The Charlie Kirk Show - June 20, 2020


Senator Martha McSally | How to Fight—Lessons From America's First Female Combat Pilot

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Sen. Martha McSally (R-AZ) is running for re-election in the hotly contested primary race between Republican Krysten Sinema and Democratic challenger Jon Tester (D-AZ). In this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show, she talks about how she became the first woman in U.S. history to fly a fighter jet in combat and how she went from being a motion sick, pudgy, very shy girl to becoming the first Muslim woman in the history of the United States to fly in combat.

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00:01:32.000 Hey, everybody.
00:01:32.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:35.000 I am here in the great state of Arizona with Senator Martha McSally.
00:01:39.000 Hey, Senator, thanks for having me on with you.
00:01:41.000 You bet.
00:01:41.000 It's been some crazy couple months.
00:01:43.000 I know you've been in D.C. fighting quite a lot.
00:01:46.000 And you also wrote a book during this lockdown.
00:01:49.000 So first, just tell us about yourself.
00:01:51.000 You have an amazing biography.
00:01:53.000 Served our country.
00:01:54.000 Thanks.
00:01:54.000 And now you're U.S. Senator running for reelection or election from being appointed here in Arizona.
00:02:01.000 So tell us your story.
00:02:02.000 So I share a little in Dare to Fly how I went from being a motion sick, pudgy, very shy girl to becoming the first woman in U.S. history to fly a fighter jet in combat.
00:02:14.000 And my journey along the way to finding my courage, finding my faith, getting through adversity, getting over some obstacles, and just living what America is all about.
00:02:26.000 So I've had some unique experiences for sure.
00:02:28.000 I mean, not a lot of people are going to fly fighter jets, but I bring you into the cockpit of the A-10 for my first time that I was clear for takeoff and complex missions in the south of Afghanistan.
00:02:40.000 But what's all common amongst us is fear.
00:02:43.000 And there's probably a lot of people who feel that right now.
00:02:46.000 What's common amongst us is grief.
00:02:49.000 You know, I lost my dad when I was 12 years old, youngest of five kids, and other challenges I had that almost derailed me.
00:02:56.000 But by the grace of God and the help of others in my life and being able to find my strength to push through that adversity, I was able to, you know, meet my destiny to serve our country in uniform for 26 years.
00:03:09.000 And now I'm in a new combat zone in D.C.
00:03:11.000 Well, and then if I remember your bio correctly, in 2001, you sued the Department of Defense.
00:03:17.000 I did.
00:03:18.000 For what?
00:03:19.000 Because they were making our service women wear burqas when they were over in Saudi Arabia.
00:03:25.000 And this was something I started.
00:03:26.000 This is an eight-year battle.
00:03:28.000 I share it in Dare to Fly, where one of my mantras is don't walk by a problem.
00:03:33.000 And I was deployed to Kuwait, and I walked by the duty desk and I saw a picture of a young enlisted woman wearing the full black Muslim garb and headscarf.
00:03:41.000 A U.S. military man.
00:03:42.000 Yes.
00:03:42.000 And I was like, this is wrong.
00:03:44.000 And I started looking into, like, why are we doing this?
00:03:47.000 Where is this coming from?
00:03:48.000 Who's making this happen?
00:03:49.000 And it was an eight-year journey of, you know, within the Department of Defense, trying to get it changed.
00:03:55.000 And then I eventually got ordered over there.
00:03:58.000 And they threatened, they basically said, sit in the backseat of the car, wear the burqa.
00:04:02.000 We always had to have a male escort, and they told us to lie and claim your fellow servicewoman as your wife to comply with Sharia law.
00:04:10.000 This is in Saudi Arabia.
00:04:12.000 So eventually, years later, I was also ordered over to Saudi Arabia.
00:04:16.000 So I was fighting it for about five years before it even applied to me just because I thought it was wrong.
00:04:21.000 And on behalf of the young enlisted women, and then they ordered me over there.
00:04:24.000 And then they threatened to take it.
00:04:25.000 That was your punishment.
00:04:26.000 Then they threatened to take it.
00:04:28.000 You'll show how bad it really is.
00:04:29.000 And it's like 120 degrees.
00:04:30.000 And then they threatened to take me up on charges if I didn't obey it.
00:04:34.000 And I was like, at that point, I was promoted four years ahead of my peers.
00:04:38.000 I was on track to be a senior leader in the military.
00:04:40.000 And they're saying, wear a burqa or we're going to court-martial you. 1.00
00:04:43.000 So I complied with it while I still tried to get it changed. 0.97
00:04:46.000 And then I sued Donald Rumsfeld over it.
00:04:49.000 Did you win?
00:04:51.000 Well, you'll have to read the book.
00:04:52.000 Dare to fly.
00:04:52.000 No, we did win.
00:04:53.000 We were working our way through the courts, but then I went to Congress.
00:04:56.000 We have three branches of the government.
00:04:58.000 The executive branch was failing.
00:04:59.000 The judicial branch was taking a long time.
00:05:02.000 But I had been a legislative fellow, and I'm like, you know what?
00:05:04.000 The annual defense bill is coming up.
00:05:06.000 Why don't we just tack on an amendment and overturn this?
00:05:08.000 And so I worked as a one-woman lobbying campaign as a regular citizen in my free time.
00:05:13.000 I took military leave and I got legislation unanimously passed into law to overturn it. 0.97
00:05:18.000 So that our women serving overseas in these backwards-thinking countries don't have to wear burqas. 0.99
00:05:27.000 And we were using taxpayer dollars to buy Muslim garb. 1.00
00:05:30.000 Oh, come on. 1.00
00:05:31.000 I'm not kidding.
00:05:32.000 I have actually two of my abayas that were issued to me.
00:05:36.000 One of them the Smithsonian asked for.
00:05:37.000 I have another one of them still in my garage in a box. 0.98
00:05:41.000 So we were using our hard-earned money to go buy in like theocratic medieval and make our service women wear it when they were on duty or off duty.
00:05:51.000 So if I was traveling somewhere on duty, you would have to put it on over your uniform or from one military base to the other.
00:05:58.000 It was so messed up.
00:05:59.000 So I would do it again in a second.
00:06:01.000 It was unnecessary, but I'm glad that I was.
00:06:04.000 I'm sure you received a lot of backlash through that fight.
00:06:07.000 It was a difficult journey.
00:06:09.000 Yes.
00:06:10.000 There was a lot of pressure, as you can imagine.
00:06:12.000 The establishment doesn't like when you take it on and you stand up for your principles and what's right.
00:06:17.000 But I wasn't going to back down. 0.98
00:06:18.000 My oath of office, when I, you know, which I have in my heart, is not to stupid policies above me. 0.98
00:06:24.000 It's to the Constitution of the United States.
00:06:26.000 And so on my knees through some really tough days every morning and be like, dear Lord, give me the strength to get through this.
00:06:32.000 And I was inspired by Esther 414.
00:06:36.000 When I first reached out to one of my mentors, when I was asking advice whether I should stand up against this, he told me to read the book of Esther.
00:06:44.000 And as I read that story, I'm no Esther, but that Esther 414, can it be that you were put in this position for such a time as this?
00:06:53.000 Was the conviction that continued to carry me through every single step and every decision I had to make?
00:06:58.000 And my encouragement, which I share in this book, is don't walk by a problem and do the next right thing.
00:07:04.000 And so every step along the way, I was just like, God, what's the next right thing to do?
00:07:09.000 What's the next right thing to be true to my oath of office?
00:07:12.000 This is not about your career.
00:07:13.000 This is about standing up for what's right.
00:07:16.000 And I never thought I'd be put in that position to put everything.
00:07:19.000 I mean, I put my life on the line for our freedoms, but it was a pretty difficult journey.
00:07:25.000 But I won.
00:07:26.000 It was the right thing to do.
00:07:27.000 What I love about the Book of Esther, it's the only book of the Bible that doesn't mention God explicitly, but God is present all throughout the Book of Esther.
00:07:35.000 It's incredible.
00:07:36.000 I remember when I first, so I first called back, I was overseas, I was in Kuwait when I was struggling whether I should bring it up or not.
00:07:41.000 And I'm on a field phone where you have to say over, you know, you've got a delay.
00:07:46.000 And my mentor was like, you need to read the book of Esther.
00:07:48.000 And I was like, what?
00:07:50.000 What does that have to do?
00:07:51.000 I need your advice.
00:07:51.000 What does that have to do?
00:07:52.000 I'm trying to decide whether I should speak out about this.
00:07:55.000 But it's exactly what God used to have me really look at: could it be that I was given the opportunities to become an officer, to become a fighter pilot, to break through barriers for others, not just because I wanted to meet my dreams, but because I was now in this very position to speak for others and to stand in the gap for them and to fight for them.
00:08:16.000 And that is what carried me through every difficult decision.
00:08:19.000 And yeah, it wasn't easy, but I had a lot of people praying for me.
00:08:22.000 I had a lot of wing men and wing women along the way who were encouraging me, even if it looked like I was standing alone.
00:08:28.000 So you were the first woman to fly, you said combat missions?
00:08:31.000 I flew a fighter jet in combat.
00:08:32.000 I flew the A-10 Warthog.
00:08:34.000 So I'm sure you being the only.
00:08:36.000 Tell a little about the experiences of that.
00:08:38.000 We have a lot of young ladies that listen to this podcast, and they email us and they say, Charlie, I don't know how to stand up for what I believe in.
00:08:45.000 I mean, I can't, it's hard for me to comprehend what it would be like being the only woman in the first woman in a very male-dominated military atmosphere.
00:08:57.000 Yep.
00:08:58.000 Well, I was the youngest of five kids, so I joke I had to kind of fight for my food anyway, right?
00:09:04.000 And look, it was very transformative for me when my dad passed away when I was 12.
00:09:08.000 Like, it was a defining moment in my life.
00:09:10.000 And I was blessed.
00:09:12.000 I mean, one day we were there and we were hanging out, and then the next day he was gone.
00:09:15.000 And in between two heart attacks in the hospital, he really felt he knew in his spirit he was going to go be with the Lord.
00:09:22.000 And he said, get my children.
00:09:23.000 I want to speak with them.
00:09:24.000 And I was blessed to be able to meet with him.
00:09:27.000 And we talked about a lot of mundane things.
00:09:29.000 But among what he told me was to make him proud.
00:09:31.000 And the journey wasn't easy.
00:09:33.000 I didn't get up the next day after we lost him.
00:09:35.000 It was a very difficult time, very tumultuous time in my junior, high, and high school.
00:09:39.000 But I was brought up to believe I could be anything I wanted to be.
00:09:43.000 And I was looking for an opportunity to get a good education and not saddle my single mom, you know, with debt.
00:09:48.000 And so off I went to the Air Force Academy.
00:09:51.000 And for the first time, I wanted to be a doctor, I thought.
00:09:53.000 And for the first time when I got there, I was told that just because I was a girl, I couldn't do something. 0.73
00:09:57.000 It was against the law for women to do this pilot.
00:10:00.000 This was 1984. 0.95
00:10:01.000 Against the law.
00:10:02.000 Yeah.
00:10:02.000 And so I'm a little feisty by nature.
00:10:05.000 And so I channeled my feistiness in saying, you know what?
00:10:08.000 That's exactly what I want to do.
00:10:11.000 You know, it was just to prove them wrong.
00:10:13.000 And people laughed at me and said, you know, it's against the law.
00:10:15.000 I said, we live in America.
00:10:16.000 Laws change.
00:10:17.000 And I'm going to be having this dream in my heart.
00:10:20.000 I'm going to keep excelling where I am.
00:10:22.000 I'm not going to have a chip on my shoulder, right?
00:10:24.000 Because it wasn't fair, but life's unfair.
00:10:26.000 And so keep blooming where you're planted.
00:10:28.000 And you never know when the door is going to open.
00:10:31.000 And I was in the right place at the right time with the right qualifications when the door finally opens.
00:10:35.000 So you broke through that glass ceiling.
00:10:38.000 Is that fair to say?
00:10:39.000 Yeah.
00:10:41.000 You flew through it.
00:10:41.000 I flew through it.
00:10:42.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:10:43.000 I think that's an interesting story and very instructive because there were legitimate barriers to what you wanted to accomplish.
00:10:49.000 And instead of organizing mass protests or creating a new autonomous country within the Air Force Academy, you just applied yourself and worked harder.
00:10:58.000 Exactly.
00:10:59.000 I look at this, there's things that are outside your control and there's things in your control.
00:11:03.000 And what you can do today is be your best self.
00:11:06.000 You can strive to be the best at the tasks that are in front of you in your studies or whatever that is.
00:11:11.000 And if things are not going your way, find another way.
00:11:14.000 You know, go over the wall, under the wall, blow it up if you need to.
00:11:16.000 I don't mean figuratively.
00:11:17.000 I don't mean literally.
00:11:19.000 For media matters, listening.
00:11:20.000 It's messaging.
00:11:21.000 Figuratively.
00:11:23.000 And the other thing is, I realize, had I not been detoured because I was delayed, I went to graduate school for a couple years because I had some other obstacles just getting into pilot training.
00:11:33.000 But had I not been delayed and detoured, I wouldn't have been in the right place at the right time when the door opened.
00:11:38.000 And I think a lot of people are feeling a little detoured right now in 2020, maybe.
00:11:42.000 But as I look back, I see God's hand in my life pointing me in the direction I needed to go, maybe not the direction I wanted to go at that moment.
00:11:52.000 And along the way, I grew as a person.
00:11:54.000 I grew as a pilot, as an officer, and it equipped me for that moment when I was asked to step up and break through that barrier.
00:12:01.000 So you're the U.S. Senator for Arizona.
00:12:03.000 You are up for election here in November.
00:12:06.000 It's critical that we as conservatives hold this seat up against the fake, moderate, true leftist, Mark Kelly.
00:12:15.000 I now understand that he was driving around in a motorcycle with Chinese flags.
00:12:21.000 Yeah, so my opponent has a lot of weaknesses, but one of them is him being financially beholden to multiple Chinese companies.
00:12:30.000 And while I'm standing up to China, and I'm personally being threatened by the Chinese government, which is freaking out my family a little bit.
00:12:35.000 Yeah, tell us about that.
00:12:36.000 Yeah, there's been about a half a dozen of us that have been standing really strongly saying China needs to be held accountable for the coronavirus, that they're trying to replace us as a leader of the world, and they're not going to do that.
00:12:46.000 You know, as long as I'm serving in the Senate and President Trump's in the White House, and we've got strong leaders willing to stand up for America and what we believe in. 0.89
00:12:54.000 And I think Americans are waking up to the path that they have been on for several decades now in plain sight, feeding on us like a parasite in many ways, building their military, stealing our technology. 0.54
00:13:05.000 You know, we've been sending jobs overseas, Joe Biden and the whole Klan, you know, sending jobs overseas.
00:13:11.000 And now we're relying on them for our PPE, for our pharmaceuticals.
00:13:15.000 All that needs to come home.
00:13:16.000 So I'm standing up to them to be held accountable, not just for the coronavirus, but all of their malevolent behavior.
00:13:22.000 And my opponent, in the meantime, has gone into business with them.
00:13:26.000 So one of the many business adventures he had was peddling a pyramid scheme over in China.
00:13:31.000 They introduce him in a Chinese language video, and he comes out on stage on a motorcycle with a Chinese flag on the back.
00:13:39.000 I only fly the American flag.
00:13:41.000 Yeah, and so you said your family, you were being threatened or something?
00:13:45.000 Yeah, the Chinese government, by name, in their government-owned media, named about a half a dozen Republicans that they personally threatened and threatened to meddle in our election, and I was one of the names.
00:13:57.000 Wow.
00:13:57.000 So that would be actual foreign interference in our elections.
00:14:01.000 Legitimate. 0.99
00:14:01.000 Yes, it would be. 0.99
00:14:03.000 And look, I think a big question in November is going to be, who do you trust to stand up to China? 0.85
00:14:08.000 I've been dealing with national security my whole life. 0.91
00:14:11.000 This is the biggest geopolitical threat that's defining this next many years.
00:14:15.000 It has been over the rise of China has been this significant geopolitical threat.
00:14:20.000 But we've woken up to it.
00:14:21.000 And is it going to be Joe Biden?
00:14:24.000 Is it going to be Mark Kelly, my opponent?
00:14:26.000 When he's got financial ties, he's financially beholden to them?
00:14:30.000 No way.
00:14:31.000 He's not going to stand up to them.
00:14:32.000 Yeah, it seems that the Chinese Communist Party has been a very convenient piggy bank for the Democrat ruling class. 0.58
00:14:38.000 Mark Kelly, Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, awfully suspicious deals that were created at the expense of America. 0.79
00:14:38.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.79
00:14:46.000 Exactly.
00:14:47.000 And they've been using it for their own, you know, lining their own pockets, of course, growing their economy at the expense of American jobs.
00:14:47.000 Exactly.
00:14:54.000 And we've outsourced things that we need, we've outsourced to be made in China. 0.71
00:14:59.000 So now we have to rely on an adversary for our health security, for our national security?
00:15:04.000 No way.
00:15:05.000 Yeah, and just to give our listeners a kind of picture of this, you know, we're right now in the beautiful state of Arizona.
00:15:11.000 Arizona is now a battleground state.
00:15:13.000 It's a state that President Trump won a plurality, but not a majority of votes.
00:15:17.000 It's a state that people are calling a purple state.
00:15:20.000 Joe Biden thinks he can win the state.
00:15:22.000 Mark Kelly thinks they can win this state.
00:15:24.000 I think they're going to be very disappointed.
00:15:26.000 But this is very important for the future of our country.
00:15:30.000 And it's very important that people recognize that the justices we select, the laws that we pass, if you give that kind of power to the radical left, people would think Arizona is a, oh, it's an automatic Republican state.
00:15:46.000 Well, not so fast.
00:15:48.000 It's highly contested.
00:15:49.000 It is.
00:15:50.000 It's going to be a significant battleground state for the presidential and for the Senate.
00:15:55.000 Chuck Schumer is going to have to pry the Senate majority out of my cold, dead hands.
00:15:58.000 And look, Arizona is very diverse, but we have an independent spirit and we want our freedoms.
00:16:03.000 And we do want, we don't want to defund the police.
00:16:06.000 We want border security.
00:16:07.000 We've had a great economy because of lower taxes and less regulations.
00:16:11.000 And that's the question, these are the questions I think people are going to have when they go to the polls.
00:16:15.000 Who do you trust to get the economy going again?
00:16:17.000 We already proved with President Trump and Senate and House Republicans at the time and Governor Ducey in Arizona, right?
00:16:24.000 Lower taxes, less regulations. 0.95
00:16:26.000 Who do you trust to take on China?
00:16:28.000 And if you really want Joe Biden and Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and AOC and Bernie and the whole Klan in charge with their radical left agenda that they have, that is out of touch with how Arizonans, you know, with everyday Arizonans, is out of touch with what their values are.
00:16:46.000 And Joe, I mean, my opponent's going to pretend he's not a Democrat this whole time.
00:16:50.000 And his first vote is for Chuck Schumer and their extreme agenda.
00:16:53.000 And I really, you know, as Arizonans come into focus on their vote, I think they'll start to realize what's at stake here.
00:16:59.000 Yeah, so in Scottsdale, and you spoke out against this, it seemed like there were out-of-state rioters and activists in the streets.
00:17:07.000 Scottsdale Fashion Square was ransacked.
00:17:10.000 Yes.
00:17:11.000 I mean, the type of pillaging and plundering that we saw in LA and New York was not just there.
00:17:16.000 It was in this beautiful state of Arizona.
00:17:18.000 Mark Kelly, awfully silent.
00:17:21.000 I mean, maybe he needs the votes of the anarchists.
00:17:24.000 Maybe he's trying to, you know, maybe those are going to be future door knockers for him.
00:17:27.000 I'm not really sure why.
00:17:28.000 But I think law and order is going to be a huge issue.
00:17:32.000 I think people feel like there's a fabric of our country that is kind of being weakened.
00:17:37.000 And you spoke out against this.
00:17:38.000 Can you just comment on the lawlessness that has spread across our country recently?
00:17:42.000 It's deeply troubling.
00:17:44.000 Look, we can all agree that the murder of George Floyd needs to be, those people need to be held accountable, that that was not right.
00:17:50.000 Yes.
00:17:50.000 But we can also agree that the vast majority of men and women who get up every day to put on the uniform are there to protect and serve.
00:17:57.000 And they do amazing things in our communities in so many areas, things they weren't even trained to do. 0.52
00:18:03.000 And the left is now mainstreaming the idea that we don't need police, that they can just take over areas in America that looks like Somalia.
00:18:12.000 I mean, that, you know, what is going on?
00:18:15.000 When people call 911, they want to make sure if someone's breaking into their home, that these amazing Americans are going to come and put themselves in harm's way in order to protect others.
00:18:26.000 So we're working on things to make sure that the good guys have everything they need, the good police officers have all the training and equipment that they need.
00:18:33.000 And there's a culture, it's incentivized that there's a culture where, you know, the bad actors are routed out and that others are not standing by and watching someone committing a crime.
00:18:43.000 But what the left is now doing related to this moment in time, they first wanted to abolish ICE.
00:18:51.000 Now they want to get rid of the police.
00:18:53.000 And Arizonans want law and order.
00:18:56.000 Arizonans want for us to be able to have people build a business, pour their whole lives into it, and not have it rioted and ransack like we saw happen here.
00:19:06.000 Yeah, and just parts of the state that otherwise you wouldn't think that Scottsdale Fashion Square would have that kind of widespread anarchy.
00:19:14.000 And it was just that if the Democrats continue to have power, it's almost as if that will continue.
00:19:20.000 And so I'm glad you mentioned the China issue.
00:19:22.000 I think that's one of the biggest issues concerning our country. 0.66
00:19:26.000 And the Democrat Party has made it very clear that the free flow of capital from China, them stealing our military technology, they have no problems with this. 0.91
00:19:34.000 And I would encourage you to try to get these Confucius Institutes closed in the state of Arizona, which are Chinese Communist Party funded. 0.93
00:19:42.000 It's something I've been trying to lobby for. 0.99
00:19:43.000 I agree.
00:19:44.000 Personally.
00:19:44.000 I totally agree.
00:19:45.000 The governor that CCP military installations have no place in the great state of Arizona.
00:19:50.000 But can you just talk a little specifically on policy of what you're proposing when it comes to China?
00:19:54.000 Because so many young listeners now, they agree, they're like, okay, now what?
00:19:57.000 Are we going to put sanctions, tariffs?
00:20:00.000 Are we going to have military transfers?
00:20:02.000 What are you proposing, Paul?
00:20:04.000 It's all the above.
00:20:05.000 We need to ensure that we continue to have a strong military as we've watched what they're doing, taking over areas and building islands where they didn't exist in the South China Sea.
00:20:16.000 Our allies in the Pacific need to wake up and keep working with us on this to stop their blatant military advances.
00:20:23.000 We need to bring manufacturing home.
00:20:25.000 Self-sufficiency.
00:20:26.000 Yes, it's so important for critical minerals. 0.95
00:20:29.000 I mean, we can't make an F-35 without relying on China's minerals that are made in China. 0.99
00:20:34.000 This is ridiculous. 0.99
00:20:35.000 You can't make an iPhone without a PC. 0.62
00:20:38.000 You know, you can't, for those who care about green technology, you can't make a battery.
00:20:42.000 You can't build an electric car unless you're using graphite.
00:20:46.000 We have a company here in Arizona I met with, or I talked to them this week virtually, where they're building opportunities to bring that home so that we can manufacture it here in America because we're relying on China for this.
00:20:58.000 So our PPE, we saw this at the beginning of the pandemic. 0.64
00:21:01.000 We couldn't get masks except for going to China.
00:21:04.000 So we need tax incentives for American companies to bring that manufacturing home.
00:21:08.000 I'm already leaning on some legislation on this.
00:21:10.000 We've got to focus on our health security, on our national security.
00:21:14.000 When we bring up the defense bill, hopefully we'll attach some of this to that.
00:21:18.000 And also, I think, tax incentives for investors, right?
00:21:21.000 For American investors to invest in companies just like opportunity zones, invest in companies that are going to bring the supply chain home for key technologies for our security.
00:21:33.000 We've got to disentangle it.
00:21:34.000 It's going to take some time. 0.99
00:21:35.000 But we've got to do that as quickly as possible for things to be made in America again.
00:21:40.000 This is a great opportunity for American jobs, American innovation, but also our health security and our national security. 0.97
00:21:46.000 We've got to hold Chinese leaders accountable for their malevolent behavior, both internally with Hong Kong and putting their minorities in concentration camps, but also 1 million Muslims in concentration camps. 0.97
00:21:59.000 They got away with it. 0.98
00:22:00.000 And I think this is where Europe needs to wake up.
00:22:02.000 Seriously.
00:22:03.000 Huawei needs to be projected out of the European theater.
00:22:06.000 Exactly.
00:22:06.000 So there's the surveillance state, the technology.
00:22:09.000 We've also, where we have Chicago and Boston and other cities that are using Chinese state-owned companies for their mass transit transportation.
00:22:20.000 We've got Chinese companies that are giving drones to local law enforcement, donating them so that they can spy on U.S. citizens.
00:22:28.000 They can surveil on U.S. citizens.
00:22:30.000 So we've got to stop all that from being allowed.
00:22:33.000 Everybody needs to wake up that they're our adversary.
00:22:36.000 They're trying to replace us.
00:22:38.000 And we've got to use all elements of our national power, but also as a consumer.
00:22:41.000 There's legislation to make sure when you get on Amazon, we've got to make this law.
00:22:45.000 You should know if something's made in China, whether it's assembled in China, it's a Chinese company.
00:22:50.000 I have a funny story about trying to order a mask.
00:22:52.000 That's an Arizona flag.
00:22:54.000 And I couldn't tell from the website where it was made.
00:22:58.000 So I did contact Seller.
00:23:00.000 I'd already ordered it, but I really still couldn't tell.
00:23:02.000 And I said, where is this made?
00:23:04.000 Is this made in China? 0.98
00:23:05.000 And they eventually came back and said yes. 0.96
00:23:07.000 And I said, your communist regime is responsible for killing Americans and unleashing this virus. 0.92
00:23:12.000 Give me a refund now. 0.80
00:23:13.000 I'm not wearing a proud Arizona.
00:23:15.000 Now you want to go sell a mask to me for the virus that you lied about.
00:23:18.000 Yes.
00:23:18.000 And they gave me a refund.
00:23:21.000 So I shouldn't have to search so hard to find whether something's made in America or made in China.
00:23:25.000 Yeah, and I look at the framing of this election as who do you really represent?
00:23:30.000 And Mark Kelly and Joe Biden and all these other guys, if you look seriously, they don't have an underlying dying commitment to our country if you do any sort of that kind of business.
00:23:41.000 Chinese Communist Party.
00:23:42.000 Joe Biden said that it's a good thing that China gets more powerful.
00:23:45.000 He said that Xi Jinping's a great guy and all these sorts of things.
00:23:48.000 So I think he's the tyrant of today. 0.99
00:23:49.000 I think he is an absolute maniac.
00:23:52.000 And the three things you're not supposed to talk about, and Mark Kelly has to answer: do you believe in the autonomy of Taiwan? 0.66
00:23:57.000 Do you believe in the autonomy of Tibet?
00:23:59.000 And do you believe that Tiananmen Square was a massacre against peaceful protesters?
00:24:02.000 And that'd be interesting to find out.
00:24:04.000 So, in closing, a lot of conservatives focus on the Supreme Court as one of the biggest reasons to, like, the U.S. Senate, in a lot of ways, is the Supreme Court gatekeeper.
00:24:13.000 Yeah, right.
00:24:14.000 It's true here.
00:24:14.000 And so President Trump has been terrific in appointing justices, disagree with some of the recent rulings, but generally, there's been some really good movement.
00:24:24.000 Tell us on how you view what a Supreme Court justice should and should not do and how important it is going into November.
00:24:30.000 Well, we're on the verge of our 200th confirmed judge since President Trump came into office.
00:24:36.000 I haven't been in the Senate the whole time, but this is a lasting legacy of President Trump to transform the courts.
00:24:43.000 You can see the appellate courts are now flipping.
00:24:45.000 The Ninth Circuit actually is getting near even.
00:24:48.000 And I'm looking for somebody who is going to interpret the Constitution the way it was written.
00:24:52.000 Textualism.
00:24:53.000 Yes.
00:24:53.000 They're not going to be calling.
00:24:54.000 They're not going to be legislating from the bench, right?
00:24:56.000 They're going to be looking at it.
00:24:58.000 It is an originalist forum, and they're going to be making a determination, not on what they would like, not on what they would prefer, but how it was written.
00:25:05.000 And that should give a lot of conservatives fire to say, hey, we can't let Chuck Schumer pick our next Supreme Court justice.
00:25:15.000 Can you imagine? 0.69
00:25:16.000 I mean, you would get a younger, more radical version of Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
00:25:20.000 And look what they try to do to Justice Kavanaugh.
00:25:22.000 It's one of the most disgusting things that I've seen.
00:25:24.000 Well, so, Senator, I know you're heavily booked and you're crisscrossed in the state of Arizona.
00:25:28.000 The book is called Dare to Fly.
00:25:29.000 Dare to Fly: Simple Lessons and Never Giving Up.
00:25:32.000 And again, it just shares some of my own stories and my own unique journeys, but also things that are really common to all of us.
00:25:39.000 And you can find your own faith, find your own strength, find your courage, and I hope I can inspire you.
00:25:44.000 You can go to daretofly.us, get a book, and then share your own inspiring story with me.
00:25:48.000 And if you're in Arizona, I'm telling you, get engaged, get involved, volunteer.
00:25:53.000 You know, look, President Trump needs to help.
00:25:55.000 The Senator needs to help.
00:25:57.000 You have a very malevolent mixture of foreign adversaries and domestic forces that want to take back the Senate and the White House, which would mean, which would spell disaster for America.
00:26:07.000 It really would.
00:26:08.000 And this is a referendum on who we are as a people.
00:26:11.000 This is the most important election in our lifetime, and we are standing on the wall to defend our freedoms, and we need the support.
00:26:17.000 Great.
00:26:17.000 Thanks so much, Senator.
00:26:18.000 God bless you.
00:26:19.000 Thanks a lot.
00:26:19.000 God bless you, too.
00:26:21.000 Rob Chang from PC Matic joining us here on the Charlie Kirk Show for our Made in America CEO Spotlight.
00:26:29.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:26:31.000 It's great to be here.
00:26:32.000 Great.
00:26:33.000 So, can you tell us a little about PC Matic? 0.92
00:26:35.000 It's a Made in America company that's trying to protect our critical infrastructure and our computers from foreign actors. 0.99
00:26:42.000 Tell us about PC Matic, how you started the company, and the important work that you do. 1.00
00:26:48.000 Oh, boy, well, that's a long question.
00:26:50.000 I started the company 21 years ago.
00:26:53.000 Prior to that, I was a senior vice president at Gateway Computers, which at the time was one of the largest computer manufacturers in the nation.
00:27:01.000 We were also 100% Made in America.
00:27:03.000 We did all of our manufacturing.
00:27:05.000 We did all of our support in the United States.
00:27:10.000 And I was responsible for sales, marketing, and support worldwide.
00:27:14.000 And I was very proud of this because all the people that we talked to on the phones were mainly a call center and a manufacturing operation.
00:27:20.000 All those call center people reported to me.
00:27:24.000 And now all those jobs have gone out of the country, which makes me, I mean, call center jobs was a really, really big thing in the 90s, and it is not so much anymore.
00:27:34.000 But I left there, and I started this company called PC Pit Stuff at the time.
00:27:40.000 And it's just to make computers run faster.
00:27:43.000 And then throughout the decades, I mean, we did what we call pivoting.
00:27:49.000 As the times change, you know, the needs change.
00:27:53.000 Back then, PC pissed up was because computers were running very slow.
00:27:56.000 So we were able to diagnose a slow computer and tell them what's wrong.
00:28:00.000 Ultimately, we wrote software to make computers run faster.
00:28:04.000 And then, you know, in 2010, 2011, we went and realized that a lot of people were getting infected and there was a flaw in antivirus.
00:28:13.000 There were two flaws at the time.
00:28:14.000 Still has the two same flaws 10 years later.
00:28:17.000 Number one is they're based on a blacklist.
00:28:20.000 What they're trying to do is keep track of everything that is known bad.
00:28:24.000 And so whenever they see something that they haven't seen before, then they let it in because it's not known bad.
00:28:30.000 So we took the other approach.
00:28:32.000 We only look at things that are good.
00:28:34.000 If it's not known good, then we stop it. 0.58
00:28:37.000 And so, and we're the only antivirus right now that's made in America.
00:28:41.000 When I made this, when we did that, that wasn't my plan.
00:28:46.000 I did not even know that we were the only ones that were doing it.
00:28:49.000 But here we are today, 10 years later, and we are.
00:28:53.000 That's terrific.
00:28:54.000 Can you talk about the importance of why you need to keep your operations in America versus some of the other companies that have outsourced overseas?
00:29:03.000 Okay.
00:29:05.000 Yeah, I mean, you know, I just told you a story about Gateway.
00:29:08.000 I mean, I think that the nation is becoming over-reliant on certain things.
00:29:16.000 One of them is certainly cybersecurity.
00:29:19.000 And I think that is very important.
00:29:21.000 Some of my competitors, they originate from countries where we believe the viruses are originating.
00:29:28.000 And so which really doesn't make any sense.
00:29:30.000 I mean, somebody could work at a cybersecurity company and the next day they can work at the place where they're making the bad stuff.
00:29:38.000 And so I think it is a security hole.
00:29:41.000 Actually, I was just on another thing, and they were talking about Zoom.
00:29:44.000 And as it ends up, Zoom is all their servers are in China.
00:29:49.000 And so that's in the news right now.
00:29:50.000 And whether we want all of our video chats, all that going through Chinese servers.
00:29:57.000 And our antivirus is the same way.
00:29:59.000 I mean, I think that we need to be self-reliant and independent.
00:30:03.000 At the same time, when you are doing that, you're creating jobs.
00:30:07.000 I mean, instead of outsourcing everything, you're creating jobs inside of your own country.
00:30:12.000 So I think that it's very important.
00:30:16.000 So can you also just talk about what the average threat is to someone that might be listening to this?
00:30:22.000 Their pictures, their emails could all be at risk if they don't have the correct virus software, right, and protection.
00:30:31.000 That is true.
00:30:32.000 That is certainly true.
00:30:33.000 I mean, and the pictures are, I mean, a lot of people are uploading their pictures every place, so that's not that big a risk, but they can get infected.
00:30:40.000 It's very easy to get infected.
00:30:42.000 The number of infections is greatly increasing.
00:30:46.000 As a young person, I mean, your pictures and those kind of things, if you're working on something, if you're working on a script, if you're making a video and that kind of thing, they're going to go after that, so all your work will be lost.
00:30:59.000 Perhaps the largest thing is your workplace.
00:31:01.000 So if you're getting infected, and then it's possible that your workplace will get infected.
00:31:08.000 And so I think that is really the larger issue is whether, you know, and this is happening right now.
00:31:14.000 And this has to do with password management, those things, is that if you are working someplace and you are using the same password that you use for, let's say, your email password, you have work email and business email, use that same password, that's a way for them to get into where you work.
00:31:28.000 And then your work's going to get infected and then you're out of a job.
00:31:31.000 Well, so in closing, can you just talk about young people and some advice for young people that might want to start a business, being an entrepreneur, starting something from nothing?
00:31:40.000 Connect it with your story because so many young entrepreneurs that are trying to make it listen to this podcast.
00:31:47.000 Well, I really think that, I mean, America is probably the best country for entrepreneurs in the entire history of the world.
00:31:55.000 And so I hope that a lot more people can continue in that.
00:32:00.000 My boss at Gateway, when he started, he was a young man.
00:32:04.000 He dropped out of University of Iowa.
00:32:07.000 He started Gateway with $10,000, and now he's a billionaire.
00:32:11.000 I mean, what he was, he was very bright.
00:32:13.000 He was very, very charismatic.
00:32:16.000 And obviously, he learned business very quickly.
00:32:19.000 I mean, if you can learn very quickly, I think the one thing about a good entrepreneur at a young age is your ability to learn very quickly and adapt to what you see in front of you.
00:32:27.000 Well, it's terrific.
00:32:28.000 Well, thank you, PC Matic, for helping the Charlie Kirk show.
00:32:33.000 I encourage our listeners to check it out.
00:32:34.000 Made in America.
00:32:35.000 Secure the devices you care about.
00:32:37.000 Thank you so much, my friend, and I hope to talk to you again