It was rigged, and we prove it. Molly Hemingway and Stephen Freed join us for a comprehensive conversation on the 2020 election, and what are we doing to prevent the nonsense, the corner cutting, the shenanigans, and the outright fraud coming into 2024?
00:00:04.000Molly Hemingway and Stephen Freed for a comprehensive conversation on the 2020 election and what are we doing to prevent the nonsense, the corner cutting, the shenanigans, and the outright fraud coming into 2024.
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00:01:20.000Molly, I was watching the CNN Town Hall and Caitlin Collins, who thinks she's really smart, she was, oh, you know, Mr. President, the election wasn't rigged.
00:01:29.000And I thought President Trump's answer was fair.
00:01:39.000I said, Mr. President's got to sit down for two hours and just digest and download, upload really, all the information you have in your book because he would have had a much better answer, in my opinion.
00:02:26.000After years of Democrats claiming that Donald Trump stole the 2016 election by colluding with Russia and being a traitor, now you're not allowed to notice what happened in 2020.
00:02:38.000And the idea they're not allowed to use the word rigged.
00:02:41.000Like it's one thing if you want to say you're not allowed to say it's stolen, which I also think is kind of a, it's kind of a weird thing we say.
00:02:48.000But to not be able to say rigged, what would you describe this election as otherwise?
00:02:54.000I mean, in 2020, in part thanks to the COVID hysteria, we saw hundreds of laws and processes changed, sometimes legally, sometimes not legally, to allow tens of millions of mailing ballots to flood into the system with lower scrutiny of whether they were even legit or not.
00:03:19.000We saw the corporate media inventing completely fantastical stories.
00:03:25.000I'm not even talking about the Russia collusion hoax, which was major, but they also did that Ayn Marn story where they falsely claimed that Donald Trump had, contrary to everything we've ever seen him do, mocked the dead American soldiers at the Ayn Marne Cemetery in France that was debunked by like 20 people on the record, yet was something that got mentioned in debates and in ads, stories like that or anonymous or whatever.
00:03:54.000They hid any good news for the Trump administration.
00:03:58.000Corporate media engaged in widespread censorship of news and information.
00:04:04.000And the Hunter Biden laptop is just one example of that.
00:04:08.000And I just want to point out, Americans say that if you're in a different country subjected to a propaganda press, you can't have free and fair elections.
00:04:21.000So there's the media, big tech, the changes to the laws and processes that have governed our elections for decades.
00:04:30.000And then there's also that little thing that Mark Zuckerberg spent $419 million to engage in the private takeover of government election offices in the blue areas of swing states to control the outcome in states that really, you know, that were really marginal.
00:04:45.000What are you supposed to call that if not a rigging of the election to determine the outcome?
00:04:51.000And it's what Time magazine called a fortification of the election.
00:05:33.000And by the way, Molly, we're barely even touching the surface on the social media collusion and the 51 intelligency officials and yes, the Zuckerberger and the Center for Technology and Civic Life and the relaxed signature verification standards and the unconstitutional administration of the election in Pennsylvania.
00:05:49.000Now, Donald Trump also said something equally as interesting, though, Molly, that I have not heard him say in the town hall.
00:05:54.000He said, but we're getting so close to 2024, maybe it's time to just look towards that.
00:05:58.000So then that's my next question, Molly, which is, how do you think they're going to try to rig 2024?
00:06:07.000It's a very important question to ask and to think about, because one of the things that you can see in how elections have been run going back decades is that the left has really engaged in a well-designed concerted effort to control elections.
00:06:25.000And so they're not going to do things exactly the way they did in 2020.
00:06:30.000For one reason, some of the changes they made were temporary based on COVID hysteria.
00:06:37.000But it's also true that a lot of what they did just gave them good ideas about how to extend things.
00:06:43.000So if they ran this kind of private takeover of government election offices in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, they frequently did it in just a few areas.
00:06:53.000We have seen that those groups that did this have become even better funded by other billionaires and other high dollar interests to extend the operation into bigger parts of the states.
00:07:06.000They have figured out how to get Zuckerberg type funding to be given in kind as opposed to as direct grants to get around some of the restrictions that have been placed on them.
00:07:18.000And then the censorship has actually gotten more advanced, more developed.
00:07:23.000Facebook is arguably even worse now than it was in the 2020 election, and it was devastating then.
00:07:30.000So I think this is mostly about an extension of what they did and a perfection of it.
00:07:40.000It's a guessing game, but let's go through one thing that we don't think they'll be able to do.
00:07:44.000I mean, Twitter seems to be largely liberated, and I don't think there's going to be a lot of, I don't think there's going to be an audience for federal government collusion there.
00:07:53.000So, I mean, and then, so let me ask you, Molly, do you feel as if any progress at all was made in Georgia, Arizona, or Wisconsin?
00:08:01.000I think Wisconsin was probably the best of the three, to verify the signature, the signature issues, to fix some of these, or did you see very little of any tangible progress that will kind of reset the table for another 2020, this time in 2024?
00:08:18.000Okay, so I do think people need to know that there is good news on this front.
00:08:22.000Namely, the Republicans were actually completely banned from doing any election day oversight until like 2018, which meant for 40 years, they were banned by court order from doing election day oversight while Democrats were just running wild with it.
00:08:39.000So there is a huge amount of ground that Republicans have had to make up.
00:08:44.000They actually began before the 2020 election.
00:08:48.000They have continued to do a lot of work.
00:08:51.000Even just last week, it was announced that the RNC has made permanent its election day oversight activities as opposed to how they had been doing it where they would just, you know, bring things up like a month before election as if that was sufficient to counter all of this.
00:09:05.000So also Wisconsin had some good court court decisions.
00:09:12.000Georgia made some modest improvements.
00:09:15.000Other states have made some improvements.
00:09:17.000It's more important than anything, though, is that Republican voters and conservative voters figured out that they actually needed to care about Election Day and how elections are administered.
00:09:29.000And this is a huge, important thing that needs to be handled at the local level.
00:09:33.000And so I think we're in a much better place now than we were just a few years ago.
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00:12:55.000You are not wrong to have lost faith in our largest law enforcement agency, the FBI.
00:13:02.000They have done so much damage to the country by how they handled this investigation.
00:13:08.000The Durham Report, I think some people are disappointed that there aren't more prosecutions or that there weren't more convictions.
00:13:15.000I think that is a shame, but it really is worth it to have a fair and accurate summary of just how bad the attack on the country was of the Russia collusion hoax, to have the names of the people involved.
00:13:30.000And I do think it's important that we remember every single person who engaged in this dangerous hoax operation to undermine the 2016 election and the results of that.
00:13:42.000That these people need to be remembered so that we don't pay attention to anything that they say in the future, that they be shunned.
00:13:49.000Obviously, they should be held to greater account, but that does not appear to be happening at this moment.
00:13:54.000But what they did was very serious, very dangerous, very damaging, and they need to be held accountable in whatever ways that we can, including mocking and deriding anybody that continues to employ them or whatever they're doing.
00:14:10.000So it's a big deal, and people should read through the Durham Report.
00:14:14.000I'm about halfway through now, and it's just shocking to see how much aid they gave to the Clinton campaign when it was credibly accused of being the target of a foreign information operation, which is some of what's revealed in this report, and how much they attacked the Trump campaign and administration because they hated it.
00:14:34.000Andrew McCabe, who should be in jail, has something to say about this.
00:14:51.000And I stand by the investigative decisions that we made to open the investigation first on the Trump campaign and the possibility that the Russians are trying to influence it, and then later on Donald Trump himself.
00:15:02.000Now, Molly, when he first started, I thought he was talking about Crossfire Hurricane.
00:15:06.000I mean, I was reading this in my cut sheet.
00:15:08.000We knew from the beginning this is never a legitimate investigation.
00:15:10.000You're talking about Crossfire Hurricane?
00:15:50.000Okay, if I can just first say, Andrew McCabe is utterly destroyed in the Durham Report.
00:15:55.000Specifics are given of how he ran interference for his buddies on the Clinton campaign, how he lied or misled people regarding information that should have derailed Crossfire Hurricane.
00:16:07.000He has every reason to disparage the Durham report because he really is one of the highlights or lowlights of just how corrupt the FBI has become.
00:16:15.000Anderson Cooper should be ashamed to have him on his program.
00:16:19.000CNN should be mocked and derided for employing these people who did the Russia collusion hoax.
00:16:24.000Now, I do think you have a good point that people should not be expected to keep coming out and voting when nothing happens.
00:16:31.000I think a lot depends on what Republicans in the House do and what Republicans in the Senate do.
00:16:36.000They will reward good behavior from these representatives and senators, and they will not show up if these people don't do what is necessary.
00:16:45.000It is worth remembering that much of what we know about the Russia collusion hoax was thanks to the bravery of a few Republican members of the House, beginning with Devin Nunes when he was in Congress, and that the Weaponization Committee has done a good job of continuing to unveil some of the corruption at the FBI.
00:17:06.000And so it remains to be seen whether they have earned Republican votes for sure in a few years.
00:17:15.000We can't ignore the good work that has been done.
00:17:18.000Molly Hemingway, author of Rigged, one of the most important books, you should buy 10 copies and send them to every one of your liberal relatives and say, I don't even want to talk about the 2020 election until you've read this book.
00:17:29.000And again, President Trump, if you're listening, I'm going to call him and tell him the same thing.
00:17:34.000You are not going to be able to avoid the questions on you calling 2020 rigged.
00:17:39.000Use Molly Hemingway's book as your shield.
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00:19:13.000Okay, well, I didn't actually perform a complete audit because I wasn't allowed to, but I did apply audit standards the way we work at things.
00:19:22.000And here's what I found: I found that six swing states should not have been certified.
00:19:29.000And I backed that up with a lot of facts.
00:19:33.000You'll find this book is in two parts.
00:19:35.000First, there's an overview of everything.
00:19:38.000And some of those issues are weak, some of those issues are strong, somewhere in between.
00:19:43.000But when it comes to the middle part of the book, which are the Detailed analysis of the six swing states.
00:19:52.000I end with that question: Was the certification premature?
00:19:57.000And I didn't expect to, but I ended up answering yes, it was premature.
00:20:01.000And then I put a whole list of a page or two of bullet points of why it was premature.
00:20:07.000So I back up what I say with the facts.
00:20:10.000Yeah, so I want to just build up your credibility here, too.
00:20:15.000You're someone that looks at things from the outside to try to test their integrity.
00:20:20.000You were hired as an auditor by Ernst Young.
00:20:23.000In 1983, you formed your own firm, which you retired in 2022.
00:20:27.000You've been a 40-year career and you performed and supervised countless audits and was the AICPA authorized peer reviewer for dozens of other audit firms.
00:20:37.000You also published your first book back in the early 2000s about Social Security, and you were part of a very impressive group of people talking about this topic.
00:20:45.000So you look at things very prudently, very soberly.
00:20:48.000So take some time here and let's get into the details.
00:20:52.000What in particular did you find from an auditor's perspective that was disturbing about the 2020 election results?
00:21:02.000Well, first of all, the big answer is that we don't have real audits in American elections, and it's a shame.
00:21:10.000Now, I'm not the first CPA to say that, but there is, we don't have the methodical, appropriate approach, which would be a risk assessment.
00:21:23.000It would be a study of internal control.
00:21:25.000And if we had done that, this audit would have been totally different because the risks in 2020 were totally different than they were five or 10 years earlier.
00:21:35.000The risk became the mail-in ballots, as Trump correctly identified.
00:21:40.000Those were very risky, but the problems took place before they even reached the election office.
00:21:50.000And what the election people are doing is they're looking within their little realm of, well, did we do this?
00:22:44.000He assembled a panel of six people, three of whom were document examiners, and he selected 499 signatures that were representative of the mail-in population of Maricopa County.
00:23:00.000And he asked each of these six people, each one, go through the 499 and compare them to the registration signatures and tell me if they match.
00:23:24.000And what that extends out to, because it's a representative sample, that means you should expect 204,000 phony ballots in an election decided by 10,400.
00:23:41.000Now, believe it or not, I know how the opposition reacts to these things.
00:23:47.000They say, oh, but Joe, we would have cured those ballots.
00:23:51.000Yeah, they would have, just like they cured a lot of Katie Hobbs ballots when she was fighting Kerry Lake.
00:23:59.000Yes, they would have cured them probably, but not in an honest way.
00:24:02.000There's no way you can take, let's put it this way.
00:24:07.000If that panel of six people was unanimously wrong 90% of the time, it means the 204,000 becomes 20,000, which is still twice Biden's winning margin.
00:24:19.000That alone means that state election is a joke.
00:24:24.000But that isn't the only thing in Arizona.
00:27:01.000The Democratic stronghold of Fulton, which is 62% minority, and I bring that up only because Democrats claim minorities can't fill out paperwork, they were seven times more accurate.
00:27:15.000In other words, only one seventh as many of their ballots got rejected as the state.
00:27:22.000It dropped from 2016 state rate to the 2020 to one 128th, one divided by 128.
00:27:33.000That's, of course, the whole election right there.
00:27:37.000If we have more time, I'll jump into another one in Georgia.
00:28:48.000In Georgia, under Georgia law, you have to have an image file, but you also have to have simultaneously an authentication file to make sure that that image isn't just made in somebody's basement.
00:30:35.000If the good guys are in charge, there's a one, it's easy.
00:30:39.000If the bad guys are in charge, it's really tough and almost depressing at times.
00:30:45.000I was on another show, a radio show a while ago, and I think I ended up by depressing everybody because I was talking about Nevada and Michigan.
00:30:55.000Those are two states that they bootstrap the COVID to take control and then to change the laws permanently.
00:32:06.000Now, I predict that some guys will still try to say you're intimidating voters.
00:32:11.000I don't see how, but by telling them not to hand their ballots over to anybody.
00:32:16.000They should always personally put them in.
00:32:19.000Here's another thing I would do, and there's going to be pushback on it.
00:32:23.000I would offer big, big cash awards for any information about harvest, illegal harvesting, like a $10,000 award.
00:32:33.000If you give us a tip that leads to a conviction of harvesting, because remember, a lot of these harvesting things involve a few people, and they're going to do a rat on each other, I think, if there's big money involved.
00:32:49.000So you've got a bunch of guys, they're going to spill the beans because of the reward.
00:33:54.000If they have drop boxes, you need monitors constantly.
00:33:59.000Now, they'll probably block them from videotaping.
00:34:03.000However, if you have constant monitors and they keep a tally, let's say that at 8 a.m. they emptied the box one day and the next day at 8 a.m. they emptied it again.
00:34:14.000If you can show in that 24-hour period that only, let's say, 92 people visited that box, but for some reason there's 500 ballots in there, you've got some evidence.
00:34:28.000If the local DA will take it seriously, and that leads to another thing.
00:34:34.000We all know about Florida having its election police.