The Charlie Kirk Show - Restoring Masculinity in the Next Generation

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00:00:08.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:00:18.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:19.000 He's an incredible guy.

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00:02:06.000 Charlie, what's up, brother?

00:02:07.000 Glad to be joining you today.

00:02:09.000 Yeah, thank you so much for having me.

00:02:12.000 I got to admit, you look like you've been running around quite a bit.

00:02:16.000 I know we had to reschedule a couple of times, and while I can appreciate that, but it seems like you're a busy man these days.

00:02:23.000 Yeah, doing two podcasts a day, one on Saturday, one on Sunday, trying to get the president re-elected and still run Turning Point USA and Turning Point Action and speaking.

00:02:32.000 And so, but we're glad we made this work.

00:02:34.000 How do you do it all, man?

00:02:35.000 That's what I want to know.

00:02:37.000 I've got four kids.

00:02:38.000 I've been married for 16 years.

00:02:40.000 I'm running two different businesses.

00:02:42.000 And I think I'm running at about half of what you're running at.

00:02:46.000 And even I feel overwhelmed.

00:02:47.000 So tell me your secret.

00:02:49.000 Well, the four kids, I don't know if I'd be able to do that.

00:02:51.000 That sounds like quite a lot.

00:02:52.000 Hopefully there'll be kids coming soon.

00:02:54.000 I don't know.

00:02:55.000 Who knows my life?

00:02:56.000 I don't know.

00:02:57.000 But look, I really, really love what I get to do.

00:03:02.000 I don't love some of the things I have to do to do it, such as traveling.

00:03:07.000 I don't like that.

00:03:08.000 Cross-country flights, the sleepless nights, red eyes, checking in a new hotel.

00:03:14.000 I don't like that, the kind of the technical part of it, but I really love pursuing ideas.

00:03:18.000 I love convincing people.

00:03:20.000 I love being challenged.

00:03:22.000 And that just motivates you.

00:03:23.000 I'm up till midnight, one o'clock, 1.30 every night, and then just up, you know, 7 o'clock, 6.37.

00:03:30.000 And that's on a good night.

00:03:32.000 That's sleeping in, by the way.

00:03:34.000 And we have a great team.

00:03:38.000 I'm very disciplined with how I spend my time.

00:03:41.000 I really don't do anything that isn't pertinent to the mission.

00:03:46.000 The only thing I would do, I'll work out five or six days a week.

00:03:50.000 That's about it.

00:03:51.000 But I don't do video games.

00:03:53.000 You know, I don't really have leisure activities.

00:03:55.000 You know, people say, what do you do for fun?

00:03:56.000 I don't really do that.

00:03:58.000 Kind of just do the mission.

00:04:00.000 And so when you're there, we actually have more time in a day than I think people realize.

00:04:04.000 I think that most people waste so much time.

00:04:08.000 So, yeah, I'm incredibly blessed, wrote a book this year, made bestseller, you know, did the podcast thing.

00:04:15.000 Now it's turning into a radio show.

00:04:17.000 We were doing three podcasts a week.

00:04:18.000 Now we're doing 12 podcasts a week.

00:04:21.000 I knew that.

00:04:22.000 So it's wild, man.

00:04:24.000 Yeah, not to mention the longer form interviews.

00:04:26.000 And in a regular year, I'd be doing 300 speeches a year.

00:04:31.000 Probably not going to hit it this year out for obvious reasons.

00:04:35.000 But I'm actually on pace.

00:04:36.000 If I were to keep the pace I'm on right now, I would have been, I'd be doing more than 350.

00:04:41.000 But no, look, I love what I get to do.

00:04:43.000 I'm incredibly blessed and just very thankful.

00:04:46.000 The term I use is integrated.

00:04:48.000 And it sounds like you're very integrated with your work and your life.

00:04:52.000 And there's not a bunch of different hats.

00:04:54.000 Like a lot of men will talk about hats.

00:04:55.000 I got to wear the family hat, the dad hat, the work hat.

00:04:58.000 And I found in my own personal life that if I don't pretend like I'm wearing different hats, but instead say I'm one man, whether I'm at work, whether I'm with my family, whether I'm with my friends or in my own leisure activities, there's a lot of congruency and integration between the way I live my life.

00:05:13.000 And that's much more efficient than trying to put on different hats and pretend like I'm somebody different in each circumstance.

00:05:20.000 Yeah, and I have the opportunity to not have to be somebody different.

00:05:23.000 I mean, one of the greatest gifts that God has given me is I say the same things publicly as I do privately because that's I'm in the business of speaking and I'm in the business of idea advancement.

00:05:35.000 So people come to me and they say, Charlie, you know, I'm in a lawyer at this law firm, a partner.

00:05:40.000 I own this business and I wish I could be you because you're able to say the same thing in a work setting that you're able to say in a private setting.

00:05:47.000 And so that kind of, as you say, congruency, it's actually very liberating.

00:05:52.000 I don't have to pretend to be somebody in a different environment.

00:05:55.000 And also, I just have decided to completely disassociate myself with anyone that has any form of nastiness or vitriol just as a compulsory friendship.

00:06:05.000 I've just discontinued those.

00:06:07.000 Which, you know, it's funny.

00:06:07.000 It is.

00:06:09.000 It's funny you say that because, look, I see you in videos.

00:06:12.000 I see you on the socials.

00:06:14.000 And you have immersed yourself in, frankly, what I would consider nastiness, frankly.

00:06:20.000 You know, with the rallies you go to and on campus and what you subject yourself to.

00:06:26.000 I don't know if I can handle it.

00:06:28.000 Is that because of your mission?

00:06:30.000 Is that your purpose?

00:06:31.000 Like, what keeps you going in those hostile environments?

00:06:36.000 Yeah, I don't find, I actually kind of enjoy the idea collision because I actually think it's good for our country to have different ideas be presented against each other.

00:06:46.000 I don't love being screamed at by some of these apparatches.

00:06:48.000 I mean, I'm not a sociopath, so it's not something I find enjoyment about.

00:06:53.000 But I will say that I do think that it's beneficial when those conversations are occurring and happening, the millions of people that might be watching them in the future.

00:07:03.000 So when I go to a campus and some lunatic is screaming in my ear and about how awful of a person I am and all these sorts of things, at least I can have some form of peace that if I'm filming it, somebody might learn something from this in the future.

00:07:19.000 And so that kind of makes it in some ways worthwhile.

00:07:22.000 However, I wish what I was saying wasn't so deemed disagreeable.

00:07:27.000 I actually think what I'm saying is pretty normal stuff.

00:07:30.000 And it's just the Overton window has changed so dramatically in our country that if you dare say there are only two genders or that there's a war on men or that we shouldn't judge people based on their skin color, you're all of a sudden deemed worthy of cancellation and outrage.

00:07:46.000 And I obviously don't subscribe to that.

00:07:49.000 So I think, again, it's a mission-driven thing.

00:07:52.000 I actually really believe in this stuff, which is what drives me to continue to do it.

00:07:58.000 You know, it's funny you talk about these ideas that I think, you know, 30, 40, 50 years ago weren't controversial.

00:08:05.000 You know, I think about myself.

00:08:07.000 I have four kids.

00:08:07.000 I already told you that.

00:08:09.000 I believe in God.

00:08:10.000 I believe men are men and women are women.

00:08:12.000 I believe in traditional family values.

00:08:15.000 I wouldn't have thought that that would be counterculture.

00:08:17.000 I've never considered myself a rebel, but it seems to me that more now more than ever that I'm the rebellious one because I have all of these traditional values.

00:08:26.000 And it's a very interesting thing that these types of things that we know with 100% certainty lead men and families and women and society to a better life have become controversial.

00:08:39.000 That's right.

00:08:40.000 And now all of a sudden, those of us that believe in taking responsibility for yourself and for your family, not blaming other people for your circumstances, applying yourself correctly, finding a good and moral aim, all of a sudden this is considered to be controversial.

00:08:58.000 And I think it's actually really dangerous for our country to do that and for our civilization to do that.

00:09:03.000 I mean, if you get, if you're now married and you are faithful, that person, with children, you are now the exception, not the rule.

00:09:12.000 Right.

00:09:13.000 That's really an incredible thing when you think about it.

00:09:15.000 And it's also a very dangerous thing.

00:09:16.000 And so you also asked early on, you know, how am I able to do it?

00:09:20.000 It's also what I don't do.

00:09:22.000 I haven't had a drink in a very, very long time.

00:09:25.000 You know, I think that we, if you look at successful people, obviously don't do drugs or any of that.

00:09:31.000 But for myself, I would not be able to do what I do if I were to be doing the substances that most of the people in this world do.

00:09:37.000 And I think that there's a lesson here that a lot of people need to realize that there's a reason why they're trying to tell you to do alcohol all the time.

00:09:45.000 There's a reason why they're trying to do that.

00:09:46.000 And it's really to keep you down.

00:09:48.000 And I think that you can actually become a much more, and again, I'm not actually morally against drinking.

00:09:53.000 Let me be very clear.

00:09:53.000 I'm not trying to make people feel bad if they're doing that.

00:09:56.000 I'm purely talking about it from a utilitarian perspective.

00:09:59.000 Just let me be very clear.

00:10:00.000 But I don't think I biochemically would be able to do what I do if I indulge in the same form of casual drinking that most of the country has been the last six months in particular.

00:10:12.000 I think what a lot of men do is they sedate themselves because, you know, the reality of their situations are difficult and demanding.

00:10:12.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:10:20.000 And they learn from their parents and they learn from society because we have this entire generation of fatherless homes how to respond to difficult circumstances.

00:10:31.000 You know, and all of us have difficult circumstances, whether it's the wake of COVID or, you know, we've lost a job or we deal with a family with a medical condition.

00:10:42.000 It's such a travesty that so many men have not learned to address this in a positive manner and instead have learned that the way you deal with it is to sedate yourself.

00:10:53.000 And that's what I see more and more of.

00:10:56.000 Yeah, and nothing good happens after you're drunk.

00:10:58.000 And that a lot of people that make it is it is truly, and I hate to use this term because it's overused, it's a gateway to other bad things.

00:11:05.000 You will make other discussions, you have to say things you don't mean.

00:11:08.000 You might hurt somebody you don't mean to hurt, both physically or otherwise.

00:11:13.000 And then it also makes you less responsible, more likely to fall into a pattern of behavior that you're not going to be able to take responsibility for your actions.

00:11:22.000 And again, I'm not morally against it.

00:11:23.000 I want to be very clear.

00:11:24.000 I'm not trying to make anyone feel worse if they're doing that thing.

00:11:28.000 I'm just saying it actually will make you in the long term a much unhappier, much more unhappy and less likely to be able to take the meaningful type of responsibility you need to in your life to be able to succeed.

00:11:42.000 Yeah, I like this because I think what we hear a lot from, you know, the quote-unquote self-help gurus is: here's what you need to do: have a schedule, work a plan, be disciplined, and all the things that you should do.

00:11:52.000 And none of those are wrong.

00:11:53.000 I agree with that.

00:11:54.000 But we don't hear from those of us who tell us, okay, well, here's what you need to eliminate from your life: eliminate the sedation, eliminate the toxicity, eliminate those friends who aren't serving you so you can free up a path to be able to pursue, like you talked about, your mission, whatever it is for you.

00:12:13.000 Yeah.

00:12:13.000 Completely.

00:12:14.000 And so, I mean, again, I'm someone that has a great passion for what I get to do.

00:12:19.000 I do it every single day.

00:12:20.000 There are no days off.

00:12:23.000 I don't have more talent than anyone else in this space, but I outwork everybody.

00:12:27.000 And I don't mean that braggadociously.

00:12:29.000 It's just we have done that for seven and a half, eight years, and we're going to continue to do that.

00:12:34.000 Let me pause you right there, Charlie.

00:12:35.000 Is that, let me ask you about your work ethic?

00:12:37.000 Because I recognize that to be true.

00:12:40.000 Is that something that is innate within you, or is that something you've developed?

00:12:45.000 That's something I feel like I have as well.

00:12:48.000 But I don't know if everybody has that same sort of drive and desire to just grind it out.

00:12:54.000 And it seems like you do.

00:12:55.000 Most people don't.

00:12:56.000 Most people don't.

00:12:57.000 And I don't know where it came from.

00:12:59.000 My parents always taught me and showed me what hard work looks like.

00:13:02.000 My father, being an architect, would work till 1:30 in the morning every single morning for most of my life.

00:13:09.000 He'd come home for dinner and then go back to work till 1:30, then wake up at 8 a.m. and do it all over again.

00:13:14.000 That was the kind of culture I grew up around.

00:13:16.000 And I mean, just looking at my high school life, I was always signing up for more activities, always working harder.

00:13:22.000 I don't know if it's built into you.

00:13:24.000 I can't quite pinpoint it.

00:13:25.000 All I know is that I have known nothing my entire life other than being hyperactive and apps.

00:13:31.000 And there's one, there's a really important thing, though.

00:13:34.000 Some of these people will go to some of these conferences that you just mentioned and they'll be fired up and they will start putting in those long hours.

00:13:40.000 But the minute that any sort of adversity hits them, it's brittle and they shatter.

00:13:45.000 And so it's not just being able to put in the long hours and work till 11 p.m. every single night and wake up at 6 a.m. and work Saturdays and work Sundays and do not drink and don't do drugs and stop watching mindless television and get rid of your video games, all that sort of stuff, right?

00:14:03.000 Again, if you're able to do a great life with those things, terrific.

00:14:06.000 I love freedom.

00:14:06.000 So good for you.

00:14:07.000 I'm just telling you what works for me, right?

00:14:09.000 And so I don't mean this in a way where I'm trying to make someone feel bad or you're a bad person.

00:14:13.000 I'm going to keep saying that because sometimes people read into it too much.

00:14:17.000 I think our listeners here are a little bit more aware than that, where they're willing to take these in context.

00:14:26.000 I've got these messages where people say, well, you know, people say, well, Charlie, do you think I'm a bad person because I have a beer once a week?

00:14:31.000 It's like, I've never seen that.

00:14:32.000 Yeah, people are incapable of context and discernment for sure.

00:14:36.000 So that's good.

00:14:37.000 And so, but to go to go a step further and a level deeper on this, though, if we kind of look at what, so people use self-help exercise and they have no capacity to withstand suffering.

00:14:50.000 The hardest thing to do is to keep going when you really come across something that requires perseverance, when you have someone betray you, when you have someone come after you that wants to destroy your career, when you have a contract fall through, when you have a project that doesn't go the way you wanted it to, when you get a very angrily worded email from a donor in our world, you know, in our nonprofit world, that's who we raise money from.

00:15:19.000 How do you deal when that happens?

00:15:21.000 And that's really when your toughness comes through.

00:15:25.000 And we have created one of the most fragile generations in the history of humanity.

00:15:32.000 We've done it through our school system.

00:15:34.000 We've done it through our pop culture.

00:15:36.000 We've done it through a variety of different ways.

00:15:39.000 And I know the name of this program is the Order of Man, but just for young men out there, we have fully grown infants.

00:15:46.000 Most young men in our country are not young men.

00:15:49.000 They do not deserve that title.

00:15:51.000 They are responsible for nothing.

00:15:54.000 They have no direction at all whatsoever in their life.

00:15:56.000 They have no capacity to be able to endure opposition or suffering.

00:16:00.000 They have no direction and no aim whatsoever.

00:16:03.000 And they're just infants. 0.94

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00:17:22.000 It's a great point.

00:17:23.000 And this is exactly why we make the distinction between males and men.

00:17:27.000 You know, I look at my boys, for example.

00:17:30.000 I've got three boys and I've got one little girl.

00:17:32.000 And I look at my boys, and nobody expects them to be men.

00:17:35.000 They're immature.

00:17:36.000 They're overly emotional.

00:17:38.000 They throw temper tantrums occasionally.

00:17:41.000 They don't know how to respond to situations with dignity and class and intelligence.

00:17:46.000 Nobody expects them to.

00:17:48.000 But it would be a shame if I saw my young boys grow into adult age without learning how to mature.

00:17:56.000 The question I have is: how do we begin to foster this in a generation of young boys and girls who are growing up without fathers? 0.84

00:18:08.000 Yeah, it's really hard because then the women have no aim to go marry and the men have no aim to go to basically harmonize with or try to embody, right?

00:18:19.000 So women need strong fathers because they want a role model to be able to eventually go marry somebody like that. 0.92

00:18:26.000 Sure.

00:18:26.000 And then men, and that's not the only reason, by the way.

00:18:29.000 That's just a very, that's one of the most important reasons.

00:18:32.000 And then a man needs, a young boy needs a male father figure so he knows what to aspire to, so he knows what to try to become.

00:18:41.000 And when you break that down, your civilization will start to fall apart.

00:18:45.000 But it's also, I see two parent households where the roles are reversed, where the female has become the male and the man has become the woman. 0.53

00:18:55.000 And it is masculine women and feminine men.

00:18:59.000 And you kind of hear the stereotype on some comedy shows and stuff, but it's actually really true, which is the kind of metropolitan beta male, where if you looked hard, you couldn't find an ounce of testosterone in some of these men.

00:19:12.000 And they take responsibility for nothing.

00:19:14.000 And they've almost kind of turned themselves into this androgynous, very unclear form of a once man, now newly found woman. 0.70

00:19:25.000 And that's a very dangerous thing for a country and for a civilization. 0.89

00:19:29.000 And so, what do we do for young men?

00:19:31.000 And I know this.

00:19:31.000 Look, so first of all, we are over-medicating young men.

00:19:34.000 That's number one.

00:19:35.000 No doubt.

00:19:36.000 We don't talk about this enough.

00:19:37.000 If I would have grown up today, I would have been on ADHD or ADD, I should say, attention deficit disorder medication.

00:19:45.000 You heard my schedule.

00:19:46.000 I can't find enough stuff to do.

00:19:48.000 I love being active.

00:19:50.000 School is not designed for people like me.

00:19:52.000 I could never sit still in second, third, and fourth grade.

00:19:55.000 I could never focus on what the teacher was telling me.

00:19:58.000 I would always be active.

00:19:59.000 I'd be up on my feet.

00:20:00.000 That's just who I am.

00:20:02.000 And that's how a lot of young boys are.

00:20:03.000 But my parents, to their credit, despite the pill pushers and people trying to intersect themselves, said, We are not putting our kid on medication.

00:20:10.000 He'll grow up.

00:20:11.000 He'll find his voice.

00:20:12.000 He'll be fine.

00:20:13.000 That was the best thing they could have done for me.

00:20:15.000 Whereas now, someone like me, you know what should worry everyone?

00:20:19.000 There are thousands of people like Charlie Kirk that are being medicated right now because parents are not holding the line against the over-medication push in our country.

00:20:30.000 And I would say, Charlie, on that is: I know you're a big fan of making sure we use the right verbiage.

00:20:37.000 And so you're saying over-medication.

00:20:39.000 And technically, that's true, but I would say it's more over-sedation.

00:20:43.000 Can you imagine sedating a child, you know, an eight-year-old child who's got creativity and passion and enthusiasm?

00:20:52.000 And you say to yourself, if you had to recognize it for what it truly was, say, you know what?

00:20:57.000 I don't like all that passion.

00:20:59.000 Let's strip away a little bit of that passion by popping you full of pills so that you'll conform and toe the line and do what you're supposed to be doing.

00:21:07.000 Yeah, so yeah, you're right.

00:21:08.000 Sedation is absolutely a better term.

00:21:09.000 And look, if someone has a legitimate medical condition, unrelated to your capacity and not focus, but what happens is these entire school systems have been feminized.

00:21:18.000 It's designed for women by women to be taught by women and for women.

00:21:21.000 That's fine.

00:21:22.000 Women are much more agreeable than men, and boys in particular are incredibly disagreeable. 0.73

00:21:27.000 They can't sit still.

00:21:29.000 They need to be involved in the learning process.

00:21:32.000 That's why recess is important for young boys and not as important for young women.

00:21:36.000 And so young women are thriving in our country.

00:21:39.000 And in fact, I would make the argument that every metric that they're thriving at is not, it's actually in some ways at the expense at times of men. 0.73

00:21:48.000 And that I'm not saying that women are the problem, but the fact when 60% of college graduates are now women, there's no equilibrium there. 0.55

00:21:57.000 And that comes at some expense because the school system has been so hyper-feminized, where young women are more than willing to sit and go through an entire class without moving.

00:22:09.000 A fourth grader, a young boy, forget it.

00:22:11.000 That's not what for two hours, that's asking a lot out of a young boy.

00:22:15.000 I mean, I can't even know, I can't even do that as an almost 40-year-old man at this point.

00:22:19.000 So let alone an eight-year-old child.

00:22:21.000 Let alone in the digital age where they have a dopamine rush every time that their phone bings.

00:22:26.000 And I'll get into that in a second if we, you know, if you want to go in that direction.

00:22:30.000 Where also, in additional, additionally to that, so what do we do for young boys?

00:22:34.000 Let me just kind of go back.

00:22:35.000 So we're overly sedating them. 0.99

00:22:36.000 We're hyper-feminizing their learning environment. 0.99

00:22:39.000 And also, the way that we educate them just to the curriculum is absolute garbage. 0.97

00:22:43.000 Young men from a very young boys from a young age are being taught that men are the enemy and women are good and you must make yourself more feminine in nature. 1.00

00:22:54.000 This is garbage. 1.00

00:22:54.000 It's nonsense. 1.00

00:22:55.000 It's foolish. 0.98

00:22:56.000 For example, the literature that we teach young boys that they have to read, they don't want to read Little House on the Prairie. 0.98

00:23:03.000 They would rather read a biography about Teddy Roosevelt.

00:23:06.000 And so we, biographies are the best way to get young boys' attention.

00:23:10.000 Why?

00:23:11.000 Because young boys want somebody to emulate.

00:23:16.000 They want a hero.

00:23:17.000 They want to resonate with that. 0.92

00:23:18.000 Why does Little House on the Prairie resonate with young women? 1.00

00:23:21.000 They want a family to nurture, and young, they're much more relational.

00:23:25.000 So, so, so, books that are much more in dialogue form, women do a lot better when they're in the fourth, fifth, and sixth grade.

00:23:32.000 Much more the adventure form, young boys do a lot better.

00:23:36.000 That's why Mark Twain was such an incredibly important author for the formation and the hero spirit for our country.

00:23:43.000 We don't teach that anymore because they used a word they don't like.

00:23:45.000 I mean, just grow up.

00:23:47.000 And so, that's the second, the other thing.

00:23:48.000 And then finally, if I had to put like third, the first being sedation, second hyperfemination of our school/slash curriculum.

00:23:53.000 The third thing is this, is that we do not challenge young men for their call to adventure.

00:23:59.000 Young men need to be challenged.

00:24:01.000 And I mean this. 1.00

00:24:02.000 This is why football is such an important part of our country and they're trying to destroy that too.

00:24:05.000 I don't think football is for everyone, but it was important for me.

00:24:08.000 I could tell you in my life, when I was an eighth grader, football really made me grow up very quickly.

00:24:14.000 Saying yes, sir, no, sir, to a strong male figure that made you be on the line at the exact time, being able to run wind sprints, hierarchy, order, discipline.

00:24:22.000 For me, football really got me in the line.

00:24:25.000 For all that distracted energy that I had in the classroom, football was, I had meaning.

00:24:29.000 I had fulfillment.

00:24:31.000 I had camaraderie.

00:24:32.000 And you know what?

00:24:33.000 The physical combativeness, I loved that, right?

00:24:36.000 I loved being able to get out and have the blood flowing and testosterone.

00:24:41.000 That was awesome.

00:24:41.000 And again, it's not for everybody.

00:24:43.000 I fully recognize that.

00:24:45.000 But I can tell you, it made me a more complete and fuller human being.

00:24:49.000 And so we don't do that kind of call to adventure as much anymore.

00:24:52.000 And outside of the football analogy, we need to be challenging 16-year-olds to take responsibility for their life. 1.00

00:24:58.000 Here's how you treat women. 0.75

00:25:00.000 Here's how you talk.

00:25:01.000 Here's how you communicate.

00:25:02.000 Here's how you sit up straight with your shoulders back.

00:25:04.000 You look clearly in people's eyes.

00:25:06.000 All those sorts of things are completely lost.

00:25:08.000 And now we have, and Jordan Peterson has said this so many times, we have the Peter Pan equivalent of the lost boys.

00:25:14.000 We have tens of millions of fully mature infants or males that are not men, that have no responsibility.

00:25:21.000 They own nothing.

00:25:22.000 They're full of substances.

00:25:24.000 They're overweight.

00:25:25.000 They have no direction. 1.00

00:25:27.000 And they're cowards. 0.99

00:25:28.000 And I can go into that further as to why that's obviously the problem. 0.99

00:25:30.000 I think it's pretty self-evident.

00:25:32.000 Yeah, I like the lost boys analogy.

00:25:34.000 The analogy I've used quite often too is Lord of the Rings, you know, where, you know, you don't, or excuse me, Lord of the Flies, sorry.

00:25:40.000 Where you don't have exactly the same.

00:25:42.000 Yeah.

00:25:43.000 No, Lord of the Flies and Lost Boys are exactly the same type of idea.

00:25:47.000 You're governed by the infants, basically.

00:25:49.000 Right, right.

00:25:50.000 And so what happens without that clear male, masculine, authoritative figure is they begin to take it upon themselves.

00:25:58.000 And this is, I think, a big reason why we see the rioting and the vandalism and the violence and the looting, because these young men, these boys, regardless of what age they are, have never learned to toe the line.

00:26:11.000 You know, you talk about football.

00:26:12.000 I had a football coach who got on my face.

00:26:14.000 I remember when I went to basic training, I saw the guys that I went to basic training with.

00:26:19.000 I could tell you, just in the first 24 hours, who was accustomed to having another grown man up in their face yelling at them and who was never accustomed to that.

00:26:29.000 Who grew up without a father?

00:26:30.000 Who grew up without playing sports?

00:26:32.000 I could tell because they broke within a 24-hour timeframe versus the men who played sports, who had dads in their lives, were unbreakable, were unshatterable at that point.

00:26:44.000 I like what you mean.

00:26:44.000 It was brittle, right?

00:26:46.000 And so what the feminists have done and the weak men is they say that that's inherently abusive. 1.00

00:26:52.000 Look, I had coaches that probably borderlined on abusive. 0.97

00:26:55.000 And I don't mean physically, okay, I don't, but emotionally, they really pushed the envelope on that.

00:27:00.000 It made me a stronger person.

00:27:01.000 Okay, it did.

00:27:02.000 Made me a stronger person.

00:27:03.000 However, I wouldn't wish that upon somebody else.

00:27:05.000 However, they were the minority.

00:27:06.000 The vast majority of the coaches I had, they pushed me to the level to make me better.

00:27:11.000 When they screamed and yelled at me, it wasn't that I was scared.

00:27:14.000 It was they wanted you to get to that next level.

00:27:17.000 They wanted you to become a stronger person.

00:27:18.000 They expected you to take responsibility for yourself. 0.99

00:27:21.000 And so what the feminists have done is they say all of that moral discipline, all of that male involvement, all of it is wrong because of the few examples of abuse. 1.00

00:27:32.000 Therefore, we must feminize everything. 1.00

00:27:33.000 They know that's a really bad idea. 1.00

00:27:35.000 Okay.

00:27:36.000 In fact, it's a civilizational ending bad idea.

00:27:39.000 Somebody said something to me the other day, and I don't remember what it was.

00:27:42.000 It might have been on a Starbucks or something where someone said, man, I have to go adult today.

00:27:47.000 I said, excuse me.

00:27:48.000 You've heard this verb or like whatever.

00:27:50.000 It's a noun, adult.

00:27:51.000 I guess I have to go adult.

00:27:52.000 It's a verb.

00:27:52.000 It'd be a verb.

00:27:53.000 Yeah.

00:27:53.000 I have to go adult.

00:27:54.000 It's if it's something I have to do.

00:27:56.000 And I asked, I said, do you mean that in a negative sense?

00:27:58.000 Like, yeah, I don't really want to do it.

00:27:59.000 I said, and I thought to myself, I said, okay, I just ended the conversation.

00:28:03.000 And I really sat down.

00:28:04.000 I turned off my phone.

00:28:05.000 I thought to myself for five minutes because I was so, it was just such a train wreck.

00:28:11.000 This is how you destroy your entire civilization when someone thinks that adulting is bad.

00:28:16.000 It's like, oh, I got to go adult right now.

00:28:18.000 Basically, and it goes back to a philosopher by the name of Jean-Jacques Rousseau.

00:28:22.000 A lot of the American left, and I don't want to overpoliticize this.

00:28:24.000 It's just true.

00:28:25.000 A lot of the political left believes in this, which is they prefer the infant over the adult and the primitive over the civilized.

00:28:31.000 He wrote that explicitly, Jean-Jacques Rousseau did.

00:28:34.000 And he inspired Karl Marx.

00:28:36.000 And that is exactly where they want young boys to stay, is in this state of perpetual infancy.

00:28:43.000 You know, it's funny.

00:28:44.000 You talk about this.

00:28:47.000 We'll use the term.

00:28:49.000 I don't even know if I want to use this term.

00:28:50.000 I was going to say emotional abuse, but you have these coaches, right, that were towing the line. 0.95

00:28:54.000 But what's interesting is you have women around the world.

00:28:56.000 Yeah, I get it.

00:28:57.000 I understand.

00:28:57.000 And I've been there too.

00:28:58.000 I've had great coaches and I've had dicks and I've had everywhere in between. 0.92

00:29:01.000 Precisely. 0.86

00:29:01.000 But you know what? 0.86

00:29:02.000 You kind of become tougher because of it, to be honest.

00:29:04.000 So anyway.

00:29:04.000 Right.

00:29:05.000 As long as you have the balance of the proper type of coaching to outweigh the negative coaching.

00:29:12.000 Because otherwise it becomes abuse, right?

00:29:14.000 And then you start to buy into it.

00:29:16.000 Yeah.

00:29:17.000 No, no, no.

00:29:18.000 And I think that critique is a valid one by the people that are saying, I think a critique either internally or externally, that's a valid one.

00:29:25.000 What I think the prescription to try to fix it is to abolish all hierarchies of male pouring into young people is a disaster. 0.59

00:29:34.000 And that's where they go immediately. 0.60

00:29:36.000 But anyway, the same can be said, though, for terrorizing women, where women can terrorize other women and where teachers or whatever, older sisters to younger sisters, girlfriends to girlfriends, or for women teachers to male students.

00:29:53.000 So it's not exclusively elusively this idea.

00:29:55.000 I mean, you're exactly right.

00:29:56.000 The emotional manipulation that I've seen in some women, just in hearing conversations with men, is absolutely insane.

00:30:02.000 And frankly, society has bought into that generally. 0.73

00:30:05.000 You know, you look at, for example, the family court system and this level of emotional manipulation from women to ostracize men from their children, for example, is a real threat, not only to those men and their children, but to society in general. 0.95

00:30:20.000 So I think women are just as guilty. 0.77

00:30:22.000 And I'm not putting it all on them, but just as guilty of emotional manipulation as any man could be. 0.98

00:30:28.000 Yeah, and the idea that one sex or one gender has a monopoly on the manipulation exercise is foolish and it doesn't look at any sort of reality or empirical experience at all. 0.90

00:30:40.000 It's anti-empiricist.

00:30:42.000 And so, yeah, and look, so when you ask yourself, how do we create stronger men?

00:30:47.000 How do we create a country where we have men take responsibility?

00:30:51.000 First of all, parents need to do a much better job and most of them aren't.

00:30:54.000 They're doing a horrendous job.

00:30:56.000 Young men should not get a smartphone till they're 16 or 17 or 18.

00:30:59.000 It's that simple. 1.00

00:31:00.000 Do not give them a phone. 0.73

00:31:01.000 These things are designed and programmed to have you be slaves to the Silicon Valley tech oligarchs.

00:31:08.000 They are designed to be biochemically addictive, no different than big tobacco.

00:31:12.000 They've admitted this in congressional testimonies, that they have created these devices to be addictive for young people.

00:31:17.000 If you're a parent out there, take the phone away from your kid if they are not 16 years old and go buy them a jitterbug, which is just a phone that they can call you in a time of emergency.

00:31:24.000 That's how I grew up.

00:31:25.000 And praise God, it was that way.

00:31:27.000 If I would have grown up in today's society getting phones when kids are eight, nine, 10 years old, I would have been a wreck.

00:31:33.000 I would have been a quasi-cyborg where a lot of these people are being raised.

00:31:37.000 I agree.

00:31:38.000 For my two oldest, we have these gizmo watches is what they're called.

00:31:42.000 So they're just a watch.

00:31:42.000 They're synced to our data plan or whatever.

00:31:45.000 And they can call me, my wife, and maybe two or three other people.

00:31:48.000 And there's a few little minor games, but all of the games on there are centered around physical activities.

00:31:53.000 So it's like, how many jumps can you do in 60 seconds, right?

00:31:56.000 But outside of that, no access to anything else because I just think there is a larger plan at play here to stray or to have our children stray away from their mothers and their fathers.

00:32:12.000 And so here's what it seems to be working.

00:32:15.000 Here's my test.

00:32:15.000 If you will not give your kid a firearm at that age, do not give them a smartphone.

00:32:20.000 You think it's that dangerous?

00:32:22.000 No, I know it is. 0.99

00:32:23.000 When we have seen a 200% increase in suicide for pre-teen women since the smartphone mobile age, we have seen a dramatic increase in teenage suicides, self-harm, hospitalizations, cocaine, alcohol usage, glorification, glorification of the worst aspects of society, the objectification of women. 0.98

00:32:41.000 There's no doubt. 0.99

00:32:42.000 Most people would only use, so it's kind of funny.

00:32:47.000 Do I think it's, I think it could be more dangerous than a firearm?

00:32:49.000 Absolutely.

00:32:50.000 I mean, a firearm is only used if a bad person uses it.

00:32:53.000 I know almost everybody that would have a smartphone would agree that it's made them a less human human being.

00:32:59.000 So if you are not willing to, if you don't trust your child to give them a firearm, then do not give them a smartphone.

00:33:05.000 It's that simple.

00:33:06.000 And by the way, once they're at that age, that's fine because it takes responsibility to be able to deal with these things.

00:33:10.000 They're weapons.

00:33:11.000 And not only that, but training.

00:33:13.000 You know, I look at my oldest.

00:33:14.000 He's 12 and he's used a firearm.

00:33:16.000 In fact, we're going hunting this afternoon.

00:33:18.000 I found some turkeys on our lower property.

00:33:20.000 We're going out this afternoon whilst you and I are done here.

00:33:22.000 I'm a big believer in young men being able to use guns early, by the way.

00:33:25.000 I think it's a very important thing.

00:33:27.000 As long as they have the structure, the guidance, the discipline, and everything that goes behind it, it's not, yes, technically it is a weapon, but also it's known as a tool.

00:33:37.000 But you have to know how to use the tool effectively.

00:33:40.000 And I agree with that with smartphones, internet, et cetera, et cetera, that it's only as effective as you use it.

00:33:46.000 And our children are not mature enough to be able to use this effectively.

00:33:50.000 No, but I just want to reinforce the point, though.

00:33:52.000 And you might have seen the documentary, a Netflix Social Dilemma.

00:33:56.000 Maybe not.

00:33:57.000 A lot of people are talking about it.

00:33:58.000 I deleted my Netflix account, but one of my friends let me see it.

00:34:02.000 I cannot reinforce this point enough.

00:34:04.000 These social media platforms are way more dangerous than you realize.

00:34:08.000 They have algorithms that manipulate, monitor screen time, listen to your conversations, and track 12, 13, and 14-year-olds' needs, wants, interests, desires, anxieties in a very, very manipulative way.

00:34:20.000 And they are social programming our children.

00:34:23.000 And they've admitted to this.

00:34:24.000 And so that's why I try to use that analogy of firearm versus people usually think, what are you talking about?

00:34:29.000 That's kind of provocative.

00:34:30.000 No, it's 100% true.

00:34:33.000 And that's the type of level that we have to have at this because I'm telling you that we are creating a more anxious, depressed, and suicidal generation because of these devices.

00:34:46.000 Well said.

00:34:47.000 I mean, I know that to be true.

00:34:49.000 I see my kids as friends who are involved in these things that, you know, are seemingly, you know, innocuous or, you know, not that dangerous.

00:34:57.000 And I can see the difference.

00:34:58.000 Clearly, I can see the difference.

00:35:00.000 And it's a real shame.

00:35:02.000 And then we bought into the lie that, you know, this is what we need to be able to operate, right?

00:35:06.000 And so we introduce these things to our kids young and it becomes a trap for them.

00:35:11.000 Yeah, it's very dangerous.

00:35:13.000 It's not going to end well.

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00:36:37.000 I want to shift gears a little bit.

00:36:39.000 You know, one of the first things you said is how involved and how much weight and emphasis you place on quote-unquote your mission.

00:36:47.000 What would you say your mission is?

00:36:50.000 I mean, I hate to phrase it this way.

00:36:52.000 I'm trying to save the country.

00:36:54.000 So, I mean, we've been given this incredible from, boy, from people who are not grateful that they live in this country.

00:37:03.000 I mean, we have a counterinsurgency ideologically and culturally that quite honestly have a completely different vision for America.

00:37:11.000 And I'm trying to save it from, I hate to be this political about it.

00:37:16.000 I'm trying to save it from the bitterness and ingratitude of the left.

00:37:20.000 I'm trying to save it from people that, quite honestly, they're angry that they live in America, not thankful that they live here.

00:37:27.000 And I also believe very firmly that a country's ability or inability to communicate our founding values, our core values, and morals to young people, that will basically predict or be the judge of whether or not your country will continue to exist.

00:37:46.000 And we have things so good in this country.

00:37:48.000 We have grown so comfortable.

00:37:51.000 It's so convenient.

00:37:52.000 It's so easy that we have no idea how easy this thing can all crumble.

00:37:58.000 And I deal with the most radical voices on the left.

00:38:02.000 I see their ideas being mainstreamed and platformed on a daily basis, where police departments are being defunded in Minneapolis and murder rates are up 40%, where pedophilia is being decriminalized in California, where Section 145 decriminalizes pedophilia, where I see cuties on Netflix.

00:38:20.000 If this is not a fire alarm, for those of us that just believe in decency and believe in normal American values, I'm obviously a conservative and I'm not unafraid to talk about it.

00:38:30.000 However, if you're not even political, this should concern you because there's a disintegration happening in front of our very eyes.

00:38:37.000 And so, I mean, I hate to put it in those terms, you know, save the country, but that's basically what I try to do.

00:38:43.000 Yeah, I don't think that's off, you know, and I don't think you need to hate putting it in those terms because, you know, I believe a lot of people.

00:38:50.000 I just don't want to make myself seem like I'm an Avenger character or something, but yeah, it's like I am trying to save the country.

00:38:55.000 I mean, let's be honest, you know, a lot of us are in the industry, not only of informing, but entertaining too.

00:39:00.000 And so, you know, maybe we use some of that hyperbolic language, but I believe when you say something that you don't mean it to be inflammatory, you don't mean it to grandize.

00:39:13.000 You're doing it because you genuinely believe it.

00:39:16.000 And there's some integrity there.

00:39:18.000 Look, there's going to be people who don't agree with me or you.

00:39:20.000 I know you're a polarizing figure, but at least there's some integrity here.

00:39:24.000 Now, you don't try to be, but just through the nature of society, you are, right?

00:39:29.000 And I think anytime you find somebody who's convicted so strongly as you are, there's going to be people who are strongly convicted and the exact opposite.

00:39:37.000 And that's what makes it polarizing.

00:39:39.000 No, I think that my question, again, I don't disagree with that.

00:39:41.000 Go ahead.

00:39:42.000 Well, my question is, why the hostility?

00:39:45.000 You know, like, now look, I happen to agree with a lot of what you have to say, probably 99% of what you say.

00:39:51.000 But let's take the 1%, or even if it was more, I can't imagine myself being so hostile towards you or anybody else that, you know, I'd wish you violence or death or any catastrophe to fall upon you.

00:40:03.000 But it seems to me that not only are we polarized, we wish violence on people.

00:40:08.000 I don't understand where this is stemming from.

00:40:13.000 I mean, it's part of a belief that has grown from postmodernism in our country where they believe dialogue and discussion is dangerous and not just dangerous.

00:40:22.000 They think it's evil.

00:40:24.000 Look, there's two ways to govern human beings.

00:40:26.000 Aristotle said it best.

00:40:28.000 We as human beings are the speaking beings.

00:40:31.000 So Aristotle, of course, the student of Plato, who is the student of Socrates, the ancient classics that built ancient Rome, kind of the birthplace of a lot of the ideas that we discuss here in the West.

00:40:43.000 Aristotle famously said, what makes us different than any other creature on the planet is we can talk.

00:40:48.000 We should not forget that.

00:40:50.000 So there's two ways to govern humans.

00:40:53.000 One way is through talking and speaking, convincing, reasoning, getting together in a room and coming together and saying, this is a bad idea.

00:41:00.000 It's a good idea.

00:41:00.000 Let's have some nuance, some compromise.

00:41:03.000 The other way is by force.

00:41:03.000 Okay.

00:41:04.000 I have a bigger army, a bigger sword, and I'm willing to use it. 1.00

00:41:08.000 Shut up. 0.98

00:41:08.000 Most of human history has been governed by force, not talking and speaking. 0.98

00:41:14.000 The American idea, the American experiment, was let's govern by speaking and talking.

00:41:21.000 So now we have a devolution back to this idea of governing by force.

00:41:26.000 I cannot get a liberal to talk to me on my podcast.

00:41:28.000 I can't find one.

00:41:30.000 I'll go talk on any liberal podcast.

00:41:30.000 Why?

00:41:32.000 They never invite me on theirs, and they won't come on mine.

00:41:35.000 They believe speech is evil.

00:41:38.000 They believe that if they come talk to me, they're validating a dialogue that will only make the country less likely from being made in their image.

00:41:48.000 So I want to make the differentiation between leftists and liberals.

00:41:51.000 Leftists do not believe in speech.

00:41:53.000 Liberals generally do.

00:41:55.000 I can't find many liberals out there.

00:41:57.000 And it's funny you say this.

00:42:00.000 I was going to say, Charlie, it's funny you say this because I know as we release this conversation between each other, I'm going to get a lot of messages like, I can't believe you give him a platform.

00:42:12.000 Look, why wouldn't I?

00:42:15.000 Why wouldn't I?

00:42:16.000 Look, if your information is good, wouldn't we want to know?

00:42:19.000 And if your information is bad, wouldn't we want to expose that?

00:42:23.000 Just tell me one thing I've said that's wrong or reprehensible and come tell me about it.

00:42:27.000 That's my whole thing.

00:42:28.000 I mean, just to reinforce it, I go to a college campus. 0.99

00:42:31.000 I sit down there for three hours and anyone can come up to me with their own camera and film me and make me look like an idiot at any time. 0.99

00:42:40.000 I sit there and I wait for you. 0.86

00:42:42.000 And I got the inspiration from, you know, Steven Crowder, who's terrific, just sat there and said, come up to me.

00:42:49.000 Talk to me about it.

00:42:49.000 Got a problem with me.

00:42:50.000 If we stop talking, we are going to get into brute physical conflict.

00:42:54.000 I don't want that. 0.74

00:42:55.000 BLM does.

00:42:56.000 They're burning down cities. 1.00

00:42:58.000 They're being validated by mainstream Democrats.

00:43:01.000 They're being bailed out of prison.

00:43:03.000 They're being told that if you have a need to loot, you can loot.

00:43:06.000 They're being allowed to destroy the fabric of our society.

00:43:09.000 Why don't you talk about things?

00:43:11.000 Because again, you read their literature, read Michelle Foucault, you read Jacques Derrida, you read Herbert Makusa, you read the Frankfurt School literature.

00:43:19.000 They believe dialogue is the problem.

00:43:22.000 They took exception with Socrates.

00:43:24.000 They do not think speaking is important.

00:43:27.000 What you and I are doing here is healthy.

00:43:30.000 It's robust. 0.97

00:43:31.000 If I say something really foolish, you're going to tell me that. 0.67

00:43:34.000 If you say something really good, I'm going to compliment you. 0.92

00:43:37.000 Again, we are speaking beings.

00:43:38.000 This is what makes us different than primates. 0.69

00:43:41.000 You get rid of that, then you're going to tear each other's heads off.

00:43:45.000 And that's where we were for 3,000, 4,000 years.

00:43:47.000 And so I, um, yeah, I'm pretty, I'm more worried about the direction of our country than ever before because we've completely lost that.

00:43:57.000 Then we have tech companies that kick people off just because they have different opinions, which is a very real threat.

00:44:02.000 And they have far too much power, these tech companies do.

00:44:05.000 Something I can agree with the left on if they're actually honest about it.

00:44:08.000 So, yeah, look, these are these are legitimate things.

00:44:10.000 So, look, the country, the country is not going to continue to survive at this pace.

00:44:14.000 And so, it's a very dangerous, dangerous trajectory.

00:44:14.000 It's just not.

00:44:18.000 How do you bring people to the table?

00:44:20.000 You know, I mean, I think about it, for example, when people say, Oh, Ryan, you're in an echo chamber.

00:44:24.000 And yeah, I actually agree with that to some to some degree because those who view things differently than me, and I'm sure you're experiencing this as well, like you just said, they won't talk to you, right?

00:44:37.000 And so, like, I'll have you on, and guys will say, Well, why don't you have somebody from the left on?

00:44:40.000 It's like, who?

00:44:42.000 Go find one.

00:44:43.000 Who?

00:44:44.000 Like, I'll talk with them.

00:44:46.000 Who? 1.00

00:44:46.000 Yeah, but those men are poisonous. 1.00

00:44:50.000 I mean, just the name of your podcast, an entire political party thinks that they think your podcast name is evil. 0.96

00:44:56.000 And you had Maisie Hirono during the Brett Kavanaugh hearings tell men to sit down and shut up.

00:45:01.000 I mean, this is a mainstream American political party that's been trying to destroy the man for quite some time now.

00:45:07.000 So, how do you bring these people to the table, though, Charlie?

00:45:10.000 I mean, that's the question is: can you?

00:45:12.000 I don't.

00:45:13.000 I mean, what I'm trying, what I'll give two names in particular, James Lindsay and Peter Bogogian.

00:45:17.000 They're two liberals that did come on my podcast to actually bash the same things that you and I are bashing, believe it or not.

00:45:23.000 They came to me saying that the left is unafraid to talk.

00:45:27.000 So, that, and I guess that's the best way to do it.

00:45:30.000 I'm going to keep on going into their environments to try to have these discussions.

00:45:35.000 I don't know.

00:45:36.000 And there's not a lot of things I'll answer with the answer, I don't know, because I'm not saying I know a lot.

00:45:41.000 I just usually have an answer to a couple things.

00:45:45.000 If they're unwilling to engage, if they're unwilling to lock into any form of a dialectic, it's almost a non-starter.

00:45:53.000 And we're reinforcing it with our five-year-olds and our six-year-olds and our seven-year-olds.

00:45:56.000 And it's really interesting.

00:45:58.000 Back in the 80s and 90s, a big fear from the left is they would say, We can't give power to all those Christians because they're going to be fundamentalists and they're going to come after us.

00:46:07.000 And it's going to be a theocracy.

00:46:08.000 You probably remember this period in American history.

00:46:10.000 Of course.

00:46:11.000 And the exact opposite has happened.

00:46:14.000 As America became more secular and the left took power, they became evangelical, not Christian evangelical.

00:46:20.000 They're the ones that are basically, they think this is like a holy war.

00:46:23.000 They think, like, if you don't agree with me, I'm going to destroy your life.

00:46:26.000 And kind of, if you don't agree with me, I'm kind of like, all right, whatever.

00:46:29.000 That's fine.

00:46:30.000 I guess, sure.

00:46:31.000 I don't obsess over it, but these people are so convinced to destroy you if you do not hold their opinion.

00:46:39.000 It's incredibly pathological.

00:46:42.000 Do you, I'm just taking some notes, Charlie.

00:46:45.000 So as I look down, I don't want you to think I'm checking my phone or anything.

00:46:47.000 I'm taking notes.

00:46:48.000 But, you know, as the things you say and the situations you expose yourself to, do you fear for your safety?

00:46:58.000 Well, I mean, I get death threats.

00:46:59.000 I've had to get the FBI involved.

00:47:00.000 You know, we've had our house deemed, you know, targeted many different times.

00:47:05.000 I can't walk in a college campus without 10 armed guards, helicopter support at times. 0.98

00:47:10.000 I have security and stuff, but these people are cowards. 0.87

00:47:12.000 If they want to do something against me, whatever.

00:47:15.000 I mean, that's part of the game.

00:47:17.000 The physical safety piece of it, I think, is mostly bluster and empty threats.

00:47:21.000 And if someone really has a problem with me, then come find me.

00:47:25.000 And, you know, I'm not trying to say that in some sort of tough guy way, but I've been kicked out of restaurants.

00:47:30.000 I've been physically threatened.

00:47:31.000 I've had stuff thrown at me about Antifa, follow me through the streets.

00:47:34.000 I've had all that sort of stuff.

00:47:35.000 And so when you say I'm convinced, you're right.

00:47:38.000 I've been fighting these people for quite some time.

00:47:41.000 Yeah, I think I saw, it must have been a couple of years ago, you and Judith Owens, if I believe.

00:47:47.000 Yeah, were you in a restaurant or you were in a break?

00:47:49.000 Yeah, we were in a breakfast together in Philadelphia.

00:47:51.000 Yeah, the Green Eggs Cafe, minding her own business, and Antifa came mobilized, came into the restaurant, ran us out of the restaurant, threw objects at us.

00:48:00.000 Police had to come, you know, and all white liberal, white, white Antifa liberals screaming at a black conservative, saying that she's not black.

00:48:09.000 Interesting. 0.92

00:48:10.000 Yeah, isn't that an interesting thing?

00:48:12.000 I think, oh, I mean, let's talk about that for a second.

00:48:15.000 Let's talk about race. 0.84

00:48:16.000 You know, I think a lot of this is, you know, the powers that would be trying to light a fire a little bit and to instigate.

00:48:27.000 And you see these type of conversations.

00:48:28.000 I'm really curious about your take on race just in society in general as it is currently.

00:48:35.000 Yeah, I think we're actually a lot less racist and more decent to each other than BLM Incorporated and any of the activist media would ever lead you to believe.

00:48:42.000 In fact, I'll go to say that we're the least racist, most accepting country ever to exist in the history of the world, ever.

00:48:49.000 And let me just go back by saying I grew up in an America in 2008 to 2012.

00:48:54.000 I went to high school in the suburbs of Chicago, a 53% English as a second language high school.

00:48:59.000 So I went, I was, as a white person, I was a minority as a white person in my high school, Wheeling High School.

00:49:04.000 You can look up the demographic info.

00:49:06.000 It is a majority Hispanic high school.

00:49:08.000 My best friends were everything from illegal aliens to immigrants from Jamaica to African Americans to blacks, you name it, right?

00:49:14.000 Polish.

00:49:16.000 I say this with a lot of reflection being done to this. 1.00

00:49:21.000 We did not care about each other's skin color.

00:49:24.000 We looked at each other as human beings.

00:49:25.000 And I grew up in that post-racial America. 0.82

00:49:27.000 I experienced it. 0.97

00:49:29.000 I know it can happen.

00:49:30.000 I lived through it.

00:49:31.000 We treated each other decently.

00:49:33.000 Everyone had the same opportunity as anyone else in our public high school.

00:49:37.000 There was an institutional racism. 0.99

00:49:39.000 There was any crap. 0.99

00:49:40.000 It didn't exist. 0.99

00:49:42.000 So that's why I take a very firm stance on this race issue.

00:49:46.000 And so whatever they might say, we're systemically racist.

00:49:49.000 We are not.

00:49:49.000 We're absolutely not.

00:49:51.000 And so they point to a couple subset of statistics. 0.99

00:49:54.000 They say, well, blacks are doing worse than whites. 0.98

00:49:57.000 I say, wait a second. 0.93

00:49:58.000 You mean that if you look at the data, a black child married to, a black child who is raised by a mother and father who stay loyally married is far more likely to succeed than a white kid that is raised by a single mother.

00:50:13.000 It's that simple.

00:50:14.000 It is not a race issue.

00:50:15.000 It is a father issue.

00:50:17.000 And we have subsidized fatherlessness from the top down to the Great Society Act.

00:50:20.000 We've emasculated fathers.

00:50:21.000 We've been through that.

00:50:22.000 Our public school system has been hyper-feminized.

00:50:25.000 And you repeat that cycle over the last couple of decades.

00:50:28.000 Yeah, you're going to get the outcomes you get.

00:50:30.000 That's not a racism problem.

00:50:31.000 That's a family problem.

00:50:33.000 And here's another great example as to how we're not a systemically racist country.

00:50:36.000 And again, I lean in on these race issues.

00:50:38.000 No holds bar.

00:50:40.000 You know, most people are afraid to have these conversations.

00:50:42.000 You're not allowed to talk as a, they're like, oh, you're not allowed to say this is a white man.

00:50:45.000 I'm like, why? 0.78

00:50:45.000 Right, you're white. 0.78

00:50:47.000 Look, I'm a white, straight man.

00:50:48.000 And I know you've heard this more than me.

00:50:51.000 Every time somebody says that, I'm like, oh, so what?

00:50:54.000 I'm not allowed to have an opinion.

00:50:56.000 I'm not allowed to share my perspective because I'm white.

00:50:57.000 Some of them believe that you're straight. 0.99

00:50:59.000 This is ridiculous. 0.93

00:51:00.000 Well, and by the way, truth transcends skin color. 0.99

00:51:02.000 So I couldn't, whoever believes that, you're racist.

00:51:04.000 You're judging people by the color of your skin.

00:51:06.000 But the greatest example of all this is Nigerian immigrants to America.

00:51:09.000 Nigerian immigrants to America are the most successful immigrant ethnic group to America over the last 25 years.

00:51:14.000 They're black.

00:51:16.000 And they've succeeded unbelievably well.

00:51:18.000 In fact, I could read an article from Ozzy.com, Ozzy.com, which is a left-wing publication generally.

00:51:25.000 They're partners with Vox and many others, where they say we need more Nigerian immigrants in America because they succeed at such high rates.

00:51:33.000 So either Aussie, the far left-wing publication, either they hate Nigerian immigrants because they want them to come to a systemically racist country, or they actually might be looking at the same data that I am, which is that we're not systemically racist.

00:51:46.000 Why do Nigerians do so well in this country?

00:51:48.000 I'll tell you why.

00:51:49.000 In the Nigerian culture, family is everything, everything.

00:51:53.000 In Nigeria, they have the highest birth rates of any country in Africa.

00:51:56.000 They're the most populated country in Africa.

00:51:58.000 The Nigerian culture, for whatever reason, and there's plenty of good books written on this, is a country and a culture of monogamous marriage, of intergenerational families supporting and living with each other, of working hard, of valuing education.

00:52:13.000 So if Nigerians can do so well in this country with coming with nothing and entering with nothing, and these are liberal publications that are saying this, by the way, Bloomberg, Ozzy, Vox, you name it.

00:52:23.000 You can look it up.

00:52:24.000 Just type in Nigerian immigrant success stories.

00:52:26.000 And the data shows it.

00:52:28.000 They do better than white Americans in our country. 0.93

00:52:30.000 Maybe the country's not rigged for just a skin color. 0.95

00:52:33.000 Maybe the country's set up to reward choices.

00:52:36.000 And so I just, I am really exhausted looking and viewing it.

00:52:43.000 Personal Pilot do not understand the landscape.

00:52:46.000 They don't understand the statistics or data, but they're incredibly driven emotively by a couple issues in the news that they're supposed to be outraged about, even though they know nothing about it, like the Breonna Taylor case, which is ridiculous.

00:52:59.000 Made a whole video on that.

00:53:00.000 Happy to dive into that if you want to, where you're told to be mad about something when the data does not reflect any bit at all whatsoever.

00:53:08.000 Well, you know, the hard part is, is that most of us, and look, I've fallen prey to this as well.

00:53:12.000 It's like, I don't need the data.

00:53:13.000 Just give me the clickbait.

00:53:15.000 You know?

00:53:16.000 And so you look at these titles and it's like, oh, I got everything I need.

00:53:20.000 Well, no, you actually don't because not only is there not more information buried in the article, there's more information that goes on behind the scenes that is not even in the article.

00:53:30.000 Yeah, I mean, let me tell you something we should be worried about in our country right now.

00:53:33.000 We're on pace to have 500,000 less children next year than this year.

00:53:37.000 That warrants a nationwide conversation.

00:53:39.000 Let me tell you a real crisis in our country.

00:53:41.000 It's not police officers killing black people, okay?

00:53:44.000 That happens less likely than you are to be struck by lightning, just so you understand, statistically.

00:53:49.000 A real crisis, one in four young people have contemplated suicide in the last 90 days, according to CDC.

00:53:55.000 When no real crisis, antidepressants are now the most prescribed medication for the people under the age of 30.

00:54:00.000 Alcoholism, cocaine, self-harm, hospitalizations, they're all up.

00:54:03.000 You want to know a real crisis?

00:54:05.000 100,000 small businesses have gone under since March.

00:54:09.000 So the media, in their hypnotic ways, the simulation, as I like to call it, they're telling you to believe the sequence of lies.

00:54:18.000 And this is propagated by LeBron James and by the National Basketball Association and the National Football League and our major corporations that we're systemically racist.

00:54:27.000 First of all, no, we're not.

00:54:29.000 Second of all, there are 280 other issues that I could list ahead of policing in America as the biggest issue in our country.

00:54:37.000 Family formation, drug addiction, sedating our children, communicating our values, literacy rates.

00:54:42.000 All those things matter abundantly more.

00:54:44.000 As I mentioned, birth rates going down.

00:54:46.000 Most people don't talk about this.

00:54:48.000 Go to the Brookings Institution study from June of this last year, June or July, published by Bloomberg.

00:54:54.000 Civilizational collapse upcoming, the unintended consequence of the coronavirus.

00:54:59.000 So we're on pace to have nearly a cut in half of our birth rate, and no one knows this.

00:55:05.000 Wow.

00:55:06.000 That's interesting.

00:55:07.000 You know, it's funny.

00:55:08.000 You say this because just last night we had some friends.

00:55:10.000 I live in Maine.

00:55:11.000 We had some friends come.

00:55:12.000 Oh, I love them.

00:55:13.000 That's beautiful.

00:55:14.000 They're from Utah.

00:55:15.000 They came up here and we were talking with her.

00:55:21.000 Her daughter-in-law is about to have her 101st grandchild.

00:55:30.000 Wow.

00:55:31.000 I can't even.

00:55:32.000 I'm thinking about that.

00:55:32.000 I'm like, I can't believe that.

00:55:33.000 Are they from Utah?

00:55:34.000 They're from Utah, of course, right?

00:55:35.000 Yeah, of course.

00:55:36.000 Large families.

00:55:37.000 Probably LDS.

00:55:38.000 Yes, of course.

00:55:40.000 And I am too.

00:55:41.000 So, like, I completely understand that.

00:55:43.000 We have large families.

00:55:44.000 We bring a lot of kids into the world.

00:55:45.000 I think it's great.

00:55:45.000 Don't get me wrong.

00:55:46.000 I'm applauding it.

00:55:47.000 I think it's awesome.

00:55:48.000 I've talked with people who are very, very concerned about bringing kids into the world in this environment.

00:55:54.000 And I can't personally think of a better way to reverse the trend of society than to bring an army of young men and women who are raised in righteousness into this world to reverse the trends that we're seeing in society right now.

00:56:07.000 Completely.

00:56:08.000 Yes.

00:56:09.000 And so one of the major reasons why people say they're not having kids is because of fear.

00:56:13.000 You're right.

00:56:13.000 Number two is socioeconomic reasons.

00:56:16.000 And then also, just three, that we socially isolate ourselves so much.

00:56:20.000 And this sounds really strange.

00:56:21.000 We have more single young people than married young people.

00:56:25.000 We have a crisis of young men that are afraid to approach women because they're afraid they'll be accused of something.

00:56:29.000 They're uncomfortable in that kind of situation or scenario.

00:56:32.000 And they have no masculinity in themselves at all whatsoever to be able to have a meaningful relationship.

00:56:38.000 Right.

00:56:38.000 So, yeah, this has long-term generational consequences to it.

00:56:44.000 Where, yeah, look, the federal government, this is what people say, well, what would you do about this politically?

00:56:48.000 Because I try to have somewhat of a solution for every problem. 0.96

00:56:52.000 We should sell the federal lands out west to young families under the age of 30 for almost dime on a dollar to go have many children. 0.99

00:57:00.000 We should make it easier to have big families. 1.00

00:57:06.000 It sounds oversimplified, but I would have to agree.

00:57:09.000 You know, I've heard it's homesteading, is what it is.

00:57:13.000 I mean, that's part of the reason we moved out here.

00:57:16.000 You know, we've got just under 50 acres.

00:57:17.000 We moved out here.

00:57:18.000 We homeschool our children.

00:57:19.000 We have for the past two years now.

00:57:20.000 We've got big family.

00:57:22.000 We've got neighbors who have big families.

00:57:23.000 And I love this style.

00:57:26.000 You know, one of the things I'm seeing, and I think this is very deliberate and intentional, is a dismantling not only of the family unit, but also of the church.

00:57:34.000 And I think the church, in a lot of ways, has replaced the family unit.

00:57:37.000 That's where people gain a lot of their values from and understand how we operate successfully in society.

00:57:44.000 You know, and I've heard people that you're connected with talk about how culture precedes politics, right?

00:57:51.000 And this is exactly what we're talking about: a culture of family, a culture of values through the church, whether that's the LDS church or the Catholic church or some denomination of Christianity.

00:58:01.000 This is where our values are derived from, and it's being dismantled right before our eyes.

00:58:06.000 Yes.

00:58:06.000 And the church is now playing in a lot of different churches.

00:58:10.000 And obvious, you know, exceptions are my pastor, Rob McCoy, and many others that do such a great job, you know, communicating these values.

00:58:17.000 Is now a lot of them are complicit in these disintegrationist movements of our country.

00:58:22.000 So, um, well, I think we bought into the notion as a Christian that somehow I don't think it would be this this deliberate, but almost that we're supposed to be weak as opposed to meek.

00:58:35.000 And that's actually the reason I reached out to you.

00:58:37.000 I've had you on my radar for a long time because I followed what you're doing.

00:58:40.000 And I listened to the conversation last week or a couple of weeks ago that you had with Pastor Rob.

00:58:44.000 And I thought, man, I really got to pull the trigger on this and get Charlie on the podcast.

00:58:48.000 Thank you.

00:58:49.000 What you guys shared was so, so powerful.

00:58:49.000 Yeah, man.

00:58:52.000 And I love to hear not only from you, but from Pastor Rob, strong Christian men who are unafraid to share your perception of the way that we can make this society better.

00:59:06.000 And it seems like there's a lot of Christians out there who are afraid to do it.

00:59:10.000 And it's a question of how do you want yourself to be governed?

00:59:13.000 It's a question of civil society is not a place where Christians should compartmentalize our worldview.

00:59:20.000 We should be actively involved in it.

00:59:21.000 And so in California, when they're passing SB 145, which decriminalizes pedophilia, and the American church is generally silent on that, we'll be judged for that.

00:59:30.000 Oh, my goodness, will we be judged for that?

00:59:33.000 And so, you know, I can go through a variety of different reasons and disappointments and struggles with that, but the American church needs to rise up in huge numbers right now.

00:59:41.000 And if your pastor still has your church closed or is bowing to BLM Incorporated or this lie of systemic racism or critical race theory, leave that church.

00:59:49.000 Do it respectfully and do it lovingly.

00:59:51.000 Get out.

00:59:52.000 It is not worthy your time or your tithes.

00:59:55.000 I actually saw a video just before you and I hopped on the call of, he must have been a pastor of a church and he was outside in what looked like a parking lot and there was circles spray painted in the parking lot and they were distanced.

01:00:10.000 And so he had his congregation there.

01:00:11.000 Well, the video was him being arrested.

01:00:13.000 You know, his congregation was there.

01:00:15.000 They were singing hymns.

01:00:16.000 They were worshiping and he was being arrested.

01:00:18.000 Is that where it was?

01:00:19.000 Okay, because apparently because he had, I don't know, no mask on or because he congregated all these people or whatever, whatever the reason was.

01:00:26.000 Crazy.

01:00:28.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:00:28.000 And look, this is, they're going to keep, and by the way, BLM Incorporated can march through the streets and destroy and savage our cities and act like thugs and criminals. 0.99

01:00:37.000 And they don't get arrested for that.

01:00:39.000 But pastors open their church and they get criminalized and they get arrested for that.

01:00:44.000 Man, it's time for the church to wake up to this.

01:00:47.000 Well, and I think this is where the silent majority needs to stop being so silent.

01:00:52.000 You know, I think of myself and I'm like, you know, I just want, really, here's what I want, Charlie.

01:00:58.000 I want to be left alone.

01:01:00.000 I want to do my work.

01:01:02.000 I want to raise my kids.

01:01:04.000 I want to work my land.

01:01:06.000 And I just want to have some experiences with a little money in the bank account.

01:01:09.000 That's it.

01:01:10.000 And if you could just leave me alone to do that, that would be fine.

01:01:12.000 And traditionally, that's been the case for the last almost four decades of my life.

01:01:17.000 It seems to me that there's a real reason for me to stop being so silent and actually get involved at this point.

01:01:23.000 Yeah, and we have an opportunity to do that in November.

01:01:26.000 And I'll tell you that if you want to be left alone and work your land, Joe Biden's not your guy.

01:01:31.000 I'll tell you that.

01:01:32.000 But, you know, President Trump, he has delivered amazing results for our country.

01:01:37.000 And it really is a referendum on what kind of country we want to live in.

01:01:40.000 One that respects speech and wants to go about our differences in a civil way or one that you want to take to the streets.

01:01:46.000 And so that's what I'll be working on from now to the election.

01:01:50.000 I have no doubt you will.

01:01:51.000 Hey, personal question for you.

01:01:53.000 You seem to be somebody who is very, very, very well researched.

01:01:57.000 You have all this information.

01:01:59.000 Obviously, you're an intelligent human being.

01:02:01.000 How do you balance being well researched, but then also taking so much time to be able to articulate and communicate that with the public?

01:02:10.000 Because sometimes it seems like those are at odds with each other.

01:02:13.000 I can either research or I can communicate.

01:02:15.000 How do you balance that out for yourself?

01:02:17.000 Yeah, every night I turn off my phone and I do at least an hour and a half to two hours of reading and research, watching lectures, reading great books, listening, you know, reading good articles and thoughtful scholarship.

01:02:28.000 And then I try to bring that over into the next day.

01:02:31.000 And so just was working through Aristotle recently, which is where I kind of derived some of my comments today, where I found what he taught, taught, you know, spoke about speaking, kind of funny, so important.

01:02:41.000 And so I tell everyone, read more and speak less.

01:02:44.000 It's very important.

01:02:44.000 So if I'm doing three hours of podcasting a day, I should be reading more than that.

01:02:48.000 And that's a lot of time.

01:02:50.000 You know, I value scholarship and research a lot.

01:02:53.000 And again, I'm constantly learning.

01:02:56.000 The more I learn, the more I realize how little I knew when I thought I knew it all.

01:03:03.000 You talk about it being a lot of time, but it's no more time than any other man, myself included, has in a day.

01:03:09.000 It's just how we spend it.

01:03:10.000 That's right.

01:03:11.000 That's exactly right.

01:03:13.000 Well, Charlie, I want to be respectful of your time on that note and just let you know I appreciate what you're doing.

01:03:17.000 I appreciate your willingness to share in the face of an uphill battle at times, it seems like, but a noble fight for sure.

01:03:27.000 So thank you for joining us.

01:03:28.000 Thank you for doing what you do.

01:03:29.000 And I really appreciate you being willing to show the righteousness of that as well.

01:03:33.000 I appreciate it.

01:03:34.000 Talk to you soon.

01:03:35.000 Thank you.

01:03:35.000 Thanks, brother.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - October 12, 2020

Restoring Masculinity in the Next Generation

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