The Charlie Kirk Show - Rigged Revisited with Mollie Hemingway and Joseph Fried

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00:01:15.000 Welcome back, everybody.

00:01:16.000 The great Molly Hemingway is with us.

00:01:18.000 Molly, thank you for making time.

00:01:20.000 Molly, I was watching the CNN Town Hall and Caitlin Collins, who thinks she's really smart, she was, oh, you know, Mr. President, the election wasn't rigged. 0.98

00:01:29.000 And I thought President Trump's answer was fair.

00:01:31.000 I give him a C.

00:01:32.000 It wasn't awful.

00:01:33.000 But I screamed at my TV, Molly, two words.

00:01:37.000 Molly Hemingway.

00:01:39.000 I said, Mr. President's got to sit down for two hours and just digest and download, upload really, all the information you have in your book because he would have had a much better answer, in my opinion.

00:01:49.000 Again, it wasn't terrible.

00:01:51.000 But, you know, Molly, from the way you detail it in your book, Rigged, we talk about how the 2020 election was in fact rigged.

00:01:57.000 So Molly, let's go through a refresher because it's important, especially heading into this next cycle.

00:02:02.000 Walk us through what we know, how the 2020 election was in fact rigged.

00:02:06.000 In fact, more evidence coming up by the day to just confirm that.

00:02:10.000 Well, first, I just want to put a little note on what you said about Caitlin Collins.

00:02:15.000 I screamed when she said, you're not allowed to say the words rigged to refer to the election because this is like a preposterous idea.

00:02:24.000 First of all, preposterous.

00:02:26.000 After years of Democrats claiming that Donald Trump stole the 2016 election by colluding with Russia and being a traitor, now you're not allowed to notice what happened in 2020.

00:02:38.000 And the idea they're not allowed to use the word rigged.

00:02:41.000 Like it's one thing if you want to say you're not allowed to say it's stolen, which I also think is kind of a, it's kind of a weird thing we say.

00:02:48.000 But to not be able to say rigged, what would you describe this election as otherwise?

00:02:54.000 I mean, in 2020, in part thanks to the COVID hysteria, we saw hundreds of laws and processes changed, sometimes legally, sometimes not legally, to allow tens of millions of mailing ballots to flood into the system with lower scrutiny of whether they were even legit or not.

00:03:19.000 We saw the corporate media inventing completely fantastical stories.

00:03:25.000 I'm not even talking about the Russia collusion hoax, which was major, but they also did that Ayn Marn story where they falsely claimed that Donald Trump had, contrary to everything we've ever seen him do, mocked the dead American soldiers at the Ayn Marne Cemetery in France that was debunked by like 20 people on the record, yet was something that got mentioned in debates and in ads, stories like that or anonymous or whatever.

00:03:52.000 So the media made up stories.

00:03:54.000 They hid any good news for the Trump administration.

00:03:58.000 Corporate media engaged in widespread censorship of news and information.

00:04:04.000 And the Hunter Biden laptop is just one example of that.

00:04:08.000 And I just want to point out, Americans say that if you're in a different country subjected to a propaganda press, you can't have free and fair elections.

00:04:18.000 And that's what we have now.

00:04:19.000 We have a propaganda press.

00:04:21.000 So there's the media, big tech, the changes to the laws and processes that have governed our elections for decades.

00:04:30.000 And then there's also that little thing that Mark Zuckerberg spent $419 million to engage in the private takeover of government election offices in the blue areas of swing states to control the outcome in states that really, you know, that were really marginal.

00:04:45.000 What are you supposed to call that if not a rigging of the election to determine the outcome?

00:04:51.000 And it's what Time magazine called a fortification of the election.

00:04:56.000 That's a very questionable word.

00:04:58.000 But you're allowed to- Molly Ball wrote the whole thing.

00:05:03.000 The secret shadow campaign that saved the 2020 election.

00:05:07.000 They changed the title, by the way, on the SEO.

00:05:09.000 That's a fact.

00:05:10.000 But the original title was the shadow campaign that saved the 2020 election.

00:05:14.000 I think they changed it to the secret.

00:05:17.000 The point is that they bragged about it.

00:05:19.000 And so, Molly, I think that President Trump's going to be confronted with this time and time again with adversarial media.

00:05:26.000 I want him to give the best possible answer because the way that you just articulated is very rational.

00:05:32.000 It's all right there.

00:05:33.000 And by the way, Molly, we're barely even touching the surface on the social media collusion and the 51 intelligency officials and yes, the Zuckerberger and the Center for Technology and Civic Life and the relaxed signature verification standards and the unconstitutional administration of the election in Pennsylvania.

00:05:49.000 Now, Donald Trump also said something equally as interesting, though, Molly, that I have not heard him say in the town hall.

00:05:54.000 He said, but we're getting so close to 2024, maybe it's time to just look towards that.

00:05:58.000 So then that's my next question, Molly, which is, how do you think they're going to try to rig 2024?

00:06:07.000 It's a very important question to ask and to think about, because one of the things that you can see in how elections have been run going back decades is that the left has really engaged in a well-designed concerted effort to control elections.

00:06:25.000 And so they're not going to do things exactly the way they did in 2020.

00:06:30.000 For one reason, some of the changes they made were temporary based on COVID hysteria.

00:06:35.000 And so therefore they expired.

00:06:37.000 But it's also true that a lot of what they did just gave them good ideas about how to extend things.

00:06:43.000 So if they ran this kind of private takeover of government election offices in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, they frequently did it in just a few areas.

00:06:53.000 We have seen that those groups that did this have become even better funded by other billionaires and other high dollar interests to extend the operation into bigger parts of the states.

00:07:06.000 They have figured out how to get Zuckerberg type funding to be given in kind as opposed to as direct grants to get around some of the restrictions that have been placed on them.

00:07:18.000 And then the censorship has actually gotten more advanced, more developed.

00:07:23.000 Facebook is arguably even worse now than it was in the 2020 election, and it was devastating then.

00:07:30.000 So I think this is mostly about an extension of what they did and a perfection of it.

00:07:38.000 Yeah, so I mean, you're right.

00:07:40.000 It's a guessing game, but let's go through one thing that we don't think they'll be able to do.

00:07:44.000 I mean, Twitter seems to be largely liberated, and I don't think there's going to be a lot of, I don't think there's going to be an audience for federal government collusion there.

00:07:53.000 So, I mean, and then, so let me ask you, Molly, do you feel as if any progress at all was made in Georgia, Arizona, or Wisconsin?

00:08:01.000 I think Wisconsin was probably the best of the three, to verify the signature, the signature issues, to fix some of these, or did you see very little of any tangible progress that will kind of reset the table for another 2020, this time in 2024?

00:08:18.000 Okay, so I do think people need to know that there is good news on this front.

00:08:22.000 Namely, the Republicans were actually completely banned from doing any election day oversight until like 2018, which meant for 40 years, they were banned by court order from doing election day oversight while Democrats were just running wild with it.

00:08:39.000 So there is a huge amount of ground that Republicans have had to make up.

00:08:44.000 They actually began before the 2020 election.

00:08:47.000 It obviously wasn't enough.

00:08:48.000 They have continued to do a lot of work.

00:08:51.000 Even just last week, it was announced that the RNC has made permanent its election day oversight activities as opposed to how they had been doing it where they would just, you know, bring things up like a month before election as if that was sufficient to counter all of this.

00:09:05.000 So also Wisconsin had some good court court decisions.

00:09:10.000 Arizona is pretty bad, actually.

00:09:12.000 Georgia made some modest improvements.

00:09:15.000 Other states have made some improvements.

00:09:17.000 It's more important than anything, though, is that Republican voters and conservative voters figured out that they actually needed to care about Election Day and how elections are administered.

00:09:29.000 And this is a huge, important thing that needs to be handled at the local level.

00:09:33.000 And so I think we're in a much better place now than we were just a few years ago.

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00:12:35.000 And so, Molly, let's just get your initial reaction on the Durham thing.

00:12:38.000 I know you've been covering it and you've seen all the chatter here.

00:12:41.000 I've lost faith in the American justice system.

00:12:44.000 Is that a fair attitude to have?

00:12:46.000 And if is there any path forward towards restoration?

00:12:51.000 Well, there has to be a path forward, although it's a very difficult one.

00:12:55.000 You are not wrong to have lost faith in our largest law enforcement agency, the FBI.

00:13:02.000 They have done so much damage to the country by how they handled this investigation.

00:13:08.000 The Durham Report, I think some people are disappointed that there aren't more prosecutions or that there weren't more convictions.

00:13:15.000 I think that is a shame, but it really is worth it to have a fair and accurate summary of just how bad the attack on the country was of the Russia collusion hoax, to have the names of the people involved.

00:13:30.000 And I do think it's important that we remember every single person who engaged in this dangerous hoax operation to undermine the 2016 election and the results of that.

00:13:42.000 That these people need to be remembered so that we don't pay attention to anything that they say in the future, that they be shunned.

00:13:49.000 Obviously, they should be held to greater account, but that does not appear to be happening at this moment.

00:13:54.000 But what they did was very serious, very dangerous, very damaging, and they need to be held accountable in whatever ways that we can, including mocking and deriding anybody that continues to employ them or whatever they're doing.

00:14:10.000 So it's a big deal, and people should read through the Durham Report.

00:14:14.000 I'm about halfway through now, and it's just shocking to see how much aid they gave to the Clinton campaign when it was credibly accused of being the target of a foreign information operation, which is some of what's revealed in this report, and how much they attacked the Trump campaign and administration because they hated it.

00:14:34.000 Andrew McCabe, who should be in jail, has something to say about this.

00:14:37.000 Play cut 34.

00:14:39.000 We knew from the very beginning this was never a legitimate investigation.

00:14:42.000 This was a political errand to exact some sort of retribution on Donald Trump's perceived enemies in the FBI.

00:14:49.000 That's what Mr. Durham has done.

00:14:51.000 And I stand by the investigative decisions that we made to open the investigation first on the Trump campaign and the possibility that the Russians are trying to influence it, and then later on Donald Trump himself.

00:15:02.000 Now, Molly, when he first started, I thought he was talking about Crossfire Hurricane.

00:15:06.000 I mean, I was reading this in my cut sheet.

00:15:08.000 We knew from the beginning this is never a legitimate investigation.

00:15:10.000 You're talking about Crossfire Hurricane?

00:15:11.000 Or he's talking about John Durham?

00:15:13.000 So he's attacking Durham.

00:15:14.000 Andrew McCabe shouldn't have a pension. 0.94

00:15:15.000 He should be rotten in jail. 1.00

00:15:17.000 He's an evil person. 1.00

00:15:18.000 He's a sneaky guy. 0.99

00:15:20.000 And same with Comey and all of this.

00:15:22.000 But Molly, I think there is a, I'm really concerned about this.

00:15:26.000 I think that the Durham report and the lack of convictions is going to suppress conservative turnout, enthusiasm.

00:15:34.000 There is widespread attitudinal cynicism right now setting in on the right that these people get away with everything.

00:15:41.000 There's no justice.

00:15:42.000 And it's hard to keep on telling people, hey, just keep showing up, keep voting.

00:15:45.000 And they're like, what's the point?

00:15:47.000 Molly, how do we navigate that?

00:15:50.000 Okay, if I can just first say, Andrew McCabe is utterly destroyed in the Durham Report.

00:15:55.000 Specifics are given of how he ran interference for his buddies on the Clinton campaign, how he lied or misled people regarding information that should have derailed Crossfire Hurricane.

00:16:07.000 He has every reason to disparage the Durham report because he really is one of the highlights or lowlights of just how corrupt the FBI has become.

00:16:15.000 Anderson Cooper should be ashamed to have him on his program.

00:16:19.000 CNN should be mocked and derided for employing these people who did the Russia collusion hoax.

00:16:24.000 Now, I do think you have a good point that people should not be expected to keep coming out and voting when nothing happens.

00:16:31.000 I think a lot depends on what Republicans in the House do and what Republicans in the Senate do.

00:16:36.000 They will reward good behavior from these representatives and senators, and they will not show up if these people don't do what is necessary.

00:16:45.000 It is worth remembering that much of what we know about the Russia collusion hoax was thanks to the bravery of a few Republican members of the House, beginning with Devin Nunes when he was in Congress, and that the Weaponization Committee has done a good job of continuing to unveil some of the corruption at the FBI.

00:17:06.000 And so it remains to be seen whether they have earned Republican votes for sure in a few years.

00:17:12.000 But I do think that they have.

00:17:15.000 We can't ignore the good work that has been done.

00:17:18.000 Molly Hemingway, author of Rigged, one of the most important books, you should buy 10 copies and send them to every one of your liberal relatives and say, I don't even want to talk about the 2020 election until you've read this book.

00:17:29.000 And again, President Trump, if you're listening, I'm going to call him and tell him the same thing.

00:17:34.000 You are not going to be able to avoid the questions on you calling 2020 rigged.

00:17:39.000 Use Molly Hemingway's book as your shield.

00:17:43.000 Keep on referencing it.

00:17:44.000 She has done a thorough and comprehensive job of proving what you knew to be true.

00:17:49.000 Molly, thank you so much for out of time.

00:17:50.000 Thank you.

00:17:51.000 Thank you.

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00:18:56.000 Fascinating guests here.

00:18:58.000 The book is called Debunked: An Auditor Reviews the 2020 Election and the Lessons Learned by Joseph Freed, CPA.

00:19:05.000 I can't wait to talk to him.

00:19:06.000 Mr. Freed, thank you for joining the program.

00:19:09.000 So you audited the 2020 election.

00:19:12.000 What did you find?

00:19:13.000 Okay, well, I didn't actually perform a complete audit because I wasn't allowed to, but I did apply audit standards the way we work at things.

00:19:22.000 And here's what I found: I found that six swing states should not have been certified.

00:19:29.000 And I backed that up with a lot of facts.

00:19:33.000 You'll find this book is in two parts.

00:19:35.000 First, there's an overview of everything.

00:19:38.000 And some of those issues are weak, some of those issues are strong, somewhere in between.

00:19:43.000 But when it comes to the middle part of the book, which are the Detailed analysis of the six swing states.

00:19:52.000 I end with that question: Was the certification premature?

00:19:57.000 And I didn't expect to, but I ended up answering yes, it was premature.

00:20:01.000 And then I put a whole list of a page or two of bullet points of why it was premature.

00:20:07.000 So I back up what I say with the facts.

00:20:10.000 Yeah, so I want to just build up your credibility here, too.

00:20:13.000 So you're an auditor.

00:20:15.000 You're someone that looks at things from the outside to try to test their integrity.

00:20:20.000 You were hired as an auditor by Ernst Young.

00:20:23.000 In 1983, you formed your own firm, which you retired in 2022.

00:20:27.000 You've been a 40-year career and you performed and supervised countless audits and was the AICPA authorized peer reviewer for dozens of other audit firms.

00:20:37.000 You also published your first book back in the early 2000s about Social Security, and you were part of a very impressive group of people talking about this topic.

00:20:45.000 So you look at things very prudently, very soberly.

00:20:48.000 So take some time here and let's get into the details.

00:20:52.000 What in particular did you find from an auditor's perspective that was disturbing about the 2020 election results?

00:21:02.000 Well, first of all, the big answer is that we don't have real audits in American elections, and it's a shame.

00:21:10.000 Now, I'm not the first CPA to say that, but there is, we don't have the methodical, appropriate approach, which would be a risk assessment.

00:21:23.000 It would be a study of internal control.

00:21:25.000 And if we had done that, this audit would have been totally different because the risks in 2020 were totally different than they were five or 10 years earlier.

00:21:35.000 The risk became the mail-in ballots, as Trump correctly identified.

00:21:40.000 Those were very risky, but the problems took place before they even reached the election office.

00:21:50.000 And what the election people are doing is they're looking within their little realm of, well, did we do this?

00:21:56.000 Did we do this?

00:21:57.000 Well, the fraud already took place.

00:21:59.000 I hate to use the word fraud.

00:22:01.000 It's a legal term, but let's say the irregularities already took place before it even got there.

00:22:06.000 But I'll give you some specifics if we'd like.

00:22:10.000 I had to almost rush through this.

00:22:11.000 They're so overwhelming.

00:22:14.000 Arizona.

00:22:16.000 There was a wonderful test performed by Dr. Shiva Ayaduri.

00:22:23.000 He is a very smart man who has at least three degrees from MIT.

00:22:28.000 And he was asked by the Arizona Senate to construct a state-of-the-art signature test.

00:22:34.000 And he did.

00:22:35.000 And he reported, I think, in January of 2022, his results.

00:22:41.000 And here's what he did.

00:22:42.000 Just get a load of this.

00:22:44.000 He assembled a panel of six people, three of whom were document examiners, and he selected 499 signatures that were representative of the mail-in population of Maricopa County.

00:23:00.000 And he asked each of these six people, each one, go through the 499 and compare them to the registration signatures and tell me if they match.

00:23:11.000 Now, get a load of this.

00:23:12.000 Unanimously, unanimously, six to zero, not five to one, not four to two, but six to zero said 12% are not matches.

00:23:22.000 That's extraordinary.

00:23:24.000 And what that extends out to, because it's a representative sample, that means you should expect 204,000 phony ballots in an election decided by 10,400.

00:23:41.000 Now, believe it or not, I know how the opposition reacts to these things.

00:23:47.000 They say, oh, but Joe, we would have cured those ballots.

00:23:51.000 Yeah, they would have, just like they cured a lot of Katie Hobbs ballots when she was fighting Kerry Lake. 0.98

00:23:59.000 Yes, they would have cured them probably, but not in an honest way.

00:24:02.000 There's no way you can take, let's put it this way.

00:24:07.000 If that panel of six people was unanimously wrong 90% of the time, it means the 204,000 becomes 20,000, which is still twice Biden's winning margin.

00:24:19.000 That alone means that state election is a joke.

00:24:24.000 But that isn't the only thing in Arizona.

00:24:26.000 I have to go fast.

00:24:26.000 Get a little this one, Charlie.

00:24:29.000 You'll get a chuckle out of it.

00:24:31.000 That state was, Maricopa County was roughly even between Trump and Biden.

00:24:37.000 It was, I think, about 49% for Trump and 51% for Biden.

00:24:43.000 Guess what the overseas military ballots ended up being?

00:24:48.000 They were 95%.

00:24:53.000 Oh, yeah, 95% Biden.

00:24:56.000 Instead of 51%, all of a sudden he's 95%.

00:24:59.000 He's such a star with the military, and Trump is 5%.

00:25:03.000 And here's the kicker: there's no verification of this.

00:25:07.000 They're on typing paper and there's no chain of custody.

00:25:14.000 So nobody can prove anything.

00:25:16.000 Now, this is on video.

00:25:18.000 You can see it.

00:25:19.000 There's Paul Harris, I think it was the man who was hired to go through these with a group of people, a bunch of people.

00:25:28.000 They spent a few days going through these to be accurate.

00:25:32.000 And he personally said, I counted, it was 95% to five.

00:25:37.000 And he was angry.

00:25:38.000 And there's a link to that in my book.

00:25:40.000 But that's another one.

00:25:42.000 Now, here's one more for me.

00:25:44.000 Any one of these three disqualifies the election.

00:25:46.000 Here's the next one.

00:25:47.000 A wonderful outfit called Verity Vote.

00:25:50.000 They're centered in Pennsylvania.

00:25:53.000 And they did a wonderful, and I talked to them about it and went through some of their materials, review of chain of custody for Arizona.

00:26:04.000 How many ballots, Charlie, do you think did not have chain of custody where you couldn't show how they got there?

00:26:11.000 I'll tell you the answer: 740,000.

00:26:15.000 I'm not sure.

00:26:16.000 Yeah, 740,000 did not have it.

00:26:22.000 So how do you certify Arizona?

00:26:25.000 I didn't even give you all of them, but you want, I could, I'd like to jump to Georgia because that's a good one, too.

00:26:32.000 Yeah, talk about Georgia. 1.00

00:26:33.000 We have a couple minutes.

00:26:34.000 Tell us about Georgia.

00:26:35.000 Okay, real quick. 0.72

00:26:36.000 First of all, ridiculous rejection rate.

00:26:40.000 Now, the rejection rate dropped from 2016 to 2020.

00:26:45.000 It dropped to 118th.

00:26:48.000 So it was 18 times more ballots as a percentage were rejected in 2016 than they were in 20.

00:26:56.000 In other words, they were letting everything go through.

00:26:57.000 That's the statewide.

00:26:59.000 But here's the corker. 0.99

00:27:01.000 The Democratic stronghold of Fulton, which is 62% minority, and I bring that up only because Democrats claim minorities can't fill out paperwork, they were seven times more accurate.

00:27:15.000 In other words, only one seventh as many of their ballots got rejected as the state.

00:27:22.000 It dropped from 2016 state rate to the 2020 to one 128th, one divided by 128.

00:27:33.000 That's, of course, the whole election right there.

00:27:37.000 If we have more time, I'll jump into another one in Georgia.

00:27:41.000 Not sure you have the time.

00:27:42.000 Yeah, please continue.

00:27:44.000 We have two minutes.

00:27:45.000 Please continue.

00:27:46.000 Okay, great.

00:27:47.000 There's a wonderful man named Garland Favarito, an elderly gentleman.

00:27:54.000 He's knowledgeable about cyber issues, and he works with voter GA.

00:28:00.000 Now, this one will blow your mind.

00:28:04.000 And it's on video.

00:28:05.000 You can hear his presentation, a lengthy presentation.

00:28:09.000 He has been trying to get his hands on 147,000 mail-in ballots.

00:28:14.000 for Fulton County since the election ended.

00:28:18.000 And they have, you know, Rastersberger has been fighting him all the way, preventing him from getting them.

00:28:24.000 But he did get some low resolution ballots.

00:28:27.000 And that was their undoing.

00:28:30.000 4,000 of those low resolution ballots, it takes about a second to scan them.

00:28:37.000 They're all identical timestamps.

00:28:39.000 How do you scan?

00:28:41.000 It should have taken more than an hour to scan 4,000 ballots, but they all have identical timestamps.

00:28:46.000 Now, here's the next one.

00:28:48.000 In Georgia, under Georgia law, you have to have an image file, but you also have to have simultaneously an authentication file to make sure that that image isn't just made in somebody's basement.

00:29:00.000 Well, how does this happen?

00:29:02.000 Those are made simultaneously.

00:29:04.000 16,000 had SHA files.

00:29:09.000 That's the authentication file that came days after the TIFF file, which is the image file.

00:29:17.000 How does that happen?

00:29:18.000 It's impossible.

00:29:19.000 Then there's another 132,000 that have no SHA file at all.

00:29:24.000 Those could have been made in somebody's basement.

00:29:26.000 They're meaningless.

00:29:28.000 And then, let's see, there's 17,700 that were from a recount and there's no image at all.

00:29:36.000 And I have a theory on what happened here.

00:29:38.000 I think they started to think, oh, well, Garland Favarito is forcing us to turn over the stuff.

00:29:45.000 We'll just make these images now, even though the election's been over for a long time.

00:29:50.000 And then they said, uh-oh, they can see that there's these codes and these things.

00:29:57.000 We didn't even know those existed.

00:29:59.000 So I think for the recount, they just stopped making images altogether.

00:30:03.000 They just said, well, just put the paper.

00:30:04.000 Any dummy can put paper in a cardboard box and say, here it is.

00:30:08.000 But they didn't know how to backdate the SHA files.

00:30:13.000 So that is Georgia.

00:30:18.000 And I'm ready to go on.

00:30:20.000 I've got all, I mean, they're all just like that.

00:30:24.000 So, Joseph, let's go to 2024.

00:30:26.000 Where do you think we are most vulnerable for unsecure elections going into 2024?

00:30:31.000 Well, let me answer that in two ways.

00:30:33.000 It depends who's in charge.

00:30:35.000 If the good guys are in charge, there's a one, it's easy.

00:30:39.000 If the bad guys are in charge, it's really tough and almost depressing at times.

00:30:45.000 I was on another show, a radio show a while ago, and I think I ended up by depressing everybody because I was talking about Nevada and Michigan.

00:30:55.000 Those are two states that they bootstrap the COVID to take control and then to change the laws permanently.

00:31:03.000 And it's going to be rough.

00:31:05.000 So I'll tell you what, I'll take the harder job on first.

00:31:08.000 What do you do when the bad guys have control?

00:31:12.000 That is a tough one.

00:31:13.000 Well, one thing you can do is you've got to, in most states, fortunately, harvesting is still technically illegal.

00:31:24.000 Sometimes a felony, sometimes it's a misdemeanor.

00:31:27.000 But those rules go back to the good old days when people had integrity and they haven't been able to change them.

00:31:35.000 So now that's not true in Nevada.

00:31:37.000 Nevada even made harvesting unlimited.

00:31:40.000 I mean, you could put a ski mask on.

00:31:41.000 You don't have to have identity.

00:31:43.000 You could be anonymous.

00:31:44.000 You can be paid.

00:31:46.000 You can scoop up 500 ballots, which are floating everywhere in Nevada and take them in.

00:31:51.000 And that's not a crime.

00:31:53.000 But in most states, it is a crime.

00:31:55.000 So what I would do is have some public announcements for months.

00:31:58.000 I would be warning people: this is illegal.

00:32:01.000 You should not hand your ballot over to anybody.

00:32:04.000 And you can do this.

00:32:06.000 Now, I predict that some guys will still try to say you're intimidating voters.

00:32:11.000 I don't see how, but by telling them not to hand their ballots over to anybody.

00:32:16.000 They should always personally put them in.

00:32:19.000 Here's another thing I would do, and there's going to be pushback on it.

00:32:23.000 I would offer big, big cash awards for any information about harvest, illegal harvesting, like a $10,000 award.

00:32:33.000 If you give us a tip that leads to a conviction of harvesting, because remember, a lot of these harvesting things involve a few people, and they're going to do a rat on each other, I think, if there's big money involved.

00:32:49.000 So you've got a bunch of guys, they're going to spill the beans because of the reward.

00:32:54.000 So those are two things you could do.

00:32:56.000 Now, you need observers everywhere you can, but they got to have really thick skin.

00:33:01.000 If you were, you'll see some of this in my book.

00:33:05.000 It was brutal.

00:33:06.000 I mean, in some of those places, Wayne County, in Philadelphia, in Fulton County, the poor observers were brutalized.

00:33:16.000 And so you need a lot of them.

00:33:18.000 The Republicans were kicked out.

00:33:20.000 Often, the whole room would erupt in cheers, including the workers would cheer when they were kicked out.

00:33:26.000 And it ended up being like 200 Democrats to five Republicans.

00:33:32.000 You got to have a lot of them.

00:33:33.000 They have to have tough skin.

00:33:34.000 Yeah, it's sad.

00:33:36.000 And then you better have a whole lot of lawyers if you can get them to help them.

00:33:41.000 It would be nice if you could videotape the proceedings, but usually you'll be blocked.

00:33:46.000 You know, it varies from state and county, but it would be nice to have some evidence.

00:33:52.000 Same thing with the drop boxes.

00:33:54.000 If they have drop boxes, you need monitors constantly.

00:33:59.000 Now, they'll probably block them from videotaping.

00:34:03.000 However, if you have constant monitors and they keep a tally, let's say that at 8 a.m. they emptied the box one day and the next day at 8 a.m. they emptied it again.

00:34:14.000 If you can show in that 24-hour period that only, let's say, 92 people visited that box, but for some reason there's 500 ballots in there, you've got some evidence.

00:34:28.000 If the local DA will take it seriously, and that leads to another thing.

00:34:34.000 We all know about Florida having its election police.

00:34:37.000 That's great.

00:34:38.000 But you can't almost get that, right?

00:34:40.000 But one thing people overlook, and I used to overlook, don't forget the county sheriff.

00:34:46.000 He's got tremendous power.

00:34:48.000 And some of these sheriffs are really sick of what they're seeing.

00:34:52.000 They've started to organize.

00:34:55.000 They're sick of seeing crimes in the city, which is within their county, not be prosecuted by the DA.

00:35:05.000 So sometimes if you can't get relief with the DA, go to the sheriff.

00:35:11.000 Got to run.

00:35:13.000 Thank you.

00:35:13.000 This is wonderful.

00:35:14.000 I would love to have you back on.

00:35:15.000 And we're out of time.

00:35:16.000 The book is debunked.

00:35:17.000 Joseph Freed, an auditor reviews the 2020 election and lessons learned.

00:35:21.000 Thank you so much.

00:35:22.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:35:24.000 Take care.

00:35:26.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:27.000 Email us or thoughts as always.

00:35:28.000 Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.

00:35:31.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 17, 2023

Rigged Revisited with Mollie Hemingway and Joseph Fried

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