The Charlie Kirk Show - February 06, 2024


Senator Lankford’s Poisonous Border Bill?


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Sen. Lankford is back in the chair, but not 100% recovered from his recent illness. We talk about the impact of the Lankford virus, and the impact it has had on the immigration debate. We also discuss the latest in the fight against the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals ruling on the Dreamers.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody, it's in the Charlie Kirk show.
00:00:01.000 My two co-hosts, Blake and Andrew, helped me through this episode.
00:00:05.000 I'm still recovering from the Senator Lankford virus.
00:00:08.000 That's right.
00:00:09.000 He might have poisoned me.
00:00:10.000 I'm half kidding.
00:00:11.000 You know, as soon as I read that border bill, I came down.
00:00:13.000 Something's made in a lab.
00:00:14.000 I've never felt like this.
00:00:15.000 It's very weird.
00:00:16.000 But hey, we're back in the chair.
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00:00:37.000 Here we go.
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00:01:37.000 I am here today, still a little under the weather.
00:01:40.000 Blake is co-piloting along with Andrew to help me through all this.
00:01:43.000 And you just got to fight through it.
00:01:45.000 Sometimes you don't feel 100%, but you got to go there.
00:01:47.000 By the way, I know some of you are emailing us about the Matt Gates conference, press conference.
00:01:52.000 We're going to try to cut to that.
00:01:53.000 So, Blake, haven't been feeling well.
00:01:56.000 What's been going on the last couple of days?
00:01:57.000 Catch me up to speed.
00:01:58.000 Well, luckily, it was all building up.
00:02:00.000 So we spent weeks, months, even.
00:02:03.000 We heard these rumors.
00:02:04.000 James Lankford is working on some sort of immigration deal.
00:02:07.000 Okay, that raises an eyebrow.
00:02:09.000 Then the details start coming out, what they're going to give, what they're going to get for it.
00:02:13.000 So they, you know, the Democrats get $60 billion for Ukraine, and in return, we get, well, it wasn't really clear, but they said, you have to wait.
00:02:24.000 These are all rumors.
00:02:25.000 You have to wait for the final bill.
00:02:26.000 Don't believe all this fearmongering.
00:02:28.000 But Blake, Blake, don't forget the line that a lie will get around the world twice before the truth has a chance to put on its pants.
00:02:36.000 I believe that was Lankford's.
00:02:38.000 The truth put on its pants.
00:02:39.000 And what the pants were was 50,000 new legal immigrant visas a year.
00:02:45.000 And any challenge has to go through the DC Circuit Court of Appeals.
00:02:49.000 And also the Secretary of Homeland Security, who we're currently impeaching, can just ignore the law whenever he wants, you know, if he thinks it's a good idea.
00:02:58.000 And so those were the pants that it had to put on.
00:03:01.000 And then it came out.
00:03:02.000 And apparently, McConnell and Lankford were just caught totally off guard that people didn't like this.
00:03:08.000 So, so, Blake, was it worse, the same, or better than what we expected?
00:03:14.000 I think you have to say worse because there was nothing positive that they were keeping hidden from us that managed to not leak out.
00:03:22.000 But there were things we hadn't heard.
00:03:23.000 I hadn't heard about the DC Circuit Court thing until the bill dropped.
00:03:27.000 I'm not sure that we heard about 50,000 new visas.
00:03:30.000 Blake, explain that again, though, the DC Circuit thing, because that's key.
00:03:34.000 Sure, sure.
00:03:34.000 So we've had all these court challenges to the Biden immigration policies, like when they were trying to scuttle remain in Mexico, some of their other stuff.
00:03:43.000 There will be legal challenges in federal court.
00:03:45.000 And we've had a good number of rulings that are in our favor come out of the Fifth Circuit, for example.
00:03:51.000 I think some other jurisdictions.
00:03:53.000 And those have at least slowed down what the Biden administration was attempting to do.
00:03:58.000 So, you know, the Supreme Court the other day did strike down something we, or at least they removed an injunction on the barbed wire thing, for example.
00:04:05.000 That's coming up from the federal courts.
00:04:07.000 So, what the bill was requiring or would require is any challenges to any provisions in this massive sweeping immigration overhaul bill have to be heard in the DC Circuit Court of Appeals under its original jurisdiction.
00:04:22.000 So, it's saying you can't sue for this law anywhere else.
00:04:26.000 It has to be in this one court, which is one of the more liberal appeals courts.
00:04:31.000 Well, and Blake, if you're going to bring up the D.C. Circuit, I mean, the D.C. Circuit's in the news again today because it basically just struck down President Trump's appeal for presidential immunity, right?
00:04:43.000 Now, they're going to appeal it.
00:04:44.000 It's going to go to the Supreme Court, but that's just one other proof point about the way the D.C. Circuit operates.
00:04:50.000 Exactly, exactly.
00:04:50.000 And it doesn't override the Supreme Court.
00:04:52.000 So, if the Supreme Court's on your side, that can still be good.
00:04:55.000 But the Supreme Court doesn't even hear remotely close to every case that is brought before it.
00:05:00.000 They have to be selective, and that slows everything down.
00:05:03.000 So, it often matters a great deal who is controlling things at the lower level, if only for the status quo.
00:05:09.000 If a case takes two years, that's half a presidential administration.
00:05:13.000 So, it matters a lot whether that lower court's ruling is favorable to the administration or hostile to the administration.
00:05:19.000 That could be a million people, one way or the other.
00:05:22.000 So, we do have, I want to keep on the border bill thing.
00:05:26.000 If we have it, Ryan, let's just throw to just for a little taste.
00:05:29.000 This is Matt Gates introducing a resolution saying President Trump didn't engage in insurrection.
00:05:33.000 Now, this is not going to go anywhere legislatively, but it's interesting to see how the House Republican Conference has changed on the entire January 6th question and the insurrection question.
00:05:44.000 Let's just get a little taste here, and then we'll be right back.
00:05:46.000 Let's play this really quick.
00:05:48.000 We had, and we watched cities burn across this country in the name of peaceful protest.
00:05:55.000 Yet, President Trump and his supporters were vilified for doing nothing more than exercising their First Amendment rights.
00:06:03.000 You know, the American people know there's a two-tier justice system in this country, but I would factually, I will tell you, there's a triple threat.
00:06:10.000 We have weaponization of the Department of Justice under the Biden administration, and they absolutely work in collaboration with Democratic secretaries of states, and then they work with far-left judicial activist judges.
00:06:25.000 And together, they have launched a coordinated attack on our elections to silence the voice of millions of Americans.
00:06:33.000 But their calculated distortion of the truth is aimed to deny Biden's chief political opposition an appearance on the 2024 ballot and interfere with the presidential election.
00:06:45.000 You know, this is not partisan politics, folks.
00:06:49.000 It's aimed.
00:06:52.000 This country is divided, and the people know it.
00:06:54.000 And you know why?
00:06:55.000 Because they get half-truths or no truth at all.
00:06:59.000 And I've watched the faces of some of you reporters, and you smirk.
00:07:04.000 But that's exactly what's happened.
00:07:06.000 They get half-truths or no truths at all.
00:07:09.000 Put it all out there.
00:07:10.000 Let the American people make their own judgment.
00:07:13.000 And the last thing I'm going to say is this: we have to stand strong against this evil.
00:07:19.000 There's a verse of scripture, Ephesians 6:12, and it says, We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers and rulers of this dark world.
00:07:30.000 And we wrestle against spiritual wickedness, spiritual wickedness in high places.
00:07:37.000 So my message to the American people is simple: armor up and get ready for the spiritual battle ahead because it's going to be a battle.
00:07:46.000 And with that, Ms. Green.
00:07:48.000 Yeah. 0.93
00:07:48.000 Ms. Green. 0.93
00:07:49.000 Well, come on up, Marjorie.
00:07:51.000 It's your turn.
00:07:52.000 Thank you, guys.
00:07:53.000 Thank you, Matt.
00:07:54.000 Thank you.
00:07:55.000 Thank you, Matt.
00:07:58.000 Not one single person has been charged with insurrection.
00:08:03.000 Not one single person has been convicted with insurrection.
00:08:08.000 Not one.
00:08:09.000 In every single court of our land, no one's been charged and convicted with insurrection.
00:08:14.000 Yet Democrats and dishonest people in the media every single day accuse President Trump of waging an insurrection and accuse many of us of waging an insurrection.
00:08:28.000 And you're doing nothing but lying and selling the lies of the Democrats all for campaigns and elections.
00:08:35.000 Shame on every single person that has done that. 0.83
00:08:38.000 Shame on you.
00:08:40.000 You need to tell the truth.
00:08:41.000 You have the freedom of press, one of the greatest rights in this entire world.
00:08:47.000 And anyone that puts the word insurrectionist, calls President Trump an insurrectionist, and calls any of us an insurrectionist is a liar and you do not deserve the power that you possess. 0.98
00:09:00.000 Shame on you. 1.00
00:09:02.000 Shame on you.
00:09:03.000 Let me give you guys a little history lesson, okay?
00:09:07.000 When President Trump was inaugurated, Antifa and leftist rioters nearly burned down Washington, D.C. Did you call it an insurrection?
00:09:17.000 No. 0.98
00:09:18.000 BLM raised millions of dollars on the Act Blue Democrat fundraising website and then proceeded to cause $2 billion in damages across American cities and communities all in 2020, every day, not one day for three hours, every damn day. 0.92
00:09:38.000 Did you call it an insurrection?
00:09:40.000 They attacked police officers, federal courthouses, tore down statues, burned 93 police vehicles.
00:09:47.000 Did you in the media call it an insurrection?
00:09:50.000 No, you did not.
00:09:51.000 You called it mostly peaceful.
00:09:54.000 And you lied to the American people and the American people don't trust you anymore because of that.
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00:11:24.000 I want to talk about the, so the border deal is dead before it's even alive.
00:11:28.000 It might be.
00:11:29.000 It might be.
00:11:29.000 This is the politico headline this morning.
00:11:32.000 Actually, I think it was last night it came out.
00:11:34.000 Senate's border deal teeters on brink of collapse.
00:11:38.000 And Lankford is not even sure if he's going to vote for his own bill.
00:11:41.000 So it's they're kind of it's legalistic stuff.
00:11:43.000 It's about cloture.
00:11:44.000 That's, you know, the thing where 60, they need 60 votes to end debate.
00:11:49.000 And so he's saying, you know, I might vote against cloture because we need to keep talking about this bill.
00:11:54.000 That sort of stuff.
00:11:55.000 Yeah, he's not, he's not exactly defending it with great gusto.
00:11:58.000 Exactly.
00:11:59.000 So, what I find interesting is Senator McConnell came out and he said that the tone in the country has changed.
00:12:08.000 Andrew, what do you make of that?
00:12:10.000 I think our show and Bannon's show and the social media footprint are somewhere to credit for this.
00:12:17.000 And this is what I try to tell more moderate donors and senators when they try to tell me, hey, we need mass amnesty.
00:12:24.000 I said, I don't think you guys really know the room that you're trying to sell something to.
00:12:29.000 Andrew, this seemed to be, and I know we have Senator Lee coming up.
00:12:32.000 This seemed to be a like 48-hour tsunami wake-up call for Senate Republicans.
00:12:39.000 Yeah, I think it was longer than that.
00:12:41.000 I mean, this, that the Fox graphic that was leaked based on leaked information.
00:12:48.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:12:49.000 Rosemary Jenks, who we had on the show, I mean, that was, what, two, three weeks ago now?
00:12:54.000 That, I mean, we came out of the gate strong.
00:12:56.000 I mean, you, your, your tweet definitely raised some eyeballs saying, hey, if this is true, we're going to, we're going to primary you. 0.99
00:13:03.000 You're a fraud.
00:13:04.000 And, you know, I, other voices like Molly Hemingway have come on, you know, and said, you should, basically, Lankford, you should step down, let Governor Stitt replace you with somebody that represents the state of Oklahoma better. 0.95
00:13:17.000 So I think this has not only been a 48-hour tsunami, I think it's been a couple of weeks.
00:13:21.000 And we heard Punch Bowl News reported a couple of weeks back as well that McConnell was starting to change his tone on this border deal.
00:13:31.000 He's sort of a deliberating character historically.
00:13:35.000 So I would venture to guess what happens is he saw that Trump was dominating in Ohio, dominating in New Hampshire.
00:13:43.000 He's going to win South Carolina.
00:13:44.000 He's the presumptive nominee for all intents and purposes.
00:13:47.000 And he understands that the party's going to go where Trump's going to go.
00:13:51.000 But he also had this border deal already in process that was getting negotiated.
00:13:55.000 So he's like, hey, let's see this through.
00:13:56.000 Let's see if the mood changes.
00:13:58.000 But if it doesn't, I don't want to undermine Trump.
00:14:01.000 I don't want that fight.
00:14:03.000 And, you know, Trump's no fan of McConnell.
00:14:06.000 That's not a secret.
00:14:08.000 But he was kind of seeing both pass through to see which one was going to lead him to a promising political outcome.
00:14:16.000 You know, and it's very apparent because of the uproar.
00:14:20.000 And it came almost immediately.
00:14:21.000 There was basically there's two voices on the right currently that seem to be supporting this.
00:14:26.000 It's Brandon Judd, the Customs and Border Patrol Union, who's saying that this is a step in the right direction.
00:14:31.000 There's like Dan Crenshaw, basically, who's showing a willingness to engage this bill.
00:14:37.000 I haven't seen anybody else come out in support of it.
00:14:41.000 And I would say, and I'm not saying that Crenshaw is fully supporting.
00:14:44.000 He's just sort of taking a, hey, let's read the bill and process this.
00:14:48.000 Now, what I'm interested with Mike Lee, Charlie, and I think you're going to ask him this, is Brandon Judd's making the claim that this does not hamstring President Trump if he were to be elected.
00:14:59.000 So that President Trump's executive authority to shut the border down would not be inhibited by this bill.
00:15:04.000 I think that's a central question that we need to uncover.
00:15:08.000 But yeah, I mean, the political wins have certainly changed.
00:15:11.000 McConnell, you would agree, Charlie, he is a very, very savvy behind the scenes operator.
00:15:17.000 So basically, based on sources that I have within the Senate, McConnell is now, he heard and saw the backlash, or at least his staff did.
00:15:25.000 It was so overwhelming.
00:15:26.000 And it wasn't just us, but it was all this, even smart, cool kids, you know, on television, op-eds, you know, even center-right voices.
00:15:35.000 It was unanimously against it, except for Brandon Judd and for Dan Crenshaw off the top of my head.
00:15:41.000 McConnell, he's thinking, how can I get money to Ukraine?
00:15:44.000 How can I get money to Ukraine?
00:15:45.000 And he's worried that this is going to really blow up.
00:15:49.000 So don't be surprised if Senate Republicans volley back a much more aggressive border bill that will just die and say that it was the Democrats' fault that's the counter, right?
00:16:00.000 They passed HR2, so they might try and return to that.
00:16:03.000 Senate Republicans, the problem is that they don't control the legislative docket in the Senate.
00:16:07.000 So Schumer would have to take something up.
00:16:09.000 So it would just have to be a, it'd have to be the text of a bill that the Senate Republicans resurrect.
00:16:14.000 Do you think we maybe get some sort of game of chicken with Ukraine? 0.94
00:16:18.000 Because there's reports.
00:16:19.000 New York Times had a report on Ukraine where it's very negative.
00:16:22.000 They're talking about they won all of the first year.
00:16:25.000 The second year was a draw and now they're very much on the ballot foot on the defense.
00:16:29.000 Yeah.
00:16:29.000 So they could get, what if we get to this phase where they seem to seriously be losing and this takes over the border debate in a kind of strange way.
00:16:37.000 The way that the Ukraine issue has changed is directly tied to the border topic as well.
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00:17:47.000 Joining us now is Senator Mike Lee.
00:17:50.000 Senator, you have been very outspoken on Twitter and social media about this bill.
00:17:55.000 It was negotiated in secret, and it was worse than even advertised.
00:17:59.000 Senator Lee, your response and also, is this bill dead?
00:18:03.000 It's just mostly dead.
00:18:04.000 It's not completely dead, but it's mostly dead.
00:18:07.000 I think it's likely to not pass on the cloture vote.
00:18:12.000 A cloture vote brings debate to a close on something.
00:18:15.000 The first cloture vote we would have this week, if we were to turn to it, would be what's called cloture on the motion to proceed.
00:18:22.000 It's bringing an end to debate on a different motion, deciding whether to begin debate.
00:18:28.000 And so as a result of that, it takes 60 votes as a cloture vote, and I don't think they will get to 60.
00:18:34.000 And the reason I don't think they will get to 60 is I think Republicans are turning on it left and right.
00:18:39.000 They realize that it doesn't do what it promised to do.
00:18:42.000 And as a result, it has become wildly unpopular with our voting base.
00:18:47.000 This is the predictable, foreseeable, and inexorable result of having negotiated something behind closed doors with one or two people handing the negotiation on behalf of 49 and then not keeping those 49 updated and apprised with details and even with details, including legislative text for like three or four months.
00:19:10.000 When that happens, the ideas of the negotiator grow distant from those in the larger group.
00:19:17.000 And that is a recipe for disaster.
00:19:19.000 And that was a disaster that was spelled out very clearly here.
00:19:23.000 Yeah.
00:19:23.000 So, Senator, I have to, and forgive me.
00:19:27.000 What does mostly dead mean?
00:19:29.000 It may be likely to be likely to meet demise.
00:19:32.000 In theory, in theory, this bill could still survive.
00:19:35.000 But that is a theoretical notion at this point, a theoretical notion that doesn't appear to have any significant chance of success.
00:19:43.000 Now, in theory, they could decide to come plain and say, yeah, do you know what?
00:19:49.000 We didn't do what this should have done.
00:19:51.000 We didn't do what a lot of Senate Republicans, including myself, were saying for a long time.
00:19:57.000 If you're going to try to negotiate in border security to require a border security outcome in this bill and then tie that to Ukraine funding, which I don't like, but could theoretically consider if it actually did something real on the border, if it actually ended once and for all the border crisis, then it has to actually do that thing.
00:20:19.000 So we had suggested from the beginning, if you're going to try this experiment, we're not sure it'll work or if it's a good idea, but if you're going to do it, you've got to do it right, which means you've got to include HR2, or at least its core elements, and you've got to include border security metrics that would tie the release of any Ukraine funding to the achievement of those border security benchmarks that are measurable and objective.
00:20:43.000 In other words, if you could bring down daily migrant encounters to less than 500, for example, and sustain that for a period of time, that's at a level that the Border Patrol says it can handle so that it doesn't have to go releasing people into the country in mass.
00:20:58.000 That sort of thing might have had some potential.
00:21:02.000 But when it all came down, they just ignored those suggestions.
00:21:07.000 And Senator Lankford, unfortunately, was instructed by Leader McConnell not to even bring that up.
00:21:12.000 Why, I cannot fathom to understand.
00:21:15.000 But that essentially guaranteed the result they're now facing, which is the utter demise of the bill.
00:21:20.000 So, Senator, the other part of this, there's a leaked sentiment that Senator McConnell said that the tone of the country has changed.
00:21:28.000 I mean, if anyone pays attention, you know that.
00:21:30.000 I mean, as if they had to introduce this garbage bill that took them months to put together to learn that the American people and the American right are not going to put up with mass amnesty and with the capitulation and the destruction of our sovereignty. 0.90
00:21:43.000 Can you help me understand that, how they suddenly came to this realization after wasting all of this time and introducing this garbage bill?
00:21:52.000 I can't provide understanding on that part because it's unintelligible.
00:21:56.000 It is indiscernible.
00:21:59.000 I don't know of anything that has changed among the American people by way of sentiment about the need for border security.
00:22:09.000 Not one thing.
00:22:10.000 I don't see anything that has changed.
00:22:13.000 Now, some will try to make it about the fact that, well, okay, people have turned on it because conservatives have been sounding the warning bell after they got a few details starting about a month ago without seeing text.
00:22:27.000 Some of us started saying, hey, we're worried about what we're told this is going to include.
00:22:32.000 We were then pushed back on by Senate Republican leadership and told, well, no, no, what they're saying is not true at all.
00:22:40.000 Turns out most of what we were warning about was in fact in the bill, and a lot of it was a lot worse than we anticipated.
00:22:47.000 Meanwhile, some of them say, some of them are mocking us for the fact that we were requiring, we're demanding that we have two or three weeks at a minimum to review this thing.
00:22:56.000 We should actually have much longer than that, but we wanted to make sure we didn't get jammed, forced to vote and pass this thing in a matter of days after it's released.
00:23:04.000 Now, yesterday, some of them came out and said, oh, well, the same people clamoring that they needed to see it for two or three weeks before voting on it have already decided that they're voting against it.
00:23:14.000 As if our requests for time were somehow disingenuous.
00:23:18.000 You've got to remember, Charlie, it takes time to digest the whole thing.
00:23:21.000 Yes, I've been loud.
00:23:23.000 I've been loud since Sunday night.
00:23:24.000 I got this thing at about, I think it was about 7 p.m. Eastern, and I started tearing through it.
00:23:31.000 And as I found new provisions that were troubling, I commented on them on my base, Mike Lee at Keanu, Twitter, pointing out some legitimate concerns.
00:23:42.000 By the next morning, I'd seen so many of these that I was very confident that I could not vote for this.
00:23:48.000 That is not the same as saying that does not mean that our request for time was insincere.
00:23:54.000 You see, it takes time to read it thoroughly.
00:23:57.000 I'm still not completely through it.
00:23:58.000 I still haven't figured out every Easter egg buried in this by the Biden White House to facilitate more illegal immigration at the hands of the drug cartels.
00:24:08.000 And it takes even more time to draft amendments and to offer up those amendments and debate those amendments and vote on them.
00:24:14.000 That's what it takes.
00:24:15.000 So it's very disingenuous of them to suggest that we were in any way insincere in our desire, our expressed need for more time.
00:24:24.000 That's the very nature of this whole problem.
00:24:27.000 You don't do this.
00:24:28.000 You don't negotiate for 49 people with one person for four months, refuse to give them details, and then criticize them for saying we need time to read it, and then criticize them for saying this is nothing like what we demanded all along.
00:24:42.000 So included in this is the Ukraine question.
00:24:46.000 Will there now be separate bills?
00:24:48.000 I mean, because the firm, as you call it, Senator, Ukraine funding is at the top of their list as far as priorities.
00:24:54.000 How are they going to get that done?
00:24:56.000 Are they going to do a standalone bill on Ukraine?
00:24:58.000 Are they going to try to loop Ukraine and Israel funding together?
00:25:02.000 Because the New York Times and many other stories are coming out that Ukraine is desperate need of resources.
00:25:09.000 America is starving them of resources.
00:25:11.000 McConnell has said that what's happening in Ukraine is the most important thing.
00:25:16.000 I personally think you must fund Israel. 0.90
00:25:18.000 We have to get that done 100%.
00:25:20.000 Ukraine, I'm not there.
00:25:24.000 How is the firm going to navigate this?
00:25:27.000 Because their plan was to try to put it all together with the supplemental.
00:25:30.000 Yeah, I'm with you on both of those points, Charlie.
00:25:34.000 Yes, on Israel.
00:25:36.000 I'm very reluctant on Ukraine for the reasons that you've identified.
00:25:41.000 And by the way, didn't European Union nations just pony up, I don't know, $54 billion or something along those lines?
00:25:48.000 This is one of the things that happened.
00:25:50.000 This is the magic of the United States stopping, pausing, and saying, wait a minute, maybe we shouldn't be funding this.
00:25:57.000 Remember, we've given more military aid to Ukraine than any other nation on earth and every other nation combined last night checked, at least prior to this more recent announcement by the European Union.
00:26:08.000 It may still be true.
00:26:09.000 I don't know.
00:26:10.000 But when we allow our European allies who are closer to this action, who have given less, when we allow them breathing space, then they can decide that it's worth it to them.
00:26:21.000 As far as where the firm goes from here, by that, in this context, I mean the law firm of Schumer and McConnell, I suspect that both of the alternatives that you described at first, running Ukraine as an independent standalone and then possibly also running Ukraine and Israel together.
00:26:40.000 I'm sure that's under consideration.
00:26:42.000 Here's my suspicion, my hunch and my worry, Charlie.
00:26:47.000 I'm afraid that they're going to combine Ukraine and Israel funding and whatever else they want by way of Taiwan-related funding.
00:26:56.000 They're going to put that in an omnibus spending bill.
00:27:00.000 They're going to take our current spending expiration date sometime in early March, extend that out into mid to late April.
00:27:08.000 We'll see an omnibus that includes Ukraine and possibly Israel if it's not passed as a standalone by then.
00:27:15.000 And then add in FISA 702 reauthorization without meaningful reforms or with only fig leaf reforms and a bunch of other nonsense.
00:27:24.000 They'll put all that in there.
00:27:26.000 That's how the firm operates.
00:27:27.000 And that's a classic example of what the firm did here.
00:27:31.000 Negotiated months behind closed doors in secret, keeping most members and especially the public from seeing it, then unleashing it at the last minute before an artificially imposed deadline contrived by the firm itself, telling members that some catastrophe will befall us if we don't pass whatever it is that they wrote, even without having a chance to read, debate, or amend it.
00:27:53.000 And that's the reality.
00:27:55.000 This has to end.
00:27:57.000 The firm will continue to do this as long as the firm gets more powerful every time they do it.
00:28:04.000 And when it works, time after time after time, they will continue to do it.
00:28:08.000 That's why I'm encouraged by this incident, because this incident shows them that there are limits to it.
00:28:13.000 This one didn't work.
00:28:14.000 This bill is nearly dead.
00:28:16.000 And I hope they learned their lesson, but I'm not holding my breath.
00:28:20.000 Senator, keep fighting.
00:28:21.000 Thank you for your moral and political clarity on this.
00:28:24.000 We have your back.
00:28:26.000 And I certainly hope your prediction doesn't come true, that they just make this a massive omnibus that they put in Israel, Ukraine, 702 reauthorization.
00:28:36.000 That would be no good.
00:28:37.000 Okay, Senator, thank you so much.
00:28:38.000 Thank you.
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00:29:32.000 Blake, who's in Russia?
00:29:33.000 Tucker Carlson is in Russia, or at least was in Russia as of yesterday.
00:29:38.000 This shouldn't be too big of a shock.
00:29:39.000 It is an open secret.
00:29:40.000 He's wanted to interview Putin for quite some time.
00:29:42.000 We wanted to interview Putin when I was at Fox.
00:29:44.000 You know, it's way back.
00:29:46.000 Andrew, this wasn't a huge surprise, but the media is completely losing it over Tucker visiting Russia.
00:29:53.000 Oh, Brian will have to tell me what the clip is, but there was this great clip of on CNN yesterday.
00:30:00.000 I mean, it was the best clip I've ever seen.
00:30:02.000 I mean, Aaron Burnett, I mean, we hear about Trump derangement syndrome, and this is some like amalgamation of Tucker-Putin derangement syndrome.
00:30:12.000 It's like, and I think you tweeted something like, you know, CNN is absolutely seething for Tucker daring to do actual journalism.
00:30:20.000 And I mean, you would think scoring an interview with Putin in the midst of a war, a major, major political figure on the world stage, would be heralded as a good thing.
00:30:31.000 Hear what the guy has to say.
00:30:32.000 Like, make him defend his position.
00:30:34.000 But no, it's all about, you know, Tucker is a Putin puppet.
00:30:38.000 Okay, let's play some pieces of tape here.
00:30:40.000 Tucker Carlson is in Russia.
00:30:41.000 So do you think that Tucker will be arrested upon his arrival if he returns?
00:30:45.000 If he returns, I think he'll probably be okay, but they're trying to, they're amping everyone up.
00:30:50.000 There's increasing chatter that saying he should be arrested for foreign espionage and for foreign agent stuff.
00:30:56.000 I mean, you know, the typical MSNBC people.
00:30:59.000 Is there anything that they don't want to be illegal that they dislike?
00:31:02.000 I mean, but also think about it.
00:31:04.000 He's going there to talk to the antagonist of this war.
00:31:09.000 Isn't that a good thing to kind of hear what he has to say and to keep the lines of communication open?
00:31:13.000 You know, if it was a war we were actually fighting, I could maybe understand some suspicion about it.
00:31:19.000 But again, we're not in this war.
00:31:21.000 We just do a weird shadow war instead.
00:31:23.000 All right.
00:31:24.000 CNN melts down to the thought of Tucker Carlson conducting an interview, PlayCut 18.
00:31:24.000 This is Cut 18.
00:31:30.000 A massive shakeup in Kyiv coming as Putin is trying to court the MAGA GOP in the United States.
00:31:36.000 In fact, one of the leaders of the MAGA GOP is in Moscow tonight.
00:31:41.000 It's the man you see here with the MAGA leader, Donald Trump, Tucker Carlson.
00:31:46.000 Possibly there in Moscow to interview Putin.
00:31:49.000 Definitely there as a Putin supporting celebrity.
00:31:52.000 Now, it is unclear if an interview between Putin and Carlson will take place, but if it does, it gives Putin a chance to sit down with a big supporter.
00:32:00.000 Okay, so lots to unpack here.
00:32:02.000 How should we think about this, Blake?
00:32:04.000 It's just, you know, Barbara Walters, I believe, interviewed Fidel Castro.
00:32:09.000 Chris Wallace interviewed Putin at some point, I believe.
00:32:12.000 There's definitely been Putin interviews in the past, and it really shows the amount of there's like this cloistering of the left, of the regime, or whatever term you want to use.
00:32:25.000 They narrow what they're allowed to even think about as more challenges erupt.
00:32:31.000 So they freak out that people go to the border or go to the Darien Gap because it exposes what goes on there.
00:32:38.000 They freak out over anyone interviewing a foreign leader because the list of foreign leaders that they've equated with Hitler keeps getting longer and longer.
00:32:46.000 It turns out 20% of the world is Hitler. 0.68
00:32:48.000 Who knew?
00:32:49.000 And they just, they can't handle this, much like they could, you know, they couldn't handle Twitter being an open space or X as it is now.
00:32:57.000 It totally freaks them out that that's a free space for discussion.
00:33:02.000 And this is just the thing.
00:33:04.000 Like, what do you have to worry about?
00:33:06.000 Honestly, I would, you know, as someone, you know, sympathetic towards Tucker and all of that, I'd be worried.
00:33:12.000 You know, what if the interview's bad?
00:33:14.000 Because there are a lot of serious questions you could ask Putin.
00:33:17.000 Are we going to get all those questions?
00:33:18.000 I don't know.
00:33:19.000 But instead, they're just freaking out at the idea of someone talking to Vladimir Putin.
00:33:24.000 He's a major world leader.
00:33:25.000 World leader.
00:33:26.000 We're being asked to spend, what are we at now?
00:33:29.000 $250 billion to wage a war against him?
00:33:32.000 That's as much as we spend in Afghanistan.
00:33:34.000 Andrew, you have a thought here?
00:33:36.000 Yeah, I just, I want to key in on Aaron Burnett's use of MAGA conservative.
00:33:41.000 Who does that sound like?
00:33:44.000 It sounds like Joe Biden.
00:33:45.000 It's symmetrical messaging is what we're seeing.
00:33:48.000 Yeah, well, so what you're seeing really is the pot calling the kettle black.
00:33:53.000 So Aaron Burnett doesn't like that Tucker Carlson is a conservative, but we don't like that Aaron Burnett is parroting Biden talking points and true story.
00:34:03.000 So Tucker was just in Canada and they sold that out.
00:34:06.000 And Justin Trudeau, the prime minister, is mad about that.
00:34:10.000 He's demanding that the conservative leader of Canada denounce all of this.
00:34:14.000 And he's calling the people who attended that in Canada MAGA conservatives.
00:34:18.000 He's using that as a slur on Canadian conservatives.
00:34:21.000 It is just a global label.
00:34:24.000 But that's one thing for a politician to do, even a Canadian politician to do.
00:34:28.000 You know, Fidel Castro's son can say whatever he wants in Canada, even if conservatives can't.
00:34:34.000 But for an American journalist to actually parrot MAGA conservative talking points from Joe Biden just shows how in bed they are over at CNN with the regime.
00:34:46.000 And I think that's, I mean, that's, I can just imagine Tucker seeing that clip and just laughing hysterically.
00:34:52.000 Like it's your favorite part of Tucker's personality, I know, but we all love, we all love when Tucker laughs like that because that's exactly what this clip deserves.
00:35:02.000 It deserves our scorn.
00:35:03.000 It deserves our mockery.
00:35:06.000 But, you know, it's fun to watch, I will say, watching CNN lose their utter minds over journalism.
00:35:13.000 Everybody, email us freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:35:16.000 It also makes you wonder, did Tucker see Edward Snowden?
00:35:18.000 That's an interesting question.
00:35:19.000 We'll find out.
00:35:20.000 I mean, that would be journalism.
00:35:22.000 Glenn Greenwald won an award for sitting down with Snowden.
00:35:28.000 Thanks so much for listening.
00:35:29.000 Everybody, email us as alwaysfreedom at CharlieKirk.com.
00:35:32.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.
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