The Charlie Kirk Show - Recounting the Long March Toward the End of Roe with Students For Life National President Kristan Hawkins

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00:02:01.000 Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:02:04.000 With us today is Kristen Hawkins from Students for Life does phenomenal work fighting for pre-born human beings and children.

00:02:14.000 Kristen, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:02:15.000 Thanks for having me.

00:02:16.000 And so we are both very pro-life.

00:02:18.000 You have an organization dedicated just to that.

00:02:20.000 Tell us about it.

00:02:21.000 Yeah, we started Students for Life about 15 years ago.

00:02:24.000 We go to high school, college, mid-law school campuses, similar to Turning Point, and start pro-life groups in those campuses to change minds of those most directly targeted by the abortion industry and to help moms on the campus know that she doesn't have to choose between the life of her child and her education.

00:02:40.000 So why are you pro-life?

00:02:42.000 Because every single abortion ends the beating heart of a unique whole human being that never existed before and will never exist again.

00:02:49.000 And that is an act of violence and an act of discrimination.

00:02:53.000 Wow.

00:02:54.000 That's a really good summary.

00:02:56.000 It's almost like I knew this.

00:02:57.000 Yeah, it's almost like your living is to defend pre-born human beings.

00:03:01.000 That's right.

00:03:02.000 So I want to get into all the specifics and all of that, but let me ask you a question that someone might not have asked you.

00:03:08.000 Are we winning or losing this title right now?

00:03:10.000 I actually think by the extremism that you're seeing from Nancy Pelosi and the Biden administration in Washington, D.C., it's actually a pretty good sign that we're winning the culture war here.

00:03:21.000 That despite almost 50 years of legal abortion, of them throwing everything they can throw at this, every term that they try to use to, you know, never want to talk about what's inside of a mother, that they're still losing this battle.

00:03:35.000 That this generation, when you poll this question, when you actually ask an honest poll question, you will see that the majority of people, regardless of how they view politics or what they call themselves or what isms or labels they give themselves, they're against abortion.

00:03:50.000 That fundamentally we haven't lost our humanity and recognizing the humanity of the pre-born child.

00:03:55.000 And I think you can see by the extremism and how insane they are.

00:03:58.000 I mean, they want to pack the Supreme Court because of one issue.

00:04:01.000 That's exactly right.

00:04:02.000 That's the issue of abortion. 1.00

00:04:03.000 I totally agree.

00:04:04.000 So I had a dinner recently with some friends, and they called themselves pro-choice.

00:04:10.000 It was interesting, though, because they all said they knew abortion was wrong, but they didn't want to outlaw it.

00:04:17.000 Yeah.

00:04:18.000 So I don't actually think, well, I shouldn't say that.

00:04:21.000 There are people that don't think abortion is wrong. 0.99

00:04:23.000 We know that.

00:04:23.000 I think that number's decreasing.

00:04:25.000 But what's the argument that you make that that which is wrong, termination of a life, should also be illegal?

00:04:31.000 Because that's the kind of the escape hatch, isn't it?

00:04:33.000 Like, oh, I don't like abortion, but I'm not going to tell you what to do with your life.

00:04:36.000 And that's really the safe pansy answer to say, well, I don't personally like abortion, but I'm not going to tell you what to do. 0.94

00:04:45.000 And that's, well, then you must not actually believe what happens inside of an abortion facility every single day is violence.

00:04:51.000 Because if you saw the broken bodies of 2,700 human beings every night in the nightly news piled up outside of abortion facilities, you would say, my God, we have to end this.

00:05:02.000 We have to do something here.

00:05:04.000 But because it happens behind the closed doors, we could kind of say, well, that's a theoretical question.

00:05:08.000 That's a philosophical question.

00:05:10.000 And we don't see the reality of what's happening.

00:05:14.000 But what happens every single day is an act of violence.

00:05:17.000 And you have to make abortion illegal and unthinkable.

00:05:21.000 Our goal in the pro-life movement is a two-fold goal because you can't just change hearts because you're right.

00:05:26.000 Some people will still have abortions. 0.91

00:05:28.000 And you can directly look at 1973, when Roe and Doe were handed down, the rates of abortion skyrocketed.

00:05:35.000 Making abortion legal made a lot of people think that it was morally okay because some people, they shouldn't do this.

00:05:42.000 You know, they get their morals from laws. 0.94

00:05:45.000 And you really shouldn't do that if you look through the history of our country because we've messed up sometimes.

00:05:50.000 But you have to make it illegal as well as unthinkable.

00:05:55.000 And laws should reflect natural law.

00:05:58.000 Absolutely.

00:05:59.000 You should be unafraid to say that.

00:06:00.000 Absolutely.

00:06:01.000 And it should also, every law is moral.

00:06:04.000 And anyone who convinces you otherwise is wrong.

00:06:08.000 Let me rephrase that.

00:06:09.000 Every law should be rooted in somebody's morality.

00:06:12.000 Let me say it that way.

00:06:13.000 Meaning, and it should be moral, especially very basic laws, murder, life, imprisonment of another person.

00:06:19.000 So I like your framing.

00:06:21.000 It's an act of violence.

00:06:23.000 Why is that the case?

00:06:25.000 Why is abortion an act of violence?

00:06:27.000 Yeah, I agree with you.

00:06:28.000 I'm just talking about card listening.

00:06:29.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:06:30.000 Abortion is an act of violence because if you think about what happens in an abortion operating room, right?

00:06:35.000 An abortionist walks in and there are two beating hearts.

00:06:39.000 An abortionist will only know success in his or her job if one of those beating hearts stops. 0.99

00:06:46.000 If there are two beating hearts when that abortionist walks out of the room, they have failed in their job.

00:06:51.000 So their mission statement is to lessen the amount of beating hearts.

00:06:55.000 That's exactly right.

00:06:56.000 That is violence.

00:06:57.000 That is a human being that was alive, whole, unique, had a beating heart that wasn't doing anything to anybody else that you've terminated, that you've snuffed out.

00:07:09.000 So let's go through the timeline.

00:07:10.000 I don't actually know these numbers remotely as well as you do.

00:07:13.000 I know them roughly.

00:07:14.000 When does the heartbeat begin?

00:07:15.000 About 21 days after conception, before most women even know that they are pregnant.

00:07:20.000 So that number is contested by some abortionists, but you're saying that it's just a total.

00:07:26.000 Some people say six weeks.

00:07:28.000 Yeah, it's semantics.

00:07:29.000 Can you explain why there's even a disagreement?

00:07:32.000 There's always disagreement.

00:07:33.000 And now even now they'll say, oh, it's not a heartbeat.

00:07:36.000 It's fetocardiac pole activity.

00:07:38.000 Walk us through that.

00:07:40.000 The reason is, is in order to justify the quote-unquote right to abortion, we have to dehumanize what is inside of a pre-born, inside of a woman. 0.87

00:07:49.000 We'll say not a child.

00:07:50.000 It's not a baby.

00:07:52.000 It's a fetus.

00:07:52.000 It's a zygote.

00:07:54.000 As if those are alien creatures.

00:07:56.000 I'm like, no, you once were a fetus.

00:07:58.000 You once were a zygote, just like how you may now be an adolescent, right?

00:08:02.000 Or your child is a toddler.

00:08:03.000 It's a stage of your life.

00:08:05.000 You didn't come from it.

00:08:06.000 You once were.

00:08:08.000 But we use those terms and the abortion industry has been using those terms now for almost five decades to try to, you know, really kind of conflate that.

00:08:17.000 They actually know heartbeat is actually significant.

00:08:19.000 We've been polling it with 18 to 34-year-olds.

00:08:22.000 And when you even ask, you know, this what's quote unquote the most liberal voting block, a lot of people would say in the American electorate, when you poll, even you ask young women about the heartbeat and if abortion should be legal then, they'll all say, no, like, oh, abortion ends a beating heart.

00:08:40.000 Now, the challenge is you have to educate and say, well, did you know that every single abortion ends a beating heart?

00:08:46.000 And then it starts to, you know, cause them to question their previous statement because that might mean if they say they're against abortion, they might have to start changing some of their behavior and no one really wants to do that.

00:08:57.000 So 21 days a heartbeat begins.

00:08:58.000 The abortionists will say that's not the case because it's not a like it is. 0.81

00:09:03.000 They'll say, oh, it's not.

00:09:04.000 The heart isn't, the heart is completely formed around six weeks.

00:09:07.000 So they'll say, well, it's not until the heart is completely formed.

00:09:11.000 Okay, so that's helpful.

00:09:13.000 I don't believe that, obviously, but I was confronted by this by an abortionist.

00:09:16.000 They're like, you don't know what you're talking about.

00:09:18.000 It's six weeks.

00:09:20.000 I'm not one to retreat, but I was like, I'm going to kind of dive deeper into this.

00:09:26.000 And I looked online and some sites will say, medical sites, it's six weeks.

00:09:30.000 Other ones say 21 days, but it's 21 days.

00:09:33.000 It starts beating in 21 days.

00:09:35.000 It's fully formed at six.

00:09:36.000 Got it.

00:09:37.000 And so a heartbeat is definitely an indication of life, but let's go a step before that, which is really what we believe, which is when DNA is created.

00:09:47.000 Yes.

00:09:47.000 The point of conception.

00:09:48.000 Why is that when life begins?

00:09:51.000 Because there's never a moment before or after that a unique whole living human being has come into existence.

00:09:57.000 There's like everything after, when egg and sperm unite is just development, is natural development.

00:10:04.000 And it actually becomes a slippery slope, Charlie, because if you say, well, and often I'll hear this on campus, somebody will say, well, I don't think life begins until 21 weeks.

00:10:13.000 And somebody else will say, I think life begins at 18 weeks.

00:10:15.000 I'm like, well, who's to say?

00:10:17.000 It's honestly arbitrary, isn't it?

00:10:18.000 Yes, it's absolutely arbitrary.

00:10:20.000 And we know, once again, looking at human history, that becomes a very slippery slope when you start theming when other people's lives or their worth or value begins.

00:10:29.000 So we have an objective belief in our country of when life ends, but not when life begins.

00:10:35.000 That's right.

00:10:36.000 And the significance of that is a million abortions a year.

00:10:39.000 How many since Roe versus Wade?

00:10:41.000 It's over 60 million abortions. 0.75

00:10:43.000 60 million abortions.

00:10:43.000 And we actually do not know perfect numbers, Charlie, because we do not have a national abortion reporting requirement.

00:10:48.000 The abortion industry gets to voluntarily give their numbers to the Alan Gutmacher Institute, who's named after Eugenesis, the second president of Planned Parenthood.

00:10:56.000 And that's the best numbers we can get as from the pro-abortion industry.

00:10:59.000 What's amazing about the Guttmacher Institute, when you go to their website, they admit that 98% plus of all abortions are for no reason.

00:11:09.000 Yeah.

00:11:09.000 Now, I actually, and like you, I think the only reason should be life of the mother.

00:11:13.000 And we could talk about how rare that actually is because people think it's more frequent than it is.

00:11:16.000 And I've come under a lot of heat for that position, but that's my position.

00:11:21.000 And so, but 98.6% from the Guttmacher's own data.

00:11:25.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:11:26.000 Which I don't even believe, it's probably higher than that, is I want it because it's my right.

00:11:30.000 Or my boyfriend's pressuring me or whatever.

00:11:33.000 Because some states don't even require a reason.

00:11:35.000 It's no fault of Bulletin.

00:11:36.000 Roe versus Wade and Doe versus Bolton said that women would say anything.

00:11:40.000 What is Doe versus Bolton?

00:11:42.000 So when Roe was handed down January 22nd, 1973, a lot of people do not know this, but Roe only legalized abortion the first trimester.

00:11:49.000 The court made up this trimester system the first three months.

00:11:52.000 And the same day they handed down a second decision, Doe v. Bolton.

00:11:56.000 Doe v. Bolton allows abortion in all nine months of pregnancy for whatever reason, using a loose definition of a woman's health.

00:12:04.000 So you can go in and say, I have mental anguish that's hurting my health.

00:12:09.000 Therefore, abortion can happen up to the moment of birth.

00:12:12.000 So people actually do not, like, I'll be on NPR and people will argue with me that abortions do not happen in ninth month.

00:12:18.000 And you can go to Albuquerque, New Mexico, the late-term abortion capital of the world, and women fly, you fly across the globe to abort their children at 37 weeks.

00:12:26.000 So Steve Smotherman's a good friend of mine.

00:12:28.000 He runs a huge church there and he's been fighting against it.

00:12:30.000 He's a great guy, Legacy Church.

00:12:32.000 I just spoke there.

00:12:33.000 So you're right.

00:12:34.000 They're doing everything they can.

00:12:35.000 And you actually feel the spiritual pressure when you land in Albuquerque.

00:12:38.000 Albuquerque is spiritually dark.

00:12:40.000 It's very dark because of that.

00:12:42.000 I actually think that's connected.

00:12:43.000 People think I'm nuts when I say that, but whatever.

00:12:46.000 So I'm a little confused because I didn't know this.

00:12:49.000 Confusion is not the right word.

00:12:51.000 So there was a Roe versus Wade decision, and you said the day after there was another day?

00:12:54.000 The same day.

00:12:55.000 Wait, were they two different complaints happening?

00:12:57.000 Yes, there were two different women, one from Tennessee, one from Texas. 1.00

00:13:02.000 And they put them together.

00:13:03.000 So they're called companion cases.

00:13:05.000 So they were handed down the exact same day, the exact same time.

00:13:08.000 So often when you hear polling, people will say, Do you support Roe versus Wade?

00:13:12.000 Roe versus Wade allowed abortion in the first three months.

00:13:14.000 People say, oh, yeah.

00:13:16.000 But no one knows that Doe v. Bolton, the same day, allows abortion all nine months.

00:13:21.000 And so that is really at the heart of this issue is Doe versus Bolton is the no restrictions at all.

00:13:30.000 Correct.

00:13:31.000 Actually, what happened in Ohio this week was significant because the Sixth Circuit of Appeals just upheld Ohio law that bans abortions.

00:13:39.000 If a woman goes into the abortion facility and says, I want to have an abortion because my child was diagnosed with Down syndrome. 0.99

00:13:45.000 So Down syndrome children, 80 to 90% who are diagnosed in utero are killed via abortion.

00:13:50.000 My children have cystic fibrosis.

00:13:52.000 90% of my children are killed in utero if they're diagnosed with CF.

00:13:56.000 Ohio actually banned abortion, not because of any other reason for women's health, but just said because of the genetic code of the child.

00:14:04.000 Planned Parenthood, the abortion lobby immediately sued, stopped us all.

00:14:07.000 Just this week, the Sixth Circuit of Appeals said, this is eugenics and you should not be allowed.

00:14:13.000 This is actually a significant challenge to Roe.

00:14:15.000 Was it a Trump judge or was it?

00:14:17.000 I don't know.

00:14:18.000 They were, I think, George W. Bush judges, of course.

00:14:20.000 I mean, but this was a significant challenge to Roe and Doe that just happened this week that most people aren't even talking about.

00:14:26.000 So why don't we talk more about Doe versus Bolton?

00:14:30.000 I've never heard of it.

00:14:32.000 That's like surprising.

00:14:33.000 Like, yeah, I mean, that's sad.

00:14:35.000 Like, we need to be talking about more.

00:14:36.000 We always, it's Students for Life and the Proof Movement.

00:14:39.000 I always try to say Roe and Doe, Roe and Doe. 0.91

00:14:41.000 And when you do polling, we actually did some polling this January and I asked people, how do you feel about Roe?

00:14:47.000 You know, majority of young people said they supported Roe.

00:14:50.000 Then I said, oh, did you know Roe and Doe? 0.92

00:14:52.000 It's a companion case, released on the same day, allow abortion all nine months.

00:14:55.000 We immediately saw a 35-point shift and won the majority of the opinion of 18 and 30.

00:15:01.000 Has Doe ever been seriously challenged?

00:15:05.000 Roe and Doe are challenged.

00:15:07.000 You know, KCV Planned Parenthood was one of the biggest challenges, as you know.

00:15:11.000 And that was the first time the court said the states have an interest, a compelling interest, to listen, to allow some abortions to be restricted, to place some restrictions on abortion.

00:15:23.000 The partial birth abortion case of 2007, Gonzalez v. Planned Parenthood, Gonzalez v. Carhartt actually banned for the first time a specific type of abortion.

00:15:34.000 And what the court said there was, well, it doesn't infringe on Roe and Doe because you can still kill a baby late term.

00:15:39.000 You know, you just induce a cardiac arrest, induce a heart attack, and kill a baby late term.

00:15:43.000 You don't have to crush the skull.

00:15:46.000 So there have been challenges, but fundamentally, what the court has continued to say is access always Trump's safety, and you have to allow women the ability to end the life of their child. 0.98

00:15:57.000 So Roe versus Wade says only the first trimester.

00:16:00.000 First three months, yes.

00:16:01.000 And Doe versus Bolton says all.

00:16:03.000 If you have a medical definition of health and that health reason can be physical or emotional.

00:16:10.000 So do you think that the abortion lobby has intentionally focused on Roe versus Wade more?

00:16:15.000 Absolutely.

00:16:16.000 Yeah, I mean, you see it all the time.

00:16:17.000 Like, if you...

00:16:18.000 Oh, yeah.

00:16:19.000 If you see the AP or Royals will do a poll on abortion, they'll say, well, do you support Roe versus Wade?

00:16:24.000 It allows abortion the first three months.

00:16:26.000 And they'll never actually, you'll never hear them say Doe v. Bolton because they don't want they, Americans like to think of abortion as rare and only happening in certain circumstances and very early in pregnancy.

00:16:39.000 No one likes to admit what we all know is that late-term abortions happen and it's certainly not rare and that it's certainly not safe as the FDA did just this week.

00:16:48.000 I mean, I don't know if you saw what the FDA did this week, but they pulled the Johnson-Johnson vaccine for the COVID vaccine because a woman, a person died.

00:16:56.000 Other people were facing life-threatening complications.

00:17:01.000 It was already made out of abortive fetal stem cells, so the pro-life movement didn't even support the Johnson-Johnson vaccine.

00:17:06.000 The same exact day, the FDA came out and said, we know about 24 women have died from chemical abortion pills.

00:17:14.000 But we're going to let Planned Parenthood continue as they've been doing during COVID using COVID as an excuse to give out, dispense the abortion pill via webcam, via the mail, without testing and no-test abortion.

00:17:26.000 So you don't even have to confirm you're pregnant before you have a chemical abortion. 0.99

00:17:29.000 If you are pregnant and have an etomic pregnancy, when the child is lodged in the phlobian tube, it can kill a woman.

00:17:35.000 You don't even have to test for that.

00:17:36.000 You only have to test to see if you're RH negative, meaning if you have an abortion, you're RH negative, your blood type is RH negative, you will never be able to carry another child to term.

00:17:44.000 The FDA doesn't give anything about that.

00:17:47.000 They stopped the Johnson-Johnson vaccine because one person died and other people were seriously injured.

00:17:53.000 And then in the same day, they turned around and said, yeah, well, access Trump safety.

00:17:57.000 So let's talk about the incentive structure.

00:18:00.000 The abortion industry is one where a lot of people make a lot of money.

00:18:04.000 Talk about that.

00:18:05.000 Yeah, I mean, this is an actual industry.

00:18:08.000 Planned Parenthood receives over $600 million every single year from U.S. taxpayers.

00:18:15.000 A number of states fund abortion in their state Medicaid.

00:18:20.000 You know, historically, the Hyde Amendment has stopped federal taxpayers from funding abortion.

00:18:24.000 Now, Democrats in Congress have gotten rid of the Hyde Amendment.

00:18:28.000 There's a new bill to force all of us to pay for abortions. 0.72

00:18:32.000 But they get money.

00:18:33.000 They get money through, President Trump had the Protect Life Rule, which was one of the most significant pro-life victories that banned Planned Parenthood from receiving family planning funds and said it's not fair if a woman goes into a family planning clinic that there's an abortion facility right nearby.

00:18:48.000 And you're basically using these funds to sell your other procedure that you're charging her for.

00:18:54.000 The Biden administration is already saying they're going to expand Title 10 funding for Planned Parenthood.

00:19:00.000 It is a predatory business.

00:19:02.000 I mean, if you have children, think about what Planned Parenthood is doing.

00:19:05.000 They are on your child's phone.

00:19:08.000 They have their app, Rue.

00:19:09.000 You can go to Roo.

00:19:10.000 You can ask Roo any question and then it can connect you to a medical professional.

00:19:14.000 If you're, you know, if any question about sexuality, abortion, pregnancy, LGBTQ, transgender, which by the way, Planned Parents is the second largest distributor of transgender hormone replacement, whatever.

00:19:24.000 Chemical castration.

00:19:25.000 Yeah, of course, because they make money. 0.98

00:19:26.000 That's why they've been cozing up to the homosexual lobby for so many years. 0.97

00:19:31.000 But Planned Parenthood, they meet your child at school.

00:19:34.000 They teach the sex ed, offer to teach sex ed because they know the earlier they can have your young person, the young person in your life, get sexually active, the more they're going to come to Planned Parenthood for birth control, IUDs, which are carcinogenic, ST tests, which, by the way, they only treat 18% of STDs they diagnose.

00:19:52.000 They always talk about how they treat STDs.

00:19:54.000 Only 18% of STDs they diagnose do they actually treat.

00:19:58.000 But their goal is to get her in the door as many times as possible. 0.96

00:20:01.000 And then when she becomes pregnant, when the birth control fails, which birth control has a 9% annual failure rate, condoms have an 18% annual failure rate, then they know she's going to come back to them.

00:20:11.000 I have a friend who operates several abortion facilities in Dallas, Carol.

00:20:15.000 And Carol has said publicly for years that her goal when she ran her four abortion facilities, she had four or five abortion facilities there in the Dallas metro area, that they wanted four abortions for every woman in Dallas.

00:20:27.000 That was their financial goal.

00:20:29.000 It is a create a customer cycle that they have.

00:20:33.000 So who are the people that are making the money?

00:20:35.000 Sure, it's the abortionists. 0.86

00:20:37.000 There's the independent doctors who are operating clinics.

00:20:41.000 The Planned Parenthood.

00:20:42.000 I mean, think about Planned Parenthood is supposed to be this healthcare clinic that every single year nets hundreds of millions of dollars in profit.

00:20:51.000 And now they turn around and they're one of the biggest lobbying forces in Washington, D.C.

00:20:56.000 And they lead the charge on all of the messaging when it comes to promoting abortion and quote-unquote abortion rights in our country.

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00:22:04.000 So I see momentum in the pro-life movement.

00:22:07.000 I see people waking, waking up.

00:22:11.000 I think churches are starting to sort of get their proper role.

00:22:15.000 Churches that say they're pro-abortion, I just don't.

00:22:17.000 I know.

00:22:18.000 You and I share that.

00:22:19.000 I have tolerance for pro-choice people.

00:22:21.000 I do not have tolerance for pro-choice Christians. 1.00

00:22:23.000 I just lose my charity.

00:22:25.000 I went after what's the guy's name?

00:22:27.000 Lecrae, the rapper.

00:22:29.000 Oh, don't get me started on that video.

00:22:30.000 Yeah.

00:22:31.000 I would love to get you started because then you could, he can come attack you because he came after me.

00:22:36.000 You said I was, of course.

00:22:37.000 But we're in need of getting the next interval, right?

00:22:44.000 So young people are 55% in favor of pro-life currently.

00:22:48.000 Is that about right?

00:22:49.000 Yeah, it depends on how you ask the question, who's doing the asking.

00:22:52.000 That's about which is great.

00:22:55.000 That's a generational shift.

00:22:56.000 That was not the case 20 years ago, right?

00:22:58.000 That's right.

00:22:58.000 How do we get to 70?

00:23:00.000 How do we get to 80?

00:23:01.000 I guess what you're saying is we need more people to know.

00:23:03.000 Yeah, we need to continue to raise awareness about the violence, the cruelty that happens within the abortion facility.

00:23:10.000 Women who've been victimized by the abortion industry, they need to continue to talk about their abortions, how abortion never took her out of the poverty that she was living. 1.00

00:23:20.000 Didn't end the abusive relationship she was living in. 0.87

00:23:23.000 In fact, only allowed it to go on longer.

00:23:25.000 And so we need women to continue to speak out. 1.00

00:23:28.000 Science and technology has actually been incredibly helpful to the pro-life movement.

00:23:33.000 The ultrasound, you know, the whole, you know, window to the womb.

00:23:37.000 You cannot deny the humanity of the child.

00:23:40.000 And we've all seen our brothers and sisters and nieces and nephews, sons and daughters via ultrasound.

00:23:46.000 And you cannot deny that what is inside of that mother is not a unique whole living human being.

00:23:51.000 So we have to continue the education.

00:23:53.000 I think for our generation, the biggest challenge we have in the pro-life movement right now is a branding challenge of the label pro-life.

00:24:01.000 I actually use the label anti-abortion a lot more than I use pro-life because a lot of times people are like, I don't know what pro-life is, or they have a preconceived notion of what pro-life is.

00:24:11.000 I am totally fine saying I'm anti-abortion. 0.99

00:24:13.000 Sometimes people are like, no, you want to be positive.

00:24:15.000 I don't care.

00:24:15.000 I'm anti-smoking.

00:24:16.000 I'm anti-sex traffic.

00:24:17.000 You're anti-slavery.

00:24:18.000 I'm anti-slavery.

00:24:19.000 Like, I am totally fine.

00:24:21.000 And the thing is, we have to say the word abortion, Charlie, because it doesn't matter how someone calls themselves pro-life or pro-choice.

00:24:28.000 Number three, top three things people think about when they hear the word abortion are death-killing sadness, the top of the mind.

00:24:35.000 Everybody, everybody thinks that.

00:24:38.000 And so it's good to say abortion because that makes people uncomfortable. 0.99

00:24:41.000 We lose when we, you know, let them hide behind freedom of choice and these other euphemisms.

00:24:47.000 But I think we have a branding problem in the movement.

00:24:49.000 And I think what we've been doing in the pro-life generation and young people across the country of saying, look, we need to do a better job of talking about what resources we have available in a post-Roe world. 0.95

00:25:00.000 The fact that there are 8,000 fairly qualified health centers.

00:25:03.000 There's more than 3,000 pregnancy resource centers and maternity homes across the country.

00:25:07.000 That we are the ones in the pro-life movement advocating for foster care reform, adoption laws in our state capitals.

00:25:13.000 We're the ones doing it.

00:25:14.000 And we have a plan.

00:25:16.000 We have a vision for what America can look like without legal abortion, where no woman ever feels like that. 0.99

00:25:24.000 So some pro-life, anti-abortion people I know they say, and this is the criticism I've, you've heard me say it.

00:25:31.000 And it, yeah, I think you agree with it.

00:25:33.000 We don't do a good job advertising the amount of pro-life work.

00:25:43.000 And I mean that not just on the abortion side, but foster care.

00:25:46.000 That's right.

00:25:46.000 Development, adoption.

00:25:49.000 You go through those numbers again a little bit slower because they're good.

00:25:52.000 You're at 5,000, 4,000.

00:25:53.000 It's great.

00:25:55.000 Let's say a woman gets pregnant right now in Dallas, Texas. 0.73

00:25:58.000 She thinks Planned Parenthood is her only option. 0.51

00:26:00.000 Is that true?

00:26:01.000 That is absolutely not true.

00:26:03.000 So we have a lot of resources in the pro-life movement.

00:26:06.000 I mean, we are walking the walk.

00:26:08.000 And I think that is one of our biggest problems: we are so focused on getting the job done.

00:26:13.000 Not the marketing.

00:26:14.000 And I always tell our team, like, if people don't know you did it, did you really do it?

00:26:18.000 Yeah, I mean, and you know, I'm in the movement, but I'm not in the movement.

00:26:22.000 Yeah.

00:26:22.000 And I'm like, you guys got to be in front of people more.

00:26:25.000 Exactly.

00:26:25.000 If someone gave me a billion dollars to end abortion today, I was saying this earlier, 900 million of it, I would put into marketing.

00:26:32.000 It's actually pretty simple because no one actually ever wants abortion.

00:26:35.000 When you're standing in front of a Planned Parenthood on a Saturday morning praying or witnessing to women, no one is ever excited to walk into that abortion facility.

00:26:43.000 Say, oh, I'm just exercising my reproductive rights or my choice.

00:26:47.000 Everyone is sad because that is the place of no hope.

00:26:51.000 That is the place of last resort.

00:26:53.000 And Planned Parenthood prays off of that.

00:26:54.000 They think they don't have a choice.

00:26:57.000 But there is a choice.

00:26:58.000 Tell us what those are.

00:26:59.000 So if you think about the pro-life movement, starting in the 80s, the pro-life movement set up what's called pregnancy resource centers, pregnancy help centers, crisis pregnancy centers.

00:27:09.000 We have like three different acronyms for these.

00:27:11.000 But we have over 3,000 across the country today that are pregnancy resource centers, as well as maternity homes.

00:27:18.000 Now, these are homes where women can go and live with their children, their other children, as well as when they're pregnant. 1.00

00:27:25.000 They usually can live in the homes till the child they give birth to is one or two.

00:27:29.000 We also have transitional homes for parents who still aren't up on their feet and need help.

00:27:35.000 And those maternity homes provide job skill training and all those resources. 0.97

00:27:39.000 But if a woman is pregnant in Dallas today, there are a number of amazing pregnancy centers I know of in Dallas she can walk into.

00:27:48.000 And those women at the center who are volunteer for the most part, all volunteer, they will do everything possible to walk alongside her throughout the crisis of the pregnancy to get her out of the crisis to walk with her until she delivers and then after she delivers.

00:28:03.000 If she wants to put it up for adoption or whatever.

00:28:06.000 If she wants to place her child with an adoptive family, absolutely, they have the connections to help her walk her through that.

00:28:14.000 That incredibly brave and self-sacrificial choice.

00:28:17.000 But these are centers that do that and they're for free.

00:28:20.000 And you can go to optionline.org.

00:28:23.000 You can text helpline to 313131.

00:28:26.000 It's a national database that Heartbeat International has where you can just put in your zip code.

00:28:31.000 And you can find one of these pro-life pregnancy resource centers.

00:28:34.000 In fact, Students for Life has a program where I'm not even waiting for the pregnancy centers to advertise their resources now.

00:28:39.000 I'm putting over a million dollars this year in 19 cities just to go.

00:28:43.000 We're actually using a political database here in Phoenix.

00:28:46.000 We're actually doing it.

00:28:46.000 We're knocking door by door and neighborhoods surrounding abortion facilities, educating people about the terror that's going in the abortion facilities and about the pregnancy centers.

00:28:56.000 And none of the neighbors know the pregnancy centers even exist.

00:29:00.000 The other place you can go to is findahealthcenter.hirsa, h-r-s-a.gov.

00:29:05.000 Findahealthcenter.hirsa.gov.

00:29:08.000 So I worked in the government.

00:29:09.000 There's lots of acronyms.

00:29:11.000 I'm sorry.

00:29:12.000 But there's these things called FQHCs, federally qualified health centers. 0.59

00:29:15.000 These are nonprofit, not pro-life.

00:29:19.000 These are community health clinics that the government already currently funds.

00:29:23.000 They serve 21 million men, women, and children.

00:29:26.000 They provide every single medical service that Planned Parenthood provides, plus way more services.

00:29:32.000 I actually go to an FQHC back in Pittsburgh because I live in a rural neighborhood.

00:29:36.000 They serve rural and urban underserved neighborhoods.

00:29:40.000 And if you go to one of their centers and you need a medical service or a specialist that they don't have, they're actually legally obligated to make sure you get to a medical health center.

00:29:49.000 If every single Planned Parenthood in America would shut down tomorrow, which is one of my objectives, these federally qualified health centers would only have to see two more patients per week.

00:29:59.000 So those are funded by taxpayers.

00:30:01.000 We're already funding them, but these are independent.

00:30:03.000 They don't offer abortions.

00:30:04.000 They don't offer abortions.

00:30:05.000 They do offer contraception.

00:30:08.000 But they offer abortifacients.

00:30:10.000 They do offer abortifacient contraception, which we disagree with in the pro-life movement, but at least they're not the abortion.

00:30:17.000 So your preference would be optionline.org.

00:30:19.000 Absolutely.

00:30:20.000 Because these are pro-life pregnancy centers. 0.79

00:30:21.000 These centers offer ultrasound testing, pregnancy testing, SCD testing, sometimes SC treatment.

00:30:27.000 If you are pregnant, they all have connections with the local pro-life OBGYNs who will see you, work with you. 0.66

00:30:34.000 If you don't have insurance, they will, these ladies at the center will do anything. 1.00

00:30:37.000 I knew a Pregnancy Crisis Center in Palos Heights, Illinois.

00:30:40.000 They did an amazing job.

00:30:41.000 They have like no money.

00:30:42.000 Yeah.

00:30:43.000 And it's so funny.

00:30:44.000 I wanted to give money to the Phoenix one.

00:30:46.000 I couldn't find one.

00:30:48.000 You have amazing ones here in Phoenix.

00:30:50.000 They don't market themselves.

00:30:51.000 I'm sorry.

00:30:51.000 And I went to three of their websites and I reached out to them, didn't hear back.

00:30:54.000 That's fine.

00:30:55.000 They're doing a lot, right?

00:30:56.000 I have a call with one of their executive directors tomorrow.

00:30:58.000 I'll come back to you.

00:30:59.000 Connect me.

00:30:59.000 I will.

00:31:00.000 But the Pregnancy Crisis Center, most people don't even know they exist.

00:31:02.000 I know.

00:31:03.000 And these are pro-life competitors in a good way to Planned Parenthood where their whole setup for women that are pregnant and they're like, come to us, we're going to help you. 0.82

00:31:12.000 And most people, just so you know, don't even know they exist.

00:31:15.000 They don't know the concept exists.

00:31:17.000 No, I know.

00:31:17.000 Our own polling that I was mentioning earlier, we polled on pregnancy centers.

00:31:21.000 And we said, if you had a friend who is in a crisis pregnancy who didn't want to have an abortion, would you know where to send her?

00:31:26.000 Less than two out of 10 knew that there was like an alternative.

00:31:29.000 And by the way, if you're pregnant and you go to Planned Parenthood, there's like only one thing they can help you with, and that is an abortion.

00:31:37.000 94, 96% of pregnant women who walk in Planned Parents' doors get an abortion. 0.92

00:31:43.000 I went into Planned Parenthood several times when I was pregnant with my first child.

00:31:47.000 They literally couldn't even offer me prenatal vitamins.

00:31:51.000 They didn't even, I said, oh, what if I decide to keep this fetus?

00:31:54.000 Like, what kind of, you know, OB care?

00:31:56.000 Is there an OB in the area?

00:31:57.000 Oh, we don't know.

00:31:58.000 Like, they literally had.

00:31:59.000 Well, we have those videos.

00:32:00.000 They tried to destroy his life of Dadarian. 1.00

00:32:03.000 Is he going to jail or what's David DeLeiden?

00:32:05.000 That shows my memory.

00:32:06.000 He's not going to jail, not yet.

00:32:08.000 But yes, they're doing everything possible.

00:32:09.000 He's a really good guy.

00:32:10.000 He's amazing.

00:32:11.000 And so tell our audience about him.

00:32:13.000 So David DeLeiden founded a group, Center for Medical Progress.

00:32:17.000 He went undercover for several years in the abortion industry and actually got an abortionist here in Phoenix on the record talking about crushing skulls.

00:32:25.000 But he posed as a person who is setting up a fetal tissue stem cell bank where he was going to buy the children that are aborted.

00:32:34.000 And this is actually something that the abortion industry doesn't want anyone to know.

00:32:38.000 They have a major problem in that they don't know how to dispose of all the bodies that they kill.

00:32:43.000 That's why they love chemical abortions because they tell a woman, just go home, sell in a toilet, don't flush. 1.00

00:32:47.000 And it's not their problem.

00:32:48.000 They don't have to pay for the disposal of the child.

00:32:51.000 It's very expensive.

00:32:52.000 There was an abortionist in Indiana just a couple of years ago, died, Cloffler, and his garage was filled with aborted babies.

00:32:59.000 And this is a common thing.

00:33:00.000 So David got Planned Parenthood's chief medical officer on tape negotiating rates. 0.99

00:33:07.000 You know, Planned Parenthood is getting paid by the government and by her to kill a child. 1.00

00:33:12.000 And then they were turning around, negotiating the rate with who they thought was this vendor to sell the broken bodies of children they aborted.

00:33:21.000 And then she was Deb New Gatola, the head medical director of Planned Parenthood, was then like talking about how she would alter the late-term abortion procedure to keep the fetus more intact because there were certain pieces of tissue that he needed.

00:33:34.000 And he went around, he went to the National Abortion Federation, which is like the union of the abortionists, and got films are there.

00:33:41.000 There's the judge in San Francisco.

00:33:43.000 It is the most corrupt case.

00:33:44.000 This is a judge who helped fund and found a Planned Parenthood in San Francisco.

00:33:49.000 Will not recuse himself in this case.

00:33:51.000 Didn't Kamala Harris go after him big time? 0.99

00:33:53.000 Absolutely.

00:33:53.000 Kamala Harris's attorney general raided his one-bedroom apartment with like nine agents with guns to take his server, his computer, all this stuff.

00:34:03.000 Now, the videos are still out there, though, somewhere, right?

00:34:05.000 Yeah.

00:34:05.000 Sometimes they get found in parking lots and get put up on YouTube.

00:34:08.000 Yes.

00:34:09.000 But I couldn't find them the other day.

00:34:10.000 I was trying to find them and post it on Facebook.

00:34:12.000 You have to look.

00:34:14.000 There's ways to find them.

00:34:16.000 A lot of them from CMP had to get taken down, but there's other third-party folks sometimes who find them and put them up.

00:34:21.000 Students for Life has puts them up.

00:34:23.000 But social media companies take them down pretty quick, right?

00:34:26.000 Absolutely.

00:34:26.000 Yeah.

00:34:26.000 I mean, this is truth that they don't want to get out.

00:34:29.000 This is the very dirty reality of abortion.

00:34:33.000 But why is it because he filmed without consent or something?

00:34:36.000 What is the yeah?

00:34:37.000 So the argument against David in California is that the NAF National Abortion Federation conference and some of the conversations that he had with a Planned Parenthood facility workers, like the one with the abortionist in Pasadena, was saying she wanted a Lamborghini.

00:34:54.000 Those were filmed in California, which is a two-party consent state.

00:34:57.000 And so therefore, if you publicize it or whatever.

00:35:00.000 Yeah, but it's an argument.

00:35:02.000 But you think about PETA and other groups, they go expectation of privacy, though.

00:35:06.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:35:07.000 Right.

00:35:07.000 She was shipping like fine wine.

00:35:09.000 Yes.

00:35:10.000 This was six years ago.

00:35:11.000 Oh, yeah.

00:35:11.000 And I remember it vividly.

00:35:12.000 I haven't seen those videos in six years.

00:35:13.000 Yeah.

00:35:14.000 And no one knows about it.

00:35:15.000 Not no one.

00:35:15.000 I shouldn't say that.

00:35:16.000 But like, I talk to people.

00:35:17.000 They're like, I don't really know you're, but you have to see these videos.

00:35:20.000 I couldn't even find them the other day.

00:35:21.000 It's they are unbelievable.

00:35:23.000 They're trying to crush that guy's life.

00:35:24.000 They absolutely, they absolutely are.

00:35:26.000 They're doing everything possible to attack David.

00:35:28.000 Yeah.

00:35:29.000 So I want to help him.

00:35:30.000 We can talk about that later.

00:35:31.000 So in closing, I think men are part of the problem big time. 0.94

00:35:36.000 They need to take responsibility for their actions.

00:35:38.000 And if you find out you've impregnated a woman, you need to take the leadership role and say that you're going to play an active role.

00:35:45.000 That's right.

00:35:45.000 I think that majority of women who have abortions, they'll tell the abortion vendor they're having the abortion because they lack partner support.

00:35:52.000 Yes.

00:35:53.000 And what we have found, women, I personally have interviewed, had abortions, didn't have abortion.

00:35:57.000 There's always the woman who doesn't have the abortion is because she had one person in her life to say, you don't have to do this.

00:36:05.000 I will be there with you.

00:36:06.000 And so you, anybody can be that one person for someone else.

00:36:10.000 So your goal is to end abortion. 0.61

00:36:12.000 Absolutely.

00:36:13.000 It's going to be a big project.

00:36:15.000 I think it can happen quicker than people realize.

00:36:18.000 It's as Ernest Hemingway said, things happen gradually, then suddenly.

00:36:21.000 That's right.

00:36:22.000 Right.

00:36:22.000 That's how I feel it's happening.

00:36:24.000 Resources are helpful.

00:36:25.000 Getting the truth out is helpful.

00:36:27.000 What's one thing people can do listening at home to actually effectuate change?

00:36:32.000 I think you have to refuse to be silent on this issue.

00:36:35.000 I was speaking with some Canadian pro-lifers, and they don't have the same freedom of speech in Canada.

00:36:40.000 And it's actually terrifying.

00:36:42.000 Our students for life groups are being canceled on these campuses.

00:36:46.000 People, priests, elderly priests in their 80s are being arrested for praying in front of abortion facilities in Toronto.

00:36:54.000 We cannot allow what's happening in Canada, the council culture that's happened there, come down here. 1.00

00:37:00.000 And it's already started.

00:37:01.000 The soft totalitarianism has already started, but we cannot be silent.

00:37:06.000 We have to refuse to be canceled.

00:37:08.000 And that means you have to speak up, whether it's like you listen to my podcast and get all the facts and then regurgitate it on your Facebook page later.

00:37:16.000 You speak up in your church or your parish.

00:37:18.000 Make your youth group.

00:37:19.000 I mean, I can't tell you if every Christian church in America acted like abortion was actually the violence and murder it really is, we would not have abortion. 0.93

00:37:28.000 The majority of women who seek abortions say they've gone to church at least once in the past month.

00:37:34.000 We have to stop it.

00:37:36.000 And I think if you're active in your church for sure, and I know you've got the whole new faith mission.

00:37:39.000 Let me talk to you about that.

00:37:41.000 But if the church just stood up and did something, we could end this.

00:37:45.000 Yes.

00:37:45.000 And many pastors are afraid because they think they're going to lose people.

00:37:48.000 They don't know what they're talking about.

00:37:50.000 And so, no, they don't. 1.00

00:37:51.000 And they're cowards. 0.98

00:37:52.000 And Pastor Rob McCoy, who's right through there, his church has done a phenomenal job. 0.99

00:37:55.000 They have a whole pro-life ministry there, and I'd love to connect you with that.

00:37:59.000 And so I totally agree.

00:38:00.000 I think we have to think bigger.

00:38:01.000 And you're doing this.

00:38:02.000 The goal is to end abortion, just like the goal when we founded the Republican Party was to end slavery. 0.80

00:38:08.000 And they are moral equivalents.

00:38:09.000 And we shouldn't allow anyone to be like, oh, you can't conford.

00:38:11.000 No, like you're murdering people.

00:38:13.000 And it's the exact same argument.

00:38:15.000 It's the same thing.

00:38:16.000 It's the dehumanization argument.

00:38:18.000 And it's now manifested itself because in 1860, in 1760, in 1660, the technology was not what it is today to be able to mechanize the destruction and the death of a million people every single year.

00:38:32.000 But now it's there.

00:38:33.000 And because, to your point, it's not front-facing, people say, oh, it's not a big deal, or they support it or they fund it.

00:38:39.000 So I want to commend you for the great work you're doing.

00:38:41.000 You wanted me to talk about one thing, right?

00:38:43.000 Yes.

00:38:44.000 I want you to tell the pro-life.

00:38:47.000 In the pro-life movement, it's very diverse.

00:38:49.000 I work with students all the time who'll say, I'm a liberal, I'm a Democrat.

00:38:52.000 I'm like, okay, great.

00:38:53.000 Join us and I'll convert you to becoming Republican later.

00:38:56.000 And it always happens, by the way.

00:38:57.000 Yeah, because they're usually pro-life Democrats.

00:38:59.000 They just don't exist.

00:39:00.000 Yeah, they don't exist anymore.

00:39:01.000 Okay.

00:39:02.000 But I have heard over and over again this thing of, well, you know, if we really are pro-life, we want to take care of the mobs.

00:39:09.000 And then it starts this argument for basically socialism.

00:39:13.000 Government funded this, government funded that.

00:39:16.000 And that's very, very stereotyped.

00:39:18.000 So I'm like, have you ever known a socialist government that doesn't kill a communist government that hasn't killed millions?

00:39:24.000 Totally.

00:39:25.000 Like that is the antithesis of being pro-life.

00:39:28.000 So can you tell pro-lifers why, why they also must be pro-capitalism?

00:39:35.000 Totally.

00:39:35.000 I'm going to give a broader answer, then I'll get specifically to that.

00:39:38.000 I get this question all the time.

00:39:40.000 So they say, Charlie, I agree with you on the abortion thing, but how could you also be pro-life and want stricter immigration or want more police?

00:39:51.000 And I say, okay, every position I have is a pro-life position.

00:39:54.000 Every single one.

00:39:55.000 It's about the welfare of the human being, every single position.

00:39:58.000 So I want stricter immigration because it's happening on the southern border when women are getting raped when they cross the southern border, when they give birth control to 12-year-olds because they're likely to be kidnapped by cartel members.

00:40:10.000 No, that's why I want stricter immigration. 0.89

00:40:13.000 I also care about the welfare of my fellow countrymen.

00:40:15.000 I want more police on the streets of Chicago because that means more people are going to live and not get shot on the way to school.

00:40:22.000 I want school choice because I know that's going to result in a better life for human beings.

00:40:28.000 Every position I have is a pro-life position, including my position on markets.

00:40:32.000 So markets have been the best way to improve human flourishing and well-being.

00:40:39.000 Now, with that being said, I do not believe in markets the way I believe in my religion.

00:40:44.000 I don't.

00:40:45.000 I believe in common sense regulation.

00:40:47.000 I believe in a check and balance.

00:40:49.000 I am by no means purely laissez-faire.

00:40:53.000 In fact, I've become far less in that way in the last couple of years, especially with some of the corporate tyranny we're living under.

00:40:59.000 And I think that's something that we just all have to admit that's happening.

00:41:02.000 With that being said, though, entrepreneurs, small business owners, people taking risks, private property is a moral need for a nation.

00:41:09.000 Why?

00:41:10.000 Founding fathers understood this, life, liberty, and private property, not pursuit of happiness.

00:41:14.000 It was originally life, liberty, private property, as John Locke wrote it.

00:41:17.000 It's because the Bible talks about this very clearly, your capacity to be able to own something is an extension of your consciousness, an extension of who you are, to be able to accumulate wealth, to be able to provide for your family.

00:41:32.000 These are moral goods and needs.

00:41:33.000 It says in the scriptures very clearly, a man does not work, he does not eat.

00:41:37.000 And this is the best way to abolish poverty.

00:41:39.000 It's the best way to lift people up from their current socioeconomic circumstances.

00:41:43.000 And my belief system very clearly is that a socialist, communist, collectivist viewpoint, which is now happening very quickly, is directly tied together to the dehumanization movement of abortion.

00:41:55.000 I love human beings so much, I believe that they're better than getting a government check.

00:42:00.000 I love human beings so much.

00:42:01.000 I believe that they are able to break out of the poverty that they're in.

00:42:05.000 Only markets can do that, or at least the freedom that markets provide.

00:42:09.000 And I refuse to indulge in this argument that like, oh, they're always going to be poor.

00:42:16.000 Then why not abort them?

00:42:18.000 That's the argument that people make.

00:42:20.000 So they're tied together.

00:42:21.000 It's the bigotry of low expectations.

00:42:23.000 It's like, oh, I don't think that that person in Philadelphia can achieve the success.

00:42:29.000 Therefore, they need all of these government programs.

00:42:31.000 Don't get me wrong.

00:42:31.000 I think that there should be assistance.

00:42:33.000 I just want it to be a safety net, not a hammock.

00:42:35.000 And I believe that we have a whole culture of government dependency.

00:42:38.000 But in your view, and this is for your listeners to think about, if deep down they're thinking themselves, I don't think they can make it.

00:42:46.000 I don't think, I think that I think so lowly of that person in New York City that they, I must provide them a government subsidized check, that leads to abortion before you could ever believe.

00:42:58.000 Because what you're really saying is that I don't actually think they can break out of their current circumstances.

00:43:03.000 What you and I believe is actually the highest fulfillment and the flourishing of human beings.

00:43:08.000 And that's a holistic pro-life stance.

00:43:10.000 That's absolutely right.

00:43:10.000 I mean, it's kind of what we hear a lot on campuses of, well, we should just eliminate the sufferer, not the suffering.

00:43:17.000 Yes.

00:43:18.000 Capitalism can eliminate the suffering.

00:43:20.000 It can generate wealth.

00:43:21.000 Yes, an opportunity and improvement of goods and services.

00:43:25.000 And you got to another point here, which is first freedoms of not just markets, not just private property, but speech.

00:43:31.000 God bless our founding fathers.

00:43:33.000 I mean, students for life would be criminalized in Canada.

00:43:35.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:43:36.000 This idea of, we are the speaking beings, as Aristotle said.

00:43:40.000 That means that our capacity to think, our capacity to reason, is rooted in our capacity to speak.

00:43:44.000 And that's a moral good.

00:43:46.000 You're only going to get rid of abortion if you can speak. 0.98

00:43:49.000 It's not going to happen if you can't convince people, right?

00:43:51.000 And Isaiah says, Isaiah 1, we are going to reason together.

00:43:51.000 That's right.

00:43:54.000 Well, guess what?

00:43:55.000 More science, more ultrasounds.

00:43:57.000 The WTTW you said, which is the window to the womb. 0.90

00:43:59.000 I love that.

00:43:59.000 I'm going to totally use that.

00:44:01.000 That's how we're going to get rid of abortion. 1.00

00:44:03.000 And so I love markets because I love human beings.

00:44:06.000 I love freedom because I care about the moral good of every human being that's right now in the womb that's getting crushed.

00:44:12.000 No, the only way for them to be able to live a full life as Christ commanded us is if the government protects the freedoms that God grants them.

00:44:20.000 It's perfect.

00:44:21.000 There you go.

00:44:22.000 That's the quote.

00:44:23.000 There you go.

00:44:24.000 Well, Kristen, you're doing great work.

00:44:25.000 Well, thanks for everything you all are doing.

00:44:27.000 We see turning point all the time on campuses.

00:44:29.000 I was on campus the other day with a turning point.

00:44:32.000 We're getting more and more in the life issue.

00:44:33.000 You know that.

00:44:33.000 And I speak about it a lot.

00:44:35.000 We're going to end this thing together.

00:44:37.000 That's your daily mission.

00:44:38.000 I focus more broadly.

00:44:39.000 We want to work with you.

00:44:40.000 I'm unafraid to talk about it.

00:44:41.000 You know that.

00:44:42.000 Good.

00:44:42.000 That's awesome.

00:44:43.000 Thank you.

00:44:46.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:44:48.000 Email us your questions, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:44:51.000 God bless you guys.

00:44:52.000 Speak to you soon.

00:44:55.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - May 13, 2022

Recounting the Long March Toward the End of Roe with Students For Life National President Kristan Hawkins

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