The Charlie Kirk Show - May 16, 2023


Rejecting the "Spirit of Timidity" with Eric Metaxas


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Pastor Eric Metaxas joins us as we preview our upcoming Pastors Summit, where over 1,000 Pastors and Church Leaders will be in attendance. Join us to hear Pastor Eric's thoughts on why the church should speak out against white supremacy.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Tana Charlie Kirk Show.
00:00:01.000 Eric Metaxas joins us as we preview our TPUSA Faith Pastors Summit coming up next week.
00:00:07.000 If you are a pastor or you know a pastor, please lovingly encourage them to attend our pastors summit next week.
00:00:14.000 They can do that at tpfaith.com and find all the information there.
00:00:18.000 Just click on the events tab that is tpfaith.com.
00:00:21.000 Over 1,000 pastors and church leaders will be there.
00:00:24.000 Some of the biggest speakers in the entire movement, Eric Metaxas, joins us to talk about this issue and more throughout the hour.
00:00:31.000 Email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:00:34.000 Buckle up everybody here.
00:00:36.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:36.000 We go.
00:00:38.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
00:00:40.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
00:00:44.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
00:00:47.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:00:48.000 He's an incredible guy.
00:00:49.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:57.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:06.000 That's why we are here.
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00:01:18.000 Okay, we have a pastor summit coming up, and you guys can get your tickets at tpfaith.com if you are a pastor or in senior leadership of a church.
00:01:27.000 Amazing lineup of speakers.
00:01:29.000 You guys could check it out.
00:01:30.000 And this is not your typical pastor summit.
00:01:33.000 Look, the mission statement of TPSA Faith, not the mission statement, the immediate goal.
00:01:38.000 Let me put it this way.
00:01:39.000 The immediate goal is to kick wokeism out of the American church.
00:01:42.000 Wokeism has no place in American Christianity.
00:01:45.000 It's rooted in subjectivism.
00:01:47.000 It is going to destroy biblical inerrancy, the belief in biblical inerrancy.
00:01:52.000 And it's growing.
00:01:53.000 It's metastasizing.
00:01:54.000 That tumor is taking over the church far too quickly.
00:01:58.000 And we have some of the best speakers to help address that, as well as some of the other issues of the day.
00:02:03.000 We have Mark Meadows, Jensen Franklin, Dave Ramsey.
00:02:07.000 We have Michael O'Fallon, James Lindsay, Rick Green, Chad Connolly, Pastor John Amanchukwu.
00:02:15.000 So it's tpfaith.com.
00:02:17.000 That's tpfaith.com.
00:02:18.000 Eric Metaxas.
00:02:20.000 Really looking forward to that.
00:02:21.000 It's going to be incredible.
00:02:22.000 So let me play some tape here of some other stories that are connected here.
00:02:30.000 Let's go to cut eight.
00:02:32.000 Joe Biden says the greatest threat to America and our homeland is white supremacy.
00:02:39.000 Play cut eight. 0.98
00:02:41.000 Stand up against the poison of white supremacy as I did my inaugural address to single out as the most dangerous terrorist threat to our homeland is white supremacy. 0.96
00:03:00.000 And I'm not saying this because I'm not a black HBCU. 0.96
00:03:05.000 I say it wherever I go.
00:03:07.000 Are there other types of HBCUs?
00:03:10.000 Are there white HBCUs or Hispanic HBCUs?
00:03:14.000 I'm just being a little mean. 0.91
00:03:16.000 Being mean to a dementia man. 0.95
00:03:18.000 Is white supremacy the greatest threat to the country? 0.98
00:03:20.000 You see, this is typical white liberal talk. 0.97
00:03:23.000 White liberals actually do believe themselves to be supreme.
00:03:25.000 Look, I don't like bigotry.
00:03:26.000 You don't like bigotry. 1.00
00:03:27.000 That's why we stand against black-only dormitories.
00:03:30.000 Joe Biden's in favor of black-only dormitories. 0.98
00:03:32.000 We don't believe in black-only graduation ceremonies. 0.98
00:03:35.000 Columbia University is.
00:03:37.000 You see, here's an interesting question to mull over. 0.99
00:03:41.000 What is a greater threat to black America?
00:03:45.000 Dads not raising their kids or white supremacy? 0.50
00:03:50.000 What is a greater threat to black America? 0.94
00:03:54.000 Gang violence or white supremacy? 0.89
00:03:58.000 Well, the church should be speaking morally clear on this issue.
00:04:01.000 Unfortunately, it's not.
00:04:03.000 And joining us now is Eric Metaxas, very serious, important man.
00:04:06.000 His Excellency, welcome to the program.
00:04:09.000 Just a joy to be with you, Charlie.
00:04:11.000 Anytime you know that.
00:04:13.000 We have fun, but we're talking about the most serious things imaginable, which is maybe why we have to joke around for mental health.
00:04:21.000 It's coping, Eric.
00:04:22.000 And next time, put on a tie.
00:04:24.000 All right.
00:04:25.000 It would be much appreciated.
00:04:27.000 So I can't believe that.
00:04:29.000 Can you tell me that I'm wearing a wig?
00:04:30.000 Go ahead.
00:04:31.000 Is that I thought it was just a piece.
00:04:33.000 So, the question I have: we're basically looming on the edge of the apocalypse.
00:04:39.000 And I'm not exaggerating.
00:04:40.000 Where's the church, Eric?
00:04:41.000 You wrote the most beautiful book.
00:04:43.000 People are coming up to me all the time and they're saying, Letter to the American.
00:04:47.000 I'm not just saying this, Eric. 1.00
00:04:48.000 You know, I wouldn't buttered you up unless it was true.
00:04:50.000 People are saying it changed their life.
00:04:51.000 Literally, it's the most important book.
00:04:53.000 Just remind our audience about the book.
00:04:55.000 And look, talk about our pastor summit.
00:04:56.000 We got a big deal coming next week.
00:04:58.000 We're going to do something about it, Eric.
00:04:59.000 Well, listen, this is something, this is tough stuff.
00:05:03.000 Okay.
00:05:03.000 You're way younger than I am, but I'm just here to say part of the reason the church is not waking up or is waking up very, very slowly is because most people have never lived through anything like this.
00:05:16.000 Most American Christians have never had to deal with what we call evil, satanic evil.
00:05:23.000 And we want to pretend it's not happening.
00:05:25.000 We want to pretend like, oh, it's just a bad patch and we'll get back to normal. 0.99
00:05:30.000 Historically, that's garbage. 0.98
00:05:33.000 Historically, satanic evil rules and reigns at periods. 0.99
00:05:38.000 When the death camps existed in Germany.
00:05:38.000 Okay.
00:05:40.000 Now, any American Christian who wants to bracket that and say, well, that was unique. 1.00
00:05:43.000 That was like a weird thing. 0.94
00:05:44.000 That can't happen here.
00:05:46.000 That's theologically preposterous. 0.85
00:05:48.000 You have as much evil in you, and we have as much evil in America as Germany did during that period. 0.95
00:05:54.000 Jesus is the answer today and was then. 0.90
00:05:57.000 They had the excuse that the Holocaust had never happened and they never thought things could get that bad. 0.64
00:06:02.000 We don't have that excuse.
00:06:04.000 But the fact of the matter is, Charlie, no kidding, most people cannot process, and I get that because it's been hard for me to process how evil things are.
00:06:13.000 Many people just look away.
00:06:15.000 Many people have coping mechanisms.
00:06:19.000 But the fact of the matter is, the reason I wrote the book, Letter to the American Church, and I can't take credit.
00:06:24.000 I say this as earnestly as I can.
00:06:27.000 God led me to write this.
00:06:29.000 I don't go and won't go into details now, but I can just say bluntly, I believe this is God's message of mercy to his church at a time when we sort of don't deserve it.
00:06:40.000 He's giving us a warning and a clear path.
00:06:43.000 It's really the same thing Bonhoeffer was trying to say to the German church in the 30s.
00:06:48.000 They similarly refused to hear it.
00:06:50.000 They thought, no, no, no, you know what?
00:06:52.000 The pendulum swings back and forth.
00:06:52.000 Everything's fine.
00:06:54.000 But if you're clear-minded, as you are, and as I am, and as many others are, you see on every front, not one or two things, on many fronts, a level of lunacy, insanity, wickedness, evil, corruption we have never seen before.
00:07:12.000 And if the church, if those who dare to call themselves Christians do not stand up and speak up and self-sacrificially act in a way that pushes against this, that speaks against this, that says, no, we will not have this.
00:07:28.000 If Christians don't do that, we slide into the abyss. 0.60
00:07:32.000 And many people just need to be convinced, yes, we're sliding to that abyss.
00:07:36.000 And by the way, it will be because of your inaction.
00:07:40.000 God will hold you responsible for saying nothing, for doing nothing, for attending a church that pretends like none of this is happening, for attending a church that's more worried about being divisive than about speaking truth.
00:07:53.000 Yeah.
00:07:54.000 So, Eric, you're going to have to help me with this one.
00:07:56.000 Someone who I really respect, who is one of the most just committed Christians, who totally agrees with us, and he's speaking out.
00:08:02.000 He's amazing.
00:08:03.000 But he said, Charlie, I want you to pray about this, not to call the people that are not speaking out cowards.
00:08:03.000 Okay.
00:08:10.000 Use a different word.
00:08:12.000 I mean, do you think it matters?
00:08:13.000 Do you think that because I'm torn on it, right?
00:08:16.000 And I really respect this man.
00:08:17.000 He came from, he's just, he said it out of a spirit of we're trying to win these people over, not turn them off.
00:08:22.000 Listen, um, even when someone is a coward, uh, sometimes it's not the thing to do to call them a coward.
00:08:30.000 Let's just say that all of that is not relevant in a way.
00:08:34.000 What we're talking about, I mean, I guess it can be unhelpful, but I just want to say that if somebody is, let's say somebody is simply being fearful, let's say somebody is being what they consider prudent, they think they're being prudent.
00:08:51.000 So let's just say what you're doing is not God's will.
00:08:54.000 So, okay, we don't need to throw the term around coward.
00:08:58.000 I mean, some people, um, you know, people rarely realize they're being cowards.
00:09:03.000 No, no, I say it all the time.
00:09:04.000 I'm just trying to look at it.
00:09:05.000 Is there a way I, because here's why I am failing in one regard.
00:09:09.000 I'm not able to reach these wokey people in the middle that are kind of wishy-washy.
00:09:15.000 I'm trying to figure out because, Eric, what we are doing really good at TPSA Faith is find the people that are a little open, curious.
00:09:21.000 We're winning that.
00:09:22.000 The people that we need, though, Eric, to get the Bonhoeffer Brigade, you and I both agree, right?
00:09:27.000 Is that next notch up, right?
00:09:29.000 Forget, forget the, you know, the Carl Lentzes or whatever, or the Judas Smith and Levi Lusko, waste of time, right?
00:09:36.000 But how about Greg Lori, right?
00:09:39.000 Why is he not speaking out?
00:09:40.000 And I'm willing to change, you know, vocabulary, diction, you know, tone, but I'm not obviously going to compromise on truth.
00:09:48.000 And that's what I, because I just, I lose patience, Eric. 0.94
00:09:50.000 I'm like, you're a coward at this point.
00:09:52.000 If you don't speak out, maybe I'm, maybe I'm hurting the cause by speaking that definitively. 0.95
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00:11:12.000 Sorry, Eric, I talked a lot.
00:11:14.000 I mean, look, I love Greg Laurie.
00:11:16.000 I love some of these guys, but I think there's another notch that they could engage.
00:11:20.000 Do you agree, Eric?
00:11:21.000 Is that fair?
00:11:23.000 Let me put it this way.
00:11:24.000 Let me put it this way.
00:11:27.000 I adore Greg Lori.
00:11:28.000 He's a dear friend.
00:11:29.000 But I think the reason I wrote the book Letter to the American Church, honestly, is to reach those people who are unclear, right?
00:11:39.000 In other words, we're not talking about the cowards.
00:11:41.000 We're not talking about the woke people that are that couldn't care less about America, that couldn't care less about anything except, you know, building their brand.
00:11:49.000 We're not talking about those people.
00:11:51.000 We're talking about the good folks in the middle who maybe need a little push, need a little inspiration, need a little biblical explication of why it's necessary for the church to address these issues because you're not hearing a lot of that.
00:12:07.000 Another book just came out from some pastor in Tennessee, basically saying division is bad and we hate division.
00:12:14.000 And I think to myself, listen, when chattel slavery was on the ballot, There were people who said, oh, that's not a gospel issue.
00:12:22.000 We don't want to, we just care about evangelism.
00:12:25.000 What about the black people who were enslaved?
00:12:28.000 Did you think about them? 0.82
00:12:30.000 How is that not a moral issue?
00:12:32.000 But there were people in that day.
00:12:33.000 I just read a whole book about Lincoln and this whole issue.
00:12:37.000 They would say, well, we just, that's not theological.
00:12:41.000 We just want to stick to theology. 0.72
00:12:43.000 That is nonsense. 0.96
00:12:44.000 That is the devil.
00:12:45.000 John C. Calhoun, who is a Southern Democrat, actually wrote extensively of a biblical case for slavery.
00:12:54.000 Well, that's a whole other thing.
00:12:56.000 All I'm saying is that most people who knew that it was morally wrong nonetheless felt like it's out of bounds.
00:13:04.000 I mean, look, you could talk about this on almost any issue, but the point is what they're doing to young people right now in our public schools, confusing them about sexuality, about that is satanic.
00:13:17.000 It is horrifying.
00:13:19.000 If the church isn't the loudest voice against this, do we think the Lord will not hold us responsible?
00:13:24.000 We're supposed to know that he defeated death on the cross.
00:13:28.000 His word says there's male and female. 1.00
00:13:30.000 But Christians have adopted the spirit of timidity. 1.00
00:13:33.000 A lot of times we say being nice. 1.00
00:13:36.000 And Bonhoeffer was angry about this.
00:13:38.000 And Bonhoeffer says, and I'm sure I say it in my book, he says, this is theological fussiness.
00:13:45.000 It's just fear.
00:13:47.000 It's fear.
00:13:48.000 Let's call it what it is.
00:13:49.000 It's fear.
00:13:50.000 And you're hiding behind some theological pseudo-doctrines and saying that that's not, it's not a gospel-related issue.
00:13:56.000 And I've good friends who are Democrats.
00:13:58.000 Why do we have to go there?
00:14:00.000 Why can't we call out evil evil?
00:14:02.000 Where there's corruption in government?
00:14:04.000 I don't care if it's Hunter Biden and Joe Biden or someone else.
00:14:07.000 The point is we are supposed to call out corruption.
00:14:10.000 We're supposed to call out when the news media doesn't do its job and report on the facts.
00:14:15.000 We're supposed to be doing that.
00:14:16.000 And a lot of people in the church have acted like, well, I don't want to take political sides.
00:14:20.000 And I'm thinking, sorry, you have taken a side.
00:14:23.000 Evil is happening.
00:14:24.000 It is coming.
00:14:25.000 It is here.
00:14:27.000 And if you are not a voice of clarity in the midst of it, you have abdicated your role.
00:14:32.000 That's the role of the church.
00:14:33.000 And you're right.
00:14:34.000 We're going to be talking about this in Nashville at the pastors summit.
00:14:38.000 I'm excited, Charlie, that you're taking this on because this is a lie that we are supposed to not be political.
00:14:45.000 It is utterly preposterous.
00:14:48.000 I mean, imagine if Stalin or Hitler were running for office and somebody said, well, you can't say anything about that from the pulpit. 0.95
00:14:55.000 Well, they did. 0.98
00:14:55.000 You might lose your Bible C3 status. 0.98
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00:15:03.000 Stay safe, Eric.
00:15:05.000 So, but they did say that.
00:15:08.000 The most quoted verse in Nazi Germany was Romans 13.
00:15:11.000 Time and time and time again.
00:15:13.000 And so doesn't this then get to then a pattern?
00:15:17.000 And pattern recognition is important.
00:15:18.000 And you've done a beautiful job of this, right, Eric?
00:15:20.000 You recognize a pattern and we want to try to stop the pattern.
00:15:23.000 Just because you are a pastor, just because you're filled with the spirit, doesn't mean you act with courage against evil.
00:15:29.000 That's not an automatic.
00:15:30.000 That's what we've learned, isn't it?
00:15:32.000 Well, yes.
00:15:34.000 But to be clear, in Germany in the 30s, Hitler was not Hitler.
00:15:39.000 In other words, most people were fooled.
00:15:42.000 They didn't know that the Hitler of 33 or 34 or 35 would become a synonym for evil. 0.82
00:15:49.000 They were fooling themselves into thinking it's not that bad.
00:15:52.000 But what I'm saying is that today, if the person we know who was Adolf Hitler, this evil guy is running for office, there are still pastors who would say, well, I'm not supposed to be political, even though I know that he's really evil.
00:16:08.000 Politics, it's kind of like, you know, they're hiding behind a shield and I can't shoot at them because I'm just a pastor.
00:16:15.000 And I think that's not been the role of the church through the millennia, through the centuries.
00:16:21.000 We are to be involved in everything.
00:16:24.000 And this American Churchianity lie that we're supposed to play church.
00:16:29.000 We're supposed to have these intellectual beliefs that don't affect my life, that don't make me want to protect my family, that don't make me want to protect my community from wickedness and lunacy.
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00:17:53.000 Eric, let's just kind of summarize this and then we'll get to another topic here.
00:17:58.000 Do you feel as if the church is getting more courageous or less courageous over the last year, year and a half?
00:18:04.000 Well, Romans 8:28, all things work together for good for those that love the Lord and call according to his purposes.
00:18:10.000 What does it mean?
00:18:10.000 It means that as things get more and more and more obviously horrible and openly satanic, the good news is that's what it takes to wake up some people who otherwise would continue to sleep forever and have been asleep forever.
00:18:23.000 When you see things getting this bad, fill in the dots.
00:18:27.000 I mean, fill in the blanks.
00:18:28.000 You know what those things are.
00:18:29.000 Everywhere we look, it's disaster.
00:18:32.000 It is open evil.
00:18:33.000 That is finally waking some people up.
00:18:36.000 And the reason I keep saying that I wrote the book Letter to the American Church is to reason with the person who isn't already there, to say, like, what do you say to this?
00:18:47.000 Most people who read the book, they get convicted.
00:18:49.000 They realize, you know what?
00:18:50.000 I just hadn't heard this.
00:18:52.000 I live in an America where we don't mix faith in politics and I didn't understand.
00:18:56.000 I had this like, you know, preposterous inoculation against the idea of it.
00:19:01.000 And I avoid people like Charlie Gurk and Eric.
00:19:03.000 I've avoided you because you've gotten too political.
00:19:06.000 They're completely theologically wrong.
00:19:08.000 If you can persuade them, wait a minute, can you take another look at this?
00:19:12.000 Often they're convicted and then they say, what can I do?
00:19:14.000 And the first thing I say is either give the book to your pastor and say, I want to talk to you about this in two weeks.
00:19:21.000 And if they are not interested in it, for the love of God, find another church.
00:19:26.000 Do not continue going to and giving to a church that is looking the other way because you are being complicit in evil. 0.97
00:19:35.000 Globalist, atheist monsters are aggressively trying to take over this nation and the world. 0.64
00:19:41.000 And if you look the other way, if you do nothing, all those who suffer are suffering because of your inaction and your silence. 0.98
00:19:48.000 The church has to understand we have unique responsibility and calling from God.
00:19:52.000 It ought to be a privilege for us to do something about it.
00:19:56.000 If you're going to a church that doesn't get that, get out of that church.
00:19:59.000 Please get out of that church.
00:20:01.000 Eric, just one more thought on this or question.
00:20:03.000 Do they talk to you?
00:20:04.000 Do they pass?
00:20:05.000 I mean, because you've been around Christianity for a while and you wrote the Bonhoeffer book, which is translated into like 100 languages or something.
00:20:11.000 And so I imagine you were invited to speak at so many churches that now really won't talk to you.
00:20:16.000 Do you still talk to them?
00:20:17.000 I mean, my biggest complaint is that I can't find woke pastors or woke Christians to dialogue with me.
00:20:25.000 Well, you're the great guy that God made you to dialogue with people like that.
00:20:28.000 He didn't make me to dialogue with people like that.
00:20:30.000 I kind of can't bear those conversations.
00:20:32.000 I really can't.
00:20:34.000 I can't bear those conversations.
00:20:35.000 I want to have them.
00:20:36.000 I want to try to really challenge them lovingly.
00:20:40.000 Honestly, sometimes, again, Charlie, this is not to push the book, but sometimes I think in the privacy of reading, somebody can save face.
00:20:49.000 When it's a debate or a dialogue, people are just going to, you know, they're going to argue and they want to win and they don't want to be humiliated.
00:20:54.000 But in the privacy of reading, sometimes God can get a hold of you and speak to you.
00:20:59.000 So you go, you know what?
00:21:00.000 I got to think about this.
00:21:02.000 You have the room, in a sense, to kind of move the needle a little bit.
00:21:07.000 And that's what I hope is happening.
00:21:09.000 People keep saying to me, I've bought 10 copies of this book and I've given it to every pastor in my area.
00:21:14.000 And I think to myself, if two of those pastors are moved and understand that they have been silent in the face of evil, that's all we need.
00:21:23.000 We don't need everybody to get it.
00:21:25.000 But I guess the answer to your question is yes.
00:21:27.000 I see people waking up.
00:21:29.000 And I also see non-Christians being attracted to churches where they're talking about this.
00:21:35.000 So that's the irony is that evangelism increases when you talk about the hot button divisive topic.
00:21:41.000 And it really is time then you said it, Eric, to just leave these churches if they're not in alignment.
00:21:45.000 Is it time to just walk away?
00:21:47.000 Yeah, run.
00:21:48.000 Well, and also you're giving your money to what?
00:21:50.000 To the devil?
00:21:51.000 You're giving, I mean, do you not understand that God is going to hold you accountable for supporting something that should not be supported?
00:22:00.000 This is like going to a church that is turning a blind eye to the rise of Hitler.
00:22:06.000 Will God hold you responsible? 0.68
00:22:08.000 Yes, he will, of course, he'll hold you responsible for that.
00:22:10.000 You know, he's looking to you to do the right thing.
00:22:14.000 Complicit churches are in league.
00:22:16.000 They're really unwittingly with the rise of evil.
00:22:19.000 They really are.
00:22:20.000 And hopefully we could fix that next week.
00:22:22.000 I do know for certain, though, Eric, I am told that there are some people coming to our summit, more than a couple, that are not yet bought in, that have yet to speak out from the pulpits, but they're curious.
00:22:32.000 So let's try to win them over, Eric, next week in Nashville.
00:22:36.000 TPFest.com.
00:22:38.000 All right, Eric.
00:22:38.000 I want to play a piece of tape here on New York City, which you should run for mayor, Eric.
00:22:43.000 That would be great.
00:22:45.000 Let's play Cut 28.
00:22:48.000 Law of Sanctuary City was in place long before I became mayor.
00:22:53.000 I'm following the law.
00:22:54.000 As a law enforcement person, you know, we follow the law.
00:22:57.000 We're now in court now, today, asking the judge to revisit this law to deal with this humanitarian crisis.
00:23:05.000 Because even when they decided to put in place that law, no one thought that they would be dealing with a humanitarian crisis of disproportion.
00:23:13.000 So, Eric, you know, this is interesting.
00:23:16.000 There's a lot of news happening in New York, but what's your take as a New Yorker about the flow of the illegals just coming endlessly into New York?
00:23:25.000 I laugh.
00:23:26.000 What is there to say?
00:23:27.000 It's all preposterous.
00:23:29.000 It's all absolutely preposterous.
00:23:31.000 The flow of illegals into this nation, the fact that we don't have the political will to stand up against this lawlessness, to stand against an attack on our sovereignty as Americans, the fact that we have innumerable anti-American people embedded everywhere throughout our government.
00:23:50.000 So, you know, by the time they get to New York, I just laugh.
00:23:54.000 It's like, are you kidding me?
00:23:56.000 Now you're complaining now because you don't want to deal with them.
00:23:59.000 Well, you know, why don't you move to Arizona?
00:24:02.000 I don't really understand what the issue is.
00:24:04.000 You got plenty of issues here.
00:24:06.000 So, yeah. 0.98
00:24:07.000 No, but it's ridiculous. 0.98
00:24:09.000 Of course, it's ridiculous. 0.98
00:24:10.000 There's lawlessness.
00:24:11.000 All of this is fixable, Charlie. 0.88
00:24:13.000 You know, to have a city like San Francisco or Portland or whatever, to have these places go to hell.
00:24:19.000 It is all fixable.
00:24:21.000 I'm old enough to remember New York before Giuliani, okay?
00:24:25.000 It was kind of like that, right?
00:24:27.000 Giuliani comes in, institutes common sense policies, okay?
00:24:31.000 That you don't need to be like a conservative to understand like feces on the streets and like threatening insane people, homeless people wandering around.
00:24:41.000 And that's not good for business.
00:24:44.000 Giuliani came in and astonishingly changed New York City.
00:24:50.000 All of these things are fixable if you have the will to fix it.
00:24:54.000 And of course, the churches should be at the forefront of this too.
00:24:57.000 Well, they're not.
00:24:58.000 And in Chicago, they just have sworn in Brandon Johnson, a Marxist, as mayor of Chicago.
00:25:05.000 So, Eric, here's, you know, some people ask, and, you know, here's an email: Charlie, my pastor preached this weekend that we should not have borders, that Jesus is a refugee and we should let everyone into the country.
00:25:17.000 Eric, how would you respond to that?
00:25:21.000 I can't do like a loud horse laugh, but if I could, that's the only braying horse laugh. 0.99
00:25:28.000 There are people in pulpits that are so ignorant, theologically and historically ignorant, that they say things like that. 0.99
00:25:36.000 I don't know what they're looking for. 0.99
00:25:38.000 They want people to like them.
00:25:40.000 Jesus was a refugee.
00:25:41.000 What does that mean?
00:25:43.000 People say he was a refugee.
00:25:46.000 These things are meaningless political statements.
00:25:49.000 And of course, they're political statements.
00:25:51.000 We are to, you know, when it says to love the stranger, yes, you're to love the stranger, but you're not supposed to have government policies that erase borders.
00:26:01.000 That is just lunacy.
00:26:02.000 It's kind of like when Pope John Paul II was almost assassinated, he was shot, right?
00:26:09.000 He went and prayed with the man who did that, but they didn't let the guy out of jail so he could murder other people.
00:26:16.000 You have to have government policies.
00:26:17.000 The government has a role.
00:26:18.000 God has given it the role to wield the sword, to protect the innocent. 0.91
00:26:23.000 That is not the same thing as how I, as a Christian, should deal with the beggar on the street. 0.68
00:26:29.000 The fact that there are pastors and many Christians who are not pastors who don't understand these distinctions is about the breakdown of civics, teaching civics and understanding basic things. 0.98
00:26:42.000 People used to understand these things.
00:26:44.000 You didn't have to used to explain these things.
00:26:47.000 But when you have pastors like that trying to sound woke, trying to sound compassionate, they are deeply confused.
00:26:55.000 And again, if you go to a church like that, for the love of Pete, get the heck out yesterday.
00:27:01.000 There are a lot of pastors that are saying that.
00:27:06.000 And by the way, every time I post about illegals, people say, oh, and you call yourself a Christian.
00:27:11.000 You know, borders actually were a biblical concept.
00:27:14.000 The idea of distinctions, limitations on governing authorities, that nations shall be blessed.
00:27:20.000 By the way, Jesus was not a refugee when he went from his birthplace at Bethlehem to Egypt.
00:27:27.000 They say, oh, he was a refugee.
00:27:28.000 No, that's all within the Holy, not the Holy Roman Empire, the Roman control of the time.
00:27:33.000 It's not a refugee.
00:27:35.000 And so, but, but, Eric, they say this over and over again to try to, you know, let's just say push forward some sort of liberal or left-wing worldview.
00:27:44.000 Your thought one minute remains. 0.96
00:27:45.000 Again, the point is, Charlie, God made you to argue with these lunatics. 0.85
00:27:49.000 I have to walk away because most Americans know these things.
00:27:54.000 You don't need biblical exegesis or Charlie or Eric to explain it to you.
00:27:58.000 Most Americans know borders.
00:28:00.000 That's normal.
00:28:01.000 It's like having a wall and a door.
00:28:04.000 And these are the most basic things.
00:28:06.000 Most Americans know this.
00:28:07.000 It is only out of touch elites, usually globalist, lunatic, atheist elites that spout this kind of thing. 0.56
00:28:15.000 And of course, it's made its way into the church. 0.82
00:28:17.000 So you have theoretically Christians spouting leftist talking points. 0.99
00:28:22.000 I cannot take it seriously. 0.94
00:28:23.000 I refuse to take it seriously because most people trying to survive, they don't take this seriously.
00:28:28.000 They don't live their lives that way.
00:28:30.000 We need to talk to those people.
00:28:31.000 They already get this stuff.
00:28:35.000 So Eric Russell Moore has come out and he said he's going to be Never Trump.
00:28:39.000 Eric, I don't know.
00:28:40.000 Where are you standing on the 2024 race?
00:28:43.000 1,000% Donald Trump, period.
00:28:47.000 End of conversation. 0.95
00:28:48.000 It gets ridiculous.
00:28:49.000 There are many wonderful people, but I think the only person who has the ability at this point, not just to win, but to do what needs to be done, is Donald Trump.
00:29:01.000 I think that, again, a lot of people play patty cake with evil, even good guys, even conservative guys, they don't understand that we're in a war and the people, it's like dealing with the cartels.
00:29:12.000 Like, you know, they'll cut your fingers off.
00:29:14.000 These are not nice people.
00:29:16.000 We're dealing with people in this political battle in America where you need somebody who understands the stakes, someone who has himself been so unbelievably viciously, unprecedentedly attacked that he understands what we're dealing with.
00:29:32.000 And I think Trump will prevail.
00:29:36.000 And I'm glad that I'm glad I think the CNN Town Hall was one of the funniest things I've ever seen in my life.
00:29:43.000 The whole idea that they bring him in, they think it's going to be a big win-win for us.
00:29:48.000 Disaster.
00:29:49.000 They're like practically weeping the next day, even that evening over giving him a voice.
00:29:54.000 You know, this like this, this Hitlerian figure that they brought him onto the network.
00:29:58.000 We're, you know, we're really sorry. 0.84
00:30:00.000 It was just, I'm also hopeful for the country, Charlie, because I think, again, many Americans are waking up to the evil we're dealing with.
00:30:10.000 What we're dealing with, you know, it's not 2004.
00:30:14.000 It's not 1985.
00:30:16.000 We have allowed something horrible to grow unchecked over the decades.
00:30:22.000 And now we're seeing the fruit.
00:30:24.000 And by the way, it will get much worse.
00:30:26.000 It's God's mercy to us to see the evil now so that we will wake up, but it will get much, much worse if we don't fight against it.
00:30:36.000 And I simply think that Trump is the man who has the ability to do that.
00:30:43.000 I wish many of the others well, obviously, but I don't think that they're the people for such a time as this in the way that I think the Trump is.
00:30:55.000 And so I think Trump's in a really good spot.
00:30:58.000 DeSantis is probably going to announce any week.
00:31:01.000 Now, I'm sure you have a lot of friends that are behind DeSantis.
00:31:04.000 I think the sooner we wrap up this primary, the better.
00:31:08.000 I wish I could, I don't know DeSantis.
00:31:10.000 I wish I could get him alone in a room and say to him, please, for your sake and the nation, go to Donald Trump and say to him, what can I do to help you, sir?
00:31:22.000 I think that would be the best thing for America.
00:31:26.000 I really do think that he'll get his chance.
00:31:30.000 But I think that people often kind of quail and quiver that they think, oh, all these bad things are happening.
00:31:37.000 Trump's not electable.
00:31:38.000 That's the whole point of all of these preposterous political attacks is to make him seem unelectable to people who are kind of like trying to read the tea leaves.
00:31:47.000 I was told by friends in 2016, Eric, Eric, please stop.
00:31:54.000 defending Trump.
00:31:56.000 He's going to lose. 0.97
00:31:57.000 Hillary is going to win.
00:31:59.000 Eric, you need to understand that.
00:32:01.000 And you and all the evangelicals you associate yourself with, they're going to be in trouble when Hillary is elected.
00:32:08.000 You better like bring it down now.
00:32:10.000 And I thought to myself, you know, even if that were true, that wouldn't be the moral thing to do.
00:32:15.000 We're supposed to stand up for what is right and true.
00:32:17.000 And I just think that those voices are always out there trying to kind of pick people off.
00:32:23.000 But I just, you know, I feel like God's hand is still on this country.
00:32:29.000 And I think that he wants to help us to become the nation that it's his will for us to become.
00:32:37.000 But as we keep saying, the number one issue here is the church.
00:32:42.000 Will the church wake up and back whatever candidate?
00:32:49.000 I believe it's going to be Trump.
00:32:50.000 But I mean, it just cracks me up that there's so many people that they kind of don't care if the country goes down in flames or they pretend like it just won't go down in flames.
00:33:00.000 We can just look away and whoever gets elected is elected.
00:33:04.000 I wish that were true.
00:33:05.000 I really do, but that's not true.
00:33:08.000 Eric Metaxas, see you next week at our pastor summit.
00:33:11.000 I pray it makes a difference.
00:33:12.000 Thanks so much.
00:33:13.000 Thank you.
00:33:16.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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00:33:21.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.
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