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00:01:30.000And now there's this whole debate about something that really candidly should be put to rest, and that is what caused the debacle on Tuesday, the historic.
00:01:40.000Midterm loss, and we need to again be honest about that.
00:01:44.000Now, I think there is a tendency and a temptation to overcomplicate things.
00:01:49.000Yes, there were issues of corruption, yes, there were issues of whether or not the economy was rip roaring.
00:01:55.000By the way, we got a great economic number today on the employment.
00:01:57.000Don't take it, yeah, we'll take it a little late, but we'll take it.
00:02:00.000We want good things for this country, uh, you know, and they're trying to point it at tariffs, they're trying to point the finger at anything, anything other than the war in Iran, and that is foolishness.0.95
00:02:11.000And that's why we call today's stream Say No to Neocons.0.81
00:02:22.000They got the one thing that they've always wanted because so many people, they dreamed about getting their war with Iran some way for 20 years.
00:02:31.000And they don't even have the common decency to be grateful to Trump, unfortunately, for going for it, or to own up to, oh, yes, this was politically catastrophic that it happened.
00:02:44.000And it's interesting because the same usual suspects are out there saying, guys, it's actually all JD Vance's fault.
00:02:52.000If we just would have warred harder, if we just would have turned Iran into a parking lot and never pursued peace, got in and got out, and we would have been done six months ago.0.99
00:03:04.000I think that is the height of idiocy.0.99
00:03:08.000Do you realize that Iran is bigger than Syria and Iraq combined?1.00
00:03:23.000Now, again, you can say, and I appreciate this perspective because it's honest, that we had a moral obligation to go into Iran to make sure they didn't have nukes to save the Western world because you genuinely believe they were going to use those against Israel and against Europe and ultimately against America.0.98
00:03:42.000You can say that, and if you believe it, I will accept it.0.96
00:03:45.000I may disagree, but at least I will accept it.
00:03:48.000But now, To come in after the fact and point the finger at JD Vance, as Mark Thiessen is doing, calling it a stunning act of disloyalty, that I cannot abide.
00:04:44.000Maybe we lose Louisiana, lose more Senate seats just for this, lose Nebraska.
00:04:48.000And he would be writing the new headline where it's like President Trump, he had to be a big tough guy, had to go way harder than anyone needed.
00:04:58.000He would have said either some losses are worth it or he would have just said, like, the president's inept bungling of this war by just he used too much force because he had to show he was a big tough guy.
00:05:06.000We could have fought this war from the air and easily won it with a limited thing.
00:05:47.000While the shared NBC exit poll data shows the Iran war ranked fourth among the issues called crucial 34 and foreign policy low as a top issue, the same poll found that 74% of voters said it was crucial or a major factor in their vote.
00:06:11.000So, 74% of Americans said it was crucial or a major factor, and we lost 63% of them.
00:06:17.000So, it's true that a minority of voters who voted Republican do not share these views, by and large.
00:06:24.000But the numbers of voters who share these views was nowhere near enough to keep Republicans from being wiped out across the country.
00:06:31.000What you have to understand is that we are playing such a slim margin game.0.56
00:06:35.000And every year, when we import millions of more people that don't like our values and don't vote like native born Americans, They vote in block, by the way.0.92
00:06:43.000Indians vote in block like second to black women.1.00
00:06:46.000So, all those H 1Bs in Texas, they're all just voting Democrat like 70% clip.1.00
00:07:05.000And for all of these people who say, oh, we just need to war harder, we needed to flatten Iran, it was the tariff, stupid.1.00
00:07:14.000They don't know what the heck they're talking about.1.00
00:07:15.000And if we take the wrong lessons from Tuesday, we're screwed.
00:07:19.000Not just for the next six years, not just for the next 10 years, but it will be generational.
00:07:25.000They want to take it back to 2014 when there was like no solid future for this party and it had no message that resonated with young people, no message that resonated with middle America.
00:07:37.000They just want to rewind the clock to a time where we were like a doomed minority party and it doesn't have to be that way.
00:07:43.000And now they're just trying to spin out of something that.
00:07:47.000Entirely for one day, basically, we pivoted back to 20 the Bush era GOP and we got punished like the Bush era GOP.
00:07:57.000David Shore, a left wing data analyst, he's had a lot of good posts on X about what drove this, even though he's liberal.
00:08:03.000He pointed out the day before the Iran war started, Donald Trump's approval on gas prices was 49%, which was higher than his approval on the economy, cost of living, anything else.
00:08:55.000And so all of these people who cheer led for a disastrously, catastrophically unpopular war.
00:09:02.000A war that I could tell you day in and day out.
00:09:04.000And many of you complained to me over email saying I was not having the president's back.
00:09:10.000These are the same people now pointing the finger at the one man who pursued peace in this conflict, which, by the way, was massively popular.
00:09:19.000Do you realize that the MOU was favorable by 40 points?
00:11:16.000It's a little bit of a blurb, of a paragraph here, but bear with me because it's important to understand.
00:11:22.000You know, I go back to this quote when President Trump said he could stand on Fifth or Sixth Avenue, I never remember which, and he could shoot somebody and they'd still vote for him.0.62
00:11:40.000But this is what's so interesting because he was right.
00:11:43.000His bond with the electorate was so strong.
00:11:48.000If you look at Trump approval, this is from Short written in Vox, both from 2016 to 2020, and then from 2024 until the end of 2025, it was really quite stable.
00:11:59.000Obviously, it was the highest at the beginning of his terms and went down after a month or two.
00:12:03.000But then, for most of Trump's first term, he was hovering around the mid 40s in our data, and it rarely, barely moved in response to events.
00:12:11.000And it was much the same for the first year of Trump's second term, which was worrisome because he's a Democrat.
00:12:17.000Trump had all these scandals, but at the end of the day, the line didn't move.
00:12:22.000A good day would be like, oh, Trump's approval is down three tenths of a percentage point.
00:13:01.000And yeah, you could blame it on the cost of living.
00:13:03.000Remember, all of these issues were already riding very tense.
00:13:07.000And there was a lot of hope placed in President Trump that he was the chosen one, that this was our last chance at getting this right.
00:13:14.000This was our last chance at saving the republic, our last chance at mass deportations and the cost of living coming down and the economy booming and the golden age for America.
00:13:23.000We were going to breathe 20, 50, 75, 100 years of new life into this republic.
00:13:28.000Just on the back of one man and a massive political mandate that came after 2024.
00:13:34.000But these issues were bubbling under the surface.
00:13:37.000It was still too expensive after four years of Biden.
00:13:40.000The tariffs, yes, I actually am a big supporter of the president's tariff regime.
00:13:45.000I think we've been getting played for suckers for generations when it came to international trade.
00:13:51.000We were basically the only country in the world that felt we were morally incapable of fighting back and doing reciprocal tariffs.
00:13:58.000It's also a great tool of coercion and driving peace and getting concessions on the global stage.
00:14:05.000And it can be a great tool for onshoring.
00:14:07.000All of these things make tariffs great, but they do cause some chaos and some disruption.
00:14:13.000And when you're coming out of four years of Joe Biden's disastrous economic policy and inflation, tensions are riding very high.
00:14:21.000And the electorate is willing to put up with so much of that for a time.
00:14:25.000But then, when you go into Iran and the gas prices immediately shoot up, It's everything else that's been holding back, everything else that you've been waiting for, everything else that you've been willing to be patient about.
00:15:13.000They came out and said, it's time for regime change.
00:15:15.000The Iranian people need to rise up and claim their freedom.
00:15:18.000That's what was happening day one of the Iran strikes, day two of the Iran strikes.
00:15:22.000And it was only after that that we heard that the imminent nuclear breakout was the justification for it.
00:15:28.000And even if you think that's true, even if you really strongly believe it, and the president seems to believe it, and he probably knows more than us, that is not what the American public believes.
00:16:08.000I'm seeing that there are more defections than there have been in previous years.
00:16:12.000Yeah, Andrew and I and everyone on this team, we did get out the vote efforts, which means we did door knocking, which means we did calls and texts.
00:16:20.000We interact with our student chapters through Turning Point all of the time.
00:16:23.000There are a lot of angry people out there who voted Trump in 24.
00:16:27.000There are some of them who just say, I'm disappointed, but I understand I'm still going to vote.
00:16:31.000There are some who say, I'm not voting this time.
00:16:34.000There are some people who are so angry and say, I am never voting for a Republican again.
00:16:39.000And the independents, those people are real.
00:17:05.000But we have to be honest about the fact that it also delivered us a historic electoral defeat at the ballot box, the likes of which we have not seen in Republican politics since 1973.
00:17:17.000Maybe even before that, according to some.
00:17:23.000And here's what I will say for those who are saying that JD Vance is not being loyal, if being honest about the main cause of Tuesday's historic loss is disloyalty, then just imagine what they're actually asking him to do to be full of lies or to be silent.
00:17:43.000Refusing to reckon with the truth or to tell American people that we hear you will only deepen the credibility chasm.
00:17:51.000Got to be loyal to the country and loyal to the truth if we're going to get out of this mess.
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00:19:52.000What's the analysis that can yield new insights?
00:19:54.000And look, I actually think that this has a lot to do with the ongoing debate over the past two years on the right.
00:20:04.000And in particular, if we take what Charlie was talking about in the months before his death, he was trying to persuade the president of three things.
00:20:14.000Focus on kitchen table economics, make the cost of living easier for young people to start getting ahead, and avoid a regime change war in Iran.
00:20:25.000And if you look at the exit polling, it's very clear the AP, NBC, any exit pollster, there's a consensus that the three issues where Trump was really just hammered on were the same three issues that Charlie was bringing to the table in this debate in the months before his death, and which in all three cases, Trump and the administration basically disregarded.
00:20:49.000Trump said, the economy is doing great.
00:20:54.000If you don't like what's happening, who cares?0.82
00:21:00.000Young people, there was really no effort to get young people back into the fold, to recruit young people, to try to make sure they were seeing a good future.
00:21:10.000And then obviously, the war compounds all of those concerns.
00:21:13.000Gas prices go up, diesel prices go up.
00:21:39.000And for me, that's the great disappointment.
00:21:41.000It was just bad policymaking, bad focus, bad decisions.
00:21:47.000And look, we live in a democracy, and this is what you get.
00:21:50.000If you don't fulfill your promises, if you're not making sure people's economic fortunes are taken care of, not making people optimistic about the future under your leadership, you're going to get wiped out.
00:22:01.000So let's get into the specific exchange you had.
00:22:04.000So, Ross Douthat, formerly of the New York Times, now at 60 Minutes, he had an article for the Free Press as well, where it's how the new right failed, is how he described it.
00:22:14.000So, the new right, the idea is we've created a new conservative movement.
00:22:19.000It has detached itself from the old, you might call it, Reaganite era.
00:22:24.000Shibboleths, it's not, it's post Bush, it's much more assertive about what government can do, it's much less focused on foreign policy, and it basically argues that failed.
00:22:35.000You pushed back on this, basically saying, No, the new right did not fail, it basically just suffered, in your way of phrasing that, it's connected to the president who is himself not really a member of the new right, he's not really an ideological person in that sense.
00:22:52.000But why don't you build that out for our audience?
00:23:12.000And it's kind of even hard to parse because it's just not supported by the facts.
00:23:18.000And charitably, it depends on how you define new right.
00:23:21.000I think the new right was an intellectual movement of mostly younger conservatives that wanted to buck.
00:23:28.000The old GOP consensus and the issues that were important to them were related to immigration, trade, kind of a skepticism towards regime change wars, an aesthetic movement.
00:23:40.000There's a new design and aesthetic sense that came out of the new right.
00:23:45.000And look, criticisms of the new right are fair.
00:23:47.000I think that tariffs, you know, the new right was really kind of protectionist in nature.
00:23:54.000I think it's absolutely fair to criticize tariffs, to look at the evidence, to say that they actually weren't popular.
00:24:00.000They may not have even worked, even in their own kind of own presumptions.
00:24:05.000I think it's fair to criticize some of the new right aesthetics.
00:24:08.000You had DHS accounts and White House accounts doing these like Zoomer edits of, you know, People in chains getting hauled away by ICE agents.
00:24:18.000Even at the time, I said, hey, this is not good.
00:24:24.000But on the big questions, what Trump's mistakes, and let's say concentrated in the Iran war, gas prices, and the perception of unaffordability that stems from that cluster of war making, global oil markets.
00:24:46.000People's perception of prices at the pump and elsewhere in their lives.
00:24:50.000This was the same mistake that George W. Bush made.
00:24:53.000So, in fact, Trump rejected the new right's ideas where it really mattered.
00:24:59.000And exit pollsters suggest that Trump was wrong, the new right was correct.
00:25:05.000And the real tragedy of the new right is that after the first 90 days, 100 days of the Trump administration, Trump essentially washed his hands of anything new right.
00:25:14.000He said, hey, thanks for being part of the coalition.
00:25:51.000Being in the position that I'm in, is, you know, I've seen the tweets like, I miss Charlie more than ever.
00:25:56.000You know, and goodness, I feel that very intimately.
00:26:00.000And I sort of have always rejected that Charlie could have waved a magic wand and fixed some of the mistakes that were made.
00:26:08.000But I do acknowledge that Charlie did have a line to the White House and he was able to influence and push his worldview.
00:26:17.000You know, ultimately, I don't think he would have been successful when it came to Iran.0.55
00:26:21.000Obviously, that was something the president.
00:26:23.000Deeply was concerned about and wanted to pursue.
00:26:26.000But, I mean, the way that you're framing this is essentially the continuum was cut off at some point and the message was not getting through.
00:26:37.000That influence of the new right, the ideas of the new right that we see, by the way, are broadly popular.
00:26:41.000We've seen voter ID passed in different places.
00:26:45.000We've seen protection of women's sports passed in even Washington.
00:26:48.000You know, your home state of Washington, now there are protestings in the streets of Seattle after a popular referendum on that.
00:26:55.000So, these ideas, I think the silver lining is that they are popular, that we are on the right track, but that communication channel or the continuum didn't make its way after the first 100 days.
00:27:58.000Everyone is obviously, you know, every country, every foreign country, they're going to lobby on the best, on the self-interest of their citizens.
00:28:35.000And I think one thing that I am, one silver lining of the midterms is that.
00:28:41.000I think we can all be a little bit more honest now.
00:28:44.000And if not, like, not that we were dishonest before, but I know everybody was careful with how they presented things, how they phrased things.
00:28:52.000And what Charlie was good at was balancing a coalition, trying to make those calculations of how to, what is the most best persuasive methods.
00:29:02.000And in some cases, that means a more gentle approach.
00:29:06.000At this point, I think we all need to just say cards are on the table.
00:29:17.000And in a sense, leading up to an election, you want to be strategic, you want to be persuasive, you want to be tactful, you want to be mindful of coalitional dynamics.
00:29:29.000And one good thing about getting wiped out is that you have an opportunity to reset and to say, where were we being honest or dishonest with ourselves?
00:30:40.000But listen, that group that now gets to say, I see, I told you so, well, they sort of contributed to.
00:30:46.000The problems with a lot of their listeners probably staying home.
00:30:49.000I'm not blaming anybody here other than ourselves writ large, but what, like, that's, they're really, I guess the question is was that a morally justifiable reaction?
00:31:02.000Were they in the right, or was that something else?
00:31:06.000Yeah, I guess it's the difference between what is the principle at stake, how do you do it, and what are your motivations?
00:31:13.000And so let's take someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene.
00:31:17.000On the basic substance, she was right.0.95
00:31:20.000Skepticism of the Iran war was the correct position, I think, on the merits.1.00
00:31:27.000And as it turns out, it was absolutely the right position in relation to public opinion, democratic opinion.
00:31:34.000However, how she went about it was destructive to not only her own goal, I mean, it wasn't influential on the president in any way, but it was also destructive to the coalition as a whole, which is by proxy destructive to the other principles that are at stake, right?
00:31:53.000You know, the president works on every issue, not just one issue.
00:31:56.000And so I think what someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene did was, you know, right on the merits, narrowly looked in.
00:32:05.000But wrong in the approach, and I think almost certainly wrong on the motivations.0.54
00:32:10.000This was obviously kind of narcissism, attention seeking, you know, podcast launch or whatever she's doing now.
00:32:19.000And so I think that you can say, you know, that's not the right, it wasn't the right way to do it at the time.
00:32:27.000But look, those Iran war critics who broke with the president, setting aside motivation, setting aside how they did it, We're not exactly wrong.
00:32:38.000And so, in a sense, you have to let them take a little victory lap.
00:32:42.000They put it out there, and it turns out that the ultimate decision in a democratic society is the election.
00:32:50.000And so, according to the election, they were right.
00:32:53.000And I don't want to presume to understand MTG's motivations or anything like that.
00:33:47.000What are political initiatives the right could be pursuing that allow us to rebuild that credibility, put that focus where Charlie was saying on the domestic sphere, on helping boost young people, winning them back?
00:34:01.000How can we do that, frankly, without just handing all the wins to the Democrats in the process?
00:34:06.000Yeah, I mean, you have to do the things that voters were mad about and you have to address those concerns, you have to meet them where they are.
00:34:26.000And you can get prices down through monetary policy.
00:34:29.000You can get prices down through on the demand side, on the supply side, on the monetary side.
00:34:35.000A lot of things you could do to make it easier to build houses, to make it easier to afford groceries, easier to afford gas, get people feeling like the economy is moving in the right direction.
00:34:47.000And then on the foreign policy side, you've got to figure out how to wrap up this war in the Middle East.0.76
00:34:54.000In theory, we destroyed Iran's nuclear capabilities.0.83
00:34:57.000We've assassinated the kind of first layer of their leadership.0.93
00:35:02.000There's really no sense in continuing.
00:35:04.000I don't see any possible avenue for a regime change.
00:35:08.000If that was going to happen, it would have happened long ago.
00:35:12.000So you have to figure out how you can extricate yourself.
00:35:15.000And in reality, right now is the perfect time to take the L.
00:35:19.000And I've learned in life as in politics.
00:35:22.000Sometimes you just have to take the L.
00:35:25.000And if you take the L and you take it, you know, standing up straight, you own it, and then you move on, actually, people are more likely to be gracious to you than if you try to save face at all costs.
00:35:39.000You try to hold on, you try to manipulate your way out of it.
00:35:44.000Look, sometimes you screw up, sometimes you lose, sometimes you make a mistake.
00:35:50.000And I think now's the time to just say the people have spoken, we're taking the L, we're getting out.
00:35:57.000Um, we're going to protect America's interests in this way.
00:36:00.000We're going to focus on making sure that the domestic life for Americans of all different racial backgrounds, all different social classes, all different age groups, we're going to make sure that everybody feels like they have a buy in in America and that burritos are not $20.
00:36:20.000To bring up Colvett's favorite, favorite statistic of the year, yeah, it became a stand in for a lot.
00:36:45.000I know it's not enough time, but JD Vance they're now saying it was his fault for the MOU, he prolonged the war, uh, and he's being disloyal to the president.
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00:40:18.000But then, you know, you had the subside of that with H 1B visas and data centers and everything else.
00:40:23.000But what actually do we know about her running mate and his political background?
00:40:27.000I'm concerned that since she has never held a full time job and always quit, that the plan is she's going to quit and we're going to be stuck with him and he might be worse.
00:40:37.000Well, the funniest thing about him is he's a novelist.
00:40:47.000So ahead of the time, a little bit, he wrote a book in 2016 that was about Russia running intelligence ops to elect Republicans in the U.S.
00:40:56.000So I guess he's an OG Russian collusion lunatic.
00:41:56.000And yes, we pretty much were blue for the past eight years under DeWine, but at least we forced DeWine to sign conservative bills like the Heartbeat Bill and others that were conservative.
00:42:10.000Our state legislature will hold the line and that we don't have to actually rely on our rhino conservative or rhino Supreme Court justices.
00:42:20.000Andrew Wilson, your thoughts on Ohio?0.76
00:42:41.000Problems and kind of criticisms that have been moving towards the right in recent years is how open the bigger tent is becoming when it comes to people who want these H 1Bs and other things.0.56
00:42:53.000Vivek also kind of sunk himself quite a bit when he said he wanted to open the state up to new migration coming in.
00:43:11.000And you're going to have to deal with her now for many years.
00:43:15.000And yeah, all you have left is your state legislature lobbying them hard in order to stop some of the more progressive actions that she's going to take.
00:43:36.000I mean, there's a little bit of lifeblood, but it's bad.
00:43:40.000And the fact of the matter is that governors, in many cases, have more power over the state.
00:43:45.000Than the president does of the nation.
00:43:48.000And, you know, governorships are especially important.
00:43:53.000And, you know, we're looking down the barrel of some significant progressive policies, especially in the frontline border state, which Texas was.
00:44:01.000California, being a border state, has always been very pro mass migration coming in and has set aside many sanctuary cities.
00:44:10.000Texas didn't have that problem, it was the frontline, really, massive border state.
00:44:16.000And that's what the major concern is here is that, you know, they're going to roll back the immigration policies.
00:44:23.000And that's exactly what they're going to do.
00:46:02.000So, they started a war we didn't vote on.
00:46:05.000They ran on cracking down on illegal immigration, where instead of going after businesses, they went after individual immigrants, which is, I mean, JD Vance is a Marine.
00:46:17.000I mean, that's like clearing a room when you could drop a 2,000 pound bomb on a building.
00:46:20.000It's just, it's just, it's not necessary.
00:46:27.000It's that it's all the comments from the administration about workers and to continue to bring in H 1Bs for various things.
00:46:39.000You had multiple times where large tech corporations were coming in with H 1B requests.
00:46:46.000You had them not cracking down on the immigration fraud and truck driving.
00:46:53.000You've got a lot of stuff like that at the federal level that.
00:47:11.000That's a mix of very true things that a lot of people are angry about, and we clearly need to pivot.
00:47:17.000But some of that's very interesting, like the H 1B thing or like the truck driving thing, where I'm worried that there was some bad faith action on our own side to demoralize you.
00:47:28.000All right, Michael, I appreciate your comments here, but it's funny.
00:47:32.000You brought up cracking down on illegals trucking.
00:47:34.000They are doing that, they're working on it.1.00
00:47:36.000Yeah, I remember they put off the gun, of course.
00:47:38.000Thousands of them actually were getting it.
00:47:40.000Do you think that by splitting your ticket, that you're.
00:47:43.000You're going to empower more crackdowns on it or less?
00:47:47.000I'm from Indiana, so I'm in an R plus 20 district, and my guys still won.
00:47:52.000So, the effect I had was in not writing the 500 postcards for Get Out the Vote.
00:47:59.000My individual vote at my level doesn't matter much because it's so heavily R.
00:48:05.000And one last thing I was going to bring up is that Trump dropped the cabinet on Massey while he left.
00:48:15.000He didn't call out a single sender, Thune, or anyone else holding these pro formations.
00:48:20.000And it was even some of the people that should be in our camp.
00:48:24.000And that to me was just, it was almost as valuable.
00:49:40.000I think they need to find a way to end that as quickly as possible and to credibly show that a decision like that won't be made so cavalierly again.
00:49:48.000The part that really resonates with me is this idea of.
00:49:52.000Young men are pissed off and they're frustrated.
00:49:55.000So, Andrew Wilson, why don't you just take it?
00:49:58.000You know, your reaction to Michael, our caller here.
00:50:08.000Like, I've got terrible reception, but I just want to say that the H1Bs going after individual H1Bs is great and all, but I didn't see them going after the companies doing it.0.90
00:51:42.000I mean, won't they just turn back over to moderates if things get bad enough?
00:51:48.000If the GOP establishment decides that they're going to run moderates again, and it's the case that the economy is jacked, your taxes are high, everything's unaffordable, which it will be.
00:51:57.000If the GOP puts up moderates, why wouldn't the American public just vote for them to get back what they lost?
00:52:24.000Before it goes to the floor, that you have committees, they vote in committees like a melt toast Democrat, and then they only take a few votes on the House as a dyed in the wool conservative.
00:52:36.000And the Senate was the most effective it's been.
00:52:41.000So, let me address can I address the Senate portion of this?
00:53:07.000Basically, the inaction that you saw in the Senate was focused on those guys plus Lisa Murkowski.
00:53:12.000Susan Collins would usually come through for us when we needed her, but now she's gone.
00:53:16.000All the bad actors except for Lisa Murkowski.0.76
00:53:19.000Got dealt with either in the primary or now in the general.
00:53:23.000So you would have been left, even if we would have had 50 in the Senate, maybe 51.
00:53:27.000I would take those 51 to punch way above their weight class than the crop we had before.
00:53:33.000And so, like, when we're trying to reform the party, the point, the place when you do that is in the primaries.
00:53:38.000When you're trying to get them as conservative as their voters, you do it in the primaries.0.91
00:53:42.000Yeah, we still would have had a Lisa Murkowski problem.1.00
00:53:44.000Yeah, Susan Collins would have played patty cake with us, but she would have probably come around.1.00
00:53:49.000Anything done because we had basically five senators that were dead weight.
00:53:54.000President Trump pushed really, really hard on the Save America Act, couldn't get it done.
00:53:59.000Senator Mike Lee, he was really pissed off.
00:54:02.000I even think Thune, had he genuinely had 50, probably would have gone along with it.
00:54:08.000So my point is when you're hoping to get all these things done and then you said you split your ticket and that it didn't affect your district, I bet there was a lot of people who said the same thing in South Carolina.
00:54:18.000I bet there was a lot of people who said the same thing in Nebraska and Iowa and Kansas.
00:55:04.000So, you've got to restore credibility and you've got to restore trust, or else they're not going to believe you when you say you're not going to invade some far flung country again in the future.
00:55:23.000We definitely want to hear from people who stayed home or split their ticket because we have to learn from this, or we're going to get cooked again in 2028.
00:55:35.000I talk about jobs and industries on this show all the time, but I didn't expect to find an entire skills trade community on TikTok.
00:55:43.000Plumbers, electricians, builders, and contractors sharing the work they do every day.
00:55:48.000And it went way beyond tips and tricks.
00:55:50.000People were sharing their craft, connecting with local contractors, and talking about how they were building their businesses and growing their teams.
00:55:57.000It opened my eyes to how people in the trades are using TikTok to share their skills, make connections, and find new opportunities.
00:56:03.000I remember thinking, this is exactly what we need more of.
00:56:07.000People sharing what they know and creating opportunities for others.
00:56:09.000And I never expected to find a community like this.
00:56:14.000You start with something you know, and suddenly you're finding a whole new side of it that surprises you and leaves you wanting to know more.
00:56:19.000Your next discovery is waiting for you on TikTok.
00:56:22.000Learn more at TikTok.comslash discover more.
00:56:59.000I'm totally blanking on the name of it right now, but there is a Catholic church basically in downtown Phoenix that's right by, and so you can totally go there for a service on the Sunday morning if you're there on that last day of Amfest, or of course, there's a lot of Saturday evening ones.
00:57:59.000The ticket sales are through the roof.
00:58:01.000And I don't mean to, I don't want to, you know, sort of break news here, but I think this is going to be your first time coming to Andrew Wilson.
00:58:36.000And it really will be, I think, even more important now going into this next year because everybody's going to be talking about what do we do from here?
00:59:17.000The first is What did you make of the White House sending out that conservatives need to watch what they're saying, that they are watching us?
01:00:04.000Understand that, yeah, we were all building a coalition together before, and there were some people that chose not to.
01:00:12.000But right now is a time for reckoning.
01:00:14.000You got to come to grips with what just happened because that was historic.
01:00:17.000We haven't seen a loss like that since Watergate.
01:00:19.000And so we got to be really honest about it.0.82
01:00:21.000Andrew, you and I were texting about this this idea of what was the right choice as a commentator when you, you know, I know you were skeptical about some of the war ambitions and that sort of thing, but you were also like, hey, I'm not voting for a commie.0.58
01:00:35.000So, but there were people who made the opposite choice and they broke and they publicly criticized the president beforehand.0.59
01:00:42.000Yeah, well, the problem is, is like when you have power politically, you don't give it up because you may not get it back again.
01:00:50.000And you may not get it back again for two decades or ever, for that matter.
01:00:55.000The truth is, is that Turning Point was in something of an impossible position because it's the case that you have to keep the communists out.
01:02:06.000The problem is that the accelerationism versus incrementalism.
01:02:11.000If you're getting 60% of what you want or 65% of what you want over time, that begins to add up over victories.
01:02:18.000The burning down your own power base in order to send a message not only erases those victories, but then you have to restart with incrementalism again.
01:02:27.000It's actually usually a bad idea to do it that way.
01:02:30.000So in this case, this isn't just a minor setback.
01:02:35.000I fully expect most of the Trump agenda, which has been passed, to be completely rolled back.0.53
01:02:42.000By Democrats, and the second they can, especially if they get the presidency in just two short years, which they may.
01:02:49.000And they're in a better position now if they do than they would have been if they lost the midterms.
01:02:54.000We may have been able to lame duck them the same way that Trump is being lame ducked now, if it was the case that they didn't have these sweeping victories.
01:03:03.000So I thought that the strategy was the incorrect strategy, but I do understand the logic behind it.
01:03:10.000So now the question just becomes what do you do between the dissident right wing and the mainstream right wing, especially when it comes to punditry and politicians?
01:03:21.000A new coalition has to emerge or we're done.
01:03:25.000Yeah, and I would just, to the caller's question, Dan, your question is, did I see it?
01:03:57.000He also revived a dead and dying GOP and gave us the most conservative governance, you know, minus the war, minus a couple other things that we've ever seen.
01:04:06.000So many things that we wouldn't have ever been able to achieve without him.
01:04:09.000And I think people that are quick to forget that, I think that's dishonest.
01:04:15.000You can disagree with him on foreign policy or the Iran war.
01:04:18.000You can disagree with him about how much he talks about ballrooms or things like that.
01:04:22.000But to completely write off some of the other accomplishments when we were looking at Jeb Bush as our standard bearer in 2016, I think is really.
01:04:31.000You know, I don't got a ton of patience for that.
01:05:07.000I think he's doing a rope a dope and really actually looking to get all the criminal activity and just totally destroy the election fraud base that's there.
01:05:18.000And he just wanted to watch them steal it as much as he possibly could before he actually brings all the DOJ and things going on.
01:11:45.000What they did in Alaska, that was fraudulent, maybe decided the race.
01:11:49.000Stuff they do to loosen the rules in California, they get some house wins because they make it incredibly easy for illegals to vote there and they love to gum it up.0.95
01:11:57.000We do in Texas, we lost by over a million votes.0.91
01:12:01.000That is not fraud, that is that we got our butts kicked.
01:12:04.000Yeah, and we have to honestly confront what made that happen.0.64
01:12:08.000They got a lot of indies, they got a lot of defectors, and there was a bunch of new voter reg in that state.
01:12:15.000Texas and California have almost the same demographics for what it's worth.
01:12:19.000Yeah, and so Texas has been trending blue for a long time, and we were vulnerable.
01:12:23.000Like, if you want to know, in 2018, they were confident about Beto upsetting Cruz, and a big reason Ted Cruz won.
01:12:30.000Whatever you think of him as a candidate, as a politician, Ted Cruz is a very good political operator.
01:12:36.000He took it very seriously very early on.
01:12:39.000He went all out with saying, This will be a tough race.
01:13:34.000Charlie had a bigger influence on the voters than what we, you know, did we actually underestimate his influence and it didn't get out this time?
01:13:48.000I do not think that even if Kirk had not been assassinated by a leftist scumbag, that this election may still have very much gone the same way.0.99
01:14:16.000Venezuela had the potential to do it too, but that was just so clean and the exit was so clean that nobody could really say much about it.0.80
01:14:23.000But the concern over a Middle Eastern quagmire like we dealt with for many, many years in Iraq, especially considering the amount of Iraqi and Afghani veterans that we have in the United States who are voting age and politically active, they were terrified of the potential of another quagmire, which they feel like we're getting into.
01:14:43.000Yeah, I think the only way you change this outcome is if Charlie could influence the president to choose differently on Iran.
01:14:51.000But we've explained why it's probably unlikely that that would happen.
01:15:04.000And I don't think we, even as his supporters, understood how deeply committed he was to making sure they didn't have a nuke.
01:15:12.000And really, writing, I think, something younger people don't understand is how much Trump felt disgraced by Iran back in Jimmy Carter years and early Reagan years, and how he wanted to write that wrong.
01:15:25.000And I didn't realize how deeply he held that.
01:15:27.000But then you saw some of the old bulls really resonate with that.
01:15:30.000And the way he's even in like 2014, before he was running for president, the way he was complaining about our policy on Iran, it is something that stuck in his head.
01:16:23.000I think he'd be incredibly valuable now just laying out here's what you need to do to make the next two years not a disaster to right the ship.
01:17:06.000The right approach would have been to get Trump some reinforcements in the Senate.
01:17:11.000That would have been the right approach.
01:17:13.000But it turns out people wanted, you heard our caller earlier in the hour, a 38 year old trucker who was so pissed off about the Iran war and what he felt was a series of betrayals.0.88
01:17:24.000All he could think about was punching the neocons in the face.
01:17:27.000And so ultimately, that's what happened.0.89
01:17:29.000There was enough people that were just so ticked off.
01:17:32.000Rather than doing the pragmatic thing, they wanted to do the emotional thing and teach a lesson.
01:19:29.000I don't believe in that visa at all because I don't get in the lottery for that visa because of my nationality, it's more for other nationals from other countries.
01:19:43.000H1B, I think, is 70% Indian and like 20% Chinese.0.99
01:19:46.000Yeah, India and China are the ones that get more of those, but yeah, I'm in favor of banning them just to be perfectly blunt.1.00
01:20:08.000I am trying to work, but I see a lot of people skipping lines and all that because of what we just said or getting a moratorium or something like that because they crossed the border by feet.
01:20:28.000And I want to stay here and I'm pretty messed up right now because I probably have to go back to Argentina right now because I came with savings.
01:20:40.000I never worked because I couldn't because with F1, it's very tricky to work.
01:21:16.000My heart, I actually have a much more open heart for people that our government already said to them, hey, come over and do all this stuff because we love all this mass immigration.
01:21:26.000And then you took them up on it and you're here now.
01:22:00.000But I'm reminded of a story when Trump got elected.
01:22:04.000Somebody in the DHS said, You would not believe how many phone calls I've gotten from like senators who want me to, you know, do a solid for their nanny or for their housekeeper.
01:22:15.000And they were like, nope, nope, no solids, nope, no special, no special privileges just because you're a senator.
01:22:22.000So, at some point, you have to just say, we've got to reform these programs.0.89
01:22:25.000We've got to get mass immigration down.1.00
01:22:27.000And it does mean that sometimes people like you are unfortunately going to have a harder time staying.0.99
01:22:32.000But my heart does really go out to you because you came.
01:22:35.000When did you first come to the United States?
01:22:42.000I would say a thing to feel better about is you and many other legal immigrants are frustrated by that scene, those people who cut in line, scammed the system, cheated, and they get away with it.0.91
01:22:53.000And at least for the past two years, They have not been getting away with it as they once did.0.89
01:23:15.000Argentina is a pretty dollarized country.
01:23:20.000Formally, we all save in dollars, in US dollars.
01:23:23.000So I saved a lot of money to be here and I lived with my.
01:23:30.000Savings that are almost done, actually.
01:23:33.000Because I mean, that's a point in your favor.0.89
01:23:36.000But the truth is, the American public and the right wing, especially, but even many on the left who support unions, they really would prefer to have a moratorium on immigration coming into the nation so that we can focus on domestically our own people.
01:23:53.000And I think that there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
01:23:55.000And I understand that there's going to be people who are going to get caught up in that.