The Charlie Kirk Show - Rise to the Occasion — Not To the Anger

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00:01:52.000 Dr. Lindsay, welcome back.

00:01:54.000 Hey, Charlie, good to see you.

00:01:56.000 We text, I think, almost every day about some sort of different threat on the horizon.

00:02:00.000 You had a very smart Twitter thread, or at least a long tweet, X, whatever it's called, on the Trans Day of Visibility.

00:02:08.000 Walk us through it, James.

00:02:10.000 Well, I mean, so yesterday was Easter.

00:02:13.000 Yesterday was also Trans Day of Visibility. 0.93

00:02:16.000 And the Biden administration pushed this issue very hard.

00:02:21.000 He made the proclamation, as he has in 22 and in 21, and I guess 23 also.

00:02:27.000 He's done it every year since he's taken office.

00:02:29.000 He's made a proclamation that we're going to honor March 31st as Trans Day of Visibility in line with International Trans Day of Visibility.

00:02:38.000 But he made the announcement this year on Good Friday and he pushed it hard.

00:02:43.000 He mentioned absolutely nothing to do with any sensitivity toward Christians.

00:02:47.000 And so this creates an ambiguous situation.

00:02:49.000 And as I think you and I have talked about many times, an ambiguous situation is an ideal situation for an op.

00:02:54.000 In other words, an active measure.

00:02:56.000 And I think that the Biden administration, in this case, is trying to bait Christians into a reaction, an angry reaction based on this insult.

00:03:06.000 And it is an insult to the Christians in their high holy day.

00:03:11.000 And so what happened on social media all day yesterday is that the entire administration and its functionaries pushed this issue again and again and again.

00:03:20.000 Biden even went so far as to, well, whoever tweeted from his account, I should say, went so far as to say, you know, we see you transgender people.

00:03:29.000 You're the bravest people we know.

00:03:31.000 You're made in the image of God, he said, in fact, to them.

00:03:34.000 And so you can see that there's this intentional dabbling into the provocation against Christians.

00:03:42.000 And I think that the goal is, as I've said for over a year now, I think there's a goal that's growing to associate the right wing, to associate Trump, to associate conservatives and Republicans with not just Christianity, but with some virulent strain, some virulent heresy that does violent, crazy acts.

00:04:02.000 It's like Charlottesville all over again, or it's like January 6th in another fashion to try to discredit both.

00:04:10.000 well, three things, Trump, the so-called Agenda 2025, and conservative Christians overall.

00:04:17.000 So what does that look like?

00:04:18.000 And you said something really smart, which is the reaction is always the stated action, that they are involved in continual provocation campaigns.

00:04:26.000 And with that, James, I guess what you're saying is that this was intentional that they went as hard as they went on Easter.

00:04:33.000 Is that correct?

00:04:34.000 That's right.

00:04:35.000 It would have been very, so you are correct.

00:04:37.000 First of all, the rules for radicals, Saul Olinski said your enemy's reaction is your real action.

00:04:43.000 So the goal is always to provoke a useful reaction.

00:04:46.000 That's the old reflexive method or the dialectical method, problem reaction solution.

00:04:51.000 It depends on creating a problem and then utilizing the reaction to move to a desired solution every single time.

00:04:58.000 And so this is a known methodology.

00:05:00.000 It's in Rules for Radicals. 0.91

00:05:02.000 It's in Beautiful Trouble.

00:05:03.000 You can see it on Beautiful Trouble on their website, which is beautifultrouble.org.

00:05:07.000 It is one of their tactics and principles.

00:05:10.000 And so rather than acknowledging that this is likely to be upsetting to Christians as a true statesman and a true leader would do and say, hey, look, it happens that the Trans Day of Visibility falls on Easter this year. 0.57

00:05:24.000 And so we want to be sensitive to both our Christians, but we also want to acknowledge the trans, which I think is its own set of problems. 0.99

00:05:32.000 But that at least would have acknowledged that the administration was trying to thread this awkward needle one way or another at a minimum of provocation.

00:05:43.000 But there was nothing of the sort.

00:05:44.000 Instead, like I said, there was like this being pushed very, very hard from virtually every department in the federal government and lots of other Democrats, state governments copying it.

00:05:55.000 Whitmer, the NewJersey.gov account on Twitter put this out too, is going very hard on all of this with absolutely no acknowledgement whatsoever for Christians.

00:06:07.000 And so the methodology then they're employing is they want the outrage.

00:06:12.000 And outrage is justified here, but even more than that.

00:06:15.000 They want to try to get something that then solidifies themselves power, like a January 6th style event, right?

00:06:21.000 To try to build and build and build.

00:06:23.000 Because I'm outraged over this, James.

00:06:25.000 It's an insult.

00:06:26.000 I mean, that the entire regime would go so far in on this and so in such a pompous way.

00:06:31.000 Let's just play this.

00:06:32.000 For example, this is Miguel Cardona, who's the head of the Secretary of Education, who I know you've talked about before.

00:06:39.000 This is on Easter, PlayCut 11.

00:06:41.000 At the Department of Education, we know that all students do their best when they're seen and they're supportive.

00:06:47.000 To the many transgender students across the country listening on this Trans Day of Visibility, we in the Biden-Harris administration want you to know that we see you, we support you, and we celebrate you.

00:07:00.000 We also know it's not an easy time to be you.

00:07:02.000 Walking into a classroom should be an act of hope, not an act of bravery.

00:07:06.000 That every day you choose to show up as your true self, you make this world a more brave, more honest, and more free place.

00:07:14.000 In your gift for seeing things as they could be, I see the promise of America.

00:07:19.000 Today, we at the Department of Education want you to know that your school, your community, and your country are better because you're a part of it.

00:07:27.000 You don't just belong here.

00:07:28.000 We need you here.

00:07:30.000 That's on Easter, James.

00:07:32.000 Yeah, it is.

00:07:33.000 And Biden said the same thing from his Twitter account, or whoever runs it did, saying that they're the bravest people he knows, which were made immediately.

00:07:40.000 I thought that's when he said Hunter is the smartest person he knows, is the most preposterous thing I've seen in a while.

00:07:47.000 But like I said, I think this is a deliberate provocation in order to get a reaction.

00:07:51.000 You are absolutely correct.

00:07:52.000 Outrage is warranted.

00:07:53.000 I'm outraged, as a matter of fact, that this theosophical cult posing as some kind of a support group or whatever, the queer theory being the doctrine of this cult, is being pushed from the highest offices of our country on Easter with absolutely no attempt to make any kind of sensitivity to the awkwardness and the contradiction that's happening there. 0.88

00:08:22.000 It's truly outrageous.

00:08:24.000 But what I finished the rest of my kind of long tweet or post or whatever they're called with was an admonition to, you know, get grounded, pray for, first of all, these poor people caught up in this, and I mean the kids that are getting sucked into this cult, but also to pray for your enemies that they, you know, repent, that they stumble, that they make the mistakes, that this opens eyes.

00:08:51.000 And I actually advised people to spend time on Easter or throughout the entire weekend.

00:08:56.000 I think I put it on Saturday to read Matthew 10 in particular as guys.

00:09:03.000 It's not gentle as doves.

00:09:05.000 But more importantly, not just do you need to be discerning, which is wise as serpents, but also gentle, which is extremely important.

00:09:05.000 Right.

00:09:12.000 It's not nice.

00:09:13.000 You need to be gentle.

00:09:14.000 You need to be thoughtful in how you approach these things.

00:09:17.000 You need to not go forth in anger and be rash and whatever else.

00:09:22.000 But he goes on to say, you'll be persecuted.

00:09:24.000 You will be rounded up by the authorities.

00:09:26.000 And when you are asked to speak, don't worry about what you're going to say.

00:09:30.000 If you have faith, don't worry about what you're going to say.

00:09:32.000 The words will be given to you.

00:09:33.000 And so I want people to, I wanted people to take the time to slow down and back up into their faith.

00:09:39.000 Think about what the, because it's a time where people's emotions are running very high.

00:09:44.000 Yes.

00:09:45.000 Think about what the kind of godly way to approach that would be and to trust that the right words and the right attitudes and the right demeanor would come out so that it actually moves the needle.

00:09:56.000 Because the key thing here is they are trying to play for a reaction to play against Christians. 0.92

00:10:02.000 And if Christians don't take the bait and they rise to the occasion instead of to the provocation, then they'll make a demonstration that will open eyes.

00:10:10.000 Rise to the occasion instead of the provocation.

00:10:13.000 I'm going to write that down.

00:10:13.000 I love that.

00:10:15.000 This is really important, everybody.

00:10:16.000 They want you to be not angry, but they want you to act in the anger.

00:10:20.000 Those are two different things.

00:10:21.000 The anger is totally justified.

00:10:22.000 I'm right there with you.

00:10:24.000 But I don't make good decisions when I'm angry.

00:10:26.000 And the question is, how do you then react?

00:10:28.000 Do you organize?

00:10:29.000 Do you build coalitions?

00:10:30.000 Do you try to get involved in politics?

00:10:33.000 Or do you do something that they want you to do, which is they are yearning for another, let's just say, moment of outrage?

00:10:41.000 And the two biggest that have changed public opinion, number one, was Charlottesville.

00:10:46.000 Remember, that was Joe Biden's reason for running.

00:10:48.000 And then January 6th.

00:10:51.000 Joe Biden, in his original reason for running, he said, I'm running for president because of Charlottesville.

00:10:56.000 Because of a hoax.

00:10:58.000 You want to riff on that?

00:10:59.000 That the two kind of, let's just say, ops that they run on is Charlottesville and January 6th, both of which are people that were outraged about something that then took to the streets and were either infiltrated, provoked, or brought to levels to do things that they would regret, where a small minority of people did things that, you know, were violent, don't like, that then got represented as a movement whole.

00:11:20.000 Can you walk us through that?

00:11:21.000 I mean, that last piece is really the dynamic that people need to understand is that it will be a very small number of the worst actors that will be taken as representative of the entire group if people can't contain themselves.

00:11:34.000 And so, you know, a lot of people think that when I say this, I'm saying don't act.

00:11:38.000 What I'm saying is that they're setting up pretext for what they want you to do so that when you do it, like Joe Biden said, that's his reason for running.

00:11:48.000 And then January 6th has been nothing but a nightmare for conservatives and especially the people who, I guess, not even went into the Capitol, but went within a few hundred feet of the Capitol or something now for several years.

00:12:01.000 And it has justified so many of their things that what I'm calling for people to do is to take judicious action.

00:12:08.000 I mean, to invoke another Bible verse, it's the turn the other cheek first, which I don't think is very well understood.

00:12:14.000 A lot of times I'm even seeing people that claim to be Christians running around on the internet saying that turning the other cheek is kind of how we got here.

00:12:20.000 And it means kind of getting run over and bullied.

00:12:24.000 What in the world would Jesus be instructing people to let people bully you?

00:12:28.000 That's not, it can't possibly be what he's saying.

00:12:31.000 But what it does mean is that if somebody offers you an insult, say, point out the fact that they've insulted you and say, go ahead and insult me again.

00:12:38.000 Yes, that's exactly right.

00:12:39.000 I can abide.

00:12:39.000 No, it disempowers what otherwise would offend you.

00:12:43.000 That's exactly right.

00:12:45.000 That's right.

00:12:45.000 You don't always have to do it.

00:12:46.000 Christians are called.

00:12:47.000 Yes, keep going, please.

00:12:48.000 Well, they're just called to so many actions in the gospels that make it so easy to turn a tyrant's misbehaviors and misdeeds and misfecins back against them in the court of public opinion, where, you know, Jesus says his kingdom's not of this world, but we live in this world, and this world is not exactly a perfect heavenly world.

00:13:11.000 And the court of public opinion may or may not be just, but it is where people tend to get judged.

00:13:16.000 And so Christians have an enormous amount of excellent advice in the Gospels guiding them to make judicious decisions in circumstances like these up against tyrants, whether those tyrants are the kings spoken about in the gospels, whether it's Pilate or whether it, you know, in the Romans or whether it's the administration and its global functionaries that we're dealing with right now.

00:13:40.000 James, I love how you're quoting scripture.

00:13:42.000 It makes it gives me great joy.

00:13:44.000 And so we're going to keep diving into this.

00:13:46.000 I hope everyone understands the profundity of what James is saying here, which is that how we respond is going to determine the future of the civilization.

00:13:55.000 And understand, we can use this as fuel to build our ranks to show really what they believe and why they're doing it.

00:14:01.000 But the response is the total key.

00:14:03.000 And James, they will try to infiltrate groups, will they not?

00:14:06.000 They will try to turn up the volume recklessly.

00:14:10.000 And by they, I mean the federal government, FBI.

00:14:13.000 Yeah, look what they did with the plot to kidnap Governor Whitmer in Michigan.

00:14:18.000 And the only quibble I have with what you just said, Charlie, is you said they will infiltrate.

00:14:22.000 No, no, that's incorrect.

00:14:23.000 They have already infiltrated.

00:14:24.000 No, that's true.

00:14:24.000 That's true.

00:14:24.000 It's past tense.

00:14:26.000 The infiltration is here.

00:14:27.000 The infiltration is among us.

00:14:30.000 The infiltration is often not very savvy because it glows and you can kind of learn to see it.

00:14:35.000 But the infiltration is already here.

00:14:37.000 And the goal will be to push us off a cliff and then to snap the trap as we go.

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00:15:48.000 So, James, I'm going to mention three events, and I want you to tell me what they all have in common: Charlottesville, the death of George Floyd, and January 6th.

00:15:56.000 No, those were all setups that they used to move the ball an awful lot.

00:16:02.000 Charlottesville created the pretext to where people were able to believe that Trump, you know, was praising white supremacists and thus building out the whole America's a secretly white supremacist nation.

00:16:14.000 And then you move into the death of George Floyd, which was a mass line.

00:16:19.000 Actually, all three of these are mass line events against the American people as well.

00:16:23.000 But the mass line on George Floyd is the absolute biggest one that they've run, with the possible exception of COVID-19.

00:16:30.000 And they ran an operation to get the United States to completely change its policy in this reflexive environment where people believed the incorrect take on what was going on due to yet another hoax.

00:16:43.000 And then January 6th is the same thing.

00:16:46.000 It was a setup and then it was blown completely out of proportion.

00:16:49.000 And they have milked that thing.

00:16:51.000 I mean, I don't even know how to quantify how much milk they've been able to squeeze out of that tiny, tiny little cow, but it's unbelievable.

00:17:00.000 And the goals have been to run mass line attacks against the United States and its people and its constitution so the Democrats can seize power. 0.61

00:17:08.000 So, James, Charlottesville, Floyd, January 6th, these are three isolated events that then kind of become narrative and mythologized, right?

00:17:17.000 So they're constantly mentioned, they're constantly shown, they're constantly utilized for different purposes.

00:17:23.000 Charlottesville, race politics, George Floyd, BLM.

00:17:27.000 So similar to race politics, but the Charlottesville thing was like, oh my goodness, look at all the white supremacists around Floyd, obviously, BLM, and police brutality.

00:17:35.000 January 6th, about how this movement's going to try to overthrow the government.

00:17:38.000 All three of those made the national security state and the regime more powerful.

00:17:44.000 They use these events as justification, as dare I say, mini 9-11s, how it shocks the nation, give us power.

00:17:53.000 Shocks the nation, gives us power.

00:17:55.000 I want to play this tape, though, to prove my point.

00:17:57.000 This is before George Floyd.

00:17:59.000 This is before January 6th.

00:18:01.000 This is when Joe Biden was not to be considered a candidate that was going to go anywhere.

00:18:04.000 Remember, he was installed and implemented.

00:18:06.000 He really didn't win very much.

00:18:07.000 He was appointed during COVID and it looked like Bernie Sanders is going to win.

00:18:10.000 But he played on the mythology of Charlottesville because his handlers know the power of a big lie.

00:18:17.000 PlayCut 23.

00:18:19.000 Charlottesville is also home to a defining moment for this nation in the last few years.

00:18:29.000 It was there on August of 2017 we saw Klansmen and white supremacists and neo-Nazis come out in the open.

00:18:38.000 Their crazed faces illuminated by torches, veins bulging and burying the fangs of racism, champing the same anti-Semitic bile herd across Europe in the 30s.

00:18:53.000 And in that moment, I knew the threat to this nation was unlike any I had ever seen in my lifetime.

00:19:00.000 That's why today I'm announcing my candidacy.

00:19:03.000 Boom.

00:19:04.000 So there you have event, action, event, action.

00:19:08.000 Event, action.

00:19:10.000 James Lindsay.

00:19:11.000 No, that's pretext.

00:19:12.000 And by the way, Biden's looking an awful lot healthier back then.

00:19:14.000 No, I know.

00:19:15.000 He looked like a spring chicken back then.

00:19:18.000 Yeah, he looks quite young, as a matter of fact, by comparison.

00:19:22.000 But no, it's exactly what you said.

00:19:24.000 It's reflexive pretext.

00:19:26.000 The goal is to get people to believe this mythology and then to actualize some kind of power grab off of that mythology.

00:19:35.000 So there you had this event, whether that was organic or not, or to what degree it was organic, to what degree it was infiltrated is perhaps an open question.

00:19:44.000 And it became a defining moment that set up Joe Biden running for president, almost like a TV show.

00:19:49.000 And then you have George Floyd die, and it's the same kind of thing.

00:19:53.000 Nobody quite knows what's going on, but there's the narrative that we all have to run with.

00:19:57.000 And in each case, what you see is that there are massive shifts in their ability to advance their agenda.

00:20:04.000 And finally, with January 6th, here's a little piece of funny evidence that they're connected.

00:20:09.000 As many people know, I have an extremist profile on the Southern Poverty Law Center website.

00:20:13.000 And if you go look at it, the second thing they say about me is that I made a series of jokes mocking George Floyd on January 6th.

00:20:22.000 Why on earth would those two things be connected enough to where that's the second thing they have to say about me?

00:20:28.000 But it's obvious that the reason is because they're all part of this broad mythology that they're using to justify their take for power.

00:20:36.000 And in the same way in Christian theology, we have stories that build our faith, the binding of Isaac, the parting of the Red Sea, the transmission of the Ten Commandments on Sinai.

00:20:47.000 The current regime has myths that they need to repeat and tell to pass down to their infantry, to pass down to their activists.

00:20:57.000 They say, remember when all those white supremacists brought the Tiki torches to Charlottesville? 0.50

00:21:00.000 Do you remember where that poor black man was, you know, put the knee on the neck? 0.94

00:21:04.000 Do you remember when they tried to overthrow our government?

00:21:06.000 And remember, each one increases in their ferocity of action against us.

00:21:10.000 James Lindsay, he's over the mark here.

00:21:12.000 I really like it.

00:21:13.000 So, James, I don't know how much time you spent with Dr. Miriam Grossman.

00:21:17.000 I'm here to promote your book, not her book, but I've been intimately studying her book, and it is fantastic.

00:21:24.000 Yes, she's very good.

00:21:25.000 And I know it's a sister book to your book in the sense where almost you could sell it as a combo pack.

00:21:31.000 She handles it from a completely different perspective, from a medical perspective, right?

00:21:35.000 She's a clinician.

00:21:36.000 But the queering of the American child, what is it? 0.61

00:21:40.000 Tell us about how you wrote this book.

00:21:41.000 And you also have a co-author that I know you want to shout out.

00:21:44.000 Yeah, so we'll start with the co-author because this is how we wrote the book.

00:21:46.000 His name's Logan Lansing.

00:21:48.000 He is just a dad.

00:21:49.000 He is a dad who started planning to have a family.

00:21:52.000 He has two very young children.

00:21:54.000 So he started planning a few years ago with his wife.

00:21:56.000 And he said, well, I'm going to look and see.

00:21:57.000 He's vaguely aware of what's going on with the so-called culture wars.

00:22:01.000 And he wanted to look into what was going on in the schools.

00:22:04.000 And he saw all of the sexuality stuff, the comprehensive sexuality education and the queering of the American child, as we came to call it. 0.84

00:22:11.000 And he became concerned and he started to study queer theory.

00:22:14.000 And he took up a lot of my podcasts and my writing.

00:22:17.000 And he studied a lot of the papers and the books on his own that I hadn't read.

00:22:21.000 And he got in touch with me.

00:22:22.000 We shared information.

00:22:23.000 Eventually, he handed a manuscript to me and said, what do you think of this?

00:22:26.000 And I said, let's build this bigger if you want and turn it into the book that it became.

00:22:32.000 And so we worked on it together for a few months.

00:22:34.000 And we basically, what I loved about the book, besides its accessibility, how easy it is to read, how clear it is about the subject, is that right from the beginning, from the very first sentence, he pulls zero punches.

00:22:46.000 He said that the American schools are in the grip of a religious cult in the first sentence.

00:22:51.000 And I thought, wow.

00:22:52.000 Okay.

00:22:52.000 So now we're ready to talk about this issue the way it needs to be talked about.

00:22:56.000 And so we ran with that angle.

00:22:58.000 And so the book is about queer theory, how it made it into schools, how it's practiced in schools.

00:23:03.000 But ultimately, what its thesis is, is that queer theory is the doctrine of a religious cult that's based in sex and based on Marxism. 0.68

00:23:11.000 It primarily targets children. 0.68

00:23:13.000 And it has very little to do with gay people. 0.98

00:23:16.000 And they hide behind gay people like human shields to move their agenda. 0.99

00:23:20.000 And it so far has been extremely successful. 0.95

00:23:22.000 It's been out for a month and people are giving me the most incredible feedback.

00:23:26.000 I feel so blessed to get to help people understand the world that they're having to deal with and face.

00:23:32.000 James, it's a remarkable work that you've done here.

00:23:35.000 I haven't read it yet.

00:23:36.000 I've read almost all your books.

00:23:37.000 Race Marxism is an incredible contribution to knowledge. 1.00

00:23:40.000 Do you get the joke?

00:23:41.000 That's true.

00:23:42.000 It is.

00:23:43.000 It's a very important contribution to knowledge.

00:23:46.000 It will definitely not win an award for excellence in scholarship.

00:23:50.000 Just so everyone knows, Dr. Lindsay, his claim to fame before all this stuff, and I'm glad that you've added to the bio, but it's just amazing.

00:23:58.000 He wrote a series of fake academic papers.

00:24:00.000 What was the one that was the dogs getting raped or something, or which one was it? 0.93

00:24:04.000 Yeah, dogs getting raped.

00:24:06.000 So we assess that human beings can find out how much rape culture people accept by watching whether or not they accept dog rape at the dog park. 0.98

00:24:15.000 So if they went to the dog park and saw dogs humping each other and they were favorable to it, which we claim straight men were, but as long as it wasn't gay dog rape, in which case straight men were not. 0.75

00:24:25.000 You could find out all kinds of things about people's attitudes about rape.

00:24:28.000 And so then we concluded that we should train men the way that we train dogs out of obedience manuals and with leashes and things, if only we could make it politically feasible in order to overcome rape culture. 0.59

00:24:39.000 And this was accepted by a leading feminist geography journal and given an award for excellence in scholarship in 2018, which was pretty exciting.

00:24:49.000 And then they said it was a contribution, like a wonderful contribution to knowledge.

00:24:54.000 That was a much more gross paper that was called an important contribution to knowledge, which is more up the queering of the American Child alley.

00:25:01.000 We claimed it's straight another paper, which is accepted by a high-level sexualities journal called Sexuality and Culture.

00:25:08.000 We claimed that straight men are primarily transphobic because they don't practice putting things up number two.

00:25:14.000 And if they practiced, they would become more feminine, more feminist, more sensitive, and much less homophobic and transphobic.

00:25:23.000 And that was called an important contribution to knowledge.

00:25:26.000 This is the state of the academy, everybody.

00:25:28.000 The book is The Queering of the American Child: How a New School Religious Cult, and I'm going to ask James about that in a second, poisons the minds and bodies of normal kids. 0.90

00:25:39.000 Ooh, using the word normal, James.

00:25:42.000 How dare you?

00:25:43.000 That is a transphobic word.

00:25:45.000 There is no such thing as normal.

00:25:47.000 There is only queer. 1.00

00:25:48.000 We're going to talk about that sort of tension, though.

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00:26:46.000 So, James, in your book, Queering of the American Child, you say how a new school religious cult poisons the mind.

00:26:53.000 So, I want to dive in on this word religious.

00:26:55.000 So, if it is a religion, what is their central text?

00:27:00.000 What is their belief in the afterlife or the divine?

00:27:04.000 What do they worship?

00:27:05.000 So, what I'm doing, James, is I'm analytically using the criteria of how we determine something to be a religion, and I want to start to go through those boxes.

00:27:12.000 So, please, let's start with those two.

00:27:14.000 What is their core text or texts that would comprise the doctrine of queer theory, and what do they worship?

00:27:23.000 So, what I would tell you, the core texts would be, and it's not a single text, it's a body of literature, would in fact be the queer theory literature and its antecedents in the postmodern and critical theory literature.

00:27:35.000 For example, over the weekend, because of this provocation against Christians that we saw on Easter, I've been sharing from Paulo Fready, the Marxist educator from Brazil, a page out of his 1984 book called The Politics of Education.

00:27:49.000 It's in the 10th chapter.

00:27:50.000 It's kind of far into the book, but he says that what's actually necessary to be on the side of the oppressed is a death and rebirth, in fact, a resurrection.

00:27:59.000 He says it's in fact an experienced personal Easter that you have to go through, and that the Easter of the calendar is actually just dead rhetoric with no hope of resurrection.

00:28:09.000 And that's how he explains it.

00:28:10.000 So, this is a body of literature from the critical theory approach and from the postmodern view of the false structure of reality leading into the queer theory, which also, of course, has all of its roots down in Karl Marx, whether it's the manifesto or whether it's the economic philosophic manuscripts earlier than that, which is a very religious text.

00:28:33.000 In those cases, that body of literature produces the religious texts of this cult religion.

00:28:43.000 What was the second part?

00:28:44.000 Well, I said, What do they worship?

00:28:46.000 Oh, they worship themselves. 0.57

00:28:47.000 It's one of the most extraordinarily narcissistic cults in history.

00:28:51.000 The queer theory aspect of this is pretty unabashedly the worship of very much so the individual self. 0.94

00:29:00.000 If we look back a little further, though, and we understand that this derives from Karl Marx, and we make that argument very well in the book, Karl Marx worshipped man, man as a collective, man as a being that sees itself and understands itself to know that it is its own creator, and in fact, a creative species.

00:29:18.000 And in other words, a species that's able to do acts of creation.

00:29:23.000 And in particular, he creates himself.

00:29:26.000 He creates himself by creating society, and then society in turn indoctrinates or socializes man to be who he is.

00:29:33.000 Marx believed that happened through economic conditions.

00:29:38.000 But as a matter of fact, the queer theory cult believes that happens through the definition of normalcy and legitimacy. 0.82

00:29:44.000 What conditions do we use to qualify something as being normal and acceptable, or on the other hand, perverse or degenerate?

00:29:52.000 So the question, let's keep on going through kind of just agreed upon criteria of religious.

00:29:59.000 How do they then expand their ranks?

00:30:02.000 I mean, not every religion has evangelism as a core tenet.

00:30:06.000 For example, in Judaism, they will accept converts, but it is not a core tenant of Judaism to go and seek converts of all nations.

00:30:15.000 In Christianity, it is not just suggested it is a primary focus of activity to try and spread the good news, the gospel, to make disciples of all nations.

00:30:25.000 Is it in queer theory the idea to expand, to proselytize? 0.81

00:30:30.000 And if so, how?

00:30:31.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:30:32.000 They fundamentally believe that everybody is intrinsically queer and people have adopted an ideology or mythology of normalcy that prevents them from experiencing their intrinsically queer nature.

00:30:43.000 So it's their goal to go reawaken people to who they really are.

00:30:47.000 And that requires things like trans day of visibility.

00:30:50.000 You have to make it very visible to make people wonder about it and ask questions about it.

00:30:54.000 You have to attach a very, frankly, divisive value set called inclusion to where you're a horrible person if you're not participating according to the dictates of the cult.

00:31:04.000 And frankly, it recruits through grooming.

00:31:07.000 And we're very clear on that in the book.

00:31:08.000 And I mean cult or ideological or religious grooming.

00:31:11.000 I don't necessarily mean sexual grooming, though in this case, they happen to overlap.

00:31:16.000 What I mean by grooming is that they are, In their own words, a guy, Kevin Kumashiro, we quote, makes it very clear.

00:31:23.000 They are inducing trauma.

00:31:25.000 They are inducing personal crisis and then structuring the environment around children through queer education, specifically so that they resolve that crisis in the direction that makes them more open to queer theory. 0.82

00:31:37.000 The verbiage in the Drag Queen Story Hour paper you and I have talked about in the past is explicit as well.

00:31:42.000 They call Drag Queen Story Hour a, and I quote, preparatory introduction to alternate modes of kinship.

00:31:49.000 And they reference that it's family friendly, and this is their words, family-friendly in the sense of the queer family that you find on the street. 0.89

00:31:58.000 So it's very explicitly that they are introducing the ideas, and then they are traumatizing children and sometimes adults into accepting these ideas under the view of inclusion or of self-worth.

00:32:11.000 And then they engage in practices like love bombing.

00:32:15.000 They go through the entire what they call trauma bonding spectrum, as we outline in the book, to bring people in.

00:32:21.000 But evangelistic isn't quite the right word, but it is definitely a strongly proselytizing.

00:32:30.000 But they look to expand their ranks, right?

00:32:32.000 And so I want to go to everybody.

00:32:34.000 I want to go through some of the language here.

00:32:35.000 I wrote this down.

00:32:37.000 So would it be fair to say that their theology is original queer, not original sin? 0.92

00:32:43.000 That you are originally queer at the foundational level and that you've suppressed it through all of the Western society, Anglo-Saxon sort of practices, and that we have to try to reignite what has then been stifled. 0.98

00:32:56.000 Is that part of their belief?

00:32:58.000 That's close.

00:32:59.000 It would be that human beings are intrinsically, we're made, as Joe Biden said, in the image of God, to be queer. 0.99

00:33:06.000 God would be considered queer for sure. 1.00

00:33:08.000 And so your state, your unfallen state in the garden would have been queer. 0.98

00:33:14.000 But then with the advent of the idea of certain people asserting a concept of normalcy or legitimacy to human expression or behavior, all of a sudden the man fell and he became ashamed of how he behaved.

00:33:30.000 He became ashamed of who he was, especially if he was perverse and the other people shamed him.

00:33:35.000 And we fell out of that ideal state.

00:33:37.000 And so the goal would be to bring people back into knowledge.

00:33:40.000 This is identical to Marx.

00:33:42.000 He believed that we were a fundamentally social species that had forgotten it because of the introduction of private property that estranges us from one another.

00:33:49.000 Here, it's the exact same thing.

00:33:51.000 We are a fundamentally queer, limitless, no rules, no limitations species being, and that we have lost track of that due to the social strictures and norms that come with polite society.

00:34:07.000 So this is where it goes full circle, James.

00:34:09.000 That idea is not new.

00:34:11.000 In fact, it's ancient.

00:34:15.000 And it's Gnostic Hermeticism.

00:34:17.000 You're the only one to ever put these dots together, where it goes all the way back to an idea from Egypt.

00:34:25.000 What is this?

00:34:26.000 Yeah, well, that's the Hermetic idea.

00:34:29.000 And just to be very clear, queer theory is extraordinarily hermetic in its orientation. 0.54

00:34:34.000 Hermeticism is an ancient, I would say, evil religion of transformation.

00:34:40.000 It believes that there is a total unity to all existence.

00:34:46.000 Everything in the universe is God.

00:34:48.000 I think the formal word for that is either pantheist or panentheist.

00:34:52.000 I forget which one.

00:34:53.000 And everything is actually God embodied, but it's shards of the divine trapped within the shape of the mundane.

00:35:03.000 And so what you have to do is undergo practices of alchemy to find the truly divine aspects of things or yourself and bring them back together.

00:35:14.000 And when all of that has been accomplished, then we will return to the unity of God and we're all part of that unity of God.

00:35:21.000 So in other words, we'll all return to the Pleroma or to heaven or whatever.

00:35:25.000 The plenitude of God is what that means.

00:35:27.000 And so in this case, being queer for the queer theorists or being a socialist for the Marxists is in fact the divine spark hidden inside of your mundane form. 0.96

00:35:37.000 And the goal is to bring that out by criticizing away the lead so that that spark of gold can blossom.

00:35:45.000 And so that's the idea, and that's why it's totally critical is they're constantly criticizing everything that they believe stifles the Gnostic imperative that they think is divinity at their heart.

00:35:57.000 And of course, you see this as they did the I Joan thing at the Globe Shakespeare Theater where they readed Joan of Arc and it was non-binary and trans.

00:36:05.000 And the actor comes out looking like Harry Potter and says, trans people are sacred.

00:36:10.000 And you hear that rhetoric all over the place because that's actually what they believe.

00:36:13.000 They believe that they are freeing the divinity inside of themselves that has been imprisoned by the mundane world and the requirements of other people in society.

00:36:23.000 So James, I've asked you this question before, but I'm going to ask it again.

00:36:27.000 And maybe you might have a different answer the more that you've been reading the scriptures, which I love.

00:36:31.000 What is it about Christianity that is such a threat to the queer theory religion? 1.00

00:36:36.000 I mean, the primary thing that the threat about Christianity is a threat to it is that the first commandment, you'll have no other gods before me. 0.96

00:36:46.000 When people truly believe that, it's a real problem for believing that there's this transformational religion of remaking yourself into who you really were, or that we're actually already gods or God in unity that doesn't realize it.

00:37:02.000 That's simply not possible.

00:37:04.000 So the line between arrogance and humility really is the first thing, but the most threatening aspect of Christianity overwhelmingly to the queer theory cult is the forgiveness through repentance for anybody. 0.93

00:37:17.000 So you take your own selfish action and you repent of it and you can be forgiven and you are valid and valued and in fact regenerate.

00:37:27.000 You come back into the fullness of your being through basically repentance of your selfishness, which is an arrow of death to these fundamentally narcissistic religions. 0.99

00:37:41.000 An arrow of death.

00:37:43.000 And it really does seem to be a tension.

00:37:47.000 And this is James' words. 0.95

00:37:49.000 If there was a Satan, queer theory would become from the pit of hell. 1.00

00:37:53.000 Think about it.

00:37:53.000 You have everyone walking around that you are God and that you have to just go through a process of metamuffé, metamorphosis in Greek, transformation into who you really are.

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00:39:05.000 So, James, we have a listener here who I really respect who texted me, clip that right there, clip it, alchemy.

00:39:12.000 Most people don't realize what, realize when they believe this.

00:39:15.000 He explained that so well.

00:39:16.000 So, riff a little bit additionally on alchemy.

00:39:18.000 That got a big response from someone who I really, really, really love.

00:39:22.000 There's so much that could be said about alchemy.

00:39:24.000 Alchemy is the objective of turning something that is not into something, or sorry, something that is into something that is not.

00:39:32.000 It is a magic spell.

00:39:33.000 I just read Alchemy and Finance by George Soros last week, so I could actually spend a lot of time talking about this.

00:39:39.000 But it's a process of transformation of the mundane into the divine, whether that's turning a mundane metal like lead into gold, whether that's turning death into life through the elixir of life, whether that's just meant in a spiritual capacity where we're taking our lower level self and elevating to some astral understanding of ourself or cosmic consciousness or whatever they want to call it.

00:40:03.000 The idea is that you are doing something magical to weave in some of a lie about what's divine into the truth of what we really are, which is that we're people.

00:40:18.000 There is no turning lead into gold.

00:40:20.000 There is no turning death into life.

00:40:22.000 If that's possible, that's not for us.

00:40:25.000 And we don't have that capacity.

00:40:27.000 But the idea of alchemy is it's come about in critical theory and these critical methods or what would be called negative theologies or apophatic theology is that in fact, the shard of the divine is always trapped within the mundane form.

00:40:43.000 And the goal is to tear apart the mundane form.

00:40:46.000 Or in other words, in Herbert Marcuse's language, the neo-Marxist, to criticize those aspects of the current society so that the ideal society that is contained within it can come out.

00:40:57.000 And so it's an idea of magical transformation or as you said, metamorphosis or transmutation.

00:41:03.000 That's the word.

00:41:04.000 Yes.

00:41:05.000 From, yes, transmutation of substance to take a allegedly fallen and mundane substance and liberate its divine aspect and actualize it in reality.

00:41:16.000 And what happens when you try to practice alchemy in reality is in the physical sciences, it's impossible and it fails.

00:41:23.000 And in the social sciences, you're engaging in manipulation that eventually creates tremendous calamity and discord.

00:41:29.000 And speak on this, James.

00:41:31.000 The promise is liberation, but in reality, it is slavery.

00:41:35.000 It doesn't make people more free.

00:41:36.000 It makes them easier to control and far more tortured and tormented.

00:41:41.000 And we could just look at that empirically, but talk about that philosophically.

00:41:45.000 It doesn't liberate people.

00:41:46.000 It does the opposite.

00:41:48.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:41:48.000 It does not liberate people.

00:41:50.000 C.S. Lewis was really clear on this, and he talked about, you know, he actually did this really great thing where he compared it to the Tao so that it wouldn't get caught up in the world.

00:41:59.000 It's an abolition of man. 0.77

00:42:01.000 That's where he talks about that.

00:42:02.000 That's right.

00:42:02.000 Yeah.

00:42:03.000 Which I read Flying Out to See You in Phoenix a few weeks ago.

00:42:06.000 That's great.

00:42:07.000 And so it's a beautiful book.

00:42:08.000 Yeah, it's what I said is that if I had the capacity to say this about this topic, it's what I would have said, but I don't have the capacity to write like Lewis.

00:42:17.000 And so there is a right way to live.

00:42:20.000 There is at least some right ways to live.

00:42:23.000 And when you live those ways, you can govern yourself and you don't have to be controlled.

00:42:29.000 When you decide to, and what queer really means is to throw away limiting principles, to throw away all of the Tao or the way of living or righteousness, is to throw it away in pursuit of your own selfish desires. 0.92

00:42:44.000 And when you live that way instead, what happens is things start to go wrong.

00:42:48.000 You don't have the capacity to govern yourself against the realities of the world.

00:42:53.000 And so what you have to start doing is beseeching or claiming power in order to control the world around you.

00:43:01.000 It's the exact inversion of the old advice.

00:43:04.000 The old advice is to prepare the child for the road, not to prepare the road for the child.

00:43:09.000 But when you decide to liberate yourself of all limiting principles, the only thing you can do is prepare the road.

00:43:14.000 Prepare the child for the road.

00:43:19.000 Who said that, James?

00:43:20.000 Oh my gosh, that's so old.

00:43:21.000 I wish I knew.

00:43:22.000 It sounds like a Chinese proverb.

00:43:25.000 So let's talk about abolition of men and how that connects to your book.

00:43:28.000 In Abolition of Man, C.S. Lewis starts kind of strangely criticizing a child's book, saying, Yes, that's right.

00:43:36.000 The child's book says that the waterfall is nice or whatever, but not sublime.

00:43:41.000 Who is to say that the waterfall, if I'm drawing from memory here many years back, who's to say that the waterfall is sublime?

00:43:47.000 And he dives in basically saying Western civilization will die if this is played out.

00:43:53.000 It was like the God.

00:43:54.000 It's like the God is dead warning cry.

00:43:56.000 And talk about how that connects to your book.

00:43:59.000 And he eventually gets into a non-religious statement where he says, look, you could draw from the Asians or draw from Judaism or Christianity the Tao or the way.

00:44:08.000 If you do not have an agreed upon way to live, then you're going to have some form of despotic totalitarianism and darkness.

00:44:17.000 James, I'd love to have you riff on that and connect it with your book.

00:44:19.000 No, well, what's going on, at least as we're exposing it and queering of the American child, is that the queer theory literature really advocates for individuals.

00:44:32.000 And I want to put a caveat on this, but go with me.

00:44:35.000 They want individuals to act however they want.

00:44:38.000 So everybody's way is the right way.

00:44:40.000 There is no wrong way.

00:44:42.000 The only thing that's actually wrong is anything that supports what's considered normal.

00:44:47.000 And I know you honed in on those words on the cover earlier, normal kids.

00:44:50.000 What in the world?

00:44:50.000 How dare you, James?

00:44:52.000 Normal.

00:44:52.000 What do you mean by normal?

00:44:53.000 As a matter of fact, when I put this book out, my father-in-law texted me almost immediately and was like, how are you going to define normal kid?

00:45:00.000 And I'm like, uh-oh, you know, here we go.

00:45:03.000 But the fact of the matter is, is that we're not, we don't have to define normal.

00:45:06.000 We define normal as not queer because queer defines itself as whatever, literally whatever is opposed to the normal. 1.00

00:45:14.000 He explains, David Halperin, who defined queer for the first time in 95, explains that what's meant by queer is nothing essential to the person.

00:45:23.000 In other words, it's a purely political stance.

00:45:25.000 So a normal kid could be a tomboy, could be a kind of, you know, a feminine boy. 0.94

00:45:30.000 It could be a normal boy.

00:45:31.000 It could be a, you know, whatever.

00:45:33.000 It doesn't matter.

00:45:34.000 They're boys and girls and they're fine like they are.

00:45:36.000 But what being queer means is having adopted this politics, that it has adopted this kind of this radical rejection of normalcy. 1.00

00:45:46.000 And so a normal kid is any kid, no matter how they act, who has not accepted a radical politics of destroying everything around them.

00:45:55.000 Now, Lewis's point was that that kind of a disposition follows from having essentially no heart put into you through understanding that there is something far more deep than this kind of presentation in the children's book, which is all very, you know, anodyne.

00:46:10.000 Oh, the waterfall is nice and you can't make any value judgments about it.

00:46:15.000 He's saying, no, no, no, you have to be able to make value judgments.

00:46:18.000 And so when you make value judgments, you have yourself kind of filled up and thus resistant to this.

00:46:25.000 But when you are in this kind of nihilistic emptiness, at that point, the only thing to fill yourself up with is yourself, which is this vicious circle because it's ultimately empty.

00:46:36.000 And what you end up doing is pursuing your own self.

00:46:39.000 But with queer theory, what it's saying is it's what's being, not what Lewis is saying, but with queer theory, how it attaches this, is that what you're filling yourself up with is hatred for everything that makes things work. 0.50

00:46:54.000 And that's what it means to be queer.

00:46:56.000 So normal kids are however they want to be.

00:46:58.000 But the fact of the matter is, is that they haven't adopted an intention.

00:47:01.000 Imagine this, though, a child adopting an intentionally oppositional politic, because that's what it means to be queer.

00:47:08.000 And if there isn't the, so if we could venture so far to say the Tao is the normal, it's the way, that if you stray off the way, then you aren't normal.

00:47:21.000 And we should, is that fair to say?

00:47:24.000 Well, yeah.

00:47:24.000 And then, I mean, we can tie that back to the Bible, of course, which is that when you stray off from the righteous way, what's going to happen is bad things are going to befall you, and you have to be called back to that.

00:47:36.000 Again, we come back to why repentance is like the core enemy of queer theory. 0.91

00:47:41.000 It's setting yourself aside and trying to get back onto the, as Jesus said, straight and narrow way rather than the wide path that leads to destruction intentionally, because when we do that, when we're called back to the righteous way, we flourish.

00:47:58.000 James, it is the queering of the American Child. 0.92

00:48:00.000 I feel like we're just getting warmed up.

00:48:01.000 So you're doing great.

00:48:03.000 Final question, James.

00:48:04.000 What part of the Bible are you reading right now and are you enjoying it?

00:48:07.000 Well, I am enjoying it, but I'm still in Matthew, actually.

00:48:10.000 Matthew 7, 10, I got pulled into 26, which is the parable of the talents.

00:48:15.000 We've talked about the parable of the talents before.

00:48:18.000 I didn't realize that's what it was.

00:48:19.000 It's my favorite story in the Bible.

00:48:21.000 But I'm really getting a lot out of Matthew 7 and 10.

00:48:25.000 We'll have to talk more.

00:48:26.000 God bless you, James Lindsay.

00:48:27.000 Excellent.

00:48:27.000 As always, by his book.

00:48:28.000 Thanks so much.

00:48:29.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:48:30.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:48:33.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - April 02, 2024

Rise to the Occasion — Not To the Anger

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