The Charlie Kirk Show - Real Immigration Reform + Markwayne Mullin vs. Rand Paul

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00:01:09.000 All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:12.000 It is March 18th, 2026.

00:01:15.000 Lots of news this morning.

00:01:17.000 Obviously, we have DNI Tulsi Gabbard testifying before the Senate.

00:01:22.000 We have also a very fiery exchange happening with DHS, the nominated secretary, Mark Wayne Mullen.

00:01:31.000 I think a lot of people were looking forward to the Tulsi Gabbard hearing, especially with the events yesterday with Joe Kent.

00:01:38.000 But instead, it turns out the DHS hearing is the more exciting one.

00:01:41.000 Not early for good reasons.

00:01:44.000 Yeah, let's get into it.

00:01:45.000 So here's kind of the moment that kind of kicked it all off.

00:01:49.000 It was very, very tense, very, very early.

00:01:52.000 Sat too. 0.92

00:01:53.000 You told the media that I was a freaking snake and that you completely understood why I had been assaulted. 0.97

00:01:59.000 You went on to brag that you'd already told me to my face that you completely understood and approved of the assault. 0.98

00:02:06.000 Well, that's a lie.

00:02:08.000 You got a chance today.

00:02:09.000 You can either continue to lie or you can correct the record.

00:02:12.000 You have never had the courage to look me in the eye and tell me that the assault was justified.

00:02:17.000 So today you'll have your chance.

00:02:20.000 Today I'll give you that chance to clear the record.

00:02:22.000 Tell it to my face.

00:02:23.000 If that's what you believe, tell it to me today. 0.99

00:02:25.000 Tell the world why you believe I deserve to be assaulted from behind, have six ribs broken and a damaged lung. 0.90

00:02:32.000 Tell me to my face why you think I deserved it. 0.92

00:02:36.000 That was two Republicans.

00:02:38.000 That's two Republicans.

00:02:39.000 There's some like honor culture stuff going on here.

00:02:42.000 You know, you got the Kentucky honor culture and the Oklahoma honor culture.

00:02:46.000 So these are two, I would say, spirited men, right?

00:02:51.000 They both have been through a few fights before.

00:02:54.000 In Rand Paul's case, actually, very clearly, he was assaulted, and that's terrible by a neighbor.

00:03:04.000 And that seems to be what the backstory is here.

00:03:07.000 And then, of course, Senator Mark Wayne Mullen is a former MMA fighter.

00:03:11.000 He's a tough guy.

00:03:13.000 He's a man's man.

00:03:14.000 And he got into it with Sean O'Brien, who's a union boss.

00:03:20.000 And that was a very famous clip of him and Sean O'Brien getting into it, kind of threatening, hey, let's do it right now.

00:03:26.000 Let's go outside kind of moment.

00:03:28.000 What's interesting is that Sean O'Brien is sitting now behind Mark Wayne Mullen as a character witness for his confirmation hearing, which I think is very telling about Mark Wayne Mullen as a man.

00:03:39.000 He is somebody that's willing to bury the hatchet.

00:03:41.000 What's a little fight?

00:03:42.000 Tomorrow we'll be boys again kind of thing.

00:03:45.000 So I tend to think that Rand Paul needs to kind of bury the hatchet here.

00:03:49.000 He's obviously upset about some words that were exchanged in the past, but that's kind of Mark Wayne Mullen's deal.

00:03:56.000 He's able to fight.

00:03:56.000 He's able to have heated exchanges and then kind of bury it for the good of the country, for the good of policy, advancing policy.

00:04:05.000 So there's more of this.

00:04:07.000 We can keep playing it.

00:04:08.000 SOP 15.

00:04:10.000 You offer no apology, sir.

00:04:12.000 And you offer no apology today and no regrets.

00:04:15.000 And I'm not apologizing for pointing out your character.

00:04:18.000 Good.

00:04:18.000 So you're jolly well fine and you want the American public and the people up here to vote that may or may not vote for you to know that you supported the felonious violent attack on me from behind.

00:04:29.000 I did not say I supported it.

00:04:31.000 I said I understood it.

00:04:33.000 There's a difference.

00:04:34.000 By calling you by calling.

00:04:35.000 So that means you really didn't approve of it.

00:04:37.000 Just completely understand it.

00:04:39.000 What do you think most people would interpret completely understand to be support for or a condemnation of the violence?

00:04:47.000 Sir, as I said, we can have our differences.

00:04:50.000 It's not going to keep me from doing my job as Secretary of Homeland Security.

00:04:53.000 I'm going to secure Kentucky and take care of Kentucky as much as I am over.

00:04:58.000 Holy cow. 0.89

00:05:00.000 I'm not apologizing for pointing out your character.

00:05:04.000 He's definitely not apologizing there.

00:05:06.000 You don't usually see that in confirmation hearings.

00:05:09.000 Usually they're all eager to paper over things in the past, but Mark Wayne clearly is not taking that approach.

00:05:16.000 I have to say, I'm not justifying what Mark Wayne said.

00:05:21.000 I would say that Rand Paul getting assaulted was terrible.

00:05:24.000 I just can't help but find it a bit endearing that Senator Mark Wayne Mullen won't back down.

00:05:31.000 He's probably sitting there thinking that that was a bit of a cheap shot.

00:05:34.000 Listen, we've got a job to do at DHS.

00:05:36.000 You need to get me confirmed so we can defend the country and the interior and so many other things.

00:05:41.000 And Rand Paul's making it about a squabble that he had with Mark Wayne Mullen at a previous juncture.

00:05:50.000 I get it.

00:05:51.000 He's upset about it, but there are businesses of state to attend to.

00:05:55.000 And you hope that your political leaders are able to put it behind you.

00:05:58.000 So I don't know.

00:05:59.000 I look at this exchange and Mark Wayne Mullen's not one to pull punches either.

00:06:06.000 But it's fiery.

00:06:10.000 You saw the division of the caucus here where you had Bernie Moreno steps in and basically says, listen, you're going to get confirmed here.

00:06:23.000 And it looks like, here, I'm looking for the clip here.

00:06:26.000 I did see it just a second ago.

00:06:28.000 Oh, it's clip five.

00:06:29.000 You are who you are.

00:06:31.000 And I think that's what you don't apologize for, is just being yourself.

00:06:34.000 And sometimes we're imperfect.

00:06:36.000 We don't do the 20-person focus group every time you say a word.

00:06:41.000 And I think that's what people like about you, Mark Wayne.

00:06:44.000 So I appreciate you being here.

00:06:45.000 I honestly just have one question for you.

00:06:48.000 Do you pledge to support and defend the United States of America nearly as much as you would protect and defend your family?

00:06:57.000 Without doubt, sir, yes.

00:06:59.000 So I'm going to ruin everything for the audience.

00:07:02.000 You will be confirmed.

00:07:04.000 You will have the job.

00:07:07.000 And you're going to make this country safer and better.

00:07:09.000 And for that, I thank you and thank your family for supporting you.

00:07:12.000 Yeah.

00:07:12.000 So for those wondering, it is close enough in the Senate.

00:07:16.000 If Rand opposes him and no Democrats switch sides, which I think Fetterman is on this committee, so that might happen.

00:07:23.000 But if he gets rejected, that would hold up the nomination, but the full Senate can do anything.

00:07:29.000 And so obviously the president's going to insist upon this.

00:07:32.000 And so, you know, Thun can force it through. 1.00

00:07:35.000 But presuming, assuming he hasn't defended any other, too many other Republicans with remarks.

00:07:43.000 But I'm reminded, Blake.

00:07:46.000 Like, I'm reminded, and you'll remember this, when we had Senator Mark Wynn Mullen on the show, and he was very honest about his feelings about a certain Supreme Court justice.

00:07:55.000 So this is something that we've seen Mark Wayne Mullen do.

00:07:58.000 He is very honest about folks that he thinks, I guess you would say, have character issues.

00:08:06.000 And, you know, right, right or wrong, I don't know.

00:08:08.000 I just, maybe I'm biased because he's come on the show so many times, but, you know, I find it endearing.

00:08:15.000 And that's only one of the hearings this morning, folks.

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00:09:32.000 All right, so Tulsi Gabbard, I would say there's some high watermarks and there's some room for improvement here.

00:09:40.000 And I'm trying to be constructive.

00:09:42.000 I'm a fan of Tulsi's.

00:09:43.000 I think she's a great patriot.

00:09:45.000 Charlie loved Tulsi.

00:09:46.000 She is knocking it out of the park on Islam. 1.00

00:09:50.000 Absolutely home run.

00:09:52.000 Listen to her right here on the threat of Islamic terrorism, something that we care greatly about on the show, Sat 9. 0.97

00:09:59.000 The United States continues to face a complex and evolving threat landscape with a geographically diverse set of Islamist terrorist actors seeking to propagate their ideology globally and harm Americans, even as al-Qaeda and ISIS remain weaker today than they were at their respective peaks.

00:10:17.000 The spread of Islamist ideology, in some cases led by individuals and organizations associated with the Muslim Brotherhood, poses a fundamental threat to freedom and the foundational principles that underpin Western civilization.

00:10:31.000 Islamist groups and individuals use this ideology for recruiting and financial support for terrorist groups and individuals around the world and to advance their political objectives of establishing an Islamist caliphate which governs based on Sharia.

00:10:46.000 All right, so she's knocking out of the park. 1.00

00:10:47.000 I mean, we have multiple clips here, Blake, of Tulsi being 100% spot on when it comes to the threat of Islam. 0.88

00:10:55.000 You love to hear it, right?

00:10:56.000 Because there's a certain, I would say, emergent set of voices that are, I think, downplaying the threat of Islam in the West.

00:11:03.000 We don't subscribe to that notion.

00:11:06.000 We think that it is a clear and present danger to the future of Western civilization, but specifically to the United States.

00:11:14.000 So I'm very heartened to see.

00:11:16.000 I wish it was specific to the United States.

00:11:18.000 Unfortunately, it is generalized to all of Western civilization.

00:11:21.000 And as you say, some people have made, I think some people, they're just the old-fashioned open borders.

00:11:27.000 Diversity is our strength sort.

00:11:28.000 But another version that's emerged in the last few years is that they just straight up, they take the bargain of, I would rather side with radical Islamists than with Israel or with Jewish people. 0.56

00:11:41.000 Some of them are saying, oh, Christianity is too cocked. 0.92

00:11:44.000 Christianity is too weak. 0.98

00:11:46.000 We need muscular Islam to revive the West. 1.00

00:11:49.000 There's a lot of these very deranged, very delusional takes that have risen in popularity.

00:11:55.000 You're seeing it with young people.

00:11:57.000 And I think Charlie was prescient, and I think others are very correct to identify this threat now and start really pushing back against it before we're like the UK, before we're like France, and this is 10, 15% of the population.

00:12:12.000 And we're having schools forcing all their kids to observe Ramadan, forcing their kids not to eat because it would offend them. 0.57

00:12:20.000 Having these gigantic mass Islamic prayers out in front of your biggest churches, which is what we're seeing in Europe right now.

00:12:27.000 Yeah, and like I said, that's why I'm so glad Tulsi's being honest about it.

00:12:33.000 She's not pulling any punches.

00:12:35.000 She's going straight and direct, which is a good sign, by the way, if we're going to actually make progress on this issue.

00:12:40.000 However, here's the room for improvement.

00:12:43.000 And I know a bit of the backstory here, so it's harder for me to watch it with dispassionate eyes.

00:12:50.000 Okay, so here's SOT 23.

00:12:52.000 This is Senator Warner demanding to know why Tulsi Gabbard was at the Fulton County, Georgia election raid.

00:13:00.000 SOT 23.

00:13:02.000 Election security responsibilities to ensure the integrity of our elections.

00:13:07.000 I want to correct one of your statements that you've made multiple times, which is false.

00:13:11.000 I did not participate in a law enforcement activity, nor would I, because that does not exist within my authorities.

00:13:20.000 The photos are the photos of you all.

00:13:23.000 I was at Fulton County, sir, at the request of the president and to work with the FBI to observe this action that had long been awaited.

00:13:33.000 I was not aware of what was in the warrant or was not in the war.

00:13:36.000 What was the president's specific request for the country?

00:13:38.000 Thank you.

00:13:38.000 What was the specific request by the president for you to show up in Fulton County?

00:13:42.000 To go and observe the FBI's activities on this issue.

00:13:46.000 All right.

00:13:47.000 So she's saying that she was not involved in that.

00:13:49.000 Now, DNI is the top intel official in the country, right?

00:13:54.000 So they gather intel from all the other agencies, about 17 intelligence agencies.

00:14:00.000 A lot of times there's a lot of infighting because it's kind of like having a parent looking over your work, your homework.

00:14:07.000 They don't like that.

00:14:07.000 They want to be more independent.

00:14:09.000 Tulsi's got a heck of a job on her. 1.00

00:14:11.000 But check this out: 201.

00:14:13.000 This is from Just the News.

00:14:14.000 John Solomon has come on the show talking about some of this.

00:14:18.000 It says, U.S. Intel hid Chinese 2020 election meddling from Trump because they opposed his policies according to a memo obtained by Just the News.

00:14:27.000 Great reporting there from John Solomon.

00:14:29.000 We have ample evidence to understand that foreign actors were meddling in our elections.

00:14:35.000 Now, I'm not saying that they meddled in Fulton.

00:14:37.000 They very well could have meddled in Fulton, but the president has had this intel.

00:14:42.000 Tulsi Gabbard has had this intel.

00:14:44.000 It's important that somebody articulate the foreign threat to our elections with strength and conviction in their voice. 0.93

00:14:52.000 And I thought this was a missed opportunity.

00:14:54.000 I'd love to see it.

00:14:56.000 Somebody continue following up.

00:14:57.000 And maybe she's not ready to do it.

00:14:59.000 I defer to Tulsi's wisdom and the timing that she chooses, but somebody needs to articulate fully and forcefully the foreign threat to our elections and our election integrity. 0.60

00:15:11.000 And I thought this was an opportunity to do that.

00:15:14.000 CIA Director John Radcliffe continues to prosecute the case against Iran.

00:15:21.000 There's some great back and forth there.

00:15:23.000 We can go ahead and play SOT 22.

00:15:25.000 If left unimpeded, yes, Senator, they would have the ability to range missiles to the continental U.S.

00:15:34.000 It's one of the reasons why degrading Iran's missile production capabilities that is taking place right now in Operation Epic Fury is so important to our national security. 0.95

00:15:46.000 So lots going on here.

00:15:48.000 To your point, Blake, I thought this was going to be Joe Kent hour, and it seems as though it's kind of all over the place.

00:15:55.000 Now it's ongoing, so we're going to keep monitoring the situation.

00:15:59.000 But so far, it has not devolved into that just yet.

00:16:03.000 Yeah, so far, we shall see.

00:16:07.000 Radcliffe's also reporting on a 25% increase in assets and human resources at the CIA.

00:16:14.000 It's interesting.

00:16:14.000 70% increase in counterterrorism operations.

00:16:17.000 It's good to see them focused.

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00:17:20.000 We are joined by the great Mark Halperin, who is one of the keenest political observers in the country.

00:17:27.000 All right.

00:17:28.000 Mark, we were talking in the break about your read on the hearing so far.

00:17:34.000 So let's start there.

00:17:36.000 You watched the back and forth with Rand Paul and Mark Wayne Mullen.

00:17:40.000 You have a relationship with Rand Paul.

00:17:42.000 I think that's fair to say.

00:17:44.000 What was your reaction to that back and forth?

00:17:47.000 Well, my only relationship with Senator Paul is I've interviewed him and I respect the fact that he's willing to speak his mind even when he's in the minority.

00:17:53.000 I think we could use more senators like that. 0.99

00:17:56.000 Look, there's a personal issue here that I can empathize with, and then there's a substantive one.

00:18:03.000 The personal one is he's a member of a club of 100 and a member of his subclub of the Republican Party seemed to cheer when he was beat up seriously by his neighbor and never apologized for it and continued to kind of make light of it.

00:18:18.000 And I think Senator Paul was right to, even though it's personal and it might seem petty to some, to use that as a prism to wedge into the bigger issue, which I think also based on the available record is legitimate, which is, does this guy have the temperament to have this complicated job?

00:18:34.000 The fact that at a congressional hearing, he tried to fight a guy, Sean O'Brien.

00:18:39.000 Even though they've made up since then, like, I just look at those two data points and say that's a legit area of inquiry for the chairman to take on.

00:18:47.000 And I thought the Senator Mullen's responses weren't great.

00:18:52.000 I didn't think they were great.

00:18:53.000 So if you're someone who has doubts about his temperament to do this job, I don't think he helped himself with the way he handled it.

00:18:59.000 Yeah, I mean, I hear you.

00:19:01.000 I think that's a legitimate line of inquiry.

00:19:03.000 I think that's a line I would agree with.

00:19:05.000 But there's obviously a longer backstory here between the two gentlemen.

00:19:10.000 I think the fact that he's got Sean O'Brien sitting behind him, who he, that was the guy they almost fought in the hearing.

00:19:17.000 He has Sean O'Brien there as a character witness.

00:19:19.000 I think that's the Mark Wayne Mullen that people know and appreciate why he's so well liked.

00:19:23.000 But yeah, he doesn't pull any punches.

00:19:26.000 You know, we had him on this show and he said some things about a Supreme Court justice that kind of our jaws dropped.

00:19:33.000 You know, so I understand the temperament issue, but I tend to think that he's very relatable in that.

00:19:39.000 Yeah.

00:19:40.000 People like him a lot, but let me ask Blake a question.

00:19:42.000 Can I ask Blake a question?

00:19:44.000 Let's say Blake got beat up and by his neighbor, and then you went out in public and laughed and said, I can kind of understand why Blake's neighbor would beat him up.

00:19:56.000 A lot of people in the hospital.

00:20:00.000 This is like a hypothetical, but it's so close to the truth.

00:20:02.000 I kind of get it, Mark.

00:20:04.000 And what I think is funny is, I think, well, it's not funny, but I think what may genuinely be a problem here is I remember when that happened, and I think a lot of people did find it kind of funny.

00:20:14.000 Like, oh, your neighbor came over and beat you up.

00:20:16.000 And I think what a lot of people don't genuinely appreciate is I think Rand Paul was quite seriously maimed in that.

00:20:22.000 He was in the hospital for a long time.

00:20:24.000 Yeah.

00:20:24.000 And I think a lot of people just kind of don't, they don't internalize that fact that that's going to be really personal for Senator Paul because this wasn't something that lasted, you know, this wasn't, oh, I got in a fight one day.

00:20:37.000 It was, I was in the hospital for weeks, I believe.

00:20:39.000 Yep.

00:20:40.000 And the psychology of it, I totally, you're right.

00:20:42.000 And let me just build on that.

00:20:44.000 He was beat up by his neighbor.

00:20:46.000 That's like a really disquieting thing.

00:20:47.000 It's really unsettling.

00:20:49.000 You're in your, you're in your neighbor, you're in your home.

00:20:51.000 You're on your property.

00:20:53.000 And your neighbor beats you up so badly, you're in the hospital.

00:20:57.000 I could see why it would bother him, that his colleague made repeated fun of it.

00:21:02.000 And then today, when he asked his colleague if he would apologize for it, he declined.

00:21:08.000 So again, I'm not telling senators how to vote.

00:21:11.000 I'm not saying this is disqualifying or should be.

00:21:14.000 I'm saying is I think this legitimate issue because that mindset of making fun of someone, your colleague being sent to the hospital by his neighbor and then declining in retrospect to apologize, how hard is it to apologize for that?

00:21:28.000 Seems pretty effortless.

00:21:29.000 And yet he declined.

00:21:30.000 Mark, I would agree with you.

00:21:31.000 Maybe he should have.

00:21:32.000 Maybe he should have.

00:21:34.000 I will just say the backstory here.

00:21:36.000 And again, I have great respect for Rand Paul.

00:21:39.000 I just happen to know, and I'm sure you know this as well, that he's one of those senators that tends to get under a lot of other senators' skin.

00:21:47.000 And there's a lot of scar tissue.

00:21:49.000 There's a lot of backstory there.

00:21:51.000 He can be very frustrating to deal with in the budget process.

00:21:54.000 He holds out his vote.

00:21:55.000 I mean, there's a lot of scar tissue there.

00:21:57.000 So let's just, yeah, we can leave it at that.

00:22:00.000 You did some reporting at Daily Mail last night.

00:22:03.000 The sinister truth.

00:22:04.000 Now, I know, Mark, you don't write the headlines.

00:22:07.000 For people who don't know, Daily Mail, they throw a bunch of stuff at the board and they see what gets the most clicks.

00:22:11.000 All right.

00:22:12.000 So, but the article, we'll get into that with you.

00:22:14.000 Sinister truth about explosive resignation of Trump's top counter terror chief, Joe Kent, and his shot claim, Israel is manipulating the president by Mark Halperin. 0.54

00:22:24.000 What is the backstory here?

00:22:26.000 What have you uncovered in your reporting, Mark?

00:22:28.000 Well, as Daily Mail headlines go, that's like USA Today.

00:22:33.000 That's a perfectly good one.

00:22:34.000 Yeah, that was pretty tame for them.

00:22:36.000 Exactly.

00:22:38.000 You know, it's interesting that Joe Kent had this job because no one who's followed his career or dealt with him is the least bit surprised that he would quit and that he would quit over this.

00:22:50.000 You know, I think all the time, I had Ralph Reid on my show on Next Up yesterday.

00:22:56.000 We talked about this thing I'm so focused on as a reporter, which is what if Charlie were still here.

00:23:02.000 And I have to say, I think Charlie would have been proud yesterday of Team MAGA for mobilizing so quickly with very few fingerprints to make it clear to not just to Kent, who's going on with Tucker and maybe with Candace and Mark Levin, but to other people who are thinking of quitting over the war, your public, vociferous opposition will not be unchallenged and will not be cost-free to make.

00:23:32.000 Very effective.

00:23:34.000 Maybe not stopping Kent from doing stuff.

00:23:36.000 But now anybody else who wants to do what Kent did is going to have to think twice.

00:23:40.000 And that was the goal of yesterday.

00:23:41.000 And I think they were pretty effective in doing it.

00:23:44.000 Yeah.

00:23:44.000 Yeah, well, let's play some of the clips.

00:23:46.000 I think SAT won this Dan Bongino criticizing the move.

00:23:50.000 I read probably a lot more intelligence than he did.

00:23:54.000 I had access to just about everything.

00:23:56.000 And how you could come to the conclusion that the Israelis did it and there was no imminent threat here? 0.99

00:24:02.000 Really?

00:24:03.000 What about the anti-ship ballistic missiles, the drone program, 440 kilograms of 60% enriched nuclear material, their constant death to America chance?

00:24:14.000 I mean, you know, that's called evidence.

00:24:16.000 In some limited circles, we call that, you know, a clue.

00:24:19.000 I mean, I don't know at what point you thought this wasn't an imminent threat after you've read a lot of the stuff I read.

00:24:25.000 And by the way, that's just the open source stuff we can talk about on the air.

00:24:29.000 I promise you, the president, I promise you, has a bevy of material that if he could do the men in black thing and erase your mind tomorrow, if he told you right now, you would come to the imminent threat conclusion in a snap.

00:24:40.000 Mark, what was your reporting on the intel that Joe Kent had access to?

00:24:46.000 It's murky.

00:24:48.000 It's murky.

00:24:49.000 I think there's no doubt that the administration and maybe Dan there is overstating echoes of the Bush weapons of mass destruction claims.

00:25:00.000 They're overstating it.

00:25:02.000 Almost every expert would say they are.

00:25:04.000 I think it's a bit of a distraction, though, because for decades, presidents of both parties have said Iran must be dealt with.

00:25:13.000 So whether they were a week away or 10 weeks away or two years away, I don't know that it matters.

00:25:19.000 And I think it's kind of unfortunate for the focus of the public and the righteousness of the cause that there's all this attention being paid to is Kent telling the truth?

00:25:29.000 Is the president telling the truth?

00:25:31.000 You know, is Rubio telling the truth?

00:25:32.000 I don't think it matters.

00:25:34.000 Iran is an existential threat and has been. 1.00

00:25:37.000 And presidents of both parties have struggled to find a way to deal with it.

00:25:40.000 And this president has tried something.

00:25:42.000 It may go down in history as a calamity, but he did it because he was trying to achieve an objective shared by his colleagues.

00:25:49.000 It's an objective he's talked about also for decades, even well before he became a politician.

00:25:54.000 Well, and Mark, there's a clip here, and I'm going to be watching closely when Joe Kent goes on with Tucker, maybe with Mark Levin.

00:26:02.000 I'm sure Mark Levin's going to bring up this clip because it does seem to strike against his letter, Sat 8.

00:26:08.000 I've already heard rumors that Fifth Group is going to be sending guys to Iraq because of the escalated situation with Iran now.

00:26:18.000 Yeah.

00:26:19.000 I mean, most Americans aren't aware of it.

00:26:21.000 Our troops in Iraq and Syria have been attacked 150 plus times by Iranian proxies.

00:26:26.000 And when we say Iranian proxies, we got to be clear on what that is.

00:26:29.000 That's the Iraqi government that we pay. 1.00

00:26:32.000 Because after the Iraqi military, we spent $2 trillion on surrendered to ISIS, we had to go back in there in very short order and stand a military back up again.

00:26:39.000 And guess who filled the breach?

00:26:40.000 The Shia militias controlled by Iran did.

00:26:42.000 And the Iraqi government's controlled by Iran.

00:26:45.000 There's other clips of Joe Kent talking about the ballistic missile threat and so much more.

00:26:50.000 So I'm going to be watching those interviews very, very closely to see if he does have intel or if he does have a perspective that could persuade me that Trump wasn't acting on his own agency, that he was dogwalked into this war by Israel.

00:27:06.000 I think that's the main claim here.

00:27:08.000 And I want to see what he's going to present as evidence of that.

00:27:12.000 Well, like there's two claims.

00:27:13.000 One is that there wasn't sufficient evidence of a threat.

00:27:16.000 And the other is it was done on behest, you know, exclusively or primarily at the behest of Israel and the American Jewish lobby.

00:27:23.000 He'll have trouble proving the second one.

00:27:26.000 The first one, I think, is more ambiguous.

00:27:28.000 But as the clip suggests, there's plenty of things he said in the National Town Square that suggest that he did see a threat from Iran.

00:27:36.000 Whether he thought the threat was sufficient or not to warrant the president's actions, if he wants to make that judgment, he should run for president.

00:27:44.000 That's not his call.

00:27:45.000 That's the president's call.

00:27:48.000 Well, that's a very good point you just made.

00:27:51.000 It is the commander-in-chief's call.

00:27:52.000 All right, Mark, you seem like you're in high spirits today.

00:27:56.000 You're making jokes about Blake getting beat up and me laughing about it.

00:27:59.000 Blake, I didn't appreciate it.

00:28:00.000 You know what I think?

00:28:01.000 Blake would, if I got beat up, Eric would laugh about it.

00:28:04.000 He's assuming I would lose the fight.

00:28:06.000 And I don't know.

00:28:06.000 I feel like I work pretty hard.

00:28:08.000 In this hypothetical, your neighbor's massive.

00:28:10.000 Your neighbor's bigger than Mark Wayne Mullen.

00:28:13.000 Okay, this is true.

00:28:14.000 True story.

00:28:15.000 Blake is freakishly strong.

00:28:17.000 I don't know what, I don't know why he is, but I think it's because he used to be, used to have a little bit more weight on you, Blake, which you've slimmed down.

00:28:25.000 And so I don't know if it's like remnant strength, but Blake is weirdly strong.

00:28:29.000 What do you bet?

00:28:30.000 Could you rip?

00:28:33.000 At my best, I've done like 260.

00:28:35.000 That's not bad.

00:28:36.000 That's not bad.

00:28:36.000 260.

00:28:36.000 Yeah.

00:28:37.000 With a spotter or no spotter?

00:28:39.000 No spotter, so I could probably go harder if I had you helping me out.

00:28:42.000 Could you rip the Phoenix white pages in half with your bare hands?

00:28:46.000 Oh, okay.

00:28:47.000 Did they still publish the white page?

00:28:49.000 Wait, what is that, Mark?

00:28:49.000 I'm not familiar with white pages.

00:28:50.000 That was on Rails.

00:28:51.000 Yeah, I know.

00:28:51.000 That was Robin Parker Singer about to send me a text message saying get back on track here.

00:28:57.000 I thought you were going to say, what are the white pages?

00:29:00.000 Yeah, Blake is at the racial thing.

00:29:03.000 Mark, let's turn our attention to the other big hearing that's happening right now in Capitol Hill, and that's with the Intel agencies.

00:29:12.000 I mentioned that I love Tulsi's focus on Islam.

00:29:15.000 I'm very heartened to see that.

00:29:17.000 However, there is, I think, justification for DNI to be involved in things like the Fulton County raid.

00:29:23.000 I thought there was an opportunity for her to articulate that point.

00:29:26.000 We know that foreign actors are trying to meddle in our elections. 0.99

00:29:29.000 This is Intel the president has had for a long time.

00:29:32.000 To what extent, to what effect, we don't know, but that's exactly why it needs to be investigated.

00:29:37.000 What are you seeing from this hearing so far?

00:29:39.000 What are the big takeaways?

00:29:40.000 Well, I'm not crazy on Intel and CIA and others being involved in anything domestic.

00:29:47.000 I think the FBI should deal with all of that.

00:29:49.000 I think history shows it leads to potential abuse when you let intelligence agencies play on domestic front.

00:29:57.000 You know, I've not seen all the hearing.

00:29:59.000 I've been watching it on and off and switching back and forth to the Mark Wayne Mullen hearing.

00:30:03.000 You know, I find hearing format, congressional hearing format with the limited time and a lot of the partisanship to not be that useful.

00:30:10.000 And I think, obviously, a lot of this stuff is classified.

00:30:13.000 So in all honesty, I didn't hear anything that furthered my understanding of the threats America faces around the world.

00:30:19.000 And again, I just don't think the format's particularly conducive to that.

00:30:23.000 Fair enough.

00:30:24.000 I tend to agree with you, actually.

00:30:26.000 I'd much rather see Tulsi Gabbard or Ratcliffe in a long form interview on this show or on John Ryan or whatever.

00:30:35.000 So final point here.

00:30:37.000 And Blake, I think you're going to have some input here.

00:30:41.000 We've had you on to talk about this repeatedly.

00:30:44.000 The strikes in Iran, we want to call it an excursion, a war, whatever your word is for it. 0.80

00:30:48.000 There is a political reality.

00:30:50.000 I think everybody will acknowledge that militarily, we've seen some of the advanced excellence of our military.

00:30:59.000 Nobody's contending that, but the political cost is certainly a contributing factor of how long this is going to drag on.

00:31:05.000 What's your read on it right now?

00:31:07.000 How's MAGA staying together?

00:31:08.000 How's the base staying together?

00:31:10.000 Are we shrinking the coalition by doing this?

00:31:13.000 Your read, sir.

00:31:14.000 Every bit of polling data suggests MAGA staying together, and Chris LaSavita just tweeted about this.

00:31:20.000 MAGA is very solid for this, and not just because they're blindly loyal to the president.

00:31:24.000 There are no boots on the ground.

00:31:26.000 We're not building schools or firehouses.

00:31:28.000 We're not saying we're going to march to Tehran and displace the government.

00:31:32.000 Donald Trump is not against using force.

00:31:35.000 He's for fast.

00:31:37.000 You know, what Mag is against and what a lot of people on the left are against are losing slowly.

00:31:44.000 What the president is for is winning quickly.

00:31:45.000 Now, how quickly will quickly be?

00:31:47.000 All the political fallout, the midterms, the president's legacy, all these things, they'll all be answered by how this goes.

00:31:54.000 If it ends in the next six weeks or less, if it ends with the objectives or most of the objectives being achieved, I think it'll be a net political plus for the president.

00:32:04.000 And if it doesn't, if it goes on longer, if it costs multiple billions, if it does have mission creep, or if the objectives aren't achieved, I think the Republican Party and the president will pay a price, and they should, because the president made this decision on behalf of the party.

00:32:19.000 So all this, I said before, I don't like the conversation about was there sufficient intelligence to go in, because I think there was.

00:32:26.000 I also don't like this discussion about whether the president's breaking his promise.

00:32:32.000 I just don't think he is.

00:32:34.000 I respect those who think he is, but the president is for using decisive force to achieve important and essential objectives.

00:32:41.000 And so far, that's what he appears to be doing.

00:32:44.000 Well, Mark, what occurs to me is, do you think this is, I think we've had repeated cases of this now where there's sort of Trump himself, and then also there's the aura that's built around Trump where they'll emphasize things that aren't necessarily big Trump talking points.

00:32:59.000 The other one that comes to mind, of course, is the Epstein stuff where people are saying, oh, Trump betrayed us on Epstein.

00:33:04.000 He was promising to really go hard at this.

00:33:07.000 And then when you look at the evidence, it's Trump's supporters talk about that a lot.

00:33:10.000 And then Trump gets asked about in an interview and he's like, ah, yeah, yeah, we'll look at the Epstein stuff.

00:33:14.000 And he's never bringing it up of his own volition.

00:33:17.000 And I feel like Iran is similar, where Trump's supporters, and certainly we among them, have emphasized, oh, he avoided these wars.

00:33:24.000 He was the peace president.

00:33:25.000 He had no new wars in his first term, while Trump himself is going around saying, Iran will never get a nuclear weapon.

00:33:32.000 I'm super tough.

00:33:32.000 I'm ready to use force.

00:33:34.000 Do you think this is kind of a recurring pattern?

00:33:36.000 And is that particularly peculiar?

00:33:38.000 I would use the metaphor.

00:33:41.000 No, not necessarily, but I would say the metaphor is Trump's the wizard of Oz and all these other people are the flying monkeys.

00:33:47.000 And the flying monkeys get a lot of attention.

00:33:49.000 And they say, I speak for the wizard, but Trump, I just don't, Trump is the king of inconsistency.

00:33:55.000 There are lots of things he's not consistent on.

00:33:57.000 And again, I have great respect for people on the left and the right and others who don't support this.

00:34:02.000 But it is not a violation.

00:34:04.000 As I read and listen to what he said, as you said, not others have said.

00:34:08.000 Trump has been talking about trying to deal with Iran for decades.

00:34:11.000 Other presidents have for decades.

00:34:12.000 He saw the opportunity in alliance with Israel to do it. 0.63

00:34:15.000 And he's got, I think, pretty specific objectives.

00:34:18.000 Some are must-haves.

00:34:19.000 Some would be nice to have, like regime change.

00:34:22.000 And I think he's going to achieve as much as he can at as low as cost as possible.

00:34:25.000 And not, we're not going to be building schools in Tehran.

00:34:28.000 I'm quite confident of that.

00:34:30.000 Yeah, I think that's well said.

00:34:32.000 You know, Trump is the audible president.

00:34:34.000 Charlie used to say that the unpredictability was the point.

00:34:38.000 So we don't know what he holds in a close hand and an open hand.

00:34:42.000 What are the must-haves?

00:34:43.000 What are the want-to-haves here?

00:34:45.000 Ultimately, I think Israel's pushing for regime change. 0.78

00:34:48.000 I think Trump's willing to deal with this regime if it's a moderate actor.

00:34:52.000 You know, we're just not 100% sure.

00:34:55.000 By the way, I want to play, we're running out of time.

00:34:58.000 There's a cut here we have of 1980 of President Trump raging against Iran.

00:35:04.000 1980.

00:35:05.000 You know, what was he, 30, 33 at that point or something?

00:35:09.000 You know, so I've played it on my show.

00:35:11.000 It's a great clip and it illustrates the point.

00:35:14.000 This is not some political gambit.

00:35:15.000 This is not some whim.

00:35:16.000 This is not some Israel forcing his hand.

00:35:20.000 He's long said this is important.

00:35:23.000 You guys are too young, but if you're his age or my age, he's older than me, but same idea.

00:35:28.000 What Iran did during the Carter years really was informative for how we perceive this regime.

00:35:34.000 And he's been on it since then.

00:35:36.000 And I think probably wish he dealt with it in the first term.

00:35:39.000 Mark Halperin, great work as always.

00:35:41.000 Thank you for your honest analysis.

00:35:43.000 Good to see you both.

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00:35:48.000 You live in a big old metro with lots of scary people, Mark.

00:35:52.000 So be careful out there.

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00:37:12.000 We've been planning this conversation now with rep Andy Ogles, House Freedom Caucus, Tennessee's 5th Congressional District, a great American, great patriot.

00:37:22.000 I've known about this bill for a little while and I'm so excited to talk about it with him.

00:37:27.000 And he's joining us now.

00:37:29.000 Congressman, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:37:31.000 Absolutely.

00:37:32.000 And thank you for having me.

00:37:33.000 Thank you for the great work that you're doing and for the entire team for continuing what is an important legacy for the future of America.

00:37:40.000 So thank you.

00:37:41.000 Thank you.

00:37:41.000 Thank you for saying that.

00:37:43.000 You have unveiled an important bill.

00:37:46.000 I think probably the most consequential immigration bill that I have ever seen.

00:37:52.000 And as somebody that follows this subject closely, sir, I'm very excited to see it.

00:37:58.000 I know it faces an uphill battle, but explain your bill, the Assimilation Act, what it would do, and why it's necessary.

00:38:05.000 Well, and I would argue that this is quite frankly one of the most important pieces, conversations, but also pieces of legislation that we will really try to undertake and pass in modern history.

00:38:17.000 So if you go back to 1965, the Heart Seller Act literally opened the floodgates, this tidal wave of immigration, this really this occupation that we've seen across America with illegals who are flooding our communities. 0.95

00:38:31.000 And so what this does is go back to common sense immigration, simply meaning that if you come here, we get to vet you.

00:38:40.000 We make sure that you actually have a skill, a marketable skill that you can deliver to the American people.

00:38:47.000 So if you come here and you can't work, you can't get a job, then you don't get to come in because what we've seen is roughly 50 to 60% of the Afghanis that came here are on social welfare.

00:38:57.000 Look at the Somalians that have come here. 1.00

00:38:59.000 Almost 80% are on social welfare.

00:39:02.000 They're not coming here to make America great.

00:39:04.000 They're coming here to make themselves greater.

00:39:06.000 And quite frankly, some would say we're a melting pot, but at the end of the day, we have to take care of the American taxpayer first.

00:39:12.000 So look, it ends chain migration.

00:39:15.000 It ends the tidal wave, the flooding.

00:39:17.000 It ends the H-1B visa scam, and we can actually vet people.

00:39:21.000 So if you're a member of a gang, you don't get to come in.

00:39:24.000 It's quite simple, actually.

00:39:26.000 I love that.

00:39:26.000 So Heart Seller was a 60s era legislation.

00:39:30.000 Blake knows the history better than most, but it basically set up these things that we've been railing about on this show for years.

00:39:38.000 Even when Charlie was here, chain migration, Visa Lottery, all of this stuff that makes no sense for the common good of the country.

00:39:44.000 It gets rid of that.

00:39:46.000 HeartSeller also kind of was a reverse, it reverted some of the 1920s immigration law, right?

00:39:51.000 That was the quota system. 0.51

00:39:53.000 What does your bill do with that?

00:39:54.000 Yeah, so it really goes back to more, again, common sense approach where we can prioritize whether it's countries, occupations.

00:40:02.000 This is the United States of America.

00:40:04.000 We quite frankly have one of the most liberal immigration policies in the world.

00:40:10.000 All right.

00:40:11.000 Think about that for a moment.

00:40:12.000 People rail against us on our immigration policies, yet Mexico and Canada are more strict than we are.

00:40:18.000 And so this takes us back where literally to this idea of it's our borders, our borders, we get to decide.

00:40:24.000 So if we need a particular occupation, if it makes sense to have more Europeans here versus folks, quite frankly, from parts of Africa who may want to kill us, we get to make those determinations based off of data.

00:40:37.000 And at the end of the day, this has to be data driven.

00:40:40.000 And so again, by stripping away all of the politics, by stripping away all of the nonsense that, quite frankly, is corrupted, it's abused.

00:40:50.000 So like the H-1B visa scam, that's literally taking jobs away from American workers.

00:40:56.000 So you can have someone who went to college, who got a degree, expecting to have that good paying job to start a family, to buy a home.

00:41:03.000 And then what's happened is cheap labor from overseas is being imported into this country and putting Americans out of jobs.

00:41:11.000 Guess what?

00:41:11.000 It's America first for a reason.

00:41:12.000 That also means American workers first. 0.88

00:41:15.000 Amen.

00:41:15.000 Yeah, Representative.

00:41:17.000 So obviously, get rid of chain migration, get rid of the diversity visa, emphasis on skills. 0.98

00:41:23.000 What does your bill do in terms of just the sheer annual number of people coming into the United States?

00:41:29.000 Does it set a cap on it?

00:41:31.000 Does it set a floor on it?

00:41:32.000 What's the number?

00:41:34.000 So there's a couple of things without getting too much in the weeds.

00:41:37.000 There's lots of different caps in our immigration systems.

00:41:40.000 It brings almost all of those down.

00:41:43.000 It also prevents, when you look at like a lottery system or migration, it prevents any one country from being able to dominate, dominate kind of that pipeline of people coming into this country.

00:41:55.000 You mean India?

00:41:56.000 Well, quite frankly, we've seen a disproportionate number of folks from India using the H-1B visa program.

00:42:04.000 And again, we should be able to determine who uses those.

00:42:07.000 And quite frankly, so with the bill, like specific to H-1B visas, there's a 200% number in there so that if you're going to use someone by way of the H-1B visa, you're not only paying them market rate, you're paying them twice the market rate so that we know that this is a unique situation and you're not displacing an American worker because we see that over and over and over again where someone who might otherwise make a job paying $100,000,

00:42:34.000 they're bringing someone from overseas, India, wherever, and they're paying them $60,000 or $70,000.

00:42:39.000 And again, you have Americans, students, kids trying to start their lives, and they can't get a job because our immigration system has become a scam. 0.96

00:42:48.000 So in 1990 with the Immigration Act signed by George H.W. Bush, it took the annual green cards from about $500,000 a year to 1.2 million in essence.

00:43:00.000 1.2 million, which I think is absurd, by the way.

00:43:04.000 In my opinion, the country's full.

00:43:06.000 We're seeing the erasure of our country.

00:43:07.000 We're seeing the fleecing of our social welfare system.

00:43:10.000 Obviously, Minnesota was a big wake-up call.

00:43:13.000 To Blake's point, does this get us back to 500,000?

00:43:17.000 Is there no cap like that or no floor?

00:43:20.000 Let me double check.

00:43:21.000 Yes, there's a cap in there with the exact number because it is quite frankly a complex bill and it's still a work in progress.

00:43:27.000 But I'm like you, let's just close it down.

00:43:30.000 I can't get that through Congress.

00:43:32.000 So this starts, this gives us a starting place to figure out: all right, I have an idea.

00:43:38.000 My team and I, we have an idea.

00:43:39.000 We're going to put forward this framework.

00:43:41.000 Then we're going to come to you.

00:43:42.000 We're going to come to other groups that have expertise in certain areas when it comes to immigration policy.

00:43:47.000 And we're going to make this better.

00:43:48.000 We're going to make this stronger.

00:43:49.000 And we're going to make it for the American people, not for other countries that are abusing our immigration system. 0.70

00:43:54.000 Yeah, I mean, the people need to understand that what we've lived through in the United States, let's just say since 1990, is the largest move of humanity in human history.

00:44:04.000 It's the largest.

00:44:06.000 One part of that is that we have more people on planet Earth than we did during these other big migratory waves in ancient history or less ancient history.

00:44:15.000 It is the largest move of humanity into the United States. 0.88

00:44:20.000 And that's why we use words like invasion.

00:44:22.000 That's why we use words like occupation.

00:44:25.000 And so I guess the point that just to underscore here, you're repealing Heart Seller.

00:44:31.000 It's a full repeal.

00:44:33.000 And 1990 Immigration Act, you're repealing aspects of that, which are going to lower the number.

00:44:38.000 And I agree, I would go full immigration moratorium if we could. 1.00

00:44:41.000 I'd do a net zero.

00:44:42.000 I agree with you that we cannot get that through Congress right now.

00:44:45.000 That's why I'm championing anybody's voices who is willing to take a stand on that.

00:44:49.000 So thank you.

00:44:51.000 But the truth is, we're probably not going to be able to get this bill through Congress just yet either.

00:44:55.000 What needs to happen?

00:44:57.000 You know, I think we're in a unique opportunity, a unique situation.

00:45:01.000 Obviously, the Senate is a challenge, but when you look at the waste, the fraud, the abuse, the data points that we're putting out there, that when you have 50, 60% of Afghans are on social welfare, they're not coming here to work. 0.99

00:45:14.000 When you look at the Somalians, the billions of dollars that have been stolen from Americans, and the fact that, again, 70, 80% are on social welfare, people are waking up. 0.99

00:45:24.000 And so, just like the Save America Act with voting, I think the American people are going to demand that we reform our immigration system.

00:45:31.000 Rep Andy Ogles, thank you so much, sir.

00:45:33.000 And thank you for your courage on this issue.

00:45:35.000 And we need brave truth tellers like you pushing this conversation like a drumbeat.

00:45:41.000 It is existential to the country.

00:45:43.000 It simply is.

00:45:44.000 Andy Ogles is a dog with a bone on immigration.

00:45:47.000 We're going to have him back on again soon.

00:45:49.000 I'd love your thoughts on repealing Heart Seller, the 1964 legislation that completely transformed America's immigration system.

00:45:57.000 And then 1990, the Immigration Act signed by H.W. Bush with Ted Kennedy, the quote-unquote lion of the Senate, peering over his shoulder, that took our green cards up to 1.2 million.

00:46:08.000 Tell us, what do you want to see happen in our immigration system?

00:46:11.000 Do you want a moratorium?

00:46:12.000 Do you want a net zero moratorium?

00:46:14.000 Do you want to see this bill?

00:46:16.000 Do you think it's smart to get something like this passed because it's maybe more passable?

00:46:20.000 Want to hear your thoughts.

00:46:21.000 Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.

00:46:23.000 All right, I'm going to play some, since we're talking about immigration, let's play a little some clips from Charlie talking about the subject: CUT 17.

00:46:30.000 The fight, the future, the energy is going to be on who do we legally let into America. 0.91

00:46:38.000 That is the question.

00:46:40.000 Legally let into the country.

00:46:42.000 Blake, did you write that for him?

00:46:44.000 I can't even remember at this point.

00:46:46.000 But yeah, it's always been important.

00:46:48.000 Like our nation has been so insane on illegal immigration on open borders that it is easy to lose sight of the fact that even if even with a total shutdown of illegal immigration, we still have an insane immigration policy that lets in a huge number of people who are not improving America, who are not adding to the country, who are actively harming it, subtracting with it, causing problems, damaging the country's future. 0.80

00:47:14.000 And I'm very glad, you know, Representative Ogles, for those who haven't followed in the news, he had remarks the other day that, you know, anti-Islam faced backlash for it.

00:47:22.000 20 years ago, he would apologize and go into hiding.

00:47:25.000 He might resign.

00:47:26.000 Instead, he turns around and introduces a bill to repeal Hart Seller.

00:47:30.000 And as we said in the last segment, this won't pass in the immediate future.

00:47:35.000 We don't have the votes for it, but this is the process that must unfold.

00:47:39.000 We need to build a Republican Party, a conservative movement that has a coherent and sharply more restrictionist view on immigration, that wants to defend American heritage.

00:47:52.000 We didn't even get into it in the last segment, but one of the things about Hart Seller, when they passed it, Ted Kennedy and others came out and said, this will not change the demographic nature of America.

00:48:03.000 It will keep America as it is because that is what all the voters of the time wanted.

00:48:08.000 Americans literally have never voted to just transform themselves into this giant globalist project.

00:48:15.000 They have never voted to become post-national.

00:48:17.000 They have never voted to abandon their heritage.

00:48:20.000 And yet what we got is a bill that sneakily did that.

00:48:24.000 And then people come along 30 years later and say, oh, America is just an idea.

00:48:29.000 Americans have never just considered themselves an idea. 0.94

00:48:31.000 No, I totally agree.

00:48:33.000 This whole, we're a nation of immigrants.

00:48:34.000 No, we're not.

00:48:35.000 We're a nation of settlers that conquered a land and made it prosperous, made it thrive.

00:48:40.000 I know that the indigenous peoples were, there was Indigenous peoples here before, but, you know, honestly, every land has been conquered, and that is a faulty argument.

00:48:51.000 It's a straw man.

00:48:52.000 I want to read some of these emails.

00:48:54.000 Angela says, I live in South Carolina.

00:48:56.000 I really appreciate the interviews you conducted with both Senate candidates for our state.

00:49:00.000 I agreed with both Dans and Lynch on many topics.

00:49:02.000 Same.

00:49:03.000 But Mark Lynch is that new politician I believe we need in the Senate.

00:49:07.000 Dan has the political and legal experience, but we need a shake-up, something different.

00:49:11.000 Mark Lynch is not a career politician.

00:49:12.000 That's the whole point of ousting Lindsey Graham.

00:49:14.000 My vote is for Mark Lynch.

00:49:16.000 All right, fair enough.

00:49:19.000 I think that's good.

00:49:20.000 Aaron says, enough Mark Halperin on emphasizing Rand Paul's pride.

00:49:24.000 We have real threats to go after.

00:49:26.000 That was my take.

00:49:29.000 I think Lindsey Gray, or Paul, sorry, Rand Paul is putting personal animus ahead of country.

00:49:36.000 And hey, maybe he's got a point.

00:49:37.000 Maybe it is a character, a legitimate line of inquiry because it strikes at character of Mark Wayne Mullen.

00:49:44.000 But I think we're going to resonate with Mark Wayne.

00:49:47.000 We have Patty.

00:49:48.000 She says, we absolutely need a complete moratorium on any immigration unless and until we can vet the ones that are already here and revamp the system. 1.00

00:49:57.000 I think more and more people are coming around to that.

00:49:59.000 We've been the jumping ground of Earth long enough.

00:50:02.000 So riddle me this.

00:50:03.000 How do you properly vet 1.2 million people coming into your country? 0.99

00:50:07.000 If you do not have at least two to one staffing to even just look into their cases, find out about them.

00:50:14.000 I mean, in my opinion, you need half a million people to vet that properly.

00:50:17.000 I'm sorry.

00:50:18.000 You need full interviews.

00:50:20.000 You need to see what their life is like.

00:50:21.000 You need to interview family, friends, their employer.

00:50:25.000 Like, you can't properly vet 1.2 million legal immigrants, let alone the illegal situation, the visa overstays.

00:50:31.000 It's impossible.

00:50:32.000 And that's part of it.

00:50:33.000 The sad thing is, is like there are some people where it would be trivial to vet that they're fine.

00:50:39.000 And like, those are the ones we actually throw up every obstacle in the world to letting in.

00:50:45.000 Like, anyone knows that the hardest, the people who have the hardest time coming to the U.S. are the ones we would most obviously want here.

00:50:51.000 Like, someone who has world-class skills in some particular field.

00:50:55.000 They're the ones who have to jump through every single hoop with their employer, fill all this paperwork out, make sure they don't get whacked by the government.

00:51:02.000 And then the ones who've come in with zero effort for decades on end are the people who have so little to add that, you know, they have very little history.

00:51:10.000 They just walk over the border.

00:51:12.000 They're working here illegally. 0.71

00:51:13.000 They're coming here.

00:51:14.000 They're the people who come in as guest workers and then just skip town when they would, they're supposed to come, you know, go back. 0.96

00:51:20.000 They're people who come as students and they just overstay the visa and they count on the system never catching them. 0.99

00:51:26.000 And that's the system we've gotten used to.

00:51:28.000 There's so many people actively breaking our rules all the time that if we just bothered enforcing them at all, a huge number of problems would go away.

00:51:36.000 It's a lot like crime.

00:51:38.000 We see all this urban decay that happens because we just do not do the basics.

00:51:42.000 You make a huge amount of crime go away when you say you can't jump subway turnstiles.

00:51:46.000 When, oh, if you do graffiti, we're going to put you in jail.

00:51:49.000 If you do, you know, some basic illegal gun possession charge because you're a felon.

00:51:53.000 When you enforce all those things, all the problems go down.

00:51:56.000 And it's the same thing with immigration.

00:51:58.000 If you're getting the people who just super obviously shouldn't be here because they don't have a work permit, because they don't have, because they, you know, they skipped a court hearing and you just grabbed them and kicked them out right away and you were super efficient about it, so many of our problems would go away.

00:52:14.000 I totally agree.

00:52:15.000 Well said.

00:52:15.000 Kimberly says, I said this a couple months ago and don't recall a reply.

00:52:19.000 Is there a way to listen to archive podcasts?

00:52:22.000 We are working on that right now.

00:52:24.000 We've been working on it for a while, actually.

00:52:26.000 So the podcast feed, this has been a discussion on social media, only puts 100 of the past episodes out.

00:52:34.000 And so once we got far enough along, obviously Charlie's own podcast got sort of timed out and they fell off the feed.

00:52:42.000 It's a data thing.

00:52:43.000 We're working on it right now, coming up with a solution.

00:52:46.000 So you can expect this week for Charlie's episodes to go back all the way back.

00:52:53.000 The easiest thing about that.

00:52:54.000 Any live stream he ever did is on Rumble.

00:52:56.000 So that's one of the easiest ways to find out.

00:52:57.000 And it's already there.

00:52:58.000 Yeah, we didn't delete anything.

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00:54:00.000 All right, so we have so much to get here.

00:54:02.000 Welcoming to the show is James O'Keefe.

00:54:05.000 Charlie loved James.

00:54:07.000 So it's great to have you back on again, sir.

00:54:09.000 Good to see you.

00:54:10.000 Great to be with you and on this breaking story in California.

00:54:14.000 So I'm going to play a little bit longer clip because there's a lot of info here and that'll set the table for us here, James.

00:54:14.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:54:21.000 Sot 25.

00:54:32.000 The petitioner, Brenda Brown, hands cash money to the homeless person, not only for signing the California ballot initiative, but also as payment for them to register to vote.

00:54:43.000 Now, because you haven't registered, I need to register you so I can get paid too.

00:54:50.000 That is a federal felony.

00:54:52.000 And it didn't just happen once.

00:54:54.000 It happened over and over and over again.

00:54:58.000 We personally witnessed and covertly filmed this happening at least 28 times over the span of our investigation.

00:55:05.000 And that is just in Los Angeles.

00:55:07.000 Many of the homeless have zero understanding of what it is that they're actually signing.

00:55:12.000 But what is our petition for?

00:55:14.000 He knows they're petitioning for petitioners.

00:55:18.000 James, even the homeless people are like, have enough sense to say, what am I signing here? 1.00

00:55:18.000 That's amazing. 1.00

00:55:24.000 Tell us, what are we watching in that?

00:55:26.000 And I mean, obviously, I find it to be explosive, but explain it to our audience here.

00:55:31.000 It's a federal felony for someone to pay someone to register to vote.

00:55:35.000 That's a federal felony.

00:55:36.000 The United States Attorney in California has already responded.

00:55:40.000 They're also paying cash. to get them to sign a signature on a California petition.

00:55:46.000 That's a misdemeanor.

00:55:47.000 That's also a crime.

00:55:48.000 Could be a felony in California.

00:55:50.000 So you're watching groups, petitioners, NGOs encouraging people in Los Angeles to sign California ballot petitions to forge signatures and giving cash to get homeless to register to vote.

00:56:05.000 All criminal activity.

00:56:06.000 We received a statement from Governor Gavin Newsom.

00:56:09.000 He said this is illegal.

00:56:10.000 People should be prosecuted.

00:56:11.000 We received a statement from the Secretary of State's office in California, the LADA, and the United States Attorney.

00:56:17.000 And they are taking action on this.

00:56:20.000 So I've been credibly told, James, that there is no election fraud, that everything's on the up and up.

00:56:26.000 We obviously know that there's much more to this story than the Democrats especially want to admit.

00:56:33.000 This instance, you caught them dead to rights.

00:56:36.000 The significance cannot be, I think, overstated here of that the Secretary of State from California has responded.

00:56:43.000 You have forced a response from Gavin Newsom saying these people should be arrested.

00:56:48.000 Yes.

00:56:49.000 Who are these people?

00:56:51.000 Who's behind this?

00:56:52.000 And how widespread do we have?

00:56:54.000 Do we have any idea how widespread this is?

00:56:57.000 Well, it's very widespread.

00:56:58.000 It's been happening thousands and thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands of times.

00:57:02.000 We captured it over 30 times just in this video.

00:57:06.000 When I say capture it, I mean you can actually see the cash money being exchanged to the homeless people in exchange for their signature.

00:57:15.000 You can actually see that on the videotape.

00:57:18.000 That's what makes this so unique, Andrew.

00:57:20.000 This is not circumstantial evidence.

00:57:23.000 It's not we've heard about voter fraud or election fraud.

00:57:26.000 You actually see the crime on video, which makes all the difference in the world.

00:57:30.000 Who's doing it?

00:57:31.000 They're people who are gathering signatures for a ballot referendum in California.

00:57:31.000 They're petitioners.

00:57:37.000 Who's behind them?

00:57:38.000 Well, that's an interesting question.

00:57:39.000 The NGOs of California, the homeless industrial complex, Weingard Center is across the street, receives $800 million of government money, $112 million a year from the state on their tax return, is encouraging these people to go do this.

00:57:55.000 So it's a trillion-dollar industry, all government-funded, and it's a conspiracy, multiple federal felonies.

00:58:03.000 People want arrests.

00:58:04.000 They want accountability.

00:58:05.000 I actually think this story will lead to arrests.

00:58:07.000 And it's not just me.

00:58:09.000 We have a number of other citizen journalists involved in this.

00:58:11.000 We're calling it the Justice League.

00:58:13.000 Today, Kim Higby just put out a report, caught the same thing on video.

00:58:17.000 Tomorrow, there's going to be another citizen journalist.

00:58:19.000 They're going to release a video every day, each day, until someone is arrested.

00:58:23.000 And you can see behind me in my office here a picture of me and Charlie Kirk, which I hung on the wall.

00:58:29.000 Charlie said, James, just do a few four or five big stories a year.

00:58:35.000 And this is one of them.

00:58:37.000 I'm very confident this will lead to arrests.

00:58:39.000 I love that.

00:58:40.000 Yeah, because that's an interesting.

00:58:42.000 Charlie had a good observation there because your output is incredible, James.

00:58:47.000 I mean, you are a workhorse.

00:58:48.000 You have been for years now, dating back well over a decade.

00:58:53.000 And Charlie had great respect for your tirelessness, your doggedness in the pursuit of truth and to expose corruption.

00:59:03.000 And I kind of love that pivot.

00:59:06.000 If you took four to five huge stories a year like this, I think maybe the impact you could argue could even be bigger, right?

00:59:14.000 And so I think that's a really fascinating way to look at it.

00:59:16.000 Charlie was always very smart about these things.

00:59:18.000 And so have you made that pivot kind of officially, James?

00:59:22.000 Well, we release a story every week.

00:59:24.000 Every week we release a Tuesday at 1 p.m.

00:59:28.000 We're doing a new story.

00:59:29.000 What makes this different is we're calling it part of the Justice League.

00:59:33.000 We're actually a collective of citizen journalists all working on the same topic at the same time.

00:59:41.000 So I think it's very important for people to be united.

00:59:44.000 I don't think that the conservatives are united, and I think you would agree with that right now.

00:59:50.000 But we're citizen journalists.

00:59:52.000 I'm an independent journalist.

00:59:54.000 And I think what makes this story different is that we're all focused on the same topic at the same time.

01:00:00.000 So over the next two weeks, we're going to be focused on this topic and this topic alone.

01:00:04.000 I love that.

01:00:05.000 And I see us doing that about four or five times a year.

01:00:09.000 People in the American right are very competitive with each other.

01:00:15.000 They're very independent.

01:00:16.000 They're in the media.

01:00:19.000 They're competing against each other.

01:00:20.000 And I think that that's the thing that needs to change.

01:00:24.000 We need to work together on the same thing so we can apply pressure on the same exact thing at the same time to get the consequences that people want.

01:00:35.000 What people want is accountability.

01:00:38.000 What people want are arrests.

01:00:39.000 They want public accountability.

01:00:41.000 They want jail.

01:00:42.000 They want indictments.

01:00:43.000 Otherwise, nothing's going to change.

01:00:45.000 I think that things will change.

01:00:47.000 This story is already getting.

01:00:49.000 Gavin Newsom is not attacking me.

01:00:52.000 It's interestingly enough, he attacked Nick Shirley yesterday.

01:00:55.000 That went viral.

01:00:57.000 He's not attacking us for this story.

01:01:01.000 He's saying that there's going to be an arrest.

01:01:03.000 I've heard back from the LADA's office, that's the Los Angeles District Attorney.

01:01:07.000 They're saying that they're looking into it, and they did indict people five years ago for similar activity.

01:01:14.000 What makes this story so crazy is they're paying people to register to vote.

01:01:18.000 They're paying them cash, which is a federal felony.

01:01:21.000 I talked to Bill Asalia, the United States Attorney in California, and he's on it.

01:01:25.000 And I think that you'll see arrests here soon.

01:01:27.000 I love that.

01:01:28.000 And by the way, I want to underscore your point that getting rid of this competition, Cam Higby's great, Nick Shirley's great, Savannah Hernandez is great.

01:01:36.000 I know that you guys are all in communication and coordinating and working on stories together now, and it's amazing.

01:01:43.000 I think it's a huge development.

01:01:45.000 I love to see you leading that charge, James.

01:01:48.000 I think you're one of the few voices that can lead that charge to bring all the different voices together.

01:01:52.000 I want to play one other clip here.

01:01:54.000 You mentioned arrests.

01:01:56.000 This part shocked me when I watched it.

01:01:58.000 Cut 28.

01:01:59.000 The law enforcement officers sitting nearby on Skid Row every single day don't know the California laws and plead ignorance.

01:02:08.000 It begs the question, what are they even doing?

01:02:11.000 Officer Maravello of the LAPD dismissed it as a, quote, civil lawsuit.

01:02:17.000 Do you know a lot of these people here that are making homeless sign petitions and paying cash for it?

01:02:24.000 I haven't seen them.

01:02:25.000 I mean, I've seen one.

01:02:26.000 They signed some type of paperwork, but I didn't know what they were doing.

01:02:29.000 And I saw them at that, right here at the light over here in the back.

01:02:32.000 Yeah.

01:02:32.000 But I don't know what it was for.

01:02:34.000 Like, maybe like two weeks ago, I saw them signing for something, but I don't know if they were getting money in a change or anything.

01:02:39.000 Yeah, I think they're getting like two, three dollars for what I observed.

01:02:43.000 Is that legal?

01:02:45.000 I mean, if it's non-profit, I mean, they're signing it.

01:02:48.000 It's a consensual.

01:02:49.000 It's more of a civil thing.

01:02:52.000 I don't know what the police officers are actually doing there.

01:02:56.000 It's infuriating.

01:02:58.000 I mean, it's so crazy and surreal.

01:03:01.000 I mean, there's another video clip in this 40-minute long video where the NGOs actually pretend to be the police in order to intimidate me.

01:03:10.000 I mean, we're not living in America.

01:03:14.000 I don't know what this even is at this point, but I know what your audience wants.

01:03:18.000 You want arrests and accounts, not exposure, you want arrests.

01:03:22.000 So in order to achieve that objective, you have to have exposure.

01:03:25.000 There is no arrests without exposure.

01:03:27.000 Correct.

01:03:28.000 And you have to have exposure compounded over and over and over again.

01:03:34.000 Specifically, people say there is no voter fraud.

01:03:37.000 This is cash money on tape given to the homeless person from someone taking advantage of them, telling them who to vote for.

01:03:47.000 And that's a felony.

01:03:49.000 And this is a developing and breaking story.

01:03:51.000 And you're going to see arrests in the next few days.

01:03:53.000 Amen.

01:03:54.000 Well done, James O'Keefe.

01:03:56.000 How do people get involved with what you're doing?

01:03:58.000 Where do they find you?

01:04:00.000 Give us your coordinates.

01:04:01.000 Well, I'm involved in a lot of things.

01:04:05.000 My organization is called Citizen Journalism Foundation.

01:04:08.000 We're now tax deductible.

01:04:10.000 OMG, we're OMGO'KeefMediaGroup.com.

01:04:14.000 And this new initiative is called the Justice League.

01:04:16.000 You're going to see, I know Savannah works with you guys at Turning Point.

01:04:20.000 You're going to see Anthony Rubin, Cam Higbee.

01:04:24.000 You're going to see a number of other citizen journalists coming out in the next few days with similar reports.

01:04:29.000 I love it.

01:04:31.000 Well done, James.

01:04:32.000 Great to have you back on.

01:04:34.000 We'll touch base again soon as the arrests come down the pike. 1.00

01:04:37.000 I'm excited to hear about that and tell our audience about it.

01:04:40.000 Great job.

01:04:41.000 Thank you.

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01:05:54.000 Lots of news today.

01:05:56.000 We got through a lot.

01:05:57.000 We got through the DNI testimony, Tulsi Gabbard.

01:06:01.000 We also got through Mark Wayne Mullen, James O'Keefe's bombshell reporting, and the potential repeal of Hart Seller.

01:06:08.000 Let's call that a long shot victory.

01:06:10.000 A long-term project, not a long shot, a long-term project.

01:06:14.000 Yeah, I actually really agree that we'll see in the future.

01:06:16.000 I actually really agree with that.

01:06:20.000 I believe that the people are with us.

01:06:22.000 I believe we have popular support, but it yet remains so controversial within Washington, D.C. because money to interest, we've got the hospitality industry.

01:06:33.000 We've got the farm agricultural industry.

01:06:36.000 But we are, you know, we had an AI expert, his new book, Code Red, yesterday, and we are staring at a future where so many jobs are going to be wiped off the table.

01:06:50.000 I believe it's going to become absolutely a national security, maybe even a national security threat, but definitely a domestic, huge, preeminent issue if we have too many people and not enough jobs.

01:07:05.000 There is a massive case to be made that AI is going to wipe the table of so many jobs that we think we need all this labor for.

01:07:13.000 And what are we going to do with the people that we brought in?

01:07:16.000 So that's a huge, huge concern that I'm looking at.

01:07:19.000 If you have seen videos, Blake, maybe you've seen them, these robots that come and pick fruit and pick vegetables faster than migrant laborers can do it when you have hundreds of them out in a field. 1.00

01:07:30.000 This is going to happen.

01:07:33.000 Maybe industries like, you know, hospitality, you need somebody to actually come and change the sheets or serve the drinks and the food.

01:07:42.000 Maybe, you know, maybe Optimus, I believe that was what it was named by Elon Musk, the robots are going to be able to do some of this work for us in the near future.

01:07:51.000 But we really, genuinely need to get serious about our immigration reform.

01:07:55.000 And I am not going to stop banging the drum.

01:07:58.000 We're going to have Andy Ogles back on again and again and again as this goes through committee, as it gets worked up, as the bill gets refined.

01:08:05.000 This is existential to the future of the country.

01:08:08.000 And candidly, it's one of those domestic issues that we need to focus on more, Blake.

01:08:13.000 I feel that, you know, there's a, I think Rich Barris has laid this out pretty clearly, that there is this penchant to look internationally, to look at foreign wars or foreign entanglements.

01:08:29.000 And we need to focus on domestic issues.

01:08:31.000 I think immigration is the one, two, and three most important domestic issue that we can tackle.

01:08:37.000 Do you agree?

01:08:38.000 No, I think 100%, really.

01:08:42.000 I think the war, like if this war goes badly, nations recover from wars.

01:08:46.000 Nations recover from catastrophic wars.

01:08:49.000 Japan had two A-bombs dropped on them.

01:08:51.000 Millions of them died in World War II.

01:08:53.000 It doesn't destroy the nation of Japan.

01:08:55.000 They come back from that.

01:08:55.000 They become one of the world's richest countries.

01:08:58.000 Nations can recover from economic crashes.

01:09:00.000 We recovered from the Great Depression.

01:09:02.000 Lots of countries have recovered from that sort of thing.

01:09:04.000 What nations don't recover from is no longer being the nation that they are.

01:09:09.000 And so if Britain is no longer a place of British people, if it's no longer the English and the Scots and the Welsh, it's a bunch of Pakistanis and Algerians and anyone else who's moved there. 0.99

01:09:22.000 It's not Britain anymore.

01:09:23.000 Like nations that cease to exist are no longer those nations.

01:09:26.000 And history is littered with countries that stopped to exist because, you know, you could say they lost control of their borders.

01:09:36.000 But what really happened is you get conquered.

01:09:38.000 What is conquest?

01:09:38.000 It's having other people move in and take all of your stuff and take over your things.

01:09:42.000 And it's no different if you voted to do that or if your leaders chose to do that because it would stimulate the economy.

01:09:49.000 Got an email here from John saying, John Solomon report on China.

01:09:53.000 Yes, I brought that up earlier.

01:09:55.000 That's the reason I felt like Tulsi missed an opportunity.

01:09:59.000 John's reporting confirms this.

01:10:02.000 Maybe we'll have him on the show tomorrow to walk us through it all.

01:10:05.000 But they have had this intel for a while.

01:10:08.000 So Tulsi Gabbard's involvement in our election fraud cases, investigations that are going on in Fulton County and Maricopa County makes all the sense in the world when you realize that foreign countries are in fact trying to attack the integrity of our election system. 0.95

01:10:24.000 So I'm all for it.

01:10:25.000 I just wanted, I wanted Tulsi to articulate that point.

01:10:28.000 For some reason, she didn't.

01:10:30.000 I'm going to trust her judgment on that.

01:10:32.000 Maybe there's reasons that I'm unaware of.

01:10:35.000 But it is what it is.

01:10:36.000 So yeah, John, we are aware of John Solomon's reporting on that.

01:10:40.000 Absolutely.

01:10:42.000 Marlene says, hey, guys, I was given to understand that we're forever stuck with Lindsey Graham because South Carolina has open primaries and Dems will make sure he stays on the ballot.

01:10:52.000 Is this still the case?

01:10:53.000 Because we all know Lindsey's vote goes to his highest bidder. 0.83

01:10:57.000 Great job you're all doing for Charlie.

01:10:59.000 Thank you.

01:11:00.000 Thank you, Marlene.

01:11:01.000 She's out of Florida.

01:11:03.000 Blake, do you have the details on that?

01:11:04.000 I believe it is an open primary, but I do think that the odds are very high that we're going to get this to a runoff.

01:11:11.000 So, yeah, I mean, I would presume Democrats would probably prefer to have Lindsey Graham in just because he's bad for the brand. 1.00

01:11:17.000 So, my understanding is it's, I don't think it's, I mean, I think you need a majority, so it will go to a runoff, which is the primary itself, I think, is June 9th.

01:11:27.000 I think a runoff is two or three weeks later than that if there's no 50% winner.

01:11:32.000 I think that's kind of nice because it seems that people do have strong preferences between either Lynch or Dan's in that primary.

01:11:40.000 And, well, it doesn't hurt as long as you're not voting for Lindsay.

01:11:45.000 The main thing is just making sure, because I know this is so tempting on the right, is you have to make sure we don't decide, like, don't get embittered.

01:11:54.000 Don't decide you're mad at Dan's because Lynch said, you know, he's from a different state, or you're super mad at Lynch because actually, Dan's was very kind to Lynch, so I don't know what the attacks on him would be, but make sure there's no bad blood out of this race because I think we're going to agree.

01:12:09.000 We want them to come together to get the win here after that goes to a runoff. 0.99

01:12:16.000 I totally agree.

01:12:16.000 Got to unite the clans when this is when they're ready to do so.

01:12:20.000 Paul says, guys, no one has said that we can put a total stop to alien truckers endangering U.S. roads.

01:12:27.000 The subject line says truckers cannot read English, etc.

01:12:31.000 We agree what they're doing right now at the Department of Transportation is using existing statutes or adjusting them.

01:12:38.000 It's sort of using a technicality, but it's within the statute.

01:12:43.000 So, these are levers they can pull now.

01:12:47.000 So, Paul goes on to say this is simple.

01:12:50.000 Ice can be at all the stations.

01:12:51.000 I actually think that that's not a bad idea.

01:12:53.000 These way stations, these checkpoints, put ice there.

01:12:56.000 Check their credentials.

01:12:57.000 See if they shouldn't be on the roads.

01:12:59.000 I believe that's a great idea.

01:13:01.000 He says, Also, the state police use portable weighers.

01:13:05.000 They stop trucks wherever.

01:13:07.000 No problemo.

01:13:08.000 Paul, these are great ideas.

01:13:09.000 I'm actually going to clip this and send it over to the Department of Transportation.

01:13:14.000 Great ideas.

01:13:14.000 I've heard the priority talking about it.

01:13:16.000 Maybe I'll send it to Mark Wayne Mullen, too, when he does get confirmed.

01:13:20.000 I think the fireworks that we saw with Rand Paul, between Rand Paul and Mark Wayne Mullen, I don't think it's going to be consequential.

01:13:27.000 I think Fetterman's going to vote for him at committee level as well.

01:13:30.000 So I think Mark Wayne Mullen's going to get confirmed.

01:13:34.000 The one question that I have for Mark Wayne, he's a friend, is: are you going to be rock-ribbed?

01:13:41.000 Are we going to stick with all of the above need to be removed?

01:13:44.000 I'm down with the change in branding.

01:13:46.000 I'm down with a change in tone if that gets blue states and sanctuary states to heal.

01:13:51.000 But we got to be very clear that the policies are not changing.

01:13:54.000 Mass deportations are mandatory.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - March 18, 2026

Real Immigration Reform + Markwayne Mullin vs. Rand Paul

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