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00:01:05.000I'm really excited about the momentum we are experiencing more globally and broadly, not globally across the planet, but just kind of globally in the movement of people that are really starting to say, hey, college is not what it used to be.
00:01:58.000Well, I was on last with you describing the outcome of my fight with Georgetown, where they tried to cancel me and said I canceled them.
00:02:08.000All sorts of illiberal tendencies that my eyes were opened to through that experience.
00:02:18.000And the problem that I discovered, you know, I'm a First Amendment lawyer, constitutional lawyer, now with the Manhattan Institute.
00:02:23.000I've always been into free speech and due process.
00:02:26.000But what I really learned is that what's going on on college campuses, law schools, elsewhere, is the bureaucratization.
00:02:34.000And this is not the decades-old conservative complaint about liberal professors, but rather in the time since I graduated college and law school, there's been this bureaucratic bloat.
00:02:45.000And most of that is these DEI offices, diversity, equity, inclusion, a really Orwellian name that goes against intellectual diversity, prevents equal opportunity, and excludes anyone who deviates from a progressive orthodoxy.
00:03:01.000So I got together with some, you know, lots of people working on this issue, as you mentioned, my MI colleague, Chris Rup, and Matt Bayenberg of the Goldwater Institute.
00:03:12.000We got together and we thought, what can, from a public policy perspective, you know, a lot of people kind of throw up their hands, say the kids these days, or it's the culture, it's nothing for policy to do.
00:03:22.000But actually, at least with respect to public institutions, where a lot, actually, the majority of college students attend public institutions, state legislatures can get involved.
00:03:32.000And we came up with four concrete, very straightforward proposals for what state legislatures can at least do with respect to public institutions.
00:03:43.000And I think you're probably going to want to go into that with that.
00:03:46.000So, I mean, one of the first things right off the bat that you recommend is that we have to abolish diversity, equity, inclusion bureaucracies.
00:03:54.000But, you know, Ilya, I'll be honest, in some of the reddest of red states, let's take North Dakota, let's take South Dakota.
00:03:59.000It is difficult to even persuade Republican legislatures or Republican governors.
00:04:04.000It's, you know, we talk about the military industrial complex in D.C. There is a red state college cartel industrial complex.
00:04:12.000There's some of the biggest employers in some of these rural and agrarian-based towns.
00:04:16.000There's a lot of corrupt development deals.
00:04:18.000There's people that sit on the boards.
00:04:20.000So, first, talk about the need to abolish these bureaucracies and then touch a little bit on the difficulty but the necessity to actually go about accomplishing it.
00:04:29.000Well, first, to be clear, very few people are against diversity or equity.
00:04:46.000No, everyone should, if you're admitted to the school, if you're hired, you should have good opportunities and feel welcome.
00:04:54.000But the problem is, these DEI bureaucracies, as I said at the outset, are against all of those very basic principles, against the American principle of everyone being treated equally regardless of their race or sex or other immutable characteristics.
00:05:11.000Instead, it's the imposition of whether you call it critical theory, critical race theory, or gender-based or what have you, but they've set up divisions and tensions based on race, based on so-called hierarchy of privilege and intersectionality, all of these very academic-y sort of things.
00:05:32.000And studies show that they actually make students feel less welcome and less included and foment tensions and divisions on campus.
00:05:43.000So, the idea is not to roll back civil rights protections or allow discrimination based on race or anything like that.
00:05:51.000It's to what we want to roll back is the last decade or two of developments of these illiberal forces.
00:05:59.000Nothing to do, Charlie, with what faculty can and cannot teach, what courses are offered.
00:06:07.000But here, let the lawyers in the general counsel's office deal with state and federal civil rights issues, anti-discrimination, and all that, but get rid of this, whether you call it woke, whether you call it theories coming in of oppressor-oppressed classes, teaching kids to think about everything through a racial or gender prism.
00:06:28.000These things are the things that are not healthy and that have caused the spiral of campus cultures where people don't feel free to say their mind, where there are thought police that are going after them.
00:06:45.000And so, that's why we're very specific in this proposal to go after DEI officers, not to leave the compliance with state anti-discrimination law and all of that, but these kind of imposing, indoctrinating, very radical theories.
00:07:45.000The talking points about this, you know, it's not even a matter of red state.
00:07:49.000I mean, look, I would wish that moderate kind of average middle-of-the-road moderates that are nationwide waking up to some of these abuses and the weirdness going on in our culture right now.
00:08:10.000We're just getting started about this stuff, but in addition to these bureaucracies, the mandatory diversity training, which again, are indoctrination sessions, and no one's ever been able to prove that having more diversity training leads to less racism or anything like that.
00:08:27.000Getting rid of political coercion, diversity statements.
00:08:30.000You might not be aware, Charlie, but to get hired in a lot of public places or to get admitted, you have to sign a piece of paper.
00:08:37.000It's like an loyalty oath, even though it's very clear for decades from the Supreme Court that that's unconstitutional.
00:08:43.000And yet they're requiring that and ending identity-based preferences in a whole host of ways.
00:08:49.000The Supreme Court might do that at a high level in its cases challenging affirmative action at Harvard at UNC, but there are all sorts of programs and scholarships and things that explicitly say you have to be BIPOC, Black, Indigenous, person of color, and all of this.
00:09:08.000Anyway, all of these left-wing radical theories imposed bureaucratically compelling speech, violating due process in all these ways.
00:09:18.000Again, to be clear, I want to clarify this for all your listeners.
00:09:21.000This is not telling faculty members what they can and cannot teach.
00:09:25.000The issue of critical race theory being part of the curriculum is very different.
00:09:31.000And this is about public universities.
00:09:53.000It's not just about the culture or despairing at the kids these days.
00:09:59.000This is something that legislators in their oversight functions of public institutions can say, look, we just want to abide by federal and state civil rights laws, provide more freedom, more opportunity, whether you're left-wing or right-wing, what kind of things you want to learn.
00:10:16.000But we just don't want to, it's not the job of bureaucrats to run these things.
00:10:20.000Academics, faculty freedom, search for truth, that all is important.
00:10:25.000But it's wresting control of public institutions away from this bureaucratic academic industrial complex, as you put it.
00:10:34.000I do actually think that if we lean too much on the premise of the Civil Rights Act and the regime of the civil rights kind of tradition, that it actually you're going to get more DEI.
00:10:45.000It's a controversial take, but Christopher Caldwell convinced me of that.
00:10:48.000So, Ilya, let me ask you, where do you think it's most achievable to get this done?
00:10:55.000We have a lot of people watching the program that are lawmakers, that are involved, Board of Regent members.
00:10:59.000I suppose the answer could just be, let's try all of the above approach.
00:11:02.000But to your point, this shouldn't be controversial at all.
00:11:05.000No, any state legislator that we've talked to, that the Goldwater Institute we've been working with has talked to, it's a no-brainer.
00:11:13.000I mean, this is like an 80-20 issue, if not more.
00:11:16.000This is not getting into some of the more controversial things you were mentioning, Chris Caldwell's work on the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
00:11:25.000That's starting to be, you know, that's more, but this stuff, you know, not having bureaucrats run the show, you know, loyalty statements, judging people, dividing people based on race.
00:11:40.000You don't have to get into debates about what the exact nature of critical race theory is or anything like that, or the K-12 controversies.
00:11:49.000This is fairly straightforward stuff, and it's not legally complicated.
00:11:53.000I mean, our model legislation and the issue brief that we put out, which our Wall Street Journal op-ed summarizes, is very short.
00:12:01.000And, you know, the different legislatures can craft that for their needs.
00:12:05.000But this really, you don't have to be a Ron DeSantis.
00:12:10.000You know, he just plugs away at this stuff and tells people like it is.
00:12:28.000I mean, really, it's hard to, you know, it's hard to go against the idea that our students or our faculty shouldn't, you know, be judged based on whether they agree with certain kinds of political beliefs before they're hired or admitted, or that they're, you know, they get indoctrinated into theories that were discredited in the 80s and 90s as being way too left-wing.
00:12:55.000And all of a sudden, you have to adopt them to be able to be a student organization or to serve on a faculty hiring committee, things like this.
00:13:03.000Again, this is not the age-old conservative complaint going back to Berkeley in the 60s about the liberal takeover of academia.
00:14:02.000Let's start here and then let's work our way forward.
00:14:06.000I can't imagine any sort of objection here.
00:14:10.000But the DEI kind of regime has been implemented in many different places.
00:14:15.000Ron DeSantis is trying to do this with the new college in Florida.
00:14:19.000We have Ben Sass, who I thought was a very mediocre U.S. senator, but I actually think he'll be a fabulous president of the University of Florida.
00:14:26.000I think he's really destined to do some good stuff there and he understands the institution well.
00:14:30.000So, Ilya, in closing, one minute remaining, I see some momentum behind this, don't you?
00:14:34.000Let's have a competition between the states and let's have them experiment.
00:14:38.000I mean, look, there's plenty of, you don't have to adopt exactly what we've written.
00:14:41.000You can tailor this and you can see, you know, Texas, you know, start with the Red State, sure.
00:14:47.000You know, the Dakotas, Indiana, you mentioned Oklahoma.
00:14:51.000They should all be taking a look at this and implementing it and then seeing competing for students and faculty for that matter.
00:14:57.000I mean, let market forces dictate where people actually want to send their kids, where they want to study, where they want to work, because I'm convinced that only by putting in these kinds of measures will we have and returning universities to their truth-seeking original goals, will we then be able to have broader conversations about the interrelationship between academia and the rest of the world?
00:15:23.000Truth-seeking, you're positing that there is a truth to seek.
00:15:27.000How dare you, with your white supremacist, colonialist, misogynistic, bigoted view of the world, that you believe that there is a truth worthy of exploration?
00:15:35.000The college would say that you are your own truth.
00:17:15.000Yeah, they basically changed the PR interval.
00:17:21.000And so this is something that's existed for EKG since the beginning of the EKG, since the invention of the EKG, what's called the PR interval, which has to do with a time for blood to go through your heart.
00:17:35.000It used to be in a range of 0.12 milliseconds to 0.2, sorry, 0.2 seconds, so 200 milliseconds.
00:17:46.000And that's always been the top level of the range.
00:17:49.000They changed it now kind of, and nobody noticed it until just recently.
00:17:55.000And it's the U.S. Freedom Flyers that actually noticed the change in this.
00:18:04.000And so they brought it to my attention.
00:18:05.000I was talking to Josh Yoder in a call, and he said, hey, you should really talk about this because it's not getting any play in the mainstream media for some reason.
00:18:59.000It's only after people have gotten multiple boosters that they realized.
00:19:04.000And I'm speculating now that after multiple boosters, they've realized that pilots' hearts are now injured and are displaying abnormal EKGs because why would they all of a sudden move the goalposts?
00:19:16.000And so when Tucker called them, they called the FAA for an explanation.
00:19:21.000You know, maybe it was, I don't know how they could explain this.
00:19:25.000I mean, the cardiologists that I talked to were like livid.
00:19:30.000They've said, hey, it's always been 0.2, like forever since the beginning of the EKG.
00:19:35.000And the FAA just moved the goalposts and they didn't give any reason for the change.
00:19:40.000So Tucker called them up and he asked him for the reason for the change and he basically got gobbledygoop back.
00:19:48.000I mean, you can, I've listened to the segment several times and I don't even remember.
00:19:52.000It is so strange how the FAA responded to that.
00:19:57.000And the other thing I know is I got a tip from an insider saying that they are censoring my post inside the FAA so people don't know about it in the FAA.
00:20:39.000So what is the connection then to the vaccine?
00:20:42.000Is it reasonable then to speculate because of the mRNA gene altering shot that we are seeing heart abnormalities and the FAA is trying to not have a flight shortage due to the previously low standard?
00:21:00.000That would be a pretty fair speculation.
00:21:03.000You know, there was a Thailand study and they looked at kids before, they looked at 301 kids, and these are basically teenagers, both boys and girls, and they measured things like troponin and other cardiac indicators.
00:21:21.000And everybody's normal before they get injected with their second shot of Pfizer.
00:21:27.000And then they looked at them three days, seven days, and 14 days after the shot and measured what happened.
00:21:36.000And they were pretty stunned as to the rate of cardiac damage.
00:21:42.000In fact, the markers, the cardiac biomarkers, and there are a bunch of them, changed in close to 30% of the kids that were injected.
00:21:53.000Now, if this were a standard saline shot, you wouldn't expect anybody, anybody's biomarkers to change like that.
00:22:01.000And, you know, even more troubling, of course, is the troponin rise.
00:22:06.000Now, there was a larger study that was done in Switzerland, and this study may never be published because it's so counter-narrative that no journal, no medical journal in the entire world is going to want to publish this because they don't want to get in trouble.
00:22:25.000But what they did is they published an article where they said, where they told people their results is that after they were given the shot, it was and they looked at it just three days.
00:22:36.000They didn't look at multiple intervals because when you get damaged, it actually can go up over time.
00:22:42.000So this may, but they found 2.8% of 770 people of all ages, 2.8% of the people had cardiac damage, meaning that they had elevated troponins that were above normal.
00:23:39.000So if you extrapolate that to the U.S., that means that the U.S. government has basically injected, has injured the hearts of 7 million Americans minimum.
00:23:49.000And it could be a lot higher than that.
00:23:52.000So that's kind of independent confirmation that in these well-controlled studies that the Thailand study found, I think, a fairly similar rate, one or two percent, but this one was 2.8%.
00:24:09.000So clearly, we are damaging people's hearts.
00:24:12.000And so it's logical to expect and make that assumption that, yeah, heart damage, abnormal EKG, better extend the range.
00:24:23.000Otherwise, we're going to have to ground too many pilots.
00:24:25.000So I sent out a tweet that got me called human garbage by everybody, seen 12 million times, where I committed a terrible crime, the crime of noticing.
00:25:22.000That could be on the soccer field, soccer.
00:25:24.000We're seeing it in larger amounts in soccer players because their heart rates get elevated.
00:25:30.000And so it's putting more stress on the heart, which then is going to show you a more, instead of it being a subclinical myocarditis, you're going to be seeing a clinical manifestation of that, which is people dropping or dropping dead from sudden cardiac arrest on the field.
00:25:48.000So there's no question that we're seeing more of that.
00:25:52.000And it's not, of course, just limited to the heart.
00:25:55.000I just wrote a substack on this happening for strokes.
00:26:00.000You know, the CDC has denied that there's any connection between the vaccines and strokes.
00:26:06.000And I just published an article on my substack showing the proof, absolute proof, eight different ways.
00:26:12.000I looked at this eight different ways and showed that the vaccines cause stroke.
00:26:19.000And so I went out and I'm offering a million dollars to anybody who will bet me on this, who thinks that the CDC is telling the truth.
00:26:27.000And, you know, in fact, nobody, even if I lowered it to 10 cents, nobody would even take a dime of my money because they don't want to be shown to be wrong.
00:26:37.000And so what I conclude from that is the CDC and the medical community are willing to risk your life, that they are right about the safety of the vaccines, but they aren't willing to risk even a dime of their own money, that they are wrong.
00:26:51.000So they'll happily sacrifice your life.
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00:28:52.000Yeah, that the drug company withheld critical information from them before they voted on these boosters, on these bivalent boosters, and they knew a year ago.
00:29:05.000And what happened is, and here's the exact quote.
00:29:09.000I'm going to read the exact quote from the CNN article for you because it's going to blow you away.
00:29:14.000It found that 1.9% of the study participants who received the original booster became infected.
00:29:23.000Among those who got the updated bivalent vaccine, the one that scientists hope would work better, meaning the number should be lower, a higher percentage, 3.2%, became infected.
00:29:38.000In other words, when they, every time they inject you with these boosters, it's going to make you more likely to get infected with COVID.
00:29:52.000And, you know, I cannot find a single healthcare organization in the United States who would say that the more boosters, the better your protection.
00:30:09.000They all say the more boosters, the more cases we're seeing, the more COVID we're seeing, the more serious the injury is in the hospitalization, and the worse people do and increases their chance of death.
00:30:25.000I can't find anyone who can show me the numbers and who actually thinks the more boosters are better.
00:30:32.000And this is why at UCSF, for example, I'm talking to a nurse that used to work there who's in touch with the nurses at UCSF.
00:30:40.000She says, none of the nurses or doctors are planning to get any more boosters.
00:30:45.000Not even Paul Offitt is getting any more boosters.
00:30:50.000And he's on the FDA committee that approved the boosters.
00:30:54.000So it's like, hey, it's not for me, but let's mandate it for you.
00:31:01.000And it's like, you know, my bet, I can't even bet people 10 cents.
00:31:05.000They won't even put any money at all, risk anything, risk or reputation, even for zero, they won't even bet me.
00:31:13.000And we can have a discussion in front of an impartial panel of six judges that we mutually agree on.
00:31:20.000And let's debate the question whether the boosters are beneficial, whether the vaccines cause stroke, whether the vaccines cause death, whether vaccines have killed more people than they save.
00:31:34.000You know, on that one, on that last one, which is the all-cause mortality benefit, only one guy in the entire world was willing to bet me on that.
00:31:43.000And he wouldn't even bet me the million bucks.
00:31:44.000He would only bet me half a million bucks because he wasn't that sure of his position.
00:31:48.000But only one guy is willing to put his money behind to back these interventions, not even the drug companies.
00:31:57.000See, that's the really troubling thing is that the drug companies refuse to defend their own product.
00:32:02.000Look, we can have a debate for 10 bucks.
00:32:05.000We can have a debate for a million bucks.
00:32:06.000I'll have a debate for 10 million bucks.
00:32:10.000They do not want to have a debate where one side can present and the other side can try to counter it because they know they will lose the debate and then nobody will take the vaccine.
00:32:21.000This is why the vaccine manufacturers will never debate this with any of the people on my side.