00:00:42.000We have a country to save, and we are moving quicker and faster than ever to rally the troops to get our president re-elected.
00:00:50.000Before we dive into the interview, my very important interview with Pastor Rob McCoy, where we talk about all sorts of things, marriage, meaning, direction, the crisis of masculinity, I want to talk about our partners at thinker.org, T-H-I-N-K-R.org, who distill the greatest books into bite-sized format, 9 to 15 minutes, so you can listen to summaries about them and get the most important information consumed quickly.
00:01:20.000Thinker.org is one of my favorite partners because they allow millions of people to be able to understand the ideas that built Western civilization.
00:01:30.000Many of you have been writing us at freedom at charliekirk.com asking, where is all this headed?
00:01:41.000And so for this book of the week for thinker.org, I thought it would be fitting to talk about one of the most formative books that I read growing up that articulated the problems of central planning, that was able to visualize the tyranny of the majority, and also motivate myself and many others to get behind first principles.
00:02:05.000The book is called Road to Serfdom by Frederick Hayek.
00:02:09.000At thinker.org slash Charlie, by the way, you guys can get a discount and you are able to have one month free at thinker.org slash Charlie.
00:02:18.000Road to Serfdom by Frederick Hayek was right after World War II.
00:02:23.000F.A. Hayek, who just can be known as Hayek, started to see that England and the United States were beginning to embrace some of the political and economic ideas that had paved the way for collective totalitarian states like Germany, fascist Italy, and Soviet Russia.
00:02:40.000This is one of the most important political essays ever, and definitely in the 20th century.
00:02:44.000Here are some of the important insights that you will get from Road to Serfdom.
00:02:50.000It is an indictment of central planning.
00:02:53.000Basically, it argues, correctly, that malicious and power-hungry people inevitably rise to the top of a collectivist society because they are willing to do whatever is necessary.
00:03:06.000The question is not whether or not we should plan or not plan.
00:03:10.000The question is who is going to plan and for whom?
00:03:14.000The word socialism is overused and has managed to confuse proponents and opponents alike.
00:03:20.000And Hayek argued that central planning, put all of your trust into one bucket and one Pullet Bureau of Decisions, does not advance the West's political development.
00:03:32.000Instead, it disregards political traditions 2,500 years in the making.
00:03:37.000If you want to know where we are headed if we continue to pander to BLM Incorporated, continue to raise taxes, continue to drive people out of the inner cities, and allow crime to go unaddressed.
00:03:50.000The book Road to Serfdom by F.A. Hayek is one of the most important books to understand, articulate, and educate your friends about.
00:04:00.000At thinker.org slash Charlie, T-H-I-N-K-R, it's very important you spell it correctly.
00:04:05.000You are able to dive into this title and so many others.
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00:04:25.000In the chaos that we are living through and the bedlam that we are seeing happen in the streets, I think this book, Road to Serfdom, is one of the most important for young people in particular to read because Hayek argues that even though it might feel as if one side is pushing for progress, they're actually bringing us back regressively.
00:04:46.000You've heard me talk about this before that sometimes when you push so aggressively to move things forward, you actually push things to go backwards, back to tribalism, away from Socratic dialogue, the disintegration of private property, and turning people against each other.
00:05:04.000You guys can check this out and more at thinker.org slash Charlie, thinker.org slash Charlie.
00:05:10.000I highly encourage everyone here to get a membership, understand these great ideas, and dive deeper into the philosophy that built your world and is also trying to destroy your world.
00:05:23.000We're going to dive into those ideas and so much more.
00:05:26.000And we talk about this also in my phenomenal and important conversation with my pastor, Pastor Rob McCoy from Calvary Chapel, Thousand Oaks, California.
00:05:35.000He has kept his church wide open, no social distancing, no masks.
00:05:41.000He allows full service in person at his church, and he is being persecuted by city, state, local, and county officials.
00:06:01.000Everything you give is matched dollar for dollar by a very generous and anonymous listener who put forth a challenge offer at charliekirk.com slash support.
00:07:00.000Because, you know, the media calls, the media labels you as a political pastor, but you're also mentoring and shepherding and healing people that are also dealing with real-life issues as well.
00:07:09.000The reason why we're pushing to stay open as a church is for that exact reason.
00:07:14.000Now, granted, that is a portion of it, but the greatest reason is we love our neighbor.
00:07:18.000We're concerned about the youth in our community that have not been able to graduate or experience a graduation prom.
00:07:25.000They're dealing with substance abuse issues.
00:07:27.000You know, cannabis distributors are open, liquor stores, abortion factories, and this generation of young people has just received the brunt of this misery of these draconian measures.
00:07:55.000Instead, I think that once you have self-control, then you can find self-worth.
00:07:58.000It's a very, it's a biblical principle, but not talked about enough.
00:08:02.000Rob, can you just talk about some of the crisis you're seeing with young people in relationships and substance abuse, especially in an affluent area like Thousand Oaks?
00:08:35.000Well, it's kind of like a bar mitzvah, where you go, you're a son of the law, where you go from being a child to being a man, and now you're responsible to the law.
00:08:44.000And I took him to a cemetery, and I said, you know, every great journey begins with the end in mind.
00:08:49.000I had him observe the tombstone, see what was written on it.
00:09:10.000And then, you know, we went to where the babies are born, saw the new life, talked about the responsibility of a man is that you're a provider and a protector.
00:09:17.000And I watched him at age 13, both my sons, there was a distinct change in them to receive responsibility at that age.
00:09:23.000So, and then I'm watching my 18-year-old go through this misery.
00:09:27.000And one of the things that I did, and it was actually you who inspired it, because I've always liked Jordan Peterson, but you were the one who turned me on to him.
00:09:33.000I took my son through Jordan Peterson's book, Rules on Living.
00:10:18.000And I wanted, you know, I know you're asking me questions, but I would, I was so blessed by what you shared with me that you gleaned from Jordan.
00:10:27.000And then there's an angle, too, that I think young people are struggling with, and that's relationally because the victimization culture that we've created has left an entire generation, especially for males.
00:10:38.000How do you hyperfeminization of our country?
00:10:53.000I want to get, I mean, you're the expert on that, but if I could comment on the Jordan thing first, please.
00:10:58.000Jordan Peterson has done more to defend and advance the gospel of Jesus Christ than most Christian pastors ever will.
00:11:03.000Never forget, there's a three-part series of Jordan Peterson in front of tens of thousands of people, thousands of people, millions of live stream viewers.
00:11:09.000I mean, 23 million YouTube views, which is unbelievably hard to get in each video.
00:11:13.000Him versus Sam Harris, a devout atheist, where Jordan Peterson, despite the mockery and the persecution of the atheist chattering class when they're going after the Bible, he doesn't not just give it an inch.
00:11:23.000He defends and he says, you don't understand.
00:11:25.000There's no other document like this ever created.
00:11:27.000He says, I can't even quite explain the psychological and there's something, the psychological truth and the harmony of the book where, yes, you can read it sequentially, but the entire book harmonizes with itself the more you read.
00:11:44.000A clinical psychologist who's contending for the greatest book ever and for truth and can articulate Christianity better than most pastors I've ever found.
00:11:51.000And I could tell you, Rob, Jordan Peterson did not bring me to Christ.
00:13:07.000It's, you know, we talk about OIA, observation, interpretation, application.
00:13:12.000So when you're teaching, you're observing the text, you're interpreting the text, the original meaning, et cetera, breaking down the nuances of the words in the Greek and the Hebrew.
00:13:20.000But the application is where Jordan Peterson just kind of, I don't think, gets it as well.
00:13:28.000They don't understand the public square.
00:13:29.000They don't understand, you know, and the vast array of education that Jordan Peterson has to be able to bring that into the application of the text is pretty fascinating.
00:13:37.000Well, and also how he doesn't give an inch.
00:13:38.000What I love is that he has given multiple opportunities by the atheists just to hedge a little bit.
00:13:43.000Maybe the Bible is just a good document, the best.
00:13:46.000He defends it with more veracity and more personal connection to the text than any person I have ever seen, minus really good Bible-believing teachers like yourself and Jack Hibbs.
00:13:56.000I mean, it's the 1% of the 1% of pastors, in my opinion, that I have seen, that I've experienced.
00:14:01.000And what's really interesting, though, is that Jordan, and I've seen this, thousands of people, hundreds of thousands of people, he brought more people to Christ because there were people that were raised in a church, got disaffected by the church.
00:14:13.000They were raised in observational and interpretive churches, but with no application at all whatsoever.
00:14:18.000He has 12 rules for life, 12 being a biblical number, 12 disciples, 12 tribes of Israel.
00:14:36.000But then he goes, here are the 12 rules that if you follow these rules, your life is going to be a little less awful and a little more meaningful.
00:14:44.000So he actually comes from this thing that we live in original.
00:14:46.000He comes from this belief that we live in original sin.
00:14:49.000And his whole platform is people are living in a state of chaos.
00:14:54.000And that's the whole, it's 12 rules for life, an antidote to chaos.
00:14:57.000That if you live in a state of chaos, you're going to be miserable.
00:15:08.000I think that was the second visit we made with the great Jack Hibbs.
00:15:11.000And we're taking questions from the audience, and a young man comes up who is borderline suicidal.
00:15:19.000And he asks a poignant question, and it's almost like you could hear a groan in the audience because it reflected many of the children that were represented in the families.
00:15:29.000And you went through for him, you gave him such great advice.
00:15:32.000And Jack went on later, Pastor Jack went on later to talk about how that deeply affected that young man.
00:17:06.000Women can and should provide at the very same equal levels as men.
00:17:09.000Now, I'm not against, I think it's reprehensible and immoral and evil and wrong to say that men and women should earn the same, should earn differently for the same work.
00:17:18.000However, I actually don't, I think it's really bad, Rob, and this is an economic thing that actually impacts cultural and spirituality.
00:17:23.000And the American church has failed this.
00:17:25.000Donald Trump has actually addressed this, that in order for a middle-class family of $80,000 a year to stay afloat and not go into debt and raise a family of four, they have to work 53 weeks a year.
00:18:42.000And I'm not trying to say that when two parents work, I'm going to be very clear that it's necessarily going to be a bad thing for the kid.
00:18:49.000The statistics are if both parents go into the workforce, and if that kid gets home at 3 o'clock when he's 15 years old, he is far more likely to do things he should not be doing in substance abuse and otherwise.
00:19:12.000If you have it worked out, God bless you.
00:19:14.000I'm just talking about what social psychologists and what the macro data shows.
00:19:17.000That when both your parents go in the workforce, especially during those formative years of 12, 13, 14, 15, where there is just an incoming of temptation for young people, especially in the modern era, then there's not that check.
00:19:41.000The connection I had with the transition as we called into manhood happened in Boy Scouts.
00:19:46.000Now, that's an institution that's been dismantled by the secular left, and it's had troubles clearly, and yet the entire thing has been pretty much, I don't know, dismantled.
00:20:00.000It's still existing, but not where it was.
00:21:35.000For young men, the biggest problem they have when they're 16 or 17 is they've not been challenged and they have not been put into a place where they're pushed into the unknown to find out who they really are and what they can do.
00:21:47.000That's what the Boy Scouts used to do.
00:21:49.000When I was a Boy Scout becoming an Eagle Scout, they put you in to get your wilderness survival merit badge, you had to go out into the woods and survive a night, start a fire, pitch a tent, make a meal.
00:21:58.000Actually, you wouldn't even have a tent.
00:23:34.000Most people, young people in particular, have no aim at all whatsoever with you because they've been told by people around them that it's a waste of time.
00:25:09.000The greatest joys and the breakthroughs are actually what happens when you make a tough, tough, tough goal, a tough aim, you challenge, and you actually don't deprave.
00:25:19.000That's not the right word, but you forego the instant gratification for something that can happen next.
00:25:25.000You apply restraint in order to pursue excellence.
00:25:27.000Isn't there a plaque that I refer to in the stairwell or something?
00:25:32.000They're going to remove it any day now, but I keep referring to it.
00:25:36.000So one final thought on this, and I'd love to ask you about relationships really quick, which is that I think we overcomplicate some of this stuff through self-help books and through all these big seminars and all this.
00:25:48.000Jordan's 12 rules for life are amazing, and he wrote it like a psychological journal, right?
00:25:52.000If you just look at the 12 rules and just kind of get an essence of it, I actually like Jordan's lectures better than his writings.
00:25:57.000I think he's a better lecturer than a writer.
00:26:13.000But I think he's trying to justify everything there with good reason and logic.
00:26:18.000And I take some exception with part of it.
00:26:21.000I will say this, though, that for every young person out there, think to yourself, Am I doing something right now that I know that's bad for me?
00:26:29.000That if I stopped doing it, my life would be better.
00:26:31.000And the answer is yes, then stop doing it.
00:26:33.000I know that's a really simple equation, but most, and this is why the ethic of Christ is so amazing: freedom from sin.
00:26:40.000The secular culture says sin makes you free, right?
00:27:05.000So let me ask you, Rob, I have a lot of young people that also message me about relationships, difficulty with relationships, people having trouble finding partners, maintaining partners, being in intimate relationships.
00:28:50.000And this estate of marriage, it's the greatest intimacy man can have this side of heaven, where a man and a woman have intimacy.
00:29:00.000And the Bible says in Genesis, they were naked and unashamed.
00:29:04.000And the idea is that there's complete intimacy, complete clarity, that there's no hidden secrets.
00:29:12.000They're completely revealed to one another.
00:29:15.000And so when you look at that, and then you see the fall of man, marriage is the only estate that survived the fall of man in the Garden of Eden.
00:32:49.000And the word erotic, the idea is you take the pinnacle of God's creation, which is man, and reduce them to an object for your pleasure.
00:32:57.000And that's where pornography comes from.
00:33:00.000You know, much of the pornographic industry is driven by drug addiction in many respects.
00:33:06.000And you see, if a guy's walking on campus and he sees a girl coming across, he's never spoken a word to her, Day in his life, doesn't realize that her parents are going through a divorce or her brother's dying of cancer.
00:33:29.000So humans can love other human beings with Eros, but they have to do one thing, reduce their intrinsic value as a pinnacle of God's creation to that of an object.
00:33:36.000And every object can be purchased for a price.
00:33:40.000If I take you to dinner, we sleep with me.
00:33:42.000And that just, that devalues humanity.
00:33:45.000Now, it's attractive because you're drawn to somebody with your eyes and you look at them and it does something to you, but that doesn't sustain intimacy.
00:33:54.000And what happens is we immediately go to the eros and we lose the building block of intimacy.
00:34:01.000You spend time investing in their life both emotionally and spiritually and come to understand them so that when the trials of life come, you're not just connected by an animalistic connection of a physical realm.
00:34:13.000And now you can share through life's burdens and joys.
00:34:17.000So the next level of love in the Greek is called agape, agapeo, which is where you find in the scriptures, for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son.
00:35:27.000And she'd put her hand and get in front of me.
00:35:30.000And what she was communicating to me without words is, I'm going to put myself between you and danger because I love you more than I love myself.
00:35:59.000Because if you look at the discourse in John 21 with Peter, when he's restoring him, he interchanges agape with phileo.
00:36:07.000And what he's saying is, phileo is a mutual love.
00:36:11.000Having the same love, being of like mind, let the mind that was in Christ Jesus be in you.
00:36:15.000So phileo is achieved by agape, laying your life down, the husband initiates, the wife responding, laying her life down like we did when we came to Christ.
00:36:22.000And the two become one flesh and we have a like mind.
00:40:46.000And I had told him about a guy named Jeff that I'd worked with who his first time he ever kissed a woman was on the altar and very first sexual experience after their honeymoon night.
00:40:53.000Good dad, 50-hour work week, serves a kid, serves his wife.
00:40:58.000And I said, wouldn't you like to have had a dad like Jeff?
00:41:01.000And don't you wish your mom would have had a husband like Jeff?
00:41:48.000But Charlie, keep it up because there are a lot of people out there, young people, who they've been misled and they're longing for a way out.
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