The Charlie Kirk Show - Relationships, Marriage and the Transition into Manhood with Pastor Rob McCoy

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00:06:32.000 Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:06:34.000 I am joined by my pastor and America's pastor, Rob McCoy.

00:06:37.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:06:39.000 Quite a moniker.

00:06:39.000 So, Rob, we talk a lot about politics on the show.

00:06:42.000 I actually want to talk about something a little bit different.

00:06:44.000 I get so many emails from young people that are struggling with mental health, with relationships, substance abuse.

00:06:51.000 What we have done to young people in this country by shutting down their country.

00:06:54.000 There were problems that predated the lockdowns, but it only accelerated all of these disturbing trends.

00:06:59.000 Can you just comment on this?

00:07:00.000 Because, you know, the media calls, the media labels you as a political pastor, but you're also mentoring and shepherding and healing people that are also dealing with real-life issues as well.

00:07:09.000 The reason why we're pushing to stay open as a church is for that exact reason.

00:07:13.000 People think it's religious liberty.

00:07:14.000 Now, granted, that is a portion of it, but the greatest reason is we love our neighbor.

00:07:18.000 We're concerned about the youth in our community that have not been able to graduate or experience a graduation prom.

00:07:25.000 They're dealing with substance abuse issues.

00:07:27.000 You know, cannabis distributors are open, liquor stores, abortion factories, and this generation of young people has just received the brunt of this misery of these draconian measures.

00:07:38.000 And yeah, this is why we're pushing.

00:07:40.000 So some young people, and I think that there's a mental health crisis in our country.

00:07:44.000 And for any young person watching this, you're a lot tougher than you might think.

00:07:48.000 There's someone that needs you out there, and we'll talk about what that all means.

00:07:52.000 And I don't get into the self-esteem movement.

00:07:54.000 I think it's all nonsense.

00:07:55.000 Instead, I think that once you have self-control, then you can find self-worth.

00:07:58.000 It's a very, it's a biblical principle, but not talked about enough.

00:08:02.000 Rob, can you just talk about some of the crisis you're seeing with young people in relationships and substance abuse, especially in an affluent area like Thousand Oaks?

00:08:09.000 Seems like it's almost worse.

00:08:11.000 Absolutely. 0.85

00:08:12.000 We've had two psychologists on our program, and both of them say their practices are exploding with young people.

00:08:18.000 The drug use is out of control.

00:08:20.000 We have a heroin epidemic in Ventura County.

00:08:24.000 And interesting, you know, my son's 18.

00:08:26.000 He missed his graduation.

00:08:27.000 He missed his prom.

00:08:28.000 And when he was 13 years old, I took him on a walkabout, you know, boy to man.

00:08:32.000 It's almost like a bar mitzvah.

00:08:33.000 So cool.

00:08:34.000 Tell me about it.

00:08:35.000 Well, it's kind of like a bar mitzvah, where you go, you're a son of the law, where you go from being a child to being a man, and now you're responsible to the law.

00:08:44.000 And I took him to a cemetery, and I said, you know, every great journey begins with the end in mind.

00:08:49.000 I had him observe the tombstone, see what was written on it.

00:08:52.000 What do you live for?

00:08:53.000 What's the meaning of life?

00:08:54.000 We had a long conversation there as a flowers of the field are there one day and gone the next.

00:09:00.000 You know, that's not many people visit a cemetery.

00:09:03.000 And the idea is if you want your life to be remembered, it's what you leave behind.

00:09:09.000 And so he got that.

00:09:10.000 And then, you know, we went to where the babies are born, saw the new life, talked about the responsibility of a man is that you're a provider and a protector.

00:09:17.000 And I watched him at age 13, both my sons, there was a distinct change in them to receive responsibility at that age.

00:09:23.000 So, and then I'm watching my 18-year-old go through this misery.

00:09:27.000 And one of the things that I did, and it was actually you who inspired it, because I've always liked Jordan Peterson, but you were the one who turned me on to him.

00:09:33.000 I took my son through Jordan Peterson's book, Rules on Living.

00:09:36.000 Yeah, 12 Rules for Life.

00:09:36.000 12 Rules for Life.

00:09:38.000 And we went through that every morning.

00:09:40.000 Now, granted, it's a little bit difficult to read, but we had some fun with the scriptures.

00:09:46.000 The rules are easy to understand.

00:09:47.000 That's when it starts to get, that's when the easy stuff stops.

00:09:47.000 They are.

00:09:50.000 Right.

00:09:51.000 It gets very heady very quickly.

00:09:53.000 It does.

00:09:54.000 And, but we had the ability to distill it down to you know, memorable quotes that both of us glean from.

00:10:00.000 For example, sit up straight with your shoulders back, stand fast and steadfast in the Lord.

00:10:04.000 Yeah, that sort of paraphrasing the verse, right?

00:10:07.000 I mean, yeah, and you're going through the whole thing on crustaceans with lobsters and you know, I mean, serotonin levels.

00:10:12.000 Serotonin levels.

00:10:13.000 I mean, but you, you, you, you break it down, and he really got it.

00:10:16.000 And so did I.

00:10:17.000 I was really blessed by it.

00:10:18.000 And I wanted, you know, I know you're asking me questions, but I would, I was so blessed by what you shared with me that you gleaned from Jordan.

00:10:25.000 I want to talk on that.

00:10:27.000 And then there's an angle, too, that I think young people are struggling with, and that's relationally because the victimization culture that we've created has left an entire generation, especially for males.

00:10:38.000 How do you hyperfeminization of our country?

00:10:40.000 Hyper-feminization.

00:10:41.000 How do you engage?

00:10:43.000 And people are longing for intimacy.

00:10:45.000 And what does that mean nowadays for this entire young generation?

00:10:50.000 And what are the rules for living?

00:10:51.000 And maybe we can touch on that.

00:10:53.000 I want to get, I mean, you're the expert on that, but if I could comment on the Jordan thing first, please.

00:10:58.000 Jordan Peterson has done more to defend and advance the gospel of Jesus Christ than most Christian pastors ever will.

00:11:03.000 Never forget, there's a three-part series of Jordan Peterson in front of tens of thousands of people, thousands of people, millions of live stream viewers.

00:11:09.000 I mean, 23 million YouTube views, which is unbelievably hard to get in each video.

00:11:13.000 Him versus Sam Harris, a devout atheist, where Jordan Peterson, despite the mockery and the persecution of the atheist chattering class when they're going after the Bible, he doesn't not just give it an inch.

00:11:23.000 He defends and he says, you don't understand.

00:11:25.000 There's no other document like this ever created.

00:11:27.000 He says, I can't even quite explain the psychological and there's something, the psychological truth and the harmony of the book where, yes, you can read it sequentially, but the entire book harmonizes with itself the more you read.

00:11:39.000 From beginning to end.

00:11:39.000 And so here's a guy that, again, comes from the academy.

00:11:42.000 He's a social psychologist.

00:11:44.000 A clinical psychologist who's contending for the greatest book ever and for truth and can articulate Christianity better than most pastors I've ever found.

00:11:51.000 And I could tell you, Rob, Jordan Peterson did not bring me to Christ.

00:11:55.000 He didn't.

00:11:56.000 Pastor did that.

00:11:56.000 Actually, a Bible teacher did that in fifth grade.

00:11:58.000 Jordan Peterson set me more on fire for the gospel of Jesus Christ than most any Christian pastor ever would.

00:12:03.000 You might say, How is that possible?

00:12:05.000 So he also goes through chapter by verse by verse, chapter by chapter, the whole Bible.

00:12:08.000 He does.

00:12:09.000 He actually reads, he doesn't skip verses.

00:12:11.000 He doesn't say this is inconvenient.

00:12:12.000 And he talks about what is the historical, psychological, sociological, and cultural impact of, for example, the Tower of Babel.

00:12:20.000 Don't try to build something on this earth too high because God's going to scatter it to chaos. 0.59

00:12:25.000 That's true governmentally.

00:12:26.000 That's true sociologically.

00:12:28.000 That's true individually.

00:12:29.000 And so he goes through the entire Bible.

00:12:31.000 And it's not just, he doesn't look like the Bible as an Aesop fable book.

00:12:34.000 That's not what he does.

00:12:35.000 Because that's the criticism of him.

00:12:37.000 It's deeper than that.

00:12:38.000 He says Matthew 5 is the most important dialogue in human history.

00:12:42.000 He makes the argument, he does, that Matthew 5 changed the course of human history.

00:12:47.000 And he says, even an atheist that doesn't understand Matthew 5 is anti-history.

00:12:53.000 Amen.

00:12:54.000 The book that you turned me on to is just riddled with biblical wisdom, right?

00:12:59.000 With biblical wisdom, quoting complete chapters of the Bible.

00:13:04.000 Uninterrupted.

00:13:05.000 Yeah.

00:13:05.000 Not cherry picking.

00:13:06.000 Not prosperity gospel stuff.

00:13:07.000 It's, you know, we talk about OIA, observation, interpretation, application.

00:13:12.000 So when you're teaching, you're observing the text, you're interpreting the text, the original meaning, et cetera, breaking down the nuances of the words in the Greek and the Hebrew.

00:13:20.000 But the application is where Jordan Peterson just kind of, I don't think, gets it as well.

00:13:28.000 They don't understand the public square.

00:13:29.000 They don't understand, you know, and the vast array of education that Jordan Peterson has to be able to bring that into the application of the text is pretty fascinating.

00:13:37.000 Well, and also how he doesn't give an inch.

00:13:38.000 What I love is that he has given multiple opportunities by the atheists just to hedge a little bit. 0.77

00:13:43.000 Maybe the Bible is just a good document, the best. 0.79

00:13:46.000 He defends it with more veracity and more personal connection to the text than any person I have ever seen, minus really good Bible-believing teachers like yourself and Jack Hibbs.

00:13:56.000 I mean, it's the 1% of the 1% of pastors, in my opinion, that I have seen, that I've experienced.

00:14:01.000 And what's really interesting, though, is that Jordan, and I've seen this, thousands of people, hundreds of thousands of people, he brought more people to Christ because there were people that were raised in a church, got disaffected by the church.

00:14:13.000 They were raised in observational and interpretive churches, but with no application at all whatsoever.

00:14:18.000 He has 12 rules for life, 12 being a biblical number, 12 disciples, 12 tribes of Israel.

00:14:18.000 And here he is.

00:14:23.000 And he doesn't pick that number out of thin air.

00:14:24.000 He explains why he chose that number.

00:14:26.000 He says that number harmonizes with what a human being can remember, interpret, and actually apply to their life.

00:14:31.000 He has a whole thing on why he chose 12, not 13, not 11, not 14, not 10, not 8.

00:14:35.000 Anyway.

00:14:36.000 But then he goes, here are the 12 rules that if you follow these rules, your life is going to be a little less awful and a little more meaningful.

00:14:44.000 So he actually comes from this thing that we live in original.

00:14:46.000 He comes from this belief that we live in original sin.

00:14:49.000 And his whole platform is people are living in a state of chaos.

00:14:54.000 And that's the whole, it's 12 rules for life, an antidote to chaos.

00:14:57.000 That if you live in a state of chaos, you're going to be miserable.

00:15:00.000 So many young people do.

00:15:02.000 You took those 12 rules for living, and I watched you masterfully use it.

00:15:05.000 I don't know if you remember this.

00:15:06.000 We were at Calvary Chapel Church.

00:15:08.000 I think that was the second visit we made with the great Jack Hibbs.

00:15:11.000 And we're taking questions from the audience, and a young man comes up who is borderline suicidal.

00:15:19.000 And he asks a poignant question, and it's almost like you could hear a groan in the audience because it reflected many of the children that were represented in the families.

00:15:29.000 And you went through for him, you gave him such great advice.

00:15:32.000 And Jack went on later, Pastor Jack went on later to talk about how that deeply affected that young man.

00:15:37.000 Will you share with everybody?

00:15:38.000 Because that was profound.

00:15:40.000 Yeah, the spirit of his question was, Charlie, is it really worth continuing?

00:15:43.000 Because all the things are rigged against us conservatives and Christians.

00:15:46.000 Hollywood and media, the immigration system, tech companies.

00:15:49.000 He just goes on and on and on.

00:15:51.000 And I said, I completely agree those things. 0.55

00:15:53.000 And he's a white male.

00:15:54.000 He's a white male, and people are accusing you, all these sorts of things, right?

00:15:58.000 And he says, what's the point?

00:15:59.000 Almost, then what ends up happening is he's starting to just start to wonder if there's a nihilistic path for him.

00:16:08.000 Yeah, what's the point?

00:16:08.000 We're polishing brass on the titanium.

00:16:09.000 Precisely.

00:16:10.000 And it's even just, we're all just cells.

00:16:13.000 Might as well end it now.

00:16:14.000 And that's what a lot of young white men are doing right now, by the way.

00:16:17.000 Especially in the church.

00:16:18.000 In the church, a lot.

00:16:19.000 And the church has, in my opinion, not had a good answer to this.

00:16:23.000 But using Jordan Peterson's 12 Rules for Life and the Bible, I basically said, all those things are true.

00:16:29.000 None of those are reasons not to live a meaningful life.

00:16:31.000 And I asked him, I said, do you have responsibility in your life?

00:16:35.000 And he says, I don't know.

00:16:36.000 I said, here's the test of responsibility.

00:16:39.000 If you don't show up somewhere tomorrow, does someone have a harder day?

00:16:43.000 If the answer is yes, then you're responsible for something or someone.

00:16:46.000 It's called being a man.

00:16:47.000 Provider and protector.

00:16:48.000 You know what the problem with masculinity in our country? 0.99

00:16:50.000 There's nothing to provide and there's nothing to protect to.

00:16:52.000 For men.

00:16:54.000 What ends up happening is they say any sort of your instinct to defend the innocent as a man is wrong.

00:16:59.000 That's toxic masculinity when we're actually called to do as men to do this, to provide.

00:17:05.000 No, no, no.

00:17:06.000 Women can and should provide at the very same equal levels as men.

00:17:09.000 Now, I'm not against, I think it's reprehensible and immoral and evil and wrong to say that men and women should earn the same, should earn differently for the same work.

00:17:16.000 I think that is wrong. 0.99

00:17:17.000 I agree.

00:17:18.000 However, I actually don't, I think it's really bad, Rob, and this is an economic thing that actually impacts cultural and spirituality.

00:17:23.000 And the American church has failed this.

00:17:25.000 Donald Trump has actually addressed this, that in order for a middle-class family of $80,000 a year to stay afloat and not go into debt and raise a family of four, they have to work 53 weeks a year.

00:17:35.000 What does that mean?

00:17:36.000 Two people have to go to work.

00:17:37.000 Bingo. 0.66

00:17:38.000 All of a sudden, that's the destruction of the American family right there. 0.67

00:17:40.000 Now, it should be where it was in the 1985, 33 weeks a year.

00:17:44.000 So they could take a ton of time off. 0.92

00:17:46.000 And if the male worked 40 weeks a year, their earnings would go up and they'd be able to save some money.

00:17:52.000 Michelle and I have been married 30 years.

00:17:53.000 We've got five kids, four homegrown, one grafted.

00:17:56.000 Natasha, we adopted when she was 12 from Russia.

00:17:59.000 So we've got three daughters, two boys.

00:18:02.000 And she's been a stay-at-home mom for all 30 years of marriage.

00:18:07.000 And that's a choice that we made together that she wanted to do.

00:18:11.000 Now, that meant we lived in some pretty dicey places.

00:18:14.000 And he did that on a pastor's salary.

00:18:17.000 But it was critical to us that there would always be somebody home.

00:18:20.000 And it's worked.

00:18:22.000 All of our kids are flourishing.

00:18:24.000 Yeah, they're doing well.

00:18:24.000 They're doing well.

00:18:25.000 I know all four.

00:18:26.000 I've never met.

00:18:26.000 I don't know if I've met Natasha or not.

00:18:27.000 Well, she's at Liberty right now.

00:18:28.000 She's doing great.

00:18:29.000 But I've met all four.

00:18:31.000 I've met Molly, Kelly.

00:18:32.000 I've met Kelly, Mikey, and of course Daniel, and they're all superstars.

00:18:35.000 Well, thanks.

00:18:37.000 Take care of the mother.

00:18:38.000 But I can speak.

00:18:39.000 I could reaffirm.

00:18:40.000 Yeah.

00:18:41.000 And that was.

00:18:41.000 Yeah.

00:18:42.000 And I'm not trying to say that when two parents work, I'm going to be very clear that it's necessarily going to be a bad thing for the kid.

00:18:47.000 I'm not.

00:18:48.000 I'm just talking statistics.

00:18:49.000 The statistics are if both parents go into the workforce, and if that kid gets home at 3 o'clock when he's 15 years old, he is far more likely to do things he should not be doing in substance abuse and otherwise.

00:19:00.000 It's just the statistics.

00:19:01.000 If there's not a human being waiting for that 15-year-old when he gets home at 3 p.m. from school, everything drops off the ledge.

00:19:07.000 It's just the way it is.

00:19:08.000 And some parents might really contest with this.

00:19:09.000 They might say, Charlie, you're totally wrong.

00:19:11.000 You know what?

00:19:12.000 If you have it worked out, God bless you.

00:19:14.000 I'm just talking about what social psychologists and what the macro data shows.

00:19:17.000 That when both your parents go in the workforce, especially during those formative years of 12, 13, 14, 15, where there is just an incoming of temptation for young people, especially in the modern era, then there's not that check.

00:19:30.000 There's not that check and balance.

00:19:31.000 My father was a Navy captain, three tours of Vietnam, a lot of tours on duty, gone quite often.

00:19:38.000 My mother was always home.

00:19:41.000 The connection I had with the transition as we called into manhood happened in Boy Scouts.

00:19:46.000 Now, that's an institution that's been dismantled by the secular left, and it's had troubles clearly, and yet the entire thing has been pretty much, I don't know, dismantled.

00:20:00.000 It's still existing, but not where it was.

00:20:02.000 Yeah, Boy Scouts.

00:20:03.000 I'm an Eagle Scout.

00:20:05.000 It's a disaster.

00:20:06.000 But I had John Sanford, who, you know, he was our scout master.

00:20:10.000 And when my dad was gone, he was that guy.

00:20:12.000 And so the first thing I did when I became the pastor of church is set up a Boy Scout troop, Troop 7-Eleven.

00:20:18.000 And Scott Nave is a scout master, and he was instrumental in the formation of my boy's life.

00:20:23.000 And so, you know, you seek out those areas where you can have that transition into manhood.

00:20:30.000 But we're losing all those.

00:20:30.000 Yes.

00:20:32.000 Football's being taken away.

00:20:33.000 That's right.

00:20:34.000 Anything that's a transition into manhood, whether it's Boy Scouts, football, et cetera, they're deconstructing all of that.

00:20:40.000 Intentionally. 0.98

00:20:41.000 And for men, they need physiological encounters more so than women. 0.98

00:20:49.000 They need recess.

00:20:50.000 They need sports.

00:20:51.000 And they need outdoor activities in the woods, in the wilderness.

00:20:54.000 They need to wrestle.

00:20:55.000 They need to do these sorts of things. 0.87

00:20:56.000 Competition is critical.

00:20:58.000 And we have removed all of them.

00:20:59.000 And it's an incredible disaster.

00:20:59.000 All of it.

00:21:02.000 So, you know, young men message me a lot.

00:21:04.000 They're 16, 17, 18.

00:21:05.000 They say, Charlie, I have, you know, I'm struggling with problems with mental health and all these sorts of things.

00:21:10.000 And my message to them and to parents is, and I deal with a lot of these.

00:21:16.000 My message to the young man is different than the message to the young parent.

00:21:20.000 And I want to be clear: young women have many problems as well, but they're completely different.

00:21:24.000 They're about social acceptance.

00:21:26.000 They're about ridicule, about social media bullying, that sort of stuff.

00:21:30.000 Not that men don't experience that, but it's completely different problems.

00:21:33.000 And we need to differentiate those.

00:21:35.000 For young men, the biggest problem they have when they're 16 or 17 is they've not been challenged and they have not been put into a place where they're pushed into the unknown to find out who they really are and what they can do.

00:21:47.000 That's what the Boy Scouts used to do.

00:21:49.000 When I was a Boy Scout becoming an Eagle Scout, they put you in to get your wilderness survival merit badge, you had to go out into the woods and survive a night, start a fire, pitch a tent, make a meal.

00:21:58.000 Actually, you wouldn't even have a tent. 1.00

00:21:59.000 You'd have to build a woman. 1.00

00:22:00.000 No, that's correct. 1.00

00:22:01.000 To get the merit badge, you have to build it out of, you have to build a what's the right word?

00:22:06.000 A fort, a fortress, whatever.

00:22:08.000 But that's not an insignificant exercise.

00:22:10.000 There's a reason why so many U.S. presidents were Eagle Scouts and U.S. senators and astronauts.

00:22:16.000 And now the Boy Scouts is a complete and total moral failure for a lot of different reasons.

00:22:20.000 But so there's a crisis of masculinity.

00:22:23.000 But for young men listening out there, say, Charlie, how do I get my life together?

00:22:26.000 I've said this before.

00:22:27.000 And I got a beautiful note the other day where someone said, Charlie, this helped save my life.

00:22:27.000 I'm going to say it again.

00:22:30.000 So it's amazing.

00:22:31.000 And it's biblical.

00:22:33.000 I saw what you do with a young man.

00:22:35.000 Well, and again, it's not me.

00:22:36.000 I'm just a communicator.

00:22:37.000 I understand.

00:22:37.000 We're all just communicators of this ancient wisdom.

00:22:40.000 Where one beggar shown another beggar where the food is.

00:22:42.000 Amen.

00:22:42.000 And I just happened to be lucky enough to find it, and I want to share it, which is you take out a piece of paper.

00:22:48.000 If you're listening to this and you're like, man, I just, my life's screwed up right now.

00:22:51.000 I just feel bad.

00:22:52.000 I'm just not doing things right.

00:22:55.000 Here's one suggestion and one task.

00:22:58.000 The task first.

00:22:59.000 It's called maps for meaning.

00:23:01.000 And Jordan Peterson turned me onto this.

00:23:03.000 It's phenomenal.

00:23:03.000 You take a paper, front and back, and you write specifically where you want your life to be five years from now.

00:23:09.000 You want what you're driving, where you're living, what you're doing, how you feel, what you're seeing, what you're experiencing.

00:23:15.000 And then you have that kind of true north.

00:23:17.000 You have to understand that we as human beings are aiming preachers.

00:23:20.000 You know this.

00:23:22.000 You hit what you aim at.

00:23:23.000 For lack of a vision, the people perish.

00:23:25.000 Is that biblical?

00:23:26.000 There you go.

00:23:26.000 Yep.

00:23:27.000 And that's exactly right.

00:23:29.000 When there's no vision, you will be in a state of chaos.

00:23:31.000 And so you have to get your aim right.

00:23:33.000 You have to.

00:23:34.000 Most people, young people in particular, have no aim at all whatsoever with you because they've been told by people around them that it's a waste of time.

00:23:40.000 You'll never achieve it.

00:23:40.000 Or then told by the society at large that everything is broken.

00:23:44.000 What's the case?

00:23:44.000 And it's almost, again, it's this nihilism that has seeped into every facet.

00:23:48.000 Then here's a suggestion.

00:23:49.000 You can actually multiply your life by subtracting your life.

00:23:53.000 I got an amazing email on the podcast here, and you guys can always email me, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:23:57.000 I want to help anyone right now that's dealing with this.

00:23:59.000 I want to help you wrestle through this.

00:24:00.000 And anyone doubting that, I have watched.

00:24:02.000 You are amazing when it comes to email.

00:24:04.000 You respond to every email.

00:24:05.000 I'm looking going, Charlie, how do you do this?

00:24:07.000 Where do you find the time?

00:24:08.000 But you're very not every email, but every email I get on my podcast, I read, and most of which I respond to.

00:24:13.000 Yeah, and you've copied me on a couple that have pertained to me as well.

00:24:16.000 And I'm just, I'm amazed, Charlie.

00:24:20.000 One of the reasons.

00:24:21.000 Well, I don't know about that.

00:24:22.000 I do.

00:24:23.000 I'm going to make it more technical.

00:24:24.000 One of the reasons why this podcast has grown so amazingly is I have the combined wisdom of all my listeners.

00:24:30.000 Yeah.

00:24:31.000 Is that people are sending me ideas all the time.

00:24:32.000 Like, let's do a podcast on that.

00:24:34.000 Let's do a podcast on it.

00:24:35.000 And your guests.

00:24:35.000 This is a great idea.

00:24:36.000 And my guests.

00:24:37.000 So it's not me.

00:24:37.000 Yeah.

00:24:38.000 I just work here.

00:24:39.000 So, but you can multiply by subtraction.

00:24:42.000 So this young man emailed me and said, Charlie, you challenged me in one sentence that changed my last couple months.

00:24:46.000 You said, What if you went one month with no drinking, no drugs, no bad food?

00:24:50.000 You exercised every day.

00:24:52.000 And he said, I did it.

00:24:52.000 And I feel like such a better person.

00:24:54.000 And I have my life sorted out.

00:24:55.000 Now I did your maps for meaning.

00:24:56.000 It's an incredible email.

00:24:58.000 And I just kind of said it flippantly, Rob.

00:25:00.000 And someone applied that to their life.

00:25:02.000 And it brings me great joy.

00:25:04.000 But I mean that, which is that instead of indulging yourself, challenge yourself.

00:25:08.000 You'll find a lot more in life.

00:25:09.000 The greatest joys and the breakthroughs are actually what happens when you make a tough, tough, tough goal, a tough aim, you challenge, and you actually don't deprave.

00:25:19.000 That's not the right word, but you forego the instant gratification for something that can happen next.

00:25:25.000 You apply restraint in order to pursue excellence.

00:25:27.000 Isn't there a plaque that I refer to in the stairwell or something?

00:25:32.000 They're going to remove it any day now, but I keep referring to it.

00:25:34.000 It's like a ticket.

00:25:34.000 We're talking about it too much.

00:25:35.000 Yeah.

00:25:36.000 So one final thought on this, and I'd love to ask you about relationships really quick, which is that I think we overcomplicate some of this stuff through self-help books and through all these big seminars and all this.

00:25:48.000 Jordan's 12 rules for life are amazing, and he wrote it like a psychological journal, right?

00:25:52.000 If you just look at the 12 rules and just kind of get an essence of it, I actually like Jordan's lectures better than his writings.

00:25:57.000 I think he's a better lecturer than a writer.

00:25:59.000 And I know him as a friend.

00:26:00.000 He got a little evolutionary in the book itself.

00:26:02.000 Yeah, and if you don't subscribe to Darwinianism, then it kind of has some contradiction.

00:26:06.000 It's like eating a whole chicken.

00:26:07.000 You eat the meat and spit out the bone.

00:26:08.000 Yeah, and look, there are some Christian Darwinists, and I don't really weigh into that, to be honest with you. 0.81

00:26:12.000 But some people believe in that.

00:26:13.000 But I think he's trying to justify everything there with good reason and logic.

00:26:18.000 And I take some exception with part of it.

00:26:21.000 I will say this, though, that for every young person out there, think to yourself, Am I doing something right now that I know that's bad for me?

00:26:29.000 That if I stopped doing it, my life would be better.

00:26:31.000 And the answer is yes, then stop doing it.

00:26:33.000 I know that's a really simple equation, but most, and this is why the ethic of Christ is so amazing: freedom from sin.

00:26:40.000 The secular culture says sin makes you free, right?

00:26:43.000 That's what our whole culture is.

00:26:45.000 Indulge yourself.

00:26:46.000 Whereas in Christ, it's actually the sacrifice of that sin where you get to true liberty.

00:26:50.000 Whoa, that's a concept that no other religion ever can conjecture.

00:26:56.000 And the Lord will be in you to give you the strength to do that.

00:27:00.000 Total gift.

00:27:01.000 I mean, nothing else.

00:27:03.000 Nothing.

00:27:04.000 Yeah.

00:27:05.000 So let me ask you, Rob, I have a lot of young people that also message me about relationships, difficulty with relationships, people having trouble finding partners, maintaining partners, being in intimate relationships.

00:27:17.000 You have a whole talk on this.

00:27:18.000 In fact, you've been doing this for years.

00:27:19.000 Yeah.

00:27:20.000 Yeah.

00:27:20.000 Well, you know, God creates man.

00:27:23.000 He said, let us make man in our image.

00:27:25.000 And the word used is Elohim, which is singular plurality or unified diversity.

00:27:30.000 The Godhead is relational, Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

00:27:34.000 And when he says, let us make man in our image, he makes us relational.

00:27:38.000 He creates man, creates woman.

00:27:40.000 And the only thing in the Garden of Eden that wasn't good after all the creation was it's not good that man should be alone.

00:27:46.000 And so God created marriage to resolve the aloneness of man.

00:27:50.000 He didn't do it for procreation because you can procreate outside of marriage.

00:27:54.000 But the aloneness, this intimacy, is something everyone's searching for.

00:27:57.000 So some people don't make the argument that marriage is for children.

00:28:02.000 And your argument would be it's actually a lot deeper than that.

00:28:04.000 Yeah, it is deeper than that.

00:28:06.000 It's to resolve the aloneness of man, that we are relational.

00:28:10.000 And it's not good that man should be alone.

00:28:12.000 That's what God said.

00:28:13.000 It was the only thing in the Garden of Eden that wasn't good.

00:28:15.000 It's not good that man should be alone.

00:28:17.000 And like I said, you can procreate outside of marriage.

00:28:20.000 We've proven it, right?

00:28:22.000 Yeah, in fact, actually, there's more babies out of wedlock than within marriage.

00:28:26.000 So to resolve the aloneness of man, God set it up.

00:28:31.000 And it's fascinating.

00:28:32.000 He creates this estate of marriage.

00:28:33.000 I hate I use that word institution or a creative.

00:28:36.000 I knew corrected me.

00:28:37.000 Well, and it was rude of me.

00:28:38.000 And I was tired that day.

00:28:40.000 It was a long year that week.

00:28:41.000 Yeah.

00:28:42.000 That's a great line.

00:28:45.000 I was a little short.

00:28:46.000 No, it's all good.

00:28:47.000 But I was thinking to myself, it is an estate.

00:28:49.000 It's beautiful.

00:28:50.000 And this estate of marriage, it's the greatest intimacy man can have this side of heaven, where a man and a woman have intimacy.

00:29:00.000 And the Bible says in Genesis, they were naked and unashamed.

00:29:04.000 And the idea is that there's complete intimacy, complete clarity, that there's no hidden secrets.

00:29:12.000 They're completely revealed to one another.

00:29:15.000 And so when you look at that, and then you see the fall of man, marriage is the only estate that survived the fall of man in the Garden of Eden.

00:29:23.000 So marriage is still intact.

00:29:25.000 And the way it is, it's a microcosmic picture of Christ's love for the church.

00:29:29.000 He's the groom, the church is the bride.

00:29:31.000 And if you look at a Western wedding, it's fascinating.

00:29:34.000 A Western wedding, the woman comes down in white, washed in the blood of the Lamb, white as snow.

00:29:40.000 The groom, which is Christ, comes out in his burial outfit, which is the tuxedo. 0.83

00:29:45.000 No, serious.

00:29:45.000 This is a Western theme.

00:29:47.000 Comes out in his burial outfit.

00:29:49.000 And it's his death that has cleansed us of all unrighteousness, his death, burial, resurrection.

00:29:54.000 And they're united, and the two become one.

00:29:57.000 And this is a picture of Christ's love for the church.

00:29:59.000 He laid his life down.

00:30:00.000 So when you go through Ephesians 5 and 6, it gives the outline of the family.

00:30:05.000 It says, submitting to one another, submitting to one another in the fear of the Lord.

00:30:10.000 Wives submit to your husbands is unto the Lord.

00:30:12.000 Children obey your parents. 0.95

00:30:13.000 It'll go well with you.

00:30:14.000 You'll live long on the earth.

00:30:15.000 And husbands, love your wives as Christ loved the church.

00:30:18.000 So you see this big umbrella of God, and then immediately under that is the husband, then the wife, then the children.

00:30:24.000 It doesn't mean that they're not equal.

00:30:26.000 It just means they have different roles.

00:30:27.000 And if you look at it, of the four, God, husband, wife, children, what's the weakest physically and mentally of the four?

00:30:34.000 It's obviously the child.

00:30:36.000 Who has the most levels of protection?

00:30:37.000 The child. 0.95

00:30:38.000 Physically, between a male and a female. 0.97

00:30:40.000 Of course, there's always exceptions. 0.96

00:30:41.000 But physically, who's the weakest between the male and the female? 1.00

00:30:44.000 It's going to be the female.

00:30:45.000 She has the next most levels of protection, then the husband. 0.64

00:30:48.000 Now, if the husband pulls out from under the umbrella of God, the wife can raise the children with the Lord.

00:30:53.000 And there's single parents that have done that and done it well.

00:30:55.000 It's not ideal, but it works.

00:30:58.000 And maybe a wife pulls out and there's the husband and the children. 0.65

00:31:00.000 It still works. 0.58

00:31:01.000 It's not ideal, but it works.

00:31:03.000 But the optimal is what God designed.

00:31:05.000 And so with that, how do you have intimacy?

00:31:07.000 How is marriage established?

00:31:09.000 The Bible says a man will leave his mother and father, be cleaved to his wife. 0.68

00:31:12.000 The two shall become one flesh.

00:31:15.000 And the Bible says, a man who lays down his life will then find it.

00:31:18.000 And so marriage is really a sacrifice.

00:31:22.000 It's laying down your life.

00:31:24.000 And you look at that and you think, okay, how does that work?

00:31:27.000 Well, as Christ loved the church, he laid his life down.

00:31:30.000 Husbands, do the same.

00:31:31.000 Love your wife as Christ loved the church.

00:31:33.000 Lay your life down.

00:31:35.000 And so, in doing this, the picture is he initiates, the wife responds.

00:31:39.000 This is a picture of Christ's love for the church.

00:31:42.000 And then you talk about intimacy.

00:31:44.000 Sex is an expression of intimacy, both physical, emotional, and spiritual.

00:31:49.000 You connect on all three levels and you're intimate.

00:31:53.000 And how that works is the Greeks, we talk about the most misunderstood word in the English language.

00:32:01.000 And you can use it in two sentences, and it means something totally different.

00:32:04.000 I love my brother, and I love my wife.

00:32:07.000 Well, I love my brother.

00:32:08.000 I got a great brother, wonderful brother, but I don't love him like I love my wife.

00:32:12.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:32:13.000 So it's the same word, two different meanings.

00:32:16.000 And we only have one word in English for love.

00:32:18.000 The Greeks had many words, three in particular, that constitute more than 90% of the meaning itself.

00:32:23.000 And you find those three words in the scriptures.

00:32:26.000 There's eros, which is the idea of eros, is that it's selfish and it's only intended for objects.

00:32:35.000 For example, I love this shirt because it makes me look skinny.

00:32:38.000 And you're going, well, no, it doesn't.

00:32:40.000 But you love it because of how it makes you feel.

00:32:43.000 And you're selfish.

00:32:44.000 It's all about you. 0.96

00:32:46.000 And that's where we get the word erotic.

00:32:47.000 I was going to say, yeah, that's the.

00:32:49.000 And the word erotic, the idea is you take the pinnacle of God's creation, which is man, and reduce them to an object for your pleasure.

00:32:57.000 And that's where pornography comes from.

00:33:00.000 You know, much of the pornographic industry is driven by drug addiction in many respects.

00:33:06.000 And you see, if a guy's walking on campus and he sees a girl coming across, he's never spoken a word to her, Day in his life, doesn't realize that her parents are going through a divorce or her brother's dying of cancer.

00:33:16.000 He doesn't care.

00:33:17.000 She's an object for his pleasure. 0.89

00:33:19.000 She's eye candy.

00:33:21.000 I'd like to get some of that.

00:33:22.000 And he, you know, says a growls or something.

00:33:24.000 But he has no clue about her world.

00:33:27.000 That's an object for his pleasure. 0.99

00:33:29.000 So humans can love other human beings with Eros, but they have to do one thing, reduce their intrinsic value as a pinnacle of God's creation to that of an object. 0.91

00:33:36.000 And every object can be purchased for a price.

00:33:40.000 If I take you to dinner, we sleep with me.

00:33:42.000 And that just, that devalues humanity.

00:33:45.000 Now, it's attractive because you're drawn to somebody with your eyes and you look at them and it does something to you, but that doesn't sustain intimacy.

00:33:54.000 And what happens is we immediately go to the eros and we lose the building block of intimacy.

00:33:59.000 You get to know someone first.

00:34:01.000 You spend time investing in their life both emotionally and spiritually and come to understand them so that when the trials of life come, you're not just connected by an animalistic connection of a physical realm.

00:34:13.000 And now you can share through life's burdens and joys.

00:34:17.000 So the next level of love in the Greek is called agape, agapeo, which is where you find in the scriptures, for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son.

00:34:26.000 For God so agape the world.

00:34:28.000 Agape is a selfless love and it's only intended for human beings, not for objects.

00:34:32.000 It's the love that a mother has for her child.

00:34:36.000 Whereas Eros would be the love that a newborn baby has for the mother.

00:34:41.000 And you go, wait a minute, if it's only for objects, how can a baby love the mother?

00:34:45.000 The mother's not an object.

00:34:46.000 The baby doesn't look at the mother as a human being.

00:34:49.000 The mother is the milk wagon. 1.00

00:34:51.000 Hook me up.

00:34:51.000 It's two o'clock in the morning.

00:34:52.000 I'll scream until I get what I want.

00:34:55.000 So it's still an object love and eros.

00:34:57.000 But when you get to agape, the mother loves the baby selflessly.

00:35:01.000 It's two in the morning.

00:35:02.000 She's given birth to that child.

00:35:03.000 She hurts in places she didn't know she had.

00:35:05.000 And she gets up and loves on that baby, cleans, you know, a child that age, we've had four of them.

00:35:11.000 They make a noise on either end.

00:35:12.000 It results in a mess.

00:35:14.000 And it's never at a convenient time. 0.74

00:35:16.000 And the mother is loving on that child.

00:35:18.000 And that is agape love, selfless.

00:35:21.000 When I was a young boy, I'd be driving with my mom in the car, a Volkswagen bug, and a car would cut in front of us.

00:35:26.000 And that was before we had seatbelts. 0.59

00:35:27.000 And she'd put her hand and get in front of me.

00:35:30.000 And what she was communicating to me without words is, I'm going to put myself between you and danger because I love you more than I love myself.

00:35:35.000 It's a selfless love.

00:35:37.000 Greater love has no man than this, and he'll lay down his life for a friend.

00:35:40.000 That's agape.

00:35:41.000 And then the third type of love, agape is the highest form of love a human being can give.

00:35:48.000 But the highest form of love a human being can experience is called phileo.

00:35:54.000 It's misunderstood as brotherly love because we get the city of Philadelphia, city of brotherly love.

00:35:58.000 It's deeper than that.

00:35:59.000 Because if you look at the discourse in John 21 with Peter, when he's restoring him, he interchanges agape with phileo.

00:36:07.000 And what he's saying is, phileo is a mutual love.

00:36:11.000 Having the same love, being of like mind, let the mind that was in Christ Jesus be in you.

00:36:15.000 So phileo is achieved by agape, laying your life down, the husband initiates, the wife responding, laying her life down like we did when we came to Christ.

00:36:22.000 And the two become one flesh and we have a like mind.

00:36:25.000 We operate together in intimacy.

00:36:27.000 And this is phileo.

00:36:30.000 This is A plus A equals phileo.

00:36:33.000 That's the idea.

00:36:35.000 I can give you two illustrations.

00:36:37.000 I know limited on time.

00:36:38.000 I'll wrap it up with two illustrations if you want.

00:36:40.000 Is that good?

00:36:40.000 All right.

00:36:42.000 When I was young and crazy, I was dating a girl and she came to me and she said she was pregnant.

00:36:54.000 And I set up an appointment at the abortion clinic. 0.98

00:36:57.000 Because at that point, you know, I wouldn't have believed her.

00:37:00.000 And that child was an inconvenience. 0.99

00:37:02.000 And I wanted to get rid of that kid because, listen, her father, big guy, he'd kill me. 1.00

00:37:07.000 And when he was done killing me, my dad would resurrect me and he'd kill me. 1.00

00:37:10.000 And I didn't want anyone to know.

00:37:12.000 So, you know, I had money for my paycheck, money I'd had saved, set up the appointment at the abortion clinic.

00:37:16.000 And that week, she said, I had my period and I'm not pregnant.

00:37:20.000 And of course, that relationship ended.

00:37:22.000 And fast forward, Michelle and I, newly married, she's pregnant.

00:37:29.000 And we go to the doctor's office for the trimester checkup, Dr. Teresa Avance, amazing doctor.

00:37:34.000 I'm holding my wife's hand.

00:37:35.000 She's working the ultrasound device.

00:37:36.000 I've got a name picked out for a boy and a name picked out for a girl.

00:37:38.000 And she's working the device and we're excited to find out.

00:37:41.000 And Dr. Avance looks over at me and looks over at Michelle and looks down at Michelle and there's tears in her eyes and they weld up.

00:37:48.000 And when she looks down, the tears start to fall.

00:37:51.000 And she says, Rob, Michelle, I'm sorry, but your baby's died.

00:37:55.000 And I'd never been through anything like that my whole life.

00:37:56.000 Michelle, you know, she was crying.

00:37:58.000 She squeezed my hand so tight, you know, just and she went in for a DNC, a dilate and cutarage is what they call it.

00:38:04.000 Same procedure as an abortion, but in this case, our baby was already dead.

00:38:07.000 And during the procedure, something happened where she began to hemorrhage horribly and she almost died.

00:38:13.000 And they wheeled her out.

00:38:14.000 And I remember her passing by me as they were rushing her to the emergency room.

00:38:18.000 And her face was so ashen gray that you couldn't tell where her face ended and her lips began.

00:38:22.000 And her eyes would roll back in her head and they rushed past.

00:38:24.000 And I remember just collapsing in the seat in the waiting room.

00:38:28.000 And I just remember saying, God, please don't let her die.

00:38:31.000 And for the first time in my life, I realized I love somebody more than I love myself.

00:38:35.000 And when they finally stabilized her and they let me come in the room, this is like over 30 years ago.

00:38:44.000 I walked into the room and there, tubes were running in and out of her body.

00:38:47.000 Her hair was thrashed. 0.73

00:38:48.000 Her lips were cracked from dehydration.

00:38:51.000 I grabbed her hand.

00:38:51.000 It was cold and she was out.

00:38:54.000 And I just said, you know, don't die.

00:38:56.000 I don't want to go through life without you.

00:38:58.000 And she recovered.

00:39:00.000 Our baby died.

00:39:02.000 My wife lived.

00:39:03.000 And at that moment, God spoke to my heart and he said, Rob, what's the difference?

00:39:07.000 Not an audible voice, but it was very clear to me.

00:39:09.000 What's the difference?

00:39:10.000 I said, God, what do you mean?

00:39:11.000 What's the difference?

00:39:12.000 He said, what's the difference between the child you want to get rid of and the one that you're weeping over?

00:39:18.000 And I said, well, Lord, this one was all about me.

00:39:20.000 And I want to get rid of that baby to protect myself from the girl's dad.

00:39:27.000 But this child wasn't about me.

00:39:28.000 I'd give my life away.

00:39:30.000 And as painful as this day was when I lost my baby and I almost lost my wife, I wouldn't give up one day of this for a thousand of these.

00:39:37.000 Because that day I never felt more loved and more human in all my life.

00:39:42.000 Love is what can I give.

00:39:43.000 Sex is what can I get.

00:39:46.000 And intimacy comes when you lay your life down.

00:39:49.000 You serve another human being.

00:39:51.000 And I'll leave you with this last thought.

00:39:53.000 Four most intense drives of a male adolescent.

00:39:56.000 They say a male adolescent has a sexual thought every 15 to 18 seconds.

00:39:59.000 Like, I got to go to history class.

00:40:00.000 Oh, you know.

00:40:02.000 So you got air, three minutes without air, water, three days without water, food, 40 days without food.

00:40:06.000 Fourth most intense drive, male adolescent, sex drive.

00:40:11.000 And I remember saying this in a public school and the kid goes, wait a minute.

00:40:14.000 Why would God make me this way, make my fourth most intense drive as a male, my sex drive, and then say, wait until marriage?

00:40:22.000 And at the time he asked me, all the girls are giggling. 0.72

00:40:24.000 He goes, don't you test drive a car before you buy it?

00:40:25.000 And the girls were laughing.

00:40:27.000 And he had me baffled.

00:40:27.000 And he goes, is God cruel or something?

00:40:29.000 And I thought, yeah, he kind of is.

00:40:33.000 But then all of a sudden, the Bible says, you lack wisdom, and I asked God.

00:40:36.000 James 1, 5.

00:40:37.000 Yeah.

00:40:37.000 And I looked at him.

00:40:38.000 I said, tell me about your dad.

00:40:39.000 You got a good dad? 1.00

00:40:41.000 He goes, no, he's a jerk. 1.00

00:40:42.000 Divorced my mom. 1.00

00:40:44.000 I said, okay.

00:40:46.000 And I had told him about a guy named Jeff that I'd worked with who his first time he ever kissed a woman was on the altar and very first sexual experience after their honeymoon night.

00:40:53.000 Good dad, 50-hour work week, serves a kid, serves his wife.

00:40:58.000 And I said, wouldn't you like to have had a dad like Jeff?

00:41:01.000 And don't you wish your mom would have had a husband like Jeff?

00:41:03.000 And he goes, yeah.

00:41:04.000 I said, the reason why God takes a fourth most intense drive, you can't do without air.

00:41:07.000 You can't do without water.

00:41:08.000 You can't do without food.

00:41:09.000 But he takes that drive to teach you how to serve, to lay your life down.

00:41:14.000 So when the day comes, you know how to serve a family and care for them.

00:41:19.000 And he got it.

00:41:20.000 And this was a secular kid in a secular school that understood that principle.

00:41:24.000 God's not cruel.

00:41:25.000 He's in the business of making men.

00:41:27.000 Men are providers and protectors.

00:41:30.000 And if you want intimacy, you got to learn how to be a provider and a protector and lay your life down and serve other human beings.

00:41:36.000 That's awesome.

00:41:37.000 Well, Rob, we'll have to keep this conversation going.

00:41:39.000 You bless me, Charlie.

00:41:40.000 And this is a generation that is blessed to have you as a voice.

00:41:46.000 Autodidactic.

00:41:47.000 I say that a lot.

00:41:48.000 But Charlie, keep it up because there are a lot of people out there, young people, who they've been misled and they're longing for a way out.

00:41:59.000 And God's used you as that voice.

00:42:02.000 And I just pray God continues to do that.

00:42:04.000 So bless you, man.

00:42:05.000 Thank you.

00:42:06.000 And everyone can email us, freedom at charliekirk.com if you want to email Rob.

00:42:09.000 And the last, last thing I'll say is if you're going through something, talk, talk, talk, talk through it, talk to somebody, write it out.

00:42:17.000 Dialogue matters.

00:42:18.000 I'm not as good at you, Charlie, with email, but I'm Rob at Godspeak.com.

00:42:23.000 I'll do my best to respond.

00:42:25.000 In Instagram, I'm better, Rob underscore McCoy.

00:42:28.000 There you go.

00:42:29.000 Let's get him a bunch of followers, everybody.

00:42:31.000 Yeah, well, whatever.

00:42:32.000 But anyway, I can help.

00:42:33.000 Thanks, Rob.

00:42:33.000 Thanks, everybody.

00:42:34.000 See you soon.

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00:43:25.000 For example, we just added a new professor, John Cheney Lippold at the University of Michigan.

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00:43:38.000 Lippold made headlines for his blatant discrimination against pro-Israel students at Michigan.

00:43:43.000 After agreeing to the initial request, he refused to write a letter of recommendation for a student that wanted to study abroad in Israel due to his adherence to the BDS movement.

00:43:52.000 He said, as you may know, many university departments have pledged an academic boycott against Israel in support of Palestinians living in Palestine. 0.84

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The Charlie Kirk Show - September 13, 2020

Relationships, Marriage and the Transition into Manhood with Pastor Rob McCoy

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