The Charlie Kirk Show - November 06, 2026


Say No To Neocons + AMA 285

Should Heads Roll?

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00:01:17.000 All right.
00:01:19.000 It is November 6, 2026.
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00:01:27.000 So the finger pointing, Blake, continues.
00:01:29.000 That was inevitable.
00:01:30.000 And now there's this whole debate about something that really candidly should be put to rest, and that is what caused the debacle on Tuesday, the historic.
00:01:40.000 Midterm loss, and we need to again be honest about that.
00:01:44.000 Now, I think there is a tendency and a temptation to overcomplicate things.
00:01:49.000 Yes, there were issues of corruption, yes, there were issues of whether or not the economy was rip roaring.
00:01:55.000 By the way, we got a great economic number today on the employment.
00:01:57.000 Don't take it, yeah, we'll take it a little late, but we'll take it.
00:02:00.000 We want good things for this country, uh, you know, and they're trying to point it at tariffs, they're trying to point the finger at anything, anything other than the war in Iran, and that is foolishness. 0.95
00:02:11.000 And that's why we call today's stream Say No to Neocons. 0.81
00:02:14.000 Say No to Neocons. 0.99
00:02:15.000 They're trying to trick you. 1.00
00:02:17.000 It's like rats scurrying off a ship or something.
00:02:21.000 It just stands out to me. 0.57
00:02:22.000 They got the one thing that they've always wanted because so many people, they dreamed about getting their war with Iran some way for 20 years.
00:02:31.000 And they don't even have the common decency to be grateful to Trump, unfortunately, for going for it, or to own up to, oh, yes, this was politically catastrophic that it happened.
00:02:43.000 Yes.
00:02:44.000 And it's interesting because the same usual suspects are out there saying, guys, it's actually all JD Vance's fault.
00:02:52.000 If we just would have warred harder, if we just would have turned Iran into a parking lot and never pursued peace, got in and got out, and we would have been done six months ago. 0.99
00:03:04.000 I think that is the height of idiocy. 0.99
00:03:08.000 Do you realize that Iran is bigger than Syria and Iraq combined? 1.00
00:03:13.000 Iran is a huge place.
00:03:15.000 The regime was deeply entrenched.
00:03:18.000 This was never going to be Venezuela.
00:03:21.000 Never. 0.94
00:03:23.000 Now, again, you can say, and I appreciate this perspective because it's honest, that we had a moral obligation to go into Iran to make sure they didn't have nukes to save the Western world because you genuinely believe they were going to use those against Israel and against Europe and ultimately against America. 0.98
00:03:42.000 You can say that, and if you believe it, I will accept it. 0.96
00:03:45.000 I may disagree, but at least I will accept it.
00:03:48.000 But now, To come in after the fact and point the finger at JD Vance, as Mark Thiessen is doing, calling it a stunning act of disloyalty, that I cannot abide.
00:04:01.000 Throw up 148.
00:04:02.000 This is it.
00:04:04.000 JD Vance, stunning act of disloyalty.
00:04:07.000 Republicans lost in part because the Iran war dragged on.
00:04:09.000 The vice president owns that.
00:04:11.000 Now it's the vice president's fault that we didn't send in more weapons, send in more troops, go all out in a war.
00:04:18.000 There wasn't 50,000 troops on Karg Island.
00:04:22.000 If we just landed in Karg Island, then this war would all be over. 0.90
00:04:25.000 If we had done the full ground invasion, then everything would have been just fine. 0.99
00:04:30.000 That's the height, I'll say it again, of idiocy. 0.97
00:04:33.000 And you absolutely know, you absolutely know, in the alternate world, where we do that, Let's say we sent in 50,000 troops. 0.99
00:04:39.000 Thousands of them are dead.
00:04:41.000 We have some civil war in Iran.
00:04:42.000 Tons of people are dying.
00:04:43.000 And we lose even worse.
00:04:44.000 Maybe we lose Louisiana, lose more Senate seats just for this, lose Nebraska.
00:04:48.000 And he would be writing the new headline where it's like President Trump, he had to be a big tough guy, had to go way harder than anyone needed.
00:04:56.000 Some losses are worth it.
00:04:57.000 Yeah.
00:04:58.000 He would have said either some losses are worth it or he would have just said, like, the president's inept bungling of this war by just he used too much force because he had to show he was a big tough guy.
00:05:06.000 We could have fought this war from the air and easily won it with a limited thing.
00:05:10.000 That's what they would be saying.
00:05:11.000 So now there's this big debate about some of the exit polls.
00:05:14.000 They're trying to say, look at the exit polls, say that Iran was not a big deal.
00:05:19.000 But they are misreading the exit polls. 0.88
00:05:22.000 I don't know if they're being intentionally dense or if they're just that incompetent. 0.65
00:05:27.000 Throw up 143.
00:05:28.000 So here's Mark Thiessen again.
00:05:29.000 And by the way, it's not just Mark Thiessen.
00:05:30.000 He just happens to be the easiest example to highlight that.
00:05:33.000 He says, Iran, not at the top of the list of voters' priorities in changing our relationship with Israel, nowhere to be found.
00:05:41.000 Okay, but if you dig deeper into this, it's funny, it's already getting community noted.
00:05:46.000 You can throw up 144.
00:05:47.000 While the shared NBC exit poll data shows the Iran war ranked fourth among the issues called crucial 34 and foreign policy low as a top issue, the same poll found that 74% of voters said it was crucial or a major factor in their vote.
00:06:01.000 Guess what?
00:06:02.000 Of those 74%, how many ended up voting Democrat?
00:06:08.000 63%.
00:06:09.000 That's a blowout.
00:06:11.000 So, 74% of Americans said it was crucial or a major factor, and we lost 63% of them.
00:06:17.000 So, it's true that a minority of voters who voted Republican do not share these views, by and large.
00:06:24.000 But the numbers of voters who share these views was nowhere near enough to keep Republicans from being wiped out across the country.
00:06:31.000 What you have to understand is that we are playing such a slim margin game. 0.56
00:06:35.000 And every year, when we import millions of more people that don't like our values and don't vote like native born Americans, They vote in block, by the way. 0.92
00:06:43.000 Indians vote in block like second to black women. 1.00
00:06:46.000 So, all those H 1Bs in Texas, they're all just voting Democrat like 70% clip. 1.00
00:06:52.000 How's that working out? 0.94
00:06:54.000 So, when you have very, very tight margins and you have an issue that is like this, you are going to get wiped out.
00:07:03.000 It is very, very simple. 1.00
00:07:05.000 And for all of these people who say, oh, we just need to war harder, we needed to flatten Iran, it was the tariff, stupid. 1.00
00:07:14.000 They don't know what the heck they're talking about. 1.00
00:07:15.000 And if we take the wrong lessons from Tuesday, we're screwed.
00:07:19.000 Not just for the next six years, not just for the next 10 years, but it will be generational.
00:07:25.000 They want to take it back to 2014 when there was like no solid future for this party and it had no message that resonated with young people, no message that resonated with middle America.
00:07:37.000 They just want to rewind the clock to a time where we were like a doomed minority party and it doesn't have to be that way.
00:07:43.000 And now they're just trying to spin out of something that.
00:07:47.000 Entirely for one day, basically, we pivoted back to 20 the Bush era GOP and we got punished like the Bush era GOP.
00:07:56.000 Yes, and they want to spin this.
00:07:57.000 David Shore, a left wing data analyst, he's had a lot of good posts on X about what drove this, even though he's liberal.
00:08:03.000 He pointed out the day before the Iran war started, Donald Trump's approval on gas prices was 49%, which was higher than his approval on the economy, cost of living, anything else.
00:08:13.000 It was actually quite high.
00:08:15.000 And it just drops to basically way below everything overnight, never recovers.
00:08:20.000 And right now, when you hit the midterm, his approval on gas prices was 28%.
00:08:24.000 Yes.
00:08:25.000 Overnight, it just drops.
00:08:27.000 You can literally chart this on a graph.
00:08:29.000 And the White House charted this on a graph. 0.83
00:08:32.000 It was literally like before and after Iran. 0.64
00:08:36.000 Okay. 0.92
00:08:36.000 We were on pace for a normal four point loss. 0.92
00:08:41.000 And that's, mind you, you probably hold the Senate, man.
00:08:43.000 At four points, we hold the Senate and we might just hold the House.
00:08:47.000 So we might have lost the congressional popular vote, but we might have just squeaked out a tie in the House and held the Senate.
00:08:53.000 That's the difference.
00:08:55.000 And so all of these people who cheer led for a disastrously, catastrophically unpopular war.
00:09:02.000 A war that I could tell you day in and day out.
00:09:04.000 And many of you complained to me over email saying I was not having the president's back.
00:09:10.000 These are the same people now pointing the finger at the one man who pursued peace in this conflict, which, by the way, was massively popular.
00:09:19.000 Do you realize that the MOU was favorable by 40 points?
00:09:22.000 That means it was a 70 30 issue.
00:09:25.000 Do you realize that 67% of Americans thought it would lower gas prices?
00:09:31.000 But it's all JD's fault. 0.94
00:09:33.000 For cautioning a full ground invasion of Iran. 0.86
00:09:37.000 You gotta be kidding me, folks.
00:09:38.000 You know, part of this is I think that people struggle with like graphs.
00:09:42.000 A lot of people that get into the commentariat class, they're not math wizards, okay?
00:09:48.000 But you have to look at this, okay?
00:09:52.000 NBC poll, this is an exit poll, 141.
00:09:55.000 Did the U.S. make the right decision or wrong decision in taking military action against Iran?
00:10:02.000 Can you throw up this graphic, 141?
00:10:04.000 There you go.
00:10:06.000 The right decision.
00:10:08.000 So let me walk you through what this graph says.
00:10:11.000 I think some people see just like a big red, you know, bar and they think, oh, it was fine.
00:10:15.000 No.
00:10:16.000 The right decision only counted for 37% of the electorate.
00:10:22.000 37%. 0.65
00:10:23.000 And yes, if you felt like going in on Iran, striking Iran, was the right decision, 91% of those people voted Republican. 0.77
00:10:33.000 But guess what?
00:10:35.000 Two thirds of the electorate thought it was the wrong decision.
00:10:38.000 83% of those people voted Democrat.
00:10:43.000 Now, I'm not asking you to do calculus here.
00:10:46.000 I'm just saying 83% of two thirds of the electorate is a much bigger chunk than 91% of 37.
00:10:54.000 Okay?
00:10:56.000 That's 52% of the electorate, by the way.
00:10:58.000 Yes.
00:10:58.000 I did the math.
00:10:59.000 Is basically Democrat just off of people who said Iran was the wrong decision. 0.92
00:11:03.000 Yeah.
00:11:04.000 And then they get a few percent more from the right decision chunk. 0.89
00:11:06.000 And I think it's all those Al Said voters in Michigan who are Jewish. 0.83
00:11:09.000 Exactly.
00:11:10.000 And I think it's important to read what Shore said.
00:11:13.000 In full, 147.
00:11:16.000 It's a little bit of a blurb, of a paragraph here, but bear with me because it's important to understand.
00:11:22.000 You know, I go back to this quote when President Trump said he could stand on Fifth or Sixth Avenue, I never remember which, and he could shoot somebody and they'd still vote for him. 0.62
00:11:29.000 That was true. 0.99
00:11:31.000 As long as he didn't do no new wars, he just couldn't shoot the Ayatollah on the Fifth Avenue. 0.91
00:11:35.000 Well, I think they could probably do that, but as long as it was in Manhattan and not Iran. 0.91
00:11:35.000 Yes. 0.91
00:11:40.000 But this is what's so interesting because he was right.
00:11:43.000 His bond with the electorate was so strong.
00:11:48.000 If you look at Trump approval, this is from Short written in Vox, both from 2016 to 2020, and then from 2024 until the end of 2025, it was really quite stable.
00:11:59.000 Obviously, it was the highest at the beginning of his terms and went down after a month or two.
00:12:03.000 But then, for most of Trump's first term, he was hovering around the mid 40s in our data, and it rarely, barely moved in response to events.
00:12:11.000 And it was much the same for the first year of Trump's second term, which was worrisome because he's a Democrat.
00:12:17.000 Trump had all these scandals, but at the end of the day, the line didn't move.
00:12:22.000 A good day would be like, oh, Trump's approval is down three tenths of a percentage point.
00:12:25.000 Amazing.
00:12:25.000 Again, for his perspective, a good day for him.
00:12:28.000 So a lot of people became very nihilistic.
00:12:31.000 They were like, oh, we really live in this world where nothing matters.
00:12:35.000 But then the Iran war happened.
00:12:38.000 And there was a giant, let me repeat, a giant structural shift in the public opinion.
00:12:45.000 His approval rating on the cost of living plummeted.
00:12:49.000 To put some numbers on this, the day before the Iran war, Donald Trump had a 49% approval rating on gas prices.
00:12:55.000 Within a week, it was 33%.
00:12:58.000 Massive, massive drop.
00:13:01.000 And yeah, you could blame it on the cost of living.
00:13:03.000 Remember, all of these issues were already riding very tense.
00:13:07.000 And there was a lot of hope placed in President Trump that he was the chosen one, that this was our last chance at getting this right.
00:13:14.000 This was our last chance at saving the republic, our last chance at mass deportations and the cost of living coming down and the economy booming and the golden age for America.
00:13:23.000 We were going to breathe 20, 50, 75, 100 years of new life into this republic.
00:13:28.000 Just on the back of one man and a massive political mandate that came after 2024.
00:13:34.000 But these issues were bubbling under the surface.
00:13:37.000 It was still too expensive after four years of Biden.
00:13:40.000 The tariffs, yes, I actually am a big supporter of the president's tariff regime.
00:13:44.000 Big supporter. 0.78
00:13:45.000 I think we've been getting played for suckers for generations when it came to international trade.
00:13:51.000 We were basically the only country in the world that felt we were morally incapable of fighting back and doing reciprocal tariffs.
00:13:58.000 It's also a great tool of coercion and driving peace and getting concessions on the global stage.
00:14:05.000 And it can be a great tool for onshoring.
00:14:07.000 All of these things make tariffs great, but they do cause some chaos and some disruption.
00:14:13.000 And when you're coming out of four years of Joe Biden's disastrous economic policy and inflation, tensions are riding very high.
00:14:21.000 And the electorate is willing to put up with so much of that for a time.
00:14:25.000 But then, when you go into Iran and the gas prices immediately shoot up, It's everything else that's been holding back, everything else that you've been waiting for, everything else that you've been willing to be patient about.
00:14:39.000 It snaps for a lot of people.
00:14:40.000 I've just got to push back because we have an email here from Colleen who says it was not the Iran war that caused this failure.
00:14:46.000 Most logical people saw that the high price of gas food did not outweigh the threat of Iran getting nuclear capabilities.
00:14:52.000 I'm sorry.
00:14:53.000 I've got to push against that, Colleen.
00:14:55.000 I think you're mistaken.
00:14:56.000 I think if Iran's nuclear capabilities were really that strong, I think the administration needed to make that case stronger.
00:15:04.000 But Notably, when the war broke out, that wasn't even the argument they made.
00:15:09.000 They didn't come out and say, here's this intelligence.
00:15:11.000 They actually are insanely close.
00:15:13.000 They came out and said, it's time for regime change.
00:15:15.000 The Iranian people need to rise up and claim their freedom.
00:15:18.000 That's what was happening day one of the Iran strikes, day two of the Iran strikes.
00:15:22.000 And it was only after that that we heard that the imminent nuclear breakout was the justification for it.
00:15:28.000 And even if you think that's true, even if you really strongly believe it, and the president seems to believe it, and he probably knows more than us, that is not what the American public believes.
00:15:37.000 The American public believes.
00:15:38.000 This is another war that is not in their interest in a foreign country while America itself is in increasingly dire straits.
00:15:46.000 And now Texas is blue.
00:15:46.000 Yep.
00:15:48.000 By the way, I do have calls into Lara Logan.
00:15:51.000 I'm sure many of you are looking at some of the data coming out of Texas.
00:15:55.000 I think it's a tough case to make.
00:15:58.000 I mean, when you people are claiming that there were no defectors from Republican tickets, that's not the data I'm seeing at all.
00:16:05.000 That's not at all what I'm seeing.
00:16:06.000 Every year there are defections.
00:16:08.000 I'm seeing that there are more defections than there have been in previous years.
00:16:12.000 Yeah, Andrew and I and everyone on this team, we did get out the vote efforts, which means we did door knocking, which means we did calls and texts.
00:16:20.000 We interact with our student chapters through Turning Point all of the time.
00:16:23.000 There are a lot of angry people out there who voted Trump in 24.
00:16:27.000 There are some of them who just say, I'm disappointed, but I understand I'm still going to vote.
00:16:31.000 There are some who say, I'm not voting this time.
00:16:34.000 There are some people who are so angry and say, I am never voting for a Republican again.
00:16:39.000 And the independents, those people are real.
00:16:42.000 Swung hard.
00:16:44.000 I mean, some states it was probably 70 30 against.
00:16:48.000 So I'm not, listen.
00:16:50.000 I have always been consistent that the geopolitical benefits of this conflict could be very real.
00:16:58.000 And hopefully, it ends in a way that is beneficial for all. 0.86
00:17:02.000 And that will be a generational win.
00:17:05.000 But we have to be honest about the fact that it also delivered us a historic electoral defeat at the ballot box, the likes of which we have not seen in Republican politics since 1973.
00:17:17.000 Maybe even before that, according to some.
00:17:20.000 So.
00:17:21.000 Honesty is the best policy.
00:17:23.000 And here's what I will say for those who are saying that JD Vance is not being loyal, if being honest about the main cause of Tuesday's historic loss is disloyalty, then just imagine what they're actually asking him to do to be full of lies or to be silent.
00:17:43.000 Refusing to reckon with the truth or to tell American people that we hear you will only deepen the credibility chasm.
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00:19:14.000 Joining us now is the one, the only Christopher Rufo.
00:19:17.000 Great investigative journalist.
00:19:19.000 He also has the Rufo and Lomez show.
00:19:23.000 I want to make sure I get your name in front so Lomez doesn't get a big head about him.
00:19:28.000 Chris, great to have you back on the show. 0.98
00:19:31.000 I mean, you have some really interesting thoughts on this, the failure of the new right, as Ross Douthit has penned it.
00:19:38.000 I want to get there, but first, your broad impression of Tuesday and how you're processing what just happened.
00:19:43.000 Yeah, I mean, obviously, it's a wipeout.
00:19:46.000 You just have to look at the numbers.
00:19:48.000 It's very obvious.
00:19:49.000 And so the question is really why?
00:19:51.000 What happened?
00:19:52.000 What's the analysis that can yield new insights?
00:19:54.000 And look, I actually think that this has a lot to do with the ongoing debate over the past two years on the right.
00:20:04.000 And in particular, if we take what Charlie was talking about in the months before his death, he was trying to persuade the president of three things.
00:20:14.000 Focus on kitchen table economics, make the cost of living easier for young people to start getting ahead, and avoid a regime change war in Iran.
00:20:25.000 And if you look at the exit polling, it's very clear the AP, NBC, any exit pollster, there's a consensus that the three issues where Trump was really just hammered on were the same three issues that Charlie was bringing to the table in this debate in the months before his death, and which in all three cases, Trump and the administration basically disregarded.
00:20:49.000 Trump said, the economy is doing great.
00:20:52.000 The ballroom is getting built.
00:20:54.000 If you don't like what's happening, who cares? 0.82
00:21:00.000 Young people, there was really no effort to get young people back into the fold, to recruit young people, to try to make sure they were seeing a good future.
00:21:10.000 And then obviously, the war compounds all of those concerns.
00:21:13.000 Gas prices go up, diesel prices go up.
00:21:16.000 There's really no good explanation.
00:21:19.000 For going back on the promise of no new regime change wars in the Middle East.
00:21:24.000 And so that's how I see it.
00:21:27.000 That's what I'm reading in the exit polls.
00:21:29.000 And I think that this was a tragedy that, you know, Lomez and I were discussing week by week on our show.
00:21:35.000 I know you guys were discussing.
00:21:38.000 It was all foreseeable.
00:21:39.000 And for me, that's the great disappointment.
00:21:41.000 It was just bad policymaking, bad focus, bad decisions.
00:21:47.000 And look, we live in a democracy, and this is what you get.
00:21:50.000 If you don't fulfill your promises, if you're not making sure people's economic fortunes are taken care of, not making people optimistic about the future under your leadership, you're going to get wiped out.
00:22:00.000 Exactly.
00:22:01.000 So let's get into the specific exchange you had.
00:22:04.000 So, Ross Douthat, formerly of the New York Times, now at 60 Minutes, he had an article for the Free Press as well, where it's how the new right failed, is how he described it.
00:22:14.000 So, the new right, the idea is we've created a new conservative movement.
00:22:19.000 It has detached itself from the old, you might call it, Reaganite era.
00:22:24.000 Shibboleths, it's not, it's post Bush, it's much more assertive about what government can do, it's much less focused on foreign policy, and it basically argues that failed.
00:22:35.000 You pushed back on this, basically saying, No, the new right did not fail, it basically just suffered, in your way of phrasing that, it's connected to the president who is himself not really a member of the new right, he's not really an ideological person in that sense.
00:22:52.000 But why don't you build that out for our audience?
00:22:54.000 How should we think about it?
00:22:56.000 What did the new right's role play in what just happened?
00:22:59.000 Yeah, I mean, first of all, Ross is great and we love Ross and we kind of debate on the substance, but all respect for Ross.
00:23:08.000 But he's completely wrong on this.
00:23:12.000 And it's kind of even hard to parse because it's just not supported by the facts.
00:23:18.000 And charitably, it depends on how you define new right.
00:23:21.000 I think the new right was an intellectual movement of mostly younger conservatives that wanted to buck.
00:23:28.000 The old GOP consensus and the issues that were important to them were related to immigration, trade, kind of a skepticism towards regime change wars, an aesthetic movement.
00:23:40.000 There's a new design and aesthetic sense that came out of the new right.
00:23:45.000 And look, criticisms of the new right are fair.
00:23:47.000 I think that tariffs, you know, the new right was really kind of protectionist in nature.
00:23:54.000 I think it's absolutely fair to criticize tariffs, to look at the evidence, to say that they actually weren't popular.
00:24:00.000 They may not have even worked, even in their own kind of own presumptions.
00:24:05.000 I think it's fair to criticize some of the new right aesthetics.
00:24:08.000 You had DHS accounts and White House accounts doing these like Zoomer edits of, you know, People in chains getting hauled away by ICE agents.
00:24:18.000 Even at the time, I said, hey, this is not good.
00:24:21.000 You don't want to be doing this.
00:24:22.000 That's certainly a fair criticism.
00:24:24.000 But on the big questions, what Trump's mistakes, and let's say concentrated in the Iran war, gas prices, and the perception of unaffordability that stems from that cluster of war making, global oil markets.
00:24:46.000 People's perception of prices at the pump and elsewhere in their lives.
00:24:50.000 This was the same mistake that George W. Bush made.
00:24:53.000 So, in fact, Trump rejected the new right's ideas where it really mattered.
00:24:59.000 And exit pollsters suggest that Trump was wrong, the new right was correct.
00:25:05.000 And the real tragedy of the new right is that after the first 90 days, 100 days of the Trump administration, Trump essentially washed his hands of anything new right.
00:25:14.000 He said, hey, thanks for being part of the coalition.
00:25:17.000 We're going to give you a DEI ban.
00:25:19.000 We're going to Kind of put the screws on higher ed. 0.68
00:25:21.000 We're going to pass executive orders, kind of taking the axe to some of the trans agenda. 0.71
00:25:29.000 And after that first 100 days, it was Mar a Lago. 0.87
00:25:32.000 It was the foreign policy decisions.
00:25:35.000 It was an entirely different milieu.
00:25:37.000 And so, on the substance, the new right was wrong.
00:25:40.000 But tragically, the new right was not able to persuade the president to its position.
00:25:45.000 And the results are bad for everybody.
00:25:48.000 I mean, one of the things that, you know, I struggle with.
00:25:48.000 Yeah.
00:25:51.000 Being in the position that I'm in, is, you know, I've seen the tweets like, I miss Charlie more than ever.
00:25:56.000 You know, and goodness, I feel that very intimately.
00:26:00.000 And I sort of have always rejected that Charlie could have waved a magic wand and fixed some of the mistakes that were made.
00:26:08.000 But I do acknowledge that Charlie did have a line to the White House and he was able to influence and push his worldview.
00:26:17.000 You know, ultimately, I don't think he would have been successful when it came to Iran. 0.55
00:26:21.000 Obviously, that was something the president.
00:26:23.000 Deeply was concerned about and wanted to pursue.
00:26:26.000 But, I mean, the way that you're framing this is essentially the continuum was cut off at some point and the message was not getting through.
00:26:37.000 That influence of the new right, the ideas of the new right that we see, by the way, are broadly popular.
00:26:41.000 We've seen voter ID passed in different places.
00:26:45.000 We've seen protection of women's sports passed in even Washington.
00:26:48.000 You know, your home state of Washington, now there are protestings in the streets of Seattle after a popular referendum on that.
00:26:55.000 So, these ideas, I think the silver lining is that they are popular, that we are on the right track, but that communication channel or the continuum didn't make its way after the first 100 days.
00:27:08.000 And I struggled to reckon with that.
00:27:12.000 Could Charlie have done something?
00:27:13.000 Could he have gotten those new right ideas injected into the lifeblood of the conversations that were happening in the White House?
00:27:19.000 We'll never know, but it is something that I.
00:27:23.000 It's certainly possible, and we do know for a fact we would have been better off.
00:27:27.000 With Charlie making the case.
00:27:30.000 And he was making the case, in my view, to me personally, persuasively on the Iran war.
00:27:38.000 But we weren't in the White House.
00:27:40.000 We're not in the deliberations.
00:27:41.000 There's a tight circle of people that made the decision.
00:27:44.000 And ultimately, you know, I reject the idea from some people, even on the right, who say, oh, you know, it's Israel's fault.
00:27:53.000 It's so and so's fault.
00:27:54.000 It's the lobbyist's fault.
00:27:56.000 No.
00:27:58.000 Everyone is obviously, you know, every country, every foreign country, they're going to lobby on the best, on the self-interest of their citizens.
00:28:05.000 And that's their right.
00:28:06.000 That's their duty.
00:28:07.000 This is how international politics works.
00:28:11.000 The only decision maker on the war was the president himself.
00:28:14.000 And so the president made the decision.
00:28:18.000 Trump is very determined, very, he's a man of his own will.
00:28:24.000 I think everyone would agree with that.
00:28:26.000 And he made this decision.
00:28:28.000 He didn't back down from this decision, he doubled down on this decision.
00:28:33.000 And it was a disaster.
00:28:34.000 What else are you going to say?
00:28:35.000 And I think one thing that I am, one silver lining of the midterms is that.
00:28:41.000 I think we can all be a little bit more honest now.
00:28:44.000 And if not, like, not that we were dishonest before, but I know everybody was careful with how they presented things, how they phrased things.
00:28:52.000 And what Charlie was good at was balancing a coalition, trying to make those calculations of how to, what is the most best persuasive methods.
00:29:02.000 And in some cases, that means a more gentle approach.
00:29:06.000 At this point, I think we all need to just say cards are on the table.
00:29:11.000 Everybody's got to just be.
00:29:12.000 Extremely blunt with their assessment.
00:29:15.000 What went wrong?
00:29:15.000 What do we do moving forward?
00:29:17.000 And in a sense, leading up to an election, you want to be strategic, you want to be persuasive, you want to be tactful, you want to be mindful of coalitional dynamics.
00:29:27.000 That's over.
00:29:29.000 And one good thing about getting wiped out is that you have an opportunity to reset and to say, where were we being honest or dishonest with ourselves?
00:29:38.000 Where were we missing things?
00:29:39.000 What did we not understand at the time?
00:29:42.000 So, this is the dynamic you were just alluding to.
00:29:45.000 I want to dive a little bit deeper into it because there is a segment of the right that basically broke with the president on Iran, right?
00:29:51.000 They decided this bridge is too far for me.
00:29:55.000 We're going to completely come out against the president.
00:29:58.000 He's betrayed us.
00:30:00.000 And they basically contributed to the coalition fraying.
00:30:05.000 And then at the end, after this historic loss, then they get to say, hey, see, I told you so.
00:30:10.000 And that I have a problem with.
00:30:13.000 Because you're right, we get to be a little bit more honest.
00:30:17.000 We get to sort of say, hey, we had these concerns, and out of coalitional principles, we were trying to be positive.
00:30:23.000 Candidly, I had no idea there was going to be this bad.
00:30:25.000 I was predicting like a D4 electorate, and it went D20 in some places.
00:30:30.000 So I don't think nobody was being dishonest in that respect.
00:30:33.000 I mean, at D4, we probably hold the Senate, and we probably have a chance to even hold the House.
00:30:38.000 So I thought it was a jump ball.
00:30:40.000 But listen, that group that now gets to say, I see, I told you so, well, they sort of contributed to.
00:30:46.000 The problems with a lot of their listeners probably staying home.
00:30:49.000 I'm not blaming anybody here other than ourselves writ large, but what, like, that's, they're really, I guess the question is was that a morally justifiable reaction?
00:31:02.000 Were they in the right, or was that something else?
00:31:06.000 Yeah, I guess it's the difference between what is the principle at stake, how do you do it, and what are your motivations?
00:31:13.000 And so let's take someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene.
00:31:17.000 On the basic substance, she was right. 0.95
00:31:20.000 Skepticism of the Iran war was the correct position, I think, on the merits. 1.00
00:31:26.000 I thought so at the time. 0.99
00:31:27.000 And as it turns out, it was absolutely the right position in relation to public opinion, democratic opinion.
00:31:34.000 However, how she went about it was destructive to not only her own goal, I mean, it wasn't influential on the president in any way, but it was also destructive to the coalition as a whole, which is by proxy destructive to the other principles that are at stake, right?
00:31:53.000 You know, the president works on every issue, not just one issue.
00:31:56.000 And so I think what someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene did was, you know, right on the merits, narrowly looked in.
00:32:05.000 But wrong in the approach, and I think almost certainly wrong on the motivations. 0.54
00:32:10.000 This was obviously kind of narcissism, attention seeking, you know, podcast launch or whatever she's doing now.
00:32:19.000 And so I think that you can say, you know, that's not the right, it wasn't the right way to do it at the time.
00:32:27.000 But look, those Iran war critics who broke with the president, setting aside motivation, setting aside how they did it, We're not exactly wrong.
00:32:38.000 And so, in a sense, you have to let them take a little victory lap.
00:32:42.000 They put it out there, and it turns out that the ultimate decision in a democratic society is the election.
00:32:50.000 And so, according to the election, they were right.
00:32:53.000 And I don't want to presume to understand MTG's motivations or anything like that.
00:32:53.000 Yeah.
00:32:59.000 You know, I actually tend to give the benefit of the doubt to a lot of people that reacted very strongly against the war. 1.00
00:33:07.000 And yeah, to your point, they were proven right.
00:33:09.000 I mean, But, you know, my heart is for this coalition.
00:33:12.000 You know, and in our position, I disagreed with the Iran war.
00:33:16.000 I was skeptical about it.
00:33:18.000 I chose to give the president a lot of leash because, frankly, he's been proven right before, you know, many, many times.
00:33:25.000 But, you know, my heart was for this coalition that Charlie devoted his life and ultimately gave his life to build.
00:33:32.000 And the question then becomes can we rebuild it?
00:33:36.000 Can we put the pieces back together?
00:33:38.000 And what then needs to happen?
00:33:39.000 In fact, I want to specifically, because we're going to have.
00:33:42.000 Democrat Senate, Democrat House.
00:33:45.000 We've got to have someone up in 2028.
00:33:47.000 What are political initiatives the right could be pursuing that allow us to rebuild that credibility, put that focus where Charlie was saying on the domestic sphere, on helping boost young people, winning them back?
00:34:01.000 How can we do that, frankly, without just handing all the wins to the Democrats in the process?
00:34:06.000 Yeah, I mean, you have to do the things that voters were mad about and you have to address those concerns, you have to meet them where they are.
00:34:16.000 and then rebuild that trust.
00:34:18.000 So that's not easy to do, right?
00:34:21.000 But it is absolutely possible to do.
00:34:23.000 And so you have to get prices down.
00:34:26.000 And you can get prices down through monetary policy.
00:34:29.000 You can get prices down through on the demand side, on the supply side, on the monetary side.
00:34:35.000 A lot of things you could do to make it easier to build houses, to make it easier to afford groceries, easier to afford gas, get people feeling like the economy is moving in the right direction.
00:34:47.000 And then on the foreign policy side, you've got to figure out how to wrap up this war in the Middle East. 0.76
00:34:54.000 In theory, we destroyed Iran's nuclear capabilities. 0.83
00:34:57.000 We've assassinated the kind of first layer of their leadership. 0.93
00:35:01.000 We're in this stalemate.
00:35:02.000 There's really no sense in continuing.
00:35:04.000 I don't see any possible avenue for a regime change.
00:35:08.000 If that was going to happen, it would have happened long ago.
00:35:12.000 So you have to figure out how you can extricate yourself.
00:35:15.000 And in reality, right now is the perfect time to take the L.
00:35:19.000 And I've learned in life as in politics.
00:35:22.000 Sometimes you just have to take the L.
00:35:25.000 And if you take the L and you take it, you know, standing up straight, you own it, and then you move on, actually, people are more likely to be gracious to you than if you try to save face at all costs.
00:35:39.000 You try to hold on, you try to manipulate your way out of it.
00:35:44.000 Look, sometimes you screw up, sometimes you lose, sometimes you make a mistake.
00:35:48.000 All of us have been there.
00:35:50.000 And I think now's the time to just say the people have spoken, we're taking the L, we're getting out.
00:35:57.000 Um, we're going to protect America's interests in this way.
00:36:00.000 We're going to focus on making sure that the domestic life for Americans of all different racial backgrounds, all different social classes, all different age groups, we're going to make sure that everybody feels like they have a buy in in America and that burritos are not $20.
00:36:20.000 To bring up Colvett's favorite, favorite statistic of the year, yeah, it became a stand in for a lot.
00:36:27.000 I mean, listen, I'd still.
00:36:28.000 Maintain that it the burritos were $20 according to voters.
00:36:32.000 That's how they felt, you know.
00:36:34.000 Yeah, I was justified in that, but I mean, it became a stand in for so much.
00:36:38.000 And I maintain that it's political malfeasance to ignore what your voters are actually feeling.
00:36:43.000 Um, 30 seconds.
00:36:45.000 I know it's not enough time, but JD Vance they're now saying it was his fault for the MOU, he prolonged the war, uh, and he's being disloyal to the president.
00:36:53.000 Your initial reaction 30 seconds.
00:36:56.000 No, I mean, no, look, the president is the president.
00:36:59.000 And JD Vance's job is to support the president.
00:37:03.000 And so I think blaming Vance for this is nonsensical, but holding Vance responsible for it is inevitable because he is the vice president.
00:37:12.000 He does serve at the pleasure, you know, well, he serves the president as vice president.
00:37:18.000 We'll leave it that way.
00:37:19.000 And so, look, he's part of the administration.
00:37:22.000 He didn't win in that final debate either.
00:37:24.000 That's the way the cookie crumbles.
00:37:26.000 Rufo, thank you for joining us.
00:37:28.000 Can't wait to have you back.
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00:39:08.000 All right, welcome everybody.
00:39:09.000 Hour two is on, and we have Andrew Wilson joining us for this AMA.
00:39:14.000 Andrew Wilson, the debater, host of The Crucible.
00:39:18.000 Welcome, Andrew.
00:39:19.000 Good to see you.
00:39:20.000 How are you guys doing?
00:39:20.000 Good to see you, too.
00:39:22.000 Well, we've been better, Andrew.
00:39:23.000 We've been better.
00:39:25.000 It was a tough day.
00:39:26.000 I know you have a lot to say about it.
00:39:28.000 And I think some of our questions from our audience are going to help get us in there.
00:39:33.000 And so, why don't we just get straight to it, to these listener questions, and we'll pepper in your thoughts throughout, Andrew.
00:39:38.000 So, Josh, Josh, you're our first caller up for the show.
00:39:45.000 Please unmute yourself and welcome.
00:39:47.000 Yeah, good afternoon.
00:39:48.000 So, my question is regarding Ohio this week, where my biggest concern isn't necessarily lockdown Amy herself.
00:39:57.000 I never took her seriously because, again, I can't stand her voice. 1.00
00:40:01.000 She's like 10 times worse than Kamala.
00:40:04.000 And I, yeah, so I didn't like Vivek too much, but I voted for him anyway, knowing that he would support President Trump.
00:40:14.000 He would work with ICE. 1.00
00:40:15.000 He would get rid of the Somalis. 0.98
00:40:16.000 He would get rid of deportations. 1.00
00:40:18.000 But then, you know, you had the subside of that with H 1B visas and data centers and everything else.
00:40:23.000 But what actually do we know about her running mate and his political background?
00:40:27.000 I'm concerned that since she has never held a full time job and always quit, that the plan is she's going to quit and we're going to be stuck with him and he might be worse.
00:40:37.000 Well, the funniest thing about him is he's a novelist.
00:40:40.000 Did you know this?
00:40:41.000 So her running mate was David Pepper.
00:40:43.000 Yeah.
00:40:43.000 And he's spent the last decade as his hobby.
00:40:46.000 He wrote a book in 2016.
00:40:47.000 So ahead of the time, a little bit, he wrote a book in 2016 that was about Russia running intelligence ops to elect Republicans in the U.S.
00:40:56.000 So I guess he's an OG Russian collusion lunatic.
00:41:01.000 He's the. 0.99
00:41:02.000 It's like a blast from the past.
00:41:03.000 Yeah, isn't he?
00:41:04.000 He's a Cincinnati based attorney and longtime Democrat figure.
00:41:09.000 It looks like he was the DNC state chair or something.
00:41:15.000 His Wikipedia uses a photo of him from 2014, which I find pretty funny.
00:41:20.000 I think he's a missing person.
00:41:21.000 What I think is interesting about the Ohio race, though, mostly is the controversy with Vivek.
00:41:28.000 I have a question, and then I'd love to hear Andrew's thoughts.
00:41:31.000 Did you hear a lot of pushback against Vivek around conservative circles?
00:41:35.000 Did you feel like your other.
00:41:36.000 Conservatives in the state were not convinced by Vivek Ramaswamy?
00:41:42.000 The ones that I spoke to, they said they were going to vote for him.
00:41:45.000 But then online, you saw all these conversations by saying, I'm not voting for him.
00:41:49.000 You know, they're calling him every racial slur under the name in the book.
00:41:53.000 It's like, you know, look at the alternative.
00:41:55.000 Now we got the alternative.
00:41:56.000 And yes, we pretty much were blue for the past eight years under DeWine, but at least we forced DeWine to sign conservative bills like the Heartbeat Bill and others that were conservative.
00:42:08.000 So I'm hoping that.
00:42:10.000 Our state legislature will hold the line and that we don't have to actually rely on our rhino conservative or rhino Supreme Court justices.
00:42:20.000 Andrew Wilson, your thoughts on Ohio? 0.76
00:42:23.000 Ramaswamy was a mistake.
00:42:26.000 But in another election year, he may have been able to win.
00:42:29.000 This election year, it was a complete and total repudiation of Trump and the Iran conflict. 1.00
00:42:34.000 Truth is, that him being a Hindu didn't do him any good at all. 1.00
00:42:39.000 One of the biggest problems. 1.00
00:42:41.000 Problems and kind of criticisms that have been moving towards the right in recent years is how open the bigger tent is becoming when it comes to people who want these H 1Bs and other things. 0.56
00:42:53.000 Vivek also kind of sunk himself quite a bit when he said he wanted to open the state up to new migration coming in.
00:43:00.000 People really hated that.
00:43:02.000 So ultimately, unfortunately, caller, you're going to have a hard time because Amy Acton is awful. 0.97
00:43:10.000 Yep.
00:43:11.000 And you're going to have to deal with her now for many years.
00:43:15.000 And yeah, all you have left is your state legislature lobbying them hard in order to stop some of the more progressive actions that she's going to take.
00:43:24.000 At least you got that.
00:43:27.000 At least you got that.
00:43:28.000 And I think in Texas, right, Andrew, we have a similar situation, the Senate's holding on, right?
00:43:33.000 The state Senate?
00:43:34.000 Fair.
00:43:35.000 Yeah, it's holding on.
00:43:36.000 I mean, there's a little bit of lifeblood, but it's bad.
00:43:40.000 And the fact of the matter is that governors, in many cases, have more power over the state.
00:43:45.000 Than the president does of the nation.
00:43:48.000 And, you know, governorships are especially important.
00:43:53.000 And, you know, we're looking down the barrel of some significant progressive policies, especially in the frontline border state, which Texas was.
00:44:01.000 California, being a border state, has always been very pro mass migration coming in and has set aside many sanctuary cities.
00:44:10.000 Texas didn't have that problem, it was the frontline, really, massive border state.
00:44:16.000 And that's what the major concern is here is that, you know, they're going to roll back the immigration policies.
00:44:23.000 And that's exactly what they're going to do.
00:44:25.000 Yeah.
00:44:25.000 Well, all the cooperation with ICE and DHS is about to go out the window in Texas, which is a huge, huge loss.
00:44:32.000 Well, we'll see because they're talking about that emergency session to make it a lot harder for them to use emergency powers.
00:44:38.000 We're going to have legislators on next week, actually, on the show to talk about that.
00:44:43.000 But they're also saying that our current governor is pushing back against getting rid of those emergency powers.
00:44:49.000 So that's the word that I've been hearing around the campfire.
00:44:52.000 So you got to be cautious here, right?
00:44:55.000 Like when Republicans are in office, we really got to remember that we need to wield power because Democrats do.
00:45:02.000 Yeah.
00:45:03.000 I mean, listen, at least in Ohio, you've got that legislator.
00:45:06.000 Hold on to that.
00:45:07.000 Lobby them hard.
00:45:08.000 Make sure they toe the line and they don't give any freebies to this just absolute. 1.00
00:45:14.000 I mean, she's the white Kamala. 1.00
00:45:16.000 She's just like a wine mom slurring her words. 1.00
00:45:19.000 She's awful. 1.00
00:45:19.000 So, Godspeed in Ohio. 1.00
00:45:21.000 Let's hope they run her for president. 1.00
00:45:23.000 Yeah.
00:45:24.000 Michael, you're up next.
00:45:24.000 Please unmute yourself.
00:45:26.000 Hey, I was afraid I wouldn't be able to get on.
00:45:27.000 So I'm a 38 year old truck driver, and I'm absolutely furious right now.
00:45:33.000 You guys are closer to the administration than any of the most I can talk to.
00:45:36.000 What is their plan to make sure I don't continue punching them in the face at the ballot box?
00:45:41.000 Did you not vote Republican this time, Michael?
00:45:45.000 I honestly split my vote between the GOP and the Libertarians.
00:45:48.000 Okay.
00:45:49.000 So let's build this up.
00:45:50.000 I certainly wasn't writing the 500 postcards I did.
00:45:56.000 No, let's build this out.
00:45:57.000 So, you said in your written version, you're absolutely furious.
00:46:00.000 What are you most furious about?
00:46:01.000 Okay.
00:46:02.000 So, they started a war we didn't vote on.
00:46:05.000 They ran on cracking down on illegal immigration, where instead of going after businesses, they went after individual immigrants, which is, I mean, JD Vance is a Marine.
00:46:17.000 I mean, that's like clearing a room when you could drop a 2,000 pound bomb on a building.
00:46:20.000 It's just, it's just, it's not necessary.
00:46:27.000 It's that it's all the comments from the administration about workers and to continue to bring in H 1Bs for various things.
00:46:39.000 You had multiple times where large tech corporations were coming in with H 1B requests.
00:46:46.000 You had them not cracking down on the immigration fraud and truck driving.
00:46:53.000 You've got a lot of stuff like that at the federal level that.
00:46:58.000 Well, we're almost at a break.
00:46:59.000 It's solely on the federal government.
00:47:01.000 Yeah, we're almost at a break, and I think this deserves a detailed response.
00:47:04.000 So, thank you for describing that to us, Michael.
00:47:07.000 And we hope you stick around to the other end because there's a lot to be said here.
00:47:10.000 Because I think you'd agree, Andrew.
00:47:11.000 That's a mix of very true things that a lot of people are angry about, and we clearly need to pivot.
00:47:17.000 But some of that's very interesting, like the H 1B thing or like the truck driving thing, where I'm worried that there was some bad faith action on our own side to demoralize you.
00:47:28.000 All right, Michael, I appreciate your comments here, but it's funny.
00:47:32.000 You brought up cracking down on illegals trucking.
00:47:34.000 They are doing that, they're working on it. 1.00
00:47:36.000 Yeah, I remember they put off the gun, of course.
00:47:38.000 Thousands of them actually were getting it.
00:47:40.000 Do you think that by splitting your ticket, that you're.
00:47:43.000 You're going to empower more crackdowns on it or less?
00:47:47.000 I'm from Indiana, so I'm in an R plus 20 district, and my guys still won.
00:47:52.000 So, the effect I had was in not writing the 500 postcards for Get Out the Vote.
00:47:59.000 My individual vote at my level doesn't matter much because it's so heavily R.
00:48:05.000 And one last thing I was going to bring up is that Trump dropped the cabinet on Massey while he left.
00:48:15.000 He didn't call out a single sender, Thune, or anyone else holding these pro formations.
00:48:20.000 And it was even some of the people that should be in our camp.
00:48:24.000 And that to me was just, it was almost as valuable.
00:48:28.000 That's valid.
00:48:30.000 I will note, President Trump, he's always been a guy who has his feuds, his beefs.
00:48:36.000 He's had a beef with Massey going back to Trump one.
00:48:39.000 He was trying to primary him.
00:48:40.000 And he just failed those times.
00:48:42.000 This time he succeeded.
00:48:44.000 But I want to continue building out some of this because you're entirely justified to be concerned. 0.99
00:48:48.000 About H 1Bs, about certain immigration stuff.
00:48:51.000 One of the things I worry about is a lot of people were saying they've done nothing about H 1Bs.
00:48:57.000 That's an anthem you would hear.
00:48:58.000 We hear people complain about it. 0.97
00:49:00.000 Meanwhile, I'm looking at a discussion forum for H 1B actual people trying to get one, and they're apocalyptic.
00:49:06.000 The top one on Reddit's H 1B, for example, is the midterm results won't change the fate of H 1B in the next two years.
00:49:12.000 And it's talking about how it's falling off a cliff.
00:49:15.000 It's so difficult.
00:49:17.000 90% of new H 1B applications are down.
00:49:19.000 And 25% of the renewal requests are down.
00:49:23.000 And so they tried to put a $100,000 basically levy on any new H 1Bs.
00:49:29.000 That got blocked by a judge, but they are working on it.
00:49:32.000 But it still messed up the number of new applications.
00:49:34.000 So I will say, I think we've definitely gotten a lesson on the war. 0.74
00:49:38.000 That was a mistake.
00:49:40.000 I think they need to find a way to end that as quickly as possible and to credibly show that a decision like that won't be made so cavalierly again.
00:49:48.000 The part that really resonates with me is this idea of.
00:49:52.000 Young men are pissed off and they're frustrated.
00:49:55.000 So, Andrew Wilson, why don't you just take it?
00:49:58.000 You know, your reaction to Michael, our caller here.
00:50:03.000 Michael, are you still there?
00:50:04.000 I think he is.
00:50:06.000 Nope.
00:50:06.000 Did we lose him?
00:50:07.000 I'm not sure. 0.80
00:50:08.000 Like, I've got terrible reception, but I just want to say that the H1Bs going after individual H1Bs is great and all, but I didn't see them going after the companies doing it. 0.90
00:50:19.000 Yeah. 0.72
00:50:19.000 They still played patty cake with the powerful kingmakers hiring illegals that are hiring H1Bs when they're. 0.72
00:50:36.000 Clearly, Americans are going after employers. 0.58
00:50:42.000 But my question to the caller is who cares?
00:50:45.000 That's all done now. 0.98
00:50:48.000 Trump is now a lame duck president. 0.90
00:50:50.000 He can't do anything. 0.67
00:50:52.000 So, complaining about whatever the policies were, Makes no sense to me because there's no change which can now be affected by Trump.
00:51:00.000 He can only veto.
00:51:02.000 He can't really do much else now.
00:51:02.000 That's it.
00:51:05.000 So, like, what was step two of the plan here?
00:51:08.000 That would have passed anything, anyways.
00:51:08.000 What was step two?
00:51:10.000 Well, no, they would have passed more legislation, of course.
00:51:15.000 And by the way, I see no reason why or what you're basing that on.
00:51:19.000 But the most important part here is like, what was step two of the plan?
00:51:24.000 What is it?
00:51:25.000 What was actually like step one communists get into office?
00:51:28.000 What's step two?
00:51:30.000 What was that?
00:51:30.000 What was step two?
00:51:32.000 Punch the neocons in the face so hard they stopped trying to derail a clear majority vote for the under 45s.
00:51:38.000 So, okay. 0.97
00:51:39.000 But that was step two.
00:51:40.000 Yeah.
00:51:42.000 I mean, won't they just turn back over to moderates if things get bad enough?
00:51:48.000 If the GOP establishment decides that they're going to run moderates again, and it's the case that the economy is jacked, your taxes are high, everything's unaffordable, which it will be.
00:51:57.000 If the GOP puts up moderates, why wouldn't the American public just vote for them to get back what they lost?
00:52:03.000 I'm sorry.
00:52:04.000 My reception is terrible and you broke up.
00:52:06.000 I heard that the GOP running moderates, the GOP are going to run moderates anyways.
00:52:11.000 We've got a whole bunch of people at the federal level and Frankly, all over the place that vote in private in these, uh, in the shoot.
00:52:23.000 My mind is blanking right now.
00:52:24.000 Before it goes to the floor, that you have committees, they vote in committees like a melt toast Democrat, and then they only take a few votes on the House as a dyed in the wool conservative.
00:52:36.000 And the Senate was the most effective it's been.
00:52:41.000 So, let me address can I address the Senate portion of this?
00:52:45.000 So, you had Tom Tillis.
00:52:46.000 Who fought the president actively?
00:52:48.000 You had Rand Paul, who would fight the president from time to time.
00:52:51.000 You had Cassidy, who voted to impeach him.
00:52:54.000 He would fight the president, he was always dragging his feet.
00:52:57.000 You had Joni Ernst, who would be a problem sometimes.
00:53:02.000 Tillis is gone.
00:53:02.000 She's gone.
00:53:03.000 Cassidy's gone.
00:53:05.000 McConnell.
00:53:06.000 McConnell retired.
00:53:07.000 He's gone.
00:53:07.000 Basically, the inaction that you saw in the Senate was focused on those guys plus Lisa Murkowski.
00:53:12.000 Susan Collins would usually come through for us when we needed her, but now she's gone.
00:53:16.000 All the bad actors except for Lisa Murkowski. 0.76
00:53:19.000 Got dealt with either in the primary or now in the general.
00:53:23.000 So you would have been left, even if we would have had 50 in the Senate, maybe 51.
00:53:27.000 I would take those 51 to punch way above their weight class than the crop we had before.
00:53:33.000 And so, like, when we're trying to reform the party, the point, the place when you do that is in the primaries.
00:53:38.000 When you're trying to get them as conservative as their voters, you do it in the primaries. 0.91
00:53:42.000 Yeah, we still would have had a Lisa Murkowski problem. 1.00
00:53:44.000 Yeah, Susan Collins would have played patty cake with us, but she would have probably come around. 1.00
00:53:49.000 Anything done because we had basically five senators that were dead weight.
00:53:54.000 President Trump pushed really, really hard on the Save America Act, couldn't get it done.
00:53:59.000 Senator Mike Lee, he was really pissed off.
00:54:02.000 I even think Thune, had he genuinely had 50, probably would have gone along with it.
00:54:08.000 So my point is when you're hoping to get all these things done and then you said you split your ticket and that it didn't affect your district, I bet there was a lot of people who said the same thing in South Carolina.
00:54:18.000 I bet there was a lot of people who said the same thing in Nebraska and Iowa and Kansas.
00:54:24.000 And it did have an impact.
00:54:25.000 And now we don't have the numbers.
00:54:26.000 So now we can't get anything done outside of vetoes and executive orders.
00:54:30.000 So I understand that you're frustrated, and I am too.
00:54:35.000 And you're talking about your question was, what's the plan to reach young men?
00:54:39.000 I think the plan has to be like, hey, we screwed up on the war, and we're going to fix that, and we're going to unwind that problem.
00:54:47.000 And we're not going to do it again, and we're not going to listen to the neocons again.
00:54:50.000 That has to be the takeaway here.
00:54:54.000 So that's what we're fighting for.
00:54:55.000 I think when we talk to young men at Turning Point, The war was huge.
00:54:59.000 The Epstein rollout was huge for them.
00:55:02.000 The credibility gap was huge.
00:55:04.000 So, you've got to restore credibility and you've got to restore trust, or else they're not going to believe you when you say you're not going to invade some far flung country again in the future.
00:55:13.000 That's just my take.
00:55:14.000 Andrew, Blake.
00:55:14.000 Well, I think it's good.
00:55:17.000 I just want to thank you for that call because I know it was real.
00:55:21.000 Yeah, it was real.
00:55:21.000 And I'm glad that you weighed in.
00:55:23.000 We definitely want to hear from people who stayed home or split their ticket because we have to learn from this, or we're going to get cooked again in 2028.
00:55:32.000 So, thank you again.
00:55:35.000 I talk about jobs and industries on this show all the time, but I didn't expect to find an entire skills trade community on TikTok.
00:55:43.000 Plumbers, electricians, builders, and contractors sharing the work they do every day.
00:55:48.000 And it went way beyond tips and tricks.
00:55:50.000 People were sharing their craft, connecting with local contractors, and talking about how they were building their businesses and growing their teams.
00:55:57.000 It opened my eyes to how people in the trades are using TikTok to share their skills, make connections, and find new opportunities.
00:56:03.000 I remember thinking, this is exactly what we need more of.
00:56:07.000 People sharing what they know and creating opportunities for others.
00:56:09.000 And I never expected to find a community like this.
00:56:12.000 That's the thing about TikTok.
00:56:14.000 You start with something you know, and suddenly you're finding a whole new side of it that surprises you and leaves you wanting to know more.
00:56:19.000 Your next discovery is waiting for you on TikTok.
00:56:22.000 Learn more at TikTok.comslash discover more.
00:56:29.000 Tiffany is next.
00:56:30.000 So, Tiffany, unmute yourself and what's your question?
00:56:33.000 Hi, guys.
00:56:34.000 I am going to be attending AmFest for the first time this year.
00:56:38.000 And so I just wondered if you guys have any.
00:56:41.000 Tips or advice for a first time goer?
00:56:45.000 Um, and a bonus question kind of for Blake.
00:56:47.000 So, I'm Catholic and I was wondering if you would have any Sunday mass church recommendations as well.
00:56:53.000 Oh, yeah, so you in Arizona?
00:56:55.000 Uh, I'm actually in North Carolina.
00:56:56.000 I'll be traveling.
00:56:57.000 Oh, no, but she'll be traveling there.
00:56:58.000 So, it goes through Sunday.
00:56:59.000 I'm totally blanking on the name of it right now, but there is a Catholic church basically in downtown Phoenix that's right by, and so you can totally go there for a service on the Sunday morning if you're there on that last day of Amfest, or of course, there's a lot of Saturday evening ones.
00:57:14.000 Uh, if you want to branch out at all.
00:57:16.000 St. Bernadette's in Scottsdale is a very excellent Catholic parish.
00:57:20.000 It's gigantic, has huge crowds every single Sunday, and they do communion where you go to the rail and you have to get it from the priest.
00:57:28.000 And when there's hundreds of people there, I've seen the communion take 25 minutes.
00:57:33.000 So if you want some spectacle, that's interesting.
00:57:35.000 I know Andrew's a Protestant. 0.75
00:57:37.000 He's probably dying as I say this. 0.99
00:57:39.000 No, Andrew's Orthodox.
00:57:41.000 I'm Protestant.
00:57:41.000 Oh, is he?
00:57:41.000 Oh, is he?
00:57:42.000 Sorry.
00:57:42.000 I'm sorry for that mistake there.
00:57:44.000 And then as for Amfest advice, first time, so first of all, Thank you for coming.
00:57:50.000 We encourage you all to come.
00:57:51.000 I know it's not the same vibe as it was after 2024, but it is awesome.
00:57:56.000 Last year was incredible.
00:57:58.000 Yes, of course.
00:57:58.000 It's going to be incredible again.
00:57:59.000 The ticket sales are through the roof.
00:58:01.000 And I don't mean to, I don't want to, you know, sort of break news here, but I think this is going to be your first time coming to Andrew Wilson.
00:58:08.000 So there's that.
00:58:09.000 That's correct.
00:58:10.000 Yeah.
00:58:10.000 And debating too.
00:58:11.000 Yeah.
00:58:12.000 Tips and tricks.
00:58:13.000 I would say, you know, just explore all the different little parts of it.
00:58:17.000 Yeah, there's the general session, but the breakouts are.
00:58:20.000 Media Row is awesome.
00:58:20.000 Are awesome.
00:58:21.000 You can just like, you know, hang out around Media Row and like watch different people debate, watch people.
00:58:27.000 There's tons of spectacles everywhere.
00:58:29.000 It is the most overstimulating environment I subject myself to every year.
00:58:35.000 And there's just a lot going on.
00:58:36.000 And it really will be, I think, even more important now going into this next year because everybody's going to be talking about what do we do from here?
00:58:46.000 How do we regroup?
00:58:47.000 This is going to be the forum to which to have those debates.
00:58:51.000 It really is.
00:58:52.000 So, It's going to be interesting to see.
00:58:54.000 I guess my big picture advice make friends, meet people, because that's how you can build a lot of fun relationships.
00:59:00.000 You can look forward to meeting them next year.
00:59:02.000 Don't just fixate on the speakers.
00:59:03.000 There's a lot that's going on besides the speakers.
00:59:05.000 Up next is Don.
00:59:05.000 Yeah.
00:59:07.000 Don, unmute yourself.
00:59:08.000 Welcome to the show.
00:59:10.000 Hi, guys.
00:59:11.000 Thanks for taking my call.
00:59:12.000 Of course, of course.
00:59:14.000 I've got a couple of questions.
00:59:17.000 The first is What did you make of the White House sending out that conservatives need to watch what they're saying, that they are watching us?
00:59:30.000 Andrew, did you hear about that?
00:59:33.000 The Wall Street Journal reported that the White House put out a communique out to, I guess, its network saying XYZ, XYZ.
00:59:43.000 Oh, and by the way, we're watching everything you guys put out and monitoring the situation.
00:59:48.000 I saw that.
00:59:50.000 Listen, I tend to not be that bothered by it.
00:59:53.000 I've been aware of the way that the White House monitors media for a long time.
00:59:58.000 I kind of go back to what Rufo said in hour one that I think this is a time to be honest.
01:00:02.000 I think it's a time to.
01:00:04.000 Understand that, yeah, we were all building a coalition together before, and there were some people that chose not to.
01:00:12.000 But right now is a time for reckoning.
01:00:14.000 You got to come to grips with what just happened because that was historic.
01:00:17.000 We haven't seen a loss like that since Watergate.
01:00:19.000 And so we got to be really honest about it. 0.82
01:00:21.000 Andrew, you and I were texting about this this idea of what was the right choice as a commentator when you, you know, I know you were skeptical about some of the war ambitions and that sort of thing, but you were also like, hey, I'm not voting for a commie. 0.58
01:00:35.000 So, but there were people who made the opposite choice and they broke and they publicly criticized the president beforehand. 0.59
01:00:42.000 Yeah, well, the problem is, is like when you have power politically, you don't give it up because you may not get it back again.
01:00:50.000 And you may not get it back again for two decades or ever, for that matter.
01:00:55.000 The truth is, is that Turning Point was in something of an impossible position because it's the case that you have to keep the communists out.
01:01:05.000 What choice do you have?
01:01:06.000 You have to keep the communists out.
01:01:08.000 Well, at the same time, you can be against the messaging of the president, especially when it comes to the war in Iran.
01:01:15.000 So I know that you're not a big fan of that, Andrew.
01:01:18.000 And I know that Blake isn't either.
01:01:20.000 I've talked with both of you briefly about it.
01:01:23.000 The truth is, though, is like, what choice do you have?
01:01:26.000 Trump's only going to be there for two years.
01:01:28.000 That was it.
01:01:30.000 So, or two more years.
01:01:32.000 It's more important for us to keep that red wall in place so that communists didn't get in.
01:01:38.000 From my view.
01:01:40.000 So, in other words, the criticisms are valid against Trump and the Iranian conflict.
01:01:44.000 But what choice do you have when it comes to this other than to keep communists out?
01:01:48.000 Putting the communists in doesn't actually have the effect that a lot of people wanted.
01:01:52.000 What they wanted was, like the previous caller said, we want to punch the neocons in the face and show them you guys can't bully us.
01:02:00.000 You can't tell us what's what and then expect our vote.
01:02:03.000 I actually understand this.
01:02:05.000 There's a logic to it.
01:02:06.000 The problem is that the accelerationism versus incrementalism.
01:02:11.000 If you're getting 60% of what you want or 65% of what you want over time, that begins to add up over victories.
01:02:18.000 The burning down your own power base in order to send a message not only erases those victories, but then you have to restart with incrementalism again.
01:02:27.000 It's actually usually a bad idea to do it that way.
01:02:30.000 So in this case, this isn't just a minor setback.
01:02:35.000 I fully expect most of the Trump agenda, which has been passed, to be completely rolled back. 0.53
01:02:42.000 By Democrats, and the second they can, especially if they get the presidency in just two short years, which they may.
01:02:49.000 And they're in a better position now if they do than they would have been if they lost the midterms.
01:02:54.000 We may have been able to lame duck them the same way that Trump is being lame ducked now, if it was the case that they didn't have these sweeping victories.
01:03:03.000 So I thought that the strategy was the incorrect strategy, but I do understand the logic behind it.
01:03:10.000 So now the question just becomes what do you do between the dissident right wing and the mainstream right wing, especially when it comes to punditry and politicians?
01:03:21.000 A new coalition has to emerge or we're done.
01:03:25.000 Yeah, and I would just, to the caller's question, Dan, your question is, did I see it?
01:03:30.000 Yes, I saw it.
01:03:32.000 Do I think that that was an overt threat or something?
01:03:36.000 Not exactly.
01:03:37.000 I mean, here's the thing President Trump has.
01:03:39.000 Doesn't Trump always watch the media?
01:03:41.000 Yeah, he does.
01:03:41.000 Anyway, the man probably consumes more media than anyone alive.
01:03:45.000 I would say that.
01:03:46.000 That's true.
01:03:47.000 Yeah, I would just say that, listen, President Trump has so much of my respect.
01:03:52.000 Yeah, the war was a problem, it ended up being a political catastrophe.
01:03:56.000 But.
01:03:57.000 He also revived a dead and dying GOP and gave us the most conservative governance, you know, minus the war, minus a couple other things that we've ever seen.
01:04:06.000 So many things that we wouldn't have ever been able to achieve without him.
01:04:09.000 And I think people that are quick to forget that, I think that's dishonest.
01:04:13.000 I think it's shameful, actually.
01:04:15.000 You can disagree with him on foreign policy or the Iran war.
01:04:18.000 You can disagree with him about how much he talks about ballrooms or things like that.
01:04:22.000 But to completely write off some of the other accomplishments when we were looking at Jeb Bush as our standard bearer in 2016, I think is really.
01:04:31.000 You know, I don't got a ton of patience for that.
01:04:33.000 But I understand the frustration.
01:04:34.000 I do.
01:04:35.000 And I understand the betrayal that people feel.
01:04:37.000 I understand it because I talk to our students.
01:04:40.000 So I think right now is the time to be honest, and there has to be a reckoning.
01:04:44.000 But eventually, we're going to focus our fire right on the left where it needs to be because no comments.
01:04:49.000 Yeah.
01:04:50.000 All right.
01:04:51.000 God bless you, man.
01:04:52.000 We got Jonathan.
01:04:53.000 Jonathan, you're up next.
01:04:55.000 Unmute yourself, Jonathan.
01:04:57.000 How goes?
01:04:59.000 Well, we've been better.
01:05:00.000 Yeah, we have been a bit better, but we have to remain cheerful warriors no matter what.
01:05:04.000 So, yeah, what's going on, Jonathan?
01:05:06.000 So, that's why I brought this up.
01:05:07.000 I think he's doing a rope a dope and really actually looking to get all the criminal activity and just totally destroy the election fraud base that's there.
01:05:18.000 And he just wanted to watch them steal it as much as he possibly could before he actually brings all the DOJ and things going on.
01:05:28.000 I think that's what he really did.
01:05:30.000 I don't think he.
01:05:30.000 Why would he congratulate everyone on winning when there's so much fraud going on?
01:05:35.000 That just doesn't make any sense to me.
01:05:36.000 Hang on.
01:05:37.000 You mean you think.
01:05:38.000 Trump is doing that.
01:05:41.000 I think he let them win.
01:05:42.000 I think he let them do it.
01:05:44.000 I think that's that's totally the criminals in action.
01:05:47.000 Let me finish.
01:05:48.000 Let me finish.
01:05:49.000 That's totally delusional.
01:05:50.000 I know.
01:05:51.000 I want to listen to my sentence.
01:05:54.000 You're interrupting me.
01:05:54.000 Let me say my sentence.
01:05:56.000 Thank you.
01:05:57.000 I think he is going to catch the criminals in action.
01:06:00.000 I really think that's what he's doing.
01:06:03.000 So, I what I'll say, Jonathan, we've gotten a few emails suggesting this.
01:06:07.000 We have one who said, you know, all the DOJ lawyers fanned out across the country, they're waiting to spring a trap.
01:06:13.000 What I'll say is, I was around in 2020 and I ran into a lot of similar theories about that.
01:06:19.000 That President Trump was waiting to spring his trap to catch the fraud.
01:06:24.000 It did not happen then.
01:06:25.000 Obviously, he contested the election.
01:06:27.000 He attempted in a variety of ways to challenge it and that did not succeed.
01:06:30.000 And he eventually left office.
01:06:32.000 And I think I'll be very blunt with you.
01:06:35.000 I think this is cope.
01:06:37.000 I think a week from now, you will see Democrats are still confirmed as winners in all these races they say they've won.
01:06:43.000 Maybe we turn Mississippi around or something.
01:06:46.000 But.
01:06:47.000 I didn't say it was going to happen right away.
01:06:51.000 I don't think it's going to happen right away.
01:06:52.000 I think it's going to take about two years.
01:06:55.000 I didn't say it was going to happen the right way.
01:06:56.000 I just think that's what it's doing.
01:06:57.000 Yeah.
01:06:58.000 So here's what I'd say.
01:06:59.000 Listen, I'm actually, I've been watching all the tweets and Laura Logan's take on Texas, and I'm going to dive into it.
01:07:08.000 I really am.
01:07:09.000 I've got a call in with her.
01:07:10.000 I'm open minded to that, but I think it's a really, really hard case to make.
01:07:16.000 And the reason is because the evidence is there.
01:07:18.000 The White House themselves, this has been reported now widely, were looking at the data, and they were talking about.
01:07:26.000 Making jokes about seeking asylum in Israel because they knew what was coming. 0.52
01:07:34.000 They saw that it was D13.
01:07:36.000 I heard some reports, not publicly reported, that it was actually closer to D15.
01:07:43.000 And that's what we saw.
01:07:43.000 We saw Florida went D5 to D8.
01:07:48.000 And so the wave hit Florida too.
01:07:50.000 They were not immune to it.
01:07:51.000 And then in the rest of the country, it was like D10 to D20.
01:07:55.000 So depending on where you were.
01:07:56.000 So, I think it's just going to be a very, very, very tricky case to make if there's any truth to it.
01:08:02.000 I certainly want us to do voter ID. 1.00
01:08:04.000 I think there's been too much immigration. 1.00
01:08:05.000 There's been too many, trust me, bro, voter registrations. 0.94
01:08:09.000 I want to go into all of that.
01:08:11.000 But I think in this instance, I just think it's going to be a tough case to make.
01:08:14.000 Plus, a lot of these people have already conceded the races.
01:08:16.000 So, once you do that, I don't know what you're. 0.84
01:08:18.000 But on the long term theory, I mean, we want to make the most of it.
01:08:21.000 It doesn't have to be whether or not the person concedes the race, it just has to be done judicially.
01:08:26.000 There's nothing to do with whether the person concedes or it's not.
01:08:29.000 The question is, was there a fraud?
01:08:30.000 Well, even Laura Logan's making that point.
01:08:32.000 Well, even Laura Logan's making that point.
01:08:33.000 She's making that point.
01:08:34.000 Can you bring the case to court and then can you get a conviction?
01:08:37.000 That's all that's required.
01:08:39.000 On your mark, it doesn't matter whether or not the person actually concedes.
01:08:42.000 The person could have planned to concede beforehand.
01:08:45.000 They could have actually planned to concede. 0.93
01:08:48.000 What if some of the rhinos actually planned to concede before the race was even done, before the votes even started? 0.64
01:08:55.000 Andrew Wilson, you got a thought here? 0.98
01:08:57.000 You got to take your L, dude.
01:08:59.000 We took an L, and we need to deal with the fact that we're not saying that the L do it. 0.96
01:09:03.000 I'm just saying. 0.99
01:09:04.000 Hang on, hang on.
01:09:06.000 Just real quick.
01:09:07.000 Hang on, hang on, man.
01:09:07.000 Hang on.
01:09:08.000 Let me make the case.
01:09:09.000 Let me finish.
01:09:10.000 Let me thank you.
01:09:12.000 I was in the middle of talking.
01:09:13.000 You interrupted me.
01:09:14.000 What are you talking about?
01:09:15.000 No, I wasn't.
01:09:16.000 You weren't talking.
01:09:17.000 No, you weren't.
01:09:19.000 Hold on.
01:09:19.000 Yeah, hold on.
01:09:20.000 Jonathan, let Andrew finish his point.
01:09:22.000 Let Andrew finish his point.
01:09:23.000 Jeez, man.
01:09:24.000 If you could just calm down for five seconds and let me get it out.
01:09:27.000 So the thing is, let me finish.
01:09:30.000 You've interrupted me multiple times.
01:09:31.000 Okay, go ahead.
01:09:35.000 Do I get to finish?
01:09:36.000 You can say that a lot too.
01:09:37.000 I'd like to get to finish my thought.
01:09:39.000 Thank you.
01:09:39.000 Go ahead, man.
01:09:39.000 I'm not saying that.
01:09:41.000 I'm saying what I am saying is I think that they planned it beforehand to actually throw some races.
01:09:48.000 And it does not matter whether or not they actually decide, hey, I concede.
01:09:52.000 The question is, was there fraud?
01:09:55.000 Who did the fraud?
01:09:56.000 Is there evidence of fraud?
01:09:58.000 And can we get that to the court and get a conviction?
01:10:00.000 That's the question.
01:10:01.000 Got your question.
01:10:02.000 That's the standard.
01:10:03.000 It's not.
01:10:04.000 Not who won, who lost.
01:10:06.000 The standard is was the law broken?
01:10:08.000 Can we get enough evidence?
01:10:10.000 Can we bring it to court?
01:10:11.000 Can we get a conviction?
01:10:12.000 That's the standard we should be looking for.
01:10:14.000 All right, Andrew, the floor is yours.
01:10:15.000 That's legal standard.
01:10:16.000 All right, man.
01:10:17.000 I'm sorry I interrupted your interruption.
01:10:18.000 But the thing is, as we go through this, you got to understand that you're living in delusion, complete and total delusion.
01:10:27.000 We also have exit polls.
01:10:29.000 We have lots of data to the contrary here.
01:10:32.000 The fact of the matter is that you're not going to be able to go with my election fraud this time.
01:10:37.000 You're just not going to be able to do that.
01:10:39.000 The truth is that we got stomped on, and we got stomped on because of the public sentiment towards the Iran conflict.
01:10:47.000 And that was just one of many criticisms, but that's the main criticism.
01:10:52.000 And as you're going to find, the numbers bear out.
01:10:54.000 Like Blake was just saying, he was around during the first round of election fraud.
01:10:58.000 And by the way, that didn't go very well for the right either.
01:11:01.000 When Trump did all the stop the steal stuff, that didn't actually go very well for us either then.
01:11:06.000 So I would be very cautious about jumping the gun into thinking that there was some sort of like massive election fraud that was going on.
01:11:12.000 I'm sure there was some.
01:11:14.000 I mean, there always is.
01:11:15.000 But I would be cautious about thinking that you lost the entirety of the election due to fraud.
01:11:20.000 That just seems absurd to me.
01:11:22.000 All right, Jonathan, thank you for your question.
01:11:25.000 But, you know, listen, I remain open minded.
01:11:28.000 I'm always open minded to this because my spidey sense goes crazy.
01:11:31.000 I just think in this instance, when you see a D20, when you see D20 waves, that's not a blue wave.
01:11:36.000 That's not a blue tsunami.
01:11:37.000 That's a blue nuclear bomb.
01:11:39.000 Yeah.
01:11:40.000 I'm just going to be more frank.
01:11:42.000 This election was not taken by fraud.
01:11:44.000 The fraud can matter on the margins.
01:11:45.000 What they did in Alaska, that was fraudulent, maybe decided the race.
01:11:49.000 Stuff they do to loosen the rules in California, they get some house wins because they make it incredibly easy for illegals to vote there and they love to gum it up. 0.95
01:11:57.000 We do in Texas, we lost by over a million votes. 0.91
01:12:01.000 That is not fraud, that is that we got our butts kicked.
01:12:04.000 Yeah, and we have to honestly confront what made that happen. 0.64
01:12:08.000 They got a lot of indies, they got a lot of defectors, and there was a bunch of new voter reg in that state.
01:12:15.000 Texas and California have almost the same demographics for what it's worth.
01:12:19.000 Yeah, and so Texas has been trending blue for a long time, and we were vulnerable.
01:12:23.000 Like, if you want to know, in 2018, they were confident about Beto upsetting Cruz, and a big reason Ted Cruz won.
01:12:30.000 Whatever you think of him as a candidate, as a politician, Ted Cruz is a very good political operator.
01:12:36.000 He took it very seriously very early on.
01:12:39.000 He went all out with saying, This will be a tough race.
01:12:42.000 Got to hold on.
01:12:43.000 Yeah.
01:12:43.000 And he barely hung on.
01:12:45.000 It was like a two point race.
01:12:46.000 In a race that was much better for Republicans than this cycle.
01:12:49.000 Yeah.
01:12:50.000 So.
01:12:50.000 Well, and that's the interesting thing that we saw from David Shore's data, right?
01:12:55.000 So the left wing data guys.
01:12:56.000 He says, Without Iran, you have a normal wave year. 1.00
01:12:59.000 We would have. 0.99
01:13:00.000 Lost in normal fashion, but it would have been probably like a D4 year, D5. 0.92
01:13:06.000 Iran made it a D10, D13, D15, D20. 0.90
01:13:10.000 Amy, you're next. 0.98
01:13:11.000 Please unmute yourself.
01:13:12.000 Welcome to the show.
01:13:13.000 Hi, guys.
01:13:14.000 Hey, Amy.
01:13:15.000 My thing is hey, I'm from Ohio, and not only am I worried about my state, I'm worried about America.
01:13:22.000 I think that people jump the gun and flip sides.
01:13:26.000 I think that they don't know what they did, and we're going to reap repercussions of it.
01:13:32.000 And I also do believe that maybe.
01:13:34.000 Charlie had a bigger influence on the voters than what we, you know, did we actually underestimate his influence and it didn't get out this time?
01:13:44.000 Andrew, you want to take that?
01:13:47.000 Curious, your POV from that? 0.98
01:13:48.000 I do not think that even if Kirk had not been assassinated by a leftist scumbag, that this election may still have very much gone the same way. 0.99
01:14:01.000 The truth is, is that the Iran. 0.99
01:14:04.000 What's that? 0.98
01:14:05.000 Go ahead.
01:14:07.000 Go ahead. 0.65
01:14:08.000 Oh, I was just saying that the truth is the Iran conflict really did trump in right from the outset. 0.51
01:14:15.000 That did him in. 0.80
01:14:16.000 Venezuela had the potential to do it too, but that was just so clean and the exit was so clean that nobody could really say much about it. 0.80
01:14:23.000 But the concern over a Middle Eastern quagmire like we dealt with for many, many years in Iraq, especially considering the amount of Iraqi and Afghani veterans that we have in the United States who are voting age and politically active, they were terrified of the potential of another quagmire, which they feel like we're getting into.
01:14:43.000 Yeah, I think the only way you change this outcome is if Charlie could influence the president to choose differently on Iran.
01:14:51.000 But we've explained why it's probably unlikely that that would happen.
01:14:56.000 Just President Trump.
01:14:57.000 He's very strong in pursuing his goals.
01:15:00.000 President Trump had been bringing up Iran for 40 years.
01:15:03.000 Like legitimately. 0.95
01:15:03.000 Yeah. 0.95
01:15:04.000 And I don't think we, even as his supporters, understood how deeply committed he was to making sure they didn't have a nuke.
01:15:12.000 And really, writing, I think, something younger people don't understand is how much Trump felt disgraced by Iran back in Jimmy Carter years and early Reagan years, and how he wanted to write that wrong.
01:15:23.000 Yeah.
01:15:25.000 And I didn't realize how deeply he held that.
01:15:27.000 But then you saw some of the old bulls really resonate with that.
01:15:30.000 And the way he's even in like 2014, before he was running for president, the way he was complaining about our policy on Iran, it is something that stuck in his head.
01:15:30.000 That POV.
01:15:38.000 And a thing you see with President Trump, even the ballroom, the people talk about this.
01:15:42.000 He's wanted to have a better White House ballroom.
01:15:44.000 He was complaining to the Obama White House about this, and they didn't call him back.
01:15:50.000 That's a factor in why he ran for president.
01:15:52.000 The president is a guy with very long term passions, concerns, you could even say obsessions.
01:15:59.000 And sometimes it plays out well, sometimes it plays out badly.
01:16:03.000 Now, Did Charlie matter a lot overall?
01:16:06.000 Absolutely.
01:16:07.000 He was a once in a generation persuasive talent combined with that organizational networking talent.
01:16:14.000 I think he would have been able to really communicate to the White House here's where this is going awry really badly.
01:16:21.000 Here's how you need to pivot.
01:16:23.000 I think he'd be incredibly valuable now just laying out here's what you need to do to make the next two years not a disaster to right the ship.
01:16:30.000 Yeah.
01:16:31.000 Listen, I think in general, go ahead, please.
01:16:35.000 Like, I mean, yes, facts, like the Iran war played a part.
01:16:35.000 I have another thought.
01:16:39.000 Yes, facts, the prices had a lot to play in that.
01:16:43.000 But like, we didn't have a Senate that did anything.
01:16:46.000 The House did, but we didn't have a Senate that did anything.
01:16:48.000 And we were trying to usher in a new Senate to work with Trump and things would have got done.
01:16:53.000 And I just think people fell to that.
01:16:55.000 And I'm utterly disgusted.
01:16:57.000 Like, I have been so distraught.
01:17:00.000 And I know we got to hold the line, but yeah.
01:17:02.000 Yeah, I actually agree with the caller's last comment.
01:17:05.000 It's that.
01:17:06.000 The right approach would have been to get Trump some reinforcements in the Senate.
01:17:11.000 That would have been the right approach.
01:17:13.000 But it turns out people wanted, you heard our caller earlier in the hour, a 38 year old trucker who was so pissed off about the Iran war and what he felt was a series of betrayals. 0.88
01:17:24.000 All he could think about was punching the neocons in the face.
01:17:27.000 And so ultimately, that's what happened. 0.89
01:17:29.000 There was enough people that were just so ticked off.
01:17:32.000 Rather than doing the pragmatic thing, they wanted to do the emotional thing and teach a lesson.
01:17:36.000 They can give our country.
01:17:38.000 I mean, I don't agree with him because give our country over to communism and people who's going to destroy it.
01:17:43.000 I'm really scared for this nation.
01:17:45.000 Rule number one.
01:17:45.000 Never.
01:17:46.000 Never, ever.
01:17:49.000 I live in Urbana, Ohio, and I drugged 20 people to the voting booth.
01:17:52.000 I mean, all voted red.
01:17:54.000 So I, yeah, I did my part.
01:17:56.000 And God bless you guys for trying.
01:17:58.000 I'm just really scared for this nation.
01:18:00.000 Well, and the current crop of them are the worst.
01:18:00.000 Yeah.
01:18:03.000 They're one of the worst crops we've ever seen.
01:18:07.000 And I don't think they're going to get much better in just a couple of short years.
01:18:12.000 But this is a very bad crop of them.
01:18:15.000 And they're going to go after everybody, everybody.
01:18:20.000 And that is their number one priority.
01:18:23.000 That even includes political commentators.
01:18:25.000 They don't care.
01:18:26.000 And I've been watching their back and forth on X and inside their little communities.
01:18:33.000 And their mandate is investigate, obstruct, destroy.
01:18:38.000 And that is what their plan is.
01:18:41.000 Yeah, I really feel for Amy and so many other people.
01:18:46.000 Do we have more questions, by the way?
01:18:48.000 Okay.
01:18:48.000 I can't.
01:18:48.000 Yes, we do.
01:18:49.000 We have several.
01:18:49.000 We couldn't go too far.
01:18:50.000 You should be worried.
01:18:51.000 You should be worried.
01:18:52.000 And people that gave up on it, I think.
01:18:56.000 I understand why they're frustrated, but it was really damaging.
01:18:58.000 Go ahead.
01:18:58.000 Who's up next?
01:18:59.000 I think we have Juan is next.
01:19:01.000 Juan.
01:19:03.000 Hi.
01:19:05.000 Hey, Juan.
01:19:06.000 Hi.
01:19:07.000 I call.
01:19:07.000 How are you?
01:19:09.000 This is my second time calling.
01:19:10.000 I call in 2023.
01:19:13.000 I talked to Charlie back then.
01:19:15.000 It's awesome.
01:19:18.000 I'm from Argentina originally.
01:19:20.000 I'm here on a F1 visa. 0.99
01:19:23.000 I want to stay here in the States. 0.99
01:19:25.000 I've heard. 0.90
01:19:26.000 Uh, their complaints about H1B.
01:19:29.000 I don't believe in that visa at all because I don't get in the lottery for that visa because of my nationality, it's more for other nationals from other countries.
01:19:43.000 H1B, I think, is 70% Indian and like 20% Chinese. 0.99
01:19:46.000 Yeah, India and China are the ones that get more of those, but yeah, I'm in favor of banning them just to be perfectly blunt. 1.00
01:19:57.000 But I am in the F1.
01:20:00.000 I'm already there's a work authorization called OPT.
01:20:06.000 I already have it.
01:20:08.000 I am trying to work, but I see a lot of people skipping lines and all that because of what we just said or getting a moratorium or something like that because they crossed the border by feet.
01:20:26.000 Yeah.
01:20:28.000 And I want to stay here and I'm pretty messed up right now because I probably have to go back to Argentina right now because I came with savings.
01:20:40.000 I never worked because I couldn't because with F1, it's very tricky to work.
01:20:47.000 Yeah.
01:20:48.000 Yeah.
01:20:49.000 In some degrees, you can work with a student visa in something called CPT, which is Curricular Practical Training.
01:20:57.000 Mm hmm.
01:20:59.000 But it's hard, anyways, because you are a student and international and all that.
01:21:05.000 But yeah, I'm there.
01:21:08.000 I'm all for legal immigration, like me.
01:21:12.000 I know a lot of people that are doing things by the book.
01:21:14.000 Here's what I would say to you, Juan.
01:21:16.000 My heart, I actually have a much more open heart for people that our government already said to them, hey, come over and do all this stuff because we love all this mass immigration.
01:21:26.000 And then you took them up on it and you're here now.
01:21:29.000 And you're like, hey, can I stay?
01:21:30.000 I want to stay.
01:21:31.000 It doesn't mean it's your right to stay.
01:21:34.000 Right?
01:21:35.000 The OPT has been widely abused.
01:21:38.000 The F1s have been widely abused.
01:21:42.000 So you might get caught up in a lot of backlash to programs that have been abused a lot.
01:21:47.000 My heart goes out to you on an individual level.
01:21:50.000 It sounds like you're a good guy and you want to be productive, but we've ultimately got to establish a baseline here.
01:21:57.000 So I think keep pursuing that visa.
01:22:00.000 But I'm reminded of a story when Trump got elected.
01:22:04.000 Somebody in the DHS said, You would not believe how many phone calls I've gotten from like senators who want me to, you know, do a solid for their nanny or for their housekeeper.
01:22:15.000 And they were like, nope, nope, no solids, nope, no special, no special privileges just because you're a senator.
01:22:22.000 So, at some point, you have to just say, we've got to reform these programs. 0.89
01:22:25.000 We've got to get mass immigration down. 1.00
01:22:27.000 And it does mean that sometimes people like you are unfortunately going to have a harder time staying. 0.99
01:22:32.000 But my heart does really go out to you because you came.
01:22:35.000 When did you first come to the United States?
01:22:37.000 2021.
01:22:39.000 Yeah, so you came under Biden.
01:22:41.000 Yeah.
01:22:41.000 Yeah.
01:22:42.000 I would say a thing to feel better about is you and many other legal immigrants are frustrated by that scene, those people who cut in line, scammed the system, cheated, and they get away with it. 0.91
01:22:53.000 And at least for the past two years, They have not been getting away with it as they once did. 0.89
01:22:58.000 Andrew, you got thoughts?
01:23:00.000 Yeah, I was just curious with a caller, do you receive any sort of aid from the state or the federal government?
01:23:06.000 No, never.
01:23:08.000 I wouldn't accept it either.
01:23:09.000 So you came on a student visa and you didn't take any?
01:23:12.000 No state aid at all?
01:23:13.000 I saved.
01:23:15.000 Argentina is a pretty dollarized country.
01:23:20.000 Formally, we all save in dollars, in US dollars.
01:23:23.000 So I saved a lot of money to be here and I lived with my.
01:23:30.000 Savings that are almost done, actually.
01:23:33.000 Because I mean, that's a point in your favor. 0.89
01:23:36.000 But the truth is, the American public and the right wing, especially, but even many on the left who support unions, they really would prefer to have a moratorium on immigration coming into the nation so that we can focus on domestically our own people.
01:23:53.000 And I think that there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
01:23:55.000 And I understand that there's going to be people who are going to get caught up in that.
01:24:00.000 But I'm kind of okay with it.
01:24:01.000 I mean, those are the breaks.
01:24:03.000 The Democrat administrations promise you everything.
01:24:06.000 And then when the right wing gets back in charge, we have to unfortunately be the adults in the room and put America first.
01:24:15.000 Yeah.
01:24:15.000 When do you find out on your applications?
01:24:20.000 Well, the OPT already is out.
01:24:26.000 I'm even eligible for STEM OPT, STM OPT.
01:24:31.000 Which is up to three years of working here.
01:24:35.000 Yeah.
01:24:35.000 Why do you want to stay?
01:24:37.000 Don't you have Javier Millay now in Argentina?
01:24:40.000 It's a good place, right?
01:24:43.000 Kind of.
01:24:44.000 He fixed a lot of things in the macroeconomics of Argentina from 500% yearly inflation that we had with the previous administration.
01:24:55.000 Javier Millay put it at 30% yearly.
01:25:04.000 But you're just worried about going back.
01:25:05.000 Your job prospects aren't going to be as high, things like that, I assume.
01:25:08.000 Yeah.
01:25:09.000 Millay doesn't have a prospect of being reelected.
01:25:14.000 Well, yeah.
01:25:15.000 Well, that's too bad.
01:25:16.000 I haven't looked into that for a while.
01:25:18.000 Listen, my heart goes out to you on an individual basis, but at the same time, we're just trying to restore law and order.
01:25:24.000 We're trying to restore American sovereignty and put Americans first.
01:25:28.000 But God bless you.
01:25:29.000 And thank you for calling in.
01:25:30.000 And Andrew Wilson, that was fun.
01:25:33.000 Got a little feisty there a couple of times.
01:25:34.000 I loved it.
01:25:35.000 Check out The Crucible, his great debates over there.
01:25:39.000 And thanks for having me.
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