Allie B. Stuckey and I discuss the state of the church, whether or not women should be pastors, and more. Allie is one of my favorite voices in the Christian space, especially from a female perspective.
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00:02:44.000I mean, you know, there's so many weirdos and there are so many things nowadays that you can do with a child's image, that you can do with information about a child.
00:02:52.000And I just wanted as little info about them in the world as possible.
00:04:34.000so I can see I can see the contrast whenever my nephews I'm like There's so much happening and I forget when I have my three little girls who love princesses and drawing and imagining things and building, you know, forts that turn into homes and everything turns into a baby.
00:05:07.000two girls, it'd be amazing to like, whatever the Lord, you know, uh, gives us is just, you know, But it's really remarkable to see how my daughter, being the older, already has maternal instincts towards her brother.
00:06:01.000Well, it aids your sanctification in the same way that marriage does in that you are now sharing your interests and your priorities with another person.
00:06:09.000You are now learning how to get along with other sinners who have their own desires and their own struggles and the things that they have to sacrifice.
00:06:19.000And so it just causes you to move outside of yourself.
00:06:22.000It causes you and really demands that you deny yourself, take up your cross and follow Christ.
00:08:48.000And again, as Erica deserves all the credit because, and look, you know what it's like, you know, raising kids, have to produce content, travel.
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00:10:37.000I hear from young ladies on campus all the time, Charlie, I don't want to get married because I want to prioritize my sleep.
00:10:44.000I don't have kids, and I'm the most important thing in the world.
00:10:47.000And so you're like one of the most important, I have to compliment you, female voices out there in Christianity.
00:10:54.000I know how to speak to young men, sort of young women, not really, but like how do I even respond to the me, me, me selfish narcissism that I encounter so much?
00:11:04.000I think that I would probably ask that person, are you happy?
00:11:08.000Because most people who say, I prioritize me, I want to put myself first, I want to do what feels good, those people typically aren't happy.
00:11:16.000Those people typically really struggle with deep depression and anxiety and discontentment and poor relationships and toxic friendships and all of these problems, but they're constantly being fed a message that the problem isn't you, the problem is everything else.
00:11:32.000And once you get rid of all of these toxic factors in your life and you truly find yourself and discover yourself, You'll fill yourself and put yourself first.
00:11:40.000Then you'll kind of be liberated from your depression and anxiety.
00:11:43.000But as I've said a lot, the self can't be both the problem and the solution.
00:11:47.000You're trying to solve the problem that you're finding inside yourself with yourself, and that's illogical, and it's ineffective.
00:12:40.000And so is that really the root of why America's embraced abortion so much?
00:12:51.000And I argue that the God of self has two highest values, and those two high values are autonomy and authenticity.
00:12:59.000Now, autonomy and authenticity, just like empathy, and we can get into this, can be good values when they are submitted to absolute truth.
00:13:08.000But when they're not, when they are your absolute values, they're justifications for sin.
00:13:12.000So autonomy becomes a justification for sin when you say, well, I control myself, I control my body, so much so that you're literally, Authenticity can become this bad value when you say, well, I want to be true to myself, so I'm going to allow my self-identity to trump physical reality or my biology.
00:13:36.000And so those two main values that the God of self hoists up as supreme, authenticity and autonomy, are really used as justifications of all kinds of depravity.
00:13:50.000Something you're really effective at, I don't know, I'm loud, I don't know how effective I am, is calling out the church and their failing of identifying this.
00:14:00.000What is the state in your estimation of the modern American Christian?
00:14:04.000No, you're really good at talking about this.
00:15:11.000You're tired of the stress of politics and the left-right division in your church.
00:15:17.000Let us help you unify your congregants.
00:15:19.000Let us walk you through how you can lead your congregation through the next election and these political issues.
00:15:26.000But how they're doing that is by saying, well, abortion is nuanced, so don't talk about it.
00:15:32.000Gender is really, you know, it can be offensive to the image bearers in your And you're a congregation, so don't say that gender is binary.
00:15:41.000So they exist to try to make theologically conservative churches politically progressive, and I don't know how effective they are at doing that right now, but you could see how it'd be persuasive for the mushy middle.
00:15:54.000Yeah, so there's three types of churches.
00:15:57.000There's true churches, which is the type you and I go to and that we speak at.
00:16:01.000There's trembling churches, those that are, like, always shaking like a leaf.
00:17:34.000No, I don't think that women should be pastors, and I don't think that they should preach from the pulpit on Sunday mornings.
00:17:40.000Obviously, I don't believe that women shouldn't be Bible study leaders or that we shouldn't speak at all or that we shouldn't have podcasts.
00:17:46.000I think there are lots of wonderful places for women to speak and to teach.
00:17:51.000But it seems to me that when Paul says that women shouldn't teach, and he's talking about in the context of the local church, and then he goes all the way back to creation for his reasoning, he doesn't say, well, this is something that's happening in your life.
00:18:12.000I don't know everything that he means there, but if he's going back to something that is still true today, it seems like the directive is still for today, too.
00:18:40.000And of course, there are people on the left hand, but I don't even think about what their opinion is.
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00:21:27.000They are displayed proudly and openly.
00:21:30.000And that at least they, even if they're like taking the books and they're throwing and they're drawing on them, the kinetic memory that the parents value learning is a very important thing.
00:22:54.000Well, yeah, and I think that they are – not that we can't learn from other people, but I think a lot of sermons today are probably recycled.
00:23:21.000On CNN, he used to go at it between Gavin Newsom.
00:23:24.000Back when Gavin Newsom pretended to be like a devout Catholic, and he would say like, wait, don't you know what the Roman Catholic Church teaches on marriage?
00:23:32.000And he's like, well, I, you know, how Gavin Newsom is.
00:24:07.000You know who comes to mind first in that?
00:24:09.000I mean, especially when we're talking about COVID.
00:24:10.000I just think of Andy Stanley and just the legacy of Charles Stanley, which stands so tall and is so amazing, and how he is compromised, especially on the COVID thing.
00:24:20.000He said at Liberty Convocation in 2020, which he did virtually, maybe not in January, but that year he said, You know, it's funny.
00:24:38.000He texted me because I was attacking him relentlessly.
00:25:44.000You don't need to apologize for Romans 1. You don't need to apologize for 1 Corinthians 6. You don't need to apologize for the so-called clobbered passages.
00:25:52.000Let me tell you, it's not just about those one or two verses.
00:25:56.000He says that homosexuality is different than other sins.
00:26:28.000It is representative of Christ in the church, and therefore it is reflective of the gospel.
00:26:33.000And I could go through all the biblical references to support all of those, and I have many times on my show, but it'll take a long time.
00:26:40.000Those five R's are how we have to remember why it is so important to get the definition of marriage right, because when people start denying Genesis 127, they eventually deny John 14, 6, that Jesus is the way, the truth of life, that no one comes to the Father except through him.
00:26:57.000I hope that doesn't happen to Andy Stanley, but he's compromised so much on this one issue and I think has probably actually burdened a lot of people who struggle with same-sex attraction rather than freeing them with the truth of the gospel.
00:28:39.000And so I had a feeling it was more than that because someone leaked an email to me that they were like, hey, come here to sign up to debate Charlie Kirk.
00:28:46.000So they're advertising all this to do about it.
00:33:08.000I guess the Holy Spirit just helps me with this kind of alliteration.
00:33:11.000But – because people always say, well, you don't have to care about what Leviticus says.
00:33:18.000I don't know what they say about Romans 1 and 1 Corinthians 6 and all of these other verses, but they just kind of say, well, we don't have to abide by those.
00:33:29.000But if you look at the positive definitions of sexuality and marriage in Scripture, which is what we should look at, when we read the Bible, we don't just say, well, what can we get away with?
00:33:38.000We read the Bible asking, how can we obey God?
00:33:41.000Which means you don't just look at, what does he say I shouldn't do?
00:33:45.000What does he say is good, right, and holy?
00:34:36.000Ephesians 5. Paul says, this is a mystery, but I'm telling you that marriage here on earth, and I'm paraphrasing, represents Christ in the church.
00:34:44.000just as the husband is the head of the wife, so is Christ the head of the church.
00:34:52.000That's not true of two women who are together because it is the husband who represents Christ.
00:34:57.000It is the wife who represents the church.
00:34:59.000And so we read that the earthly physical marriage of a man and a woman is representative of a spiritual and eternal reality of Christ's marriage to the church.
00:35:10.000And so in that way, it is reflective of the gospel.
00:35:16.000And the gender designations are not arbitrary.
00:35:19.000So that is exactly why when someone compromises on I will give you attribution, but you're going to hear that on a college campus near you.
00:35:45.000I had someone ask me the other day why men are becoming more religious.
00:35:50.000And there is some, okay, so there is some competing data, I will say, about whether Catholicism is growing or whether they're adding new people at the same rate that they're losing new people.
00:36:00.000At least anecdotally, I know in right-wing circles, Catholicism has more momentum.
00:36:09.000The expectation of this is what I have to do and this is what it looks like.
00:36:13.000And I'm not trying to, I mean, everyone knows I'm, you know, a Reformed Protestant.
00:36:17.000I talk a lot about Protestant theology, but I'm not trying to say this in some kind of like dismissive way.
00:36:22.000Truly, there is something beautiful about that.
00:36:24.000And I think there is something that they feel grounded in when they can look back at the history of the Catholic Church and say, "This has been done this way for X amount of years." Also just the existence of the magisterium, that this is what the Bible means, this is the catechism, this is how we interpret scripture.
00:36:45.000There's a lot of debate and discussion and differing interpretations within Protestantism, which I think is a feature.
00:36:55.000You know, a bad product of the Protestant Reformation.
00:37:27.000It's not enough just to have a Sam's Club with worship, you know?
00:37:31.000Not to say that Jesus can't be present there, but I do think that the old, even the old beautiful Protestant churches are something that we can take a page out of that our Lord deserves a holy place to sanctify.
00:37:45.000Now, of course, Jesus is in all of our hearts.
00:37:47.000But when I go to church, I want to feel as if I am pursuing the holy, right?