The Charlie Kirk Show - August 06, 2025


Russell Brand's Journey to Christ


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Russell Brand joins Charlie Kirk at Turning Point USA to talk about his new found faith and what it means to be a Christian in a secular world. Charlie and Russell talk about the importance of being a Christian and why it's not as easy as it seems.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here live from thebitcoin.com studio.
00:00:04.000 My conversation with Russell Brand.
00:00:06.000 It's fun, it's lively, and it's insulting to me, but I don't take it personally.
00:00:10.000 It's a lot of fun while I lozenge with Russell Brand.
00:00:13.000 You don't know what I'm talking about.
00:00:14.000 You got to listen to this.
00:00:15.000 Russell Brand and I share lozenges next to the campfire as we reflect on the deeper things.
00:00:20.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:00:22.000 Subscribe to our podcast.
00:00:24.000 I think you're going to love this conversation with a new believer, new Christian, Russell Brand.
00:00:28.000 Buckle up, everybody.
00:00:28.000 Here we go.
00:00:29.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:31.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
00:00:33.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
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00:01:28.000 Okay, everyone, let's get right to it.
00:01:30.000 Joining us is a new friend and honestly a great person and amazing Christian.
00:01:36.000 A new Christian. 0.82
00:01:38.000 You probably know him from a lot of different stuff.
00:01:41.000 Give it up for Russell Brand, everybody.
00:01:42.000 Thank you.
00:01:58.000 Hello.
00:02:01.000 Russell, great to see you.
00:02:03.000 I'm so grateful to be here.
00:02:04.000 Before we start, I'm not Gary the Guantanamo here.
00:02:08.000 Charlie, you've been avoiding me debating.
00:02:10.000 Thank you.
00:02:14.000 Wait, this is important.
00:02:15.000 It's the Guantanamo Gator. 0.76
00:02:18.000 Charlie, I want to follow up on some of the Guantanamo Gators questions.
00:02:23.000 This is good.
00:02:25.000 And why don't you debate?
00:02:27.000 He's perfectly reasonable.
00:02:28.000 Debate him now.
00:02:30.000 Why do you keep avoiding...
00:02:34.000 Do you see?
00:02:37.000 Now, Charlie, now, can I talk to you about some of your booking ideas?
00:02:42.000 And I will say, no one told me about the Guantanamo Gator.
00:02:47.000 I was not warned.
00:02:49.000 And you know, sometimes we see those videos of Floridians getting them into a trash can with wheels.
00:02:55.000 I should like to see that take place with that gentleman.
00:03:00.000 He was so honestly like he's just so reasonable.
00:03:03.000 He should have kept the conversation going.
00:03:05.000 Russell, great to see you.
00:03:06.000 Thanks for being here.
00:03:08.000 It's so lovely to see you.
00:03:09.000 So I have so much to talk about here.
00:03:11.000 Are you carrying around a Bible?
00:03:13.000 That's my Bible in one year for my daily readings.
00:03:18.000 And I thought it was very appeasite that today we've transitioned out of Acts and into Romans 1 because on our previous conversation, which was in Milwaukee at the RNC, you said to me that Romans is the Christian constitution.
00:03:31.000 This is from my friend Jay John.
00:03:33.000 I like it.
00:03:33.000 It's Old and New Testament.
00:03:35.000 It's very easy to carry around and read.
00:03:37.000 These are just some of my notes in preparation for the interview.
00:03:40.000 Note one, ensure Guantanamo Gaita present in front row. 0.65
00:03:45.000 This will distract Charlie.
00:03:47.000 You know, there's just like lots of actually notes about Rome itself and Caravaggio and stuff like that.
00:03:52.000 So yeah, I carry two Bibles, which I recognize is quite cumbersome, but I've not been Christian very long, so what do you expect?
00:03:58.000 So Russell, you have a phenomenal story, and thank you for taking time to travel to this conference.
00:04:04.000 It's terrific.
00:04:05.000 Thanks for paying me to come.
00:04:06.000 Yeah, no, absolutely.
00:04:09.000 Thank you for gladly accepting.
00:04:11.000 So you were in public eye, you still are, in a non-Christian lifestyle. 1.00
00:04:18.000 Is that fair to say?
00:04:21.000 Almost anti-Christian in some ways.
00:04:23.000 Walk us through the journey as you're comfortable sharing from that lifestyle to now giving your life to Jesus Christ.
00:04:30.000 Well, you know, in a sense, we have no choice but to worship something.
00:04:34.000 And my devoutness and devotion was effortlessly directed by the culture and by my conditions.
00:04:41.000 I mean, familial and psychological as well as social towards worship and reverence of the individual, which I see as being the nexus of false idolatry, really.
00:04:52.000 As long as you're trapped in self-worshipping yourself, aspects of yourself, self-aggrandizement, pursuit of personal glory, you're very easily contained by the culture.
00:05:03.000 In a sense, I've started to recognize that the culture wants us in a state of self-centered bewilderment.
00:05:07.000 When you're in that state, you're very easy to manage and manipulate.
00:05:11.000 I really thought that I was autonomous and had a great deal of personal authority.
00:05:14.000 In fact, I would have believed in the kind of rags to riches idea that I bought.
00:05:17.000 I come from a pretty modest background and through success and endeavor and hard work and through personal excellence and ability and charm, moxie, call it what you will.
00:05:26.000 I fought against the odds to become a Hollywood star and marry Katie Perry and be on red carpets all over the place.
00:05:34.000 For a brief while I lived with the Guantanamo Gator. 0.65
00:05:37.000 It was a complicated era.
00:05:40.000 That's how I would have characterized it, Charlie.
00:05:42.000 I missed that one.
00:05:42.000 Yeah, no, I kept it quite.
00:05:43.000 I was embarrassed.
00:05:45.000 I would have characterized it as a story of personal success.
00:05:51.000 I was looking at the work of Yuval Noah Harari, the writer of Sapiens, which I've sort of found perfectly enjoyable until it became clear to me it was an atheistic trope that was geared towards directing people towards surrender and subjugation towards AI false idols.
00:06:06.000 That's what it was.
00:06:06.000 It was, wasn't it?
00:06:07.000 And I thought, oh, the reason this guy is such a popular and accredited intellectual is because his message and agenda fits very neatly into the agenda of powerful elites who determine which cultural artifacts get celebrated and popularized.
00:06:23.000 I didn't realize that at first.
00:06:25.000 And then I thought, I wonder if you were that.
00:06:27.000 I wonder if there was something about your success, Russell, that was telling the culture a story that you wanted to hear.
00:06:33.000 And then I thought about it for a while because it is, after all, my favorite subject, me.
00:06:36.000 And while I was thinking about that, I thought, oh, yeah, it was.
00:06:39.000 My personal hedonism and my sense of myself as self-actualizing through excess.
00:06:47.000 That's a story the culture likes to tell itself.
00:06:50.000 So really, you were just a useful sort of vessel or expression of a particular set of cultural ideas.
00:06:56.000 I came to Christ the way that some people do who don't have the benefit of Christianity in early life, although it happened obviously at the perfect time, through a variety of collapses in my private and public life, sort of a personal difficulty with the birth of my son,
00:07:12.000 who's sort of beautiful and incredible and doing very doing very well, but certainly was a crisis in our family for a minute and through false allegations of sexual misconduct, which gave me quite great pause for reflection on the way that I'd lived for a lot of time and the impact of that lifestyle.
00:07:29.000 And I Suppose in the midst of all that confusion, the clarity of Christ came in a way that's sort of still difficult to describe.
00:07:35.000 But most recently, I felt, Charlie, when reading, I was looking at Acts and it talked about the meeting of Paul and Peter.
00:07:41.000 So I went and checked it in Galatians, the same encounter.
00:07:44.000 And I thought, in that encounter between Paul and Peter, you've got someone who knew Christ while alive and met the resurrected Christ, as well as Paul, who has this profound, incredible vision re-encounter with him.
00:07:56.000 And I thought, and I had that kind of visceral wave of the reality and truth of the historical Christ, not just the mythic Christ that we need to use as a sort of an inner constellation for personal guidance.
00:08:06.000 But oh my God, it actually happened.
00:08:07.000 It actually happened.
00:08:09.000 And when I feel that, it brings me out of the humdrum.
00:08:12.000 It brings me out of the central and it puts me in the supernatural, where I believe we must to some degree live in the world, not of God.
00:08:19.000 Yes, and so I'm sure you tried Buddhism or you did you experiment with Eastern stuff.
00:08:24.000 What made Christianity different? 0.96
00:08:26.000 The reason I was repulsed by Christianity initially was because I felt like this is the religion of like, you know, like any ordinary American or my grandmother or my wife is accessible to everyone.
00:08:38.000 I must have something a little more esoteric, a little rarer, a little more hardcore.
00:08:42.000 A little more Gnostic.
00:08:43.000 A little more Gnostic and a little less conformist.
00:08:46.000 I felt that, you know, Christianity, and maybe there's an argument that could be had about whether institutional Christianity is used as a kind of panacea to prevent people being the radical revolutionaries that I believe our Lord would have us be.
00:09:00.000 And with things like Buddhism and Sufism, not that I'm claiming to have had a deep understanding of these faiths, just an autodidactic perusal of the books of Sufism and Hinduism and Buddhism and philosophy.
00:09:15.000 Although there were many, many truths that were discovered in them texts, at the center of those truths, Charlie, there I was still trapped in self.
00:09:24.000 When I surrendered, kind of voluntarily yet exhausted to the man Christ, the flesh Christ, I realized, oh, I wanted to be Jesus.
00:09:33.000 I wanted to be the center, the Son of God, the apex.
00:09:38.000 Yeah, I can't do miracles.
00:09:39.000 I'm not willing to be crucified.
00:09:42.000 Now, since surrendering to him, accepting him, bowing at the foot of his cross, on my knees, shoulder to shoulder with any one of you that accepts Jesus alongside me, I feel relieved, I feel unburdened, I feel empowered.
00:09:55.000 And I realize that the person that I used to be was not an error or a mistake, but part of the unfolding way, as the early Christians called it.
00:10:04.000 And I find it interesting that a lot of these ideas that I investigated, dear Charlie, like Taoism, say, have embedded in them even semantically notions that can be discovered in Christianity.
00:10:14.000 And when His Holiness the Dalai Lama gave his recent 90th birthday speech, as I sort of read, at least he posted on social media, I read through that, Charlie, and I noted that most of his significant points about Buddhism, I could, even with just a year in scripture, match with something from the gospel.
00:10:33.000 Every aspect was like, this is all in Christ.
00:10:35.000 This is all available to us in Jesus.
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00:11:44.000 Would you like a throat model? 0.94
00:11:45.000 Well, I'm fascinated by them, Charlie.
00:11:47.000 I'm fascinated.
00:11:48.000 What are you staring at when you want one?
00:11:49.000 It's not I want one.
00:11:50.000 I just want to know the story of them.
00:11:52.000 I lose my voice at these events because I speak 14 hours a day.
00:11:56.000 You fight it off with lozenges.
00:11:57.000 Well, no, the lozenges lubricate the throat to prevent you. 0.96
00:12:02.000 That's the sort of man find out.
00:12:04.000 It's very maha for the record.
00:12:06.000 I like it.
00:12:08.000 I have to have a hundred, a thousand.
00:12:11.000 Lemon eucalyptus.
00:12:12.000 It's good stuff, man.
00:12:13.000 I'm addicted.
00:12:14.000 I'm going to grind it up and inject it in my arm.
00:12:17.000 Don't do drugs, kids.
00:12:21.000 We're told all religions are the same. 0.52
00:12:25.000 Yes?
00:12:26.000 You really like it?
00:12:28.000 It's actually amazing.
00:12:29.000 It's delicious.
00:12:31.000 It's tasty, right?
00:12:32.000 Charlie, no wonder you can speak for 14 hours.
00:12:36.000 No wonder you can get Gavin Gruesome Newsome to admit that there are different genders. 1.00
00:12:42.000 You're powered by lozenges.
00:12:44.000 That's right.
00:12:48.000 He's the only one ever to mention the lozenges.
00:12:51.000 No one else has ever met.
00:12:52.000 I would expect nothing less.
00:12:57.000 That's why I thought that's what you're saying.
00:12:59.000 Oh, yeah, we're told all religions are the same. 0.91
00:13:02.000 What is the differentiator that you want the rest of the world to know about Jesus, Christ, about self?
00:13:13.000 You mentioned, I mean, for example, Buddhism, correct me if I'm wrong, Russell, is a very self-centric religion.
00:13:19.000 Yeah.
00:13:20.000 It is.
00:13:22.000 I mean, this is, sorry, you know, sometimes when you're a professional comedian, you realize that you do things that are funny, where you're not trying to be funny.
00:13:30.000 This is one of them.
00:13:31.000 I'm not even naturally trying to be funny.
00:13:32.000 For me, it seems normal that you would take the lozenge in and out like a cigarette.
00:13:38.000 Well, Charlie, your father and I, we used to lozenge together at Harvard.
00:13:47.000 George Bush and I were in the Skull and Bones Club.
00:13:51.000 We would lozenge together at Bohemian Grove.
00:13:55.000 Then who's that under the privet?
00:13:57.000 It's Alex Jones.
00:14:00.000 After my mollocrobes was Jones. 0.79
00:14:03.000 After my mollochrobes was he. 0.95
00:14:05.000 No, I mean, yeah, like Buddhism is self-buddhism is self-centered.
00:14:08.000 If you, like, I reckon the reason, the thing that I resisted about Jesus was the very thing that I needed to yield and surrender to.
00:14:16.000 I didn't, like, I was messianically infatuated with myself as the kind of center of the world.
00:14:22.000 And the culture also gives you that offering.
00:14:25.000 It's appealing that your personal identity can be the altar of false idolatry, i.e.
00:14:31.000 your sexuality, your race, or your gender.
00:14:33.000 All of those things are glorious creations of our Lord.
00:14:37.000 But when you make them the focus of your spiritual attention, of your devotion, they can't hold it.
00:14:44.000 I look at the instructions in scripture now, not just as edicts to be obeyed, but simply as suggestions that if you follow them, you will have a better time.
00:14:54.000 If you turn sex into a type of God, you're in for a rough ride. 0.67
00:14:58.000 If you turn your personal identity Into a kind of God.
00:15:01.000 You're living in an illusion.
00:15:02.000 Die on the cross with him.
00:15:04.000 The conversation I refer to between Paul and Peter, as rendered in Galatians, leads to Paul saying, I lived by a certain law, and I lived by a certain law.
00:15:12.000 The idea of self, the idea that do as, well, indeed, one of the edicts of Satanism, as espoused by Alastair Crowley, is, do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.
00:15:22.000 What you want to do is God, that your own desires are God.
00:15:26.000 That by truncating, curtailing, and ceasing of your desires, you're somehow being not true to yourself, that you should be who you are.
00:15:34.000 Now, consumerism and commerce benefit if people want to fulfill their desires all the time.
00:15:39.000 Every single purchase is undergirded either by necessitation or desire.
00:15:43.000 But what I have been shown by our Lord is that the perennial ideas of Aldous Huxley, that all religions are the same, or the Campbellian ideas of the heroes with a thousand masks, or Jung's ideas about archetypes, are not untrue.
00:15:57.000 There are truths presenting themselves again and again through culture.
00:16:00.000 But there is, I believe, for some of us, maybe not for everyone, who would, how am I after like 14 months of Christianity to tell everyone that they have to do immediately what I couldn't do 15 months ago?
00:16:11.000 But it seems to me that the way of the cross, the way of the Son, the Father, and the Holy Spirit, is a way of bypassing and navigating your way through the terrible trenches of bewilderment strewn by a culture that wants you ignorant, bewildered, and delirious.
00:16:26.000 You need only glance at the Parisian Olympics to be aware that what they want to do is surpass and supplant the values of Christ with the values of a culture that wants you sick, ill, and weak. 0.65
00:16:35.000 There is an attack on all categories that empower people, whether that's the category of woman or the category of man.
00:16:41.000 These are empowering and holy roles that we might play.
00:16:44.000 I note since living in Florida that there's an attack on excellence, on expertise, on competence and capability.
00:16:50.000 They don't want men and women that are awakened and armed and capable of taking care of themselves. 0.97
00:16:55.000 They want us all like hopeless blobs and parasites hooked onto their system of ignorance that tells you there is no God and then tells you that it is the very God that it denies the existence of omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, wanting complete control through surveillance and data capture and observation and ultimately wants you to submit to its false idols, its false idols.
00:17:16.000 Mmm, lozenge.
00:17:19.000 Imagine that was all a campaign.
00:17:22.000 Ah, yeah, yeah.
00:17:23.000 Imagine that whole thing, Charlie, was just an elaborate advert for this brand of lozenge.
00:17:28.000 You know how like Tucker does those ziffs.
00:17:31.000 So the Zinz or whatever that's got his own one now.
00:17:33.000 It's called Alp.
00:17:35.000 So Russell, all kidding aside, when are you going to start a church?
00:17:40.000 Are you going to start it?
00:17:40.000 Are you going to try to start a ministry?
00:17:42.000 I mean, the UK could use a revival.
00:17:46.000 I'm really trying to surrender to whatever he wants.
00:17:48.000 You know, I've always been talking my whole life, so like it would be immodest, false modesty for me to say, oh, really, Charlie?
00:17:53.000 You know, I'm aware I hear myself talking.
00:17:55.000 But when I'm not sucking on a sweet, sweet lozenge of the Lord.
00:18:00.000 But I do want to participate in his ministry and mission, but because I have a tendency to appoint myself and anoint myself in certain roles, I want to be sure that it's the path he would have me walk.
00:18:11.000 And I have pretty serious challenges to surmount in the UK when it comes to my personal beliefs.
00:18:17.000 The entire government is going after Russell.
00:18:19.000 I hope you guys know that.
00:18:21.000 It's exhausting.
00:18:22.000 Yes.
00:18:23.000 But so, Russell, how is that played into your walk with Jesus?
00:18:26.000 Is it fair to say, and I'll just, I mean, I don't mean to be offensive or provocative, but that you were like brought to Christ because things started to go rather negative.
00:18:37.000 Like things started to fall apart and you realized that you had to surrender in front of the cross.
00:18:44.000 Yeah, that's sort of a pretty simple way of putting it, Charlie.
00:18:47.000 Thank you.
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00:19:57.000 So you're under attack from the UK government on, I think, completely fake stuff.
00:20:01.000 And that's what, by the way, that's what they do.
00:20:03.000 Russell, they're going after Russell because he was so effective and vocal during COVID, and he was against the entire COVID narrative, right?
00:20:11.000 You were against lockdowns and you were against all that stuff.
00:20:14.000 And your lawfare started simultaneously with all of that.
00:20:18.000 Is that correct?
00:20:20.000 No, it was a little later, but I knew that it's been revealed that I was under observation from groups like Logically, AI, and CRISP, who are sort of online organizations that often work with either government agencies or government carve-outs.
00:20:31.000 You're aware of things like the Atlantic Group and various organizations that were funded by USAID or other CIA carve-out organizations.
00:20:39.000 What seems to have taken place is I provided a lot of raw material by living like an imbecile for a long, long while in a way that is not at all in accordance with the way that I've lived as a married man for the last eight years, nine years, ten years.
00:20:53.000 God, that's not going to look good for my wife. 1.00
00:20:54.000 Hold on, let me do some quick maths.
00:20:58.000 When was that baby?
00:20:59.000 I don't know, out of wedlock.
00:21:00.000 Sorry, Lord.
00:21:01.000 Eight years, but my daughter will be nine at her next birthday.
00:21:07.000 While I was single and young, I lived very promiscuously, promiscuously.
00:21:11.000 And when you live like that, I can see that it causes harm to be selfish in your sexual conduct is essentially exploitative.
00:21:19.000 But there's, in my view, a world of difference between that and forcing people to do things against their will.
00:21:24.000 That is a very, very clear and atrocious crime.
00:21:28.000 What I believe happened is that due to the popularity of much of the broadcasting that was taking place at that time, which happened sort of really organically, and almost Charlie Kirk, as a quirk, of the technological advancements of that time, like you could exist outside of centralized media and just as I was doing on YouTube, quickly garner a following of millions.
00:21:48.000 We were talking every day about Pfizer's lack of clinical trials, Moderna's relationship with the government, the inability to prove the efficacy of those medicines, the likelihood that the COVID vaccine, excuse me, COVID virus originated in a laboratory, this peculiar funding relationships between DARPA and COVID, Anthony Fauci's deception, his peculiar visits with the CIA, his relationships with Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook, all sorts of stuff that was available and Charlie would have been reporting on the same stuff and certainly Joe Rogan was.
00:22:14.000 I was talking about those kind of things using a variety of articles from people like Matt Taibi and Michael Schellenberger bringing together sort of narratives, but I think hopefully we were able to speak about it in a manner that was sort of funny.
00:22:24.000 For example, one of the Moderna booster shots was only ever tested on eight mouses.
00:22:29.000 And I would say, you can't give a whole population a booster on the basis of something that's only been given to eight mouses.
00:22:35.000 And all the while I'm aware that people are going, but the plural for mouse is mice.
00:22:40.000 And little tricks like that help information to land within the world.
00:22:43.000 That's the most important part of the statement.
00:22:44.000 That's absolutely vital.
00:22:45.000 Focus on the pluralization of the word mouse.
00:22:48.000 Good grammar, mass death.
00:22:50.000 Without grammar, there's no point in being vaccinated.
00:22:53.000 There's no point in surviving.
00:22:54.000 Also, I hope I was observing the unspoken narrative of COVID is this.
00:22:59.000 Check it out.
00:23:00.000 Life is so sacred and each of us so precious, the most vulnerable, no matter who you are or where you're from.
00:23:07.000 Life is a sacred gift from God.
00:23:09.000 Therefore, if there's a virus that's a threat to anybody, we must all be locked in our homes.
00:23:14.000 We must all wear masks.
00:23:15.000 We must all obey these edicts.
00:23:17.000 And if necessary, you must take these vaccines.
00:23:18.000 And if you don't, you are lacking in compassion.
00:23:21.000 You don't care about others.
00:23:22.000 The entire premise is erroneous because where else do we see our culture behaving as if life is sacred, as if we must sacrifice ourselves for one another?
00:23:31.000 Indeed, don't they mock those very values?
00:23:33.000 Don't they mock our Savior?
00:23:34.000 Don't they mock our church?
00:23:36.000 Don't they laugh at the idea that there's something more valuable than the fulfillment of self and the adornment of self?
00:23:42.000 Anyway, so during COVID, I talked about it a lot, but I was pretty loquacious and pretty non-stop about it.
00:23:47.000 The videos were doing well.
00:23:49.000 I was enjoying it, and I'm a kind of a naturally anti-establishment person, I suppose.
00:23:53.000 I didn't take the vaccine because I don't like being told what to do.
00:23:57.000 I didn't take it because they were telling me.
00:23:59.000 In fact, if they'd wanted me to take that vaccine, all they would have had to have done is leave a couple of syringes in my bedroom and tell me, under no circumstances, do not touch that no matter what.
00:24:12.000 Doesn't matter who coughs or however quietly, in whichever grocery store, don't take those.
00:24:16.000 Oh, you've already taken them.
00:24:18.000 Sir, I have taken 20 or 30 vaccines.
00:24:20.000 I don't like being told what to do.
00:24:22.000 In this way, I'm closer to the native mentality of the people of your nation than my own, because over in the UK, people seem to have happily tumbled into radicals.
00:24:29.000 Unbelievable obedient in the UK.
00:24:31.000 Unbelievable obedience.
00:24:32.000 I saw some of your appearances there on GB News and your debates there, and I thought you conducted yourself marvelously, as always.
00:24:38.000 But I am, like you, concerned about what's happening in the United Kingdom.
00:24:42.000 And however, you want to carve that up from the left or from the right from a materialist, rationalistic, atheistic, or Christian perspective.
00:24:49.000 Here's a country that is in very real danger of falling.
00:24:52.000 It is.
00:24:53.000 And so, Russell, you brought something, and I want to isolate it.
00:24:55.000 You said you don't like being told what to do.
00:24:57.000 That makes it even more incredible that you submitted to Jesus Christ and submitted to scripture.
00:25:04.000 Yeah.
00:25:04.000 Because that's a surface contradiction.
00:25:08.000 So, walk us through that.
00:25:09.000 Well, I think that might have been one of the initial obstacles because there's this sort of in pantheonism and paganism, there's this aggrandizement or acceptance and celebration of what you might call the humours or the inner deities, your warlike aspect, the Aphrodite aspect, your sensuality.
00:25:25.000 All of these things can be revered.
00:25:27.000 And I didn't want to submit to Christ.
00:25:29.000 I didn't want to surrender to Christ.
00:25:30.000 And if I'm entirely honest, Charlie, there are some days still where I don't want to bow down in total submission and surrender and recognize that my self-will is my beast.
00:25:38.000 That's exactly right.
00:25:39.000 The flesh, the world, and the mentality.
00:25:43.000 I'm continually caught in a loop of fallibility around these things.
00:25:47.000 But I can't believe it's all in scripture.
00:25:51.000 It's all in the word, but it was like the scripture coming to life somehow.
00:25:54.000 Like I felt like it is finished.
00:25:56.000 It is done.
00:25:57.000 His words on the cross.
00:25:58.000 I felt the compassion that is available through the love of his mother, through his forgiveness of us, through his acceptance of us.
00:26:07.000 The submission, I do believe that submission to a higher good.
00:26:11.000 I believe now humility before honor.
00:26:13.000 Before the idea of surrender, and still, the idea of surrendering or accepting any human authority as supreme, I find it kind of repulsive.
00:26:23.000 And I believe that there are significant institutional, if not constitutional, changes coming to your country because I believe that there is an appetite for more freedom that is growing.
00:26:34.000 But freedom cannot exist without virtue.
00:26:36.000 And so freedom will come after, and it's happening right now.
00:26:40.000 People go to church and give their life to God.
00:26:42.000 You cannot have a free society if you do not have a society that values God.
00:26:47.000 That's why continental Europe is so unfree.
00:26:50.000 It's secular.
00:26:50.000 It's interesting.
00:26:51.000 And so, you pinpoint something.
00:26:55.000 First of all, there's a great verse that I think you'll love, Romans 12, 2, which is, do not conform to the ways of this world, but instead be transformed by the renewing of your mind.
00:27:04.000 Fact, check me if I got it right.
00:27:06.000 Romans 12.
00:27:06.000 I'm not fact-checking you.
00:27:07.000 I'm just.
00:27:08.000 The believer's constitution.
00:27:09.000 I consider you a kind of living Bible.
00:27:13.000 I'm not quite a living Bible, but I do take that seriously.
00:27:16.000 So, Romans 12:2, it's one of my favorite verses because you talked about your mindset.
00:27:20.000 So, that's Romans right there, I think.
00:27:22.000 Yes.
00:27:23.000 Yeah, 12:2.
00:27:24.000 All right, so this is a new international version, probably, Charlie.
00:27:28.000 So, any distinctions are likely because of the translation.
00:27:31.000 I won't nitpick that, but what do you go with?
00:27:32.000 ESV.
00:27:33.000 Yeah, that's my own.
00:27:34.000 Or New King James, one of the two.
00:27:35.000 I like ESV as well.
00:27:37.000 All right.
00:27:38.000 So, and so, dear brothers and sisters, I plead with you to give your bodies to God because of all he has done for you.
00:27:45.000 Let them be a living holy sacrifice, the kind he will find acceptable.
00:27:49.000 This is truly the way to worship him.
00:27:52.000 Don't copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think.
00:28:00.000 Then you will learn to know God's will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect.
00:28:04.000 It's beautiful.
00:28:05.000 I like that it starts off, Charlie, as well.
00:28:07.000 Yeah, praise the Lord.
00:28:08.000 I like that it starts off with, give your body.
00:28:11.000 That's one of the things that hit me early on through St. Paul, I think in Corinthians.
00:28:17.000 And it was somewhat by the brilliant rendering of the British pastor that I first heard use these words in a sermon, even though they're words we're all familiar with that are frequently misused, of course, sarcastically, even ironically.
00:28:31.000 Do you not know that your body is a temple?
00:28:34.000 Do you not know?
00:28:35.000 It has that prefix, do you not know that your body is a temple?
00:28:38.000 I like the gentleness of you wouldn't be doing this if you knew that your body was a temple.
00:28:43.000 I lived like someone who didn't know that their body was a temple, a dwelling place for the Holy Spirit, a place for the Lord to inhabit.
00:28:50.000 We no longer have a tabernacle that has to be carried that could go off at any time and kill everyone.
00:28:55.000 We are a living tabernacle.
00:28:57.000 We are the site of his holiness and his grace.
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00:30:01.000 Now I want to put this before you because I'm thinking of saying it when I talk in front of the audience later, which I'm a bit nervous about, Charlie.
00:30:05.000 I'm a bit nervous about talking in front of a big audience.
00:30:08.000 Okay, I do get nervous.
00:30:10.000 See this thing.
00:30:12.000 When I went to Rome the other day, I was in one of these churches.
00:30:15.000 You know, like if you ever go to Rome, you've got to go.
00:30:17.000 It's amazing.
00:30:17.000 I don't mean Rome in Florida, because there is one, is there?
00:30:20.000 Or Georgia.
00:30:21.000 I don't mean that one.
00:30:21.000 I mean, the one in the Rome.
00:30:24.000 I mean the one with Italians in it. 1.00
00:30:27.000 There's probably some in Georgia as well.
00:30:29.000 But anyway, I mean, full of them.
00:30:31.000 Brimming over everywhere you look.
00:30:33.000 One of these churches has got three Caravaggios in it of St. Matthew.
00:30:37.000 One, Caravaggio is one of my favorite sort of late Renaissance artists.
00:30:42.000 There's a lot of darkness in the way he paints and shafts of light.
00:30:46.000 They say that Francis Coppola used his image system heavily for the Godfather movies.
00:30:51.000 Anyway, there's this one image painting, beautiful, unbelievably beautiful painting of St. Matthew being appointed and anointed, like chosen, like I suppose in the show chosen when our Lord goes, oh, follow me.
00:31:03.000 I know Delafield goes, oh, he's not from Essex, but you know.
00:31:05.000 And Matthew was a tax collector, I believe.
00:31:07.000 So they say.
00:31:09.000 And in this picture, he's depicted as being sat around with a bunch of other taxpayers and near-do-wells.
00:31:13.000 And at the end of the table, rather like this one that you and I are at, Charlie, surrounded by him, look like they're playing games of chance.
00:31:18.000 I believe it's Saint Matthew at the end, although it's one of those paintings where there's some discussion over which one is Matthew.
00:31:23.000 The one I think is Matthew, when the painting's called the anointing of Matthew or the appointing of Matthew, I can't remember which, probably appointing, I suppose.
00:31:30.000 Like one of the geezers is sat at the end like that. 1.00
00:31:33.000 And I think that's the one that's Matthew, that one.
00:31:36.000 What?
00:31:37.000 Who's getting appointed?
00:31:39.000 And you will understand his reluctance to be appointed in this holy mission when you see that the next of the, they're not a triptych, but they are three paintings hung together, is Matthew with Gabriel writing his Testament and gospel.
00:31:53.000 And then the final image is Matthew being flayed, which means skinned alive for his faith and for his Christianity.
00:32:00.000 I thought, if we believed as he believed, how could it be that you could have an institution like the Vatican and not have a revolution?
00:32:08.000 If we believed as he believed, how could you have us going to church every Sunday praying, teaching our kids, reading the word, and not have the revolution?
00:32:16.000 Or at least the way made straight for the return of our Savior.
00:32:19.000 If we believed only as Paul believed, as Peter believed, as Barnabas believed, as Mary believed, as Stephen believed.
00:32:26.000 This is the church that excites and interests me.
00:32:28.000 And I know it comes at a high cost.
00:32:30.000 And I know what our Lord said to, is it Anias when Paul's on his way to Damascus?
00:32:35.000 Paul's coming.
00:32:36.000 I've chosen him.
00:32:37.000 He's going to suffer greatly for my name.
00:32:40.000 So go over there and sort his head out.
00:32:42.000 He's gone blind.
00:32:42.000 He's had a little bit of a shock on the way here.
00:32:45.000 Paraphrasing.
00:32:46.000 But what I feel is that it was a threshold that was passed, Charlie, that I was still withheld in the new age, and I still bear the scars of the new age.
00:32:54.000 I was going to ask you about that, but I wanted to be polite.
00:32:56.000 She's Durga. 0.99
00:32:57.000 Durga is a great goddess.
00:32:59.000 This is a title I've had for some years now, of course, prior to coming to the state.
00:33:02.000 I mean, why'd you decide to get a tattoo of her?
00:33:04.000 Because Durga is a, she's female goddess energy, and I have a wife and I have two daughters, and I was commemorating and celebrating the power of my wife, Laura, and of my daughters, Mabel and Peggy.
00:33:18.000 Durga, in one of her aspects, rides a tiger.
00:33:20.000 And I like the idea of my daughters and my wife being powerful, strong women who know how to marshal the energy that God gave them. 0.57
00:33:28.000 And of course, there is no God but him.
00:33:30.000 And I surrender and bow down to Christ Jesus, and I disavow all false idols.
00:33:34.000 But the false idols that concern me most are not those that emerge out of Hinduism or even Islam, although I'm sure you'll hear rhetoric here to the contrary.
00:33:41.000 No, it is the false idols that emerge from our culture, the ones that the graven images that we stare at day after day, hour after hour, the endless, endless effluvia and limitless flow of filth and pornography that denigrates and lowers us all.
00:33:58.000 It's the false idols within our culture that I fear most.
00:34:01.000 But, you know, Peter took the Jews and Paul took the Gentiles. 0.93
00:34:05.000 We're all going to get called to different missions.
00:34:07.000 And I don't claim to know very much.
00:34:09.000 I think about myself all the time and I don't understand myself yet.
00:34:12.000 So how would I know anything about anyone or anything else?
00:34:14.000 But what I would say is it's the false idols in the culture that I fear most, that want us deadened and distracted, Charlie.
00:34:22.000 I totally agree.
00:34:23.000 It's, look, modernity has made us materially wealthier, but spiritually poor.
00:34:29.000 And that is modernity.
00:34:31.000 And we are seeing a reckoning of that while people want to return to a tradition.
00:34:36.000 We only have a couple minutes.
00:34:36.000 I've got to get you on stage.
00:34:38.000 Really?
00:34:38.000 Yes.
00:34:39.000 This is just the warm-up act.
00:34:40.000 Oh, man.
00:34:41.000 I'm feeling nervous.
00:34:43.000 How many thousand?
00:34:45.000 It'll calm you down.
00:34:46.000 Give me that from my pocket.
00:34:47.000 Yes.
00:34:49.000 No, that's there.
00:34:50.000 7,000 people for you.
00:34:52.000 Oh, Charlie.
00:34:53.000 Russell, your show is called Stay Free.
00:34:55.000 Yes, I'm Rumble.
00:34:57.000 Are you, do you believe you are freer and more joyful since giving your life to Jesus?
00:35:02.000 Oh, man, there's no question.
00:35:03.000 Even with the really difficult things that happened, like being told that our baby might be born dead, being offered late-term abortion, him being born and requiring surgery when he was 12 weeks old, turning into the glorious little boy that he is now.
00:35:16.000 The reputational attacks, the exhaustion, the confronting with the things that I have done wrong in my life.
00:35:22.000 I've never been so free.
00:35:24.000 In obedience and surrender to him, there is perfect freedom.
00:35:27.000 There is no freedom out there.
00:35:29.000 There's no freedom in hedonism, in Epicureanism, in the constant devouring of concupians and endless pleasures.
00:35:36.000 There's no freedom there.
00:35:37.000 It's an illusion.
00:35:38.000 But it's a powerful illusion.
00:35:39.000 I'm not suggesting I couldn't fall for it again a thousand times.
00:35:42.000 I have to stay very close to Christ Jesus.
00:35:44.000 And to do that, I need Christians everywhere around me.
00:35:47.000 And perhaps that's what fuels my evangelism.
00:35:49.000 And so, yeah, Russell, what has worked for you?
00:35:52.000 Every believer is different.
00:35:53.000 Is it Christian music?
00:35:54.000 Is it reading the Bible?
00:35:55.000 Is it going to church?
00:35:56.000 What keeps you close to Jesus?
00:35:58.000 Because you're right.
00:35:59.000 You're constantly attacked.
00:36:01.000 By the way, Satan, I believe, has singled you out for quite a while.
00:36:04.000 And you better believe the enemy's not happy that now you're proclaiming Jesus in front of millions of people.
00:36:09.000 And, you know, we as believers believe Satan is real.
00:36:12.000 Satan is active.
00:36:13.000 Satan attacks.
00:36:14.000 Satan targets.
00:36:15.000 Satan is literally in Hebrew.
00:36:17.000 Satan means the prosecutor, the deceiver.
00:36:20.000 So all of what you are going through in the United Kingdom is a satanic attack to try to say, oh, Russell, remember that thing that happened 10 years ago?
00:36:27.000 Try to have you feel guilty and ashamed.
00:36:29.000 Remember, Satan throughout the scriptures would constantly always whisper, whether it be in the garden or elsewhere, about, oh, you need to be held back by what you once did.
00:36:38.000 But Christ sets you free.
00:36:40.000 And so, knowing that, what keeps you spiritually active and alive?
00:36:48.000 You know, of course I am cowed by what I've done, but I'm attacked for things that I have not done.
00:36:53.000 I recognize that my objectification and exploitation was wrong, and I accept the forgiveness of my Lord, and I pray for the forgiveness of people that have been negatively impacted by my selfish conduct, by my greedy deduct, by my low conduct.
00:37:08.000 I was told this by this brilliant Vietnam vet in your great nation.
00:37:11.000 Everything's a burning bush.
00:37:13.000 Everything's a burning.
00:37:14.000 See, he said it like this.
00:37:16.000 Everything's a burning bush, is how he said it.
00:37:19.000 That's how he said it.
00:37:21.000 May I ask what you mean, sir?
00:37:23.000 And he said that Moses could have encountered Yahweh at any time.
00:37:27.000 It could have happened at any time.
00:37:28.000 Take off your shoes, For you are on sacred ground, that all things are incandescent with the Lord, yet not immolated.
00:37:35.000 All of us burn with the holy light of the Holy Father.
00:37:38.000 All of us feel the living presence of the Holy Spirit, and all of us benefit from the sacrifice of Christ Jesus, and we may know eternal life in Him.
00:37:45.000 We access Him here in this moment.
00:37:48.000 Let this moment be a burning bush to all of us.
00:37:51.000 Let us comfort one another.
00:37:52.000 Let us love one another.
00:37:53.000 Let us serve one another as He has served us.
00:37:55.000 Amen.
00:37:56.000 So beautiful.
00:37:58.000 Thanks, Russell.
00:37:59.000 I'll say in closing: you have millions of people praying for you.
00:38:03.000 Thanks.
00:38:04.000 The Christian journey is not necessarily easy, but you can rest that Jesus is with you throughout every step of it.
00:38:11.000 And you'll say this: your whole thing is freedom.
00:38:13.000 Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
00:38:16.000 Thank you.
00:38:17.000 We'll leave you with that teaching.
00:38:18.000 How great is Russell Brand, everybody?
00:38:19.000 Give it up for Russell.
00:38:20.000 Thank you.
00:38:20.000 Thank you.
00:38:25.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:38:26.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:38:29.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.