The Charlie Kirk Show - REWIND: Candace and Charlie on the Past 10 Years

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00:00:33.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:35.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.

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00:01:15.000 Candace Owens, what are your pronouns?

00:01:17.000 My pronouns are Z-Zerzim today.

00:01:20.000 Today.

00:01:21.000 Somebody asked me the other day, they said, how do you respond on a college campus if they require you to state your pronouns?

00:01:27.000 How would you respond?

00:01:29.000 If like you're in class or if you're-class or just some sort of like mandatory environment. 0.99

00:01:33.000 I probably would drop the course because if you have a professor that's supposed to be teaching you that's asking you something that's that stupid, you're probably not going to get much out of the semester. 0.92

00:01:41.000 You see the FBI Twitter file where the FBI agent Elvis Chan had his pronouns in the middle of it. 0.98

00:01:45.000 It's so embarrassing.

00:01:46.000 What embarrasses me is I just picture the Kremlin, right?

00:01:49.000 Sitting around when these things, like they must be having a good time.

00:01:52.000 You know what I mean?

00:01:53.000 Like we're not being taken seriously on the world stage anymore.

00:01:57.000 And that's what I always think of.

00:01:58.000 People that are adversaries of the United States have to be sitting back and laughing, going this country maybe has 10 more years when they, when the FBI starts putting pronouns in their bios and emails like pretending to be important, we're not in a good spot.

00:02:13.000 I mean, it is kind of the worst aspects of modernity.

00:02:16.000 The Twitter files, what's your original, like, what's your initial takeaway from that?

00:02:21.000 We already knew it.

00:02:23.000 I mean, I'm glad that we got more specific.

00:02:25.000 Like Charlie Kirk.

00:02:26.000 Okay, yeah, we figured that one.

00:02:27.000 I'm sure Candace Owens as well.

00:02:28.000 We're all on the list.

00:02:29.000 We know this.

00:02:29.000 We've been saying it for years.

00:02:31.000 It's nice to have the world have to acknowledge it and stop pretending that we're all conspiracy theorists.

00:02:36.000 You know, they say that the difference between the truth and the conspiracy is about, give it six weeks.

00:02:41.000 Because it's that short now.

00:02:43.000 It used to be two years.

00:02:44.000 It's mostly about five minutes these days.

00:02:46.000 But so, yeah, that's nice.

00:02:48.000 It feels good to have the press have to acknowledge that it wasn't just existing in our own heads.

00:02:52.000 But there wasn't anything I was surprised about.

00:02:54.000 I think I'm most excited for the Fauci files because that was a psychological experiment like we've never seen before.

00:03:01.000 And it just required total obedience.

00:03:04.000 And the social media companies were complicit.

00:03:07.000 And I'd like to see how far Dr. Fauci went if he inspired Elon Musk to say that my pronouns are prison prisoners.

00:03:14.000 Give us a shot.

00:03:15.000 And he said my pronouns are.

00:03:16.000 Oh, that Fauci for prison or something.

00:03:18.000 Fauci for prison.

00:03:19.000 And so for Elon Musk to tweet that when he's already been in the files, he has my attention.

00:03:23.000 That's all I'll say.

00:03:24.000 So before we go any further into that, Candace, you brought me to a meeting with Jack Dorsey.

00:03:30.000 I did.

00:03:31.000 We talk about, we have not talked about this in a very long time, but I talk about it on my show.

00:03:36.000 And I tell people, and I have so accurately assessed Jack Dorsey because I kept saying that I think people turned him into a boogeyman because he never really spoke out.

00:03:45.000 Like Mark Zuckerberg is very in your face.

00:03:47.000 I'm the CEO of Facebook. 0.91

00:03:48.000 And he's just very easy not to like because he looks like a lizard.

00:03:50.000 But Jack Dorsey was sort of quiet.

00:03:54.000 He had the Buddhist thing going on. 0.97

00:03:55.000 Right.

00:03:56.000 I'm sorry you've interrupted my meditation hour.

00:03:59.000 And I think that people thought that he was much more evil than he was.

00:04:02.000 And that my take from having met him several times was that he was very much a person who does not like attention, a techie, like just exactly what you would imagine somebody who was just a pure techie to be.

00:04:14.000 And he didn't know how to deal with this thing that he did create to make people more freer.

00:04:19.000 And he was almost like held hostage at his own company.

00:04:23.000 When you and I met with him that summer, I mean, you read him super well.

00:04:28.000 And I remember afterwards, we were walking in that kind of Twitter headquarters area and you said... Nice campus, by the way.

00:04:35.000 It was amazing.

00:04:36.000 And you said, Stockholm syndrome.

00:04:38.000 You said, this guy is being held captive by Yoel Roth was not in the meeting, but by these kind of engineers.

00:04:47.000 What do you remember from that meeting?

00:04:48.000 Because I remember some.

00:04:49.000 I wish I would have remembered more.

00:04:51.000 I just remember feeling like he was not in charge, which was a very weird thing to come in and to meet the CEO.

00:04:58.000 And I remember he was kind of slouched over.

00:05:03.000 He bites his nails.

00:05:04.000 This is not somebody who was confident.

00:05:06.000 It was somebody who had created something that was bigger than him.

00:05:09.000 And I felt bad for him.

00:05:10.000 And I knew that was such a weird thing to feel because you were supposed to hate everybody.

00:05:13.000 It was like, oh, hate him.

00:05:14.000 He's a part of this social media.

00:05:16.000 And I'm like, I don't think he likes Mark Zuckerberg.

00:05:18.000 I don't think he likes what's happening to his company, but he doesn't, he doesn't have that sort of a spirit to stand up to wrongness.

00:05:25.000 Not every single person is a warrior.

00:05:28.000 And I think it's very hard for warriors to understand that, right?

00:05:31.000 Because we sort of say, this is wrong.

00:05:33.000 I'm going to go into the fire and I'm going to take all the bullets.

00:05:35.000 And that's my perspective. 0.55

00:05:37.000 And it's become increasingly so since becoming a mother.

00:05:39.000 That's not the average person, right?

00:05:42.000 And Jack Dorsey is someone who has the, embodies the opposite of that spirit, who kind of probably wants to sit behind a computer and code, who created something that other people on the outside who were much more nefarious saw an opportunity.

00:05:56.000 And he was essentially held hostage at his own company.

00:05:59.000 And that's been Elon Musk's assessment too.

00:06:01.000 He doesn't think Jack Dorsey is a bad guy.

00:06:02.000 And I've always held that opinion.

00:06:04.000 He's not a bad guy, but he was the wrong guy.

00:06:06.000 He's definitely weak in some ways.

00:06:08.000 And it sounds like an insult, but there's a lot of weak people. 0.92

00:06:12.000 A lot of weak men.

00:06:13.000 Our society is suffering because we have an incredible amount of weak men and women, right? 1.00

00:06:18.000 Women who think that they're being strong because they've destroyed every remnant of their femininity. 1.00

00:06:23.000 And that actually renders a woman powerless. 1.00

00:06:25.000 That's your innate power as a woman. 1.00

00:06:27.000 All of these attributes, these God-given attributes that you have.

00:06:31.000 You know how to nurture.

00:06:32.000 You know how to care.

00:06:33.000 You're feminine.

00:06:33.000 You're beautiful.

00:06:34.000 And I spoke about this on stage today. 1.00

00:06:36.000 And then you have people that are telling you, rinse yourself of your superpowers and be something else, which renders you a weak fool. 0.99

00:06:41.000 And men are suffering from the same thing. 0.98

00:06:43.000 Where do you think that comes from on the woman's side? 1.00

00:06:46.000 It's the dogmatic approach to the education system.

00:06:48.000 It's the cultural understanding that there are different pillars.

00:06:52.000 So I would say that culture and education are probably the two biggest pillars that contribute to that.

00:06:57.000 And broken down families, I would say family is another pillar.

00:07:01.000 And so when you don't see two parents that are together embodying what it means to be masculine, embodying what it begins to mean feminine and what it means to come together, right?

00:07:10.000 How symbiotic the nature of those two things are.

00:07:12.000 And you instead hail from a broken home and then you go into a broken education system, which is teaching you these principles that are so backwards and so wrong and are never going to make you happy.

00:07:21.000 And then when you get out of the school system, it's reinforced by the culture, right?

00:07:24.000 You're watching movies and woman king. 1.00

00:07:27.000 What is that?

00:07:28.000 I don't know what that is.

00:07:29.000 What do you mean, a woman king? 0.97

00:07:30.000 What are you saying? 0.78

00:07:31.000 And so there's this push to psychologically confuse people and in the process, render them unhappy and weak.

00:07:31.000 Right.

00:07:40.000 And then as a body, and then it happens simultaneously with men, because then the excuse I get from some of the young ladies that we have at Turning Point USA is, I have to be strong because the men around me are weak.

00:07:49.000 Which is sad.

00:07:50.000 And by strong, that's not even the strong in the way you say, but I have to be masculine.

00:07:54.000 Right.

00:07:54.000 I have to become a masculine person because I cannot find a strong man around me.

00:08:00.000 Yeah.

00:08:00.000 And that kind of is that long-term suffering that women are going through, right?

00:08:04.000 Because we want strong men.

00:08:06.000 And so, despite the psychological conditioning that tells us you should want a man that's neutered, who wants like a dog that's walking around with this tail in between its legs?

00:08:13.000 You're not, if you're not.

00:08:14.000 The tail of the wrens would.

00:08:16.000 Maybe, yeah.

00:08:16.000 But could you imagine what to the park where you just saw like little dogs like this walking around with their tail in between their legs?

00:08:21.000 You're not like, I want that dog, right?

00:08:22.000 You, when you see a dog and you see how strong they look and how fortified they look, there's something that attracts you to it. 1.00

00:08:28.000 So women are rendering men weaker. 0.99

00:08:31.000 And then they realize, I don't want this man. 1.00

00:08:33.000 I actually don't want this neutered specimen beside me. 1.00

00:08:37.000 And it, like I said, renders people unhappy. 0.99

00:08:40.000 And yeah, we hear it all the time from young women that listen is that I pursued my career.

00:08:46.000 I'm in my early 30s.

00:08:47.000 I can't find a man.

00:08:49.000 They're all terrible around me.

00:08:50.000 And now I'm super confused, unhappy, or whatever it is.

00:08:54.000 Right.

00:08:55.000 And kind of going back to the Jack Dorsey, Jack Dorsey is a great example of the type of man that we have.

00:09:00.000 They might be successful, might be earning a wage, but there's no strength.

00:09:03.000 Yeah, there's no strength.

00:09:05.000 But that's not true.

00:09:05.000 Poor testosterone.

00:09:06.000 And the thing is, is that a part of that is because women aren't allowing men to lead because they're being taught not to allow men to lead.

00:09:13.000 And I'm a firm believer that you let men lead.

00:09:15.000 It's natural for men to lead in the world.

00:09:19.000 And it's natural for women to, despite what people think that happens, women lead in the household. 1.00

00:09:24.000 And we are the CEOs of our household.

00:09:27.000 There's something natural.

00:09:28.000 You understand it now because you have a child.

00:09:30.000 Our inklings towards a child.

00:09:33.000 Men are just, I look at men sometimes with an infant, and I'm just like, wow, you know nothing.

00:09:33.000 Totally different.

00:09:38.000 And yet I have this innate force that comes over me that I just know what to do when I see a child, right?

00:09:45.000 But then men have these amazing strengths, like the things that my husband thought about when we, like, I was thinking about pampers.

00:09:53.000 Did he have enough onesies?

00:09:54.000 When was he going to need the next size up?

00:09:56.000 What were we using in the bathtub?

00:09:58.000 My husband was thinking about his college fund and the will.

00:10:02.000 And I'm looking at him going, where are we?

00:10:04.000 And this is it.

00:10:05.000 We are coming together as men and as women and giving this child every perfect opportunity that they need in this world.

00:10:12.000 We were already like, okay, every month, this much is going to go in that bank account.

00:10:12.000 It's so similar.

00:10:15.000 Now, for us, it wasn't a college fund.

00:10:17.000 It was a don't go to college fund.

00:10:19.000 But that's just my own little worldview, right?

00:10:21.000 But it's the same sort of thing.

00:10:22.000 Future.

00:10:23.000 And Erica was like, this is what we have here.

00:10:25.000 And this is the room needs to be this perfect temperature.

00:10:28.000 That was me.

00:10:29.000 The mess needs to be protected and the sound and the whole thing and the sleep cycles.

00:10:29.000 Yeah.

00:10:33.000 It's so natural.

00:10:34.000 You just step into it.

00:10:35.000 There's nobody.

00:10:36.000 It's not because you learned it.

00:10:37.000 It's not because of the patriarchy or the matriarchy.

00:10:39.000 It is natural and it is beautiful and it is wonderful and everybody should aspire to it.

00:10:43.000 But isn't it just, I mean, this is, again, I'm kind of on this theme with a lot of our guests of how we've messed up modernity because there's some great parts of modernity, right?

00:10:52.000 I mean, there's some great parts of being able to say, you know, I have a headache, I want an Advil, right?

00:10:56.000 Or being able to have a refrigerator or air conditioning, right?

00:10:59.000 But we're in a place now where we feel that we have to change nature.

00:11:05.000 And I think that makes you deeply unhappy.

00:11:06.000 Yeah.

00:11:07.000 Well, the thing about technology is that it's a double-edged sword, right?

00:11:12.000 So it renders you freer and weaker at the exact same time.

00:11:15.000 If you don't have to get up and perform certain tasks, right?

00:11:18.000 You lose the ability.

00:11:19.000 It's this whole old school perspective.

00:11:21.000 If you don't use it, you lose it.

00:11:22.000 Well, we're losing it, right?

00:11:24.000 Because we live in this tremendous time of privilege, right?

00:11:28.000 There's no calling upon us, you know, as I always talk about my grandfather when he had to get up in the morning and in order to make a living.

00:11:35.000 This is like, if you are going to eat today, to survive, here is what you have to do.

00:11:39.000 You have to get up at 4 a.m., right?

00:11:41.000 You have to lay out tobacco to dry in an attic.

00:11:43.000 You and your 12 brothers have to figure it out whether you're selling oranges on the corner.

00:11:47.000 And that makes a person a man because they're constantly working with their hands.

00:11:50.000 Well, Jack Dorsey's never worked with this.

00:11:52.000 I mean, I don't want to assume this, but I think we can safely assume that his existence was very separate from my grandfather's.

00:11:57.000 Yes.

00:11:58.000 And so that is a double-edged sword when it comes to technology is that it also renders us more lazy, where they were required to work hard.

00:11:58.000 Right.

00:12:04.000 Everything was working hard.

00:12:05.000 You know, the old, the old school story from your grandparents, I walk 10 miles to school every single day.

00:12:12.000 You cannot even fathom that today.

00:12:13.000 The kids are so privileged.

00:12:16.000 And it actually makes the children sadder in a way.

00:12:20.000 And I spoke about this on stage.

00:12:21.000 I said, you know, I remember the 90s growing up outside, playing outside.

00:12:26.000 It was just so no smartphones.

00:12:29.000 No smartphones.

00:12:29.000 You know how to make imaginary friends.

00:12:31.000 The land before smartphones was so much more social.

00:12:33.000 And it's ironic that we call these social media companies when, in fact, they render people antisocial.

00:12:38.000 They don't want to go outside.

00:12:39.000 They don't know how to have a conversation.

00:12:40.000 They don't know how to look people in the eye.

00:12:42.000 Dating now is a swipe, right?

00:12:44.000 You don't have to develop that courage that it takes to walk up to somebody and say, Hi, I think you're very beautiful.

00:12:47.000 Can we go on a date?

00:12:48.000 And maybe you'll get rejected.

00:12:49.000 It doesn't feel good to get rejected, but it actually makes you a stronger person to understand that this is how it happens, right?

00:12:55.000 It's super healthy to get rejected.

00:12:57.000 It's healthy.

00:12:58.000 You can hide behind your phone and go, okay, it doesn't matter if they swipe because I don't even know if they swipe left to me.

00:13:03.000 So they think they're sparing themselves these emotions and you might be temporarily sparing yourself to these emotions.

00:13:08.000 Then you go out in the world and you have to deal with the person face to face and you combust.

00:13:13.000 I mean, I see it, unfortunately, at our events, some of these kids that are totally antisocial.

00:13:19.000 And I mean that as lovingly as I can.

00:13:21.000 And these events, I think, are actually helping get the juices flowing and get the muscles improved.

00:13:27.000 But the ability to kind of dialogue, it's if you were to have kind of like a secret camera, not a secret camera, but just like a 35,000-who camera of just the behavior, even our conference, 10 steps, look at the phone.

00:13:39.000 Five steps, look at the phone, even around other people.

00:13:43.000 Well, the thing is, you said an important word there.

00:13:45.000 You said the ability to dialogue.

00:13:46.000 Everything now, because of our smartphones, is a monologue, right?

00:13:50.000 So even when you think that you're speaking to a bunch of people to the world, you're actually just talking to yourself, right?

00:13:56.000 You're holding up a black screen and you're saying, Hey, here I am in my bedroom, and I'm talking to you about whatever.

00:14:03.000 You haven't actually had a conversation.

00:14:04.000 You may have reached 100,000 people, but you just, you just spoke to yourself.

00:14:08.000 You stood in front of a mirror and you spoke to yourself.

00:14:11.000 And so that is why it is encouraging antisocial behavior.

00:14:14.000 People don't know how to communicate anymore.

00:14:16.000 It's rendering people massively less free, massively less happy.

00:14:22.000 And we have to do something to transform it.

00:14:24.000 And I think the easiest thing to do, if you're a parent, is to commit yourself not to allow your child that reliance.

00:14:30.000 Yeah, I mean, that's what we're committing to do.

00:14:31.000 It's going to be hard is to keep it.

00:14:32.000 It's going to be easy as hell for me.

00:14:34.000 Yeah.

00:14:35.000 I mean, I just only hard is that because it seems like all even the homeschooling stuff, the curriculums on iPads and Chromebooks and just.

00:14:43.000 I think it's going to be easy for me.

00:14:44.000 And I think the greatest thing to tell people is that all of those people that are giving you these social media apps send their kids to schools where they're not allowed to have iPads.

00:14:52.000 And that is something people don't know, that they all go to schools where they're not allowed to have iPads.

00:14:56.000 They're not allowed to have smartphones because they know that these things are evil.

00:15:00.000 And it makes it less likely that their children are going to become successful.

00:15:02.000 Because if you don't know how to go out and communicate with people, what are your chances of becoming successful in society?

00:15:07.000 Eventually, you are going to have to come out of your shell.

00:15:10.000 And they don't have an ability to do it.

00:15:12.000 So for me, I've always just been dead committed to not allowing my children to have smartphones.

00:15:19.000 I don't care. 0.69

00:15:19.000 You can hate your mom. 0.69

00:15:20.000 I'm not here to be your best friend, right?

00:15:21.000 I'm here to parent you and to give you the best opportunities that I can in this world.

00:15:27.000 And the best opportunities come from true self-growth, from being able to understand and to feel assertive in who you are in the world, right?

00:15:35.000 Not to be on TikTok learning trends and dances and posting it for like dopamine hits that goes away because then you're going, oh, what's the next thing I have to do for this next hit?

00:15:44.000 These are, these are drugs.

00:15:46.000 And there's a wonderful article that talks about the psychological immune system that has been so broken down, right?

00:15:53.000 That all of these data points are essentially, they're called digital toxins, right?

00:15:58.000 And people are sick.

00:15:59.000 You have a biological immune system and you also have a psychological immune system.

00:16:02.000 And people don't think about that when they're on social media.

00:16:04.000 And I think about it all the time.

00:16:06.000 I know when I need to tap out for a couple of days.

00:16:08.000 Yes. 0.99

00:16:09.000 I turn my phone off from Friday night to Saturday, take a Jewish phone Sabbath. 1.00

00:16:13.000 Oh, so that's I do it every weekend. 1.00

00:16:14.000 I love that.

00:16:14.000 Right, Andrew?

00:16:15.000 I'm unreachable.

00:16:16.000 I do it.

00:16:17.000 Yeah, we all use the Jewish term, literally unreachable. 0.92

00:16:20.000 Sometimes I go all the way to Sunday. 0.75

00:16:21.000 It keeps me saying, oh, it's fabulous.

00:16:21.000 It's amazing.

00:16:24.000 I also track my screen time and I break through it almost every day, but it's a reminder just to kind of see how I did.

00:16:29.000 And I become a happier person.

00:16:30.000 And it takes a while to kind of get used to it because it is a drug and you become so addicted to it.

00:16:36.000 So how do we go about solving this, though, more macro?

00:16:40.000 I mean, talk about the social media aspect of it, the kind of cultural aspect of it.

00:16:45.000 I mean, it seems overwhelming.

00:16:47.000 I would say we don't solve it macro.

00:16:49.000 We solve it micro.

00:16:50.000 And that's the problem is that when we, and this goes, speaks right to the heart of what conservatives believe, right?

00:16:55.000 We believe in freedoms for the individual, not that a government's going to come fix it, right?

00:16:59.000 We don't need a macro, so we need a micro solution.

00:17:01.000 So I always say to people is don't become so overwhelmed with saying, how am I going to fix it on a macro scale?

00:17:05.000 If you decide what you will allow in your household, if every single person decided, I will never allow this in my household.

00:17:11.000 It's a little act of defiance that amounts to a lot.

00:17:14.000 Yes.

00:17:14.000 Because it can seem like too much.

00:17:15.000 How am I going to solve the COVID?

00:17:16.000 Everything's shut down.

00:17:17.000 The mask is a little bit different.

00:17:18.000 I think you're exactly.

00:17:18.000 I said, I'm not going to mask in my house.

00:17:21.000 We had a baby nurse come and she was wearing a mask. 1.00

00:17:24.000 And we said, we actually, you don't need to wear that mask.

00:17:26.000 And she said, well, I want to wear the mask.

00:17:29.000 And we fired her right on the spot.

00:17:30.000 Because you're not going to look over my crib.

00:17:30.000 Yeah.

00:17:32.000 I can't control what you do out there, but I can't control what you do in my house.

00:17:34.000 No, a child should not see someone in a mask, period. 0.96

00:17:36.000 It's unless you live in Saudi Arabia or something. 1.00

00:17:39.000 And even then, it's kind of demented and weird. 1.00

00:17:41.000 So, but, you know, honestly, what gives me hope is that there were.

00:17:51.000 Did I get you that with that?

00:17:52.000 That's very, it was funny.

00:17:54.000 I could still make Candace Owens laugh, everybody.

00:17:57.000 Just a subtle, demented and weird.

00:17:59.000 Moving on.

00:18:01.000 But you're right, because despite all the propaganda, all the incentives, all the force, tens of millions of people made a micro decision saying, I'm not going to take the mRNA gene altering shot.

00:18:10.000 You were a leader on that.

00:18:11.000 I refused from the very beginning.

00:18:13.000 They tried to fire people, intimidate them.

00:18:15.000 Thankfully, I was in a position to say, you know what?

00:18:17.000 There's nothing really you could take away from me.

00:18:19.000 Okay, wow.

00:18:20.000 I can't, you know, travel to Turkey.

00:18:22.000 Like, okay, that's, that's terrific.

00:18:24.000 But a lot of people were faced with that.

00:18:27.000 And still, I think 40 to 50 million people did not take a dose of it.

00:18:30.000 That's a sign of defiance.

00:18:32.000 In a good way, though.

00:18:33.000 Micro-defiance.

00:18:34.000 Yeah, it was micro, right?

00:18:35.000 Because it wasn't like this big overarching thing.

00:18:37.000 It was 40 to 50 million people at 70%.

00:18:39.000 And that's what we know.

00:18:40.000 Many people got fake vaccine cards that said that they got the shot that I know.

00:18:44.000 They really didn't want to.

00:18:46.000 But even them, I put them in a category.

00:18:48.000 Yeah.

00:18:49.000 A lot of 40, 50 million people said, you could take whatever you want from me.

00:18:51.000 Yep.

00:18:52.000 Yep.

00:18:52.000 I was from day one, absolutely not way too educated when it comes to vaccines, properly educated, not what you learn in school and your doctor says educated, but properly.

00:19:00.000 I've done the research.

00:19:01.000 I understand.

00:19:02.000 I mean, I say to people all the time, LOL, if you think El Chapo and Pablo Escobar are the problem, what they wanted to accomplish, our government did.

00:19:10.000 They wanted a relationship so they could move drugs with the government. 0.99

00:19:13.000 They wanted to be able to control congressmen and be able to control the president of Mexico so they could move their job in Colombia so that they could move their drugs.

00:19:20.000 We did that in America.

00:19:21.000 That's exactly what Big Pharma is.

00:19:22.000 Congratulations.

00:19:24.000 It's an incredible market.

00:19:26.000 They demand your children take every single vaccine.

00:19:28.000 What once started as six is now 74 before they get out of high school.

00:19:31.000 The childhood schedule is unbelievable. 0.99

00:19:33.000 My children are not vaxed.

00:19:34.000 I'm very vocal about that.

00:19:36.000 I did not vax either of my children.

00:19:37.000 If you think that you're going to change my mind about that, you won't.

00:19:40.000 You're welcome to disagree.

00:19:41.000 You can roll up your sleeves.

00:19:42.000 You can, and I believe in freedom.

00:19:43.000 If you want to give your children 74 vaccines and wonder why there are so many autoimmune diseases and kids were never this sick.

00:19:50.000 I mean, you have to start to employ critical thinking and common sense.

00:19:55.000 Okay.

00:19:55.000 When I was a kid, there was maybe one kid that had a peanut allergy.

00:19:59.000 I didn't have any kids in my class who had gluten allergies.

00:20:01.000 These kids have never been more sick.

00:20:03.000 Okay.

00:20:03.000 So I employed common sense and then I researched and it wasn't for me and it wasn't for my family.

00:20:08.000 And shame on you if you think that the whole COVID thing was the first time that, you know, Big Pharma lied to you.

00:20:15.000 It's time for you to wake up and go backwards and start to realize when did this start?

00:20:18.000 Because when I say that there is a medical cartel, I mean it.

00:20:22.000 When I say that Pablo Escobar's ambitions are now taking place in America, what El Chapo wanted to accomplish, we have accomplished in America between the FDA and the CDC and people whose pockets are being lined because they trade on that information, right?

00:20:37.000 Down to Nancy Pelosi's husband.

00:20:38.000 You know what I mean?

00:20:39.000 Yes.

00:20:40.000 There is a real sinister thing that is happening and children are suffering because of it.

00:20:45.000 And that does not make me anti-pharma.

00:20:48.000 I believe in medicine.

00:20:49.000 I'm not a person that's...

00:20:50.000 Well, I'm anti-pharma is in Kurt's current state for sure.

00:20:52.000 Yeah, but I mean, if I'm like dying and I'm sick, am I going to take a pill?

00:20:55.000 Sure.

00:20:56.000 But I understand that a lot of drugs are designed to make you reliant on drugs.

00:21:01.000 And we're facing a crisis because of that truth.

00:21:03.000 And all they ever have to do is pay a fine.

00:21:05.000 The only good crisis.

00:21:06.000 Big pharma just paid a fine.

00:21:08.000 You know, no one's in prison.

00:21:10.000 The drugs are designed to create more dependency on drugs, which is a segue to the amount of children on psychiatric drugs in our country.

00:21:10.000 Yeah.

00:21:18.000 Oh, gosh, don't even get me started.

00:21:20.000 Why is it that conservatives don't ever talk about this?

00:21:22.000 Because it's not a left or right thing. 0.68

00:21:25.000 You know, I know a lot of people that are conservatives who give their kids drugs.

00:21:31.000 And I talk about it on my show.

00:21:32.000 Like benzodiazepines or Zoloft or Proza.

00:21:35.000 I said it tends to be that the kids that they tell you need to take Adderall are the smartest kids.

00:21:38.000 Well, I mean, I was.

00:21:39.000 And you were one of those kids.

00:21:40.000 Right?

00:21:40.000 Yes, that's correct.

00:21:41.000 Look at what you've done with your life.

00:21:42.000 Imagine if your mother had listened to that advice and had drugged you on Ritalin because, oh, well, he's not sitting down and he doesn't want to study math for three hours.

00:21:50.000 Yeah, I mean, he's six.

00:21:51.000 What six-year-old boy?

00:21:52.000 Boys have so much energy that he's being normal.

00:21:55.000 He can't sit in his seat and study his paper.

00:21:57.000 That's a normal six-year-old.

00:21:58.000 Okay.

00:21:59.000 He has a lot of things going on in his brain.

00:22:01.000 He wants to go outside.

00:22:02.000 Got a little bit of energy.

00:22:03.000 A tiny little bit of energy.

00:22:05.000 Allow your child to grow up.

00:22:06.000 And yet they give him a diagnosis.

00:22:08.000 Oh, well, if your child doesn't want to sit down, he's got ADD and here's a drug that you can give him.

00:22:13.000 And it's such a serious drug, you know, to give your children Adderall.

00:22:16.000 Six-year-olds are being given Adderall.

00:22:19.000 But there are also, there's six million children that are on either benzodiazepines, which is a very aggressive antidepressant.

00:22:25.000 Yeah.

00:22:26.000 By children, I mean under the age of 16.

00:22:28.000 Okay, just so we're clear.

00:22:29.000 Now, there's even more if you've got under 18, okay?

00:22:31.000 Prozac, right? 0.81

00:22:33.000 Xanax, the girl.

00:22:34.000 Xanax.

00:22:35.000 Zoloft, right?

00:22:35.000 Xanax.

00:22:36.000 I mean, you go through the list, and then, of course, Adderall, Ritalin.

00:22:41.000 And we don't even, we can't even comprehend what this is doing neurologically to kids.

00:22:46.000 Of course.

00:22:47.000 It's making things infinitely more worse.

00:22:49.000 America didn't become less depressed when we started handing out all of these children.

00:22:52.000 I became more depressed, actually.

00:22:53.000 Of course, because that's how it works.

00:22:54.000 You need more and more to get that feeling of high because you haven't actually dealt with that, you know, that underlying sadness.

00:23:01.000 If there is underlying sadness.

00:23:03.000 You're 12 years old.

00:23:04.000 Like, you might be having a bad day.

00:23:06.000 They prescribed me Xanax when I was 18 years old and I broke up with my boyfriend.

00:23:09.000 I thought it was the end of the world.

00:23:10.000 And I cried for three days.

00:23:11.000 And my dad drove all the way to pick me up from college, university.

00:23:15.000 And they prescribed me Xanax for being sad over a breakup.

00:23:21.000 And thank God I had a girlfriend at the time in my dorm when I came back with that prescription who said, why are you going to take this pill?

00:23:27.000 And I said, because I'm really sad and I can't stop crying about this breakup.

00:23:32.000 And she said, okay, but why can't you stop crying?

00:23:34.000 I was like, oh, because I love him so much and I'm so sad.

00:23:36.000 And she said, well, if you know why you're sad, it's just a human emotion, right?

00:23:40.000 You're going to have to learn to deal with that human emotion.

00:23:42.000 Every time you get a human emotion, you get to take a pill.

00:23:44.000 Like, oh, I feel anxious for a stuff.

00:23:45.000 I have a test.

00:23:46.000 It's okay to feel anxious because there's something happening.

00:23:48.000 It's okay to feel sad.

00:23:49.000 That is God gave you these senses for a reason.

00:23:52.000 You're happy.

00:23:52.000 You're sad.

00:23:54.000 And they're fleeting.

00:23:54.000 And there's a wonderful Louis C.K. clip.

00:23:57.000 I don't know.

00:23:57.000 We're not allowed to speak about him, I guess, now because of me too, whatever.

00:24:00.000 He's hilarious.

00:24:01.000 And there's a clip that you should go pursue before he got me too.

00:24:05.000 And it is, it's Louis C.K.

00:24:07.000 And the clip is entitled, Why I Don't Allow My Children to Have Cell Phones.

00:24:13.000 It's a wonderful clip of him talking about that.

00:24:17.000 That you have this beautiful biological design that even he likes talks about how he pulled over, he just cried and he cried and he cried in his car for no reason.

00:24:24.000 And then he said, And then right after he was done crying, this overwhelming relief and happiness came over him.

00:24:29.000 Like your body, like the happy came to meet the sad, right?

00:24:33.000 Stages of grief are real.

00:24:34.000 Yeah.

00:24:35.000 They work in a cycle, right?

00:24:37.000 And people don't know how to allow their bodies to do that.

00:24:40.000 Just not to go too off the beaten path.

00:24:42.000 Xanax is an extremely powerful drug.

00:24:44.000 It's crazy.

00:24:45.000 That neurologically is basically a thought stopper.

00:24:47.000 Is what it does.

00:24:48.000 Is it slows down all of your ability to process and neurotransmit any form of emotion?

00:24:48.000 Scary.

00:24:53.000 It is the closest thing to turning you into a zombie-like figure that we have in kind of just the modern, you know, it's not over the counter, but prescribed.

00:25:01.000 And there are tens of millions of Americans.

00:25:04.000 Forget children on Xanax.

00:25:06.000 Tens of millions.

00:25:06.000 And then there are, and I've had mothers write to me because I've talked about that on my show because there's so many young girls that are taking this.

00:25:11.000 And I think it's cool where it's like, oh, I need a Xanax.

00:25:15.000 I need a Xanax.

00:25:16.000 It's become this like culturally cool thing in a weird way to talk about the fact that you take Xanax and they don't realize how severe that is long term and that they're going to have to be able to deal with that emotion of anxiety that they have.

00:25:27.000 And moms say to me, well, you don't understand.

00:25:28.000 Like my daughter was going to kill herself. 0.97

00:25:30.000 She was so stressed about finals.

00:25:31.000 If your daughter, if you legitimately think that your daughter is going to kill herself over taking finals, you need to withdraw her from school.

00:25:36.000 You don't need to give her a pill.

00:25:37.000 Like there, that means that she's overwhelmed, right?

00:25:39.000 There's another solution than to giving her a pill to help her deal with the pressures from school.

00:25:45.000 And so it's a conversation.

00:25:47.000 And I don't judge mothers.

00:25:48.000 I know how hard it is to be a mother and you do the best that you can.

00:25:51.000 And obviously, I'm at the beginning of this.

00:25:52.000 And who knows, I might have a 16-year-old I'm going to kill myself over a final.

00:25:56.000 But we do have to have the courage to have the conversations about what big pharma has done.

00:26:00.000 I mean, I totally agree with that.

00:26:02.000 And you have from the vaccines to the pharmaceuticals to now, if you look, if you were to kind of be able to have a Project Veritas secret camera in New Jersey at Pfizer headquarters or wherever, they're sitting around a table and they're saying, okay, let's look at our 10-year growth trajectory.

00:26:23.000 And wow, profits were really good these last couple of years because we were able to get everyone mandated on the vaccine.

00:26:29.000 And then they say, well, you know, what's going to be the big growth opportunity?

00:26:33.000 And they say, well, Lupron.

00:26:38.000 And in the Pfizer table, they say millions of kids are going to be taking sex-altering drugs that will then make them chemically imbalanced.

00:26:46.000 And then we'll be able to give them all these other variety of drugs. 0.95

00:26:49.000 I guarantee that conversation is happening.

00:26:51.000 Of course, it is 100%. 1.00

00:26:53.000 Forget the cosmetic procedures that they never really heal for hail from, that it throws their body into early aging, osteoporosis. 1.00

00:27:00.000 So there's so many drugs that they are going to have to be on to deal with it. 1.00

00:27:02.000 And you can't just mutilate your body and think everything's going to be fine.

00:27:04.000 No, it only chopped my arm off.

00:27:06.000 It's like a buffet line now of how many people are.

00:27:08.000 You become a client of the, you are an holy operator.

00:27:11.000 I read somewhere that you're like $25 million for the rest of your life will be spent on just drugs.

00:27:17.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:27:18.000 And then beyond that, so then they, you know, they can't afford it. 0.99

00:27:21.000 And I've spoken to people that are formerly trans, they can't afford it. 0.98

00:27:23.000 You know, so they're on Medicaid. 1.00

00:27:25.000 And then another huge thing that's coming that needs to be talked about, and I have been talking about this for the last year and it's getting more and more sinister, is the MAID program up in Canada.

00:27:33.000 What do you mean?

00:27:34.000 Medical assistance in dying, or the doctors are just killing people.

00:27:37.000 Doctor-assisted suicide.

00:27:39.000 Physician-assisted suit. 0.93

00:27:40.000 Somebody just got signed off to be killed, right? 0.98

00:27:42.000 Right position is a suicide because he's poor. 0.86

00:27:45.000 Yeah, so this was the Dr. Kvorkian thing back.

00:27:48.000 I think it was the 80s, right?

00:27:49.000 80s or 90s.

00:27:50.000 Doctor death.

00:27:51.000 Well, it's back and he's here.

00:27:53.000 And Canada is killing thousands of people every single year under the MAID program. 0.97

00:27:57.000 You have this happening.

00:27:58.000 And it started with just people that are terminally ill.

00:28:00.000 And then they opened up the laws and they said, okay, well, also, if you don't think that they're psychologically okay.

00:28:06.000 And so there have been articles after articles I've been covering with on my show: people that are just allowed to kill themselves.

00:28:11.000 It started in Switzerland.

00:28:12.000 Now it's in Canada.

00:28:13.000 And this is what's going to come down the pipeline in America: that if you're just, oh, I'm sorry, did the Lupon drugs not work?

00:28:18.000 And now you're suicidal.

00:28:18.000 Well, here's a pill.

00:28:20.000 They're going to start killing people fully.

00:28:21.000 And the fact that there are doctors that are signing off on this man did a whole article in the Daily Mail the other day about how he just got a sign-off from a doctor to die because he was poor.

00:28:30.000 It's just like, I just don't want to be poor.

00:28:32.000 Could you imagine a doctor signing off because you don't want to be poor?

00:28:36.000 Do you realize how scary that is?

00:28:37.000 Is he dead now or the government?

00:28:38.000 Is it scheduled?

00:28:39.000 No, he needs one more doctor sign-off. 0.99

00:28:40.000 You have to get two sign-offs from doctors to kill yourself in Canada.

00:28:45.000 Yeah, I mean, I guess I hate to be more, but the obvious question is, what's stopping him?

00:28:48.000 I mean, just like, go find a train.

00:28:50.000 Yeah, no, well, because this will be comfortable.

00:28:52.000 You'll be in, you'll be in the hospital.

00:28:53.000 You'll be comfortable.

00:28:55.000 You don't have to worry about any of that.

00:28:57.000 You'll be comfortable.

00:28:58.000 And this is, and people are arguing for this.

00:28:58.000 Yeah.

00:29:00.000 I mean, to hear the arguments that they're having in parliament about this, it's being argued in the UK as well.

00:29:05.000 This is what is going to come down the pipeline of big pharma: they are going to be mass killing people, but they're going to convince people to kill themselves.

00:29:12.000 And don't ever doubt their capacity to do this.

00:29:13.000 They have just now convinced people that they can pick their gender.

00:29:16.000 They convinced people that they should be afraid of a two-year-old breathing if it wasn't masked and to freak out on a plane if you saw a child breathing.

00:29:16.000 Okay.

00:29:21.000 If you don't think that that same new structure has the ability to convince people to kill themselves, they're already running commercials of people that have already killed themselves being like, they used a woman as a spokesperson for this, and they ran a beautiful commercial of her voice in the afterlife being like, This was the best decision I ever made.

00:29:40.000 Charlie, it is sick.

00:29:41.000 I'll send you a link for it is sick.

00:29:42.000 Where they're trying to make it like, imagine like, you know, how big pharma commercials are always like running through a field.

00:29:47.000 Always.

00:29:47.000 And then like on the side of the dandelion with some like middle-aged man.

00:29:51.000 That dandelion with middle-aged man.

00:29:51.000 Yeah.

00:29:53.000 It's it's in Canada right now and it's it's to kill yourself. 0.94

00:29:56.000 She's like, I just knew it would make me freer. 0.92

00:29:58.000 It makes me feel more free.

00:29:59.000 They're never wearing shoes in those commercials.

00:30:01.000 Do you find it weird?

00:30:02.000 They're always like, they're always barefoot.

00:30:04.000 Exactly.

00:30:05.000 Yeah, I think that's what they're going to do.

00:30:05.000 What kind of weird, like John Lennon universe do you think we're living in?

00:30:09.000 I know.

00:30:09.000 It is like the beginning of the year.

00:30:10.000 There's no war.

00:30:11.000 There's only peace.

00:30:12.000 No, taking whatever the latest Viagra or whatever is not going to get barefoot with a dandelion.

00:30:12.000 Like, actually, you know what?

00:30:19.000 It's very strange.

00:30:20.000 But this is, again, it kind of goes back to this theme.

00:30:23.000 I mean, Alfred K. Moot, who was, you know, wrote about, he was not able to answer the question of what is the point of existence.

00:30:30.000 The secularists that run the have basically run the West, this is where it leads.

00:30:35.000 It will lead to mass subsidized, popularized suicide.

00:30:40.000 Yeah, absolutely. 0.97

00:30:41.000 If they've already made it palpable for women to rip children out of their wombs, like it's nothing, like it's a form of birth control. 1.00

00:30:47.000 Of course, they are going to also make it appetizing for people to kill themselves. 0.97

00:30:53.000 And it's sort of like before the trans thing blew up, I was on it five, like, I mean, from the beginning, everyone was like, this is not a big deal. 1.00

00:30:59.000 I'm telling you the news. 1.00

00:31:00.000 They're white early. 0.99

00:31:01.000 Oh, yeah.

00:31:01.000 I mean, like, as soon as I started, I was like, I don't, this, this demonic thing is what's around the corner.

00:31:06.000 And it happened overnight.

00:31:07.000 The next thing is going to be medical assisted dying. 0.99

00:31:10.000 And it's going to be doctors signing off on these kids in mass that are trans realized that they've ruined their lives. 1.00

00:31:15.000 They're sexually dysfunctional. 0.98

00:31:17.000 They actually know the doctors lied and you can't just stop puberty, pause puberty, and they're going to mass kill these kids. 0.99

00:31:23.000 There is nothing.

00:31:25.000 And say the word that they use is dying with dignity.

00:31:27.000 That's the phrase.

00:31:29.000 There is not a secular argument against this.

00:31:32.000 There is a Western religious argument against it.

00:31:36.000 They call it dignity.

00:31:37.000 You've got to see the commercials.

00:31:38.000 They're so sick. 0.75

00:31:41.000 How do we stop this?

00:31:42.000 Well, we talk about it and we make people realize that the way that it's going to encroach its way into America is the same way that it encroaches its way into Canada.

00:31:49.000 First, they say it's the terminally ill who are suffering and are in pain, and then they go back and they vote and they start to erase parts of that law.

00:31:55.000 And then they run some fluffy commercials.

00:31:57.000 They get a few celebrities.

00:31:58.000 Obviously, you always have to involve Hollywood to say who will still be living by the way.

00:32:01.000 Yeah, and tell you how much, oh, it was so great to see their mother die with dignity. 0.85

00:32:06.000 Will Farrell's going to tell you to kill himself while he's still alive? 0.91

00:32:09.000 Yeah, pretty much. 0.86

00:32:09.000 And they'll try out the celebrities. 0.86

00:32:11.000 And you, and again, it comes down to your own household.

00:32:15.000 It's making sure that we as Christians have those conversations with our children and that we have that religious argument and that we make people understand how precious life is.

00:32:25.000 And unfortunately, this has not been an argument that we have won up until now, really.

00:32:30.000 I mean, the abortion, it feels like we finally scored a win with Roe v. Wade, but it's coming.

00:32:35.000 It's coming down the pipeline. 0.73

00:32:37.000 Trust me.

00:32:37.000 So you've had a big year.

00:32:39.000 I want to close out the conversation.

00:32:40.000 You welcome the other child into the world.

00:32:42.000 Congratulations.

00:32:42.000 I did.

00:32:43.000 Thank you.

00:32:44.000 She's a little angel, baby Louise.

00:32:46.000 I know the feeling.

00:32:47.000 Yeah.

00:32:47.000 And which is great.

00:32:49.000 And so what did you learn this last year?

00:32:51.000 Man, I feel like I haven't.

00:32:53.000 I ask every guest this, by the way.

00:32:54.000 So it's not sorry to put you on the screen.

00:32:56.000 No, no, it's it is a great question.

00:32:58.000 What did I learn this last year?

00:32:59.000 I feel like every single day I learned something new.

00:33:04.000 And I think this year, it's been the last two years, I would say, since I've had two kids in two years, it's been learning about myself.

00:33:10.000 You know, I think that is what motherhood is.

00:33:12.000 It unlocks something in women. 1.00

00:33:14.000 It's a superpower for women. 1.00

00:33:15.000 You suddenly realize your purpose. 1.00

00:33:17.000 And that's such a weird thing.

00:33:18.000 When you go back to that question of why am I here, right?

00:33:21.000 This sort of existential question.

00:33:23.000 Suddenly, it is so perfectly in picture when you start a family.

00:33:28.000 Yes.

00:33:28.000 You just go, I know exactly why I'm here.

00:33:31.000 I know exactly why I'm fighting.

00:33:33.000 And I know exactly why every single second spent fighting matters.

00:33:37.000 And so that has been the lesson.

00:33:39.000 I've learned why I'm here.

00:33:40.000 I totally agree.

00:33:41.000 I believe 99% of the people who ask why I'm here are childless.

00:33:47.000 Because they're plugging into a system that's meaningless, right?

00:33:50.000 Yes.

00:33:51.000 It's meaningless.

00:33:51.000 Just being college, getting degrees and meaningless degrees, and then not being able to drink until 2 a.m. or whatever.

00:33:58.000 It's a meaningless existence.

00:33:59.000 And then the family is what it's all about.

00:34:01.000 Yes, it's real.

00:34:04.000 So 2024 is coming up.

00:34:07.000 It is.

00:34:07.000 You made some headlines.

00:34:09.000 I have.

00:34:10.000 Are people saying I should be the president?

00:34:11.000 Is it me?

00:34:12.000 You're running?

00:34:13.000 It's me.

00:34:14.000 No.

00:34:14.000 You could run.

00:34:15.000 You know you could run.

00:34:16.000 I run every morning.

00:34:19.000 I can run.

00:34:20.000 It's a fact.

00:34:20.000 She's not old enough.

00:34:21.000 Yes, I am.

00:34:22.000 How is she going to start rumors about me on the side over there?

00:34:25.000 Exactly.

00:34:26.000 It's a compliment to say you're not old enough.

00:34:27.000 Oh, thank you.

00:34:28.000 Think about it, though, right? 0.94

00:34:29.000 That's so silly. 0.97

00:34:29.000 You're never to guess a woman's age or something. 0.97

00:34:31.000 Now I love you. 1.00

00:34:32.000 You're supposed to round down.

00:34:33.000 Yeah, he was rounding down, but I'm not running, so it's all irrelevant.

00:34:37.000 Yeah, I know.

00:34:37.000 I'm like 22.

00:34:39.000 So how should we think about 2024?

00:34:41.000 You know, I'm not confident about it at this moment.

00:34:43.000 And I've been pretty vocal.

00:34:44.000 I know people get very angry because there's a lot of emotions in the American climate right now.

00:34:50.000 But I think we have to be very serious that the Republican Party is splintered for better or for worse.

00:34:55.000 And that we have to be able to have an honest conversation about why it's splintered.

00:35:01.000 And I think that there's just too much infighting, you know, and that we become our own worst enemies when it comes to the infighting.

00:35:09.000 And the left is so good at being in lockstep and getting behind each other, no matter what, no matter how bad the villain is, right?

00:35:17.000 If Gavin Newsom runs, they're all just going to get behind him.

00:35:19.000 Yeah.

00:35:20.000 John, who can't speak.

00:35:22.000 Right.

00:35:22.000 And right now, we have people that we don't have the same messaging.

00:35:27.000 We don't know who the leader is.

00:35:29.000 We don't know who the person is that we're all listening to.

00:35:33.000 And it's problematic.

00:35:34.000 And the reason for that is, you know, it's twofold.

00:35:37.000 First and foremost, we are more independent.

00:35:39.000 We're not like the left, right?

00:35:40.000 That's a good thing is that we are so independent, but we come up short when it comes to elections and when it comes behind us needing to all support one another for the purposes of saving this country.

00:35:50.000 So I don't know.

00:35:53.000 I feel like I don't want to make any prognostications about 2024.

00:35:58.000 What about you?

00:36:00.000 Well, I think we're in a tough spot.

00:36:03.000 I mean, we were asking some of the people outside and there was a lot of pro-Trump, but I mean, at least from our audience, it's increasingly split.

00:36:09.000 Yeah.

00:36:09.000 And I've been saying this for last year because I speak all over the country.

00:36:12.000 And then when I said it, when I said to people, hey guys, here's what I'm seeing, you know, like people that were Trump loyalists are splitting and they got angry at me.

00:36:19.000 It's like even saying it.

00:36:20.000 And I'm guys like, okay, well, if we, if we can't admit to the problem, we can't fix the problem, right?

00:36:24.000 We can't be following.

00:36:26.000 I want to defend you, Candace, because I think some of it's unfair because no one's defended Trump more than you.

00:36:31.000 No.

00:36:32.000 At a very, you know.

00:36:33.000 High level.

00:36:34.000 Yeah, at a big cost, right? 0.82

00:36:36.000 You were the one that went with me to UCLA while being screamed at by those apparatchiks and defending Trump during all the BLM stuff and during Floyd. 0.69

00:36:45.000 And so I just think it's a little bit. 0.77

00:36:49.000 And I say people, if you care about Trump.

00:36:50.000 It's unfair to say that.

00:36:52.000 But I think, look, the sentiment as you're saying is like, I want the country saved.

00:36:57.000 Yeah.

00:36:57.000 Right.

00:36:58.000 If you care about Trump, you can't lie about what's happening.

00:37:01.000 And people think that this is a form of caring about people.

00:37:03.000 You just lie.

00:37:04.000 But also, we shouldn't act like the NFT thing was good.

00:37:07.000 That was horrible.

00:37:08.000 And the thing is, is people have listened to me one month before, we wouldn't have gotten here.

00:37:11.000 My assessment has been that there are people that are around him, I don't know who they are, who are not looking out for his best interests.

00:37:19.000 No, I would go further.

00:37:20.000 I think there might be saboteurs within his circle.

00:37:22.000 I think they're looking at their own financial interests and that they are trying to sabotage his election.

00:37:27.000 And I think that because he has emerged from this past election rightfully angry, it's righteous anger, you know.

00:37:35.000 He doesn't know who to trust and he is trusting the wrong people.

00:37:40.000 That's my read.

00:37:40.000 That is my take on it.

00:37:42.000 And I think that he has to transform that anger back into what we loved, like the funny, right?

00:37:51.000 He was so lightweight.

00:37:52.000 When he was self-deprecating.

00:37:53.000 Yes.

00:37:54.000 The best, one of the best lines ever.

00:37:56.000 And this was like Trump in his stride.

00:37:58.000 When they go through all the Republican candidates, what's your call sign going to be when you're president, right?

00:38:03.000 Ted Cruz says something, you know, super academic and Jeb Bush has it all perfectly.

00:38:07.000 And they go to Donald Trump because they all have like these little things.

00:38:10.000 And Donald Trump says, my name will be Humble.

00:38:16.000 And you're like, that's why I love you.

00:38:18.000 Yeah.

00:38:18.000 And it's just like the funny moments of like when they would make fun of his hair.

00:38:21.000 And remember when he got off the plane, he's like, oh, he gave like a speech and he was like, you know, I think I do a good job combing my hair.

00:38:27.000 He was just so funny and lighthearted.

00:38:30.000 And you can sense a heaviness in him now.

00:38:32.000 Which is understandable.

00:38:33.000 It's understandable.

00:38:34.000 Because it is righteous.

00:38:34.000 Your bank was stolen.

00:38:36.000 I mean, your kind of bank account was stolen.

00:38:39.000 But I think that for those of us that love him, and I mean that, and defend him, we want him to be the magnanimous, positive Trump.

00:38:48.000 I think the best revenge for Trump is not to be bitter.

00:38:53.000 Yeah.

00:38:54.000 And it's hard not to do that.

00:38:55.000 And that's why that was really largely bringing it back to my message on stage tonight, was I said to them to the students tonight was be happy, right?

00:39:04.000 Yes.

00:39:04.000 That is what pisses the left off.

00:39:06.000 That's what it is.

00:39:07.000 That's why they hated Trump in 16.

00:39:09.000 He was so happy. 0.98

00:39:09.000 You got this like really like just deteriorating old woman who's just awful who's raising all this money. 0.98

00:39:15.000 And then there's this happy billionaire. 0.98

00:39:17.000 It's like, ha ha, whatever.

00:39:18.000 He's like, 10, well, just got 10 feet taller.

00:39:20.000 You should be in prison.

00:39:20.000 That's right.

00:39:21.000 You know, like these little one miles.

00:39:23.000 Like, what line, what liners do we remember recently?

00:39:25.000 None.

00:39:26.000 No.

00:39:26.000 And so, you know, I say these things publicly because you just have to hope that he hears it and understands that it's coming from people that have loved him the most, that have supported him the most.

00:39:34.000 And you have, that's true.

00:39:35.000 But we just can't be delusional.

00:39:36.000 We can't pretend that this is good.

00:39:37.000 We can't pretend the party is united.

00:39:40.000 And hopefully, he has a wake-up call and realizes that there are people that are not out for his best interests.

00:39:45.000 I feel like the equivalent, it's like 1859. 0.94

00:39:51.000 And we're like, hey, if we don't sort this out, like the Confederacy and the Union, like, there's going to be like, shut up, racist. 0.83

00:39:58.000 Like, no, no, like, there's going to be a lot of blood. 0.61

00:40:02.000 That's how I, that's how I feel.

00:40:04.000 I'm like, hey, guys.

00:40:05.000 And they were so angry.

00:40:06.000 They were like, I'm never, he, Trump made you.

00:40:08.000 I mean, Jenna Ellis was a whack job. 1.00

00:40:10.000 I was like, are you kidding me? 0.98

00:40:11.000 I was like, is she crazy? 0.92

00:40:13.000 Might be, probably crazy. 0.97

00:40:15.000 You know, how dare you speak against the king?

00:40:17.000 I was like, okay, well, if you care about him, you might.

00:40:19.000 No one made Candace Owens.

00:40:20.000 Let me just be very clear.

00:40:21.000 I know.

00:40:22.000 I saw it on YouTube.

00:40:23.000 Let's be very clear.

00:40:23.000 Red Pill Black.

00:40:24.000 Red Pill Black. 0.60

00:40:25.000 Look me up.

00:40:26.000 That's right.

00:40:26.000 So, but I say this from a position of, I want the Trump that was no holds barred, that was 16, 17, 18 energy.

00:40:36.000 Right.

00:40:37.000 And I want that back because I don't think bitterness wears well.

00:40:41.000 You always said be a happy warrior.

00:40:43.000 Yes, I know.

00:40:43.000 He was a warrior and he was happy.

00:40:45.000 And now he's a warrior.

00:40:46.000 We just need him to be the happy warrior that he was.

00:40:48.000 I hope he can get there.

00:40:49.000 Candace, your podcast is doing very well.

00:40:51.000 Tell our audience about it.

00:40:52.000 Thank you, guys.

00:40:52.000 You just find it.

00:40:53.000 Is this just called Candace Owens?

00:40:55.000 It's just called Candace.

00:40:56.000 It's just called Candace.

00:40:57.000 It's like Oprah now.

00:40:58.000 It's just one word.

00:40:59.000 I think it's Candace Owens.

00:41:00.000 Guys, all I know is there's a podcast, and it definitely might be Candace or Candace Owens.

00:41:04.000 I think it's just Candace.

00:41:06.000 I think it's just Candace.

00:41:06.000 Like, share.

00:41:07.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:41:08.000 Maybe I dropped the Owens. 0.74

00:41:09.000 Oh, maybe, you know, I think it's, I don't know. 0.95

00:41:11.000 This is really not good.

00:41:12.000 I shouldn't have made my own podcast.

00:41:13.000 You would think, no, I say welcome to Candace Owens for sure, Candace Owens.

00:41:17.000 And it's five days a week now, which is amazing.

00:41:19.000 I'm loving the podcasting space.

00:41:21.000 I love that.

00:41:22.000 It's sort of like having a diary, you know, anything that pisses me off.

00:41:25.000 Oh, I love podcasting.

00:41:26.000 I thought you were always made for podcasts.

00:41:29.000 Honestly, I was shocked that I had five days a week.

00:41:31.000 It is Candace Owens.

00:41:32.000 I'm just, I'm just, I'm just so, it was Candace for a while, and then we changed to Candace Owens.

00:41:36.000 So you're right.

00:41:36.000 That is, that's accurate.

00:41:38.000 And yeah, so it's Candace Owens.

00:41:39.000 It's fair days a week now.

00:41:40.000 I love it.

00:41:41.000 Yeah, look at that.

00:41:41.000 It's like I have a great, what?

00:41:45.000 Haters in the building.

00:41:46.000 You're not subscribed?

00:41:47.000 Oh, my gosh.

00:41:48.000 You're just out of my soul.

00:41:50.000 I told the truth, though.

00:41:51.000 Yeah.

00:41:52.000 You did.

00:41:52.000 You did tell the truth.

00:41:54.000 But it's good.

00:41:54.000 We're having fun.

00:41:55.000 And I think that people will really love it.

00:41:57.000 The format is completely different.

00:41:59.000 And it is really mine now.

00:42:01.000 Like, I get to do what I love every single day.

00:42:03.000 That's awesome.

00:42:04.000 Praise God.

00:42:05.000 And I think we're going to be doing some more stuff, but I'm just going to tease.

00:42:08.000 Yeah.

00:42:08.000 We have to make sure we have a big announcement.

00:42:10.000 Oh, big.

00:42:10.000 We're just going to tease a little bit of tease.

00:42:13.000 The team might be getting back together.

00:42:16.000 We'll see.

00:42:18.000 It's like the 90s bulls.

00:42:19.000 Jordan went to go play for the Chicago White Sox for a little bit and then came back and won three more titles.

00:42:24.000 I was thinking the Spice Girls when they did a tour.

00:42:27.000 Who?

00:42:28.000 The Spice Girls.

00:42:29.000 Spice up your life.

00:42:30.000 Every boy and every girl. 0.99

00:42:32.000 Spice up your life.

00:42:33.000 People of the world.

00:42:34.000 Spice up your life.

00:42:35.000 Ah.

00:42:37.000 Slam it to the left. 1.00

00:42:39.000 90s Bulls, everybody. 0.62

00:42:40.000 Spice World.

00:42:42.000 Rodman, Pippin, and Jordan.

00:42:44.000 Baby Spice. 1.00

00:42:44.000 Scary Spikes and Ginger. 1.00

00:42:47.000 God bless you, Candace.

00:42:48.000 Thank you.

00:42:50.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:42:52.000 Email me your thoughts as always.

00:42:53.000 Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.

00:42:55.000 Thank you so much for listening and God bless.

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