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00:02:40.000Well, Charlie, when it comes down to these bioweapons, you know, normally, if we hadn't lived through the events of the last few years, I would be so willing to just say, of course, these are simply, you know, diagnostic testing centers.
00:02:55.000But what we've learned about the NIH's funding and what they were doing through EcoHealth Alliance in Wuhan, right?
00:03:02.000That has given me to the point where I do not trust these people anymore.
00:03:06.000I don't trust them when it comes to their statements.
00:03:08.000I don't trust them when it comes to them saying that they're not conducting shady research in foreign laboratories like we saw them do in Wuhan.
00:03:15.000So the question then becomes, why was it?
00:03:19.000I thought this entire thing was some ridiculous Russian or Chinese disinfo campaign, try to take the heat off of Wuhan, try to, you know, throw some of the Iraq war rhetoric back in our faces.
00:03:28.000And then all of a sudden, Victoria Newland comes out and says, well, we have to be very careful about letting any of these research materials get into the hands of the Russians.
00:03:38.000And the minute she said that, the entire narrative shifted.
00:03:41.000Because wait a minute, if what's in there is active, this isn't just stuff that's on ice or stuff that's buried deep underground, that there is something in there that could potentially be used.
00:03:49.000And then Marco Rubio again responds saying, well, if something was used, you know, it would be by the Russians.
00:03:54.000Of course, of course, it'd be used by the Russians.
00:03:55.000So, you know, let me get this straight.
00:03:57.000What exactly is the magical thinking of the mainstream media now?
00:04:01.000And I've seen all these like debunk pieces that have come out.
00:04:03.000It's this magical thinking that says there's no bioweapons, but even if there are, it's definitely Russians.
00:04:21.000And we do know that there was tons of money going abroad through Peter Dasik and the EcoHealth Alliance, to the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
00:04:30.000And so Russia is saying these are the United States.
00:04:32.000We don't trust Russia at face value, obviously.
00:04:35.000But what is the way we can actually find out the truth here?
00:04:37.000Look, the way to actually find out the truth, and it's amazing to me that people attacked Tulsi Gabbard for saying this.
00:04:44.000She said, why don't you declare a ceasefire and actually get investigators in, international investigators in from these bioweapons agencies around the world.
00:04:55.000They work with the UN, send them in, let them secure what is ever in these places, right?
00:05:00.000You'd think that both sides would have a vested interest since they both have soldiers in the field.
00:05:04.000One side, obviously, Ukraine has civilians in the field.
00:05:06.000They both have vested interests in not allowing bioweapons to be released into the public space, released into the field.
00:05:14.000And so why not call for a ceasefire the way they tried to establish these humanitarian corridors, set up essential ceasefire zones around these laboratories or research facilities or whatever word that we're supposed to use to call them, right?
00:05:28.000And just bring people in, understand what's going on in there, and maybe they can be released, maybe they can be incinerated, maybe they can be dealt with appropriately by the appropriate authorities.
00:05:39.000I hear everyone telling us to just shut up about this or Mitt Romney screaming that Tulsi Gabbard is somehow treasonous for even suggesting that we do something that would be a constructive step forward, which, oh, by the way, right, is erring on the side of caution the same way that we did with the chemical weapons in Syria.
00:05:58.000So, Jack, let me ask you, just, you know, we haven't really done a lot of the play-by-play of what's happening in Ukraine on this program because it's changing so quickly and there's so much misinformation and disinformation.
00:06:20.000There is a theory that there might be a peace deal brokered, maybe an east and west Ukraine basically created or Russia basically absorbs the eastern part of Ukraine.
00:06:29.000What do you think is a realistic off-ramp here?
00:06:32.000Or are we going to see potentially a multi-month or multi-year conflict in Ukraine?
00:06:36.000Well, look, you know, there's been a lot of talk about this.
00:06:39.000You know, as you stated, that on the ground, it is a constantly changing situation.
00:06:43.000Look, strategically speaking, in terms of eastern Ukraine, Russia does now, and Russian forces have occupied pretty much all of the strategic locations in eastern Ukraine, the city of Kherson, the areas around Donetsk and Lugansk, obviously up north from Crimea.
00:06:59.000And then there is that port city of Mariupol where you have this Azov battalion and Ukrainian forces that are maintaining the city, but it has been completely encircled by Russian forces.
00:07:10.000And some news that we're going to be breaking later today is that it looks like the Russian forces are actually trying to bisect the city, cut it in half by pushing through to create a corridor, which they claim they want to get civilians out, but I'm sure they're also going to be sending their own military forces in.
00:07:23.000Now, when it comes to Kiev, again, they're building around their encirclement of the city.
00:07:27.000If you go read World War II history, you read your Russian, read your Russian military battles, Russia's greatest and most glorious moment in combat that they refer to is the Battle of Berlin under Marshal Zhukov.
00:07:41.000It was 2.5 million men surrounded the city of Berlin, 6,000 tanks.
00:07:46.000The tanks were sent in first as battering rams to soften up the defenses, to smash their way through, and then the troops poured in.
00:07:53.000That's the exact same type of strategy that you're seeing now being used or attempted to be set up around Kiev.
00:07:59.000Now, obviously, on a much smaller scale.
00:08:01.000And also, they're trying to do this in a way they don't want to completely destroy the city because, again, they keep claiming that they're liberating the city, right?
00:08:09.000So, I think what you're really seeing, though, is they've got the on-the-ground stuff in the East when it comes to Kiev.
00:08:15.000That's not necessarily a military objective for them, but what it is is a political objective.
00:08:20.000They want to see a point where they want to bring the regime to the point where not maybe not so much that it'll completely collapse, but come to the point where they do have to come to a negotiation deal and a negotiation deal with Zelensky and with the powers that be in Ukraine.
00:08:34.000And by doing so, they want to be the ones with the most possible leverage.
00:08:38.000And the way they do that is by having as much hold on the ground as they can when they get to that point.
00:08:43.000So, let me ask you really quick: there's reports that show that Russia is asking China for support.
00:08:51.000So, the United States came out late last night and said, you know, gave this big briefing and said that it looks like Russia is asking for military support from China.
00:09:04.000You know, I'm not really sure entirely what the specifics of that are.
00:09:07.000But when it comes down to it, you know, it's very obvious that China is underwriting this entire invasion in the sense that they are backstopping Russia when it comes to the financial side of things.
00:09:17.000Because if Russia is losing these oil sales, whether they, you know, cut off to the United States, which seems to be happening, the cutoff to, by the way, oil sales to Europe have continued, right?
00:09:27.000Russian gas is flowing to Europe right now today as much as it ever did, 100% through those pipelines.
00:09:33.000But anything that does get cut off in terms of sanctions, it's going to be picked up by China.
00:09:38.000So whether or not China is providing direct military assistance remains to be seen, but we certainly know that they are providing that financial underwriting of this entire thing.
00:09:46.000So, Jack, what's happening on the right right now?
00:09:49.000I'm seeing a fracturing of people that are getting very nasty towards anyone that dares questions military involvement.
00:09:54.000Well, I think you're really seeing that split between the neoconservatives and the populists, right?
00:09:58.000And you're seeing some people say, you know, the United States needs to do more, like Mitt Romney saying that we need to provide fighter jets.
00:10:03.000And you're seeing other people saying, hey, this isn't our war.
00:10:05.000And also that would start World War III.
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00:11:30.000So I want to ask you, I'm going to play a tape here, Jack, and I want your thoughts on it.
00:11:34.000The great one, Mark Levin, who I have a lot of respect for, and he's a very good friend, had a rant last night on life, liberty, and Levin.
00:11:41.000And I don't think we see this particular issue the same way, but disagreement is not only healthy.
00:11:46.000It's part of what makes us human, not automatons and robots.
00:11:50.000Levin says there is a Putin wing of the Republican Party, and he says that he has debunked the bioweapons completely of being in Ukraine.
00:11:59.000Let's play Cut 14, and I would like your response to it, Jack.
00:12:02.000Of course, the Putin wing of the Republican Party and the Putin wing of the media and the Putin wing of the Democrat Party, they're all over it.
00:12:09.000Now, those are old Soviet locations that the United States has located and has been trying to deal with.
00:12:15.000We're not developing biochemical weapons in the Ukraine.
00:12:19.000What is it about these so-called American firsters in the end who are really American lasters if you think about it?
00:12:27.000Yeah, I mean, it's really interesting that he kind of puts this in, and you do see this with people who spent a lot of time on air during the Cold War, that they're still kind of looking at through that perspective.
00:12:41.000But that being said, you know, it isn't a question of who developed the weapons first, right?
00:12:46.000You know, we can, the time for that discussion can come later.
00:12:49.000I think the more active discussion, and I think everyone agrees that this started with Soviet bioweapons.
00:12:55.000I don't think anybody's saying that it didn't.
00:12:56.000Even the Russians aren't saying that, right?
00:12:58.000We're saying is that we are providing funding, but the point is, it's not the United States necessarily that's doing it, but the United States could play a very important role here in actually saying, hey, let's go do something about this.
00:13:11.000Maybe we could be the mediators on the ground if Russia, you know, probably wouldn't let us do this, but you'd have the ability to say, let's do this ceasefire.
00:13:19.000You can have U.S. officials be part of this, not Peter Dashak, by the way, but actually send in serious scientists to be part of it and then go in and figure out what actually is in these biolabs and then put it under lock and key or set it on fire so that it can never be released.
00:13:34.000This is in the middle of an active war zone and you're talking and people are saying there are bioweapons on the ground.
00:13:41.000And I don't understand why Mark has so much of a problem with simply just stating that fact.
00:13:47.000Yeah, look, this is from theblaze.com, which hosts one of Mark's shows.
00:13:52.000It says this, quote, there are indeed biological research facilities in Ukraine that have been funded by the United States government.
00:13:58.000We don't have any way to know whether these facilities were conducting research that was intended to produce weapons or not, but we do know that if the pathogens housed in these facilities escaped, they'd be as deadly as an intentionally produced bioweapon.
00:14:09.000So that is the United States we know is funding that.
00:14:12.000So Jack, here's where I'm a little bit concerned is that, you know, the right is fracturing into different camps.
00:14:19.000You've said they've always been there.
00:14:23.000Basically, it's just kind of revealing this.
00:14:25.000But it seems as if even the most hawkish interventionists, the people that really want us to get involved, that really want us to saber rattle, if you will, they stop short of wanting to put troops on the ground, which, of course, I don't support and you don't support.
00:14:40.000Can you effectively even get involved in something if you're not willing to see it all the way through?
00:14:44.000Well, remember this, what they're trying to do here, and you've heard people say, Hillary Clinton came out and said this a couple of weeks ago on MSNBC, and I see these neoconservatives being complete lockstep with her.
00:14:56.000They want to turn Ukraine into Afghanistan.
00:14:58.000They want to go to the Charlie Wilson's War playbook and turn this into a situation where they make it a quagmire for the Russians.
00:15:06.000They say, look, we find a force, and maybe it's this Azov battalion.
00:15:09.000Yeah, they've got some, you know, naughty symbols on their uniforms, but we can work with them.
00:15:16.000We can work with them and we'll give them Stinger missiles and man pads and arm-held missile launchers.
00:15:37.000That's really smart, Jack, to turn Ukraine into Afghanistan, which of course would become a, let's say, a client of every major defense contractor and also a great distraction, a smokescreen, if you will, to try to make us not focus on domestic issues.
00:15:53.000I mean, Jack, look at all the attention that we focused on Ukraine in the last couple of weeks.
00:15:57.000Every minute, every breath we spend on that is a second we can't talk about our own domestic problems, our open border, our drug overdosing, inflation, gas prices, families falling apart.
00:16:08.000Why are our priorities so backwards and why is war so alluring to the public?
00:16:13.000Look, you know, if it leads, it leads, right?
00:16:16.000They're not telling you about the wars that are going on in Yemen.
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00:18:03.000We're going to get to him in just a second.
00:18:05.000We're going to talk about our amazing conversation we had just, I think it was like a week and a half ago.
00:18:11.000And I have been stopped by more people in more places talking about that conversation than almost anything I have ever done in the last 10 years.
00:18:20.000I went to Calvary Chapel, Chino Hills to speak with the amazing Jack Hibbs about the great reset.
00:18:27.000Every time I go to Jack's church, it's just an overwhelming experience.
00:18:30.000Thousands of people show up and he's one of the greatest pastors of our entire generation, one of the healthiest churches and strongest churches that I have an opportunity to visit to and speak to.
00:18:40.000We had a dialogue about the great reset that has gone totally viral and has just skyrocketed on both YouTube and Facebook and Rumble and every platform.
00:18:48.000And so we have Jack Hibbs right now to help us kind of unpack that and kind of tell our audience a little about the success of that conversation and also dive into some current events here.
00:18:56.000Jack Hibbs, senior pastor at Calvary Chapel Chino Hills.
00:19:35.000And look, you and I are believers in God's prophetic word.
00:19:39.000These events that are taking place in the world right now, people ought not to waste their attention on the fact that they need to focus on the reality that God's word and God's plan has anticipated these things.
00:19:51.000You know, the remarkable thing, Charlie, is you and I are watching some major global players being set up that are actually referenced in the Bible.
00:20:04.000Yeah, well, first of all, we, as evangelical believers that studied the scripture, the number one thing that we're looking at outside of the return of Jesus for us is the book of Ezekiel.
00:20:14.000Charlie, the book of Ezekiel, chapter 38, describes a leader that goes by the title of Gog G-O-G.
00:20:22.000And it's interesting in the Hebrew that he is both a political and military leader.
00:20:27.000Now, I'm not saying that Putin is that person.
00:20:30.000There may be somebody in there, possibly is somebody behind him.
00:20:33.000My point is this, the reason why that's even on the table to discuss is because Gog is the prince of Rosh, Meshach, and Tubal.
00:20:42.000And those ancient tribal names out of Genesis chapter 10 show us exactly where that is.
00:20:47.000And that is the region that's north of Israel, north of the Caucasus Mountains, that goes all the way up to the north, as far north as you can go.
00:20:59.000A land that is not Soviet Union anymore, by the way.
00:21:02.000It goes back to the ancient biblical name, Rosh, Meshach, and Tubal.
00:21:16.000Another thing, Charlie, real quick, is that we're keeping our eye on Damascus.
00:21:19.000The Bible says in Isaiah chapter 17 that Damascus will experience a fire within its walls.
00:21:29.000And it says that once this fire takes place in Damascus, it will be once and for all obliterated as a city, and it will never, again, ever be inhabited.
00:21:42.000So you look at the Syrian conflict, what's happening in the north, which Russia has its fingers in there.
00:21:47.000You look at what's going on in Ukraine.
00:21:50.000You look at Russia's recent threats against Israel.
00:21:54.000We know this from scripture, that at some point in time, the dominoes will be set up in such a way that Russia will become a threat.
00:22:02.000The book of Ezekiel says everyone will question its actions against Israel, but the world will do nothing about it.
00:22:11.000In fact, the Bible says in Ezekiel 38 that God will arise at that time, and he will destroy the invading Russian forces and the coalition of five other nations, and that the world will begin to know that I am God, is what the scripture says.
00:22:46.000So, Jack, I want to ask you about Ukraine and how we view that prism through the great reset, the tensions that are involved with that.
00:22:53.000Because I think one of the reasons why our conversation, Jack, went so viral and was so meaningful to people is that things started to make sense.
00:23:00.000They started to say, oh, so that's why they're doing that.
00:23:04.000That's why they're, because the otherwise confusing, I think, became clear.
00:23:07.000So help us, Jack, from your perspective, from a Western standpoint, help us understand what is happening in Ukraine right now while also understanding the foundation of what these elites who do not believe in God, who are highly secular, that what's really happening and playing out in Ukraine.
00:23:50.000But we may laugh at it, but they believe it.
00:23:54.000And so it's very much a doctrine of what we've seen throughout human history.
00:23:59.000If you can create a destabilization, create a problem, create an issue whereby you believe that you have the answer, but you're going to bring forth that answer with certain things that you are going to want to have in your favor.
00:24:13.000And so what people need to realize is that Ukraine, and maybe on the grand scale, Eric had mentioned the spiritual aspect of things down at NRB.
00:24:25.000That is so true because behind all of the global players and behind a hand group, a handful of manipulators, they would see themselves, is the spiritual powers behind these things.
00:24:39.000But this destabilization, I wonder, Charlie, and this is just a theory.
00:25:36.000I've got connections on the ground, body cams of privateers that are warring there.
00:25:43.000And I've seen images and they don't make sense.
00:25:47.000There's certain things that are being shown on TV, Charlie, that we know for a fact that are old buildings that have had the doors removed off the hinges, the frames have been removed from the window panes.
00:25:58.000And these things, many of these things have been staged.
00:26:01.000No, it just means something's going on.
00:26:04.000And that's why you see even in the conservative Republican of the conservative world, there's an argument and the debate back and forth about policy, about doctrine, what we ought to do about it.
00:26:19.000So I believe that if you stick your nose in the Bible and know that God is very, very intimately involved in all these end-time events, I have peace.
00:27:17.000Well, Jack, I think that's really smart because there might be a strategy to try to provoke us into conflict to try to have us, to lure us in.
00:27:26.000But I will say, Jack, I don't have a lot of confidence in that military might after Afghanistan, right?
00:27:30.000I mean, after the widespread inability to execute on very, very basic things, it's very, very murky and it's very unclear, really, what the aim and the ambition here is.
00:27:44.000Because if Russia, I would imagine Russia has the military capacity to take all this over a lot quicker.
00:27:51.000Maybe there's another side of the story here, but we have to be wise here, Jack, because getting into a kinetic conflict with Russia, with the West completely involved, that would be something that I don't think a lot of Americans are necessarily prepared for.
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00:29:22.000I want to play a tape here from our conversation at Calvary Chapel Chino Hills.
00:29:25.000Every single seat was filled, but it was part of this kind of dialogue where it says, should we give up just because the great reset is here?
00:29:41.000In fact, listen, the Christian approach to all of these things must be continuous engagement until either A, we die or Jesus returns.
00:29:53.000And we've got to make sure that we are being that salt and light, that we are being that influence of good against evil.
00:30:02.000And we can't just pull the sheets over our head and hide out.
00:30:05.000Look, the beautiful thing about America is that you can't find America's creation in the Bible.
00:30:11.000The greatest power on earth the world has ever seen, the greatest economy, the greatest liberty, and at one time, the greatest propagator of biblical truth is not even mentioned in the Bible.
00:30:22.000It means that the future for us could still be yet written.
00:30:27.000America is so unique from its founding, and I pray that we could experience a revival, spiritually speaking, a revival.
00:30:35.000It's possible that our nation wakes up and gets back to its constitutional foundation and demand that our leaders, this is what I believe every Christian ought to do.
00:30:46.000And I think, Charlie, we have shied away from it, and that sins on us.
00:30:50.000And that is Christians have somehow swallowed the lie about the separation of church and state trash.
00:30:56.000It's nowhere in any U.S. founding document or federal document.
00:33:31.000And the great thing is, Charlie, with whatever we stand for that's biblically true, and we lose the battle like a recall here in California, you know, it's great.
00:33:42.000I didn't cry about it because I did the right thing.