The Charlie Kirk Show - RFK’s Make America Healthy Again Advisor on Health, Toxins, and Diet ft. Calley Means

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00:01:23.000 I'm super excited for this hour and thrilled.

00:01:25.000 I didn't know that you lived here in Arizona.

00:01:27.000 Yes, sir.

00:01:28.000 I've been following you for quite some time, and then I could not listen to the podcast episode quick enough when you went on Talker, which was objectively one of the most entertaining and insightful episodes, podcasts I've ever heard.

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00:01:40.000 It's an important message.

00:01:43.000 It is, and so it is Dr. Casey Means, who went on Tucker Carlson with your sister.

00:01:49.000 I'm Callie.

00:01:49.000 I'm sorry, I get you guys.

00:01:50.000 No, it happens all the time.

00:01:52.000 So you're Callie.

00:01:53.000 I was looking at the book title.

00:01:55.000 You're Callie, Casey.

00:01:56.000 I'm sure it happens a lot.

00:01:57.000 It happens a lot.

00:01:58.000 I mean, no offense that way.

00:02:01.000 So Callie Means is with us.

00:02:02.000 Casey is your sister.

00:02:04.000 You guys co-authored the book.

00:02:05.000 Is that fair to say?

00:02:06.000 Yeah.

00:02:08.000 There's so much to talk about here.

00:02:09.000 RFK, USDA, nutrition, food, vaccines.

00:02:13.000 Why don't you introduce yourself first?

00:02:15.000 Yeah, the quick life story is I grew up in Washington, D.C., wanted to be on campaigns, was on some Republican campaigns, and I never really found myself a lobbyist, which everyone does after campaigns.

00:02:25.000 So I'm working with people across the aisle for food and pharma.

00:02:28.000 And with food companies, I helped Coke pay off the NAACP to say that taking Coke off food stamps is racist.

00:02:35.000 We paid conservative think tanks to say it was against freedom to deny children government-funded coke.

00:02:42.000 And then with pharma, learned the foundational incentive that the healthcare industry in this country, just as a statement of economic fact, makes money when people are sick.

00:02:52.000 And capitalism is the greatest invention in human history, but this isn't capitalism.

00:02:57.000 We have complete takeover where there's five lobbyists in pharma for every single member of Congress.

00:03:05.000 And just fundamentally, right now, healthcare is the largest and fastest growing industry in the country.

00:03:10.000 That's not right.

00:03:11.000 It's not AI.

00:03:12.000 It's not tech.

00:03:12.000 It's healthcare.

00:03:14.000 And putting the pieces together, getting out of that, becoming an entrepreneur, being influenced by my sister who is top of her class at Stanford Med School.

00:03:20.000 Top of her class at Stanford Med School, was rising up the ranks, NIH researcher, head and neck surgeon, and she realized 12 years into training that she looked down at a patient and she did not understand why they were sick.

00:03:20.000 She's an incredible person.

00:03:31.000 That 90% of her course load at Stanford Medical School was on pharmacology because pharma pays 50% of Stanford Med School's budget.

00:03:39.000 That she did not take one class on nutrition.

00:03:41.000 and actually realize why patients are sick.

00:03:43.000 And she was told that serious medicine is a scalpel and a drug prescription pad after

00:03:48.000 people get sick.

00:03:49.000 And then tracing to my putting the pieces together with my political experience with

00:03:53.000 Casey with seeing my mom abruptly die from pancreatic cancer after decades of missed

00:03:58.000 warning signs.

00:04:00.000 We kind of put it together and right after my mom's death, they're like, this is the

00:04:03.000 biggest issue in the world.

00:04:05.000 We're debating trivia.

00:04:07.000 I think it really to me ties to this key political dynamic in our country, which is fueling Donald Trump, which is fueling RFK, which is fueling populist uprisings throughout the world.

00:04:19.000 But people can't quite put their finger on it, but something is against us right now.

00:04:23.000 There are dark incentives against us, and what we are trying to say, and truly, we decided to devote our lives to this right after our mom died in 2021.

00:04:31.000 We're like, we need to get this message out, and we need to start talking about it.

00:04:35.000 I think it's a way to channel actually this frustration people are feeling that can't quite put their finger on, and the way to channel Corruption, and the way to channel these forces that we all feel are against us, it's just, it's a great case study to look at our healthcare system, where, again, a pharma company makes money when a kid gets sick.

00:04:53.000 There is nothing better than a kid being obese.

00:04:57.000 No, no, no, but then, therefore, do they want people to get sick?

00:05:00.000 So let's get out of the conspiracies.

00:05:01.000 I'm just saying, wouldn't it be logical, if you make money when someone is sick, at the very least, are they indifferent to people getting sick?

00:05:01.000 No, I'm not.

00:05:09.000 As a statement of economic fact, our largest institution, which pharma is a big part of healthcare, wants people to get sick.

00:05:16.000 Let's take a child. 0.99

00:05:17.000 Let's take a child who has slightly high cholesterol. 0.82

00:05:19.000 Statin prescriptions have doubled in the past five years among high schoolers.

00:05:23.000 Kids are on statins?

00:05:25.000 It's like candy!

00:05:26.000 But cholesterol is not a bad thing inherently.

00:05:28.000 Exactly.

00:05:29.000 So instead of explaining that, and instead of the medical system trying to get that kid off of this treadmill of pharmaceuticals, we're prescribing statins We're prescribing metformin, which has doubled in the past five years among high schoolers, and then antidepressants.

00:05:41.000 You talk to any parent with high school kids, they're prescribed like candy.

00:05:44.000 Benzos.

00:05:45.000 Xanax.

00:05:47.000 And now the American Academy of Pediatrics, which is paid for by pharma, is saying ozempic should be the first-line defense for 12-year-olds.

00:05:53.000 And they're doing studies on 6-year-olds.

00:05:56.000 So if you're a parent with a high schooler and your kid's a little bit distracted, it's Adderall, of course.

00:06:00.000 If your kid has slightly high cholesterol, it's statin.

00:06:02.000 High blood sugar, metformin.

00:06:04.000 Now if they're a little bit overweight, ozempic.

00:06:06.000 So the spiritual problem of this, where the healthcare system, which has bought off the academic research, which has bought off the politicians, which has bought off the levers of trust, they're saying it's just like COVID.

00:06:18.000 You're anti-science unless you give that kid Ozempic, unless you give that kid a statin.

00:06:22.000 And what's happening is absolute devastation among kids.

00:06:26.000 I mean, 50% of teens are overweight or obese.

00:06:29.000 It's 3% childhood obesity rate in Japan.

00:06:32.000 20% of teens have fatty liver disease.

00:06:35.000 40% of kids qualify as having a mental health disorder.

00:06:38.000 This is all new, right?

00:06:39.000 This is all just... How new?

00:06:41.000 When did it start to change?

00:06:42.000 This, you look at the graphs, it all started around 1990.

00:06:46.000 And, you know, just digging into the corruption, in 1990, the two largest food companies in the world were cigarette companies.

00:06:54.000 So, as the Surgeon General pushed the cigarette companies to, you know, pushed against cigarettes, they used their cash piles in the 1980s to buy food companies.

00:07:01.000 And Philip Morris and R.J.

00:07:02.000 Reynolds created the ultra-processed food industry.

00:07:04.000 It all traces to, actually, 1990.

00:07:07.000 And they lobbied for the food pyramid.

00:07:09.000 So, the food pyramid was created by the cigarette companies.

00:07:11.000 The two largest— Well, hilariously, cigarettes kept us skinny.

00:07:14.000 Exactly.

00:07:15.000 It would be healthier if the cigarette companies went back to making cigarettes.

00:07:23.000 Ironically, we were a healthier country when we were smoking.

00:07:26.000 That's just factually true.

00:07:27.000 You look at cancer rates, they've gone up orders of magnitude since the 1985 because

00:07:31.000 cigarette companies shifted their scientists to food.

00:07:34.000 That's what happened when they bought the food companies. 0.97

00:07:36.000 They shifted all their scientists.

00:07:37.000 From one addictive substance to another.

00:07:39.000 To another that they can sell to kids and everyone eats.

00:07:41.000 So that ushered in, in the 1990s, the percentage with the food pyramid, which was an ultra-processed

00:07:47.000 food marketing document, our diet flowed to ultra-processed food.

00:07:51.000 And my point is not to lecture anyone, not to lecture anyone what to eat or what to feed

00:07:55.000 their children, but to educate and tell people, as RFK is saying, this is corporate capture.

00:08:00.000 The USDA should not be paid for by the food industry to tell kids that we should be eating

00:08:06.000 ultra-processed food and that's safe when they contain demonstrably harmful ingredients.

00:08:11.000 That's corruption of science.

00:08:12.000 It's corruption of the free market.

00:08:13.000 And I think that's what we're starting to tap into.

00:08:15.000 Well, no, I mean, it would be like Marlboro donating to the American Lung Association.

00:08:18.000 Yeah, it'd be like Anheuser-Busch donating to Alcoholics Anonymous.

00:08:24.000 It makes no sense, yeah.

00:08:25.000 Which, I don't know if they do or not.

00:08:28.000 So, is there any evidence that the cigarette companies going into food, that they had the intent to go into something addictive?

00:08:37.000 Oh, this is something I talk about a lot.

00:08:39.000 They bought the rationale of buying food companies.

00:08:44.000 Again, just to set the context, Philip Morris and R.J.

00:08:46.000 Reynolds, now it's like Google and Microsoft, they were top 10 most valuable companies in the world in the 1980s, the biggest cash piles of any company in human history.

00:08:56.000 So this is a documented shareholder education.

00:08:58.000 We are going to buy food companies, and we're going to use our scientists strategically to make food more palatable and make it more addictive.

00:09:05.000 And then they were also going to use their lobbying power to buy off the USDA and the FDA.

00:09:10.000 So the toxic stew that our children exist in right now, where the USDA to this day says a diet 92% and ultra-processed food can be healthy for kids, they recommend added sugar to two-year-olds.

00:09:22.000 I don't have any lecture to any parent what to feed their kids, but the USDA should not be recommending sugar to your two-year-olds.

00:09:28.000 Where did the food pyramid come from?

00:09:30.000 It was a lobbying instrument from the cigarette industry about food companies.

00:09:34.000 They very strategically paid the Sugar Research Council at Harvard to create research saying sugar doesn't cause obesity, and that carbs were really important, and that animal-based fats were vilified.

00:09:45.000 This is research from Harvard.

00:09:46.000 Everyone can look it up.

00:09:47.000 The Sugar Research Council.

00:09:49.000 They then use this research, and this is what I saw working for these industries.

00:09:52.000 You pay off the Harvard researchers.

00:09:54.000 It's like PR.

00:09:55.000 It's like buying PR.

00:09:56.000 They're coin-operated.

00:09:58.000 Then you take those studies saying sugar doesn't cause obesity, and you slam that on the table of the regulators.

00:10:03.000 The regulators are also paid by the food companies.

00:10:05.000 So it creates, through a very strategic effort of using the Harvard research to influence the USDA, it creates the food pyramid, which said animal-based fats are bad, which said carbs are the center, sugar is the center.

00:10:18.000 And Americans listen to medical authorities.

00:10:20.000 We shifted our diet, 20% of our diet, to carbs in the next 10 years. 0.97

00:10:25.000 So by the... and every parent who fed their kids this crap thought they were doing the 0.94

00:10:29.000 right thing, you know, because they were listening to the science. 0.98

00:10:32.000 So that's how it works.

00:10:33.000 It's co-option of our institutions.

00:10:34.000 There's so many questions I have.

00:10:35.000 The book is Good Energy.

00:10:36.000 It's terrific.

00:10:38.000 And I have questions about, are American carbohydrates the same as European carbohydrates?

00:10:42.000 Because there's this idea that the way that we farm is different than Europe, so then even if a carb-heavy diet in Europe actually might be more beneficial than here.

00:10:49.000 So many questions here.

00:10:50.000 So, Callie, some people say the food pyramid came from Sweden or something like that.

00:10:56.000 Is that correct?

00:10:57.000 No, the U.S.

00:10:58.000 ties based on corrupt incentives pushed on by industry, ties their guidelines, and they force Europe

00:11:05.000 and any country we do deals with on science to adhere to their standards.

00:11:09.000 We drive everything.

00:11:10.000 Is there something to be said, again, we're gonna bounce all over the place here,

00:11:13.000 so you gotta entertain me with this, that the carbohydrates in Europe are different than here?

00:11:18.000 For example, so many times people say, I traveled to Italy, I can have the pasta,

00:11:21.000 I feel fine afterwards.

00:11:23.000 Is there any merit to that argument?

00:11:24.000 There's a lot of merit.

00:11:25.000 So fundamentally, there's two levels here.

00:11:28.000 The first is that ultra processed food is weaponized for us to eat more, so calorie consumption's gone way up

00:11:32.000 because this food hijacks our biology very purposely and makes us wanna eat more

00:11:37.000 when you can't really overeat steak.

00:11:38.000 So that's, we're eating more.

00:11:40.000 The second thing, a byproduct of food companies just, it makes sense, wants to make food cheaper and more addictive.

00:11:45.000 We've gone to industrial farming and really through corruption have blown past a lot of the standards any other country has.

00:11:52.000 So we spray our crops with glyphosate.

00:11:56.000 This is a huge, huge problem.

00:11:58.000 This is being totally phased out of Europe and the rest of the world.

00:12:01.000 And these ultra-processed grains that are sprayed with chemicals that are known neurotoxins, that are then processed in a way that takes the fiber off, so they're basically just hidden sugar.

00:12:11.000 You know, by the time it gets into our bodies through this packaged food, it's indistinguishable.

00:12:17.000 And you know, in France, I don't want to give France any credit whatsoever, but they have real standards around their food and their crops are not sprayed with these toxic chemicals.

00:12:27.000 So, so I think you're going to continue to see our grains and the stuff we spread on them.

00:12:32.000 It's doing terrible things to our cells just because it's hidden sugar, but it's also disrupting our microbiome, which is something we should be really paying attention to.

00:12:39.000 Oh, of course.

00:12:39.000 Our guts are destroyed right now, and we're not getting the prebiotics or the probiotics necessary to culture the billions of dollars, billions of healthy bacteria needed in our stomach.

00:12:48.000 So, let me just pause.

00:12:50.000 So, we spray with glyphosate here in America still, which is a pesticide?

00:12:54.000 It's a pesticide, and as Casey talked about this so eloquently at Tucker, it's a pesticide that comes largely from China.

00:13:01.000 And it's actually being phased out of Chinese food.

00:13:04.000 It's being phased out of Europe food.

00:13:05.000 Why do we do that?

00:13:07.000 What is their argument?

00:13:07.000 If you had a pro-glyphosate guy here, what would he say?

00:13:10.000 They would say that it is absolutely existential that food is as cheap as possible.

00:13:16.000 And what the food industry does is, after World War II, we had to feed the world and we invented processed food.

00:13:20.000 We invented ways to make cheap grains, make it shelf-stable, and ship it all over the world.

00:13:25.000 Yes.

00:13:25.000 we move from a regenerative situation where food was born together, you didn't need pesticides

00:13:30.000 because it was natural, the animals provided natural pesticides, to where we have long

00:13:33.000 rows of crops.

00:13:34.000 Yes.

00:13:35.000 What's happened is they've...

00:13:36.000 This is a soil issue, right?

00:13:37.000 Yeah, they've taken this, I think, good intentions from post-World War II to make food as cheap

00:13:41.000 as possible, and actually there's an unintended consequence where our soil is now, they say

00:13:46.000 it has 40 seasons left, it's being totally depleted.

00:13:49.000 A tomato, organic in America today, has 70% less nutrients than it did 50 years ago.

00:13:55.000 So our food is being, because we're not growing it naturally, as they do, frankly, in Europe,

00:14:00.000 it's being depleted of nutrients.

00:14:02.000 And because we have them all lined up so that they can be cropped efficiently, we have to

00:14:07.000 spray them with these herbicides, which literally is to kill what's on it, and that goes into

00:14:13.000 our guts.

00:14:14.000 So this is not the free market.

00:14:19.000 The agencies co-opting the government to have no oversight of this and have our kids' microbiomes absolutely out of control is not the free market.

00:14:28.000 That's my big point.

00:14:29.000 It's actually government capture.

00:14:32.000 For sure.

00:14:33.000 How does Europe then grow their food?

00:14:34.000 Yeah, I mean, the foundational premise we talk about in the book is that we really should be looking at what people ate 10,000 years ago, what we're evolutionarily made to eat, and eat that.

00:14:43.000 Fundamentally, if you're raising grains the way they have been normally made, you know, without a ton of pesticides on them, that's a good thing.

00:14:50.000 In Europe, the meat is generally grass-fed and how it's been used to grow, not in a factory.

00:14:55.000 The grains are not poisoned.

00:14:56.000 So, Callie, then, the pro-glyphosate crew would say cost.

00:15:00.000 So how much more expensive would it be to do non-pesticide, non-glyphosate mass farming at industrial scale that would then give us more nutrients and also allow the soil to naturally regenerate?

00:15:14.000 Because that's the problem, right?

00:15:15.000 You have to cycle, is that correct?

00:15:17.000 You have to allow... If you don't do pesticides and kill all of the worms and all of the... I have a very lame understanding here.

00:15:24.000 I'm not an expert.

00:15:25.000 How much more expensive would a celery be than what it is now?

00:15:29.000 So I want to back up from the cost, and this is what RFK and President Trump are talking about more.

00:15:34.000 The American experiment will end, the chief reason is because we've got fat, sick, depressed, infertile because of our food.

00:15:43.000 And that is leading to astronomical health care costs.

00:15:45.000 So if you look at the graph, we're spending per capita two to three times more than European countries on health care costs.

00:15:51.000 So any person that came down to see what's happening to American civilization would say we're poisoning ourselves just foundationally.

00:15:57.000 And this is not political, right?

00:15:58.000 We are poisoning ourselves. 0.99

00:15:59.000 We are feeding kids processed toxic crap, and that is leading to trillions of dollars of downstream health impacts. 0.83

00:16:06.000 So, interestingly, again, I hate to give Europe credit, but Europe, they have a two times per capita lower health care cost, but spend a little bit more on food.

00:16:13.000 So, I would urge everyone to see our regenerative farming budget as part of our health care budget.

00:16:18.000 If we're going to have the money, we should fund it.

00:16:21.000 It's nothing short of a moral blind spot.

00:16:24.000 No, I'm right there with you.

00:16:25.000 That we don't see these things connected.

00:16:26.000 So, how much more expense?

00:16:28.000 10%, 15%, 20%?

00:16:29.000 Well, you'd have to have a shift over, but actually regenerative farming now produces higher crop output per acre.

00:16:34.000 Higher yield.

00:16:35.000 Higher yield per acre.

00:16:36.000 Let me tell you the other part that makes this difficult.

00:16:38.000 Farmers don't want to do this.

00:16:42.000 I talk to farmers, they say, we're never going back to regenerative.

00:16:44.000 Pesticides are the best thing ever.

00:16:47.000 And they have a lot of power in this country.

00:16:49.000 And I think if you talk to farmers, a lot of them are behind what's happening with Robert Kennedy and President Trump.

00:16:56.000 I actually think if you push farmers on other angles, they're not too happy with the USDA agriculture incentives.

00:17:03.000 I think farmers do have to play by the incentives.

00:17:07.000 We subsidize ultra-processed food ingredients, corn, soy, wheat, these core kind of ultra-processed food crops with 95% of agriculture subsidies.

00:17:13.000 We've totally rigged the market.

00:17:15.000 So they are filtered and the only way they can make money is through this industrial monocropping with ultra-processed food ingredients.

00:17:23.000 I don't think small farmers are very happy right now.

00:17:25.000 I think it's all moving to the big guys, and that's actually putting us at threat.

00:17:28.000 I think it's putting our food system at threat, being super consolidated right now.

00:17:31.000 I don't think individual farmers are that happy with USDA agriculture subsidies and incentives.

00:17:37.000 I'm just saying, they tend to push back against this idea of regenerative farming.

00:17:42.000 Listen, I know farmers are going to make the right decision.

00:17:45.000 This is what President Trump's talking about.

00:17:47.000 This is what Robert Kennedy's... Let's go one step back.

00:17:50.000 We are incentivizing the wrong thing.

00:17:52.000 Let's just change the incentives.

00:17:53.000 No, of course.

00:17:53.000 Let's just change the incentives.

00:17:54.000 So I have a strong belief... We have a ton.

00:17:59.000 Of billions of dollars of incentives that create and incentivize our ultra-processed food system.

00:18:04.000 If that follows the science, and just even taking those incentives away, we'd be at a mud... I trust farmers to make the right decision, but we incentivize them to use these toxic chemicals.

00:18:14.000 I'm not saying we should ban them.

00:18:16.000 At the very first step, I think the USDA and the NIH should say what scientifically these chemicals do.

00:18:23.000 My point, and this is something RFK is talking a lot about, no command and control regulation.

00:18:28.000 I want the science to be clear.

00:18:31.000 I want, let's just at least be on the same page about what glyphosate is doing.

00:18:35.000 Then the public policy chips can fall where they may.

00:18:38.000 I do think if you get into what I, and you know, President Trump can obviously speak for himself, but if you get into what I would recommend, the first year should be about the truth.

00:18:47.000 It should not be about any taxes, any ban—like, get that off the table.

00:18:50.000 But the USDA should be saying, like they're doing in Europe and around the world, what these Chinese chemicals that we're subsidizing and spraying our food, what they're doing. 0.82

00:18:58.000 We should all just be on the same page.

00:19:00.000 And we have a similar thing where we have with COVID, where we're just not getting the correct information because these industries that make and profit from this system have bought the institutions off.

00:19:09.000 They've bought the science off.

00:19:11.000 So what to do?

00:19:12.000 I don't know.

00:19:13.000 Get the truth out and stop changing, change the incentives that are incentivizing this industrial monocropping and work with farmers to get back to a free market is what I would say.

00:19:23.000 So I totally agree.

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00:20:42.000 If we have some semblance of a free market system, how will it ever then be in the healthcare company's best interest to heal when you can make more money when they're sick?

00:20:53.000 You say that.

00:20:54.000 How do you fix that?

00:20:55.000 I say this as a free market guy, and it is the best contention of the anti-free market crusaders.

00:21:01.000 Well, let's take Medicaid.

00:21:02.000 So Medicaid is a piggy bank for pharma where fundamentally it incentivizes more people to be sick.

00:21:10.000 So we spend more to treat metabolic conditions on Medicaid than the whole defense budget.

00:21:15.000 Farmer created Medicaid, and we have that government program, right?

00:21:20.000 It doesn't kick in until the poor person gets high cholesterol, and then it pays for that statin for the rest of their life.

00:21:25.000 It pays for the metformin for the rest of their life.

00:21:26.000 It pays for the Ozempic now, it appears, for the rest of their life. 1.00

00:21:31.000 Fundamentally, Medicaid is incentivized for more sick people to be sick.

00:21:36.000 So we have this government program.

00:21:38.000 So just think about it.

00:21:39.000 If somebody is diabetic, under 30, they're going to generate millions of dollars of taxpayer annuities to pharma.

00:21:49.000 So, that's corporate corruption, right?

00:21:51.000 The fact that literally a poor person is incentivized to get sick, to not to get healthy, to not practice metabolic healthy habits, and just to go on drugs is a problem.

00:22:00.000 And then, pharma's rigged it that there's, you know, Ozimbic costs ten times more than Germany and Scandinavia.

00:22:07.000 So, they have to pay that full price.

00:22:08.000 So, the way our systems are actually designed is fundamentally incentivized.

00:22:12.000 How is Ozimbic more in this country than in their home country? 1.00

00:22:15.000 So this is something President Trump's talked about, and frankly, you know, President Biden's talked about.

00:22:20.000 Biden's done nothing on it, but it makes no sense.

00:22:23.000 There is no free market rationale.

00:22:25.000 We are paying on average three times more for drugs.

00:22:27.000 Who sets these rates?

00:22:29.000 The pharmaceutical companies.

00:22:30.000 Why does the government accept it?

00:22:31.000 Obamacare put it in that there can be no negotiation whatsoever.

00:22:36.000 So you have all these coupons.

00:22:37.000 So if you're buying Ozempic out of pocket, you'll get a coupon from the drug companies and you'll pay, you know, $700.

00:22:44.000 But by law, by law, the Medicare and Medicaid cannot use the coupon.

00:22:49.000 They have to pay the full sticker price.

00:22:51.000 So at Ozempic, there's a big bill to have it count for Medicare and Medicaid.

00:22:55.000 It's going to be $1,600 per person per month from the government, and there's a target market of almost 80% of Americans who are overweight or obese.

00:23:01.000 This is how the system—so you have fundamentally government as the main payer.

00:23:05.000 It's the biggest part of our budget.

00:23:06.000 It's the fastest-growing part of our budget.

00:23:09.000 And the reason health care costs are growing is because of this embedded incentive that the laws are made by this corrupted industry.

00:23:16.000 They've got the science from academic institutions where I was funneling money as a lobbyist to get reports saying right now they're literally saying obesity is genetic.

00:23:25.000 It's not tied to lifestyle.

00:23:27.000 That's what Harvard is literally saying.

00:23:28.000 So they're using those reports to say we have to subsidize these drugs and we have the sick care system.

00:23:33.000 So, it's not actually that hard.

00:23:35.000 I mean, fundamentally, the first thing you have to do is just have the scientists say the right thing.

00:23:39.000 But the FDA is 75% funded by pharma.

00:23:42.000 I mean, that's something Trump could change. 0.98

00:23:43.000 So, I mean, what you're saying, though, and I agree, is that scientists are basically hookers. 0.99

00:23:47.000 A hundred percent. 0.99

00:23:48.000 Listen, listen.

00:23:49.000 They're not independent thinkers.

00:23:50.000 They just take money and they do whatever. 1.00

00:23:52.000 They're basically prostitutes. 1.00

00:23:53.000 My sister talked about this eloquently. 0.99

00:23:54.000 I'm not doubting it.

00:23:55.000 I'm just trying to make sure.

00:23:56.000 No, no, no.

00:23:57.000 Yes, yes.

00:23:58.000 I think the genius of the system is that you take a lot of good people and put them into that position.

00:24:02.000 But, fundamentally, at Stanford Med School, as my sister talks about, they are trying to be janitors.

00:24:06.000 They are trying to profit from the mess.

00:24:08.000 They are absolutely un-incentivized.

00:24:09.000 When my sister brought up a dietary intervention for somebody that had chronic migraines,

00:24:13.000 she was told, they used a very bad word, they said, don't be a PU, they called her a slur,

00:24:20.000 and they said, that's not serious medicine.

00:24:23.000 We give people drugs and cut people open, you didn't go to dietician school. 0.96

00:24:27.000 So that's the culture embedded, is that serious medicine is a scalpel and a prescription

00:24:34.000 pad.

00:24:34.000 And again, this core spiritual crisis we're in right now is we're detached from our soil.

00:24:40.000 We're detached from our food.

00:24:42.000 We're attached from just fund the Sun.

00:24:45.000 We're detached from this fundamental inputs that create health and we're told there's a Savior with a jab or with a pill that dynamic is producing an unhealthy unhappy population and just mathematically will bankrupt us.

00:24:59.000 So let's take one of the countries you mentioned.

00:25:03.000 Japan has 3% childhood obesity.

00:25:05.000 We have 50% childhood obesity.

00:25:08.000 50% of teens are overweight or obese.

00:25:11.000 Not quite.

00:25:11.000 What are two things Japan does that we don't do that we should adopt?

00:25:17.000 Yeah, if things the president can sign tomorrow is Japan, it doesn't allow their scientific research institutions to be paid by food or pharma companies.

00:25:26.000 So they're paid by the government?

00:25:28.000 Yeah.

00:25:30.000 I don't think NIH grants should stop, but 80% of NIH grants go to a professor at a university with a direct conflict of interest.

00:25:39.000 No, what I'm getting at, and I can say this as a free market guy, we're kind of a victim of our own model, though.

00:25:43.000 100%.

00:25:43.000 Is that we worship markets, we love markets, but markets have kind of created this insidious corporate oligarchy that then influenced the intellectual positions that then, of course, influence what we do.

00:25:55.000 Yeah, and I think what has to happen is we need to, you know, just ask simple questions.

00:26:01.000 I mean, should Harvard Med School be able to have 50% of their budget from pharma as they're receiving billions of dollars of government grants?

00:26:08.000 They say there's no conflict of interest.

00:26:09.000 They say it doesn't even matter.

00:26:11.000 Should government regulators and people on government nutrition panels be able to accept money from food and pharma

00:26:16.000 companies who are making nutrition guidelines?

00:26:17.000 I mean if you can just get that corruption out you get to the truth

00:26:20.000 You like like our it matters what our scientific leaders say it happened during Kobe

00:26:25.000 I mean Kobe was the worst public policy disaster in American history. We are not learning the lesson

00:26:30.000 So Callie, I just want to put a bow on this part of the conversation because by the way, I'm incredibly passionate

00:26:36.000 about this I eat, like, only six foods.

00:26:38.000 I don't have sugar.

00:26:39.000 I have dessert twice a year.

00:26:40.000 You know, I don't drink.

00:26:41.000 I'm very much passionate about this stuff, and it's so easy to gain weight in this country.

00:26:46.000 Oh, my goodness.

00:26:47.000 So, what is metabolic dysfunction?

00:26:49.000 So my sister graduated med school and had to choose one of 42 specialties. 0.91

00:26:54.000 We'd segment the body and disease into all these different silos.

00:26:58.000 Metabolic health is what's happening to our cells, how our cells are powering our body, which is fueled by simple things like our amount of sunlight, our amount of sleep, the food that we're eating.

00:27:07.000 And if you look at the top killers of Americans, 9 out of 10 killers of Americans are foundationally metabolic disorders.

00:27:14.000 They're foodborne illnesses.

00:27:15.000 I mean, you could wipe heart disease, diabetes, kidney disease, upper respiratory infection, even COVID deaths.

00:27:21.000 You look at COVID deaths.

00:27:22.000 COVID was an attack on our weakened immune system.

00:27:25.000 People in Japan died three times at a lower rate per capita than the people in the U.S.

00:27:29.000 COVID should have been a wake-up call.

00:27:30.000 And this is where the corruption comes in, right?

00:27:32.000 There could have been a moment where Dr. Fauci, you know, stood up there And talked about how this is a wake-up call for our immune system, right?

00:27:40.000 This is a wake-up call of how we got to harden up a little bit and steer our collective healthcare thinking to get the corruption of food and pharma out and actually talk about how basic habits.

00:27:49.000 I mean, again, this isn't political, but it's just like we can't go on continuing to poison ourselves.

00:27:54.000 Kids get two hours less sleep than they did a hundred years ago.

00:27:57.000 Kids are sitting in such a sedentary environment at schools and our incentives that 77% of

00:28:03.000 21-year-olds are not eligible to join the military and the military is considering lowering

00:28:07.000 the standards because we have such a metabolic health crisis.

00:28:11.000 Metabolic health is how our cells are powered and if our cells are not powered correctly,

00:28:15.000 that the cells in the brain show up as depression, the cells in the liver show up as liver issues.

00:28:20.000 I mean, this is the foundational...

00:28:22.000 Sorry to interrupt.

00:28:23.000 What powers metabolic health?

00:28:25.000 Sleep?

00:28:25.000 Diet?

00:28:26.000 Whether or not you're putting toxins in your system, right?

00:28:28.000 Alcohol?

00:28:28.000 Drugs?

00:28:30.000 Processed food?

00:28:31.000 I know you talk about this in the book, but are you getting vitamin D exposure to sunlight, right?

00:28:36.000 Exercise?

00:28:37.000 Movement?

00:28:38.000 Hydration?

00:28:39.000 That's it.

00:28:39.000 I mean, you just said it.

00:28:40.000 If there's something I'm missing, then tell me.

00:28:42.000 No, we go step by step through those exact factors.

00:28:45.000 I mean, the key thing that Casey learned at Stanford Medical School, and I learned as a lobbyist for pharma, is the goal is to make it complicated.

00:28:52.000 The goal is to make you think that your heart issues, your high cholesterol, high blood sugar, obesity, depression are different siloed issues.

00:29:02.000 Fundamentally, if you are getting the right amount of omega-3s and omega-3 supplementation, that's a more effective intervention for depression than an antidepressant.

00:29:11.000 Fundamentally, diabetes is not... Same with methylfolate.

00:29:14.000 It's way more... I have it right here.

00:29:16.000 We go through the supplementation... Much better than SSRIs or benzos.

00:29:20.000 100%.

00:29:20.000 So, yeah, foundationally, at the highest level, We have kids in sedentary environments force-fed ultra-processed food with a weapon of mass destruction for chronic stress in their pocket, and we're drugging them.

00:29:35.000 When their core inputs that impact their cells, that impact their cells' ability to make energy, are under threat.

00:29:41.000 We have to understand this environment the kids are living in and talk openly about that.

00:29:46.000 It starts with the science not being corrupted.

00:29:48.000 So, I want to make sure we're fair about the American healthcare system.

00:29:51.000 There's one thing the healthcare system is good at, and that is acute.

00:29:54.000 100%.

00:29:54.000 What is the difference between acute versus chronic?

00:29:56.000 I always say, a gunshot wound, we're one of the best in the world to make sure that you don't die.

00:30:00.000 Heart attack, we know how to put you under, right through the wrist, we'll make sure that we can put a stint in your heart. 1.00

00:30:06.000 What is the difference between acute and chronic?

00:30:07.000 Because as soon as it gets into chronic, we are some of the worst.

00:30:11.000 You're reading from our book, literally.

00:30:12.000 Because I have read your book.

00:30:15.000 I cannot stress that enough.

00:30:17.000 There was never a chronic disease treatment, ever, until the birth control pill in 1960.

00:30:23.000 And the medical system said, oh my gosh, somebody could take a pill for longer than a week.

00:30:26.000 You know, it used to just be antibiotics, and you know, you cure the issue.

00:30:31.000 In 1960, 0% of the medical budget was chronic conditions.

00:30:34.000 Today it's 95%.

00:30:37.000 All medical attention after World War II, taking the trust of antibiotics and medical innovations to help win World War II, they said, we can convince people of lifestyle conditions.

00:30:46.000 So by 1970s, 30% of American women were on Valium.

00:30:49.000 The cover of Time Magazine was Valium Nation.

00:30:51.000 Very addictive, harmful drug.

00:30:53.000 Heard a lot of people talk about it.

00:30:54.000 Mommy's Little Helper, they called it in advertisements.

00:30:57.000 And, you know, we just started racking up today where we educated people that heart

00:31:02.000 disease was a STAN deficiency, et cetera, et cetera.

00:31:04.000 It's a rite of passage.

00:31:05.000 But what has happened with every single chronic disease treatment, the rates of the chronic

00:31:10.000 disease that it's trying to treat has gone up.

00:31:12.000 Because if you take your STAN but continue to pour metabolic unhealthy things into your

00:31:16.000 body, continue to eat toxins, you're going to not get better.

00:31:20.000 STANs have not lowered rates of heart disease.

00:31:22.000 It's only exploded.

00:31:23.000 Has SSRIs lowered rates of depression?

00:31:26.000 So you fundamentally have this kind of a lie.

00:31:30.000 But it's very profitable.

00:31:31.000 And we've co-opted this system.

00:31:33.000 You know, the medical journals were funded in the 70s by the Sackler family.

00:31:37.000 They created a bunch of fake medical journals to push this.

00:31:40.000 You know, you start going down.

00:31:42.000 So that's the simple dynamic.

00:31:43.000 The birth control pill unleashed this observation that you can get people on pills for a long

00:31:47.000 period of time.

00:31:48.000 And all medical attention went to people getting recurring revenue hooked on these issues.

00:31:53.000 Now, if you have a complicated childbirth, a gunshot wound, a burst appendix, 100%.

00:31:57.000 But that's only 5% of medical spending right now.

00:31:59.000 That's only 5%.

00:32:00.000 An infection, whatever.

00:32:02.000 Go see the doctor.

00:32:03.000 But if your doctor is pulling out a prescription pad to get your kid on a statin, or something that's not going to kill you or your kid right away.

00:32:12.000 Yes.

00:32:14.000 So I want to get right into the specific of this, which I think is the number one contention.

00:32:23.000 So we're very blessed in our family.

00:32:24.000 We don't feed our kids sugar.

00:32:26.000 We spend Probably a thousand bucks a week on food, groceries, all that.

00:32:31.000 For a family that says, I want to feed my kid avocados, coconut milk, I want healthy fats, salmon, but I can't afford it.

00:32:39.000 Outside of what we want to do from a public policy standpoint, is it possible to not feed your kid Lunchables on a budget?

00:32:46.000 We go through it step by step in the book.

00:32:48.000 I have two messages on that.

00:32:51.000 Number one, there is a bottoms-up here.

00:32:53.000 We're getting systemically screwed, but to a mom, a lower-income mom, who says that I can only... My heart goes out to them.

00:32:59.000 It does.

00:33:00.000 But I want to be clear.

00:33:02.000 If she says I can only afford Lunchables, my response would be, at the highest level, it is personal responsibility, you are poisoning your child.

00:33:09.000 And you are setting your child up for a life of more metabolic dysfunction.

00:33:12.000 If your child gets diabetes by the time they're 30, they're going to die 15 years younger than an average American.

00:33:16.000 They're going to have a four times higher chance of committing suicide.

00:33:20.000 They're going to be a less happy, more tortured child.

00:33:23.000 We are poisoning our children at scale. 0.99

00:33:25.000 And to that mom, I would say it is your responsibility to do whatever you need to do to not feed your kid ultra processed crap. 0.99

00:33:32.000 And it just literally gets down to that. 0.97

00:33:34.000 Not even getting organic or this other stuff.

00:33:35.000 If you can just take the 70% ultra-processed food is the average child right now, take

00:33:40.000 it down to 20% or below, your child is going to demonstrably live a much healthier, happier,

00:33:45.000 more productive life.

00:33:47.000 And I do think we need to be honest.

00:33:48.000 Like doctors, right, when it's about a drug or about a pharmaceutical injection, no cost

00:33:55.000 is too high.

00:33:56.000 And it's not worried about the mom's circumstances.

00:33:59.000 You know, when the medical system talks about prescribing drugs, there's no equivocation.

00:34:03.000 We need that same type of communication about food.

00:34:06.000 Why is the media censoring anyone who questions a pharmaceutical product but not taking that same stance to metabolic health and food?

00:34:14.000 And kind of a flippant attitude about it's kind of a foregone conclusion that kids are going to eat poisonous food.

00:34:19.000 When 9 out of 10 killers of Americans are chronic conditions, and 33% of young adults now are pre-diabetes, and 50% of teens are... It's actually a tone of the medical system.

00:34:27.000 So what should happen immediately is every single doctor with a child who's metabolic and healthy or overweight should be really clear with the mom that she is setting that child up for failure.

00:34:36.000 So we need actually bottoms up, obviously empowerment, to talk to people like adults.

00:34:42.000 We're poisoning our kids.

00:34:45.000 My heart absolutely goes out to that mom. 0.82

00:34:47.000 And from the top-down policy solutions, President Trump and the RNC platform, most people didn't see this, there was one big line on health.

00:34:55.000 It said, we support benefit flexibility.

00:34:56.000 And that's what we're talking about with HSAs.

00:34:58.000 A single mom should be able to have an account where it's not just top-down, your kid needs drugs. 1.00

00:35:04.000 Right now, Medicaid is like, okay, your kid has this, drugs.

00:35:07.000 And they wait for the kid to get sick.

00:35:09.000 What if, and this is what President Trump's talked about, this is what's in the RNC platform,

00:35:13.000 what if people had flexible accounts where that mom could actually choose 1.00

00:35:18.000 to invest in exercise for her child, to invest in actually research supplementation,

00:35:23.000 and actually keep that kid healthy?

00:35:25.000 I believe if we empower Americans with their healthcare dollars

00:35:28.000 and see these medically valid interventions, food is a medically valid intervention,

00:35:32.000 exercise is a medically valid intervention.

00:35:34.000 The problem is we have a one-size-fits-all system that does not trust Americans 0.91

00:35:39.000 and waits for them to get sick and then jams drugs down their throat.

00:35:42.000 That can be unwound very quickly.

00:35:46.000 So the mom that doesn't have the purchasing power that she wished she had, I agree, there's a way to make it work. 0.95

00:35:51.000 There is.

00:35:52.000 There's not as bad options out there, correct?

00:35:56.000 There's growing startups that have organic type competitors to juice boxes.

00:36:01.000 What then, I know you wrote this in the book, but advice or direction, farmers markets, at some point it's also, are you just being lazy and you want the easy way out?

00:36:12.000 Yeah, so as Casey talks about absolutely like we've had and she talks about this very eloquently that feminism has convinced people that it's somehow lesser to cook food for your family and we've absolutely been destroying like at home cooking.

00:36:24.000 So I think that is essential somebody in the partnership doing that.

00:36:28.000 And then, what do you buy?

00:36:30.000 You buy pasture-raised meat, ideally.

00:36:32.000 You buy organic fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds.

00:36:37.000 You know, you buy stuff that isn't in a box.

00:36:39.000 I mean, fundamentally, what we talk about there is, you know, you can get deeper.

00:36:42.000 You can get into the omega-3 versus omega-6 profile.

00:36:45.000 You can get into what type of antioxidants you need.

00:36:47.000 You can do personalized blood tests for just a couple hundred dollars and see what kind of nutrient deficiencies you have.

00:36:51.000 which absolutely tie to disease down the road, and look for food that matches those needs

00:36:56.000 that you have with your food.

00:36:58.000 But fundamentally, and we talk about this, and this is our big message,

00:37:01.000 if you can get your ultra-processed food consumption down to your family and figure out inexpensive ways

00:37:07.000 to bulk buy beef, to bulk buy some vegetables, and cook that for your family as much as humanly possible.

00:37:13.000 We also go through packaged and fast food alternatives that are healthier, but you've got to get

00:37:19.000 the ultra-processed foods.

00:37:20.000 There's three ingredients, Charlie, that I would really harp on.

00:37:23.000 It's added sugar, it's seed oils, and ultra-processed grains.

00:37:26.000 Would you say high fructose corn syrup too?

00:37:28.000 Added sugar, I would cut.

00:37:29.000 So there's 50 names for added sugars.

00:37:31.000 And then high fructose corn syrup is one of the worst offenders, because fructose actually

00:37:36.000 makes us want to eat more.

00:37:37.000 It actually hijacks our biology.

00:37:38.000 It subsidizes obesity.

00:37:39.000 So there's 50 names for sugar.

00:37:42.000 Then seed oils is really inflammatory, very cheap oil, not used in much of the rest of the world.

00:37:48.000 I think very problematic.

00:37:49.000 Is it true it came from John D. Rockerfield?

00:37:51.000 Yeah, so it was literally a byproduct of oil production.

00:37:54.000 They actually used it as engine lubricant.

00:37:56.000 And John D. Rockefeller lobbied to have this basically classified for human consumption because they had so much of it.

00:38:04.000 And literally, it greased the machinery that he used.

00:38:08.000 So he invented the seed oil industry.

00:38:11.000 And now seed oils are the top source of American calories.

00:38:15.000 Now, again, I want to be clear.

00:38:17.000 This is what we're talking, what I'm advising.

00:38:22.000 There's policy implications here, but we at least need to all be on a common knowledge about the facts.

00:38:27.000 It is probably not a good thing that the top source of American calories is engine lubricant that was created 80 years ago and we're not evolutionary made yet.

00:38:36.000 Again, I'm not a liberal, but I will say though that the higher up the income ladder you get, the more concern I see for healthy eating.

00:38:44.000 The lower, it's just they say, this is too expensive, it's too much.

00:38:47.000 I see the byproducts, I just, the healthy food stores, like True Foods for example, which I'm sure you're aware of, tend to be cloistered in higher income areas.

00:38:57.000 Luxury belief for the rich, being able to go to True Foods, have edamame, guacamole, and an ancient grains bowl with all naturally sourced stuff, and a single mom in the West Valley can barely afford her rent. 1.00

00:39:11.000 So, I'm saying getting her to care as much.

00:39:14.000 So, this is my framework on it, Charlie.

00:39:16.000 I think the fact that we see not poison your kids as a luxury belief is how far we've gotten away from, I think, the reality.

00:39:25.000 You can absolutely stereotype, you know, guacamole and organic quinoa.

00:39:30.000 But if you talk to that—you tell me, you're talking to a lot of them—if you talk to that lower-income voter, they're very concerned about their kids.

00:39:37.000 Of course.

00:39:38.000 It's just there's an exhaustion and fatigue, and there's just a financial despair.

00:39:43.000 So I think the Make America Healthy Again movement that is now brewing is actually—there's a couple steps before telling that voter to go to Whole Foods and buy organic quinoa.

00:39:55.000 It's actually, we need a political movement that's fighting to protect kids.

00:39:59.000 Perfect segue into politics.

00:40:02.000 Right now, you know, Michelle Obama was actually right that schools, you know, kind of subsidizing

00:40:08.000 really toxic ingredients for kids was a problem.

00:40:10.000 She actually got bought off.

00:40:11.000 They got to her and she shifted to exercise and got away from food.

00:40:13.000 Yeah, went from eating to just move.

00:40:16.000 She actually, it was too much heat.

00:40:19.000 The federal school lunch program is one of the largest sources of American calories.

00:40:24.000 It has no dietary guidelines whatsoever.

00:40:26.000 If we're going to spend that money, we shouldn't be subsidizing toxic food that's going to

00:40:29.000 cost trillions of dollars of downstream health impacts.

00:40:31.000 It's not conservative or liberal to have an opinion about that.

00:40:34.000 So what I would say to that single mom, and I think this is really the issue that I'm 1.00

00:40:38.000 really pushing and I'm advising on.

00:40:40.000 is it's not about lecturing anyone on food.

00:40:43.000 It's about creating a political movement that's fighting against the corrupt forces that are

00:40:47.000 profiting from poisoning and drugging our children.

00:40:50.000 And we can have a very systematic policy platform to chip away.

00:40:55.000 But this is the problem, right?

00:40:57.000 And I think this does connect with that voter.

00:40:59.000 There's forces at work that are making a lot of money by that poor child being sick.

00:41:05.000 A poor child who's a woman dies 15 years younger than a rich woman in America. 0.84

00:41:12.000 That is predominantly because of our toxic food environment.

00:41:15.000 And there is many, many things we can start to do to root out that corruption, those forces that profit from that kid being sick, well before, you know, lecturing them to go to Whole Foods.

00:41:26.000 So, you know Bobby Kennedy pretty well.

00:41:28.000 You've been advising both him and the Trump campaign.

00:41:30.000 What is your take on them combining forces?

00:41:33.000 Yeah, I just want to say this from my very small vantage point, is that this was not about horse trading.

00:41:38.000 This was not about, you know, kind of polling.

00:41:43.000 This was hours and hours of true emotional connection on what I think they've both talked about, like what issue could be more important?

00:41:51.000 What issue could be more important that a child born today is going to live shorter than their parents right now in America?

00:41:57.000 What is just more important that, you know, this epidemic rate of mental health issues and chronic disease among kids?

00:42:04.000 We are truly, when you look at the stats, poisoning our population.

00:42:09.000 And it's because of these forces that have propelled, I think, President Trump's movement.

00:42:13.000 There's this thing that people can't quite put their finger on, but there's dark forces against us and there's institutions that are failing.

00:42:20.000 They, again, from my small vantage point, all I can say is there was true bonding on that issue and a desire to put this existential topic more at the top of the national conversation.

00:42:34.000 No real deals or horse trading.

00:42:36.000 It was really just a bond over that, and I think you've seen that happening over the past couple days.

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00:43:47.000 So Callie, what can be done and maybe address my one concern?

00:43:51.000 The only thing that made me disagree in your segment with Tucker.

00:43:55.000 Wow, you listen carefully.

00:43:57.000 And I remember, too. 0.97

00:44:00.000 So fundamentally, the framework is stop recommending the crap and stop incentivizing it. 0.85

00:44:06.000 And I do think there's a meeting, actually, with 100 members of Congress in my coalition over the next month, bipartisan. 0.96

00:44:13.000 I mean, you know, there's a lot Congress can do.

00:44:16.000 But I'll just give a couple examples of how you just root out this corruption, root out this environment that's profitable against being sick.

00:44:23.000 So let me give you an example.

00:44:26.000 50% of TV news advertising budget comes from the pharmaceutical industry.

00:44:32.000 So the reason—you listen to Joe Rogan, you listen to your podcast, They're talking about kids being sick.

00:44:38.000 They're talking about what to eat.

00:44:39.000 They're talking about how to exercise correctly.

00:44:41.000 This is what Americans actually want to talk about.

00:44:42.000 There it is right there.

00:44:43.000 There literally is a drug commercial on there.

00:44:45.000 Not a single, not a single segment, not a single segment on the mainstream news about the fact that 33% of kids have prediabetes.

00:44:54.000 And then of course COVID, you know, was all about a pharmaceutical solution instead of the fact that this was preying on our immune systems.

00:45:00.000 There's not a bigger issue than the obesity and chronic disease crisis among kids, but the reason they don't talk about it is obvious, because they're paid for by pharma.

00:45:07.000 With one stroke of a pen, just as Reagan initiated D2C advertising, we cannot be the only country in the world that— Does it require legislative— No!

00:45:17.000 It was an executive order to an FDA department.

00:45:19.000 That was how it was created by Reagan.

00:45:21.000 I'm an amazing president, but I think a mistake on this one.

00:45:24.000 And there's nothing conservative or liberal that the pharmaceutical industry that, as a demonstrable fact— So wait, you can make it illegal to advertise?

00:45:30.000 Day one.

00:45:31.000 Yeah, and we're the only country that allows it.

00:45:32.000 And it's a beautiful situation, because that's a— Oh man, they would riot.

00:45:36.000 So it's a 90% support that would have, at least, and it would cut—maybe I'm telegraphing too much here—but They're going to freak out, but it would cut 50%.

00:45:44.000 I mean, everyone should be shorting media stocks.

00:45:48.000 Well, the media companies would riot, too.

00:45:49.000 They would.

00:45:49.000 They would say it's an assault on free speech, but it would be... Could you imagine a more beautiful situation than what they would possibly say?

00:45:56.000 Would they win in court?

00:45:57.000 No.

00:45:58.000 I mean, you know, no.

00:45:58.000 No, no.

00:46:00.000 I mean, this is an executive order thing, and this is the president.

00:46:03.000 Oh, I love that.

00:46:04.000 The president has a lot of constitutional authority, and we get in the state of emergency.

00:46:10.000 You know, the Federalist Papers talked about this.

00:46:11.000 There's several areas, including public health and, you know, taking executive authority on military stuff where the president is endowed with some authority.

00:46:21.000 And if the president sees a public health crisis like with COVID, there were a lot of that was executive authority.

00:46:27.000 There's no more important issue in the country right now than the chronic disease crisis or more.

00:46:31.000 And this would be undoing something.

00:46:33.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:46:33.000 It'd be an undoing executive order.

00:46:34.000 That's a stroke of a pen.

00:46:35.000 So if it could be done by executive order, it would be undone by an executive order.

00:46:37.000 And I'd urge President Biden to do it tomorrow.

00:46:39.000 He should.

00:46:40.000 But who would buy all this commercial airtime?

00:46:43.000 Well, you're advertising great stuff.

00:46:45.000 You're advertising wonderful, but it would not be good for the corporate media.

00:46:49.000 It's white noise.

00:46:49.000 It would not be good for the corporate media.

00:46:51.000 It's the white noise advertising carousel of Ozempic, and you've got to get Allegra, and it's just non-stop.

00:46:55.000 You could not watch the news or the Olympics without getting a new pharmaceutical product jammed down your face.

00:47:01.000 Simone Biles, you know, unfortunately, you know, it's GLP-1s, right?

00:47:05.000 So that, as I talked about with Talker, is not just to influence the consumers.

00:47:10.000 That's a way to influence the news itself.

00:47:11.000 By being the largest funder, they're able to call, and this is where it all connects, right?

00:47:15.000 Because they're like, hey, you're criticizing Ozympic, but I got this Harvard study saying Ozympic's perfect. 0.95

00:47:21.000 Like, that's misinformation.

00:47:22.000 So the gravitas of the academic research helps the news censor.

00:47:26.000 So that's number one.

00:47:28.000 You could, tomorrow, with a stroke of a pen, say that the USDA and NIH Guideline Committees that make guidelines on standards of care and nutrition guidelines can't take members that have conflicts of interest.

00:47:40.000 That sounds like something everyone would assume already happens.

00:47:43.000 That's not true.

00:47:44.000 As I mentioned, 95% of the USDA Nutrition Guideline Committee, 95% of the members take money from food and or pharma companies.

00:47:51.000 Literally, we have a co-opting of the systems.

00:47:55.000 The NIH recently came out during COVID.

00:47:57.000 NIH researchers made $800 million of royalties for COVID-era things, undisclosed.

00:48:04.000 Everyone sitting at the NIH and the USDA is on the payroll of the industries they're trying to regulate.

00:48:10.000 The FDA, as I mentioned, I can tell you from being in DC, and you know this, bureaucracies are built to grow.

00:48:16.000 How does the FDA grow?

00:48:18.000 They are paid for by pharma.

00:48:19.000 They're not paid for by taxpayers.

00:48:21.000 They are paid for by pharma user fees.

00:48:24.000 They just corrected RFK and I on a stat.

00:48:27.000 We said 50% of their budget comes from pharma.

00:48:29.000 They said, no, it's 47%.

00:48:31.000 And it's actually 75% when you get to actually approving of drugs.

00:48:35.000 So there's a simple set of executive orders, even without this state of emergency.

00:48:40.000 That that can be instituted by the president to just start targeting this corruption.

00:48:46.000 And then when you get the science right, you get the children's health right.

00:48:49.000 All roads lead back to big pharma. 0.61

00:48:51.000 I'll tell you, man, who would buy all this ridiculous advertising?

00:48:54.000 These companies would plummet. 0.87

00:48:57.000 That would be great.

00:48:58.000 He's got to do that day one.

00:48:59.000 So, Callie, state of emergency.

00:49:02.000 Yeah, my argument on that—so the president has clear constitutional authority to declare a state of emergency on a public health issue.

00:49:08.000 There's been dozens over time.

00:49:10.000 And let's just get at the highest level possible here.

00:49:14.000 We have, I think, agree, a true emergency when it comes to childhood chronic disease in this country.

00:49:20.000 I think it is one of the greatest examples of crony capitalism, the corruption that President Trump talks about has fueled his movement.

00:49:28.000 It is one of the most visceral areas, these institutions that have profited from kids being sick.

00:49:33.000 And it's existential because it's going to bankrupt our country.

00:49:35.000 It's 20 percent of GDP right now growing at an increasing rate, faster than any other industry.

00:49:39.000 It's going to be 40 percent.

00:49:40.000 I mean, the downfall of America will be because we let ourselves get sicker and then bankrupt our country while doing it.

00:49:46.000 So there is an emergency here.

00:49:48.000 And I think my just high level point, and just my personal opinion, is the Make America Healthy Again platform should be robustly working with bipartisan members of Congress and looking at executive actions To really build a movement around getting kids healthier.

00:50:07.000 And I think as you do that, you actually uncover and shine light on systemic regulatory capture that is hurting our country in many other areas that we're talking about from the military-industrial complex to what I would argue is, frankly, an education-industrial complex that does not have our kids' interests at heart.

00:50:27.000 So I think that would just be my personal argument is, a platform of robust action.

00:50:32.000 And I would just say, and this is what my opinion is, I'm advising strongly on, this is not hard to unwind.

00:50:39.000 You don't think so?

00:50:40.000 I don't, I really don't.

00:50:41.000 This has happened quickly and it can be unwound quickly. 0.93

00:50:43.000 I don't think that an American is lazier than an Italian.

00:50:48.000 And the diabetes rate in Italy is like three times less and the obesity rate substantially less.

00:50:53.000 There's just different policies and incentives in place.

00:50:58.000 And again, I think that flows from the science.

00:51:01.000 It just flows from the fact of like knowing that glyphosate is like.

00:51:06.000 crushing our microbiomes, and we have neurotoxins in our food. It's like just,

00:51:10.000 just, we should just hear the truth and let the policy chips fall where they may.

00:51:14.000 But it starts with getting the corruption out. I actually think it's

00:51:17.000 breathtaking how much our country's been brought to its knees by the corruption

00:51:21.000 of our scientific entities. I mean, have we not learned a lesson from COVID and

00:51:26.000 the worst public policy mistake in American history with the lockdowns? I mean...

00:51:29.000 Some have. Some have, for sure.

00:51:31.000 I have two questions.

00:51:31.000 My eyes have been opened.

00:51:33.000 For your health agenda, do you believe Donald Trump is the best choice to advance that?

00:51:38.000 I have been engaging with all sides of the aisle.

00:51:41.000 After my mom died, my sister and I declared we devote our lives to this issue.

00:51:46.000 I have gone to the White House.

00:51:48.000 I have met with members of Congress.

00:51:50.000 The two people, the two sides that have followed up and shown a genuine, deep, emotional, almost spiritual connection to this issue is the Trump campaign and the RFK campaign.

00:52:00.000 And right now, they're the people who understand this issue, and they're the people who are going to fight with us.

00:52:06.000 Is corporate media generally embracing your message and what you talk about in your book?

00:52:13.000 Yeah, the book Good Energy is the number one book in the country, number one on Amazon charts the past 14 days.

00:52:13.000 Good energy.

00:52:21.000 We thank Tucker for that.

00:52:22.000 But there's a real movement brewing.

00:52:25.000 The best-selling health book this year, we have had a complete and utter blackout from mainstream media.

00:52:30.000 So why won't the media cover the number one book in the world?

00:52:33.000 This book is in my sister's voice, and it is not one word of politics or partisanship.

00:52:39.000 It is a manual for personal empowerment.

00:52:41.000 It really hits on what you've been probing on, Charlie, of what a family can do on a budget.

00:52:46.000 It is a positive book, and I have heard from friends behind the scenes at NBC and other networks that because it even hints on a criticism of pharmaceutical

00:52:56.000 companies and food companies, which are their two largest advertisers, it's a complete

00:52:59.000 I mean, but look, I just hope our audience understands you have the number one book in

00:52:59.000 blackout.

00:53:04.000 the country that hints about criticizing a powerful institution and media now protects

00:53:09.000 powerful institutions?

00:53:10.000 The media used to be the referee and- Or should be, in the ideal.

00:53:14.000 Yeah, it used to be.

00:53:16.000 It is the protector of industries.

00:53:19.000 It is the referee of what acceptable debate is.

00:53:22.000 This book is an empowerment manual to take our health back, to understand our blood tests, to use bio-wearables.

00:53:29.000 It has detailed shopping lists of what food to buy.

00:53:32.000 You know, it's an empowerment manual.

00:53:34.000 In the midst of an undebatable chronic disease catastrophe happening to the American people where 80% of adults are overweight or obese.

00:53:41.000 I mean, some things happen.

00:53:42.000 Infertility we didn't even talk about.

00:53:44.000 Male sperm count is plummeting.

00:53:45.000 Why do you think that is?

00:53:46.000 Why is infertility skyrocketing?

00:53:48.000 Our body is crying out for help.

00:53:49.000 Our core evolutionary function.

00:53:51.000 It's the same point I made about metabolic health.

00:53:53.000 You look at PCOS.

00:53:55.000 Nobody knows this.

00:53:56.000 No doctor talks about this.

00:53:57.000 PCOS is insulin resistance.

00:53:59.000 Casey talked about this on Tucker.

00:54:00.000 It is literally the same branch as diabetes.

00:54:04.000 PCOS not only can be reversed quickly through a keto diet, it also is a warning sign that mother has essentially some kind of early diabetes.

00:54:11.000 We have a friend who their doctor was like, oh, you have PCOS.

00:54:14.000 She didn't believe the doctor.

00:54:16.000 Two months did a prolon fast. I know diet got pregnant 30 days like six days later 1.00

00:54:21.000 They wanted to put her on drugs. Oh, yeah, and all this and she went back to the doctor was like well

00:54:25.000 I got pregnant all these like oh weird things happen sometimes no contrition no admission no understanding and

00:54:31.000 Charlie just the last point This is where things can change quickly.

00:54:36.000 It's just get that conversation between the doctor and the patient.

00:54:40.000 That doctor recommending drugs instead of a keto diet, that's corrupt.

00:54:44.000 And we just need to have the correct science in the medical guidelines.

00:54:48.000 We just need to literally follow the science.

00:54:51.000 The most important dynamic in this country is when a patient has a chronic condition and they're sitting across the doctor and that doctor starts getting them on a pharmaceutical treadmill.

00:54:59.000 We just need to enforce and make sure that doctors follow the science.

00:55:03.000 Everything will flow from there.

00:55:04.000 People listen to doctors.

00:55:06.000 People listen to Dr. Fauci on the jab.

00:55:09.000 People listen to food paramedics.

00:55:09.000 90% got them.

00:55:10.000 People listen to the Surgeon General on smoking.

00:55:12.000 We just need the correct science.

00:55:14.000 Is it because the doctor deep down thinks the patient won't file dietary guidelines?

00:55:18.000 Like, okay, just take the pill.

00:55:20.000 I think that part of that is like they just think so low of their patient.

00:55:23.000 They're like, you're not going to eat avocados.

00:55:25.000 Just take the pill.

00:55:26.000 Casey, the first day of Stanford Med School, they said the American patient is lazy.

00:55:31.000 Is the American patient lazy?

00:55:35.000 I do not believe that my mom wanted to not meet her grandchildren.

00:55:39.000 I do not believe that Americans are systematically trying to be fat and not walk There is something systemically happening.

00:55:45.000 getting so much heart disease and diabetes.

00:55:47.000 I do not, I believe Americans want to live and thrive and I do not believe they want to be 1.00

00:55:51.000 mass poisoning their children. 0.83

00:55:53.000 I do not believe we're significantly more suicidal and lazy than Spaniards or Italians, okay? 0.96

00:56:00.000 There is something systemically happening.

00:56:03.000 It is at the beating heart of what's fueling this frustration in our country

00:56:08.000 and what's fueling the MAGA movement.

00:56:10.000 And it is such, and I'm so optimistic about what's happening with RFK and Trump.

00:56:17.000 This is a true nonpartisan, bipartisan issue.

00:56:20.000 It's us versus the Uniparty. 0.66

00:56:22.000 It's us versus corruption.

00:56:24.000 And there's no more important issue.

00:56:26.000 So no, I do not believe American patients are trying to poison themselves and die.

00:56:31.000 I think there's a clear systemic problem.

00:56:33.000 Yeah, and I think the doctors should acknowledge that.

00:56:36.000 Do you know who I think is lazy?

00:56:37.000 I think doctors are lazy. 0.99

00:56:39.000 100%.

00:56:39.000 I think doctors are lazier than their patients because they want to get to what?

00:56:43.000 You eat what you kill, as you said in the podcast, right?

00:56:45.000 And the most amount of people that you see, so if you can see 20 patients out of 15, let's get this over with.

00:56:51.000 Prescription pad.

00:56:52.000 I make the money, I go.

00:56:53.000 And also, the doctor doesn't want to do the follow-up or do the hand-holding necessary of, oh, are you staying on diet and all that?

00:57:00.000 They'd much rather just give them Ozembic. 0.98

00:57:01.000 We've completely lost our way, and I think you need that Elon Musk energy that I talked about briefly.

00:57:06.000 Elon Musk, I don't care if I lose money on Twitter.

00:57:08.000 There's a bigger issue here.

00:57:09.000 I don't care if it hurts Tesla's share price.

00:57:11.000 I'm going to speak the truth.

00:57:13.000 Actually, if the medical system just had that moral courage and pharmaceutical CEOs and the dean of Harvard Med School who takes millions of dollars from pharmaceutical companies on personal payments, if they just started actually just fighting for kids, fighting with the moral clarity that Donald Trump and RFK have spoken about at the last speech, start talking like that.

00:57:29.000 This is not that complicated.

00:57:31.000 No.

00:57:32.000 But, I mean, in my own opinion, you don't have to say this, Kamala Harris is purchased by the very same food companies and food regulators.

00:57:37.000 That's just demonstrable.

00:57:39.000 It's just a fact, and it will not get better unless we have a change in leadership.

00:57:42.000 This was really great, man.

00:57:43.000 Thank you, sir.

00:57:43.000 Thank you.

00:57:44.000 Come back anytime.

00:57:45.000 I mean that.

00:57:45.000 Thank you.

00:57:46.000 Good Energy is the book.

00:57:47.000 Talk to you guys soon.

00:57:48.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:57:49.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:57:52.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - August 27, 2024

RFK’s Make America Healthy Again Advisor on Health, Toxins, and Diet ft. Calley Means

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