The Charlie Kirk Show - Should James Comey Head to Jail? + AMA 264

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00:01:46.000 And it looks like we're going to start with what's happening in Maine.

00:01:50.000 So if you watched the Cold Open, you saw a clip from CNN where Scott Jennings was basically talking about this guy who has a Nazi tattoo.

00:01:59.000 His name is Graham Plattner.

00:02:02.000 He has described himself, what was it, as Antifa's preeminent soldier?

00:02:07.000 He liked the line.

00:02:09.000 I think someone else described himself as an Antifa super soldier.

00:02:12.000 Oh, that's interesting.

00:02:13.000 That was a line he liked on Reddit, which that's our future now.

00:02:18.000 This guy is a 41 year old, but he has a bunch of Reddit posts from 2020, 2021.

00:02:23.000 Let me get some images of this guy up here while we're talking about it.

00:02:26.000 Let me explain Graham Platner to you.

00:02:27.000 It's time to deal with this guy out of Maine.

00:02:30.000 He's going to be running against Susan Collins.

00:02:31.000 And I have interesting tidbits from Charlie on Susan Collins, we'll get to in a second.

00:02:35.000 But he's the presumptive Democratic nominee for U.S. Senate in Maine in the upcoming 2026 election here, okay? 0.95

00:02:43.000 So, Janet Mills suspended her campaign, citing a lack of funds.

00:02:47.000 So, that's cleared the path for Platner ahead of the June 9th primary.

00:02:52.000 So, he's now presumptive, right?

00:02:54.000 Platner, a Marine veteran, oyster farmer, and he's a political newcomer.

00:02:59.000 He has faced a wave of scrutiny.

00:03:01.000 We've not really gotten into it too much on this show, but it started in the fall.

00:03:05.000 And he kind of came into this race as an anti establishment progressive guy.

00:03:11.000 So, here's what the controversies around this gentleman are a Nazi affiliated tattoo.

00:03:16.000 So, he had a chest tattoo that he got while he was serving as a Marine, apparently, in Croatia in 2008.

00:03:25.000 And it's imagery as a skull and crossbone style that was linked to Nazi or extremist symbolism.

00:03:31.000 Yeah.

00:03:32.000 And he's owned it, right?

00:03:34.000 Yeah.

00:03:35.000 Apparently, he covered it up after it surfaced and said he was unaware of the association.

00:03:39.000 He's apologized publicly.

00:03:41.000 Then you get to his Reddit feed, which we have warned about Reddit.

00:03:44.000 Reddit and Blue Sky are basically where left wing extremism gets domesticated.

00:03:50.000 Well, what's good about it is the left has a certain lack of survival instinct about posting online.

00:03:56.000 So, you know, you'll have like right wingers will get in trouble for stuff they posted, but at least they usually had a pseudonym and someone had to hack it or whatever.

00:04:03.000 Like, leftists will just be like small businessmen posting about how they want someone to shoot Trump in the head and they want a revolution and they fantasize about guillotine.

00:04:15.000 It's because nobody's ever made them be held accountable for something.

00:04:18.000 No, they're doing that all the time.

00:04:19.000 And the left has, in the case of Platner, what's really funny about it is they've just, they've actually like come out and openly said, That they would never forgive Plattner for his past if he were a Republican.

00:04:32.000 But luckily, since he is a Democrat, we know that he's okay.

00:04:36.000 Okay, so what are some of those comments?

00:04:38.000 He's downplayed, made light of sexual assault and rape, at least in military contexts.

00:04:44.000 Victim blaming, apparently, is some of it, or blaming intoxication.

00:04:49.000 He's made racially charged remarks, questioning black tipping habits.

00:04:54.000 He's been accused of misogyny, being homophobic, crude language.

00:04:58.000 So basically, they've hurled a lot of the same.

00:05:01.000 Insults at him as they do the average right winger.

00:05:04.000 He's made anti police sentiments. 1.00

00:05:06.000 He said all cops are bastards, calling rural white Mainers racist and stupid. 1.00

00:05:14.000 Those are his future voters. 1.00

00:05:16.000 Let's see if they end up pulling the ballot for him.

00:05:22.000 We'll see.

00:05:24.000 And he self identified as a communist in some posts.

00:05:26.000 So this is my question, Blake.

00:05:27.000 You're a student of history, you understand ideologies and political philosophy.

00:05:32.000 Is he a Nazi?

00:05:33.000 Or is he a communist?

00:05:34.000 No, he's, yeah.

00:05:35.000 First of all, yes.

00:05:36.000 But, you know, the thing about it is, is they'll say he, honestly, it's probably believable that he just got this tattoo because he thought it looked cool and then covered it up later.

00:05:50.000 Or he might just be this huge winger swinging back and forth every direction, one way or the other.

00:05:55.000 I assume that's his updated, yeah, his updated tattoo.

00:05:59.000 But, like, what matters a lot more is the fact that he, in recent history, yeah, that he's supportive of.

00:06:05.000 Antifa, which, as we've tried to warn people, this is not just a left wing protest movement.

00:06:10.000 It's a left wing street violence unit.

00:06:13.000 The people they look up to, especially in Europe, this is a very refined art.

00:06:17.000 They will go out, they'll bash people with hammers, they'll torch people's offices and stores.

00:06:23.000 They will, they really believe in using street violence to get things done.

00:06:27.000 And then engineering the legal system to avoid consequences for it.

00:06:30.000 And we're seeing that in America too.

00:06:31.000 We see that with the brewing company guy out in Wisconsin.

00:06:35.000 Was that Manaqua?

00:06:36.000 Manaqua.

00:06:37.000 Brewing.

00:06:38.000 This guy's definitely not mentally well.

00:06:41.000 I mean, something's wrong with him.

00:06:44.000 But that is who Antifa appeals to. 0.98

00:06:46.000 That's why they get so much, let's just say it, kind of disgusting riffraff. 0.95

00:06:52.000 People who have a lot of problems are drawn into Antifa, and it's this radicalization engine. 0.91

00:06:59.000 It makes them turn against everything functional in society.

00:07:03.000 Anyone who has a business, especially a small business, Antifa types, they hate small businesses vastly more than big business most of the time.

00:07:09.000 Yeah, probably.

00:07:10.000 And they don't mind.

00:07:10.000 Vandalizing them.

00:07:12.000 This is why we actually also have to be worried about the epidemic of prescription medications and antidepressants and all this stuff.

00:07:19.000 I mean, because there is a lot of mental illness out there.

00:07:22.000 And the more that we, you know, prescribe these medications, we're covering it up.

00:07:26.000 And I'm telling you, a lot of these left wingers at this Antifa types, there's a mental unhingedness going on. 0.89

00:07:32.000 They are not mentally well. 0.98

00:07:34.000 And we have to be very aware of the fact that when they go online and they see all this like crazy crap, they're liable to take hold of it and do something crazy about it. 0.99

00:07:42.000 Last night, this was. 0.98

00:07:44.000 Race was discussed on CNN.

00:07:46.000 So I want to play some clips here.

00:07:48.000 This is the old friend Adam Machler.

00:07:51.000 This guy, I mean, listen, if the roles were reversed and this was a Republican we were talking about, this whole answer would be opposite.

00:07:59.000 That's all I'm going to tell you.

00:08:00.000 Stop for it. 0.80

00:08:01.000 Now, if this were a Republican candidate who had had a Nazi tattoo, covered it up when he was running for something, and had said all the things that he had said about black people, about women, about rape, et cetera, do you really think there's a world in which Democrats would be like, let's just let bygones be bygones?

00:08:20.000 That's the past.

00:08:21.000 Today's the present.

00:08:22.000 I think we're entering a new era, and we'll see what the base wants.

00:08:24.000 We'll see who wins when the actual election happens.

00:08:27.000 But for the past decade, Democrats have been unified by our opposition to Donald Trump.

00:08:31.000 And now, Graham Plattner has a forward looking message.

00:08:34.000 So, if Donald Trump or if another Republican had a Nazi tattoo, I don't know. 0.53

00:08:38.000 Donald Trump has dinner with Nazis. 0.52

00:08:39.000 It's not that far from, you know, it's happening.

00:08:41.000 But there's also plausible deniability regarding Graham Plattner's tattoo.

00:08:45.000 We don't know if he knew.

00:08:45.000 We don't know what he knew.

00:08:46.000 But it's not just the tattoo.

00:08:48.000 It's not just the tattoo.

00:08:50.000 It's not just the tattoo.

00:08:52.000 Adam Machler is a total phony, and he was doing cover for him because he's a young radical, and that's his job.

00:09:00.000 His job is to go up there and be the young guy that supports the new thing.

00:09:03.000 It's so fresh, fresh face.

00:09:05.000 Okay, got it.

00:09:07.000 He supports him too.

00:09:07.000 How about Hassan Piker?

00:09:09.000 Sot 6.

00:09:10.000 Dude, are you unironically saying Janet Mills is better than Grand Platner?

00:09:15.000 Please, dude. 0.95

00:09:17.000 He was pro Hamas, okay? 0.77

00:09:20.000 He was giving Hamas credit in 2014.

00:09:24.000 Okay, what more do you want? 0.98

00:09:28.000 I think that really captures it better than anything, the direction we're headed.

00:09:31.000 But it's not in 2014. 0.75

00:09:33.000 We're going to have Democrats who just love Hamas right now. 0.67

00:09:36.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:09:37.000 Everything's great.

00:09:39.000 All right.

00:09:39.000 So I got to go into a story that I don't really want to go into.

00:09:43.000 But you know what?

00:09:44.000 Screw it.

00:09:46.000 So there's a person named, and it's so funny because I learned about the story this morning and I was like, who?

00:09:54.000 Her name is Vivian Kubrick.

00:09:57.000 Okay.

00:09:59.000 So Vivian. 1.00

00:10:00.000 Apparently, she didn't like Erica's remarks earlier this week, and she went on some unhinged rant, basically, attacking Turning Point, attacking Erica.

00:10:15.000 And I was like, Who is this person?

00:10:16.000 Like, you know, why do I care?

00:10:19.000 Well, it's because she's the estranged daughter of the now deceased director, Stanley Kubrick, who did a lot of famous movies.

00:10:28.000 I think his last one was that creepy one with.

00:10:33.000 Nicole Kidman and Tom Wise Wide Shut.

00:10:35.000 Eyes Wide Shut.

00:10:36.000 That's right.

00:10:37.000 The Shining.

00:10:38.000 He did The Shining.

00:10:38.000 What's that?

00:10:39.000 The Shining.

00:10:39.000 He did my favorite Paths of Glory Black and White World War I.

00:10:44.000 Oh, it's good.

00:10:44.000 Oh, I've not seen that.

00:10:45.000 Okay.

00:10:46.000 Yeah, I mean, a very illustrious director, but she's a daughter of a director.

00:10:46.000 Well, interesting.

00:10:50.000 So, like, who cares?

00:10:51.000 But, anyways, I took note of it because she basically says that President Trump needs to kill Turning Point.

00:11:00.000 So, that was like in this whole.

00:11:03.000 Unhinged rants.

00:11:03.000 You'll see it right there, New York Post.

00:11:06.000 President Trump, you know, asked President Trump to kill Turning Point USA.

00:11:11.000 So if you remember, like, what Erica was even talking about this week, and we devoted a whole episode of the show to it, and Erica did a great job.

00:11:20.000 She said it's the dehumanizing language, and she was reflecting on the White House correspondence dinner, the three assassination attempts on President Trump, and obviously the assassination of Charlie.

00:11:31.000 And basically said, you know, Dehumanizing people leads to a really ugly place, and we need to stop.

00:11:38.000 Enough is enough.

00:11:38.000 We're done putting up with this, and something needs to be done.

00:11:41.000 And then, you know, lo and behold, somebody that steps into this role is Stanley Kubrick's estranged daughter, who became a Scientologist, it looks like, in the 90s and is now an avid supporter of people like Candace and other people that are into the conspiracy world.

00:12:01.000 Apparently, she was a QAnon fan.

00:12:04.000 So I just, I'll be nice about it. 0.92

00:12:07.000 I just want to say to say out loud that you want to kill Turning Point USA.

00:12:14.000 Vivian, I want you to understand that you are potentially stoking violent people to do crazy things.

00:12:19.000 And that does not end in a good place.

00:12:22.000 And so I pray that you restrain yourselves in the future and maybe get off the internet and go enjoy life because it's not worthy of anybody's time for you to be saying such vile things.

00:12:35.000 It's not a good look for you.

00:12:37.000 It's not good for us.

00:12:38.000 It's not good for the country.

00:12:40.000 It's not good for your family or your reputation.

00:12:43.000 So please stop doing it.

00:12:44.000 I don't know, Blake, if you have any thoughts to add to it, but I wanted to address it because it's just another one of these things that pops up, and I wanted to address it.

00:12:53.000 I guess it's just these children of directors.

00:12:57.000 They're even probably even more lamentable than children of actors or the actors themselves.

00:13:03.000 Childhood actors.

00:13:04.000 Child actors.

00:13:07.000 Some ex child actors are great, but ex child actors?

00:13:11.000 Well, maybe that's just a little bit.

00:13:12.000 Let me remind you I believe it was a former child actor who paid for the defense of Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:13:17.000 Wow.

00:13:18.000 That was a great heroic act.

00:13:19.000 Some end up in a really good spot.

00:13:21.000 That's what I want for all of you.

00:13:23.000 I want some children of directors to pay for Daniel Penny's defense and the future.

00:13:28.000 Vivian, we have a deal.

00:13:29.000 We have a deal to make with you.

00:13:31.000 If you are willing, we can bury the hatchet.

00:13:34.000 And listen, my heart is one of peace.

00:13:36.000 I want love.

00:13:37.000 I want harmony.

00:13:38.000 But don't come at us like that. 1.00

00:13:40.000 And don't come at Erica like that. 1.00

00:13:42.000 That's not cool. 1.00

00:13:44.000 That's mean.

00:13:45.000 It's mean.

00:13:47.000 We don't need to phrase it that way.

00:13:48.000 It's mean. 0.99

00:13:49.000 Erica's a tough woman. 1.00

00:13:50.000 She can handle people being mean. 0.98

00:13:51.000 That's true.

00:13:52.000 People are going to be mean.

00:13:53.000 The left is very mean.

00:13:54.000 But what she has been saying, I think, is important to emphasize.

00:13:58.000 She's talking about the dehumanizing rhetoric.

00:14:00.000 And what she's getting at, I think, is an important thing to say, which is we have freedom of speech in the United States.

00:14:07.000 And as you know, I'm basically an unhinged free speech absolutist.

00:14:12.000 I don't hate speech, it's not a thing.

00:14:14.000 Not a thing.

00:14:15.000 In general, I hate speech.

00:14:17.000 I hate gross speeches.

00:14:18.000 But a lot of people, they're much more willing to embrace, oh, I think this.

00:14:23.000 Statement is threatening or should be indicted for this or that.

00:14:27.000 And I'm almost always of the attitude that unless you are actively whipping up a mob to go burn someone's house down, go loot a business, go shoot someone, it's probably better to say that it's fine.

00:14:38.000 Otherwise, you're going down the path towards Europe where.

00:14:41.000 I'm not saying any of that.

00:14:42.000 No, I'm just saying.

00:14:44.000 Okay, yeah.

00:14:45.000 There's been some lines on this.

00:14:47.000 And I think what Erica is pointing out is when you have people recklessly fanning flames of hate.

00:14:56.000 That is the step towards where people decide actually, we're okay with dialing back freedom of speech.

00:15:03.000 Because the only reason we're going to have free speech stick around is if people want it to stick around and insist that it stick around.

00:15:10.000 Right now, we keep it because we have a good legacy of federal judges in the 20th century who really entrenched freedom of speech as a value in America such that it's hard to restrict speech.

00:15:22.000 But the left wants to restrict speech.

00:15:24.000 The left are the ones who go around saying, well, there's hate speech exceptions.

00:15:28.000 Okay, the public will go along with this if they're thinking there's going to be violence.

00:15:31.000 I just want to be very clear.

00:15:33.000 I'm not suggesting anybody's speech be restricted.

00:15:36.000 I'm just saying I have my own free speech.

00:15:40.000 We're going to end up debating this in the next segment.

00:15:42.000 Do we think James Comey did anything wrong?

00:15:44.000 Yeah.

00:15:45.000 Well, that's an open question that we're going to have.

00:15:47.000 We're going to have Mike Davis on in the next segment to discuss just that.

00:15:50.000 And by the way, we also have gotten word that the DOJ is going to enforce the Supreme Court ruling that has called racial gerrymandering illegal, essentially.

00:16:01.000 And so those two topics we're going to get into with Mike Davis.

00:16:05.000 But yeah, just to be very, very clear, I don't believe in the concept of hate speech.

00:16:10.000 I think there is gross speech.

00:16:11.000 There is vile speech.

00:16:12.000 There is unhinged speech.

00:16:15.000 There is, you know, all kinds of different categories.

00:16:17.000 But I don't even believe in that category of hate speech, not in America, at least.

00:16:21.000 And that is a beautiful heritage that we have.

00:16:24.000 And we need to keep it strong and instill it and make sure it's defended and protected.

00:16:29.000 Absolutely.

00:16:30.000 But that's not at all what I was talking about.

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00:17:49.000 All right, Mike Davis, it's been a minute since we've had you on the show, my friend.

00:17:54.000 Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:17:55.000 How you been?

00:17:56.000 I've been great.

00:17:57.000 Thanks for having me back on, guys.

00:17:59.000 So, we've got a couple things that are on the docket today.

00:18:02.000 One of which is this Comey indictment.

00:18:07.000 So, we'll put that one bucket.

00:18:09.000 And then the other is this DOJ is now publicly said they're going to enforce the SCOTUS ruling on maps and redistricting.

00:18:16.000 Both legal questions with a lot of, I guess, unanswered questions.

00:18:21.000 So, let's start with Comey.

00:18:23.000 Blake is not convinced.

00:18:26.000 What do you think?

00:18:27.000 Did he do something when he posted that picture, 86 47?

00:18:32.000 Did he make a threat against the president's life?

00:18:35.000 Yes.

00:18:36.000 And you do not have a First Amendment right to threaten the president's life.

00:18:42.000 You do not have a First Amendment right to threaten any federal officials' lives.

00:18:47.000 There are criminal statutes that are on the books.

00:18:51.000 One is if you make an assassination attempt against the president, you're charged with that felony.

00:18:57.000 Or make it a threat against the president.

00:19:01.000 You're charged with that felony.

00:19:02.000 The others, if you transmit it online, that's another felony.

00:19:05.000 That's exactly what happened with James Comey.

00:19:08.000 James Comey is not your average Joe who does not understand what he's doing.

00:19:14.000 He is a former FBI director, he is a former deputy attorney general, the number two in the Justice Department.

00:19:23.000 He's a former U.S. attorney.

00:19:26.000 He posted this 86 47 seashell thread on Instagram after two assassination attempts against the president of the United States.

00:19:40.000 He did this within days of releasing his new novel about coded threats by right wingers.

00:19:51.000 James Comey knew exactly what he was doing.

00:19:53.000 This was after the election.

00:19:54.000 Mike, Mike, I want to.

00:19:56.000 Yeah, no, I think this is some of the context that gets lost in this debate.

00:19:59.000 And, and, Listen, I'm a little bit, I'm not sure what's going to happen here if this indictment's going to stick and he's going to get convicted.

00:20:07.000 But I think that context is really important.

00:20:09.000 So, as a former FBI director, he obviously is very aware of criminal elements and criminality in general, right?

00:20:15.000 Secondly, President Trump at this point had just been, uh, survived two assassination attempts.

00:20:21.000 Well, and he wrote a book about coded assassination attempts.

00:20:25.000 It, it, that part of this story, I think, gets lost.

00:20:29.000 You know, when you look at CNN or you look at MS Now or whatever, even Fox, whatever.

00:20:34.000 But those are relevant and pertinent details.

00:20:36.000 First of all, I don't even say.

00:20:36.000 Go ahead, Blake.

00:20:38.000 86 isn't even a.

00:20:41.000 It doesn't even mean kill somebody.

00:20:42.000 Well, it can.

00:20:43.000 Okay, it can, but so can, like, get rid of.

00:20:48.000 Okay, so if you say we should get rid of Trump, is that an assassination threat?

00:20:52.000 No, no, not if you say get rid of Trump.

00:20:52.000 I don't think so.

00:20:54.000 No, absolutely not.

00:20:55.000 I think the question here is when you talk about 86ing somebody, it could be, like, the president, I think, did a truth on this where it could be, like, mob speak, violent speak.

00:21:07.000 For killing somebody.

00:21:08.000 But that is one of the alternative meanings.

00:21:10.000 But I do agree that the main thrust of that meaning, 8647, is to eject somebody, to get rid of them.

00:21:17.000 Yeah, I've heard it associated with restaurants and bars and stuff.

00:21:20.000 Yeah, 86 that customer.

00:21:22.000 I don't think that usually means.

00:21:23.000 So legally, Mike, how difficult is that going to be to prove in court?

00:21:28.000 Well, I mean, that's a defense that he could make.

00:21:31.000 He can say that that was not my intent.

00:21:34.000 He'd have to testify to do that.

00:21:36.000 And that wouldn't be very smart for him to testify.

00:21:39.000 Look, At the end of the day, I have zero sympathy for James Comey.

00:21:43.000 He's a top law enforcement official.

00:21:46.000 He politicized and weaponized the Justice Department to go after Trump.

00:21:53.000 He set up Michael Flynn and caused a great deal of hardship for General Michael Flynn, President Trump's incoming national security advisor.

00:22:03.000 I just have zero sympathy for him.

00:22:07.000 And look, I'm not some principled.

00:22:10.000 Conservative who, like, I'm not a high browed principal conservative.

00:22:14.000 I am a partisan street fighter, and I love that James Comey is getting a healthy dose of his own medicine.

00:22:22.000 Call it lawfare, call it whatever you want.

00:22:24.000 Two wrongs don't make it right, but it makes it even.

00:22:27.000 So, Mike, do you remember this clip when he was sort of walking through how he'd like to see Trump in prison, SOT 24?

00:22:37.000 Do you agree with that?

00:22:38.000 That it would be difficult or nearly impossible for the law enforcement institutions to put him in actual jail?

00:22:43.000 No, they would just put him in a double wide somewhere out near the fence, out in the grass.

00:22:48.000 And he would eat there, he'd shower there, he'd exercise there, he'd be away, as Donya Perry said, from the general population.

00:22:55.000 But it's obviously doable.

00:22:58.000 I remember that guy.

00:22:59.000 I just feel skeptical here.

00:23:00.000 James Comey, of course, doesn't like the president at all.

00:23:03.000 They've had a decade worth of bad blood at this point.

00:23:06.000 He was fired as head of the FBI.

00:23:08.000 He's written stuff critical of Trump.

00:23:10.000 He's testified in a hostile way to Trump.

00:23:12.000 And he made posts on social media that are clearly hostile towards Trump.

00:23:16.000 But I just feel it stretches credulity for me for anyone who saw that post to think James Comey is threatening to personally go or is inciting somebody to go and assassinate the president.

00:23:33.000 I feel very skeptical of that.

00:23:34.000 Yeah, I understand the skepticism.

00:23:37.000 Were you about to say something, Mike?

00:23:38.000 Yeah, I would just say maybe, but I think that citizens on the grand jury disagree and they weren't skeptical, they indicted them.

00:23:47.000 They found probable cause.

00:23:49.000 I think there's more evidence that will come out that we haven't seen yet.

00:23:52.000 I think there's probable cause that James Comey had the subjective intent.

00:23:57.000 He intended for his message to be to threaten the life of the president of the United States.

00:24:03.000 And that's why they indicted him.

00:24:04.000 Look, I agree that you have to be careful about going down this road where you're going after people for their speech.

00:24:12.000 This is not protected speech.

00:24:13.000 Making a threat against the president is not protected speech.

00:24:17.000 It's a federal crime, it's several federal crimes, as James Comey just said.

00:24:21.000 Learned and it's dangerous.

00:24:22.000 Look, we just saw with this third assassination attempt that people take these messages and they act on them, and that's exactly what James Comey wanted.

00:24:32.000 Again, he wrote a book about this, about coded messages, like leading to political violence.

00:24:39.000 All right, I want to pivot really quick, Mike.

00:24:39.000 That is wild.

00:24:42.000 The Justice Department says it will enforce the SCOTUS ruling in every state with racially gerrymandered districts.

00:24:47.000 So, we're talking South Carolina, I guess North Carolina has already been done, Florida, Georgia.

00:24:54.000 Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee.

00:24:58.000 This could be a huge, huge shift politically.

00:25:02.000 I think I'm not overstating the case when I say that Democrats appear to be freaking out.

00:25:06.000 Like there's actual panic amongst Democrats, and now AOC's out there vowing to retaliate in every blue state.

00:25:13.000 I mean, we saw this hypothetical map of Illinois where it literally has, I think, what, 17 dishes?

00:25:19.000 Don't quote me on the number 17.

00:25:21.000 And they're all spaghetti noodles that run up to Chicago.

00:25:24.000 So, this is what they're going to try and do to counter it.

00:25:29.000 What can they legally do to defend this?

00:25:33.000 Meaning, can we actually get these maps changed quickly?

00:25:36.000 Do they have the legal right and oomph to do it?

00:25:38.000 Give us your take.

00:25:39.000 Yeah, the Supreme Court's ruling, 6 3, made crystal clear you cannot have intentional racial discrimination when you're creating these congressional districts.

00:25:50.000 You can't have DEI districts like the Democrats have done for so long.

00:25:55.000 You can.

00:25:56.000 You can gerrymander based upon politics, but you cannot gerrymander based upon race.

00:26:02.000 And so, when you have these blue states that have intentionally drawn their lines based upon race, DEI districts, the Justice Department's going to sue them and get those maps thrown out.

00:26:14.000 And so, this is look, it's going to be an uphill fight for Republicans to keep the House, but this could change the momentum significantly.

00:26:25.000 Well, yeah, and there's not a ton, you know, we talked about this with Ryan James Gurdesky yesterday.

00:26:30.000 There's not a There's not as many swing districts as there used to be.

00:26:33.000 So if you look at even between now and 2018, when the Democrats had that big wave election, I'm not sure there's enough seats to kind of replicate that performance.

00:26:44.000 Yeah, we are down right now.

00:26:45.000 There's a lot of time between now and November.

00:26:47.000 And if some of these House seats, Ryan was predicting about at least seven congressional districts will be able to get flipped as a result of this in time for the midterms.

00:26:55.000 I think that's probably right.

00:26:56.000 I looked into it last night.

00:26:57.000 So we'll see what happens.

00:26:59.000 But this is a huge, huge.

00:27:03.000 It's a massive, massive tectonic shift in our politics.

00:27:06.000 What do you think about the legal process that's playing out in Virginia with their redistricting?

00:27:13.000 Do you have any insight on that, Mike?

00:27:14.000 And then, if states like Illinois do these spaghetti noodle maps, is there a legal defense to block that?

00:27:19.000 Yeah, I mean, I think that the Civil Rights Division, the Justice Department under Harmony Dillon should sue.

00:27:24.000 These states should sue.

00:27:26.000 Republicans need to fight and fight very hard to end these DEI districts.

00:27:32.000 Look at New England.

00:27:34.000 Republicans make up like 40% plus of New England.

00:27:37.000 They have zero House seats in New England because they've been gerrymandered off the map.

00:27:43.000 So, Republican governors, Republican legislatures, the DOJ move forward aggressively.

00:27:49.000 And redraw your maps based upon politics and sue on the maps that are based upon race.

00:27:56.000 We haven't talked about the legalities of this, but one of the outstanding questions with the SPLC story is that it seems like the FBI and the DOJ, they've uncovered this $3 million plus scheme to pay informants that were actually the leaders, the organizers of this white supremacy stuff, the KKK, the Aryan Nations, all that stuff, but they haven't charged individuals yet.

00:28:18.000 And I wrote an op ed in Fox and I just said, listen, if.

00:28:22.000 We got to get accountability.

00:28:23.000 Like individuals that greenlit this stuff, I don't care if it's the board or the executives, people have to be held personally accountable for defrauding their donors.

00:28:32.000 First of all, I think that's the easiest claim you could make.

00:28:35.000 But maybe there's other things that they could go after for these executives for.

00:28:39.000 What do you think should happen?

00:28:40.000 What's legally feasible here?

00:28:42.000 I agree.

00:28:43.000 I remember what they did here that the Southern Poverty Law Center was telling its donors that it was fighting the Klan. 0.99

00:28:53.000 When it was secretly funding the Klan, there's no way these little old liberal ladies would be sending their checks to the SPLC if they knew they were funding the Ku Klux Klan and the Aryan nations. 0.94

00:29:08.000 And so you're exactly right, Andrew. 0.79

00:29:10.000 There has to be, and I think there will be, a superseding indictment or an amended indictment where they name the executives and they name other individuals who were involved.

00:29:20.000 This entity didn't commit the crime.

00:29:24.000 On its own, it was done through the people who run the entity.

00:29:27.000 So, that I'd say stay tuned on that.

00:29:30.000 Okay, that's good.

00:29:32.000 Uh, and um, I could I say that your sources have, or do you just want to leave it there?

00:29:38.000 Do you have, look, I think that acting attorney general Todd Blanch is a great American.

00:29:44.000 Uh, he is bold and fearless, and he has a great team.

00:29:49.000 I have full confidence in Todd and his great team at the Justice Department.

00:29:53.000 Fair enough.

00:29:55.000 I'll leave it to the audience to interpret that as they will, but.

00:29:58.000 I couldn't agree more with you, Mike.

00:29:59.000 I think individuals that have defrauded their donors here and really just done a heinous thing, you know, fueling the hate so that they can fundraise off the hate.

00:30:12.000 And, you know, and then the ideological blurring of the lines between Prager U and Turning Point and ADF and putting us on their hate map, putting a target on Charlie's back.

00:30:23.000 You know, it was three months and 19 days after the SBLC put Turning Point on the hate map that Charlie was assassinated.

00:30:29.000 I hope that sinks in for everybody.

00:30:30.000 It was 22 months.

00:30:32.000 After they put the Family Research Council on the hate map, their offices in D.C. got shot up.

00:30:39.000 I want to ask you a question.

00:30:41.000 Have you been following the Manacqua Brewing Company story?

00:30:45.000 The brewery owner in Wisconsin, after the White House correspondence dinner, posted that really obscene post about it was almost free beer day, right?

00:30:56.000 So the idea being if Trump gets assassinated, everybody gets free beer for the day at his brewing company.

00:31:03.000 So he's posted something here and it says, Hi, folks.

00:31:06.000 Owner Kirk here.

00:31:07.000 The Secret Service and FBI have contacted me.

00:31:10.000 I'm speaking with them with my lawyer, Fred, in less than an hour at Manacqua Tap Room.

00:31:16.000 I encourage supporters to come if you can and make sure they don't do anything to me.

00:31:20.000 If you don't hear from me, our socials tonight, something is wrong.

00:31:23.000 I am of sound mind and body.

00:31:25.000 I would disagree with that.

00:31:26.000 And he's also pretty overweight, too much beer.

00:31:28.000 And in no way thinking of harming myself.

00:31:30.000 If you don't hear back from me tonight, don't believe a thing you hear from the federal government.

00:31:34.000 I think this is the front line.

00:31:35.000 I mean, Blake and I are even in the breaks having a discussion about free speech and understanding that in this country we have very established.

00:31:44.000 You know, precedence about what is incitement to violence, right?

00:31:48.000 So, this guy was obviously gleefully enjoying the near assassination of our president again. 0.86

00:31:54.000 That's gross and disgusting, and it must be condemned. 0.86

00:31:57.000 But at what point are we at risk of blurring those lines and infringing upon his right to say gross and vile, disgusting things?

00:32:06.000 Yeah, I mean, people have the first, and I agree with Blake on this, people have the right to say gross and vile and disgusting things.

00:32:13.000 I say them every day on Twitter, as you guys.

00:32:15.000 Paul Reed.

00:32:16.000 By the way, follow Mike Davis on Twitter.

00:32:18.000 It's a good follow.

00:32:19.000 You will be entertained.

00:32:20.000 But the issue is you can't threaten the president's life.

00:32:23.000 You can't.

00:32:24.000 That's where you crossed the line.

00:32:25.000 But that's the question.

00:32:26.000 So he was celebrating.

00:32:29.000 He was going to reward his patrons with free beer should the president be assassinated. 0.56

00:32:35.000 But he, I mean, listen, I find this to all be so gross and dehumanizing.

00:32:40.000 I think you have a righteous indignation and a righteous anger towards this person. 0.98

00:32:44.000 I think he's mentally unwell. 1.00

00:32:45.000 I think he's a total scumbag. 1.00

00:32:48.000 But where is the line? 1.00

00:32:50.000 What becomes incitement, right?

00:32:55.000 What's the legal line here?

00:32:58.000 Yeah, I guess I haven't read this post that carefully, but under the Supreme Court's precedent from a couple years ago, it's called true threats.

00:33:07.000 Meaning, when you make a threat, it has to be a true threat.

00:33:10.000 You have to look at their subjective intent.

00:33:14.000 Did they intend to harm someone with their threat, or is it political?

00:33:20.000 Hyperbole.

00:33:20.000 And that's the line that you look at with James Comey.

00:33:26.000 I guarantee you that grand jury heard evidence that he that was his actual subjective intent to 86 47 to assassinate President Trump.

00:33:36.000 And so it's really case by case.

00:33:38.000 But I would just say this more broadly that here's the bigger problem we have a Democrat party that promotes and celebrates political violence, including assassinations.

00:33:50.000 We saw this, and it's one sided.

00:33:53.000 It's coming from one sided.

00:33:55.000 Republicans have a hell of a lot more guns than Democrats.

00:33:59.000 All of us own guns.

00:34:00.000 We know how to use guns.

00:34:02.000 We're not killing Democrats.

00:34:04.000 It's one sided violence.

00:34:05.000 We saw this with now three assassination attempts against President Trump, an assassination attempt against Steve Scalise, Justice Kavanaugh, Charlie Kirk, our dear friend.

00:34:18.000 I mean, we have an assassination culture in the Democrat Party, and it's unacceptable.

00:34:24.000 Yeah, Luigi Maggioni and Brian Thompson.

00:34:25.000 Here's the actual post.

00:34:26.000 I just want you to see it.

00:34:27.000 It says from Monaco Brewing Company Well, we almost got hashtag free beer day.

00:34:32.000 Either a brother or sister in the resistance needs to work on their marksmanship, or he faked another assassination to get a positive news cycle.

00:34:40.000 We'll never know.

00:34:41.000 Regardless, we stand at the ready to pour free beer the day it happens.

00:34:46.000 That seems to cross the line to me.

00:34:48.000 When you're offering free beer, if someone kills the president, the Secret Service needs to go put this guy in jail.

00:34:57.000 Blake, I know.

00:35:00.000 I feel you.

00:35:01.000 I feel you.

00:35:01.000 I feel the tension.

00:35:03.000 It's genuinely tough, especially with the president, to work on their mark station.

00:35:07.000 Because I think it obviously would be justified if you're literally offering a bounty to commit an assassination.

00:35:13.000 That's an interesting thing.

00:35:14.000 I think that's worth noting. 0.99

00:35:15.000 On the other hand, is I will pour out free beer to celebrate the death of someone I hate while gross and ugly. 0.93

00:35:22.000 Does that really count as it? 0.88

00:35:23.000 I don't know.

00:35:24.000 I'm the president.

00:35:25.000 We always have to be careful about this because we saw with Biden.

00:35:28.000 We know the left very much loves to bring cases like this with a very sinister agenda.

00:35:34.000 And I think it has benefited us a great deal.

00:35:38.000 15 seconds.

00:35:39.000 Let me say this very fast.

00:35:40.000 This debate's exactly the Problem on the right.

00:35:42.000 We're principled and nice, and the other side wants to blow off our heads.

00:35:48.000 Well, if I didn't want to be principled, I could go be a lib.

00:35:52.000 Mike Davis, Article 3 Project.

00:35:53.000 Good to see you, my friend.

00:35:54.000 We'll see you soon.

00:35:55.000 Thank you.

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00:37:20.000 Then you can ask questions live on this show.

00:37:24.000 And I'm excited about that.

00:37:25.000 So, who's up first?

00:37:27.000 I guess we got Anthony.

00:37:28.000 Anthony, welcome back.

00:37:29.000 Tell us your question, sir.

00:37:31.000 Hey, guys.

00:37:32.000 So, it's kind of two questions.

00:37:33.000 The first is Can the president do anything to stop this AI tracking tech that will shut cars off starting in 2027?

00:37:42.000 I know Chip Roy, Thomas Massey, and a few others are trying to get it amended, but for some reason, 50 plus Republicans want it.

00:37:50.000 And I know Biden put it in in 2021.

00:37:53.000 And then, my other question I'll ask real quick so you guys can just answer back to back data centers.

00:37:58.000 They seem to be popping up faster and faster each day and week.

00:38:01.000 Other than being used to store data for AI, what are we going to be using these for?

00:38:05.000 Because they're more of an expense to a local community than they are a revenue generator.

00:38:11.000 You want to take either one?

00:38:12.000 I can talk about either.

00:38:13.000 I could do the data center one first.

00:38:16.000 So, the thing about data centers, I think a lot of people aren't necessarily aware of.

00:38:21.000 Predate AI.

00:38:22.000 A data center is basically a building that just has a ton of computer equipment in one spot.

00:38:27.000 So you think of used to have mainframe rooms decades ago, but our need for computers has gone up exponentially since then.

00:38:36.000 And so everything that you run through the internet, which is all your banking, your purchases, your surfing on Facebook, all those photos you're uploading into the cloud, everyone stores stuff on the cloud, has to go somewhere.

00:38:50.000 And the demands for it are so great that Rather than Google isn't just going to have some room on their campus that does this, they're just going to build entire buildings dedicated to this stuff.

00:39:03.000 And then, what's happened is since AI started to take off, the demands for computational power online have gone up so much that anticipating how successful this is going to be, a lot of companies, Amazon, Google among them, Microsoft, they're building huge numbers of new data centers.

00:39:20.000 And so, it's become this front in the AI fight.

00:39:23.000 But these do exist without AI, and they will continue to exist regardless.

00:39:29.000 I know this is probably going to make me a giant target.

00:39:31.000 I'm relatively pro data center.

00:39:35.000 In the sense that I think AI is going to be something we're going to have to manage, but it's clearly a major new technology that's not going away.

00:39:42.000 And we want the United States to be strong in new technology, want to dominate a new technology.

00:39:47.000 We don't want it to be where we secede from this and then China just eats our lunch on this powerful new tech.

00:39:54.000 And that makes sense.

00:39:56.000 And on top of that, I think I would have to check the numbers, but whether they're a cost center or a revenue generator, I know I was reading in Loudoun County, Virginia, for example, which has a ton of them, they generate property taxes.

00:40:09.000 They don't generate traffic, for example.

00:40:12.000 They're a building that people pay property taxes to operate.

00:40:14.000 They do consume electricity.

00:40:16.000 And I know that that's a concern.

00:40:18.000 They've gone up and they've raised energy prices.

00:40:19.000 Well, the president has now sort of directed them to have to build their own sort of power source or augmented.

00:40:29.000 That's like a stopgap that they're doing.

00:40:31.000 And because it's easier.

00:40:32.000 And what we're really confronting there, that's sad, is it's a lot easier for us to say for a company to build a small, inefficient power plant.

00:40:40.000 On their own thing because they're so desperate to get them up, they're willing to do this.

00:40:44.000 But it would be vastly better if we were just building more normal power plants.

00:40:47.000 Oh, I agree with you.

00:40:48.000 And it's just, we're not able to do this.

00:40:50.000 So I am a child of the West, Western United States.

00:40:54.000 Charlie and I used to disagree on this stuff.

00:40:56.000 Charlie was, I think, more amenable to some of Mike Lee's ideas about seizing a mass amount of federal lands, BLM lands, and putting houses on it.

00:41:06.000 I thought that there would be better ways to do that.

00:41:08.000 Okay.

00:41:09.000 I am, as a child of the West, I actually love conservation.

00:41:12.000 I love open spaces.

00:41:13.000 One of the things I hate most is going through the desert, and you can see it here in Arizona, and seeing these massive fields of solar panels out in the middle of the desert generating.

00:41:24.000 You're starting to see that in New York, too.

00:41:25.000 Yeah, I think it's gross, actually.

00:41:27.000 And I think that same about windmills.

00:41:29.000 I want to see open spaces.

00:41:31.000 And so one of the things that I don't really love is this move to build these giant data centers, these buildings, they're ugly.

00:41:41.000 But I'm like, Blake, I'm pro growth.

00:41:43.000 I want to see us advance and I want to see us lead in this way.

00:41:47.000 And if there's a workaround when it comes to the power source and keeping the rates down for everybody else, I want any solution.

00:41:54.000 So I'm sort of agnostic on the solution.

00:41:55.000 But what I will say, Jack Posobic actually had a great idea.

00:41:58.000 We have a lot of old buildings in this country that are basically dilapidated, already on development.

00:42:03.000 His mall topic he brought up.

00:42:05.000 The mall theory.

00:42:06.000 I actually like that.

00:42:07.000 I don't know if it's workable.

00:42:08.000 So I haven't talked to anybody about it, but I like it directionally, where you use old spaces that have become dilapidated, that have been underutilized.

00:42:16.000 And you break ground there because it's already developed land.

00:42:20.000 You're not going out into the middle of the desert here and building some monstrosity.

00:42:23.000 Another great thing that's pointed out a lot of them just, they're built like ugly modern buildings.

00:42:28.000 And in addition to use old buildings, the reason we want to use old buildings, old buildings are pretty.

00:42:32.000 So we could just say, you can build your data center, but it's got to be art deco.

00:42:35.000 It's got to look like it fell out of the 1920s.

00:42:37.000 Or make it look like a castle.

00:42:39.000 I saw a tweet that suggested it.

00:42:40.000 Make it look like a medieval castle.

00:42:42.000 Or just get distribution.

00:42:45.000 We want to hit the other question as well.

00:42:46.000 So that's about.

00:42:48.000 That's a 2021 law.

00:42:49.000 It's 2021.

00:42:51.000 They call it the kill switch law.

00:42:53.000 It was called the Halt Drunk Driving Act.

00:42:54.000 And I think it was even possibly, it was sort of passed.

00:42:57.000 And the idea was well, in the future, we're going to have more computerized cars, and cars need to include some sort of technology.

00:43:06.000 They were pretty vague about it to detect whether a person trying to start the car is intoxicated on alcohol.

00:43:12.000 And then it would, as it says, kind of be a kill switch.

00:43:15.000 It would prevent them from driving.

00:43:16.000 And the idea is to prevent drunk driving deaths, which is a good thing.

00:43:19.000 Thousands of people get killed by drunk drivers every year.

00:43:22.000 But obviously, there's this freedom dynamic, which we're basically, if we're going to add that tech to a car, what we're basically saying is we want.

00:43:31.000 Tech in your car that is always spying on you can't be deactivated, can be used for infinity other potential uses.

00:43:40.000 And you know, law enforcement and authoritarian government would be eager to do that.

00:43:44.000 Now, whether President Trump can do anything about it, as you said, it is an act of Congress.

00:43:49.000 We know this administration is pretty creative.

00:43:52.000 Honestly, one thing that comes to mind that I wouldn't be surprised if they came out, if they took a page out of a Democrat playbook and said, well, we can't repeal this law, but we can just announce right now we'll never enforce it.

00:44:02.000 Yeah.

00:44:03.000 And that would be a way to go about it.

00:44:04.000 That's another slippery slope.

00:44:05.000 I don't like it.

00:44:06.000 I don't like that, but that is an option I could see this administration doing.

00:44:10.000 Or they find creative ways to litigate it, or it could get stayed in the courts.

00:44:15.000 They could say, another strategy they could do is they could invite someone to sue over it and say, we actually believe this law was an unconstitutional invasion of privacy, and we're not going to defend it.

00:44:26.000 Try to intentionally lose.

00:44:28.000 I've seen some people online attack this law because basically you could envision a situation where somebody's out in the Field, they get injured.

00:44:35.000 Maybe they're a farmer or a construction worker.

00:44:38.000 They get injured, they drag themselves into their car, but the car detects them in their injured state with maybe dilated pupils, whatever.

00:44:46.000 It will not turn on, even though they're trying to drive themselves to safety.

00:44:50.000 So that could be a realistic way to combat this law because it could get in the way of law abiding citizens that are just trying to get to the hospital.

00:44:57.000 There's so many ways it could end up being annoying or obnoxious.

00:45:00.000 And another thing I would say a reason to delay this is this is a huge intrusion on privacy when we know looking around that we're.

00:45:10.000 What, maybe five years away from everyone being able to afford a car that just drives itself everywhere, and that's going to be vastly safer.

00:45:17.000 And then we could just say, we don't even need to ban driving your own car, but we could just massively increase the penalties for drunk driving because we'll be able to say it's super easy.

00:45:24.000 Every car made these days drives itself.

00:45:27.000 You have no excuse for ever driving intoxicated.

00:45:31.000 I think that would be a reasonable way through this.

00:45:33.000 Just wait for technology to overtake us on this question.

00:45:36.000 Yeah, but in general, we are very, very leery of it and want to see it get.

00:45:40.000 Stricken from the.

00:45:42.000 Because I'm actually looking at the bio.

00:45:43.000 It's an act of Congress, so it's going to be tricky.

00:45:45.000 And I don't think we should just ignore the laws, actually.

00:45:48.000 So, anyways, next question up.

00:45:49.000 Who do we got next? 0.97

00:45:51.000 Elizabeth?

00:45:52.000 Yes.

00:45:53.000 Hi, Andrew.

00:45:54.000 Hi.

00:45:54.000 Welcome to the show, Elizabeth.

00:45:55.000 Hi, Blake.

00:45:56.000 Hi, thank you for having me.

00:45:58.000 Quick idea. 0.91

00:45:59.000 Can someone please sell a hashtag Team Erica shirt, Pray the Demons Away?

00:46:04.000 I'd buy 10.

00:46:06.000 It's food for thought.

00:46:07.000 Food for thought.

00:46:08.000 Yes, exactly.

00:46:09.000 Hashtag Pray for Erica.

00:46:11.000 Is that what she said? 0.87

00:46:12.000 Team Erica, pray the demons away.

00:46:14.000 Oh, I like that even better.

00:46:15.000 A lot of demons out there. 0.99

00:46:16.000 Yeah, well, and there's a lot of Team Erica.

00:46:18.000 We've just been, our inbox has been in and out of everybody.

00:46:20.000 Yeah, we get a lot.

00:46:21.000 And we appreciate emails to that effect.

00:46:24.000 We forward them on to Erica quite often.

00:46:27.000 She applies to them quite often.

00:46:28.000 No, yeah, listen, she's doing great.

00:46:30.000 I think this week was super helpful.

00:46:33.000 I mean, I don't want to put words in her mouth, but I would just say she's laser focused.

00:46:36.000 I feel like there was something.

00:46:38.000 I was in the room at the White House Correspondence Dinner as well.

00:46:41.000 And I will tell you, when you are hiding under a table and you could feel the Secret Service.

00:46:46.000 Like rushing.

00:46:47.000 I mean, the first thing I noticed, Elizabeth, was I looked to the back of the room, which was to my right, and I saw a chair flying in the air.

00:46:56.000 And it was a Secret Service guy that couldn't get through.

00:46:58.000 So he just took the chair and flung it somewhere.

00:47:00.000 Hopefully, he didn't hit somebody with it.

00:47:02.000 But you could tell something really intense was happening.

00:47:05.000 It was very scary.

00:47:06.000 Yeah.

00:47:07.000 And I hit under the table for.

00:47:09.000 Yeah. 0.90

00:47:10.000 I hit under the table going, Did somebody just kill the president?

00:47:15.000 I had no idea.

00:47:16.000 Nobody in that room knew what was going on.

00:47:18.000 There was no service.

00:47:19.000 We couldn't, like, check our feeds really.

00:47:21.000 We just had no idea.

00:47:22.000 And then so we look.

00:47:24.000 There's, you know, people rushing.

00:47:26.000 There was a Secret Service guy who put his boot on my.

00:47:29.000 Chair as I was hiding under the table, as he was getting around our table.

00:47:33.000 So it was a really like, I will tell you, if you say that again, intense.

00:47:39.000 Yeah, no, exactly.

00:47:39.000 It was super intense.

00:47:40.000 And I mean, I'm not saying here I'm traumatized by it or anything like that.

00:47:43.000 Like, listen, it was a short moment.

00:47:46.000 I got over it pretty quickly, kind of gathered myself.

00:47:49.000 It took a few minutes, but you know, I went over to go see where Erica was, and thankfully she'd already been moved to a safer spot.

00:47:56.000 But like, I will tell you, it's very, it's a very clarifying moment.

00:47:59.000 It's a very focusing moment when you live through that.

00:48:02.000 And I think, listen, there's just so many takeaways.

00:48:05.000 And I think she did a great job saying dehumanization leads to a point where eventually you can logically convince yourself that your ideological opponents don't deserve to exist.

00:48:14.000 And we want to get away from that as a country.

00:48:16.000 I think it's great that she's taken time this week to kind of just focus and just reflect.

00:48:22.000 It's really powerful when you do that, when you have time to just be and think and think clearly.

00:48:27.000 And again, I don't want to put words in her mouth, but that's my takeaway from this week.

00:48:32.000 Enough is enough.

00:48:33.000 What was your question, though, as I'm.

00:48:35.000 Waxing my original question.

00:48:36.000 I apologize.

00:48:37.000 Whenever I call, I always digress before I begin.

00:48:39.000 I apologize.

00:48:40.000 So, I live in New York State, and in 2022, there was a redistricting lawsuit, and it happened after the original primaries.

00:48:40.000 Don't worry.

00:48:48.000 So, they actually had to do a second primary.

00:48:52.000 Now, anything that was statewide, senator, governor, you know what I'm saying, that didn't have to be redone, but they had to do all the primaries over again for all the congressional seats.

00:49:03.000 And so, this excuse out of Georgia, oh, we're already started our elections.

00:49:08.000 What are we going to do?

00:49:10.000 They can just redo the congressional districts and do the congressional primaries.

00:49:16.000 We have a case study where it's already been done in New York State.

00:49:19.000 Who do you guys know?

00:49:20.000 Well, and Louisiana is already moved to basically do just that.

00:49:24.000 So I think it's going to depend on the states, but I'm with you, Elizabeth.

00:49:27.000 I think you just got to break glass sometimes.

00:49:29.000 You got to say, hey, where there's a will, there's a way.

00:49:31.000 Let's get this done.

00:49:32.000 But it's going to be state by state because not all these guys have a backbone.

00:49:35.000 I mean, let's just be clear.

00:49:36.000 Blake, do you have the details on that New York?

00:49:39.000 I'm looking into it right now.

00:49:41.000 It's annoying because this is actually.

00:49:43.000 Going back to the data center thing, I'm having to look up on AI because it's a pain to Google for these things.

00:49:48.000 I'm trying to find like New York redistricting, redo, and it just gives me all this stuff about this year.

00:49:53.000 And I don't want that. 0.99

00:49:54.000 So I have to go on to the stupid thing. 0.99

00:49:56.000 I mean, in general, I would say that where there's a political will, there's usually a way. 0.99

00:50:00.000 And these things will end up getting challenged in courts.

00:50:02.000 So then you need to be prepared to fight it.

00:50:04.000 This is why so much doesn't get done in our culture.

00:50:06.000 Just, you know, as we sort of reflect on some of the things that have declined in our country, a lot of it is because everything's litigated, everything's overly litigated.

00:50:15.000 Litigated.

00:50:15.000 Everything's challenged in courts.

00:50:17.000 That has now become strategy number one is that before you move or act, you just have to appreciate the fact that you're going to be drawn into a court situation, right?

00:50:26.000 Into a legal fight.

00:50:28.000 And that can work in our favor, can work against us.

00:50:30.000 But I think as a whole, as Americans, we're just not able to get as much stuff done because we're constantly litigating everything.

00:50:35.000 Yeah, no, the litigation question is a real one.

00:50:38.000 You think about, I think a lot about everything the Trump administration, we were saying, one of the reasons this administration has been better than the first one is they did so much stuff on day one, all those executive orders.

00:50:49.000 Because we knew so much of the best stuff immediately blocked by some Hawaii judge.

00:50:54.000 Oh, got to spend a year, two years worming up to the Supreme Court.

00:50:58.000 And the Supreme Court goes, Yeah, the administration is obviously correct.

00:51:01.000 They're allowed to do this.

00:51:02.000 But it took two years.

00:51:03.000 And there was so much great stuff the administration did the first time around that only came out in 2019, 2020, wasn't even in effect by the time there was a change of power.

00:51:13.000 So it's much harder to undo a policy if it's in place.

00:51:17.000 And the way you do that is by doing it early.

00:51:19.000 And that's a little off topic from that.

00:51:20.000 But yeah, we agree.

00:51:22.000 If it requires messing with your primary, I'm looking, it looks like with New York, The result I'm getting is they delayed the primary by two months.

00:51:30.000 I'm not sure if they re ran it, but they might be mixed up about that, like I said.

00:51:34.000 But you had to vote in two primaries that year.

00:51:36.000 That sounds very funny, I must say.

00:51:39.000 By the way, just Louisiana will delay House primaries after Supreme Court redistricting rulings.

00:51:44.000 Which I would just say we should do anyway.

00:51:47.000 I think one of the silliest things in America is when we have primaries in March or May or June.

00:51:53.000 We should just have primaries in late August.

00:51:55.000 We should have a shorter election season.

00:51:56.000 I think it would be better for America if we spent.

00:52:00.000 Less time running for office.

00:52:04.000 Because think about how annoying it is that anything this Republican Congress was going to do and it wasn't much, they had to do in the first year.

00:52:09.000 Now it's re election season.

00:52:11.000 Everyone's distracted.

00:52:12.000 Shorter election seasons mean more time either governing or better yet, just more time not doing politics because the best things in life are not politics.

00:52:22.000 Yeah, and that's interesting because absentee voting for the May 16th primary in Louisiana is already underway.

00:52:27.000 Early voting had been set to start for all races this weekend.

00:52:31.000 So it was a last minute move, but it can be done.

00:52:33.000 That's the takeaway.

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00:54:02.000 All right, we've got David Nurse, a nurse named David.

00:54:06.000 I'm not sure.

00:54:07.000 Excuse me.

00:54:08.000 David, welcome to the show.

00:54:09.000 Tell us your question.

00:54:11.000 My question is very simple.

00:54:15.000 I just heard you talk to Mike Davis about the gentleman who was threatening the president.

00:54:24.000 Oh, yeah, the Minakwa Brewing guy.

00:54:26.000 Yeah, from Wisconsin.

00:54:28.000 Right.

00:54:29.000 And we're in California, and we still have that's my question. 1.00

00:54:35.000 We still have men in women's sports or men replacing. 1.00

00:54:44.000 In the girls' high school division.

00:54:46.000 And, you know, what can we do to fix that?

00:54:49.000 Because we're talking about it, but it ain't nothing happening.

00:54:54.000 Blake, you want to?

00:54:55.000 Well, I mean, it's very tough if you're in California because our best venue for acting is at the state level.

00:55:01.000 Nevertheless, the Trump administration has been making efforts in this direction.

00:55:06.000 They've put certainly a lot of pressure on, justly so. 0.97

00:55:09.000 I think they put the most pressure on, like, hospitals that are, like, transing kids and stuff. 0.95

00:55:16.000 But they've also embraced the no men and women's sports agenda.

00:55:19.000 I know there's executive orders to that effect.

00:55:21.000 They run into various.

00:55:23.000 A lot of legal fights.

00:55:25.000 But these guys, our people in charge are not listening because this guy, who's we're getting ready to go into the CIF prelims, and he's beating, we're going to the meet next week.

00:55:45.000 He's still beating girls out, and girls are still getting replaced.

00:55:49.000 Go ahead.

00:55:50.000 I'm sorry.

00:55:51.000 No, no, no.

00:55:51.000 So I'm just reminded as you're talking here, David, there was a March 2025 letter.

00:55:56.000 From U.S. Education Secretary Linda McMahon, and she sent it to Governor Gavin Newsom, urging him to take action against the participation of transgender athletes in girls and women's sports, referencing his own recent comments to Charlie in that podcast when he referred to it as deeply unfair.

00:56:14.000 The letter followed a period of the federal government ramped up pressure in California.

00:56:18.000 So they basically have threatened funding for the CIF and California Department of Education grants.

00:56:27.000 Via Title IX, because they're allowing transgender girls to compete, transgender people that are boys compete in girls' sports. 0.86

00:56:36.000 The federal officials gave California a 10 day deadline to comply with requirements, including banning trans athletes and redefining sex based on biology. 0.84

00:56:44.000 California responded.

00:56:45.000 California officials rejected the demand with the state superintendent Tony Thurmond urging districts to resist, and Attorney General Rob Bonta filing a pre enforcement lawsuit against the DOJ.

00:56:55.000 So it's basically an ongoing litigated decision.

00:56:57.000 So, yeah, I was checking on that.

00:56:59.000 Yeah.

00:56:59.000 So they're suing them under Title IX.

00:57:01.000 Title IX is an old federal law that says you can't have sex discrimination in government funded education.

00:57:09.000 I don't think they anticipated what they were uncorking when they did that because I think that was just intended.

00:57:15.000 Oh, you can't be discriminatory between men and women.

00:57:18.000 Now that's turned into transgender in sports.

00:57:21.000 The Biden administration tried to use it the other way, where they said it would violate Title IX if you didn't let men join women's sports teams.

00:57:28.000 Very fascinating stuff, but we're using it towards a certainly more Justifiable goal right now.

00:57:34.000 We'll hope that it triumphs in court.

00:57:35.000 We have a relatively friendly Supreme Court, but we're getting back to what we were discussing in the last segment, which is the annoying fact that really, regardless of what the law says, regardless of how clear the policy is, everything needs to practically go up to the Supreme Court before you can get anything done.

00:57:50.000 And I think they should probably just go ahead and pull the funding, to be honest.

00:57:53.000 So, and then they'll sue about that too. 0.96

00:57:56.000 But that's how you ratchet up the pressure, is you just say, well, listen, while it's, you know, this is getting litigated, whether or not we have a right to tell you to stop putting trans. 0.55

00:58:04.000 You know, athletes in women's sports, we're just going to pull the funding anyways. 0.56

00:58:08.000 It'd be very enjoyable if the Trump administration just said, you know, given your pattern of willful defiance on this and on immigration, we're going to yoink all of your education funding elementary schools, high schools, colleges, the whole shebang.

00:58:22.000 That would cause a very dramatic crisis in the state of California, which is a tumor constantly devouring federal funds for fraudulent purposes.

00:58:31.000 Yeah, I mean, there's just so many instances of bad actors.

00:58:35.000 Getting away with so much in California.

00:58:37.000 Chris Rufo has been doing some great investigative journalism.

00:58:40.000 Our front lines team has uncovered a bunch of it from the hospice care situations that we found in Los Angeles to the trans athlete stuff.

00:58:50.000 But there's just so much runaway spending in California that now they're trying to do this wealth tax, by the way, which is obscene.

00:58:58.000 And by the way, Elon Musk has been making this point where every tax that's ever been proposed to just get the rich eventually gets everybody.

00:59:07.000 So you're on a slippery slope in California in that way, too.

00:59:10.000 But this is being litigated.

00:59:12.000 David, that's the answer to your question.

00:59:14.000 And We're going to see where it goes.

00:59:16.000 I might send a note or two to say, you know, what can we do to ramp up pressure?

00:59:19.000 Because I think this is a fight that's worth fighting.

00:59:22.000 Thanks for your question, David.

00:59:23.000 Who do we got next, Blake?

00:59:25.000 I believe we have Mick, and it's a question that they want us to read.

00:59:28.000 Okay.

00:59:29.000 So we'll do this.

00:59:30.000 Mick says, I am frankly disappointed with the talking points that came up after Trump was almost assassinated this past weekend.

00:59:38.000 I don't understand why build the ballroom was the main line when it should have been we are going to arrest people who make.

00:59:46.000 Any threats of any kind to anyone based on their beliefs.

00:59:50.000 I understand we have people who we can't alienate with super strong rhetoric.

00:59:55.000 So, how do we effectively communicate that violence will be dealt with while not alienating too many people?

01:00:02.000 You know, I find it interesting about your question, Mick, that you think that build the ballroom was the main talking point.

01:00:08.000 It's interesting because that went viral on social media because the allegation was that there was some group chat or people were paid to do that.

01:00:15.000 I was one of those people that.

01:00:17.000 Posted that.

01:00:18.000 And my story is way less cool than that.

01:00:20.000 Nobody paid me for that.

01:00:21.000 It was Danny texted it to me.

01:00:24.000 He's like, man, I wish we had the ballroom.

01:00:26.000 And I was like, you know, I'm going to tweak it.

01:00:27.000 It was a natural response.

01:00:28.000 I think it, but that was a big response.

01:00:30.000 We saw Congress did immediately introduce a bill to pay for the ballroom.

01:00:33.000 Which I think is the wrong response.

01:00:34.000 I think we should keep it privately funded.

01:00:36.000 I think that's a better move, yes.

01:00:38.000 I think we should call it the Charles J. Kirk ballroom.

01:00:42.000 That's what I think.

01:00:42.000 I think a way you could do it is just the fact that it hasn't, they argue that it hasn't been approved or endorsed, it would be good for them to.

01:00:49.000 Approve it and maybe they could pro forma offer money unless private funding offsets it.

01:00:53.000 And then you can handle it.

01:00:55.000 But I don't think that should be the main talking point either.

01:00:57.000 And I think it became maybe that in your mind because people thought it was a paid for post.

01:01:02.000 It wasn't a paid, it was just an illogical thing that I think a lot of people came to on their own.

01:01:07.000 Or maybe they, you know, Blake's, or was this yours?

01:01:10.000 Or I think I can't remember who told me this, but somebody was like, well, somebody said it on Fox News that night.

01:01:15.000 And I bet like a lot of people were just watching Fox News and posted it, you know, watching the breaking news unfold.

01:01:21.000 And they were like, that's a good idea.

01:01:22.000 I'm going to tweet it.

01:01:22.000 But setting aside, so we have to, the line, we're going to arrest people who make any threats of any kind.

01:01:29.000 I think that should be something we're alert to.

01:01:31.000 We should be.

01:01:32.000 I think you've seen this in Manakwa.

01:01:33.000 Yeah, we've seen this.

01:01:34.000 Now, we do want to be careful because we were just debating it a bit with Mike Davis.

01:01:39.000 What qualifies as a threat?

01:01:42.000 I think we should be careful about expanding that aggressively because it will be used against us.

01:01:48.000 It will be used against us.

01:01:48.000 And also, I strongly favor preserving a very robust free speech culture, which means.

01:01:55.000 One has to have a tolerance for a lot of stupid stuff. 0.99

01:01:57.000 But you are correct. 1.00

01:01:59.000 We should have very low tolerance for actual violence.

01:02:02.000 And that is where I would really like to see things ramped up.

01:02:04.000 We're very supportive of the charges brought against that family that assaulted Savannah Hernandez, for example.

01:02:10.000 The Trusco family.

01:02:11.000 People who think that it's fun and games to bash someone in the face at a protest, shove them, rip up their stuff on campus.

01:02:20.000 When you're doing heckler's veto type activities, when you're doing riots, for example, that shut down that Charlie event.

01:02:28.000 At the University of New Mexico.

01:02:30.000 Things like that should be met with more force, in my opinion, as frankly, the price to make sure that speech can be protected.

01:02:38.000 We want to prevent the blurring of lines of violence and speech.

01:02:42.000 And one of the easiest ways to do that is to make sure that low level politically motivated violence, just bam, you stamp that out really aggressively because that is not acceptable.

01:02:52.000 Yeah, that's why I'm so supportive of what, to Blake's point, what happened in Minneapolis with the Ostrusko family, that they're attacking a journalist who's just trying to get B roll for a video.

01:03:01.000 So, really important that you make a very loud noise as well when you arrest these people or when you prosecute them because it's one thing to arrest them, it's one thing.

01:03:11.000 Another thing, if nobody knows that it happened.

01:03:13.000 So, part of the job is on us to say, hey, this person was threatening the president.

01:03:16.000 They have been arrested.

01:03:17.000 And they're going to go to jail for a very long time.

01:03:20.000 It's not going to go well for them.

01:03:21.000 Okay.

01:03:23.000 Anyways, because there's a lot of stories.

01:03:25.000 People forget that there was a Molotov cocktail dude that went into Mar a Lago when Trump wasn't at Mar a Lago.

01:03:31.000 Like, these kind of stories happen, and we don't even remember them.

01:03:37.000 Did you have something else to add?

01:03:38.000 Sorry.

01:03:38.000 I think I.

01:03:40.000 Oh, this is Mick.

01:03:40.000 Never mind.

01:03:41.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:03:41.000 We're not even talking about it.

01:03:42.000 It was really good.

01:03:43.000 Yeah.

01:03:43.000 So, we're going to get to the next question in the next segment.

01:03:45.000 We're running low on time here.

01:03:47.000 But, yeah, the ballroom is just an aside.

01:03:50.000 It was a footnote in that.

01:03:51.000 Bernadette, you're up next.

01:03:52.000 Please unmute yourself.

01:03:54.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

01:03:55.000 Can you hear me?

01:03:56.000 Yes, I can.

01:03:58.000 How are you guys?

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01:04:16.000 I went to his fundraiser.

01:04:18.000 The man's amazing.

01:04:19.000 He's got a great plan.

01:04:20.000 He wants to end sanctuary states, you know, cities, right, immediately, slash utility costs, aggressive tax cuts across the board.

01:04:30.000 Did a great job in Nassau County.

01:04:32.000 I have a lot of the Turning Point Chapter kids that are going to go and do some campaigning.

01:04:36.000 Great.

01:04:36.000 So it can hit the areas, you know, like upstate New York, some of the weaker areas.

01:04:41.000 Kind of mentioned it to Tyler.

01:04:43.000 I think that this candidate is a great candidate. 0.65

01:04:47.000 A great option for us against Kathy Hochul.

01:04:49.000 I would love if you guys could get him.

01:04:51.000 He would love to come on the show.

01:04:54.000 I'd put him on.

01:04:55.000 Yeah, we should look into that.

01:04:56.000 I did tell Tyler, and Tyler said he was going to get the number.

01:05:00.000 I know he's busy because he's building the Red Wall.

01:05:03.000 So we need to build the Red Wall in New York and stop some of these horrible, huge taxes we have in Nassau and Suffolk County.

01:05:12.000 He wants to expand the law and order immediately, increase the funding in our local police departments.

01:05:19.000 Very concentrated on keeping our neighborhoods safe, like he did in Nassau County.

01:05:24.000 He turned Nassau County around.

01:05:27.000 I mean, we're pretty safe out here in Suffolk and we won't let it go bad, but he did do a great job.

01:05:32.000 And he's really, really very interested in coming and talking to you guys.

01:05:36.000 So I can send you an email, Blake, and you know how you love reading my emails.

01:05:42.000 So I did send you one, and I'll send you the contact for his campaign guys.

01:05:47.000 And he would love to get on there and tell everybody about what he's going to do to save us in New York.

01:05:52.000 What do you think?

01:05:53.000 Well, I would love to talk to him.

01:05:54.000 I'd love to profile his campaign.

01:05:57.000 It sounds like he has a lot of good ideas, and we would love to see better governance in New York, which it's worth noting.

01:06:03.000 They've had a Republican governor within the past 20 years.

01:06:06.000 Yeah, so it was an internal GOP poll from March that had him down by nine.

01:06:11.000 The public polling shows him down by 13.

01:06:13.000 And you've got to remember Lee Zeldin ran a heck of a campaign.

01:06:16.000 Lee Zeldin was at the same numbers.

01:06:17.000 Lee Zeldin, yeah, Lee Zeldin lost by, it looks like, 6.4 points, and he actually ran a great campaign.

01:06:23.000 That's the thing.

01:06:24.000 So what's unfortunate here.

01:06:26.000 Always makes it tough.

01:06:27.000 Is there's kind of this idea you could use to describe a lot of Democrat politics, which is they've horribly messed up their states and they've taken it to the point where they have really driven a lot of people out.

01:06:40.000 And the people they drive out are the ones most inclined to vote them out.

01:06:43.000 And it's politically advantageous for them to do so.

01:06:45.000 They're still at the top of the pile.

01:06:48.000 Even if they're making the state worse off, it's great to be on top of the state. 0.72

01:06:52.000 And you can look at the domestic migration stats.

01:06:55.000 I always like to look at those because that's the best proof we have that the blue state model has failed. 0.63

01:07:01.000 What's Americans who, when they move, they move to red states, they're moving to Texas, they're moving to Florida, Tennessee, everywhere in the South is gaining people from the rest of the country.

01:07:10.000 But California is shedding hundreds of thousands of people like per year on average, in terms of the and New York is right behind them.

01:07:19.000 And New York is right behind them.

01:07:20.000 I think New York, they're having their population, I think, decline year to year now because international migration has gone down. 1.00

01:07:26.000 And that was their system, that was the Mamdaniification of New York, is let's drive out. 1.00

01:07:32.000 Tens of thousands of native New Yorkers. 1.00

01:07:34.000 They're off moving to Florida.

01:07:36.000 They're off moving to Texas. 0.85

01:07:37.000 And they're replacing them with Mamdani's who either can't vote or when they get the ability to vote, they're voting lockstep Democrat. 0.90

01:07:45.000 They're third world Marxist. 0.98

01:07:48.000 They're actively fine with just ripping the state apart.

01:07:51.000 It's great for them.

01:07:52.000 And it just does make it harder and harder for us to win.

01:07:56.000 I don't know that Rudy Giuliani could have won his mayoral elections in today's New York.

01:08:01.000 And I don't know if Pataki could have won his elections in today's New York.

01:08:04.000 So we're very optimistic for Blakeman.

01:08:06.000 But it is a big hill to climb.

01:08:09.000 Well, I think also, like I said, having the, I do, we have about 50 of your chapter leaders.

01:08:14.000 We are going to meet with him in campaign headquarters in two weeks, and we're going to take on those areas that really don't know him, that can benefit him or not.

01:08:24.000 So we're going to go up to like upstate New York, upstate where these people are just going to vote Democrat because that's all they know, and try to push his 100 day plan, ending the sanctuary cities, slashing the utility costs, aggressive tax cuts like he did in Nassau County.

01:08:39.000 One of the richest counties, I might add, expanding the law and order and going against all of the things that are making everybody unsafe, poor, and dangerous.

01:08:49.000 Especially the utility bill.

01:08:51.000 $2.4 billion.

01:08:53.000 Yeah, I mean, all of this stuff.

01:08:54.000 Yeah, you're going through the laundry list of bad Democrat governance, and we totally agree.

01:08:59.000 Can you send it to our team?

01:09:01.000 I absolutely do.

01:09:03.000 I have it.

01:09:04.000 Yeah, I'll reach out to him.

01:09:05.000 We'll get him on the show.

01:09:06.000 I absolutely agree with this.

01:09:09.000 Charlie used to do this as well.

01:09:10.000 We keep talking about California, we keep talking about New York.

01:09:14.000 Because there will come a day, and I really believe this, where we will reclaim those two states.

01:09:19.000 I don't think we're taking California.

01:09:21.000 Absolutely.

01:09:21.000 We'll talk about it and we'll fight.

01:09:23.000 Yeah.

01:09:23.000 All right.

01:09:23.000 So thank you for your call.

01:09:25.000 Send us his contact.

01:09:26.000 We'll get him back on.

01:09:28.000 All right.

01:09:28.000 I already sent it to Tyler.

01:09:29.000 And I'll send it to Tyler.

01:09:30.000 Send it to our chat.

01:09:31.000 Have a great day.

01:09:32.000 Thank you.

01:09:32.000 God bless you.

01:09:35.000 Blake, we have a final question.

01:09:36.000 We have a final question.

01:09:36.000 This is from Pete, and it's another one we have to read.

01:09:39.000 He says Speaking of fighting things with more force, as you guys just mentioned regarding free speech, it's good that you finally showed a bit of fight.

01:09:48.000 This week, with respect to drum roll, Candace Owens.

01:09:54.000 This is exactly what Charlie would have done.

01:09:57.000 He wouldn't have sat back and let her set the agenda in her attempts to destroy Turning Point USA and to destroy Erica.

01:10:04.000 He would expose her for exactly what she is.

01:10:06.000 You need to dismantle her fake claims like they do on Paramount Tactical and speak more about their falling out. 0.68

01:10:14.000 When are you going to take the fight up to her?

01:10:16.000 So he's talking about, you know, Erica's speech.

01:10:20.000 That she gave on Wednesday, and where she said that she's been accused of killing her husband by killing her husband.

01:10:25.000 Which she has.

01:10:26.000 There's been some fake nonsense where people say she's never been accused of that.

01:10:30.000 Bogus.

01:10:31.000 I've had to watch far too much stuff about this where if they're saying Erica should be arrested, that if this evidence was against anyone else, they would be on trial, which has been said.

01:10:43.000 If they're saying she's part of a conspiracy, they are saying that she did it, period.

01:10:47.000 And I'm not going to accept any nonsense saying otherwise.

01:10:51.000 Correct.

01:10:51.000 Yeah.

01:10:52.000 And so I posted a screen grab where.

01:10:57.000 You know, Candace was talking with a former employee of mine and saying, you know, my first question ahead of the December 15th meeting that they had in Nashville is going to be, why did you murder your husband?

01:11:08.000 So I posted that.

01:11:09.000 And I think that's what Pete is referring to.

01:11:12.000 Yeah, I mean, listen, I think that there is some truth to that.

01:11:15.000 And, you know, where the line really gets for me is if you're going to come for Erica Kirk, you're going to start having to go through me, Blake, and the rest of us because I'm sick of it.

01:11:24.000 And I'm sick of Charlie's widow getting attacked senselessly.

01:11:28.000 And, That's it.

01:11:29.000 I'm sick. 0.89

01:11:30.000 I'm sick of people. 0.99

01:11:31.000 A ton of these people trash Charlie right up to the point of his death. 0.99

01:11:35.000 And then I'm sick of people who are trafficking in lies and presenting themselves as his best friend when they hate his organization, hate his wife, hate the people around him, hate what he fought for, hate the Jews, hate everyone.

01:11:47.000 And they come out and they just deal in lies and manipulation because they think that'll make them rich and get clicks.

01:11:57.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.

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