The Charlie Kirk Show - Shot to the Heart, and You're To Blame with Steve Kirsch and Ilya Shapiro

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00:00:20.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:05.000 I'm really excited about the momentum we are experiencing more globally and broadly, not globally across the planet, but just kind of globally in the movement of people that are really starting to say, hey, college is not what it used to be.

00:01:20.000 We have to fix our institutions.

00:01:22.000 We have to, for lack of a better term, de-wokify them and purge them of these insidious elements.

00:01:30.000 And one of the leaders is a very smart person, very articulate person, is Ilya Shapiro.

00:01:36.000 And he wrote a piece for the Wall Street Journal called saying, State lawmakers can reform higher education.

00:01:42.000 And boy, is that my love language.

00:01:44.000 That speaks straight to the heart of what we talk about on this program and Turning Point USA.

00:01:50.000 I'm excited to explore that with him.

00:01:51.000 Ilya, welcome to the program.

00:01:53.000 All right.

00:01:53.000 Well, good to be back with you, Charlie.

00:01:54.000 Yeah, very good.

00:01:55.000 Tell us about your piece.

00:01:56.000 We'll go from there.

00:01:57.000 Sure.

00:01:58.000 Well, I was on last with you describing the outcome of my fight with Georgetown, where they tried to cancel me and said I canceled them.

00:02:08.000 All sorts of illiberal tendencies that my eyes were opened to through that experience.

00:02:18.000 And the problem that I discovered, you know, I'm a First Amendment lawyer, constitutional lawyer, now with the Manhattan Institute.

00:02:23.000 I've always been into free speech and due process.

00:02:26.000 But what I really learned is that what's going on on college campuses, law schools, elsewhere, is the bureaucratization.

00:02:34.000 And this is not the decades-old conservative complaint about liberal professors, but rather in the time since I graduated college and law school, there's been this bureaucratic bloat.

00:02:45.000 And most of that is these DEI offices, diversity, equity, inclusion, a really Orwellian name that goes against intellectual diversity, prevents equal opportunity, and excludes anyone who deviates from a progressive orthodoxy.

00:03:01.000 So I got together with some, you know, lots of people working on this issue, as you mentioned, my MI colleague, Chris Rup, and Matt Bayenberg of the Goldwater Institute.

00:03:12.000 We got together and we thought, what can, from a public policy perspective, you know, a lot of people kind of throw up their hands, say the kids these days, or it's the culture, it's nothing for policy to do.

00:03:22.000 But actually, at least with respect to public institutions, where a lot, actually, the majority of college students attend public institutions, state legislatures can get involved.

00:03:32.000 And we came up with four concrete, very straightforward proposals for what state legislatures can at least do with respect to public institutions.

00:03:43.000 And I think you're probably going to want to go into that with that.

00:03:46.000 I do.

00:03:46.000 So, I mean, one of the first things right off the bat that you recommend is that we have to abolish diversity, equity, inclusion bureaucracies.

00:03:54.000 But, you know, Ilya, I'll be honest, in some of the reddest of red states, let's take North Dakota, let's take South Dakota.

00:03:59.000 It is difficult to even persuade Republican legislatures or Republican governors.

00:04:04.000 It's, you know, we talk about the military industrial complex in D.C. There is a red state college cartel industrial complex.

00:04:12.000 There's some of the biggest employers in some of these rural and agrarian-based towns.

00:04:16.000 There's a lot of corrupt development deals.

00:04:18.000 There's people that sit on the boards.

00:04:20.000 So, first, talk about the need to abolish these bureaucracies and then touch a little bit on the difficulty but the necessity to actually go about accomplishing it.

00:04:29.000 Well, first, to be clear, very few people are against diversity or equity.

00:04:34.000 What does equity even mean?

00:04:36.000 Being fair?

00:04:36.000 Sure.

00:04:37.000 Everyone should be treated fairly, have equal opportunity for things.

00:04:41.000 Inclusion, sure. 0.64

00:04:42.000 We don't want to exclude.

00:04:44.000 What is this?

00:04:45.000 Some sort of private club?

00:04:46.000 No, everyone should, if you're admitted to the school, if you're hired, you should have good opportunities and feel welcome.

00:04:54.000 But the problem is, these DEI bureaucracies, as I said at the outset, are against all of those very basic principles, against the American principle of everyone being treated equally regardless of their race or sex or other immutable characteristics.

00:05:11.000 Instead, it's the imposition of whether you call it critical theory, critical race theory, or gender-based or what have you, but they've set up divisions and tensions based on race, based on so-called hierarchy of privilege and intersectionality, all of these very academic-y sort of things.

00:05:32.000 And studies show that they actually make students feel less welcome and less included and foment tensions and divisions on campus.

00:05:43.000 So, the idea is not to roll back civil rights protections or allow discrimination based on race or anything like that.

00:05:51.000 It's to what we want to roll back is the last decade or two of developments of these illiberal forces.

00:05:59.000 Nothing to do, Charlie, with what faculty can and cannot teach, what courses are offered.

00:06:05.000 That's a different sort of issue.

00:06:07.000 But here, let the lawyers in the general counsel's office deal with state and federal civil rights issues, anti-discrimination, and all that, but get rid of this, whether you call it woke, whether you call it theories coming in of oppressor-oppressed classes, teaching kids to think about everything through a racial or gender prism.

00:06:28.000 These things are the things that are not healthy and that have caused the spiral of campus cultures where people don't feel free to say their mind, where there are thought police that are going after them.

00:06:45.000 And so, that's why we're very specific in this proposal to go after DEI officers, not to leave the compliance with state anti-discrimination law and all of that, but these kind of imposing, indoctrinating, very radical theories.

00:07:01.000 Get rid of that.

00:07:02.000 Yeah, and so, boy, there's so many directions I want to go with this.

00:07:06.000 How likely is that?

00:07:07.000 Let's take some of these red states. 0.97

00:07:09.000 They're going to dive in.

00:07:09.000 I mean, there's kind of like a deep state DEI cabal that's been built.

00:07:14.000 You take Indiana, for example.

00:07:16.000 That shouldn't be hard, but they have some of the most liberal colleges in America.

00:07:20.000 I just got an email just now as you were talking from Chris Rufo saying DeSantis is setting the table for this.

00:07:25.000 So, Florida's.

00:07:26.000 He is, but he's an exceptional.

00:07:27.000 I mean, DeSantis is a gift from the heavens on this stuff.

00:07:30.000 No, he really is.

00:07:31.000 Look, look, this should not be controversial.

00:07:33.000 I mean, again, this is not a graduate seminar.

00:07:37.000 You don't have to educate people on that dynamic taxation rates or anything like this.

00:07:43.000 This is not hard.

00:07:45.000 The talking points about this, you know, it's not even a matter of red state.

00:07:49.000 I mean, look, I would wish that moderate kind of average middle-of-the-road moderates that are nationwide waking up to some of these abuses and the weirdness going on in our culture right now.

00:08:07.000 So we'll work with state legislators.

00:08:10.000 We're just getting started about this stuff, but in addition to these bureaucracies, the mandatory diversity training, which again, are indoctrination sessions, and no one's ever been able to prove that having more diversity training leads to less racism or anything like that.

00:08:27.000 Getting rid of political coercion, diversity statements.

00:08:30.000 You might not be aware, Charlie, but to get hired in a lot of public places or to get admitted, you have to sign a piece of paper.

00:08:37.000 It's like an loyalty oath, even though it's very clear for decades from the Supreme Court that that's unconstitutional.

00:08:43.000 And yet they're requiring that and ending identity-based preferences in a whole host of ways.

00:08:49.000 The Supreme Court might do that at a high level in its cases challenging affirmative action at Harvard at UNC, but there are all sorts of programs and scholarships and things that explicitly say you have to be BIPOC, Black, Indigenous, person of color, and all of this.

00:09:08.000 Anyway, all of these left-wing radical theories imposed bureaucratically compelling speech, violating due process in all these ways.

00:09:18.000 Again, to be clear, I want to clarify this for all your listeners.

00:09:21.000 This is not telling faculty members what they can and cannot teach.

00:09:25.000 The issue of critical race theory being part of the curriculum is very different.

00:09:31.000 And this is about public universities.

00:09:34.000 This is not K-12.

00:09:35.000 This is not imposing on what private schools are doing.

00:09:38.000 We have lawyered this up, our proposals, which are very simple, but still, they might not be perfect.

00:09:44.000 And we will take suggestions from whether it be red state or blue state legislators that want to improve on them.

00:09:51.000 But something has to be done.

00:09:53.000 It's not just about the culture or despairing at the kids these days.

00:09:59.000 This is something that legislators in their oversight functions of public institutions can say, look, we just want to abide by federal and state civil rights laws, provide more freedom, more opportunity, whether you're left-wing or right-wing, what kind of things you want to learn.

00:10:16.000 But we just don't want to, it's not the job of bureaucrats to run these things.

00:10:20.000 Academics, faculty freedom, search for truth, that all is important.

00:10:25.000 But it's wresting control of public institutions away from this bureaucratic academic industrial complex, as you put it.

00:10:34.000 I do actually think that if we lean too much on the premise of the Civil Rights Act and the regime of the civil rights kind of tradition, that it actually you're going to get more DEI.

00:10:45.000 It's a controversial take, but Christopher Caldwell convinced me of that.

00:10:48.000 So, Ilya, let me ask you, where do you think it's most achievable to get this done?

00:10:55.000 We have a lot of people watching the program that are lawmakers, that are involved, Board of Regent members.

00:10:59.000 I suppose the answer could just be, let's try all of the above approach.

00:11:02.000 But to your point, this shouldn't be controversial at all.

00:11:05.000 No, any state legislator that we've talked to, that the Goldwater Institute we've been working with has talked to, it's a no-brainer.

00:11:13.000 I mean, this is like an 80-20 issue, if not more.

00:11:16.000 This is not getting into some of the more controversial things you were mentioning, Chris Caldwell's work on the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

00:11:23.000 We can get into that.

00:11:24.000 That's true.

00:11:25.000 That's starting to be, you know, that's more, but this stuff, you know, not having bureaucrats run the show, you know, loyalty statements, judging people, dividing people based on race.

00:11:37.000 These are not controversial things.

00:11:40.000 You don't have to get into debates about what the exact nature of critical race theory is or anything like that, or the K-12 controversies.

00:11:49.000 This is fairly straightforward stuff, and it's not legally complicated.

00:11:53.000 I mean, our model legislation and the issue brief that we put out, which our Wall Street Journal op-ed summarizes, is very short.

00:12:01.000 And, you know, the different legislatures can craft that for their needs.

00:12:05.000 But this really, you don't have to be a Ron DeSantis.

00:12:10.000 You know, he just plugs away at this stuff and tells people like it is.

00:12:13.000 And that's why he has success.

00:12:14.000 And I think you can do that anywhere.

00:12:18.000 Look, if you're Mike DeWine and you're afraid of your own shadow, you could do this.

00:12:22.000 All right, pal?

00:12:23.000 Like, you could step up to the plate and you could get this done.

00:12:27.000 This is a political winner.

00:12:28.000 I mean, really, it's hard to, you know, it's hard to go against the idea that our students or our faculty shouldn't, you know, be judged based on whether they agree with certain kinds of political beliefs before they're hired or admitted, or that they're, you know, they get indoctrinated into theories that were discredited in the 80s and 90s as being way too left-wing.

00:12:55.000 And all of a sudden, you have to adopt them to be able to be a student organization or to serve on a faculty hiring committee, things like this.

00:13:03.000 Again, this is not the age-old conservative complaint going back to Berkeley in the 60s about the liberal takeover of academia.

00:13:12.000 That's a completely separate issue.

00:13:14.000 Curriculum issues are separate.

00:13:16.000 This is about bureaucracy.

00:13:18.000 And by the way, you introduce finances, right?

00:13:20.000 State legislatures care about finances and student debt and all of this.

00:13:26.000 The reason why college has gotten so expensive isn't because all of a sudden professors are being paid more.

00:13:32.000 It's a little bit because we're installing climbing walls and more fancy gyms and things like this, but mostly it's bureaucrats.

00:13:37.000 And it's the ratio, not of faculty to students that's grown, but bureaucrats to students and faculty.

00:13:42.000 Yeah, the increase of desk workers with DEI mandates has just been extraordinary.

00:13:49.000 So in closing here, this is a very ambitious effort.

00:13:52.000 I want to applaud you guys for it.

00:13:53.000 I think it's super important and courageous and clear because far too often, and I'm the worst at this, I just get so abstract.

00:14:00.000 I think we should abolish some of these colleges.

00:14:01.000 You're like, okay, hold on.

00:14:02.000 Let's start here and then let's work our way forward.

00:14:06.000 I can't imagine any sort of objection here.

00:14:10.000 But the DEI kind of regime has been implemented in many different places.

00:14:15.000 Ron DeSantis is trying to do this with the new college in Florida.

00:14:19.000 We have Ben Sass, who I thought was a very mediocre U.S. senator, but I actually think he'll be a fabulous president of the University of Florida.

00:14:26.000 I think he's really destined to do some good stuff there and he understands the institution well.

00:14:30.000 So, Ilya, in closing, one minute remaining, I see some momentum behind this, don't you?

00:14:34.000 Let's have a competition between the states and let's have them experiment.

00:14:38.000 I mean, look, there's plenty of, you don't have to adopt exactly what we've written.

00:14:41.000 You can tailor this and you can see, you know, Texas, you know, start with the Red State, sure.

00:14:47.000 You know, the Dakotas, Indiana, you mentioned Oklahoma.

00:14:51.000 They should all be taking a look at this and implementing it and then seeing competing for students and faculty for that matter.

00:14:57.000 I mean, let market forces dictate where people actually want to send their kids, where they want to study, where they want to work, because I'm convinced that only by putting in these kinds of measures will we have and returning universities to their truth-seeking original goals, will we then be able to have broader conversations about the interrelationship between academia and the rest of the world?

00:15:22.000 You just violated a thought crime.

00:15:23.000 Truth-seeking, you're positing that there is a truth to seek.

00:15:27.000 How dare you, with your white supremacist, colonialist, misogynistic, bigoted view of the world, that you believe that there is a truth worthy of exploration?

00:15:35.000 The college would say that you are your own truth. 0.95

00:15:38.000 Ilya, God bless you.

00:15:40.000 Thank you so much.

00:15:41.000 It's good to be with you, Charlie.

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00:16:28.000 Joining us now is Steve Kirsch.

00:16:30.000 Steve, welcome back to the program.

00:16:32.000 So, Steve, there's a couple of things I want to go through with you, but let's start with kind of the bombshell report.

00:16:37.000 I'm going to play a piece of tape from Tucker Carlson's program.

00:16:40.000 And God bless Tucker Carlson for being one of the few people with a major platform to speak about this issue.

00:16:45.000 And then I'll let you riff from there.

00:16:46.000 Let's play Cut 73, please.

00:16:48.000 There's something pretty amazing that happened without much notice at all, without any explanation publicly.

00:16:53.000 The FAA just made a major change in the health requirements for pilots with heart damage.

00:17:00.000 The FAA has significantly broadened the acceptable EKG range for commercial pilots.

00:17:05.000 Steve Kirsch reported this on his Substack.

00:17:07.000 Now, the change now allows people with injured hearts, cardiac injury, to fly.

00:17:13.000 Steve Kirsch, walk us through it.

00:17:15.000 Yeah, they basically changed the PR interval.

00:17:21.000 And so this is something that's existed for EKG since the beginning of the EKG, since the invention of the EKG, what's called the PR interval, which has to do with a time for blood to go through your heart.

00:17:35.000 It used to be in a range of 0.12 milliseconds to 0.2, sorry, 0.2 seconds, so 200 milliseconds.

00:17:46.000 And that's always been the top level of the range.

00:17:49.000 They changed it now kind of, and nobody noticed it until just recently.

00:17:55.000 And it's the U.S. Freedom Flyers that actually noticed the change in this.

00:18:02.000 Nobody else noticed.

00:18:04.000 And so they brought it to my attention.

00:18:05.000 I was talking to Josh Yoder in a call, and he said, hey, you should really talk about this because it's not getting any play in the mainstream media for some reason.

00:18:15.000 They basically moved the goalposts.

00:18:18.000 It used to be 0.12 to 0.2 seconds.

00:18:25.000 And now they changed it to 0.3 seconds.

00:18:27.000 And you can now even be longer than 0.3 seconds.

00:18:32.000 And if other conditions are present, you can still fly.

00:18:37.000 So the point is that they didn't go and make people safer.

00:18:42.000 They're moving the goalposts the wrong way to make flying more risky.

00:18:48.000 And we think, and look at the timing of this.

00:18:51.000 This happened in October 2022.

00:18:53.000 So it wasn't last year or year before.

00:18:56.000 It wasn't when COVID was a problem.

00:18:59.000 It's only after people have gotten multiple boosters that they realized.

00:19:04.000 And I'm speculating now that after multiple boosters, they've realized that pilots' hearts are now injured and are displaying abnormal EKGs because why would they all of a sudden move the goalposts?

00:19:16.000 And so when Tucker called them, they called the FAA for an explanation.

00:19:21.000 You know, maybe it was, I don't know how they could explain this.

00:19:25.000 I mean, the cardiologists that I talked to were like livid.

00:19:30.000 They've said, hey, it's always been 0.2, like forever since the beginning of the EKG.

00:19:35.000 And the FAA just moved the goalposts and they didn't give any reason for the change.

00:19:40.000 So Tucker called them up and he asked him for the reason for the change and he basically got gobbledygoop back.

00:19:48.000 I mean, you can, I've listened to the segment several times and I don't even remember.

00:19:52.000 It is so strange how the FAA responded to that.

00:19:57.000 And the other thing I know is I got a tip from an insider saying that they are censoring my post inside the FAA so people don't know about it in the FAA.

00:20:11.000 So people will not get upset.

00:20:13.000 I mean, I was pretty surprised to hear that, that they're censoring my post inside the FAA, because I know they censor me at the CDC.

00:20:24.000 They label my substack apparently as dangerous content.

00:20:28.000 I mean, of all the agencies that would be focused on kind of like this health regime, the FAA was not be on the top of my list at all.

00:20:38.000 It's kind of it's very interesting.

00:20:39.000 So what is the connection then to the vaccine?

00:20:42.000 Is it reasonable then to speculate because of the mRNA gene altering shot that we are seeing heart abnormalities and the FAA is trying to not have a flight shortage due to the previously low standard?

00:20:57.000 Is that an unfair speculation?

00:21:00.000 That would be a pretty fair speculation.

00:21:03.000 You know, there was a Thailand study and they looked at kids before, they looked at 301 kids, and these are basically teenagers, both boys and girls, and they measured things like troponin and other cardiac indicators.

00:21:21.000 And everybody's normal before they get injected with their second shot of Pfizer.

00:21:27.000 And then they looked at them three days, seven days, and 14 days after the shot and measured what happened.

00:21:36.000 And they were pretty stunned as to the rate of cardiac damage.

00:21:42.000 In fact, the markers, the cardiac biomarkers, and there are a bunch of them, changed in close to 30% of the kids that were injected.

00:21:53.000 Now, if this were a standard saline shot, you wouldn't expect anybody, anybody's biomarkers to change like that.

00:22:01.000 And, you know, even more troubling, of course, is the troponin rise.

00:22:06.000 Now, there was a larger study that was done in Switzerland, and this study may never be published because it's so counter-narrative that no journal, no medical journal in the entire world is going to want to publish this because they don't want to get in trouble.

00:22:23.000 But this is how science works.

00:22:25.000 But what they did is they published an article where they said, where they told people their results is that after they were given the shot, it was and they looked at it just three days.

00:22:36.000 They didn't look at multiple intervals because when you get damaged, it actually can go up over time.

00:22:42.000 So this may, but they found 2.8% of 770 people of all ages, 2.8% of the people had cardiac damage, meaning that they had elevated troponins that were above normal.

00:22:57.000 That's not supposed to happen.

00:22:59.000 That means you basically had a heart attack after you got these shots.

00:23:05.000 And so I talked to a cardiologist just to make sure.

00:23:07.000 I don't want to spread misinformation.

00:23:10.000 I talked to a cardiologist who's been doing this for decades.

00:23:14.000 And he said, yeah, he said, 2.8 is the minimum damage because they only looked at one factor, which is troponin.

00:23:23.000 And people didn't get a cardiac MRI with contrast, which would be more of the gold standard of heart damage.

00:23:30.000 They just looked at troponin, which is a pretty sensitive measure of heart damage.

00:23:37.000 And 2.8% of the people had that.

00:23:39.000 So if you extrapolate that to the U.S., that means that the U.S. government has basically injected, has injured the hearts of 7 million Americans minimum.

00:23:49.000 And it could be a lot higher than that.

00:23:52.000 So that's kind of independent confirmation that in these well-controlled studies that the Thailand study found, I think, a fairly similar rate, one or two percent, but this one was 2.8%.

00:24:09.000 So clearly, we are damaging people's hearts.

00:24:12.000 And so it's logical to expect and make that assumption that, yeah, heart damage, abnormal EKG, better extend the range.

00:24:23.000 Otherwise, we're going to have to ground too many pilots.

00:24:25.000 So I sent out a tweet that got me called human garbage by everybody, seen 12 million times, where I committed a terrible crime, the crime of noticing.

00:24:34.000 Can't do that, right?

00:24:35.000 You're not allowed to notice something and meditate.

00:24:36.000 Truth is not, truth can't do that.

00:24:38.000 No, you can't even ask a question.

00:24:40.000 You can't even notice a trend, right?

00:24:41.000 Or else you're a trial.

00:24:42.000 Right, no, trend noticing.

00:24:43.000 That's bad, Charlie.

00:24:44.000 Yeah.

00:24:45.000 So I said this.

00:24:46.000 This is a tragic and all too familiar site right now.

00:24:49.000 Athletes dropping suddenly.

00:24:50.000 Now, that happened to be right after the DeMar Hamlin incident.

00:24:53.000 Praise God.

00:24:53.000 He's doing better.

00:24:54.000 But that could be applicable to the Air Force poor young man who died on a way to class who was a football player.

00:25:00.000 It could be applicable to many other.

00:25:02.000 So Steve, just two minutes.

00:25:03.000 Can you walk us through the data?

00:25:04.000 Is it objectively true that we have seen a disturbing spike in young athletes and young, healthy people that are dropping suddenly?

00:25:13.000 It's happening in plain sight.

00:25:13.000 Absolutely.

00:25:15.000 We're seeing this.

00:25:16.000 And it happens when people's heart rates go up.

00:25:20.000 That could be after a tackle.

00:25:22.000 That could be on the soccer field, soccer.

00:25:24.000 We're seeing it in larger amounts in soccer players because their heart rates get elevated.

00:25:30.000 And so it's putting more stress on the heart, which then is going to show you a more, instead of it being a subclinical myocarditis, you're going to be seeing a clinical manifestation of that, which is people dropping or dropping dead from sudden cardiac arrest on the field.

00:25:48.000 So there's no question that we're seeing more of that.

00:25:52.000 And it's not, of course, just limited to the heart.

00:25:55.000 I just wrote a substack on this happening for strokes.

00:26:00.000 You know, the CDC has denied that there's any connection between the vaccines and strokes.

00:26:06.000 And I just published an article on my substack showing the proof, absolute proof, eight different ways.

00:26:12.000 I looked at this eight different ways and showed that the vaccines cause stroke.

00:26:17.000 So these people are lying.

00:26:19.000 And so I went out and I'm offering a million dollars to anybody who will bet me on this, who thinks that the CDC is telling the truth.

00:26:27.000 And, you know, in fact, nobody, even if I lowered it to 10 cents, nobody would even take a dime of my money because they don't want to be shown to be wrong.

00:26:37.000 And so what I conclude from that is the CDC and the medical community are willing to risk your life, that they are right about the safety of the vaccines, but they aren't willing to risk even a dime of their own money, that they are wrong.

00:26:51.000 So they'll happily sacrifice your life.

00:26:55.000 Well, look, and here's the thing.

00:26:56.000 I mean, the elites, I guarantee you this, the elites are wrong.

00:26:59.000 The elites are going to want unvaccinated pilots.

00:27:01.000 I guarantee it.

00:27:03.000 Steve, stay right there.

00:27:03.000 Stay right there.

00:27:04.000 Yeah, they're going to tell their pilots, hey, make sure you're not vaccinated.

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00:28:13.000 So, Steve, let me ask you: are you starting to see a little bit of a trend?

00:28:16.000 Because I see some of these articles here and there, but you follow this far more rigorously than I do.

00:28:22.000 Of kind of the vaccine manufacturers and/or adjacent approval bodies starting to kind of leak that this vaccine was not properly approved.

00:28:30.000 I saw an article recently.

00:28:32.000 Walk us through that.

00:28:33.000 Yeah, you may be talking about the CNN article.

00:28:36.000 Yes, that one.

00:28:37.000 Yes, I found that.

00:28:38.000 So, there's an article on CNN, and it talks about that the members of the FDA committee are angry.

00:28:49.000 Yes, that's the argument.

00:28:51.000 Yep.

00:28:52.000 Yeah, that the drug company withheld critical information from them before they voted on these boosters, on these bivalent boosters, and they knew a year ago.

00:29:05.000 And what happened is, and here's the exact quote.

00:29:09.000 I'm going to read the exact quote from the CNN article for you because it's going to blow you away.

00:29:14.000 It found that 1.9% of the study participants who received the original booster became infected.

00:29:20.000 That's the original booster.

00:29:21.000 1.9 became infected.

00:29:23.000 Among those who got the updated bivalent vaccine, the one that scientists hope would work better, meaning the number should be lower, a higher percentage, 3.2%, became infected.

00:29:38.000 In other words, when they, every time they inject you with these boosters, it's going to make you more likely to get infected with COVID.

00:29:52.000 And, you know, I cannot find a single healthcare organization in the United States who would say that the more boosters, the better your protection.

00:30:06.000 In fact, they all say the opposite.

00:30:09.000 They all say the more boosters, the more cases we're seeing, the more COVID we're seeing, the more serious the injury is in the hospitalization, and the worse people do and increases their chance of death.

00:30:25.000 I can't find anyone who can show me the numbers and who actually thinks the more boosters are better.

00:30:32.000 And this is why at UCSF, for example, I'm talking to a nurse that used to work there who's in touch with the nurses at UCSF.

00:30:40.000 She says, none of the nurses or doctors are planning to get any more boosters.

00:30:45.000 Not even Paul Offitt is getting any more boosters.

00:30:50.000 And he's on the FDA committee that approved the boosters.

00:30:54.000 So it's like, hey, it's not for me, but let's mandate it for you.

00:31:01.000 And it's like, you know, my bet, I can't even bet people 10 cents.

00:31:05.000 They won't even put any money at all, risk anything, risk or reputation, even for zero, they won't even bet me.

00:31:13.000 And we can have a discussion in front of an impartial panel of six judges that we mutually agree on.

00:31:20.000 And let's debate the question whether the boosters are beneficial, whether the vaccines cause stroke, whether the vaccines cause death, whether vaccines have killed more people than they save.

00:31:34.000 You know, on that one, on that last one, which is the all-cause mortality benefit, only one guy in the entire world was willing to bet me on that.

00:31:43.000 And he wouldn't even bet me the million bucks.

00:31:44.000 He would only bet me half a million bucks because he wasn't that sure of his position.

00:31:48.000 But only one guy is willing to put his money behind to back these interventions, not even the drug companies.

00:31:57.000 See, that's the really troubling thing is that the drug companies refuse to defend their own product.

00:32:02.000 Look, we can have a debate for 10 bucks.

00:32:05.000 We can have a debate for a million bucks.

00:32:06.000 I'll have a debate for 10 million bucks.

00:32:08.000 But they don't want to have a debate.

00:32:10.000 They do not want to have a debate where one side can present and the other side can try to counter it because they know they will lose the debate and then nobody will take the vaccine.

00:32:21.000 This is why the vaccine manufacturers will never debate this with any of the people on my side.

00:32:28.000 And it's not just me.

00:32:29.000 I mean, they can make excuses.

00:32:30.000 Oh, you know, you don't know anything, right?

00:32:32.000 You're just an engineer.

00:32:33.000 Yeah, I am an engineer that's looked at all the data.

00:32:36.000 But hey, if you want to debate anybody on our side, we're happy to do that.

00:32:41.000 But I don't understand why the drug companies don't stand behind their own product.

00:32:45.000 It's probably because they don't have any liability.

00:32:48.000 They're completely protected in liability.

00:32:50.000 So there's no benefit for them to go into a debate because the only thing that will happen in that debate is they will lose.

00:32:57.000 And then nobody will take these vaccines.

00:33:00.000 And then their revenue will drop to zero for these vaccines.

00:33:03.000 And that's what should happen.

00:33:04.000 But you see, this is why they don't want any debate.

00:33:07.000 Now, how is it that these manufacturers are not standing behind their products?

00:33:11.000 They're willing to bet your life.

00:33:13.000 They're willing to risk their life, but they're not even willing to risk their reputation to even talk about it.

00:33:19.000 I mean, that is so corrupt.

00:33:22.000 It's a corrupt way to talk about it.

00:33:23.000 And in my personal opinion, I think that they are going to have to find somebody to blame and they're going to blame Donald Trump.

00:33:28.000 I think that is their emergency escape hatch.

00:33:30.000 They're going to say that he pushed them, they pressured them, used the White House to go after him.

00:33:33.000 Out of time, Steve Kirsch, thank you so much.

00:33:35.000 Appreciate it.

00:33:36.000 Yep.

00:33:36.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:33:37.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:33:39.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:33:41.000 Thank you so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - January 19, 2023

Shot to the Heart, and You're To Blame with Steve Kirsch and Ilya Shapiro

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