The Charlie Kirk Show - Should We Impeach Joe Biden? With Matt Gaetz

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:00.000 A new idea that I have about impeaching the administrative state.

00:00:05.000 People say, Charlie, if we take back Congress, should we impeach Joe Biden?

00:00:11.000 I'm not so sure about that, actually.

00:00:13.000 And I'll tell you why.

00:00:14.000 The fourth branch of government is in desperate need of a check in a balance.

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00:01:49.000 There is a new way where they try to destroy people, not just by indicting them, not just by raiding their homes, but by leaking, I think it should be illegal from the Department of Justice rumors that destroy somebody's reputation, that creates this mire of guilt.

00:02:07.000 They tried to do this to the great Matt Gates over the last year and a half to try to take him off the playing field and put him on the sidelines.

00:02:15.000 And now prosecutors are recommending no charges against Matt Gates after they smeared and slandered his character under some of the most, let's just say, breathtaking allegations of which obviously there is zero evidence whatsoever to support.

00:02:29.000 They try to destroy his career, try to destroy his reputation, try to destroy his name.

00:02:34.000 I'm very proud at Turning Point USA.

00:02:36.000 We did not give into this.

00:02:37.000 He spoke at our events throughout this.

00:02:39.000 He came on our program throughout all of this.

00:02:41.000 And not everyone will be able to say the same.

00:02:43.000 And he joins us right now, hopefully for a victory lap.

00:02:46.000 Congressman Matt Gates is here.

00:02:48.000 Matt, welcome back to the program.

00:02:50.000 Thanks for having me, Charlie.

00:02:52.000 The Washington Post report was not a big surprise to me because I know the things I've done and the things I haven't, but it was certainly welcome news.

00:03:00.000 And I think back to when a CNN director was caught by Project Veritas on a recording saying that they knew they were propagandizing my life, but they were purposefully running baseless allegations against me over and over because I'm effective.

00:03:18.000 They admitted it.

00:03:19.000 They admitted that my work in Congress, the tough questions I ask Biden administration officials, the legislation that I support, that's the reason they came for me.

00:03:28.000 And I'm glad to be on the other side of it working hard for the good folks in my district.

00:03:32.000 And so, Matt, just for a second, and I know you have to be careful the way you talk about some of this stuff, and your lawyers, I'm sure, are prepping you.

00:03:32.000 Yeah.

00:03:38.000 And I totally respect and appreciate that, and I support it.

00:03:41.000 But can you talk a little bit?

00:03:42.000 Because you did make a decision when these leaks happened and the smear campaign, you know, continued against or started against you.

00:03:50.000 You decided to be public, to do events.

00:03:52.000 You decided to not just retreat and resign, but to almost lean in and do things publicly and to continue your work.

00:04:02.000 Can you talk about that calculus you made?

00:04:05.000 I learned it from President Trump.

00:04:07.000 I learned that you don't let the process be the punishment.

00:04:11.000 They tried everything they could to get President Trump off his game with abject lies, lies that were told by the FBI, that were cycled through a series of authorized leaks to the mainstream media and then aggregated and repeated breathlessly.

00:04:28.000 And he continued to focus on what the American people needed.

00:04:31.000 And so I really took a lot of comfort in observing his approach to that.

00:04:37.000 And look, I mean, I did hear all the talking heads on MSNBC and elsewhere say, Matt Gates is crazy.

00:04:43.000 Why is he out in public denying these things and talking about these things?

00:04:48.000 Any smart lawyer would tell him to go hide under his bed and never come out.

00:04:52.000 And frankly, that's just not the way innocent people behave.

00:04:55.000 If you didn't do something and people are accusing you of it, I wanted to be out in front of the country answering questions.

00:05:01.000 I came on your program.

00:05:02.000 We had no script, no rules.

00:05:04.000 I said, Charlie, ask me anything you want to ask me, and I am going to lay out the truth.

00:05:09.000 And I'm glad that even though, like, when I told the country that there were people trying to use lies to shake down my family for $25 million, now that probably sounded bizarre.

00:05:19.000 That has been proven by a jury of the peers that there was a blackmail operation against your family.

00:05:24.000 That's legit.

00:05:25.000 Yes.

00:05:26.000 And there is someone who has been sentenced to prison for five years for trying to use this web of lies to try to extract money from my family.

00:05:34.000 So each and every day, the things that I said from the beginning were borne out to be true.

00:05:40.000 And a lot of the media smears and rumors have been debunked.

00:05:43.000 I just want to just dwell on this for a second for our audience.

00:05:46.000 So here's some context.

00:05:48.000 Matt Gates in the calendar year 2020 probably did 100 events, 300 cable news hits, very viral on social media, very articulate, drove the media nuts, was able to defend the MAGA agenda, was able to build the base, was able to be a fresh face and a young name, you know, a younger kind of voice.

00:06:08.000 The media saw that as a threat in Congress and they wanted to torpedo it.

00:06:12.000 Not just the media, the Unit Party.

00:06:14.000 I think both parties were involved in this because Matt Gates spoke out against foreign wars.

00:06:19.000 Matt Gates spoke out against the intelligence agency.

00:06:21.000 Matt Gates talked about all these different things that you're not supposed to talk about.

00:06:25.000 So then the Department of Justice needed to do what they do, which is try to take people off the chessboard.

00:06:30.000 If they can't debate you, if they can't dialogue with you, if they can't leak things, then they're going to try to go through character assassination.

00:06:36.000 They're going to go through character assassination via the Justice Department.

00:06:40.000 So the evidence was never there, but all they need is a rumor.

00:06:43.000 So they try the next best thing, which is destroy your character via rumor.

00:06:47.000 And I remember when the story came out, the first reaction I had, I remember exactly where I was, I was in Naples, Florida, I said, Matt is a serious threat to the regime.

00:06:54.000 This is a huge move.

00:06:55.000 This is the stuff they do against four-star generals that speak out.

00:06:59.000 This is not, they don't do this against congressmen very often.

00:07:02.000 And basically they were alleging the awful things.

00:07:05.000 I don't have to get into the allegations because they're not true.

00:07:07.000 And so then they try to put Matt in a penalty box.

00:07:10.000 And I think the regime was shocked and stunned the way you reacted.

00:07:14.000 The way you reacted was that, no, I'm going to not even defend.

00:07:18.000 There's nothing here.

00:07:19.000 And you kept on doing events.

00:07:20.000 It was purely a tactic.

00:07:22.000 It was a tactical move by the Democrats and by the Unit Party to destroy one of our most articulate voices.

00:07:30.000 And now 18 months later, you have to spend all these money on legal fees.

00:07:34.000 The guy who tried to blackmail your family is going to jail, a legit, legit component to this.

00:07:40.000 Nothing as much of an apology or recourse.

00:07:42.000 Matt, are you going to sue the federal government for what they made you go through here?

00:07:46.000 Well, I think the federal government enjoys sovereign immunity, so I probably won't be able to sue them.

00:07:51.000 But I am taking counsel of some of the just baseless stories that were written about me, and particularly when CNN has one of their own directors saying, We are doing this with malice.

00:08:03.000 We know these things are propaganda, but we're doing it on purpose because we want Matt Gates to be less effective in blocking the Democrat agenda.

00:08:12.000 I mean, it's laid out in technicolor, and so I am looking at that.

00:08:16.000 But, you know, the fights I want to be in are the fights on behalf of our fellow Americans, people who are mistreated as a consequence of January 6th, people who are suffering under this economy, people who can't afford gas to work.

00:08:27.000 So I don't want to become so enveloped in what happened to me that I miss being in the middle of the day.

00:08:32.000 But it's an instruction for regular Americans.

00:08:34.000 But because, Matt, you know that, and I understand that's the right answer for you, but it's my job also to broaden this for everybody that they were trying to turn you into a show trial.

00:08:43.000 It was a Soviet tactic, right? 0.72

00:08:45.000 They saw you as a threat.

00:08:46.000 They wanted to put you on public display.

00:08:48.000 They wanted to try to shut your mouth, right?

00:08:50.000 They didn't like how you were snarky on Twitter.

00:08:52.000 They didn't like how you drew big crowds.

00:08:54.000 They didn't like, and I have a whole theory.

00:08:56.000 There was no coincidence the leak happened just weeks after you went to Wyoming and drew 700 people against then Congresswoman Liz Cheney.

00:09:04.000 Remember that?

00:09:05.000 You go out to Wyoming, you draw a big crowd, everyone writes about it, and Politico said, My goodness, he did it.

00:09:11.000 I can't believe it.

00:09:12.000 He drew a big crowd, a Florida congressman in Wyoming.

00:09:15.000 And then just by coincidence, we're supposed to believe that the same Cheney-built deep state leaked something against you.

00:09:20.000 I think that there's cause and effect there.

00:09:22.000 I really do.

00:09:23.000 But anyway, I don't want to dwell on this too much, but I just want to tell our audience that what happened here is outrageous.

00:09:28.000 It could happen to anybody.

00:09:30.000 Matt Gates not just survived, but he's stronger than ever.

00:09:32.000 Now, my own personal opinion is if you saw Matt Gates, you know, freed up before to say what he wants, I mean, now it's going to be scorched earth, right?

00:09:42.000 So, speaking of which, Matt, you have said that you are afraid the Republican establishment does not want to pursue impeachment proceedings against Biden and his criminals in his cabinet.

00:09:50.000 I saw that and it caught my eye the other day.

00:09:52.000 Elaborate.

00:09:54.000 A lot of Republicans right now think that we can take the majority and return everything back to their version of normal.

00:10:01.000 Unfortunately, that has managed American decline.

00:10:04.000 I have Republicans fighting against my desire to immediately announce an impeachment inquiry into Maorkis.

00:10:11.000 I mean, if you're not, if you're a Republican and you're not for impeaching Maorkis for what he's done to the border on purpose, then I don't really think that you share the energy and the values of a lot of the people who are actually knocking on the doors and making phone calls and talking to voters with Tyler out in Mesa, Arizona.

00:10:30.000 So I think that we have to have a unified Republican strategy around these investigations and impeachments.

00:10:35.000 And you know what?

00:10:36.000 The establishment is still going to be around.

00:10:38.000 People out in America need to know the establishment hasn't left Washington.

00:10:43.000 A matter of fact, I got a call from the Washington Post the other day, Charlie, and a reporter said, We have sourcing that you, Matt Gates, were talking about the need to have Charlie Kirk as the head of the Republican National Committee.

00:10:55.000 And I was not in a position to deny that reporting.

00:10:59.000 And you are the most energetic organizer in our area.

00:11:03.000 And I do think we need to think about these institutions like the Republican National Committee as a springboard to the type of energy and enthusiasm that will build out a policy agenda that we could actually execute rather than just having like endless little like palm card releases of talking points, not really an agenda.

00:11:24.000 Yeah, and just everyone's clear, I love being a radio host.

00:11:27.000 Okay, let's just be very clear.

00:11:29.000 And I appreciate the campaign led by Matt Gates to try to draft me to run the RNC.

00:11:34.000 Boy, that would be fun.

00:11:35.000 Matt, in closing here, what candidates in particular are you spending your time and energy and resources?

00:11:41.000 Think you're going to be fine in your race to comfortably Republican district.

00:11:45.000 But where are you spending your time, energy, and resources?

00:11:47.000 What candidates do you like the best?

00:11:48.000 And then I know you got to run for votes.

00:11:50.000 Let me give you three quick ones.

00:11:52.000 The America First Warrior on the West Coast is Joe Kent.

00:11:55.000 He beat Jamie Herrera Butler in a primary, but faces a tough general.

00:11:59.000 So if you can help out Joe Kent in Washington State, up in the Northeast, Caroline Levitt is running an inspirational campaign in New Hampshire.

00:12:08.000 And I've got to mention my Florida woman buddy, Ana Paulina Luna, who is going to flip Charlie Crist's seat.

00:12:15.000 And she's got a great connection to Turning Point.

00:12:17.000 I know Turning Point is a very good question.

00:12:20.000 We could say, right?

00:12:21.000 She went through the whole process, had a lot of fun together, did a lot of campus stuff.

00:12:25.000 And now she's going to be a member of Congress, which I think will be our first member of Congress, we could say, from Turning Point to Congress.

00:12:31.000 That'd be kind of fun, right?

00:12:32.000 So definitely not the last.

00:12:35.000 That's the beginning.

00:12:35.000 And that's why the regime wants to come after both of us.

00:12:39.000 Matt, go vote. 0.99

00:12:40.000 Hopefully, no, on whatever it is, because it's probably garbage being proposed by Nancy Pelosi. 0.98

00:12:46.000 So don't put too much thought into it. 0.91

00:12:47.000 I think no across the board should be smart, but I don't know what you're voting for.

00:12:50.000 Matt, God bless you.

00:12:51.000 Congratulations.

00:12:52.000 Keep fighting.

00:12:53.000 All right.

00:12:53.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:12:54.000 Thanks.

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00:13:55.000 Look, the fourth branch of government is unchecked, unelected, unaccountable, with unknown amounts of power.

00:14:04.000 We have to do something in this new Congress, in my opinion, to put points on the board against the easiest person that we can kind of put in the, let's say, the hot seat.

00:14:15.000 And that is Alejandro Mayorkas or Becerra or Merrick Garland, any one of these people.

00:14:20.000 But Mayorkis more than anybody else, 5 million people in the last two years have waltzed in the country on his watch.

00:14:25.000 It puts the border on a frontier issue.

00:14:28.000 And again, of course, I'm in favor of impeaching Joe Biden.

00:14:34.000 But do I think he's running the country?

00:14:34.000 Of course, I am.

00:14:39.000 And one thing I think that we can possibly do is build a broader case of an intergovernmental conspiracy against the American people.

00:14:48.000 And it starts with the border.

00:14:50.000 You impeach Mayorkis. 0.94

00:14:51.000 When was the last time a cabinet official has been successfully impeached?

00:14:55.000 I don't think it's ever happened in recent memory.

00:14:57.000 I don't.

00:14:59.000 The last one I think would be the last time we had, let's just say, cabinet presidential widespread resignations, I think would be the Teapot Dome scandal.

00:15:10.000 The Teapot Dome scandal was, I believe, about an oil reservoir in Wyoming.

00:15:18.000 Again, I'm just drawing from memory here under the either Harding, I think it was, yeah, with Warren G. Harding.

00:15:25.000 I'm trying to go from memory here.

00:15:26.000 And it was kind of that whole Ohio gang is what they called it.

00:15:30.000 Ah, there it is.

00:15:31.000 Yep, Warren G. Harding, Teapot Dome scandal was a bribery scandal, which involved Navy and Petroleum Reserves in Teapot Dome, Wyoming.

00:15:38.000 How's that for my history memory?

00:15:41.000 Um, and so, yes, and then it resulted in Senator Tom Walsh being convicted of bribery charges, and then Fall became the first presidential cabinet member to go to prison.

00:15:54.000 So, there is precedent in that way.

00:15:55.000 So, I don't know if it's happened since then, but Teapot Dome in the early 1920s was this mass scandal.

00:16:01.000 This is, it was considered the greatest scandal.

00:16:04.000 What happened on the southern border makes Teapot Dome and the Watergate scandal look like child's play?

00:16:09.000 Again, that's 100 years ago was Teapot Dome, 100 years ago.

00:16:14.000 And so, I think from a strategy standpoint, we got to go after the actual inner workings of the government, which starts with the cabinet secretaries and officials.

00:16:22.000 So, you can impeach any one of these people.

00:16:24.000 Anyone who's Senate confirmed can be impeached.

00:16:27.000 And so, if you go through the process of impeachment, preserve those documents, Mayorkas.

00:16:32.000 Tell us why you allowed 5 million people to illegally enter the United States, trying to destroy the Remain in Mexico policy.

00:16:40.000 All of these different things we need to, and by the way, Miguel Cardona needs to be impeached as well.

00:16:45.000 Totally corrupt criminal running the Department of Education.

00:16:49.000 Now, the U.S. Senate was the one that actually investigated the Teapot Dome scandal in the 1920s.

00:16:54.000 What I'm getting at, and it was such a big deal when they did it, actually built consensus post-Harding, which then would have given us Hoover.

00:17:04.000 Yeah, that sounds right.

00:17:07.000 I think that's correct.

00:17:08.000 And from there, obviously then FDR came afterwards, but it built widespread consensus against that administration.

00:17:16.000 The point is that if you just impeach Joe Biden, how much do you think you're going to get?

00:17:20.000 What kind of documents?

00:17:21.000 What kind of revelations?

00:17:23.000 Do we think the long-term horizon is going to be the American people versus Joe Biden or American people versus the administrative state?

00:17:30.000 If we think it's the American people versus the administrative state, of which I believe, then you have to try to pinpoint and pick the issue, the person, and the personnel and the structure that you think is the greatest threat to American liberty and the American future.

00:17:46.000 And I think you could do this simultaneously with Maorkis and Merrick Garland, the FBI.

00:17:52.000 That's where I would focus a lot more of my time.

00:17:55.000 And I think it would take Biden by surprise.

00:17:57.000 I think that if you just kind of ignore Biden as a puppet and as a fill-in, as a hologram, as a mirage, if you kind of put Biden off the sign, like, we know you're not the long-term future of the party, you're just being controlled by these people.

00:18:09.000 Because look, in a dictatorship, it's the other way around.

00:18:12.000 But we have an upside-down dictatorship that we're living under.

00:18:14.000 A dictatorship is Joseph Stalin on top, and he controls everybody.

00:18:17.000 He has hundreds of thousands of guards, which interestingly enough, Joseph Stalin had 100,000 personal people, personal guards that protected him.

00:18:24.000 But we have an upside-down dictatorship or an inverted dictatorship, let's call it, where the administrative state is actually running Joe Biden, where we have the FBI, the CIA, the Department of Justice, DHS that's actually controlling Biden.

00:18:37.000 I don't consider Biden to be the long-term threat on the horizon.

00:18:40.000 Is Biden a traitor? 0.98

00:18:41.000 Of course, Biden's a traitor. 0.80

00:18:42.000 Is Biden, has he sold out the country to the Chinese? 0.97

00:18:45.000 Yes.

00:18:45.000 But is that the long-term multi-generational threat?

00:18:49.000 No.

00:18:49.000 I think we have to wage a counteroffensive against the administrative state, Majorkis, Garland, Cardona, all of them simultaneously.

00:18:57.000 That has to be a priority for this new Republican Congress.

00:19:02.000 We're getting a lot of emails.

00:19:04.000 I want to continue on this theme because I can sense there's some energy and there's not consensus.

00:19:09.000 And it's not bad disagreement.

00:19:10.000 It's healthy.

00:19:11.000 I love disagreement and I love differences of opinion.

00:19:14.000 Some people agree with me, but I'm saying that if the Republicans take back the House and the Senate, people say we must impeach Joe Biden.

00:19:22.000 And I think a better focus, a better use of time is creating an impeachment strategy, not around Joe Biden, who is a temporary figurehead for a regime, but instead really focusing on the inversion of the United States Constitution and how we are living in an upside-down dictatorship.

00:19:44.000 So let me just ask a series of questions.

00:19:46.000 And again, I'm all for getting rid of Joe Biden, obviously, but if you remove Joe Biden, then Kamala Harris would just fill him.

00:19:51.000 And you kind of got to ask, what's the point, fill the position, and what's the point of that?

00:19:57.000 Not to say that Joe Biden's not a traitor, of course he is.

00:20:01.000 But a couple of questions.

00:20:02.000 Do we think for the next couple generations, the next 20 or 30 years, do we think that we're going to be fighting against Joe Biden or do we think it's the administrative state?

00:20:13.000 Do we think for the next 50 years, the threat to American liberty will be Joe Biden the person or the administrative state the machine?

00:20:23.000 Here's another series of questions.

00:20:25.000 Do we think that with a presidential impeachment, we would have the mandate or the ability to uncover and hold accountable what has become the superstructure of the fourth branch of government, which is why I recommend three or four simultaneous impeachments at once of Mayorkas, of Cardona, of Garland, and of Christopher Wray.

00:20:47.000 Impeach four of them at once and make it about the idea of the fourth branch of government.

00:20:53.000 And yes, some of you are saying, well, Charlie, those are just interchangeable parts.

00:20:56.000 Well, you're not impeaching them as a person.

00:20:59.000 You're impeaching their actions and you're impeaching the machinery.

00:21:02.000 You're basically going to try to prove to the American people how there is an inside-out relationship with government of cronyism, of favoritism, of selective enforcement.

00:21:12.000 I believe that is a much better use of time, energy, and resources than just making it about an interchangeable part of Joe Biden, who very well could be replaced by Michelle Obama or Kamala Harris or Pete Buttigieg.

00:21:25.000 Instead, what if we did something unprecedented with power?

00:21:29.000 What if we impeached the entire administrative state?

00:21:31.000 And then, yes, put names to those faces.

00:21:34.000 And so what you have to do is you have to follow some of Saul Linsky's rules for radicals.

00:21:38.000 One of Saul Linsky's rules for radicals, of course, Saul Linsky is a leftist, but some of the rules, by the way, are very, very effective if employed for proper purposes.

00:21:47.000 And one of them is about finding a target.

00:21:50.000 Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

00:21:54.000 And so the administrative state is a kind of, what's the right word I'm looking for?

00:22:00.000 It's very hard to define.

00:22:02.000 Because it's so big and it's just so massive, it kind of feels like you're fighting against a blob or a Borg.

00:22:09.000 So then you find a figurehead for it.

00:22:11.000 And that figurehead very well could be Merrick Garland, Mayorkas, or several figureheads.

00:22:17.000 And by the way, how about impeaching Anthony Fauci?

00:22:23.000 So now you're really talking.

00:22:24.000 So you got Fauci, you got Garland, you got Majorkis.

00:22:27.000 And the point that I think will be so powerful if we have proper Republican leadership and if we do our job in the media is we make the argument to the American people that these people have actually become the sovereign, that their machinery actually has more power than the executive branch.

00:22:49.000 And this goes and it lays the foundation and the framework for a Trump 2024 campaign.

00:22:55.000 It helps for a constitutional reset, for a medical reset.

00:22:59.000 Instead, here's my fear.

00:23:01.000 If we just go impeach Joe Biden, which again, I'm all for it, even impeaching Kamala Harris and impeaching Joe Biden, all that's fine.

00:23:08.000 Do we have the votes in the Senate to remove them from office?

00:23:10.000 Probably not.

00:23:11.000 Let's just be realistic, even if we win a bunch of seats.

00:23:15.000 But we very well might have the votes to go impeach Majorkis, who kept our borders wide open, or Fauci, who lied about gain of function research, mRNA, gene-altering technology.

00:23:23.000 And in the process of that impeachment of the cabinet officials, we will find a reservoir, a massive amount of information about their actions, their communications, their funding, their motivations.

00:23:37.000 It would be an opportunity to reveal this fourth branch of government that has never actually been properly held accountable.

00:23:45.000 So you go pick four or five of the figureheads of this kind of administrative state, of the deep state, you could call it.

00:23:53.000 We could rebrand it, impeach the deep state.

00:23:56.000 Instead of impeaching Biden, go impeach the swamp itself.

00:23:59.000 Now, it's too much to say we just got to impeach the cabinets.

00:24:02.000 You got to find a target, as Zelensky would say, pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it.

00:24:08.000 And in a time where people want a restoration of sovereign government, in a time where we want to restore the promise of the structure of the Constitution and the constitutional order and a free society, is it a better use of time to impeach Joe Biden, the person, or the administrative state?

00:24:28.000 Friend of mine, Andrea, emailed me, super smart person.

00:24:30.000 She said, Charlie Joe is a traitor and must be impeached. 0.94

00:24:32.000 Read laptop from hell and red-handed. 0.94

00:24:34.000 There's absolute proof of outrageous treasonous behavior by Biden personally that cannot go unpunished.

00:24:39.000 I agree.

00:24:40.000 But just pragmatically, how much longer do we think Joe Biden is going to be president?

00:24:45.000 Is going to be clear thinking?

00:24:46.000 And is Joe Biden really the best use of our energy time or resources?

00:24:50.000 Or is it more appropriate to focus on the massive threat of liberty, the machinery?

00:24:55.000 It would be a very interesting curveball where you almost ignore Biden, where you say, Biden is a traitor.

00:25:01.000 Biden has sold out our country.

00:25:03.000 But we know that what we're actually more concerned about is this inverted dictatorship.

00:25:08.000 And I'm not discounting any of it.

00:25:10.000 Andrea is a great American and she supported Turning Point USA for a long time.

00:25:13.000 I just see it a little bit differently.

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00:26:39.000 Someone says here, Karen says, Charlie, be smart and go for the metaphorical juggular of the administrative state.

00:26:44.000 It's not what they expect.

00:26:44.000 The administrative is so entrenched that Republicans will have tried, will have trouble finding the necessary Republicans who have any stones against against them to go against them.

00:26:51.000 That's probably right.

00:26:53.000 And that's exactly why we should go against them.

00:26:55.000 If the administrative state truly runs our government, if the administrative state is the one that is the sovereign right now in our country, doesn't that necessitate the greatest response?

00:27:06.000 Let me ask you another question.

00:27:08.000 If we do not impeach Majorkis, Garland, Fauci, Ray, Cardona, and Becerra, or any one of those people, do you think that there would be any sort of fear in future cabinets to not undermine a future Donald Trump presidency?

00:27:25.000 Part of my thinking is that creating the precedent by going a little bit lower and going after the lieutenants of the Stalinists actually will create discord.

00:27:36.000 And then all of a sudden, you will see the regime go into self-preservation.

00:27:40.000 If you go after the figurehead, immediately Joe Biden, the Democrats will rally behind Joe Biden the same way they rallied behind Bill Clinton with his impeachment in the 1990s.

00:27:50.000 But if you go after the bureaucracy itself, you go after the person who's running the machinery, and there's plenty of crimes with Fauci, there's plenty of crimes with Garland, all of a sudden you're going to see the rats start jumping off the ship.

00:28:03.000 You're going to see all of a sudden the administrative state try to preserve their documents.

00:28:06.000 They're going to start lying on each other.

00:28:07.000 They're going to start saying, I wasn't a Prudo that, and that wasn't this.

00:28:10.000 And then you could start to build a broader case, a consensus to wipe out the administrative state, the fourth branch of government as we know it right now.

00:28:19.000 Shauna says, Charlie, I have to reluctantly agree, impeach all the administrative state.

00:28:24.000 Then we can hide Biden's executive order pen and there'll be no one for him to find it.

00:28:29.000 Our real problem is rhinos who will undermine our MAGA candidates. 1.00

00:28:33.000 They may even supply Biden with a new pen.

00:28:35.000 That's well said.

00:28:38.000 I think if we think more broadly, though, you go after the machine, but you go after more than the machine.

00:28:42.000 You find the figureheads of the machine and you turn it into a nonstop PR campaign and you use it as a chance to educate, build consensus, and a movement to the American people who've actually running this government.

00:28:55.000 You're able to lean on the Constitution.

00:28:57.000 You're able to lean on the separation of powers, consent of the governed, independent judiciary, checks and balances, and show how we're living in an upside-down dictatorship, in an inverted dictatorship, where this middle bureaucracy is actually running the country.

00:29:11.000 I do want someone, if you're all like, hey, Charlie, we have to only impeach Joe Biden, nobody else, that's fine.

00:29:17.000 I agree. 0.99

00:29:18.000 He's a total traitor. 0.96

00:29:19.000 But I do want to ask the question, though, how do you think that's going to end up? 0.98

00:29:24.000 Do you think we have the votes?

00:29:25.000 Do you think it will be about ideas and long-term consensus to save the country or more about just, oh, this is Joe Biden, you're picking on a cruel old guy.

00:29:34.000 You're being cruel and picking on an old guy who's not going to run for president again.

00:29:37.000 I would much rather make a multi-generational argument, a take-back campaign to make sure the FBI, the CIA, the DOJ, Fauci, and all these other criminals feel as if there's a check and balance for the first time in their lifetime in over 100 years.

00:29:51.000 So we're kind of playing around with this idea of what to do when Republicans take back power.

00:29:57.000 We're getting some very favorable emails.

00:29:59.000 Some people disagree.

00:30:00.000 Not no nasty emails.

00:30:01.000 We've got a couple of nasty people, but whatever.

00:30:04.000 Not reasonable. 0.99

00:30:05.000 Some people say, Charlie, go right for the head of the snake.

00:30:07.000 And you got to ask, but how do you take out the mafia, right?

00:30:09.000 Do you go straight for the head or do you go after the inner workings?

00:30:12.000 The administrative state has gone unchecked for 100 years.

00:30:16.000 We've gone through presidential impeachments and they usually end rather messy, honestly.

00:30:22.000 They end up very political.

00:30:24.000 But you talk about going after the gang of four, the gang of five, simultaneously, Christopher Ray, D.O.J., Merrick Garland, Anthony Fauci, Mayorkis, and Becerra and or Cardona.

00:30:40.000 You go after five of them and you have a picture of all five of them lined up.

00:30:43.000 And the Republicans then make the argument, this is the sovereign.

00:30:49.000 You make the argument that it shouldn't be the sovereign.

00:30:51.000 You have a picture.

00:30:51.000 I'm going to see the picture on the front page of the New York Times, all five of them lined up.

00:30:55.000 Fauci, Garland, Ray, Cardona, and Mayorkis.

00:31:02.000 Five of them, just right across all their names, kind of in a Senate hearing.

00:31:06.000 And you make the argument that these people combined actually have more power than Joe Biden.

00:31:15.000 Going after Joe Biden could end up so divisive.

00:31:17.000 He's on his way out.

00:31:18.000 He probably won't run in 2024.

00:31:21.000 I think that announcement is coming soon.

00:31:23.000 And is it about, and this is just the broader question, is it about Biden the person that is the biggest threat to your grandkids' future?

00:31:32.000 Or is it the machinery that got Biden implemented into office?

00:31:38.000 Which one is a greater threat?

00:31:40.000 Joe Biden the person or the machinery that helped implement Joe Biden.

00:31:46.000 Because when they wanted to get, for example, the FBI to suppress 2020 Hunter Biden stories, they went straight to Facebook.

00:31:56.000 When they wanted to say that the Russian laptop was disinformation, they did it like this.

00:32:01.000 When they want to keep the southern border wide open, they do all that.

00:32:04.000 So where is the power?

00:32:06.000 Where is the sovereign?

00:32:07.000 Who is in charge? 0.99

00:32:09.000 And if you have Fauci in the mix there, all of a sudden you make things very interesting because Fauci is a rat. 0.55

00:32:15.000 These guys are going to go into pure preservation mode.

00:32:19.000 And you can't just do one of them.

00:32:20.000 You got to do five at once.

00:32:22.000 You've got to have them all of a sudden prioritize which one of their instruments do they care about most.

00:32:30.000 You see, if you just do one, they'll say, oh, poor Anthony Fauci.

00:32:32.000 If you just do two, they'll be, but you have five of them all lined up across.

00:32:37.000 And then you have Matt Gates and you have Lauren Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene, and you got Jim Jordan, you got Andy Biggs, and you got Byron Donaldson and hopefully Anna Paulina and Caroline Levitt.

00:32:46.000 And all of a sudden, you got them hammering them with questions and subpoenas and committees, not just for one and five.

00:32:51.000 How will the regime be able to compensate with an all-out investigation into five of them?

00:32:59.000 Now, some people are saying Joe makes a good point here.

00:33:02.000 Emails me freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:33:04.000 He says that the Republicans don't have the stones to impeach anyone.

00:33:10.000 I disagree.

00:33:11.000 The people are in charge now.

00:33:13.000 This party has changed profoundly.

00:33:15.000 We're calling the shots now.

00:33:18.000 We're going to be able to get legitimate oversight done.

00:33:21.000 That's if we are clear on what we want.

00:33:24.000 Now, if what we want is a simple impeachment of Joe Biden, I'm not saying that's inconsequential, and I'm not saying he doesn't deserve it, then it would probably pass the House.

00:33:35.000 And then immediately Democrats say, oh, they're trying to impeach the president, impeach an old man, and blah, In some ways, Joe Biden is a Patsy.

00:33:42.000 He's a fall guy.

00:33:43.000 They want us to take that bait.

00:33:46.000 Like, come on, just impeach him.

00:33:48.000 But if you're saying, actually, no, we want to go after a broad-based campaign in the deep state, the administrative state, the shadow government, we're going to use our new Congress to create a totally new consensus, a grassroots movement against this 100-year destruction of American liberty post-Woodrow Wilson.

00:34:06.000 For 100 years, the administrative state has not been checked and balanced.

00:34:11.000 For 100 years, this could be a once-in-a-generation opportunity to totally change the framework to show that we're actually living in an inverted dictatorship where Stalin's not running the country, where Stalin's lieutenants are running the country.

00:34:23.000 And then you have Garland, Mayorkis, Fauci, all of them, one by one by one.

00:34:28.000 They have to give answers, document preservation.

00:34:31.000 Why'd you target moms and dads at school board meetings?

00:34:33.000 Where did the virus originate from?

00:34:34.000 Why is the border completely and totally wide open?

00:34:36.000 Why did you give a stand down, order the border patrol?

00:34:38.000 Why'd you get rid of remain in Mexico? 1.00

00:34:41.000 They will not be able to have enough smear cover-up campaigns.

00:34:43.000 The New York Times will be off their narrative every day because you're going to be impeaching a different part of the machine.

00:34:48.000 Every day, you could have a new part of the machine you're trying to impeach.

00:34:51.000 They won't be able to do their counter narrative and they're going to be like, what are we doing?

00:34:54.000 Finally, the people are going to be taking back the machinery.

00:34:57.000 You go just for Joe Biden.

00:34:58.000 They're going to make it about personal politics.

00:35:00.000 They're not interested in governing all this nonsense. 0.98

00:35:02.000 Not that we care as much about the media, but it does disable kind of their mockingbird machinery.

00:35:10.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:11.000 Email me your thoughts as always.

00:35:12.000 Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.

00:35:14.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:35:16.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - October 01, 2022

Should We Impeach Joe Biden? With Matt Gaetz

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