00:00:00.000Hey everybody, Tan the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:00:01.000Senator Josh Hawley joins us to talk manhood and then the FBI, a pretty amazing whistleblower, joins us to tell us about what's really going on in the FBI.
00:00:48.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:57.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:02:05.000Strong men are not a threat to our democracy, as the left says all the time.
00:02:09.000Strong men are the key to our democracy, to preserving it, to renewing it, to reviving it.
00:02:14.000And so what the book is about is what does it look like to be a strong man and holding up role models, looking especially at the Bible, the faith of our fathers.
00:02:23.000You know, what does it look like to be a good man, to be a husband, to be a father, to be a warrior, to be a builder, somebody who contributes something, and to be a priest, as I say, somebody in touch with eternity and a king, someone who's going to bring order and goodness and freedom to where he goes.
00:02:38.000So the book is all about encouraging men.
00:02:43.000And it's about calling them to something higher.
00:02:45.000So the opposition will say this is toxic masculinity.
00:02:49.000And Senator, there's a war on men in our country, a deliberate one, where, and we're seeing it with the suicide rates, with disenfranchising, young men that are just disconnecting from society altogether.
00:03:01.000I'm sure you're going to be doing as much media as you're allowed on this.
00:03:04.000But Senator, how will you respond to, you know, a critic that says, oh, no, no, toxic masculinity is the issue in America?
00:03:12.000You know, the problem with the left is, Charlie, they say that all masculinity is toxic.
00:03:18.000I mean, if you look at what they actually say, the so-called leftist experts, they say stuff like, healthy masculinity is like healthy cancer.
00:03:28.000The problem isn't that masculinity is toxic.
00:03:31.000The problem is we have lost touch with what masculinity is, thanks largely to the left.
00:03:36.000Thanks to them saying things like, if you're a boy and you want to be a boy, there's something wrong with you.
00:03:41.000If you want to go out there and provide and protect that there's something wrong with you, saying that traditional manhood contributes to the systemic evils of America.
00:04:26.000You can get too totalitarian, not compassionate enough, but we're so far in the feminine direction.
00:04:31.000We never asked the question, what does toxic femininity look like?
00:04:34.000Whereas society has zero influence on the masculine.
00:04:37.000And so if you go read this 1970s booklet, this stuff they used to teach in sociology class, where they said, here are masculine traits and feminine traits.
00:04:44.000Let me just read a couple of things on the feminine traits.
00:04:46.000Gets overly offended too easily, dependent on others, passive, impressionable, subjective, emotional, and likely to be impressionable by others.
00:04:56.000That sounds like almost where society has gone.
00:06:27.000Teddy Roosevelt, maybe you talked about Moses, who I think is one of the great figures of the Bible, who was really a man's man in a lot of different ways.
00:06:33.000Who are some of the men of the Bible or of history you talk about in your book that we should try to emulate?
00:06:39.000Well, let's start first with the Bible.
00:06:41.000And Charlie, I make no apologies for the fact that I spend a lot of time talking about Bible stories in this book.
00:06:47.000Listen, the Bible has been the foundation of Western culture.
00:08:08.000In Genesis 12, it sets up the entire narrative of the Old Testament because we have this guy, Abram, that out of nowhere.
00:08:16.000So we have, you know, we have creation, we have the fall, we have Cain and Abel, we have Noah, we have the flood, we then have the city of Babel.
00:08:24.000And all of a sudden, history kind of starts in Genesis 12, where I think there's a lot of parallels where Abram, leave your father's home, man, go on an adventure.
00:08:35.000I think we need a little Abram, eventual Abraham energy in our culture.
00:08:47.000And we need an Abram-Abraham generation, right?
00:08:50.000A generation of men who say, gonna leave dad's house, gonna get out of the basement, gonna go on an adventure that is basically to go start a new world.
00:09:30.000I mean, Sodom and Gomorrah, probably rather tragic, you know, for him to witness.
00:09:35.000But, you know, even earlier than that in the scriptures, Genesis 2, 24, this is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife and they become one flesh or he cleaves to the flesh.
00:09:46.000And so we're called, it's a biblical commandment.
00:09:48.000And we wonder why are so people, you know, upset and depressed.
00:09:54.000There's a rhythm to our existence that we are suppressing with the excesses of modernity, one of which is you can kind of become this androgynous, metro-sexual, dopamine screen addicted person and you become miserable and depressed.
00:10:09.000And you're wondering, is there more to life?
00:10:11.000And I want to talk about fatherhood, Senator.
00:10:13.000You're farther ahead in the journey than I am, but I find it to be important to kind of celebrate it to young men, but also be honest about the challenges, about the difficulties.
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00:12:30.000So, Senator, just walk us through the why you wrote this book, because you're a senator.
00:12:35.000Usually, when senators write books, there's one of two books, right?
00:12:39.000Which is I'm going to run for president book, and I just kind of regurgitate the same 25 stories of American history and with platitudes and the same chapter titles, ghost written by the same very average Washington, D.C. book writing people.
00:12:56.000Or the second book is some sort of policy book, right?
00:12:58.000You know, here's something I care about, which was your other book and was super important, right?
00:13:02.000But you're doing something that's in a third category.
00:13:26.000And as my boys get to the age where I begin to think more and more about, okay, you know, how am I going to help them?
00:13:32.000How am I going to do my duty by them as a dad?
00:13:34.000How am I going to help them grow up to be the men that God called them to be, the men America needs them to be?
00:13:40.000That's what got me thinking about this book.
00:13:42.000And I just think about the young men who I once upon a time taught back when I taught law for a while.
00:13:47.000When I think about the young men I had the privilege to meet all over Missouri and all over this country.
00:13:52.000And I've had young person after young man after young man say to me, man, I just feel like they're not great role models out there.
00:13:58.000So I wrote the book to put forward what I think is once upon a time our culture's vision and is still the Bible's vision of what a good, strong man is.
00:14:09.000And then we talk about it, that he should be a husband and a father and a builder and a warrior and a priest and a king.
00:14:15.000And I go through and I tell stories from the Bible.
00:14:18.000I tell stories from my own life, people who were significant to me.
00:14:21.000And it's about putting forward that positive vision and calling men to be all that they can be, which is what this country needs them to be.
00:15:09.000We've sent almost 4 million of them to China.
00:15:12.000So you want to talk about application here.
00:15:14.000We need to bring back good paying blue-collar jobs in this country.
00:15:19.000So men can start a family, can support a family on one income, and can do it by working with their hands, working at a trade, working at things that make them proud.
00:15:29.000And the elites in this country have made that almost impossible.
00:15:32.000So the number, I'm going to approximate here, but American Compass did the numbers and Oren Cass, but it's been proven through third-party peer-reviewed research.
00:15:40.000In the 1980s, it was about 38 weeks a year to support, work a year to support a family of four, 38 weeks.
00:15:57.000Or, Senator, this is where the left goes really nuts.
00:16:00.000The female, the wife, is forced into the workforce.
00:16:04.000Now, the ideal should be to be able to support the family that in critical developmental years, that the wife is not forced to go get another income, especially years from birth to 10 years old.
00:16:15.000Every piece of psychological literature shows that a present mother around for those times is irreplaceable.
00:16:21.000Senator, can you, a minute and a half, just riff on that a second?
00:16:26.000That what has happened, what the policy elites have given this country is a place where it is, first of all, if you're a blue-collar worker, it's increasingly hard to get a job in a trade.
00:16:35.000Number two, it's hard to get a job that pays anything.
00:19:13.000Well, I've lived a few years in the last six or seven months, but I'll try to invest my summit down as quickly as I can for you.
00:19:19.000I was with the FBI in 2014 until February of this year.
00:19:24.000Spent my first seven years working on Indian reservations in the Midwest.
00:19:28.000And then in 2021, relocated my family to Florida with the understanding I was going to be working child pornography cases.
00:19:35.000But after a few months, I was reassigned to work domestic terrorism with the understanding that that was mostly going to be January 6th cases.
00:19:43.000And that is when I had my first exposure to how the FBI is departing very greatly from its rules for carrying forward investigations.
00:19:51.000I had a couple of other alarming experiences that were associated with January 6th, and it ultimately led me to decide to come forward to my supervisor, my frontline supervisor, and make some protected whistleblower disclosures about my concerns about the rule departures and the heavy-handed tactics that the FBI is using.
00:20:11.000And that then started a process by which I went up the chain of command and expressing my concerns at every level, but was rebuffed, told throughout that process that I was jeopardizing my career, that my duty was to the FBI and not the Constitution, not the oath that I took.
00:20:26.000And it culminated with my suspension unpaid last year in September.
00:20:35.000I had my medical information leaked to the New York Times.
00:20:38.000I had an improper gag order placed on me by the FBI's inspection division.
00:20:43.000I was accused of inciting violence and denied the ability to seek outside employment because although I was unpaid, I was still technically considered an FBI employee.
00:21:30.000It's called the DIAOG, the Domestic Investigations Operations Guide, and it spells out how you're supposed to bring investigations forward.
00:21:36.000I'd opened about 200 cases in the years before getting reassigned to January 6th.
00:21:42.000And what's going on with January 6th is it should be one case run out of Washington, D.C., but instead, the FBI has elected to open a separate case for every single person who may or may not be a subject that day.
00:21:56.000And instead of on paper running them from Washington, D.C., they are spreading those cases around the country to all the field offices if the person happens to reside in that area.
00:22:05.000And that is creating this false illusion that domestic terrorism is on the rise in Sacramento and Cleveland and Milwaukee and Miami, when in fact all of those numbers are justified by the January 6th investigation, which for most people actually isn't a terrorism investigation.
00:22:24.000So what you're saying, so for example, just an immediate reaction: if Christopher Wray were to testify in front of the Senate and he'd say, you know, currently we have 1,900 active terrorism investigations in 15 different cities, he's really talking about maybe January 6th in a different way.
00:22:58.000They've already charged 1,000 people, and I was told that they were going to be charging another 1,000.
00:23:02.000They're going to extend the restricted area to outside the actual four walls of the Capitol to anybody that was standing on the lawn.
00:23:09.000They're just going to keep this going.
00:23:11.000And the most disgusting thing that nobody knows about and that I'm hoping to bring forward in this hearing is this is tied to compensation for senior executives within the FBI.
00:23:20.000Are there bonuses for how many people you put in prison?
00:23:24.000They predetermine their metrics before the fiscal year begins.
00:23:27.000And obviously, in this country, the demand for domestic terrorism now vastly outstrips the supply.
00:23:32.000So they're having a really hard time meeting those numbers.
00:23:47.000It's called integrated program management.
00:23:49.000It's a very McKinsey-esque consulting process that was brought about about 10 years ago.
00:23:54.000And wouldn't you know it, the terrorism statistics for the FBI have quadrupled in the last 10 years because they are trying to meet those numbers.
00:24:02.000And meeting them is always a challenge.
00:24:03.000But this is a five-year gift, essentially, until the statute runs up where executives are going to get their compensation.
00:24:09.000People are going to be able to claim that they are involved with the most important, sophisticated investigation of the history of the Department of Justice and promote out of there.
00:24:17.000And as a result, it's now just destroyed so many lives.
00:24:21.000Wait, so let's say that XYZ person out of the Denver field office doesn't hit their domestic terrorism white supremacy quota.
00:24:34.000I can't ever recall a time where they didn't hit the numbers because the pressure brought to bear and to generate fake numbers.
00:24:39.000And January 6th is the most egregious example, but that's just one example.
00:24:44.000I know of other instances where, you know, hey, we have a case with four subjects.
00:24:49.000Well, instead of one case with four, we'll open four with one.
00:24:52.000I was told and pressured that I needed to open an ISIS investigation on an individual who had no connection to ISIS because my division didn't have an ISIS case.
00:25:00.000Oh, because you have to justify the operation.
00:25:15.000Now, the DIOG are internal FBI protocols that have been implemented, but also agreed to with the checks and balances of Congress over rules of the road that when they get watchdogs, these are supposed to be followed.
00:25:31.000You're saying that for January 6th, they're not being followed basically at all.
00:25:39.000They're not being followed because while they can, by black letter law, those rules, they can open up a separate case if they want and spread it around if they want.
00:25:47.000Once that decision is made, the agents and the task force officers and the various field offices have responsibility for working those cases, but that's not what's going on.
00:25:56.000They're being run out of Washington, D.C., unofficially.
00:25:59.000And we were getting directives in my office in Daytona Beach from Washington on how to perform our own cases.
00:26:05.000And at the time, I brought my concern forward because I was very experienced in criminal investigations.
00:26:10.000And I thought, look, if these cases are righteous and I want to win at trial, we're going to lose.
00:26:16.000And I said to my boss, look, we have to disclose this information to the defense.
00:26:20.000This is exculpatory information that we've departed.
00:26:23.000And I'm worried that we're going to lose.
00:26:28.000But obviously, they know that the due process is not really a concern out of that Washington, D.C. district.
00:26:34.000Do you know of instances where the FBI was knowingly not withholding evidence that could have been exculpatory for the defendant?
00:26:43.000Well, it's my contention that on every single January 6th case, and I was hoping that the defense attorneys would get access to my whistleblower complaint, which is public, that that's information that should be brought to a jury to consider the fact that there is compensation tied to these cases.
00:27:01.000I think a defense attorney should be able to put the agent on the stand and say, Agent, did your boss get a bonus because you opened this case up?
00:27:07.000Yeah, I mean, yeah, these are incentives to try to get more Americans into jail.
00:27:24.000So I'm asking, in the last couple of years, and I don't know the answer to this, has there been a more radical type agent that you've started to work with versus some of the kind of 30, 40, or 50 year olds that have been around for 20 years?
00:27:40.000Is the actual individual agent, the rank and file, changing within the FBI at all?
00:27:47.000I think it is, but what you have to understand is the environment in the FBI is not really consistent across the board.
00:27:53.000You have the headquarters, very political dominion, and then you go out to the field offices, all the headquarters cities, and those can also be very political because the leaders are managers, they're not really leaders who run those offices go back and forth to headquarters in Washington so often.
00:28:08.000And then you have the rank and file agents who are just, like myself, just want to keep their head down and work their cases.
00:28:25.000They've gone out and tried out of their way to recruit intersectional candidates to take positions.
00:28:32.000And to me, it was just been a problem.
00:28:35.000It's been a lot of objection from many of the agents because take something like physical fitness.
00:28:39.000You don't have to be an Olympic athlete to be an FBI agent, but that's the only test along the way.
00:28:43.000And for me, it was a four-year process to get hired.
00:28:45.000That's the only test I knew the answers to ahead of time.
00:28:48.000And that sort of indicated a character quality of somebody who was willing to put goals forward and achieve those goals.
00:28:54.000But now that's not being met, and they're just really looking for people who are willing to go along to get along, to reach that GS-13 salary, make $130,000, and don't rock the boat.
00:29:04.000About 40 seconds remaining, I have to ask this in this segment.
00:29:11.000They fear being embarrassed very much, which is why three weeks ago they asked me, instructed me to redact multiple portions of the book that I'm coming out with next month, because at the end of the day, they're just incredibly embarrassing segments of that book.
00:29:24.000So they do, that's interesting because the appearance that we patriots get is that nothing phases them.
00:29:55.000Buy the book, True Blue by Stephen Friend.
00:29:58.000Very, very important book about how we are living in an open-air police state called the United States of America, where there are incentives, bonuses, quotas to try to get patriots in jail.
00:30:10.000Literally, that's your taxpayer-funded government.
00:30:13.000Can you just tell us about some of the intimidation that you've been receiving now that you're speaking out?
00:30:18.000Well, the FBI told me three weeks ago they wanted me to redact the portions of the book.
00:30:22.000There were threats in there about being out of policy, which doesn't really apply to me because I no longer work for them.
00:30:28.000But in my meetings with the security division, I was told that I may have committed felonies and that I had incited violence by writing op-eds in which I said it was a rhetorical call to arms to obey your oath of office.
00:30:42.000And my wife mysteriously lost her job a few weeks after my suspension.
00:31:23.000And it's effective because I can't tell you the number of times I could just pick up a phone call and say I was an FBI agent and people would give me very personal information just based on the fact that they'd seen that badge on TV and in movies and it had such a great reputation.
00:31:37.000So anything to tarnish that reputation, I think, is a grave threat to them.
00:31:41.000And it also exposes how their Promotion process where it's in fact elevating people who are not qualified as leaders to rise to the ranks and are just ignorant to the facts on the ground, have very little experience actually carrying investigations forward.
00:31:57.000That's some of the information that I'm bringing out, and they do not want that brought forward because being labeled competent is probably the most important thing to them.
00:32:10.000I mean, to protect the shield that I'll cause, I mean, I get the sense that they are a paranoid bunch, that they're afraid that some of their clandestine activities might actually one day come to the surface.
00:32:22.000They don't seem as if they're not acting innocent because I think deep down they might know they're doing something wrong.
00:32:49.000It means simple math, the man gave $90 million towards the cause.
00:32:54.000That's what ideological conviction looks like.
00:32:56.000And that's why he can stand in a senatorial hearing and say, I got a plane to catch Senator and walk out.
00:33:01.000But now with the House being in the hands of the Republicans and they have the appropriations ability, I'm hoping that they're going to leverage that and really get some results done.
00:33:09.000And most recently, the FBI refusing to cooperate with the source report documents about President Biden.
00:33:17.000Why not just say, hey, look, we're not going to raise the debt ceiling until you give us that information.
00:33:21.000When you were working at the FBI, when the Peter Strzzok and Lisa Page scandal hit, was there conversation about that?
00:33:27.000Was there kind of, did you see other chatter amongst agents like that?
00:33:31.000I mean, were people even aware of Andy McCabe and Comey when you were there, of that kind of behavior?
00:33:47.000But just based on reputation alone, I know that Andy McCabe was just kind of a, they used to say any old Andy will do in New York City where he worked.
00:33:56.000And Director Comey, when he came in, he brought this legitimate, ethical, beyond all reproach mentality that has now permeated throughout the leadership class.
00:34:09.000And the people that came up to the ranks, the people that came up are still in positions of leadership within the FBI, and they don't think that their judgments can be questioned.
00:34:18.000What percentage of current agents would you say view things the way you do, that find it to be improper or wrong?
00:34:27.000What percentage of agents do you think would want to speak out if they were protected?
00:34:53.000And they're worried about being steamrolled by the agency.
00:34:55.000But hopefully, the weaponization committee can elevate the whistleblowers and show us the protection that the law is supposed to provide us so that the people in a position that know the information can bring it forward to Chairman Jordan and to Chairman Comer.
00:35:09.000The book is True Blue by Stephen Friend: My Journey from Beat Cop to Suspended FBI Whistleblower, and he's testifying this Thursday.
00:35:17.000I am looking forward to that testimony very much.
00:35:38.000If you are part of their circle and then you speak out against them, look, whistleblowers, like Stephen right there, are one of the last bulwarks against tyranny.
00:35:48.000It's one of the last pressure release valves.
00:35:51.000People coming out and saying, no, no, no, I was in the agency and I saw them targeting Americans.