The Charlie Kirk Show - Rittenhouse Verdict Watch—Everything You Need to Know with Jack Posobiec

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00:02:47.000 The idea of justice is supposed to be blind and is supposed to be, in its design, unimpacted by outside threats, intimidation, or influences.

00:03:05.000 The founding father of the Western idea of justice, the justice system, I guess you could say, is not an American.

00:03:17.000 It's a man by the name of William Blackstone.

00:03:20.000 William Blackstone was prolific.

00:03:25.000 He was special.

00:03:26.000 William Blackstone was a man who lived right before the Founding Fathers.

00:03:34.000 One of his most famous quotes is one that you'll hear in law school repeatedly: that it's better for 10 guilty people to escape than for one innocent person to suffer.

00:03:44.000 Now, what is the wisdom behind that quote?

00:03:47.000 And by the way, Blackstone was a devout Christian and had a great amount of respect for, not just respect, he believed in the transcendent biblical order.

00:03:57.000 And so he believed that the justice system must be intentionally rigorous, that in order to sacrifice someone, in order to take away someone's freedom of movement, of travel, of speech, and put them in a confinement, a prison, you must be really sure of what you're doing.

00:04:20.000 Now, Blackstone had some failings as well.

00:04:22.000 Blackstone was an unapologetic defender of the monarchy, as was Edmund Burke.

00:04:31.000 But Edmund Burke was, he was more supportive of the American Revolution than I think that most people ever give him credit for.

00:04:38.000 He was a harsh critic of the French Revolution, though.

00:04:40.000 Different topic for a different time.

00:04:43.000 William Blackstone famously said, no enactment of man can be considered the law unless it conforms to the law of God.

00:04:48.000 And so Blackstone was teasing what Jefferson would eventually say in the Declaration, the laws of nature and nature's God.

00:04:55.000 Nature coming from the Latin word birth or new or out of the earth.

00:05:02.000 William Blackstone had another quote, though.

00:05:04.000 William Blackstone, from 1723 to 1780, said the following.

00:05:11.000 Self-defense is justly called the primary law of nature.

00:05:20.000 So it is not, neither can it be in fact ever taken away by the laws of society.

00:05:30.000 William Blackstone, the architect of the Western justice system, said that self-defense is justly called the primary law of nature.

00:05:43.000 Think about the significance of what he's saying there.

00:05:47.000 That if you're not able to defend yourself against an aggressor, then you are violating at the core the social contract of your existence in the laws of nature and nature's God.

00:06:00.000 Now, Blackstone meant this both for people like Kyle Rittenhouse and Brett Kavanaugh.

00:06:06.000 You see, Blackstone was not just saying that you should be able to defend yourself against the child rapist who wants to kill you, like Kyle Rittenhouse, but also against people like Christine Balzay Ford who decide to come out and say, you know, I think you did something bad to me.

00:06:25.000 And Brett Kavanaugh should be able to say, that's not true.

00:06:31.000 Blackstone understood that an aggressor going after an innocent, that the innocent has a moral and biblical obligation to defend oneself.

00:06:46.000 And that's really what's on trial here, isn't it?

00:06:49.000 It's not just that Kyle Rittenhouse, according to the activist media, should not have been able to defend himself in the street.

00:06:56.000 It's not that just Kyle Rittenhouse should not be able to defend himself against Rosenbaum or whatever that freak isoid is.

00:07:03.000 No, no, no.

00:07:04.000 It's that Kyle Rittenhouse should not even be able to defend himself in court.

00:07:09.000 It's that Kyle Rittenhouse, because he looked like he was part of a militia and he had his hat backwards with a gun, he's got to sit down and shut up and accept the societal ancestral guilt punishment of being a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant male from northern Illinois who carried a gun.

00:07:25.000 You have to suffer the same way they wanted to make Kavanaugh suffer, the same way they wanted to make Nick Sandman suffer, the same way they wanted to make the McCloskey suffer.

00:07:33.000 Do you see any common theme between all of those?

00:07:35.000 Kavanaugh, Covington, Rittenhouse, and McCloskey.

00:07:39.000 In fact, Connor, we got to get a picture of all of them.

00:07:42.000 All of them are white Anglo-Saxon Protestant conservatives that embodied a narrative, an archetype that was helpful to the regime, but when it actually comes up against facts, Kavanaugh, Sandman, McCloskey, Rittenhouse, it falls apart.

00:08:03.000 Cut 41.

00:08:05.000 If Kenosha don't get it, shut it down.

00:08:08.000 We are already hearing chants outside of the courthouse.

00:08:10.000 Do we have Cut 41?

00:08:12.000 And we have explicit threats on social media that if Kyle Rittenhouse gets acquitted, they're going to burn Kenosha to the ground.

00:08:21.000 Play Cut 41.

00:08:23.000 If Kenosha don't get, shut it down.

00:08:26.000 If Kenosha don't get, cut it out.

00:08:30.000 If someone don't get cut it down. 0.98

00:08:34.000 We are going to burn Kenosha down if we don't get what we want.

00:08:40.000 The issue at hand for everybody watching across the country around this is: yes, of course, we care about Kyle and his family.

00:08:50.000 We also care about the future of the rule of law, don't we?

00:08:53.000 Are we going to now toss aside the rule of law for a narrative?

00:09:00.000 William Blackstone had another wonderful quote: Free men have arms, slaves do not. 0.93

00:09:09.000 It's a beautiful quote, isn't it?

00:09:11.000 That men who are free need to be able to have weapons that defend themselves.

00:09:16.000 You know, what's so incredible is when I go to some campuses, I ask people who William Blackstone is, almost no one knows.

00:09:23.000 I ask people who Ibram X. Kendi is, Robin DeAngela's, the hands go up everywhere.

00:09:28.000 There is far more wisdom into the actual framework that now Kyle Rittenhouse is able to lean upon.

00:09:38.000 Let's get to some more sound here.

00:09:40.000 Let's go to Cut Cut 45.

00:09:46.000 This was a flashback back during Floyd Palooza.

00:09:48.000 Elderly man with a fire extinguisher tries to ward off BLM writers and protesters, then they beat him unconscious and he begins bleeding from the head.

00:09:57.000 Cut 45, you might remember this, graphic warning.

00:10:00.000 These are the people the prosecution have called heroes.

00:10:04.000 Play Cut 45.

00:10:16.000 And these are the people that the other side is trying to tell us are heroes.

00:10:22.000 Now, the National Guard has now been deployed to Kenosha.

00:10:25.000 Why has the National Guard been deployed to Kenosha?

00:10:28.000 Well, it's because now Governor Evers of Wisconsin is trying to prevent rioting and looting from happening in Kenosha, despite the fact that if he would have deployed the National Guard to prevent rioting and looting from Kenosha, this whole Kyle Rittenhouse drama never would have unfolded.

00:10:47.000 Self-defense is justly called the primary law of nature.

00:10:51.000 So it is not, neither can it be in fact taken away from the laws of society.

00:10:56.000 Ronald Reagan, self-defense is not only our right, it is our duty.

00:11:02.000 And Gandhi, though violence is not lawful, when it is offered in self-defense or for the defense of the defenseless, it is an act of bravery, far better than cowardly submission, Gandhi said.

00:11:14.000 The latter befits neither man nor woman.

00:11:17.000 Under violence, there are many stages and varieties of bravery.

00:11:21.000 Every man must judge this for himself.

00:11:24.000 No other person can or has the right.

00:11:28.000 James Monroe, the fifth president of the United States.

00:11:34.000 The right of self-defense never ceases.

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00:13:46.000 Okay, a lot of people can say that they were ahead of the curve, but I'll tell you what, Jack Pasobic from Humanevents Daily, humanevents.com, in partnership with Turning PointUSA, TPUSA.com, was beyond the head of the curve.

00:14:00.000 He started the curve.

00:14:02.000 Jack Pesobic on his Twitter and his Telegram was saying, We are two weeks out from the Rittenhouse trial, one week out from the Rittenhouse trial.

00:14:11.000 He's been on top of it the entire time, and he joins us now.

00:14:13.000 Jack Pesobic is a good friend and a great American, and he is smart, and he's on top of the ball.

00:14:20.000 Jack, can you hear me?

00:14:21.000 Yeah, I can hear you just fine, Charlie.

00:14:22.000 And I appreciate you actually picking up on that.

00:14:24.000 I can tell, wow, it's like Charlie is actually following this because this was something that a lot of people have been sleeping on.

00:14:31.000 The fact that this case was coming up, it was getting closer.

00:14:34.000 It was getting closer.

00:14:34.000 Of course, news of the day is something that always is going to take precedence.

00:14:37.000 But I knew that this case would be a seminal moment in American politics and American culture here in the 21st century for a variety of reasons.

00:14:46.000 So thank you.

00:14:46.000 I appreciate you following the coverage like that.

00:14:48.000 Well, it is well earned and well-deserved.

00:14:52.000 You know, you're doing great work.

00:14:53.000 You hit home run after home run, and you've been on top of so many different things.

00:14:57.000 And if I could keep you the whole hour, I'm going to because I got a lot I want to ask you.

00:15:00.000 I want to ask you about banning it.

00:15:01.000 I want to ask you about all sorts of stuff.

00:15:03.000 Yeah, we actually can.

00:15:04.000 We're good time-wise.

00:15:04.000 I can do that.

00:15:05.000 All right.

00:15:05.000 So let's start with Kyle, though.

00:15:08.000 Just kind of recap yesterday for some people watching.

00:15:11.000 And then also where are we at right now?

00:15:12.000 Jury's deliberating.

00:15:14.000 What's the feel on the ground?

00:15:15.000 What's going on, Jack?

00:15:16.000 Quite literally, the jury is out, right?

00:15:19.000 The jury has gone out.

00:15:20.000 So we've got the composition has been reported by the Kenoshan News of the jury.

00:15:24.000 And keep in mind that we've been able to watch a lot of this trial based on the live stream.

00:15:27.000 But the one aspect that you couldn't see on any of these live streams was the jury.

00:15:32.000 Now, I had the ability to talk to a source who was in the room for the entire trial this past weekend, and he told me that it seemed as though the jury seemed to be, maybe not necessarily in Kyle's favor, but they seemed to have gotten a bad impression by the actions and the condescension and the tone from these prosecutors.

00:15:54.000 It really seemed like the prosecutors had turned it into a personal vendetta rather than a finding of truth or a finding of justice in the community.

00:16:02.000 It seemed like it had become very politicized, and it seemed as though the jury was not interested in that, that it kind of turned them off.

00:16:09.000 I hate, I can't stand this.

00:16:12.000 It should be illegal.

00:16:13.000 I don't know if it should be illegal.

00:16:14.000 It should just be, I guess it should be illegal.

00:16:16.000 I don't care about the color of the skin of people's jurors.

00:16:18.000 I think it's disgusting to actually try to stereotype it. 0.51

00:16:21.000 It's super racist, actually.

00:16:22.000 You have Joy Reid, you know, going on like, oh, I don't know if it's going to be a fair hearing because people don't look like me on the trial.

00:16:28.000 They're doing the same thing with Ahmaud Arbery.

00:16:30.000 But what is the composition?

00:16:31.000 What do we know about this jury, Jack?

00:16:34.000 So we know, we know at least for now, and this is what I was getting to with Kenosha News, they've reported seven women, five men.

00:16:41.000 One of the men is a person of color.

00:16:44.000 Okay.

00:16:44.000 So that tells us absolutely nothing, right?

00:16:47.000 And so, except the fact if you think you can predict people's inclinations based on the color of their skin.

00:16:54.000 So all it takes, though, is one, is that right, Jack?

00:16:57.000 That in order for him to be acquitted, all it takes is for one person to say that it's basically that he's not guilty.

00:17:07.000 Or would that result in a hung jury, right?

00:17:09.000 So they.

00:17:10.000 No, no, no.

00:17:11.000 So you're going to need full compliance from everybody, whether for guilt or for acquittal.

00:17:20.000 What you're talking about is the idea of a hung jury situation.

00:17:24.000 And in the Kyle Rittenhouse case, there is a very real danger of what's called a rogue juror or a stealth juror.

00:17:33.000 I think in this case, we might call it an activist juror.

00:17:36.000 If you've got someone on there who's super anti-Second Amendment, if you've got someone on there who's just completely like, I'm pro-BLM and pro-Antifa, and this guy has got a fry because he's not on my political team, then they will sit there and cross their arms and say, I ain't voting.

00:17:52.000 I don't care what those videos show.

00:17:54.000 I don't care what the evidence shows.

00:17:56.000 I'm not voting and you can't do it.

00:17:57.000 And that means that you would essentially have a mistrial situation and he would be potentially open for another trial.

00:18:04.000 The entire process could start over.

00:18:06.000 Yeah, and that would be bad, but that wouldn't be the worst situation, right?

00:18:10.000 The worst would be a guilty verdict, which I don't think is in the cards.

00:18:13.000 I don't.

00:18:14.000 I don't see it.

00:18:16.000 And I don't see all 12 people agreeing to that.

00:18:19.000 Would you think that's probably right?

00:18:21.000 Yeah, I think you could certainly find maybe a few people who would just have that belief that, you know, if he used it, we had one juror during selection saying, oh, if he used an AR-15, everything must be guilty because the AR-15 should be illegal, right?

00:18:32.000 You can find people who will say things like that, but I don't think you're going to find a group of people in the city of Kenosha that's going to say unequivocally that he's guilty.

00:18:39.000 Yeah, I think that there's a big concern, though, and a fear that there might be an obstinate, politically motivated juror.

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00:20:31.000 Jack, so I got to ask you, so right now, the jury is deliberating and the judge has ordered the Rittenhouse family to be 10 minutes away in case of a verdict.

00:20:42.000 Is that right?

00:20:42.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:20:43.000 He's asking people to be close.

00:20:44.000 And Kenosha's on, they're on pins and needles.

00:20:47.000 There's a lot of tension in town right now.

00:20:49.000 I've been talking to people who are on the ground.

00:20:52.000 The National Guard has been called up, but Tony Evers, the governor of Wisconsin, the same governor who elected Kenosha Byrne last year, the National Guard was called up with Charlie.

00:21:01.000 They're an hour and a half out of the city.

00:21:04.000 They're 60 miles away.

00:21:07.000 And so just like on that night, the three nights, by the way, that Kenosha was terrorized last year.

00:21:13.000 And I saw David French, and he and I have been going back and forth today on Twitter.

00:21:16.000 And he had an article up about saying that, you know, Kyle Rittenhouse is no hero and you shouldn't lionize Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:21:23.000 And I agree with that, that we shouldn't have to have 17-year-old kids take matters into their own hands.

00:21:29.000 We should have a government that is protecting us, that is calling in soldiers who are trained and fully operated to be able to do this.

00:21:37.000 We shouldn't allow mobs of rioters to come up from Chicago and burn down our cities.

00:21:42.000 That's who I'm upset with.

00:21:44.000 I'm not upset with people who tried to make the best of a very terrible situation that never should have happened in the first place.

00:21:50.000 But I guess for David French, you know, that's just not enough because he doesn't care very much about the Second Amendment or an inherent right to defend yourself.

00:21:56.000 Well, and it's also completely irrelevant.

00:21:59.000 And so it's irrelevant to say that in a criminal proceeding, whether or not you think Kyle should have been there.

00:22:07.000 The fact is he was there.

00:22:09.000 None of his intent shows that he was there to actually hurt people.

00:22:12.000 He was there to try to administer medical aid.

00:22:14.000 I mean, you could say that about any situation, right?

00:22:16.000 Well, we wouldn't be here if he hadn't been there.

00:22:18.000 Yeah, of course, obviously.

00:22:19.000 And what's your point?

00:22:20.000 I get attacked, which I don't care, by saying, well, yeah, if George Floyd wasn't trading counterfeit currency, he wouldn't have been arrested.

00:22:26.000 Counterfeit currency most likely from China, by the way.

00:22:29.000 Yeah, and also if he wasn't, you know, maybe overdosing on drugs.

00:22:32.000 These are all maybes.

00:22:34.000 We're not allowed to talk about that, right, Jack?

00:22:36.000 Instead, we have to be more...

00:22:38.000 Well, remember, we can include the context when it's somebody who's not on our team, but when someone who is on our team, we have to paint them in the most possible, you know, positive light possible.

00:22:49.000 And that's the biggest interest.

00:22:50.000 For example, by the way, the defense was not allowed to bring in these questions about the criminal, the disgusting and depraved criminal history of Joseph Rosenbaum because, and you have to look at it from the sense of this, even though this guy was convicted of child rape, right?

00:23:07.000 That did not play a role in the circumstances because he was there that night.

00:23:12.000 He wasn't there that night doing that.

00:23:14.000 So it actually, like, I understand that from a jury situation because we are affording people the full benefit of law.

00:23:19.000 That is our system.

00:23:21.000 That goes back, you know, the famous quotation from Thomas More about affording the devil the full merit of law, right?

00:23:27.000 You want it for yourself.

00:23:29.000 You don't want past actions and irrelevant situations and relevant facts to have to deal with any situation.

00:23:35.000 But one interesting thing that Kyle Rittenhouse does have in his favor, a name that I think the mainstream media has just started to figure out, but it's the name of Joe Ellen Demetrius.

00:23:45.000 And the Washington Post just did a piece on her today, but they haven't realized exactly who this is and why she's so important.

00:23:50.000 She was the person who was the jury consultant for Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:23:55.000 What's she done in the past? 0.99

00:23:56.000 She was the jury consultant for O.J. Simpson, as well as Rodney King and a bevy of other very high-profile cases.

00:24:04.000 She wrote an entire book about being able to read people, being able to read jurors, and she has been a consultant both to Kyle and to his family and to the defense team all the way through this case.

00:24:16.000 She has been watching those jurors.

00:24:17.000 So they really do have an ace up their sleeve in terms of her doing this and being a part of it.

00:24:23.000 Look, I think the prosecution didn't do a great job in terms of their closing.

00:24:27.000 I don't know if the defense, there are things that I would have done differently on the defense.

00:24:30.000 Of course, I'm not there, but I do wish that they had told the story a little bit better.

00:24:35.000 I think they would have, if they had just stuck to that narrative, to understanding that had Kyle not been armed that night to be able to defend himself, he took steps to save his own life from a murderous mob that would have killed him, period.

00:24:52.000 His actions were taken in self-defense, period.

00:24:55.000 He would not be here today because he wouldn't be alive if that mob had been able to do what they wanted to do to him.

00:25:02.000 And so I was looking for those sort of definitive, declarative statements that paint the description, talking about the town being terrorized for three nights prior to that, understanding the context that he was in.

00:25:11.000 Because when you look at a self-defense situation, you look at the way the law is written, it is done from the perspective of the person who is committing the acts, right?

00:25:22.000 So he knows that a shot's gone off.

00:25:23.000 He knows a mob's coming after him.

00:25:25.000 He knows he's running for his life from his perspective.

00:25:28.000 From his perspective, a reasonable person can look at that and say he would most likely have been killed if he did not take taps, not just to defend himself, but to save his own life.

00:25:39.000 And that's a key phrase here because that's exactly what he did.

00:25:43.000 If he did not take those steps, and we've seen again and again throughout the summer of 2020, people were beaten, people were maimed, and people were killed in the riots of 2020.

00:25:53.000 And if we didn't know about this, Kyle Rittenhouse, unfortunately, would have been another statistic.

00:25:59.000 And what we're getting a lot, a lot of people are emailing us, freedom at charliekirk.com, and they're saying, Charlie, how did this even get to trial?

00:26:06.000 And so I guess my question is, Jack, did they submit more charges?

00:26:10.000 It's not just first-degree murder now, it's second-degree.

00:26:13.000 How can they do that mid-trial?

00:26:15.000 Can you help explain that to me and to our audience?

00:26:17.000 It doesn't really make a lot of sense.

00:26:18.000 Well, the reason that this is on trial in the first place is because of politics.

00:26:21.000 You know, typically in a self-defense situation, you don't have all of this video evidence.

00:26:27.000 You don't have the brave, intrepid citizen journalists like Drew Hernandez, Richie McGuinness, the whole team from Daily Caller, Jorge Ventura, Shelby Talcott.

00:26:36.000 You know, the names go on and on.

00:26:38.000 The Blaze had people there as well.

00:26:40.000 And really, Julio Rosas, and normally it's a situation like it's a back alley.

00:26:46.000 There was a mugger.

00:26:47.000 You know, he asked for my wallet and I pull out a gun.

00:26:50.000 I defend it, right?

00:26:51.000 So it's sort of a he said, you know, and then the other person isn't there to be able to testify.

00:26:56.000 So you don't have this video.

00:26:58.000 The fact that we do have the video of Kyle clearly taking steps, he's not indiscriminately firing.

00:27:03.000 He's not just opening up fire on a crowd like the way that Joe Scarborough wants us to think, firing 60 rounds.

00:27:08.000 He didn't even have 60 rounds.

00:27:09.000 He had 30.

00:27:10.000 And by the way, no, he wasn't firing indiscriminately because there were 22 rounds still left in his magazine at the end of that night because he was not firing indiscriminately.

00:27:23.000 He wasn't hunting.

00:27:24.000 He wasn't trying to kill people.

00:27:25.000 He was trying to save his own life.

00:27:27.000 That's number one why he's on trial is politics.

00:27:29.000 It's all politics about finding a scapegoat for the burning of Kenosha.

00:27:34.000 The mayor, the governor know that they failed, and so they're trying to make this all about Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:27:39.000 Who brought violence?

00:27:40.000 He did, not the mob, not the people who were on our side.

00:27:43.000 Well, no, they were just protesting for justice.

00:27:45.000 They were just activists.

00:27:46.000 They just, you know, they may have got a little at hand, but that's just activism.

00:27:48.000 No.

00:27:49.000 Political violence cannot be.

00:27:52.000 It cannot be suborned, number one, and it certainly can't be justified.

00:27:56.000 That's why I held a rally in front of the White House all the way back in summer, June 2017, talking about this.

00:28:03.000 I went and protested.

00:28:04.000 I interrupted one of the performances of Shakespeare in the Park when they were stabbing this actor dressed up like Trump every single night.

00:28:11.000 Well, I went and disrupted it and said, you need to stop doing this.

00:28:14.000 And I made some colorful comments to the people who were there, and that went pretty viral.

00:28:19.000 But the idea was we cannot normalize political violence in the United States.

00:28:23.000 Look, I had family that was behind the Eastern Curtain, that lived on the Eastern Front.

00:28:28.000 You don't want to go to one of those places.

00:28:30.000 It's as simple as that.

00:28:32.000 So tell the truth and don't lie about what happened because, oh, well, that was my team, so I got to cover for them.

00:28:39.000 So, Jack, so explain the charges, though.

00:28:42.000 Is he for first degree, second degree, because they changed the charges?

00:28:46.000 Can you talk?

00:28:47.000 It's first degree, it's second degree, it's reckless endangerment, endangerment of the community.

00:28:52.000 They're talking about reckless involuntary manslaughter.

00:28:55.000 What's going on that we saw last Friday in the instruction conference?

00:28:58.000 Now, the jury was out of the room for this.

00:29:00.000 These prosecutors, you've got D.A. Binger, who is a man without testosterone, and they've got this guy, D.A. Krauss, who I call Lunchbox.

00:29:10.000 I call him Lunchbox.

00:29:12.000 And I think we all know why he's a Lunchbox.

00:29:14.000 That these guys were tacking on every single lesser included charge they possibly could find because they are not confident in their own charges.

00:29:25.000 And then we saw the judge, by the way, yesterday threw out the gun charge because it didn't apply in this case.

00:29:33.000 They knew that from the start.

00:29:34.000 They threw it on there maliciously to try to paint this entire trial as if, you know, it's coming from this, this media narrative has always been, well, he crossed state lines with an AR-15.

00:29:45.000 Well, number one, he didn't cross state lines with AR-15 because, or that he shouldn't have had before, he wasn't allowed to have.

00:29:51.000 He didn't cross state lines with AR-15, and he was allowed to have an AR-15 under Wisconsin law as a 17-year-old because it was not a short barrel rifle.

00:29:58.000 That law was about short barrel rifles.

00:30:00.000 These prosecutors knew it.

00:30:01.000 They're not confident.

00:30:02.000 The judge threw it out, and they're tacking on all this extra stuff to try to think, well, if the jury's not going to give him for murder, maybe we can hang him up on one of these other things as a way of finding some way to split the baby on this.

00:30:16.000 And so I guess I don't understand it as well enough because it would be different arguments for every single charge, wouldn't it?

00:30:16.000 Yeah.

00:30:22.000 And that's where the defense needs to, they should be given an opportunity because first degree, you have to have an intent standard.

00:30:28.000 Manslaughter is separate, right?

00:30:30.000 And so I guess they went through that in closing arguments, did they?

00:30:35.000 Well, so it's considered, it actually is.

00:30:38.000 And I've got to give a huge shout out to Attorney Andrew Branca.

00:30:41.000 If you can get him on, he will explain this way better than I can.

00:30:44.000 He does law, self-defense blog.

00:30:46.000 And the way he described it is it is an imperfect self-defense situation where what it means is you were allowed to use self-defense, but essentially you took things into the level, escalated to the point where it was deadly and you didn't need to, right?

00:31:03.000 So it's kind of this gray area where even if you're defending yourself, you become excessive in your defense of yourself, you know, didn't need to kill that person.

00:31:11.000 They ended up dying.

00:31:13.000 You know, I think obviously if you look at the facts of this just from a plain reading of the evidence, it certainly shows that he took appropriate steps to defend himself and that any reasonable person would be able to do this.

00:31:23.000 But it is this sort of legal gray area of, say, of trying to, again, find a middle ground of saying, all right, we can see that he had self-defense, but not that much self-defense.

00:31:35.000 And so that's going to kind of be down to the jury to kind of.

00:31:35.000 Right.

00:31:40.000 Because keep in mind, right?

00:31:41.000 Keep in mind, and this is just the reading of it, Charlie, is so the prosecutors kept making Lunchbox said this over and over.

00:31:47.000 Why didn't he just fight him?

00:31:48.000 Why didn't he just use his fists?

00:31:50.000 Why didn't he just take the beating?

00:31:51.000 Well, it's simple because Rosenbaum was not simply fighting with his fists.

00:31:56.000 He was going for the gun.

00:31:58.000 And in so going for the gun, he was not unarmed.

00:32:02.000 He was in the process of arming himself.

00:32:05.000 And at the same time, simultaneously in the process of disarming Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:32:12.000 That's starting to make more sense.

00:32:14.000 Again, I know enough to be dangerous about this stuff.

00:32:17.000 I don't ever tell my audience.

00:32:19.000 Again, Andrew Branca, this guy is just incredible.

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00:32:23.000 I'm going to get him on to ask questions about that.

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00:33:26.000 So, Jack, from what I understand, the judge gave very clear instructions that if he's innocent or not guilty on the main charge, the other lesser charges might not stand.

00:33:35.000 Is that right?

00:33:36.000 Well, not necessarily.

00:33:37.000 It's if he acted in self-defense.

00:33:40.000 So if you find that he acted in self-defense on each of the various incidents here, it's really four incidents, believe it or not, because interestingly enough, the prosecutors have named Daily Caller reporter Richie McGinnis as one of the potential victims of Kyle Rittenhouse because of reckless endangerment.

00:34:00.000 Why is that?

00:34:01.000 Because, and it's actually, it's quite silly when you look at it, but of course, this is what they're doing. 0.95

00:34:05.000 The entire case is quite silly.

00:34:06.000 That McGinnis was standing behind Rosenbaum, basically in the line of fire, to look at it that way, while Kyle was defending himself against Rosenbaum.

00:34:16.000 So there is the potential that he could have endangered Richie McGinnis, even though Richie McGinnis, of course, went in and testified, and the clip went viral.

00:34:26.000 Basically, even though he was called in by the prosecutors, he testified really on behalf of Kyle.

00:34:32.000 And his testimony completely went towards Kyle's defense that, yes, that the assailant was or the aggressor was Rosenbaum going for the gun 100% here.

00:34:41.000 So it's just wild to me.

00:34:44.000 And I know Richie, he's a friend of mine.

00:34:45.000 We were in Chad's together out in Seattle.

00:34:47.000 He was there that day when Wayne Antifa got in my face out at the Lincoln Park statue down the street here.

00:34:52.000 And we got that kind of picture of me with facing off with the guy.

00:34:56.000 Richie was like maybe 10 feet away when that happened and that all went down.

00:35:00.000 So it's incredible to me to see that not only is one of the charges concerning Richie, but Richie's there testifying really on behalf of Kyle.

00:35:09.000 Yeah, and yet they're trying to.

00:35:15.000 So you mentioned this tape.

00:35:16.000 I want to play this tape here of the brilliant Joe Scarborough mocking Kyle Rittenhouse for having an AR-15 and for shooting 60 rounds or whatever.

00:35:25.000 Let's play cut 46.

00:35:27.000 Here we have a 17-year-old kid underage, said he bought an AR-15 because he thought it was cool.

00:35:34.000 He drove across state, had his mother drive him across state lines.

00:35:37.000 He appointed himself a militia member.

00:35:40.000 He goes around and he ends up unloading, what, 60 rounds?

00:35:44.000 So is any of that true, Jack?

00:35:46.000 I mean, I assume that he ride, you know, his mom drives him sometimes every once in a while.

00:35:52.000 Other than that, no, he was not.

00:35:54.000 He did not have the AR-15 across state lines.

00:35:57.000 The judge, of course, dropped the weapons charge.

00:35:59.000 So that's a complete lie.

00:36:00.000 But the bigger lie is that he fired 60 rounds.

00:36:03.000 I don't even think he had 60 rounds on him that entire night.

00:36:05.000 Again, he brought that weapon there for positive defense of himself if something came out.

00:36:11.000 And by the way, when Kyle was going around that night, he was offering medical aid to people regardless of where they were from, regardless of quote unquote, what side they were on and anything.

00:36:21.000 He wasn't asking people if they were on the left or the right or BLM, Republicans, any of that.

00:36:26.000 Yeah, who'd you vote for?

00:36:27.000 No, none of that.

00:36:28.000 He was there trying to render aid.

00:36:30.000 By the way, breaking news, not necessarily from the trial, but the other assailant, the man that Kyle shot at, who's only been referred to thus far as Jump Kick Man.

00:36:41.000 This is the photo that came out that you can see a gentleman, you know, a guy who's just leaping through the air, kicking Kyle in the head while he's already on the ground.

00:36:51.000 Not only is he, was he not identified, he was not charged, he has now been identified by Dan O'Donnell in Wisconsin as they have targeted the guy.

00:37:02.000 Apparently, they found out, they haven't released his name yet, but they did identify who it was and they found that he did reach out to the prosecutors and offer to testify in exchange for immunity for a DUI that he's facing against with Kenosha.

00:37:18.000 But instead, just like Zaminski, the Zaminski's, Joshua Zaminski, who fired the first shot at Kyle Rittenhouse, the prosecutors did not call this person to the stand.

00:37:30.000 They didn't ask him to come out.

00:37:31.000 They didn't want the jury to see why it was that he leapt at Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:37:36.000 In fact, none of the people who were involved in any of this, with the exception of Gage Grosskrutz, who is essentially a 1B Antifa member, was able to testify.

00:37:44.000 And you saw how ridiculous and like he was the best one they could find to testify against Kyle.

00:37:51.000 In 10 seconds, do we expect a jury decision today?

00:37:55.000 Well, I think we get a decision today.

00:37:56.000 It would be a full acquittal.

00:37:57.000 But I could certainly see the jury holding off and saying that they want to go a couple of days because, again, they tacked on all of these extra charges and there's a lot to go through.

00:38:06.000 Another good David French tweet to comment on.

00:38:13.000 He said, I just got my Pfizer booster, and this was so far was the only side effect.

00:38:19.000 And he posted a picture of Aquaman with his, I guess, his super trident powers and said that that has turned him into some kind of super.

00:38:29.000 I mean, I don't understand what kind of person, a grown man bases his life around movies made for children and then runs around bragging about all the vaccines he's taking.

00:38:38.000 Like, like, that's like, congratulations.

00:38:40.000 You went into a CVS and got a shot, dude.

00:38:42.000 Like, anyone can do that.

00:38:43.000 Yeah, but I guess it's superpower.

00:38:45.000 I want to play a couple, a little bit more sound of Kyle, then I want to get into Bannon.

00:38:49.000 And we have, I know you have a stop and I have a stop here, but I wanted to just kind of get into this.

00:38:53.000 Okay.

00:38:54.000 So what on earth was this prosecutor doing?

00:38:58.000 We're going to play Cut 29.

00:38:59.000 He's like waving the gun at the jury.

00:39:01.000 I've never seen anything like this.

00:39:02.000 Play Cut 29.

00:39:04.000 What we see in the video.

00:39:06.000 Him putting the fire extinguisher on the ground and then raising the gun.

00:39:11.000 John Robin, Jeff, he's facing the wrong direction.

00:39:14.000 What was that, Jack?

00:39:16.000 So what you're seeing there is someone who has never handled a firearm in his life, certainly not an AR-15, doesn't know anything about gun safety, doesn't even know the basic mechanics of how you're supposed to hold a gun.

00:39:28.000 If you look at from the other angle, his finger is positively on the trigger, even though he's pointing it at other human beings that he does not intend to pull the trigger.

00:39:38.000 This guy is a joke.

00:39:39.000 Like, this is what you have to do when you have none of the evidence on your side, when you have none of the facts on your side.

00:39:46.000 He was going for a shock moment.

00:39:48.000 He wanted to shock the jury into seeing what it would feel like to have an AR-15 pointed at them.

00:39:55.000 But you have to wonder if that was a double-edged sword because in the situation of Joseph Rosenbaum, he had an AR-15 pointed at him and he continued chasing that person.

00:40:06.000 He did not stop. 0.99

00:40:07.000 He decided that he wanted to keep going to kill them. 0.99

00:40:10.000 Yeah, and I never understood.

00:40:12.000 Obviously, we don't know what these people were thinking.

00:40:14.000 I mean, when someone's fully armed in the AR-15, why are they harassing him and attacking him?

00:40:18.000 Did they think he wasn't going to use it?

00:40:20.000 Or were they emboldened by the mob narrative that, ah, no matter what, we're going to be okay?

00:40:28.000 I cannot.

00:40:29.000 I mean, Charlie, at the end of the day, it's mob mentality, right?

00:40:31.000 You've got people that are out there already smashing, looting, burning.

00:40:35.000 When he went up, Joshua Zaminsky was pouring accelerant and lighter fluid into one of those cars at the car source, and they were lighting it on fire.

00:40:44.000 His wife was another person.

00:40:46.000 They've actually both been charged with arson for that.

00:40:49.000 Though we'll see if that case actually goes through, because for some reason, it seems like the prosecutor is really only keeping out of books on that one on the books that they don't come and testify.

00:40:59.000 And so they're in a mob state.

00:41:01.000 They've essentially turned off their sort of prefrontal cortexes and said, you know, we are just going to revert back to this primal state of destruction, destroying.

00:41:10.000 And they see a guy who's coming up with a fire extinguisher who's, you know, not on our team, who's part of the other group.

00:41:17.000 He's not of our tribe.

00:41:18.000 And then so they, you know, they revert to, you know, destroy the outsider, kill the outsider. 0.97

00:41:23.000 Play cut 25 here.

00:41:25.000 I was shocked when I heard this.

00:41:26.000 The prosecutor says you lose your right to self-defense when you're the one who brings the gun.

00:41:32.000 Play cut 25.

00:41:34.000 You can't claim self-defense against an unarmed man like this.

00:41:41.000 You lose the right to self-defense when you're the one who brought the gun, when you're the one creating the danger, when you're the one provoking other people.

00:41:50.000 Jack?

00:41:51.000 You know, go talk to anybody who's got a concealed carry permit like myself or anyone who's in an open gun state, open carry state.

00:42:00.000 You obviously, no, if you're exercising your Second Amendment right, no, you are not aggressing anyone and you certainly do not lose your right to self-defense.

00:42:10.000 That is an inherent right.

00:42:11.000 Charlie, I think the last time we were on here, we talked about this, that you do not have rights if you also do not have the right to defend them, right?

00:42:19.000 It's as simple as that.

00:42:20.000 If you don't have the, you know, it's one thing for me to, okay, if I have the Second Amendment, but I've got a bunch of guns, you know, in a safe in my house.

00:42:26.000 This was the DC gun law.

00:42:28.000 This was Heller, right?

00:42:29.000 This was the Heller case that to keep and bear arms means that you can use them to defend your life and defend your home.

00:42:36.000 That's the point because DC gun laws effectively prevented anyone from being able to do that.

00:42:41.000 This is case, this Supreme Court law, right?

00:42:43.000 The law of the land, right?

00:42:44.000 The law of the land here in the United States.

00:42:46.000 And yet Binger just decides to throw that out the window because it doesn't fit in.

00:42:50.000 But are they going in a direction where they want to say that, okay, we can't get rid of your guns, but we're going to get rid of your ability and your freedom and the right to use the guns.

00:43:00.000 Right.

00:43:00.000 And this was the D.C. gun law, right?

00:43:02.000 So the D.C. gun law stated that you could have your gun, sure, because the Second Amendment, but it had to be locked up and the ammo had to be locked up.

00:43:09.000 And each one, each piece of it had to have an individual gun lock and the ammo had to be locked.

00:43:14.000 And so there was no effective way for you to ever be able to use it if you were in an emergency or crisis situation.

00:43:19.000 And that's what, you know, I'm paraphrasing a lot here, but that's the summary of what Heller found or what the court found in the Heller decision.

00:43:25.000 And so what Binger is saying, he's taking it to the next level and saying that you are losing.

00:43:30.000 It's a full mask off moment for the regime.

00:43:30.000 It's really what it is.

00:43:34.000 They're telling you, well, we're not going to take your guns, but we're going to tell you that you're not allowed to use them, right?

00:43:39.000 So it's in the same way that people like Binger and David French will sit and watch movies on TV of men doing manly things, that you won't actually be allowed to do any of that in the real world.

00:43:52.000 Just also, this ties into McCloskey and Kavanaugh and Covington.

00:43:57.000 You know, the McCluskeys are actually there today.

00:43:59.000 We actually have a tape of that.

00:44:01.000 So let's play Cut 48, Mark McCluskeys and Kenosha to support Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:44:01.000 Let's play that.

00:44:06.000 Play Cut 48.

00:44:07.000 Jose Lewis.

00:44:08.000 And that's why we show that there is a right to defend yourself.

00:44:08.000 That's right.

00:44:12.000 There is truth.

00:44:13.000 There is reality.

00:44:14.000 And despite what the mainstream media says, and despite what the president of the United States may say, the jury in this trial heard the facts.

00:44:22.000 And we're hoping that they find Kyle Rittenhouse innocent on all accounts.

00:44:27.000 And not guilty on all accounts.

00:44:28.000 What do all those people have in common?

00:44:30.000 Nicholas Sandman, Brett Kavanaugh, McCloskey, Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:44:35.000 Seems like there's a theme.

00:44:37.000 These are all people who stood up to the mob.

00:44:42.000 They said, we are American citizens.

00:44:44.000 We have rights.

00:44:45.000 With Nick Salmon, he's literally standing on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, right?

00:44:52.000 Standing in the nation's capital, and he's attacked by the mob.

00:44:56.000 The McCluskeys, their home was attacked by the mob.

00:44:58.000 Kyle Rittenhouse was attacked by a mob.

00:45:00.000 And you could go to Andy No's Twitter feed or my Twitter feed, Elijah Schaefer, and see all the other instances where people were attacked by mobs in 2020 and they weren't able to defend themselves.

00:45:11.000 And you can see the results of those mob attacks.

00:45:13.000 And it's horrific.

00:45:14.000 So I want to shift gears for just a second here as we have you, Jack.

00:45:17.000 What's going on with Bannon?

00:45:19.000 Bannon was indicted last Friday.

00:45:22.000 He was.

00:45:22.000 He surrendered to the FBI yesterday.

00:45:25.000 You were on his show.

00:45:27.000 What's going on with Steve Bannon?

00:45:29.000 I mean, this is Honey Badger Unleashed.

00:45:31.000 He came out there and he said, Joe Biden, you picked the wrong target.

00:45:36.000 He said, I know that Joe Biden stepped off Marine One and gave the order to Merrick Garland to order the prosecution.

00:45:42.000 So how does he know that?

00:45:43.000 I heard that.

00:45:44.000 I'm going to just ask, how does he know that?

00:45:46.000 I'm interested to hear because he didn't get that from me.

00:45:49.000 I had a little bit of reporting on where it was coming from, but I do know that Joe Biden signed off on it.

00:45:53.000 And I do know that Merrick Garland's.

00:45:55.000 Well, how do you know that?

00:45:56.000 I know that from a White House official.

00:45:58.000 Well, okay.

00:45:59.000 Okay.

00:45:59.000 I trust your sources.

00:46:00.000 So if you, I was saying, I'm not going to say I don't trust Bannon's family.

00:46:02.000 They certainly just try.

00:46:03.000 They certainly did take it, of course, to Garland and to Biden.

00:46:06.000 And they said that.

00:46:07.000 So hold on a second.

00:46:09.000 I just want to make sure I'm understanding.

00:46:10.000 So the President of the United States is now determining Attorney General policy?

00:46:14.000 Is that your accusation?

00:46:15.000 Well, that's exactly what I'm hearing.

00:46:17.000 That they took it to him.

00:46:17.000 Yes.

00:46:19.000 The rest of the story that I heard was that because Biden was, I think as everybody knows, he clearly wasn't feeling very well on his European trip.

00:46:27.000 It took a lot out of him.

00:46:28.000 There's lots of reports and even public statements from world leaders about his health issues on that trip.

00:46:35.000 So when he came back, he was already about 50%.

00:46:38.000 And so I think that people, the staff.

00:46:41.000 And his 100% is not exactly stellar.

00:46:45.000 Precisely.

00:46:46.000 And his 50% is like anybody else's 5%. 0.93

00:46:49.000 And so they kind of knew that Biden, you know, if you need something from Biden, this is the time to push.

00:46:55.000 And so the staff really went to him sort of at that low point and just pushed and said, we're going to do this.

00:47:00.000 We're going to do this.

00:47:01.000 And now we see the results of it.

00:47:03.000 Yeah, but Jack, a president dictating Attorney General policy, even the inference of that is impeachable.

00:47:12.000 I mean, that's so that's very, very unusual and some would say illegal, right?

00:47:19.000 The Attorney General, you're allowed.

00:47:20.000 Well, I think, I think, I mean, count one will certainly be Afghanistan for Joe Biden, but I think there's numerous counts that'll probably hopefully come up in 2023 when the new Congress is.

00:47:30.000 So, okay, let's walk through this.

00:47:31.000 Okay, so then Steve Bannon says that it was Maureen One and like he does the salute or whatever.

00:47:38.000 He's like, all right, indict him.

00:47:39.000 Centrally, that was kind of like the way.

00:47:43.000 I mean, it's a great image.

00:47:45.000 That's not exactly the story of how I heard it went down, but it definitely got tattooed on there.

00:47:50.000 Okay, so Bannon gets indicted on Friday.

00:47:54.000 So let me just ask the obvious question: why go through this?

00:47:57.000 Why not just comply with Congress?

00:48:00.000 What is the thought process here?

00:48:02.000 Well, so what's interesting, if you listen to Bannon's lawyer or read any of his legal responses, and I've read them all, I read them in real time as they came out, that Bannon never said that he wouldn't testify or that he wouldn't provide documents.

00:48:14.000 It was a documentary subpoena that came out.

00:48:17.000 But what he said was, look, there's an executive privilege question here because you're asking me for statements that I was told by the sitting president of the United States, President Trump, when he was still in office.

00:48:29.000 I can't tell you those because he's exerting executive privilege over all of his statements that took place during that time.

00:48:37.000 And so he is obviously suing the committee.

00:48:39.000 This is going to go to the Supreme Court.

00:48:41.000 And what his lawyer said was, we are waiting for the decision on the executive privilege question before we can respond to the subpoena because you're asking me for statements that were made by the sitting president of the United States.

00:48:54.000 So he actually does have quite a strong legal case when it comes to that.

00:48:58.000 And this is not the sort of thing that you usually see ever prosecuted here in Washington.

00:49:03.000 Yeah, contempt of Congress is really hard to challenge.

00:49:08.000 I suppose, though, that why not even just go through the motions, right?

00:49:13.000 I mean, or why not like engage with the committee?

00:49:15.000 And, you know, well, it's interesting because there are ways to fight a subpoena.

00:49:19.000 I mean, you can counter-sue.

00:49:20.000 You can do all sorts of things.

00:49:22.000 You can take it to the court.

00:49:23.000 He didn't attempt any of those things.

00:49:24.000 He certainly didn't attempt to counter-sue.

00:49:27.000 He didn't attempt to stall.

00:49:28.000 He didn't attempt any of that stuff.

00:49:29.000 He made a legal argument back and said, I'm waiting for the court's decision.

00:49:34.000 Once the decision comes out, we'll be able to tailor our response to you based on their decision.

00:49:39.000 It's actually a pretty strong and straightforward legal argument.

00:49:42.000 I've had some people reach out and not even, you know, like Republican types reach out and say, you know, I don't know if this passes the bar for motion of dismissal if this goes to trial, because when you're looking at it on the merits, it doesn't quite seem like they've provided actual evidence of contempt.

00:49:59.000 Yeah, and that's the question.

00:50:00.000 That's one of the questions.

00:50:01.000 So he, Bannon, yesterday.

00:50:04.000 But we all know why it's happening.

00:50:05.000 I hope everybody kind of gets it.

00:50:07.000 Explain that.

00:50:09.000 Right.

00:50:09.000 So, I mean, this is happening because it's sending a message, right?

00:50:12.000 This is a message to the rest of the country, to the other members of the president's administration that are on that list.

00:50:18.000 And it's quite an extensive list of people who have subpoenas out.

00:50:22.000 McCarthy's on the list.

00:50:25.000 Basically, Annie Kash Patel, anybody who was in the White House, Johnny McEntee, people who are in and around during those last days of the Trump administration are all going to be called forward on this.

00:50:36.000 And so basically, the message is being sent.

00:50:37.000 Even some members of Congress, right?

00:50:39.000 Lauren Boebert, they're talking about Marjorie Taylor Green, Matt Gates, people who are, again, sitting members of their own body, right?

00:50:48.000 January 6th Commission is part of the House of Representatives.

00:50:51.000 And so the real question becomes, you know, how far are the courts going to allow them to go on this?

00:50:56.000 Because again, they're not a law enforcement body that's allowed to conduct investigation, criminal investigations like this.

00:51:02.000 They are supposed to be a legislative body, you know, go all the way back to Schoolhouse Rock.

00:51:07.000 So why is this happening?

00:51:08.000 Number one, you're sending a message.

00:51:10.000 Number two, it's just a naked power grab. 0.99

00:51:12.000 This is, we're done with persuasion.

00:51:14.000 We're done with sort of the ephemeral, illusory, you know, persuasion.

00:51:20.000 This is just naked power.

00:51:21.000 You will comply with the regime.

00:51:23.000 You will comply with orders.

00:51:25.000 We are not asking.

00:51:26.000 We are telling.

00:51:27.000 So Bannon then said yesterday that we're going to go after the Biden regime.

00:51:33.000 We're going on offense.

00:51:34.000 This is a misdemeanor from hell.

00:51:35.000 What does he mean by all that?

00:51:36.000 Well, what's interesting to me is that, you know, a guy like Steve Bannon, he wants the platform, right?

00:51:41.000 He wants the ability to be before the American people and present what he views as evidence from last year, January, or excuse me, November 3rd, right?

00:51:52.000 That's what this whole thing was about, that he wanted to talk about his argument for irregularities on 3 November.

00:51:59.000 That was the whole point of calling for a debate on January 6th.

00:52:03.000 And they go through that podcast and they, I say, play the episodes, and Media Matters has this thing out now, where they go through and some of the episodes I'm on and some of the others from War Room from the days prior to January 6th.

00:52:14.000 And they always cut it right before we say, oh, it's going to be historic.

00:52:17.000 It's going to be a big day.

00:52:18.000 It's going to be a huge day.

00:52:19.000 And they always cut it right before we say for the debate in the well of the Senate over irregularities from November 3rd.

00:52:26.000 They always cut it right before anyone says that because, again, nobody called for violence of any sort.

00:52:31.000 So you're saying that the clip that they use where Bannon said hell's going to be unleashed or whatever, right?

00:52:36.000 Or, you know.

00:52:37.000 The debate in the well of the Senate.

00:52:39.000 That's what he's talking about.

00:52:40.000 And Hawley was on board with that.

00:52:42.000 A number of congressmen were on board with that.

00:52:44.000 That's the only thing that's huge missing context is what you're saying around that.

00:52:50.000 Well, the context is there if you actually go and watch the phone.

00:52:53.000 No, no, no, it's missing from the context coverage.

00:52:56.000 Yeah, the way the media is covered.

00:52:57.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:52:59.000 So, okay, now I want to ask you about, so this is a really interesting moment, right?

00:53:03.000 So we have Rittenhouse on trial.

00:53:05.000 We have that all playing out.

00:53:06.000 Then you have Bannon indicted.

00:53:08.000 And by interesting, I mean horrifying.

00:53:10.000 Let me just be very clear.

00:53:11.000 Then you have Project Veritas raided.

00:53:13.000 What's going on with that, Jack?

00:53:15.000 Because you and I have been interfacing back and forth about this.

00:53:19.000 This is end of regime type stuff.

00:53:22.000 This is fall of Rome, purging political opponents type stuff.

00:53:25.000 Right.

00:53:26.000 I mean, you're essentially seeing the regime's enemies list, and they're making moves against them.

00:53:30.000 I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if you and I are on some of these enemies lists out there from various entities in the government.

00:53:37.000 It's all about, you know, this is what they said in the Soviet Union.

00:53:40.000 Show me the man and I'll show you the crime.

00:53:42.000 That was the motto of the KGB in the Soviet Union.

00:53:46.000 I had family in communist Poland behind the Eastern, you know, the Iron Curtain or East Germany.

00:53:50.000 If you watch the movie Lives of Others, they will find a way to launch an investigation of you.

00:53:54.000 And then the invest, and then in the investigation, if you don't, you know, you don't say, you know, do the sign of the cross before you go walk across the street or whatever it is, boom, they got you, right?

00:54:04.000 Because you, you know, forgot to cross your T's or dot your lowercase I's.

00:54:08.000 And so what they're doing is they're using lawfare.

00:54:12.000 They're using naked political power through the justice system, the weaponization of the justice system. 0.99

00:54:17.000 Of course, we've seen this with the corruption of the FBI play out all through the Trump administration and all through the last five years.

00:54:24.000 Now, because Trump is sort of adjacent to the chess board at the moment, they're trying to do everything they can to say, okay, the king's over there, but we've got all these, we've got the Knights, we've got the Rooks, we've got everyone else that we can go after, take out all of them before the chess move can be happening, can be made again.

00:54:41.000 And so, what is the latest with Project Veritas?

00:54:43.000 They're in court, but also who's leaking the confidential privileged information to the New York Times.

00:54:49.000 Do you think the FBI is doing that?

00:54:52.000 I think this is all the Southern District of New York.

00:54:54.000 And, you know, I've said this to James and I'll say it to people on PV: you guys got to get out of New York.

00:54:59.000 Don't, don't, get out of cities.

00:55:00.000 Don't be there, man.

00:55:01.000 Because the Southern District of New York, if you're under their jurisdiction, they are the most politically weaponized districts in the entire country.

00:55:09.000 They have been for some time now, and they will use any pretext to go after you.

00:55:14.000 Again, James O'Keefe never published the Ashley Biden diary.

00:55:18.000 Never once did you hear anything from James O'Keefe or Project Veritas or anyone connected to Project Veritas about this diary.

00:55:26.000 It's a completely separate website, but it doesn't matter because they found out that James knew about it at one point and they used that as a pretext for a pre-dawn raid where they threw him up against the wall, right?

00:55:36.000 Threw him up against the wall at six in the morning, dragged him out of his house, his apartment, and said, We are going to go through your things because we have a warrant.

00:55:45.000 These are the actions of a failing regime.

00:55:47.000 The question is for the American people: do you want to continue living in a country where stuff like this happens, or do you want change?

00:55:54.000 It's as simple as that.

00:55:55.000 And yeah, the Southern District is beyond aggressive, right?

00:55:58.000 I mean, what they did with Dinesh D'Souza, Rudy Giuliani, Steve Bannon.

00:56:04.000 And you make a good point: proximity matters.

00:56:06.000 It's not that other districts won't be as ambitious, but SDNY seems to be just over-the-top politicized, right?

00:56:14.000 And the fact that James O'Keefe's headquarters was still in New York, it kind of put him over the target a little bit.

00:56:20.000 Like, if he would be headed, if he was in Texas, I don't know if this raid would have happened.

00:56:23.000 I really don't.

00:56:24.000 Yeah, I mean, it really is a question about that because the U.S. attorney typically that gets appointed to one of these districts.

00:56:31.000 Now, of course, they do serve at the pleasure of the president.

00:56:33.000 And we know that Trump went in and appointed people and in other cases fired people.

00:56:37.000 And of course, there was always this big hoopla about it.

00:56:40.000 But that's actually a typical thing that happens from administration to administration.

00:56:44.000 But it usually is somebody from that area.

00:56:46.000 It's somebody who's got ties to that area, someone who typically has political ambitions in that area afterwards.

00:56:53.000 You know, maybe you want to run for governor.

00:56:54.000 Chris Christie, as an example, was the district of Northern Jersey and became Rudy Giuliani.

00:57:01.000 Was head of the Southern District of New York office?

00:57:05.000 Ran for mayor, right?

00:57:06.000 After cleaning up the mob.

00:57:07.000 So actually, you know, back when the justice system was used for good.

00:57:10.000 And so he took down the five families.

00:57:12.000 And so you know that if this was in Texas or if this were somewhere else that's more of a red area, then you're going to have less of a chance of these types of politicized, weaponized justice actions against you.

00:57:23.000 Yeah.

00:57:24.000 And so if you're operating on that, and then you have the if you're a leftist, then you know, the world's your oyster.

00:57:29.000 Oh, you could do whatever you want.

00:57:30.000 I mean, and you just look at Clinton, you look at all that.

00:57:31.000 So kind of more.

00:57:33.000 So we have all this happening at once.

00:57:35.000 What's the big takeaway?

00:57:36.000 Bannon, Rittenhouse, Veritas.

00:57:38.000 There's a lot happening.

00:57:39.000 And these are the issues I care about more.

00:57:41.000 Infrastructure while Republicans are celebrating infrastructure.

00:57:44.000 I think you're seeing, I think you're seeing the regime and the administration get desperate.

00:57:49.000 I think this is.

00:57:49.000 I think we agree.

00:57:50.000 You and I are on the same page about that.

00:57:52.000 This is not, these are not the actions of someone who's a confident group of people.

00:57:58.000 No.

00:57:59.000 Right?

00:58:00.000 They say, oh, these guys are just a, you know, Veritas, that's a fringe group.

00:58:03.000 Bannon, that's just a fringe group.

00:58:04.000 Turning point USA, Jack Fesobic, Charlie Kirk, they're all Kyle Britton.

00:58:08.000 These are fringe one-offs.

00:58:10.000 Well, if it was like that, then why are you so worried about us?

00:58:13.000 Why are you constantly on top of us?

00:58:15.000 Why is Media Matters clipping podcasts and live streams that we do every single day?

00:58:21.000 Right.

00:58:21.000 And it's simple because our numbers are up.

00:58:24.000 Tucker's ratings are up.

00:58:24.000 Our ratings are up.

00:58:26.000 They're killing it every night.

00:58:27.000 Why?

00:58:27.000 Because people are listening to those that have facts that aren't lying to you, that aren't pushing their agendas.

00:58:34.000 They're saying, look, we don't want this.

00:58:36.000 Is why Virginia happened?

00:58:38.000 Right.

00:58:38.000 We're sick of the crazy and we want to go back to common sense.

00:58:42.000 We can have political disagreements.

00:58:43.000 I want political disagreements.

00:58:45.000 Those are, I would love to be able to argue about infrastructure and spending and taxing and all the rest of it.

00:58:50.000 But we can't do that when we have a regime that's pushing their version of reality on the rest of the citizens.

00:58:57.000 So I agree.

00:58:57.000 I think this is the last gasps of a dying regime and this is desperation stuff.

00:59:02.000 And they know that there's going to kind of be an equal and opposite reaction here.

00:59:07.000 And they're trying to get as many chess pieces off the board as possible.

00:59:11.000 And I think that they're surprised at the consolidation of support behind James O'Keefe.

00:59:16.000 Look, there's a reason, by the way, that Nancy Pelosi is making noises like she won't be here come 2023. 0.96

00:59:23.000 If you go back and I just spent some time, unfortunately, I spent some time in San Francisco, as you know.

00:59:28.000 I was speaking up there at Silicon Valley.

00:59:31.000 And believe it or not, there are some conservatives up there.

00:59:33.000 I was surprised to find that it was a bit of an underground.

00:59:36.000 And the Liberty Forum, great, great organization.

00:59:38.000 I spoke there many years ago.

00:59:40.000 Great people.

00:59:41.000 And they tell me that the, you know, essentially the casting call has gone out.

00:59:48.000 Who wants to replace Nancy Pelosi in that district, that San Francisco district? 1.00

00:59:54.000 And look at what great of a job she's done for the city of San Francisco. 0.61

00:59:57.000 Man, just a wonderful, beautiful, shining literal city on a hill, San Francisco.

01:00:03.000 Every, all the wonderful, the joy and the excitement that the people and the safety.

01:00:09.000 Let me tell you a quick story about San Francisco.

01:00:11.000 So I speak Chinese.

01:00:12.000 My wife speaks Chinese.

01:00:14.000 We love to find opportunities to practice our Mandarin, right?

01:00:16.000 So I learned, she was a linguist.

01:00:18.000 I learned it when I was in the Navy.

01:00:19.000 I lived in China for a while.

01:00:20.000 And so I said, you know, San Francisco, Chinatown, I've always heard is one of the oldest, one of the largest, the best Chinatowns in the United States.

01:00:27.000 So I said, oh, I'd love to go there, find a place where they speak Mandarin, just walk in.

01:00:31.000 You know, you always get that look on their face, like, oh, you speak our language.

01:00:34.000 Like, sit down, have a nice seat, whatever.

01:00:34.000 That's cool.

01:00:37.000 And we go in, Charlie.

01:00:39.000 We went out at 7 o'clock, 7 p.m.

01:00:42.000 We couldn't find a restaurant that was open at 7 p.m.

01:00:46.000 They were shut down, bars over the windows, bars over the doors.

01:00:50.000 I know looking around, and it's all because of the crime.

01:00:52.000 They say, because the minute the sun goes down, the crime comes.

01:00:56.000 And meanwhile, you have Pelosi and Newsom.

01:00:56.000 That's right.

01:01:00.000 They're fine.

01:01:01.000 They are the, we talk about this a lot.

01:01:03.000 They are the...

01:01:04.000 Well, and they were at the Getty wedding that same week.

01:01:06.000 Of course, no, they are the Plato's guardians, right?

01:01:07.000 So Plato had in one of his dialogues this idea of the people who are in charge of society that are immune to all of the measures and all of the consequences of the decisions that they implement.

01:01:20.000 They are the ultimate, they are the unelected, right?

01:01:22.000 And you could obviously say, oh, Pelosi's elected.

01:01:24.000 She's unelected.

01:01:25.000 I mean, give me a break.

01:01:26.000 It's Western San Francisco, right?

01:01:27.000 She runs it like a mob. 1.00

01:01:29.000 And so, but she doesn't care.

01:01:31.000 She'll go eat with a private chef. 0.95

01:01:34.000 Who is she to go to? 0.99

01:01:34.000 What was amazing was they were taking, so the Gettys, this is the oil family. 0.99

01:01:40.000 They got their money from oil years and years ago, and now they basically run California politics to a large extent.

01:01:46.000 They've had their wedding over the weekend, the grandson.

01:01:49.000 So Newsom's there.

01:01:50.000 That's the first time he popped his head above water.

01:01:52.000 Pelosi officiated, but the symbology and the images and the things they were wearing.

01:01:59.000 And somebody went and they took that picture and then put up the hunger games, right?

01:02:04.000 Those scenes from the Capitol.

01:02:05.000 You remember the Capitol and Hunger Games?

01:02:07.000 And it was like you couldn't, if you looked at it close, like you looked away and then looked at it, you couldn't even tell which was which because they looked exactly the same.

01:02:16.000 The regime is cracking down literally on political opponents and dissidents while they are ensconced in their power centers, wearing their livery and their flowers, putting masks over the servants, right?

01:02:30.000 Voiceless servants.

01:02:31.000 That's exactly something from Hunger Games.

01:02:35.000 And it's as if there are two separate sides here.

01:02:38.000 There's a regime and there's everybody else.

01:02:40.000 There's this great quote from Plutarch that I'm trying to find in.

01:02:46.000 Yeah, I'm doing Hunger Games.

01:02:47.000 You're throwing Plutarch at me.

01:02:49.000 No, no, no.

01:02:49.000 Plutarch Heavensby from...

01:02:52.000 Oh, right, right, right.

01:02:53.000 Okay, never mind.

01:02:53.000 Hunger Games.

01:02:54.000 Not the Plutarch, the other Plutarch.

01:02:56.000 Yes, this is it right here.

01:02:57.000 Okay, I'm trying to find this here.

01:02:58.000 This is the Phil Tuvalu character, right?

01:03:01.000 He rest in peace.

01:03:01.000 I'm a huge fan.

01:03:02.000 He was so sad.

01:03:04.000 Wouldn't it be so great if he could play Bandon in the movie, by the way?

01:03:07.000 Are you kidding me?

01:03:08.000 Who else would do this?

01:03:09.000 Who else could do it?

01:03:10.000 And his voice, his intonation.

01:03:11.000 I'm trying to get him to play Bandon Games.

01:03:12.000 Let me try to find this quote.

01:03:14.000 It's one of the great ones.

01:03:15.000 Okay, this is great.

01:03:16.000 So, of course, he was playing.

01:03:19.000 Try to find this, Connor, try to find this sound if we could play it out here.

01:03:23.000 I've been thinking about this recently, but if you could find that clip, is Connor around?

01:03:26.000 I don't know where everyone is.

01:03:27.000 They've all left.

01:03:28.000 Okay, whatever.

01:03:29.000 So let me tell you this.

01:03:31.000 So this is the dialogue.

01:03:32.000 It's beautiful.

01:03:33.000 And I'm a big Hunger Games fan, and you and I have talked about this.

01:03:36.000 So President Snow played by Jack Bower's dad, Sutherland, right?

01:03:39.000 Donald Sutherland.

01:03:40.000 Donald Sutherland.

01:03:41.000 Jack Bower's dad.

01:03:43.000 He says, Yes, it is Jack Bower's dead.

01:03:45.000 She's not who you think she is. 0.99

01:03:47.000 She's not a leader. 0.99

01:03:48.000 She just wants to save her own skin. 0.83

01:03:49.000 It's as simple as that.

01:03:50.000 Plutarch says, I think that's true.

01:03:52.000 President Snow, she's become a beacon of hope for the rebellion, and she has to be eliminated. 0.94

01:03:57.000 Plutarch says, I agree she should die, but in the right way, at the right time. 0.75

01:04:02.000 It's moves and counter moves, and it's what we got to look at.

01:04:06.000 Katniss Everdeen is a symbol.

01:04:08.000 They're mocking Jay.

01:04:09.000 They think she's one of them. 0.51

01:04:10.000 We need to show that she's one of us.

01:04:12.000 We don't need to destroy her, just the image.

01:04:15.000 Then we let people do the rest.

01:04:17.000 So what do you propose, President Snow says?

01:04:19.000 Shut down the black markets, take away what little they have, then double the amount of floggings and executions, put them on TV, broadcast them live, and sow fear, more fear.

01:04:29.000 It won't work, President Snow says.

01:04:31.000 Fear does not work.

01:04:32.000 She's engaged.

01:04:33.000 Make everything about that.

01:04:35.000 What kind of dress is she going to wear? 1.00

01:04:36.000 Floggings. 0.96

01:04:37.000 What's the cake going to look like?

01:04:38.000 Executions.

01:04:39.000 Who's going to be there?

01:04:40.000 Fear.

01:04:40.000 Blanket coverage.

01:04:41.000 Shove it in their faces.

01:04:42.000 Show them that she's one of us now.

01:04:45.000 Plutarch says they're going to hate her. 0.99

01:04:47.000 They might just kill her for you. 1.00

01:04:48.000 Brilliant. 0.99

01:04:50.000 Brilliant.

01:04:51.000 Wow.

01:04:51.000 Charlie, on that, I actually, I'm looking at the time.

01:04:53.000 I actually got to run for my next hit, but I don't even know what I could add because that's just purpose.

01:04:58.000 That's exactly what we're living through right now.

01:05:00.000 It's what the regime is going through.

01:05:04.000 So, but we're leaving through.

01:05:04.000 Okay.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - November 17, 2021

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