you as you are.

00:20:57.000 God knew you before you were born.

00:20:58.000 And God designed you in the way that you are.

00:21:00.000 So if you are a man, God designed you as a man.

00:21:03.000 If you are a woman, God designed you as a woman. 1.00

00:21:05.000 God made you male or female. 0.66

00:21:06.000 He made you in his image.

00:21:08.000 There is no changing your sex. 0.99

00:21:09.000 It's an impossibility.

00:21:10.000 It doesn't make any logical sense.

00:21:12.000 When people say, I'm in the wrong body, we should remind them, no, you are your body.

00:21:16.000 You are your soul and you are your body.

00:21:17.000 You cannot be in the wrong body any more than you could be in the wrong soul.

00:21:20.000 It's illogical.

00:21:22.000 So we've got to remind people that God loves them as they are.

00:21:24.000 Of course, he wants them to repent of their sins and change them that way.

00:21:27.000 But physically, he loves people as they are because that's how he intended them to be.

00:21:31.000 And, you know, Calvin, one of the issues that I find is that as America or the West becomes increasingly secular and we see these fake religions fill the void, it's very clear that it creates misery, desperation, depression, anxiety, societal chaos, and discord. 0.59

00:21:52.000 So how should Christians then respond to this?

00:21:54.000 Because in your country, it's even more difficult because you're even more secular country than America, which America still has a remnant of, you know, the faithful.

00:22:05.000 How then should Christians respond to this?

00:22:06.000 And talk about your own personal story and some of the pushback you've received for the stances that you've taken.

00:22:11.000 I think the way that Christians respond to this is through mercy, compassion, charity, and forgiveness.

00:22:17.000 The forgiveness is the key because all of these fake religions from trans theory to queer theory to critical race theory, what they have in common is they have no mercy, they have no compassion, they have no charity, and they have no forgiveness. 0.79

00:22:28.000 Take, for example, critical race theory, this idea that whiteness is somehow an inheritor's sin, one that you cannot repent of, one that you cannot be forgiven of, and therefore you are stuck with it for life. 0.56

00:22:38.000 Now, the Christian faith teaches that anyone is a sinner, everyone is a sinner, but you can repent of your sins, that you are forgiven.

00:22:45.000 God forgives you for them, and we forgive each other for them.

00:22:47.000 And that's far better than this idea that you cannot change what you are and therefore you are irredeemable.

00:22:52.000 So that's one way we should show a better example by forgiving people.

00:22:56.000 But the other way is by living as the salt, living as the light in this ever-darkening world around us.

00:23:01.000 It is living in truth.

00:23:02.000 It is living in Christ.

00:23:04.000 And sometimes that means going against the grain.

00:23:07.000 People do not like the truth these days that the faux woke religion wants people to avoid suffering because it sees suffering as bad.

00:23:14.000 Well, we know as Christians that there is no joy without suffering.

00:23:17.000 We also know that Christ is with us in our suffering and suffering is a part of the human condition that we cannot avoid.

00:23:23.000 So we have to say, actually, if you're going through some suffering, that's okay.

00:23:26.000 But Christ is with you in your suffering.

00:23:28.000 And we can talk to you about that.

00:23:28.000 We can talk to you about how to get through your suffering, how that helps shape you and form you as an individual for what is to come next in the world to come.

00:23:36.000 So we have lessons we can impart.

00:23:38.000 But all of this comes down to the fundamental value that Christians are not, we're not superior.

00:23:43.000 We're not judging.

00:23:44.000 We're not judgmental.

00:23:44.000 We're not saying you are a sinner, you're a bad person.

00:23:46.000 What we're saying is, I'm a sinner.

00:23:48.000 What we're saying is we are sinners.

00:23:50.000 And that is understandable because we're all fallen.

00:23:52.000 And there's a better way.

00:23:53.000 Let us tell you about that better way.

00:23:54.000 That way is Jesus Christ. 0.91

00:23:56.000 So Calvin, speak about kind of your, let's just say, battle with organized religion.

00:24:01.000 How have you been treated for these stances that you've articulated?

00:24:06.000 Well, the problem is when you step out in the truth, the people that don't like the truth will try to persecute you for it.

00:24:11.000 But as we know, persecution is fine because it's prophesied that we will be persecuted, but we will be blessed because we are persecuted.

00:24:18.000 And I'm an example of that.

00:24:20.000 I was going through discernment in the Church of England to become a priest in the Church of England, the official state church of our country.

00:24:28.000 I went through the correct process.

00:24:29.000 I got sent to Oxford for formation and training.

00:24:32.000 And at the end of my training, the hierarchy, the bishops in the Church of England said, you know, you've got to not just go along with us theologically, you've also got to go along with us politically.

00:24:42.000 You've got to agree on these issues of race, on gender, on sexuality that are in contrast with the Bible.

00:24:51.000 And I said, well, I can't do that.

00:24:53.000 One prime example was that the Bishop of London said, the church is institutionally a racist, Calvin.

00:24:58.000 I said, I don't think the church is racist.

00:24:59.000 I think there are individuals who are racist and those individuals should be held to account, quite right.

00:25:03.000 But the church itself can't be racist.

00:25:05.000 And if we say it is, we're passing off personal responsibility onto the corporate responsibility.

00:25:10.000 I don't think that's right either.

00:25:12.000 And she turned around and said to me, as a white woman, I can tell you it is racist.

00:25:15.000 And I'm thinking, well, I'm clearly not going to agree with you on this.

00:25:18.000 And as a mixed race person, I don't feel my lived experience is that it isn't racist.

00:25:22.000 But of course, they only listen to the lived experiences that line up with their current politics.

00:25:26.000 Yes, that's right.

00:25:27.000 Yeah, it's not about lived experience.

00:25:30.000 It's about weaponizing the idea of the lived experience to try to confirm what their orthodoxy and their narrative.

00:25:37.000 And there are these several fake religions.

00:25:39.000 One of them, Calvin, is the fake religion or the alluring belief of tolerance.

00:25:45.000 Should we be tolerant of things that are evil?

00:25:49.000 Absolutely not.

00:25:49.000 Tolerance is not a Christian virtue.

00:25:51.000 And it's one of the lies they keep pushing.

00:25:53.000 We have to be tolerant.

00:25:54.000 We have to be tolerant and kind.

00:25:55.000 Well, kindness and tolerance are not Christian virtues.

00:25:58.000 We should not tolerate sin.

00:25:59.000 We should not tolerate evil.

00:26:00.000 We are told in the Bible we should hate evil.

00:26:02.000 Of course, that doesn't mean hating people.

00:26:04.000 We should never hate people.

00:26:05.000 We should hate the sin and not the sinner.

00:26:07.000 And as Christians, we can differentiate between the two.

00:26:10.000 Many of the liberal left cannot differentiate between the two. 0.78

00:26:12.000 And when you say things like sex outside of marriage is fornication, that is a sin.

00:26:16.000 It's a bad thing.

00:26:17.000 They'll say, how can you call us bad people?

00:26:18.000 And it's like, well, we're not calling you bad people.

00:26:20.000 We're saying we're all sinners and we're all fallen.

00:26:22.000 And what you're doing is sinful.

00:26:23.000 It's separating you from God and God's order.

00:26:25.000 That's not a good thing.

00:26:27.000 So we have to get back to teaching people what sin means and how to get away from sin.

00:26:31.000 You know, I did a segment on my show where I said marriage is between one man and one woman.

00:26:36.000 And it's not possible for two men to be married because that means something else.

00:26:39.000 The word marriage has a meaning and homosexual activities are sinful. 1.00

00:26:43.000 And I came off and the moment I got off air, people were saying, you can't say that, Calvin.

00:26:47.000 It's not bullet simple.

00:26:48.000 It's legal.

00:26:49.000 And it just shows me how confused people are that they're conflating the law of man with the law of God.

00:26:54.000 And the law of man can never override the law of God.

00:26:58.000 And when you can't even say very clear moral teachings, you know that you're living in an awfully morally confused universe.

00:27:06.000 And so, but some Christians say we shouldn't speak out on the moral, the cultural issues.

00:27:11.000 It's just about preaching the gospel.

00:27:13.000 How would you respond to that?

00:27:15.000 I would say that's very lazy and very inconvenient, isn't it?

00:27:17.000 Yes, we are supposed to preach the gospel, but we're supposed to live the gospel too.

00:27:20.000 We cannot just stand there and talk about it on a Sunday and then go home and live decrepit lives.

00:27:24.000 We have to proclaim Christ in everything that we do, in the way we breathe, the way we work, the way we walk, everything should say, I am a Christian, I believe in Christ.

00:27:31.000 And you should be able to look at someone and say, he is a follower of Jesus Christ.

00:27:34.000 And you can tell that because he lives differently to the world around him, which is actually darker than what's going on.

00:27:39.000 And we want to look for the light and the salt.

00:27:40.000 And that is the Christians. 0.94

00:27:41.000 That is Christ himself.

00:27:43.000 Calvin Robinson is here.

00:27:44.000 I encourage you guys to check out his website, CalvinRobinson.com.

00:27:49.000 He, as you can tell, is from England and is incredibly wise and articulate.

00:27:54.000 I wish most American pastors were like you, but I will say that I know that you are a rarity in both of our countries.

00:28:04.000 That is for sure.

00:28:07.000 Calvin, I'm going to play a piece of tape here that we have not yet covered.

00:28:11.000 And I would love your reaction.

00:28:12.000 BBC, which I believe is funded by the taxpayers of your wonderful country, is creating re-education videos for the United Kingdom children, telling them that the original Britons were black. 0.60

00:28:22.000 I don't know if you saw this or not.

00:28:22.000 Let's play Cut 94 and I would love your reaction.

00:28:24.000 Playcut 94.

00:28:56.000 So and then the showrunner says that they have to tell a lie to promote black people in places where they historically wouldn't have been.

00:29:03.000 Your reaction, Calvin Robinson?

00:29:05.000 Charlie, this is embarrassing, honestly.

00:29:08.000 So my family were one of the first families of black people in the United Kingdom.

00:29:11.000 They came over.

00:29:12.000 The Jamaican side of my family came over during the Windbrush period in the 1950s.

00:29:16.000 Prior to the 1950s, there were very few people of ethnic diversity in the United Kingdom.

00:29:20.000 That's not a good or a bad thing.

00:29:22.000 That's not a judgment call.

00:29:23.000 That's just a fact.

00:29:24.000 And what they're trying to do with this video, the BBC, what they're always trying to do is propagandize the nation into a false revisionist history.

00:29:32.000 This idea that immigrants built Great Britain is what we're often hearing.

00:29:36.000 And that we've always had black people in Britain.

00:29:38.000 But we haven't.

00:29:39.000 Why lie?

00:29:40.000 Britain was built by Brits, the native Brits. 0.96

00:29:42.000 That's not a good or a bad thing.

00:29:44.000 I mean, you could argue either way if you wanted to.

00:29:46.000 But to change it, to lie about it, is saying, actually, we need to focus on people who are skincare again.

00:29:51.000 We need to get back to this idea of black people being somehow superior to white people. 0.69

00:29:54.000 Just like the feminist movement paints women as better than men. 0.99

00:29:57.000 The race movement, civil race movement at the moment, is painting ethnic minorities as superior to white people and saying that white people are naturally oppressors, naturally horrible, evil people. 0.99

00:30:07.000 And pretty much everyone is a Nazi. 0.98

00:30:09.000 It's like, what is going on here?

00:30:10.000 Can people not see the division that's being pushed by our state broadcaster?

00:30:15.000 It's wicked.

00:30:15.000 It's wrong.

00:30:16.000 And we need to defund it.

00:30:18.000 What is the agenda then?

00:30:20.000 I'm just understand, just from your perspective.

00:30:22.000 And do everyday rank and file members of your country, are they okay with just the complete rewriting of just it's it's an insult to history, isn't it?

00:30:34.000 It is an insult to history.

00:30:36.000 I think about 13% of the British population are ethnic minorities and over 25% of people are on screen on BBC content or ethnic minorities.

00:30:46.000 Massive overrepresentation going on there.

00:30:48.000 But it's not just in the BBC, it's everywhere.

00:30:49.000 If you walk around in London, look at any billboards, look at any advertisement, you will see the brown faces.

00:30:55.000 And why is that?

00:30:56.000 Why is it there this overrepresentation?

00:30:58.000 They're trying to paint a picture that the population is different to what it is.

00:31:02.000 And when you ask me what is the motivation there, I think it's division.

00:31:04.000 I do think they're trying to get people to fight within themselves.

00:31:07.000 I think they want to get black versus white as much as they want to get women versus men. 0.62

00:31:10.000 They want to get trans versus ordinary folk fighting against each other. 0.87

00:31:15.000 Because when we're fighting against each other, we're not seeing what they're doing, we're distracted.

00:31:18.000 And when we look at what's going on this, this globalization that's happening not just in our country but across the entirety of the West, we see a move towards one world government.

00:31:27.000 We see the United Nations, the who, the w.

00:31:31.000 Okay Calvin, you're breaking up a little bit.

00:31:32.000 I encourage people to check out Calvinrobinson.com.

00:31:35.000 He is terrific, he's excellent.

00:31:37.000 Follow him.

00:31:37.000 This commentary was really appreciated.

00:31:40.000 Check it out, Calvinrobinson.com.

00:31:44.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:31:46.000 Everybody, email us your thoughts.

00:31:47.000 As always, freedom at Charliekirk.com.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - September 15, 2023

Re-Evangelizing Britain with Calvin Robinson and Sen. Mike Lee

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