00:00:08.000Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, I sit down with Senator Martha McSally, who's in a very important race in Arizona.
00:00:14.000Email me your questions, freedom at charliekirk.com, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:00:19.000If you want to attend our event in Arizona where Senator Martha McSally will be there alongside the great 45th president of the United States President, Donald Trump, go to trumpstudents.org.
00:01:12.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:20.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:02:02.000So I share a little in Dare to Fly how I went from being a motion sick, pudgy, very shy girl to becoming the first woman in U.S. history to fly a fighter jet in combat.
00:02:14.000And my journey along the way to finding my courage, finding my faith, getting through adversity, getting over some obstacles, and just living what America is all about.
00:02:26.000So I've had some unique experiences for sure.
00:02:28.000I mean, not a lot of people are going to fly fighter jets, but I bring you into the cockpit of the A-10 for my first time that I was clear for takeoff and complex missions in the south of Afghanistan.
00:02:40.000But what's all common amongst us is fear.
00:02:43.000And there's probably a lot of people who feel that right now.
00:02:49.000You know, I lost my dad when I was 12 years old, youngest of five kids, and other challenges I had that almost derailed me.
00:02:56.000But by the grace of God and the help of others in my life and being able to find my strength to push through that adversity, I was able to, you know, meet my destiny to serve our country in uniform for 26 years.
00:03:09.000And now I'm in a new combat zone in D.C.
00:03:11.000Well, and then if I remember your bio correctly, in 2001, you sued the Department of Defense.
00:03:28.000I share it in Dare to Fly, where one of my mantras is don't walk by a problem.
00:03:33.000And I was deployed to Kuwait, and I walked by the duty desk and I saw a picture of a young enlisted woman wearing the full black Muslim garb and headscarf.
00:05:32.000I have actually two of my abayas that were issued to me.
00:05:36.000One of them the Smithsonian asked for.
00:05:37.000I have another one of them still in my garage in a box.
00:05:41.000So we were using our hard-earned money to go buy in like theocratic medieval and make our service women wear it when they were on duty or off duty.
00:05:51.000So if I was traveling somewhere on duty, you would have to put it on over your uniform or from one military base to the other.
00:06:36.000When I first reached out to one of my mentors, when I was asking advice whether I should stand up against this, he told me to read the book of Esther.
00:06:44.000And as I read that story, I'm no Esther, but that Esther 414, can it be that you were put in this position for such a time as this?
00:06:53.000Was the conviction that continued to carry me through every single step and every decision I had to make?
00:06:58.000And my encouragement, which I share in this book, is don't walk by a problem and do the next right thing.
00:07:04.000And so every step along the way, I was just like, God, what's the next right thing to do?
00:07:09.000What's the next right thing to be true to my oath of office?
00:07:27.000What I love about the Book of Esther, it's the only book of the Bible that doesn't mention God explicitly, but God is present all throughout the Book of Esther.
00:07:36.000I remember when I first, so I first called back, I was overseas, I was in Kuwait when I was struggling whether I should bring it up or not.
00:07:41.000And I'm on a field phone where you have to say over, you know, you've got a delay.
00:07:46.000And my mentor was like, you need to read the book of Esther.
00:07:52.000I'm trying to decide whether I should speak out about this.
00:07:55.000But it's exactly what God used to have me really look at: could it be that I was given the opportunities to become an officer, to become a fighter pilot, to break through barriers for others, not just because I wanted to meet my dreams, but because I was now in this very position to speak for others and to stand in the gap for them and to fight for them.
00:08:16.000And that is what carried me through every difficult decision.
00:08:19.000And yeah, it wasn't easy, but I had a lot of people praying for me.
00:08:22.000I had a lot of wing men and wing women along the way who were encouraging me, even if it looked like I was standing alone.
00:08:28.000So you were the first woman to fly, you said combat missions?
00:08:36.000Tell a little about the experiences of that.
00:08:38.000We have a lot of young ladies that listen to this podcast, and they email us and they say, Charlie, I don't know how to stand up for what I believe in.
00:08:45.000I mean, I can't, it's hard for me to comprehend what it would be like being the only woman in the first woman in a very male-dominated military atmosphere.
00:10:43.000I think that's an interesting story and very instructive because there were legitimate barriers to what you wanted to accomplish.
00:10:49.000And instead of organizing mass protests or creating a new autonomous country within the Air Force Academy, you just applied yourself and worked harder.
00:11:23.000And the other thing is, I realize, had I not been detoured because I was delayed, I went to graduate school for a couple years because I had some other obstacles just getting into pilot training.
00:11:33.000But had I not been delayed and detoured, I wouldn't have been in the right place at the right time when the door opened.
00:11:38.000And I think a lot of people are feeling a little detoured right now in 2020, maybe.
00:11:42.000But as I look back, I see God's hand in my life pointing me in the direction I needed to go, maybe not the direction I wanted to go at that moment.
00:11:52.000And along the way, I grew as a person.
00:11:54.000I grew as a pilot, as an officer, and it equipped me for that moment when I was asked to step up and break through that barrier.
00:12:01.000So you're the U.S. Senator for Arizona.
00:12:03.000You are up for election here in November.
00:12:06.000It's critical that we as conservatives hold this seat up against the fake, moderate, true leftist, Mark Kelly.
00:12:15.000I now understand that he was driving around in a motorcycle with Chinese flags.
00:12:21.000Yeah, so my opponent has a lot of weaknesses, but one of them is him being financially beholden to multiple Chinese companies.
00:12:30.000And while I'm standing up to China, and I'm personally being threatened by the Chinese government, which is freaking out my family a little bit.
00:12:36.000Yeah, there's been about a half a dozen of us that have been standing really strongly saying China needs to be held accountable for the coronavirus, that they're trying to replace us as a leader of the world, and they're not going to do that.
00:12:46.000You know, as long as I'm serving in the Senate and President Trump's in the White House, and we've got strong leaders willing to stand up for America and what we believe in.
00:12:54.000And I think Americans are waking up to the path that they have been on for several decades now in plain sight, feeding on us like a parasite in many ways, building their military, stealing our technology.
00:13:05.000You know, we've been sending jobs overseas, Joe Biden and the whole Klan, you know, sending jobs overseas.
00:13:11.000And now we're relying on them for our PPE, for our pharmaceuticals.
00:13:41.000Yeah, and so you said your family, you were being threatened or something?
00:13:45.000Yeah, the Chinese government, by name, in their government-owned media, named about a half a dozen Republicans that they personally threatened and threatened to meddle in our election, and I was one of the names.
00:14:47.000And they've been using it for their own, you know, lining their own pockets, of course, growing their economy at the expense of American jobs.
00:15:13.000It's a state that President Trump won a plurality, but not a majority of votes.
00:15:17.000It's a state that people are calling a purple state.
00:15:20.000Joe Biden thinks he can win the state.
00:15:22.000Mark Kelly thinks they can win this state.
00:15:24.000I think they're going to be very disappointed.
00:15:26.000But this is very important for the future of our country.
00:15:30.000And it's very important that people recognize that the justices we select, the laws that we pass, if you give that kind of power to the radical left, people would think Arizona is a, oh, it's an automatic Republican state.
00:16:28.000And if you really want Joe Biden and Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and AOC and Bernie and the whole Klan in charge with their radical left agenda that they have, that is out of touch with how Arizonans, you know, with everyday Arizonans, is out of touch with what their values are.
00:16:46.000And Joe, I mean, my opponent's going to pretend he's not a Democrat this whole time.
00:16:50.000And his first vote is for Chuck Schumer and their extreme agenda.
00:16:53.000And I really, you know, as Arizonans come into focus on their vote, I think they'll start to realize what's at stake here.
00:16:59.000Yeah, so in Scottsdale, and you spoke out against this, it seemed like there were out-of-state rioters and activists in the streets.
00:17:07.000Scottsdale Fashion Square was ransacked.
00:17:50.000But we can also agree that the vast majority of men and women who get up every day to put on the uniform are there to protect and serve.
00:17:57.000And they do amazing things in our communities in so many areas, things they weren't even trained to do.
00:18:03.000And the left is now mainstreaming the idea that we don't need police, that they can just take over areas in America that looks like Somalia.
00:18:12.000I mean, that, you know, what is going on?
00:18:15.000When people call 911, they want to make sure if someone's breaking into their home, that these amazing Americans are going to come and put themselves in harm's way in order to protect others.
00:18:26.000So we're working on things to make sure that the good guys have everything they need, the good police officers have all the training and equipment that they need.
00:18:33.000And there's a culture, it's incentivized that there's a culture where, you know, the bad actors are routed out and that others are not standing by and watching someone committing a crime.
00:18:43.000But what the left is now doing related to this moment in time, they first wanted to abolish ICE.
00:18:51.000Now they want to get rid of the police.
00:18:56.000Arizonans want for us to be able to have people build a business, pour their whole lives into it, and not have it rioted and ransack like we saw happen here.
00:19:06.000Yeah, and just parts of the state that otherwise you wouldn't think that Scottsdale Fashion Square would have that kind of widespread anarchy.
00:19:14.000And it was just that if the Democrats continue to have power, it's almost as if that will continue.
00:19:20.000And so I'm glad you mentioned the China issue.
00:19:22.000I think that's one of the biggest issues concerning our country.
00:19:26.000And the Democrat Party has made it very clear that the free flow of capital from China, them stealing our military technology, they have no problems with this.
00:19:34.000And I would encourage you to try to get these Confucius Institutes closed in the state of Arizona, which are Chinese Communist Party funded.
00:19:42.000It's something I've been trying to lobby for.
00:20:05.000We need to ensure that we continue to have a strong military as we've watched what they're doing, taking over areas and building islands where they didn't exist in the South China Sea.
00:20:16.000Our allies in the Pacific need to wake up and keep working with us on this to stop their blatant military advances.
00:20:35.000You can't make an iPhone without a PC.
00:20:38.000You know, you can't, for those who care about green technology, you can't make a battery.
00:20:42.000You can't build an electric car unless you're using graphite.
00:20:46.000We have a company here in Arizona I met with, or I talked to them this week virtually, where they're building opportunities to bring that home so that we can manufacture it here in America because we're relying on China for this.
00:20:58.000So our PPE, we saw this at the beginning of the pandemic.
00:21:01.000We couldn't get masks except for going to China.
00:21:04.000So we need tax incentives for American companies to bring that manufacturing home.
00:21:08.000I'm already leaning on some legislation on this.
00:21:10.000We've got to focus on our health security, on our national security.
00:21:14.000When we bring up the defense bill, hopefully we'll attach some of this to that.
00:21:18.000And also, I think, tax incentives for investors, right?
00:21:21.000For American investors to invest in companies just like opportunity zones, invest in companies that are going to bring the supply chain home for key technologies for our security.
00:21:35.000But we've got to do that as quickly as possible for things to be made in America again.
00:21:40.000This is a great opportunity for American jobs, American innovation, but also our health security and our national security.
00:21:46.000We've got to hold Chinese leaders accountable for their malevolent behavior, both internally with Hong Kong and putting their minorities in concentration camps, but also 1 million Muslims in concentration camps.
00:22:06.000So there's the surveillance state, the technology.
00:22:09.000We've also, where we have Chicago and Boston and other cities that are using Chinese state-owned companies for their mass transit transportation.
00:22:20.000We've got Chinese companies that are giving drones to local law enforcement, donating them so that they can spy on U.S. citizens.
00:23:21.000So I shouldn't have to search so hard to find whether something's made in America or made in China.
00:23:25.000Yeah, and I look at the framing of this election as who do you really represent?
00:23:30.000And Mark Kelly and Joe Biden and all these other guys, if you look seriously, they don't have an underlying dying commitment to our country if you do any sort of that kind of business.
00:23:52.000And the three things you're not supposed to talk about, and Mark Kelly has to answer: do you believe in the autonomy of Taiwan?
00:23:57.000Do you believe in the autonomy of Tibet?
00:23:59.000And do you believe that Tiananmen Square was a massacre against peaceful protesters?
00:24:02.000And that'd be interesting to find out.
00:24:04.000So, in closing, a lot of conservatives focus on the Supreme Court as one of the biggest reasons to, like, the U.S. Senate, in a lot of ways, is the Supreme Court gatekeeper.
00:24:14.000And so President Trump has been terrific in appointing justices, disagree with some of the recent rulings, but generally, there's been some really good movement.
00:24:24.000Tell us on how you view what a Supreme Court justice should and should not do and how important it is going into November.
00:24:30.000Well, we're on the verge of our 200th confirmed judge since President Trump came into office.
00:24:36.000I haven't been in the Senate the whole time, but this is a lasting legacy of President Trump to transform the courts.
00:24:43.000You can see the appellate courts are now flipping.
00:24:45.000The Ninth Circuit actually is getting near even.
00:24:48.000And I'm looking for somebody who is going to interpret the Constitution the way it was written.
00:24:58.000It is an originalist forum, and they're going to be making a determination, not on what they would like, not on what they would prefer, but how it was written.
00:25:05.000And that should give a lot of conservatives fire to say, hey, we can't let Chuck Schumer pick our next Supreme Court justice.
00:25:57.000You have a very malevolent mixture of foreign adversaries and domestic forces that want to take back the Senate and the White House, which would mean, which would spell disaster for America.
00:26:53.000Prior to that, I was a senior vice president at Gateway Computers, which at the time was one of the largest computer manufacturers in the nation.
00:27:05.000We did all of our support in the United States.
00:27:10.000And I was responsible for sales, marketing, and support worldwide.
00:27:14.000And I was very proud of this because all the people that we talked to on the phones were mainly a call center and a manufacturing operation.
00:27:20.000All those call center people reported to me.
00:27:24.000And now all those jobs have gone out of the country, which makes me, I mean, call center jobs was a really, really big thing in the 90s, and it is not so much anymore.
00:27:34.000But I left there, and I started this company called PC Pit Stuff at the time.
00:27:40.000And it's just to make computers run faster.
00:27:43.000And then throughout the decades, I mean, we did what we call pivoting.
00:27:49.000As the times change, you know, the needs change.
00:27:53.000Back then, PC pissed up was because computers were running very slow.
00:27:56.000So we were able to diagnose a slow computer and tell them what's wrong.
00:28:00.000Ultimately, we wrote software to make computers run faster.
00:28:04.000And then, you know, in 2010, 2011, we went and realized that a lot of people were getting infected and there was a flaw in antivirus.
00:28:54.000Can you talk about the importance of why you need to keep your operations in America versus some of the other companies that have outsourced overseas?
00:30:33.000I mean, and the pictures are, I mean, a lot of people are uploading their pictures every place, so that's not that big a risk, but they can get infected.
00:30:42.000The number of infections is greatly increasing.
00:30:46.000As a young person, I mean, your pictures and those kind of things, if you're working on something, if you're working on a script, if you're making a video and that kind of thing, they're going to go after that, so all your work will be lost.
00:30:59.000Perhaps the largest thing is your workplace.
00:31:01.000So if you're getting infected, and then it's possible that your workplace will get infected.
00:31:08.000And so I think that is really the larger issue is whether, you know, and this is happening right now.
00:31:14.000And this has to do with password management, those things, is that if you are working someplace and you are using the same password that you use for, let's say, your email password, you have work email and business email, use that same password, that's a way for them to get into where you work.
00:31:28.000And then your work's going to get infected and then you're out of a job.
00:31:31.000Well, so in closing, can you just talk about young people and some advice for young people that might want to start a business, being an entrepreneur, starting something from nothing?
00:31:40.000Connect it with your story because so many young entrepreneurs that are trying to make it listen to this podcast.
00:31:47.000Well, I really think that, I mean, America is probably the best country for entrepreneurs in the entire history of the world.
00:31:55.000And so I hope that a lot more people can continue in that.
00:32:00.000My boss at Gateway, when he started, he was a young man.
00:32:16.000And obviously, he learned business very quickly.
00:32:19.000I mean, if you can learn very quickly, I think the one thing about a good entrepreneur at a young age is your ability to learn very quickly and adapt to what you see in front of you.