00:00:00.000Are you worried about election integrity?
00:00:02.000I have an exclusive conversation with Andy Biggs about what's happening in Arizona, HR1, and how we can fix our elections, and exactly what happened in the last election.
00:00:45.000He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:51.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:02:19.000And I am on a personal mission to see people like you, or maybe you, run the state of Arizona, because we did this whole thing today about the Arizona Department of Education is your baby racist.
00:02:30.000I know that's not what we're here to talk about today, but my goodness, Arizona is changing too quickly.
00:02:36.000However, to make sure it doesn't change permanently, we must do everything we possibly can to raise awareness around HR 1, House Resolution 1.
00:02:45.000If I'm not mistaken, this has passed the House.
00:03:34.000We're not going to go by the normal procedure.
00:03:36.000And this is, I tell people all the time, you really need to understand what the procedures are because what pops out of this place, whether it's through somebody's mouth or whatever, it's controlled by the procedure.
00:03:47.000And the Democrats are controlling the procedure in a way we haven't seen in probably since the history of the country.
00:03:53.000They are acting like they have a 70-seat majority when on best days they have a seven-seat majority.
00:04:00.000And it's almost as if the strategy for Pelosi is, I'm going to lose the House in 2022 unless I change the way we do elections.
00:04:17.000This bill is designed to solidify the Democrats as the majority party, not only as the majority party, but to make us a unitary party state.
00:04:27.000And they'll let us win 150 to 165 seats.
00:04:31.000They don't care because redistricting might do that.
00:04:34.000And so they'll say, that's fine, but we'll never ever give up power again.
00:04:39.000And they make elections irrelevant that way.
00:04:42.000So go through the specifics of the bill.
00:04:44.000We talked about this in another episode of our podcast, from automatic voter registration of all people, not citizens, but all people.
00:04:51.000So illegals very well could be registered to vote.
00:04:53.000And they go through the DMV database, the Federal Bureau of Prisons database, basically the most widesweeping voter registration program ever.
00:05:16.000Yeah, so what is particularly egregious is they've basically codified every way that in the past, both right and left has said is dangerous to election integrity.
00:05:31.000So let me just be a little bit more specific.
00:05:33.000So when we talk about mail-in ballots, every state must allow mail-in ballots to everybody.
00:05:42.000So the way that works, you're exactly right.
00:05:44.000They're going through databases and they're going to pull people up and they're going to say, whether it's the federal prison database, Social Security, any kind of federal welfare database is going to be analyzed and the states are going to do it.
00:06:00.000And what that does, that means we have no idea how many people are really legitimate, whether they're alive or not, because what's insidious about two things insidious, no voter registration, no voter registration.
00:06:13.000And also, so that's what makes it really bad.
00:06:48.000And so when you start adding that to ballot harvesting, which Charlie, in the past, we have seen ballot harvesting when it was legal in Arizona.
00:06:57.000We've seen it actually change elections.
00:06:59.000A lot of people don't know what that means.
00:07:02.000You get a paid political operative who's going out and just picking up all the ballots that he or she possibly can.
00:07:11.000And then they turn around and they're going to take them in and vote them, vote those ballots.
00:07:15.000And since you don't have a voter ID, we don't know anybody, if any of those people are legitimate or if they voluntarily gave those to you.
00:07:22.000We don't know anything about those ballots.
00:08:02.000Because that is a primary concern of our listeners.
00:08:05.000Yeah, so I won't get to all the history here, but last week, a judge said that the Senate's subpoena was valid so they can have access to all the ballots and records and the machines to conduct an audit.
00:08:22.000The state Senate president is trying to implement that now.
00:08:27.000The county has been, in my opinion, less than cooperative along the way.
00:08:33.000But I'm told, I have been told that they're going to have an actual independent forensic audit.
00:08:40.000And so that an independent forensic audit means that it's not going to be somebody selected by the people who oversee the election, number one, number two.
00:09:36.000Or is that the governor need to sign it?
00:09:41.000They just have to implement it, Charlie.
00:09:43.000Right now, they just have to implement it.
00:09:44.000And they're trying to figure out, I mean, you've got the county's trying to deliver all this stuff.
00:09:51.000The state wasn't ready for it because it kind of rolled through at the last minute, but they're trying to get it all together so they can proceed.
00:09:59.000It really won't take that long once they actually engage in the audit itself.
00:10:07.000And the way things used to work in the House, or the way that things worked when you were in the majority, is you guys went out of your way to try to build bipartisan consensus.
00:10:17.000You went out of your way to try to entertain the wishes of Democrats.
00:10:21.000It always worked that way, but you guys still went out about your way to do that.
00:10:29.000Arizona's own Kirsten Cinema, I have been applauding, at least for defending the filibuster, because that might be one of the few things that could actually stop this bill.
00:10:42.000So what that means, so for people who don't know what that means, is right now in the Senate, unless there's some kind of special rule, it takes 60 votes to pass a piece of legislation.
00:10:54.000And so they would need 60 votes on HR1 that said you have to have 10 Republicans crossed, basically.
00:11:01.000And right now, I've been talking to some Senate colleagues, and Mitch McConnell said it publicly.
00:12:09.000I'm willing to applaud and congratulate anyone for standing up against, even on a process thing, to not allow something like this to actually ensue.
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00:15:03.000And so speaking more broadly, this is going the wrong direction on elections.
00:15:07.000And, you know, you were someone that was courageous in talking about election integrity, talking about ballot process, talking about signature verification.
00:15:33.000But, you know, Andy, when I see that it took us a week and a half to count ballots in Arizona, I'm ashamed of that.
00:15:40.000When I hear about people's voting location changes and ballot issues and all of that, what are the specific action steps so we can restore people's faith in our elections?
00:15:52.000Well, I think there's a number of things we can do, Charlie.
00:15:55.000Number one, one of the first things I would do is I would disaggregate the voting centers and get back to precinct voting.
00:16:01.000And I would actually make the precincts smaller.
00:16:03.000Right now, precincts are pretty good sized.
00:16:05.000But when you say we're going to aggregate voting centers, so you have lots of different precincts that can go.
00:16:10.000And then you say they can go anywhere they want.
00:16:25.000I mean, we need to get back to that because this aggregation into one place really gets rid of some of those checks.
00:16:32.000So that would be step number one and two with that.
00:16:36.000The next thing is, I think you need to get back to limiting your absentee ballot to people who really are going to be out of the country, whether it's military ballots, people who are disabled or have health problems or who really have to apply for it every time.
00:16:51.000So the Pebble, the permanent early ballot, early voting list, that can be a problem.
00:16:59.000Maybe it's not as clean as we would like.
00:17:01.000I guess a third thing that you would do is you would say, we're going to make sure that we make it easier to clean up those voter lists in Arizona.
00:17:09.000And one of the measures that I was trying to get put in this bill is you have to clean it up within 90 days.
00:17:15.000You have to always get rid of the registrations of people who have died or moved.
00:17:21.000You got to clean that up within 90 days.
00:17:35.000It's terrible that we're counting ballots a week, two weeks after.
00:17:40.000As a guy who went through a close election one time, I can tell you, it is murderous to sit there just waiting for a long time to find it if you want.
00:17:48.000And then you go through the recount period, which is another two weeks.
00:18:00.000And then I guess maybe one more thing that we could do that would really be helpful is we need to make sure that we are conducting an audit, not necessarily a recount, but an actual forensic audit and making sure that those go.
00:18:16.000I mean, I thought Arizona did a fairly decent job before this last election, but I will tell you that a National Rating Service put us kind of like right in the middle of the pack to the lower half.
00:18:28.000So it tells me that there's a lot of things we can really do to make this better.
00:19:25.000I think because he understood that he might lose some, maybe some, I don't know.
00:19:29.000You'll have to ask him, but maybe thought he was going to lose some of this executive authority that came out with regard to the COVID stuff.
00:19:35.000But the point is, no more autopilot to certification of your electors.
00:19:41.000The legislature should have to come back in together, hear the presentation before they, and then vote to certify and then hand it over to the governor at that point to make the official certification.
00:20:48.000So, Congressman, I know you have a tight schedule to keep, and I want to thank you for coming on, but I want to end with just talking about Arizona.
00:20:55.000Arizona is where we're doing our broadcast from right now.
00:21:42.000By the way, you're not the first person that I've talked to since the election that has talked about the taxes and the weed and all the other things that have caused such enormous problems for our state.