The Charlie Kirk Show - Should You Date a Pro-Abortion Person?

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00:01:59.000 Would you date somebody who's pro-life?

00:02:04.000 Starting with you.

00:02:05.000 I know it's hot seat, but.

00:02:07.000 Why do I always got to pick her?

00:02:07.000 Oh, man.

00:02:12.000 Yes.

00:02:13.000 Yes, I would.

00:02:14.000 Yes, because you can be pro-life and still pro-choice.

00:02:17.000 And there's as long as they're pro-life and not anti-choice, that's to me a distinction.

00:02:21.000 Wait, I'm a little, can you clear?

00:02:22.000 I'm a little confused.

00:02:23.000 I'm a little confused.

00:02:24.000 There are plenty of Democrats if you pull Democrats.

00:02:26.000 Like, for example, like a lot of Catholic Democrats, Joe Biden, our own president personally, is pro-life.

00:02:32.000 So he would not feel comfortable probably having a wife that submitted herself to supercure and abortion, but is okay with it being legal. 0.77

00:02:39.000 And I think that's the important distinction, not whether or not they personally are.

00:02:42.000 So yeah, sure.

00:02:44.000 I can agree with that.

00:02:46.000 Yeah, I think generally.

00:02:49.000 It depends.

00:02:49.000 I don't know.

00:02:51.000 If they're super pro-life to the point where it's like, oh, the mother's health is at risk and you still shouldn't abort, then I'm like, whoa, slow down there, buddy.

00:03:00.000 I don't know how I feel about that.

00:03:02.000 But without those extremes, yeah.

00:03:04.000 Sure.

00:03:05.000 Yeah, I agree about the extremes.

00:03:07.000 If they are too extreme, then maybe no.

00:03:11.000 But I would still date someone who's pro-life if they weren't too extreme.

00:03:16.000 Okay.

00:03:17.000 I'm kind of the same.

00:03:18.000 I don't think it becomes a problem unless I get pregnant unexpectedly and then I don't want the child. 0.97

00:03:22.000 But I'm sure if it was a good relationship anyways and they got pregnant, I would want the child anyways too, even though I am pro-choice.

00:03:29.000 I don't think it gives that much of a conflict.

00:03:32.000 Obviously, depending on the circumstance.

00:03:35.000 Molly?

00:03:36.000 I agree.

00:03:37.000 You can be pro-choice and pro-life at the same time.

00:03:40.000 And that is really the only way that I would be able to be in a relationship because I'm pro-choice, but I can also respect that the person that I love is not.

00:03:49.000 Okay.

00:03:50.000 Charlie, any thoughts here?

00:03:51.000 Yeah, I'm just curious.

00:03:52.000 When would you guys say human life begins?

00:03:56.000 That's like a philosophical question for the ages when there's a heartbeat.

00:04:01.000 When there's a heartbeat.

00:04:02.000 Or no, I guess it's a little bit more.

00:04:04.000 Now we have three different answers.

00:04:05.000 So I'm just, we have a, I will presume, a group of women, because we all, you all self-described as women.

00:04:10.000 I'm kidding.

00:04:12.000 When does life begin?

00:04:13.000 Heartbeat.

00:04:16.000 I would still say at birth, even though I know that your cells can be formed in a brain, sofa, and the uterus.

00:04:23.000 But yeah, I think you're not fully a human until you're born.

00:04:27.000 Okay, and you said heartbeat, right?

00:04:29.000 Okay.

00:04:30.000 I think it's very difficult to answer.

00:04:31.000 I think mostly consciousness and personhood is really what people are seeking to identify.

00:04:36.000 And I believe, would you have, I'm sure you happen to know, how long is like, how many weeks is a full term of pregnancy?

00:04:42.000 It's a good question I know very well.

00:04:44.000 It's about 38, 39 weeks.

00:04:46.000 40 is like at the furthest of justice.

00:04:48.000 So as far as I know, like around 30 weeks is when you see like typically like most development of the fetus has taken place.

00:04:48.000 40 weeks.

00:04:54.000 So I would say like around earlier than that.

00:04:56.000 No, I mean so heartbeat is right around six weeks.

00:04:56.000 But yeah.

00:04:59.000 Brain waves are even before that.

00:05:01.000 And you could do an ultrasound at right around, you could start do ultrasounds at eight weeks and you could see the full full being right around 12 weeks and right around 25, 26 weeks are now the earliest cases we have of babies that are able to survive outside of the womb.

00:05:16.000 Does anyone have any other answers on that?

00:05:19.000 No, I mean I'm not like educated scientifically enough about the biology of all of it, but I agree.

00:05:27.000 I think that life is a very subjective term.

00:05:31.000 You know, you could say when does the infant's body in the womb start functioning?

00:05:37.000 Or you could say when do they start perceiving their consciousness?

00:05:44.000 And for me, it's when they start perceiving their consciousness, but truly I have no idea when that is.

00:05:51.000 Do you think it would be important to let me ask you this, if you knew for certain the baby, would you agree it's a baby?

00:05:58.000 Is that a good term to use if it's in a womb? 0.98

00:06:00.000 Is that a baby?

00:06:01.000 I think most people would say fetus.

00:06:02.000 Poly fetus. 0.91

00:06:04.000 Okay, so what does fetus mean in Latin?

00:06:06.000 I think a fetus is a growing child.

00:06:08.000 It's a development.

00:06:09.000 You're right.

00:06:10.000 Molly, you know, it means a little human.

00:06:11.000 Yeah.

00:06:12.000 It's just using fetus is nothing more than a cope for what you know it is.

00:06:16.000 It's a baby, right?

00:06:17.000 So it's just.

00:06:18.000 Obviously not if we're here debating it.

00:06:19.000 I don't think it's a simple.

00:06:21.000 You don't have to use the word fetus.

00:06:22.000 It just makes people feel better.

00:06:22.000 It's obviously a baby.

00:06:23.000 No, I mean, obviously you wouldn't take like, you know, a fetus that just has like a heart and like their brain isn't fully formed and be like, that's the same as like a one-month-old.

00:06:32.000 Like we obviously see differences between development from then and there.

00:06:36.000 So but then how about 30 weeks?

00:06:37.000 That's where it becomes a lot more contentious.

00:06:40.000 But the point being is that we don't look at a fetus from its beginning stages and be like, yeah, that's the same thing as my like three month year old cousin.

00:06:47.000 Well, hold on, that's a nine month old is not the same thing as a one-month-old.

00:06:50.000 Okay, so you can go, the progression of development continues.

00:06:54.000 The question is, when does it start?

00:06:56.000 Yeah, that's a million dollar question.

00:06:58.000 I agree with that.

00:06:59.000 Do you think conception?

00:07:00.000 Of course.

00:07:00.000 That's the only answer.

00:07:02.000 Most women, I don't believe, even know that they're pregnant before six weeks.

00:07:05.000 So like around the heartbeat.

00:07:08.000 The knowledge of your pregnancy doesn't mean that you're not pregnant.

00:07:10.000 No, no, no.

00:07:11.000 That's not what I'm saying.

00:07:12.000 But I'm saying like practicality-wise, there are many instances of women who have miscarriages without even ever knowing because it might just present as like a very heavy cycle that month.

00:07:22.000 That's fine, but it doesn't make it any less a life, right?

00:07:25.000 Sure, go ahead, Molly.

00:07:27.000 Do you mourn that miscarriage in the same way you mourn like an abortion, like a concern?

00:07:31.000 Not the same way.

00:07:32.000 No, it's not the same way.

00:07:33.000 No, but it's still a tragedy.

00:07:35.000 A miscarriage is a tragedy.

00:07:37.000 Even if she doesn't know about it?

00:07:39.000 But an abortion is an act of human will.

00:07:41.000 A miscarriage most times is not.

00:07:43.000 Now, sometimes it can be a miscarriage because you drank alcohol and you didn't know you were pregnant, or you might have taken a drug that had side effects.

00:07:50.000 But yes, a miscarriage is a tragedy.

00:07:52.000 Yes.

00:07:53.000 I have a question.

00:07:54.000 So do you care about the children once they're born?

00:07:59.000 I mean, I care a lot about them.

00:08:01.000 So how, so if, say, a woman got R-worded or something, or even if she just got pregnant and grid one motorcycle, donated $200, right?

00:08:14.000 Life is not subjective, and we know this because you were speaking of killing. 1.00

00:08:19.000 Why is it so easy for you ladies to kill kids? 1.00

00:08:22.000 If your comfort and lifestyle more important than to life, anyway, my question, what was I saying? 1.00

00:08:29.000 Oh, if you were saying if somebody was someone forced sex upon themselves, it's the word you're.

00:08:40.000 Say she didn't have a good life.

00:08:42.000 Do you still think that child deserves to be brought into the world just to suffer?

00:08:46.000 Well, so it's not a guarantee of suffering, number one.

00:08:49.000 One second, one side.

00:08:50.000 The answer is yes, the life should be brought into the world.

00:08:52.000 There are twice as many people on the adoption waiting list than someone.

00:08:57.000 Let me ask you guys, and I don't, I'm just curious, how many abortions do you think there are a year in America?

00:09:02.000 I have tens of thousands, I assume.

00:09:04.000 Any other guesses?

00:09:05.000 No, I have no idea.

00:09:07.000 What if I told you there's over a million abortions every year?

00:09:09.000 That wouldn't surprise me at all.

00:09:10.000 But you went from tens of thousands to a million.

00:09:13.000 I mean, there's billions of people on the board.

00:09:16.000 Yeah, there's 340 million in America.

00:09:17.000 That's right.

00:09:18.000 No, but do you think this is...

00:09:19.000 As far as like reported ones, because even just reported data is going to be incomplete about the city.

00:09:23.000 But that doesn't count methoprecinone, which is the chemical abortion that people take at home.

00:09:27.000 It doesn't count Plan B, right?

00:09:28.000 And even if abortion were illegal, for example, we stopped gathering data on who procures abortions.

00:09:33.000 There would be so many.

00:09:34.000 There's so many now, even with states where it's still legal.

00:09:37.000 In Texas, it's gone down dramatically.

00:09:39.000 So hundreds of millions.

00:09:40.000 No, they're still happening.

00:09:40.000 It's just not being accounted for.

00:09:42.000 But 90% of them. 1.00

00:09:43.000 Women are just doing it to themselves. 1.00

00:09:45.000 Right. 1.00

00:09:45.000 It's a 90% abortion reduction rate in Texas. 1.00

00:09:47.000 I don't want to dwell on that too much, though.

00:09:49.000 So there's a million abortions every single year.

00:09:53.000 And there's twice as many people on the adoption.

00:09:55.000 There's 2 million people actively on the adoption waiting list.

00:09:58.000 So there's really no such thing currently.

00:10:00.000 There could be, but currently, of an unwanted child.

00:10:02.000 So there's 2 million people wanting to adopt, and there's a million people that have abortions every single year.

00:10:08.000 So there's twice as many people that want to get a child.

00:10:11.000 Now, there's a longer conversation about making it less bureaucratic without allowing bad people to adopt kids for bad reasons.

00:10:18.000 I'm perfectly open for that conversation.

00:10:20.000 But to answer your question, I don't love the premise.

00:10:24.000 It's a really good question because a lot of people have it.

00:10:26.000 I don't necessarily believe being born in poverty is a death sentence or is a reason to terminate it.

00:10:32.000 Of course, not abortion is a death sentence.

00:10:35.000 So I don't think poverty should give you a death sentence.

00:10:38.000 Would you say abortion is murder?

00:10:40.000 Do you think that people who procure abortions, women specifically, a woman who procures an abortion should go to jail for getting one?

00:10:40.000 Oh, of course, 100%.

00:10:46.000 Absolutely.

00:10:46.000 Yeah, they're the moral equivalent of Auschwitz.

00:10:49.000 Really? 1.00

00:10:50.000 A million of millions of women are basically the same as Nazi. 1.00

00:10:50.000 Yes. 1.00

00:10:55.000 Not the women. 1.00

00:10:56.000 They're lied to. 1.00

00:10:56.000 The women are victims. 1.00

00:10:57.000 90% of women do not see an ultrasound before they have an abortion.

00:11:00.000 They have no idea what's happened to them.

00:11:01.000 They're the victims here.

00:11:03.000 It is the abortionists that are doing this.

00:11:04.000 But let me ask you, and I mean this, have you guys ever seen an abortion on a video?

00:11:08.000 How correct?

00:11:08.000 I'm sorry, if women are the victims here, why should they be jailed?

00:11:11.000 Well, I don't believe they should be jailed. 0.95

00:11:12.000 I think people are going to be able to do that.

00:11:13.000 You just said that abortion is murder, but a murderer shouldn't go to jail.

00:11:19.000 The doctors, the abortionists, the people that call themselves doctors, the people that put women under general anesthesia and go into women do they ask they are doctors.

00:11:19.000 I didn't say that.

00:11:29.000 They're medical.

00:11:30.000 Are you going to just discount the accountability of the people?

00:11:32.000 My current perspective is because the women are not given what is called informed consent, that the women should not be penalized.

00:11:40.000 They shouldn't be penalized.

00:11:41.000 In fact, they should be given grace from a system that has lied to them and has misled them.

00:11:45.000 They are not given the full picture of exactly what's happening to them.

00:11:48.000 Informed consent has not happened.

00:11:49.000 So these women are the victims. 0.96

00:11:50.000 Abortionists, one second. 1.00

00:11:52.000 The abortionists are the ones that know exactly what's happening.

00:11:54.000 And if you haven't seen a video of an abortion, I'm not going to say anything too graphic.

00:11:58.000 It is one of the hardest things to watch.

00:11:59.000 The baby fights, the baby struggles, the baby dodges, the baby avoids, they break the neck of the baby, they euthanize it to the spring.

00:12:05.000 It's not a joke, and then they tear it limb from limb through there.

00:12:08.000 If you're trying to tell me that's, you know, if you're talking about dilation and extraction abortion, no, hold on a second.

00:12:17.000 The baby has a backbone at six weeks and a spine.

00:12:19.000 It has a complete figure.

00:12:20.000 It's small.

00:12:21.000 It's like probably a small size of like a grape, yeah.

00:12:24.000 Yes, but by eight weeks or 12 weeks, and you're talking about the vast majority of abortions are performed in the first trimester.

00:12:29.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:12:30.000 So when you just a type of abortion that you described is literally the like minority of the time, and those are wanted pregnancies because usually those women want those pregnancies.

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00:14:00.000 No infant should be terminated because of health risk to the infant.

00:14:03.000 Okay, that's insane.

00:14:04.000 It's like you're going to kill the baby because the baby has health risks.

00:14:07.000 Not just health risks.

00:14:08.000 These are deformed, like these are medical.

00:14:13.000 Yeah, like skills.

00:14:14.000 Do we abort Down syndrome kids?

00:14:16.000 No.

00:14:16.000 Iceland has.

00:14:17.000 They said if you have Down syndrome, you're done.

00:14:19.000 So that's not a new phenomenon.

00:14:21.000 They have gotten rid of Down syndrome.

00:14:22.000 If you have a DNA test of Down syndrome, they abort the kid.

00:14:25.000 I think that's cruel and unusual.

00:14:26.000 That is.

00:14:27.000 Okay, we agree.

00:14:27.000 Good.

00:14:28.000 I think there are frivolous reasons to procure abortions, but I don't believe that just because there are frivolous reasons to get them, that means it should be outlawed.

00:14:34.000 But should murder be outlawed?

00:14:36.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:14:37.000 But like you were saying, even though you believe that those women have a hand in committing the murder and infanticide, basically, of their own children, they shouldn't have to do that.

00:14:45.000 I don't believe that they have not been given informed consent to be able to do that.

00:14:47.000 Do you have that opinion with people who are addicted to drugs?

00:14:50.000 Do you think only drug dealers should go to jail, but not people who actually try to buy drugs and consume them?

00:14:55.000 It depends what drug it is.

00:14:56.000 It depends the category, the class.

00:14:57.000 Is there a single drug where you would say that somebody who is buying and consuming drugs that they are addicted to should not be going to jail, but only their drug dealer should be going to jail?

00:15:05.000 I mean, I think fentanyl and heroin potentially, but it's a completely separate issue because a lot of people know the informed consent of heroin and fentanyl.

00:15:12.000 It's not like we have PSAs, we have billboards.

00:15:14.000 Stop using fentanyl.

00:15:15.000 Stop doing fentanyl.

00:15:16.000 How many times have you heard that?

00:15:17.000 Have you heard of that?

00:15:18.000 But they have a chemical dependency now that prevents them from being able to make that.

00:15:21.000 How often have we ever had an honest conversation with women in this country saying that having an abortion increases the chances for depression, anxiety, medication dependence?

00:15:31.000 As that is having a kid.

00:15:33.000 Hold on.

00:15:34.000 Having children carries all of those same risks.

00:15:36.000 You think having children...

00:15:38.000 You think having children...

00:15:40.000 No, don't mischaracterize me.

00:15:41.000 No, that's not a problem.

00:15:42.000 I'm not going to say that having a child necessarily gives you depression. 1.00

00:15:45.000 Women don't have any reactions. 1.00

00:15:46.000 That's what she's saying. 1.00

00:15:46.000 It can come with it. 1.00

00:15:47.000 Like postpartum depression, for example, is extremely convincing.

00:15:50.000 It's temporary and short-lived, and obviously that's temporary and short-lived.

00:15:57.000 That's not permanent.

00:15:58.000 You know, but when you're in the middle of the world, living with postpartum depression can simply constitute a temporary medical issue.

00:16:04.000 Let's theoretically even grant.

00:16:06.000 So you're saying because of potential postpartum depression or financial burdens, the moral answer is allow women to go with. 0.99

00:16:13.000 No, that was never my argument.

00:16:14.000 This had nothing to do with morality.

00:16:15.000 This was a completely separate question.

00:16:17.000 I'm only saying that I feel like you're trivializing and downplaying how serious conditions like postpartum depression can be when you want to write it off as like a temporary medical issue when it can be years-long battle.

00:16:28.000 Having children is a serious choice.

00:16:29.000 So what percentage of abortions, according to the Gutmacher Institute, are not rape, not incest, and not life of the mother?

00:16:35.000 What percentage would you say?

00:16:36.000 Or the vast majority?

00:16:37.000 97%.

00:16:38.000 So is abortion now birth control?

00:16:40.000 Yes or no?

00:16:42.000 No, I don't think so.

00:16:44.000 I think that's situational to each and everybody.

00:16:47.000 Molly, do you think that birth control could be called birth control in certain ways?

00:16:50.000 Because you're talking about over a million abortions, but there's tens of millions of women that are on birth control, that have IUDs, that take birth control pills.

00:16:57.000 So obviously, that's not the only reason why.

00:17:00.000 But it's a form of birth control.

00:17:02.000 It's a form of birth control.

00:17:03.000 Because you acknowledge that it's not the predominant form of birth control.

00:17:06.000 No, I didn't say that.

00:17:07.000 No, honestly.

00:17:08.000 I said it's birth control.

00:17:09.000 Yeah, but we're not disagreeing with the category.

00:17:10.000 I'm talking about the portal and COVID.

00:17:11.000 If it's birth control, then why would we allow it to continue if it's not, if you put the rape, incest, life of the mother, which we can debate.

00:17:19.000 I didn't.

00:17:20.000 But no, I'm going to put that aside for a second.

00:17:22.000 Then why should we allow a horrific procedure to continue that has such heavy and dire consequences and results in a child not being able to live outside of the womb?

00:17:32.000 You're loading it so much by saying a horrific procedure.

00:17:32.000 Because that's what we're going to do.

00:17:35.000 Most women who procure abortions actually report being happy long term because they made the choice because there's many different reasons why women get abortion. 0.99

00:17:42.000 Some women aren't in a financial position to have a child at that time and actually decide to have children later. 1.00

00:17:47.000 How'd they get pregnant? 1.00

00:17:48.000 They had sex unprotected or an accident.

00:17:48.000 What do you mean?

00:17:51.000 They want the orgasm without the responsibility. 0.99

00:17:54.000 Do you think the majority of women are having orgasms and sex? 0.98

00:17:56.000 Are you serious?

00:17:58.000 Have you seen the studies on orgasm gaps between men and women?

00:18:01.000 So they want all the pleasure.

00:18:01.000 I'm being honest.

00:18:03.000 They want all you want all the loose lifestyle, but none of the responsibility.

00:18:09.000 Now you're framing it like the punishment for having orgasm should be punished.

00:18:14.000 No, no, no, the way that you're framing it, which is that.

00:18:16.000 It's not a punishment. 0.98

00:18:17.000 Oh, you want the loosey-goosey parts of sex, like the orgasm, but you don't want the responsibility of a child. 0.97

00:18:21.000 It's like, yeah, some people want to be able to have sex. 0.97

00:18:23.000 Okay, no, you articulate it perfectly. 0.98

00:18:25.000 I'm going to be able to have sex how I want, and if I have to go put a dagger through, have someone put a dagger through a child for me, then so be it. 0.99

00:18:33.000 Sure, I guess. 0.99

00:18:35.000 No, that you're being morally clear.

00:18:36.000 And basically it is, it's my body.

00:18:38.000 I can do whatever I want with it.

00:18:40.000 Even though...

00:18:41.000 Let me ask you a question. 0.55

00:18:42.000 Even though, like I said, most women don't regret their abortions at all. 0.99

00:18:45.000 Like the vast majority of women say report happiness and being okay with their decision.

00:18:49.000 I'm sure you think that they're lying or they're indoctrinated or if it's not your DNA, how is it your choice?

00:18:55.000 What?

00:18:55.000 If it's not your DNA, why is it your choice?

00:18:57.000 It is the answer.

00:18:58.000 Because you probably have to carry the child to your DNA.

00:19:01.000 It's a partner's DNA and then it forms into, yeah.

00:19:03.000 It has its own unique DNA that's not yours. 0.68

00:19:06.000 Here, it's part of the power.

00:19:07.000 This is your DNA.

00:19:08.000 I think it's half.

00:19:08.000 This is the best thing.

00:19:09.000 Oh, so should the man then be able to have veto power over abortion?

00:19:12.000 Well, the point is the man isn't the one incubating the child.

00:19:15.000 So I thought it's about DNA.

00:19:17.000 I never made the DNA argument.

00:19:19.000 You did.

00:19:19.000 The argument that I was going to make was, or I was going to ask you the question, do you think another person has a right to your life and your body?

00:19:27.000 Does another person have a right to?

00:19:29.000 Technically, because abortion was legal when I was in utero, someone did have a right to my life and body. 1.00

00:19:36.000 And my mom chose life, praise God. 0.86

00:19:36.000 Oh, hey. 0.86

00:19:38.000 So did all your moms.

00:19:39.000 Yeah.

00:19:40.000 The argument.

00:19:41.000 Are you glad that she didn't have an abortion?

00:19:43.000 No. 0.97

00:19:45.000 So you would rather be dead? 0.68

00:19:46.000 I don't know.

00:19:47.000 I mean life can be different.

00:19:48.000 If she didn't exist, you would not be able to even know what you would never know what you never materialized.

00:19:54.000 A couple people wanted to come in really quick.

00:19:56.000 It looks like you wanted to come in.

00:19:58.000 I'd like to give you an opportunity to speak. 0.84

00:19:59.000 Then I think you had more Pixie than Molly.

00:20:02.000 Go ahead. 0.95

00:20:04.000 It was just backtrack just on what he was saying on not wanting to have the responsibility.

00:20:10.000 I think that's really...

00:20:12.000 I don't really think that makes sense because I don't think sex is just for reproduction.

00:20:17.000 It's just like asking you, you know, like every time, I'm not trying to bring in your wife, but, you know, every time you have sex with your wife, it's purely for reproduction. 0.96

00:20:25.000 I feel like that is very unaccurate.

00:20:28.000 So, I mean, it's hard to expect everyone who isn't in a marriage to just not have sex just because they don't want to get pregnant or just because they don't want to have that responsibility.

00:20:36.000 Wait, did you make, did you even make the argument that sex is purely?

00:20:40.000 I don't think you did.

00:20:41.000 Angel's making a good point, and I want to give her credit for this.

00:20:43.000 What she's saying, and it can be misunderstood that I was saying sex is strictly for reproduction.

00:20:48.000 What I was saying is that everything in life has consequences and choices, right?

00:20:52.000 And at times, the mainstream predominant narrative is that sex comes with almost no downsides, and we're going to give you either the technology, the procedure, or whatever to try to limit those downsides.

00:21:04.000 But the difference is that when my wife and I have sex, if she results to be pregnant, which she did, is that we live with that consequence, which happens to be a positive consequence, right? 0.95

00:21:14.000 A huge blessing.

00:21:15.000 Now, I understand what I'm saying.

00:21:16.000 It's very, very radical and very unpopular, but the ideal should be far less people having premarital sex and trying to have sex within marital guidelines, or at the very least, monogamous guidelines, okay?

00:21:28.000 So that if there was to be a pregnancy, that that baby could be loved and cared for and brought into this world.

00:21:33.000 I understand it's a hard ideal to even grasp and comprehend in a world where everything is very sex positive and sex abundant, but it's an ideal that I defend nonetheless.

00:21:45.000 I mean, I don't think there's anything that's in contradiction with being sex positive, but also wanting to help prevent unwanted pregnancies.

00:21:51.000 I would not, I would just say to those women and those people having sex that you should be using birth control and family planning methods to make sure that you don't have any unexpected pregnancies that you don't want to have to skip the abortion part altogether.

00:22:02.000 I don't think anybody loves their abortion.

00:22:04.000 I only said that people just don't regret them.

00:22:06.000 Are you guys familiar with what's happening with the chemical abortion craze that's going on right now?

00:22:12.000 The pill?

00:22:13.000 No, not the pill.

00:22:14.000 That's different.

00:22:15.000 I'm talking about where they're mailing chemical abortion packets where women are bleeding out and emergency room visits are up nearly 300%.

00:22:25.000 You guys should look into it.

00:22:26.000 It's a very serious thing.

00:22:27.000 Why is that? 1.00

00:22:28.000 Because abortion is harder. 1.00

00:22:30.000 It's because women don't have access to safe abortion, so they start resorting to these sorts of methods. 0.95

00:22:34.000 There's no such thing as a safe abortion.

00:22:35.000 Let me be honest with you.

00:22:36.000 Really?

00:22:38.000 There were millions of women that got an abortion, but you're going to say that none of them were all of them died after? 0.96

00:22:44.000 All the babies did. 0.96

00:22:45.000 But did the women? 1.00

00:22:47.000 Is it unsafe for a woman to procure an abortion? 1.00

00:22:49.000 But it doesn't, hold on. 1.00

00:22:51.000 Is it unsafe for a woman to provide a bad person? 1.00

00:22:51.000 Answer that question. 1.00

00:22:52.000 Every single abortion, every single abortion.

00:22:55.000 You know it's not unsafe.

00:22:55.000 That's why it's an answer.

00:22:57.000 Let them answer. 1.00

00:22:58.000 Every single abortion has a victim necessarily.

00:23:01.000 And many, many times has a woman full of regret that we are now seeing, and I'm not going to make up numbers out of nowhere, but there is a growing community of abortion regret, including people that are speaking out and they're saying, I wish I wouldn't have, and it resulted in either difficulty to have children in the future or mental trauma.

00:23:21.000 Do you care about their life?

00:23:23.000 That's a good question.

00:23:24.000 Or what about the moms like her mother who, I wish I actually had had an abortion because that wasn't the life path that I wanted to go down, but it was one that I chose to make. 0.50

00:23:32.000 Do you care about those?

00:23:33.000 I care about all people.

00:23:34.000 So why do I care?

00:23:35.000 Do you care about that specific opinion?

00:23:37.000 Somebody who regrets not getting an abortion?

00:23:38.000 Regrets not, no, I don't regret that mothers wanted to regret that. 0.93

00:23:42.000 Do you care about the opinions of moms who actually say, I have a child, but I'm not happy with having a family?

00:23:47.000 I actually wish I had gotten an abortion.

00:23:48.000 Do you think that that's a good idea? 1.00

00:23:49.000 Why don't they just kill their kid then? 1.00

00:23:52.000 I don't think that it necessarily follows that if you regret not getting an abortion, that you're going to commit murder. 1.00

00:23:57.000 But it's the same thing.

00:23:58.000 Yeah, just put your kid up for adoption.

00:23:59.000 What about adoption?

00:24:00.000 If you regret it so bad, just give it.

00:24:01.000 I don't think most people at that point they're not going to drop a caption.

00:24:05.000 Why not?

00:24:05.000 You regret it.

00:24:06.000 No, no, no.

00:24:06.000 I'm not saying anything stopping them.

00:24:07.000 I'm saying most people are not going to discover kids.

00:24:10.000 If you ask them, like, would you have rather had an abortion or a family?

00:24:12.000 Some of them might say, yeah, actually, having a family and raising a child is very hard to actually wish I had an abortion.

00:24:17.000 I don't doubt that that opinion might be.

00:24:19.000 Not everybody is fit to be a parent.

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00:25:37.000 Let me just answer your question really quick.

00:25:39.000 Why do I care?

00:25:40.000 If you cannot get the life question right, then you get every other question wrong.

00:25:44.000 When does life begin?

00:25:46.000 And I care about the innocent.

00:25:47.000 I don't like bullies.

00:25:48.000 I don't like evil.

00:25:49.000 And I believe it is an act of evil to destroy those that can't defend themselves, including the one million babies inception?

00:25:56.000 Are you pro-women?

00:25:58.000 Personally, or I'm agnostic on the question politically, meaning it's legal, so be it. 0.94

00:26:03.000 But I wouldn't consider it to be a good lifestyle choice, including most specifically hormonal birth control.

00:26:09.000 Now, mind you, I'm over my skis on this being a man, but I will yield to the growing community of women on both sides of the political aisle that are ditching their hormonal birth control because they say, I don't like the way it makes me feel.

00:26:21.000 Or they want an IUD, which is a non-hormancy. 1.00

00:26:23.000 One second.

00:26:23.000 But there is a growing body of literature by Dr. Daniel Amon and many other people that show that the pill increases anxiety and depression and suicidal.

00:26:33.000 I'm sorry, certain types of ideation.

00:26:35.000 So again, I am not going to act like an expert on that, but that's a legit community online of people that are ditching hormonal birth control.

00:26:42.000 I think the way that you're phrasing things of like, oh no, like murdering the babies is quite interesting because I don't think in like any other example where we have a person and their life is somehow connected to someone else, they decide like, hey, I don't want to do this anymore.

00:26:54.000 Like I don't want to give my kidney to this person.

00:26:56.000 I don't want to continue this blood transfusion.

00:26:58.000 I don't want to continue this process.

00:27:00.000 We wouldn't go and point at them and be like, you're a murderer.

00:27:03.000 So I just think that there is a distinction to be made here when you're saying like, oh no, they're murdering babies by just deciding that like, hey, actually, I don't want this fetus to continue using my lungs, my blood, my organs to continue developing.

00:27:16.000 Like, would you call somebody who doesn't want to have like give a blood transfusion or give a kidney or something like that?

00:27:21.000 No, that's a good question.

00:27:22.000 That's actually a good faith question.

00:27:24.000 So if I had the specific type of blood type, okay, and in a hypothetical desert island, there happened to be a medical facility and somebody right there needed a blood transfusion and I said no, I would be complicit in their death.

00:27:35.000 Yes.

00:27:35.000 Okay.

00:27:36.000 That is the extrapolation of the hypothetical year.

00:27:40.000 Let's go to the point that you should be punished if you refuse to render aid to the government.

00:27:45.000 Let me finish.

00:27:46.000 Let me finish.

00:27:47.000 Okay, so if the government decided, hey, you know what?

00:27:50.000 Like, let's say Joe Biden is put in the hospital and you're the only person for whatever reason in the world that can give him a kidney and you have to basically give him like constant transfusions of blood for like the next year, would be a murder if you decide not to do that.

00:28:04.000 Well, first I would do it, even though I can't stand Joe Biden.

00:28:07.000 Yeah, just for the record.

00:28:09.000 And if it was only for nine months, yeah, I'd do it.

00:28:11.000 And if you didn't do it, do you think you should be punished with jail time or whatever?

00:28:14.000 It depends the type of informed consent that goes alongside of it, which goes back to why I believe women are lied to and women are victims in the abortion process.

00:28:21.000 And yes, there are exceptions where women really know what's happening.

00:28:25.000 Very, very rare.

00:28:26.000 However, I don't think the law should go towards women.

00:28:28.000 I think they are.

00:28:30.000 First of all, I just think that there should be grace and forgiveness because a lot of women go to abortions in crisis.

00:28:34.000 They feel overwhelmed.

00:28:36.000 They feel as if the world is against them.

00:28:39.000 The abortionists, let me be very clear, the people that call themselves medical doctors that know better, that actually do the very damaging graphic removal of the baby, those are the people that I think should be focused when it comes to law.

00:28:51.000 To your point, though, if for nine months I would have to live a tougher life for another human being to live, I would do that.

00:28:59.000 Wait, but it's not such tough.

00:29:00.000 Wait, I just want to be clear.

00:29:02.000 Would, like what Erin was saying earlier, so do you think the government should be able to punish you for not doing that?

00:29:08.000 Should you be able to go to jail or should the government be able to send you to jail because you didn't want to give blood transfusions to Joe Biden for nine months?

00:29:15.000 Should the government have that ability?

00:29:16.000 It depends if I knew the totality, if there really were no other options.

00:29:19.000 If I said to if all of a sudden in this theoretical strand of desert island, in this abstract thing, and I had all the informed consent and Joe Biden was dying and he said, help me out, bro.

00:29:30.000 I need nine months of your blood.

00:29:32.000 And I said, no, I would be at the very least third-degree murder.

00:29:36.000 Do you think that in that stranded, because all of a sudden, if I let him go and I say, you know, no, I'm not going to give you my blood.

00:29:42.000 I'm not going to give you my stuff.

00:29:44.000 I personally wouldn't be able to live with myself.

00:29:45.000 If I have something that I don't need, maybe you guys agree or disagree.

00:29:49.000 If I have something that won't, and this is my own personal lot, you guys could disagree.

00:29:53.000 But if I have something that will make my life more difficult for nine months, to use the analogy, right?

00:29:59.000 But it meant another life could continue, I would sign up in a second.

00:30:03.000 Do you think there has ever been a woman who has procured an abortion that had totally informed consent and still went through with the decision?

00:30:09.000 Of course, yes.

00:30:10.000 Do you think that that woman who has informed consent? 1.00

00:30:13.000 That's way too hypothetical.

00:30:14.000 And the answer is no, because how could you find them?

00:30:15.000 How could you investigate them?

00:30:17.000 Because it happens every single day. 1.00

00:30:18.000 There's actually a case right now in Texas of a woman who's actually trying to go. 0.90

00:30:24.000 And Texas has said that when she returns, they want to put her in jail.

00:30:27.000 Yes, so I don't believe in that, number one.

00:30:29.000 And I know what you're trying to do.

00:30:30.000 You're trying to paint me on the extreme of punishing women for abortions, and I'm going to remain hold and fast.

00:30:35.000 That I think women are the victims in the abortion industry. 0.93

00:30:37.000 They are lied to by Planned Parenthood.

00:30:39.000 They get lied by the abortionists.

00:30:40.000 If I was in your chair, I'd be doing the exact same thing.

00:30:42.000 But you deny that there's any women that have informed consent to this decision.

00:30:46.000 You believe that the vast majority of people that get abortions are deluded into getting them.

00:30:51.000 I said, of course, there are, nor should the law or the policy be focused towards women.

00:30:56.000 And the vast majority, 90, 95%, we know this from studies by pro-life groups, and we know this by studies, not even just by pro-life groups, by Planned Parenthood.

00:31:04.000 Well, hold on a second.

00:31:06.000 Do they administer an ultrasound before an abortion? 0.99

00:31:08.000 Yes or no?

00:31:08.000 The answer is no.

00:31:09.000 In some states, they do because it's mandated by those state laws, yeah.

00:31:12.000 Well, not before those states have completely eliminated abortion now after the fall of Roe.

00:31:17.000 There's no abortion, or is it that those abortions are just happening in unsafe ways because women can't go to doctors to get them?

00:31:24.000 Well, many of them are not doing abortion.

00:31:26.000 Hold on, let's say they're doing abortion tourism, many of them. 0.81

00:31:29.000 They're coming to states like this.

00:31:30.000 But let's take California, for example.

00:31:32.000 Let's get less abstract.

00:31:33.000 Where we here right now, if one of you want to get an abortion down the street, they will not give you an ultrasound before.

00:31:38.000 And just so you know what an ultrasound is, it's a three-dimensional interactive image of the baby fetus, whatever you want to call it, in the womb before termination.

00:31:47.000 They will not show that.

00:31:49.000 And so, to answer your question, first of all, I think it would be so unrealistic, and I know what you're trying to do.

00:31:55.000 You're trying to play into a narrative that really doesn't exist too much.

00:31:58.000 You can use the Texas example, that Republicans want to punish women for having abortions.

00:32:03.000 Hold on a second.

00:32:04.000 I don't like that argument.

00:32:05.000 I don't, because I, from 12 years old, from the first sexual education young girls have in this country, is they look at abortion as normal, as fine, and so they've been indoctrinated. 0.80

00:32:14.000 That's why I continue to believe that they are victims of a bigger scheme.

00:32:18.000 They're victims of a bigger scheme, and they should not be punished or held accountable.

00:32:21.000 Instead, you go after the industry itself that knows better.

00:32:24.000 There is no comprehensive sex ed in this country.

00:32:26.000 I grew up in Texas, and the sex education that I was given to the extent that I was was abstinence only.

00:32:31.000 So, them saying, don't have sex, basically.

00:32:34.000 And another thing, I take it to something else that you said earlier, which is that, oh, well, they've reduced abortions because they've made it illegal.

00:32:41.000 But you know that just because something is illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen anymore.

00:32:44.000 But murder is illegal, it never happens.

00:32:45.000 But birth rates are up.

00:32:47.000 So that's how we know it's working.

00:32:49.000 Were you going off of birth rates, or were you going off the fact that there are zero reported abortions because doctors refuse to perform them because they don't want to go to jail?

00:32:55.000 I guarantee you there are back alley abortions happening.

00:32:58.000 Far less than used to happen when the clinics were open. 1.00

00:33:00.000 Should those women have to get back alley abortions? 1.00

00:33:02.000 Well, they shouldn't get abortions at all. 1.00

00:33:04.000 But they're going to.

00:33:05.000 It's just a matter of whether it's going to be safe or not.

00:33:07.000 Okay, again, that's the murder example.

00:33:09.000 There's still a lot of murders, and I'm glad murder is illegal on the books.

00:33:12.000 It's also the R-word example. 0.79

00:33:14.000 It's also those.

00:33:14.000 So I could apply it equally.

00:33:16.000 Of course, there will always be people that break the law.

00:33:18.000 There will always be people that produce the most graphic, horrific content illegally online.

00:33:23.000 That doesn't mean the law should not exist.

00:33:26.000 The law needs to be a reflection of morality and, most importantly, the fundamental principle, the defense of the innocent.

00:33:32.000 How about liberty?

00:33:32.000 Shouldn't it be within people's purview to engage in family planning or make those decisions for themselves?

00:33:38.000 Well, what is liberty?

00:33:39.000 Liberty is a concept that has been hotly debated by many political theorists, scientists, philosophers.

00:33:47.000 But liberty is one having the autonomy and self-determination to be able to make as many free and fair choices in their life and society as possible.

00:33:55.000 Fair.

00:33:56.000 And so if liberty hurts somebody else, is it still liberty?

00:33:59.000 No, because now you're infringing upon other people's rights.

00:34:01.000 So we have clarity.

00:34:01.000 So it comes in contact with other people's rights all the time.

00:34:04.000 Right.

00:34:04.000 So we have clarity but not agreement.

00:34:06.000 I view abortion by being a violation of the liberty principle because there's a victim. 0.54

00:34:09.000 You don't view it that way.

00:34:11.000 So we have reasonable disagreements.

00:34:12.000 Fundamental disagreement.

00:34:14.000 Yes, we have reasonable disagreement, but there's obviously a victim, right?

00:34:17.000 There's a baby that needs to be scraped aside, cast and put into a trash can.

00:34:21.000 That is a victim.

00:34:21.000 Therefore, it's the violation of the liberty principle that you articulated.

00:34:26.000 Brian, I want to ask you a question.

00:34:27.000 Do you think that it's consistent in Charlie Kirk's...

00:34:32.000 Do you think it's consistent in Charlie's philosophy to say that a woman procuring an abortion, which is akin to murder, should not have to go to jail even though she's effectively murdering her own child or future child?

00:34:43.000 Well, truthfully, I'm not really well-versed on this topic.

00:34:47.000 From what you've heard so far, do you think that if somebody conflates abortion with murder, the person who gets it.

00:34:52.000 I'm the dating guy.

00:34:54.000 But you know, it came up.

00:34:56.000 So, sorry, repeat the question.

00:34:59.000 Just do you think it's consistent in someone's philosophy to say simultaneously that abortion is murder, but that the person who actually asks for that murder effectively should not have to go to jail?

00:35:09.000 Do you think that's consistent?

00:35:10.000 Or do you think that doesn't make sense?

00:35:12.000 I'm not even following.

00:35:13.000 Sorry, I've got to do it.

00:35:14.000 Think about it.

00:35:15.000 If somebody conceives of abortion as murder, if somebody conceives of abortion as murder, do you think that if they engage in getting an abortion, aka murder, they should be excluded from going to jail because they're just a victim?

00:35:27.000 Do you think that's consistent?

00:35:28.000 I don't, honestly, you're not representing my argument.

00:35:31.000 That's my answer.

00:35:32.000 An important wrinkle that you're missing, which is that the woman, in my view, in any objective analysis, does not get the full picture of what's being done to her, the full picture of the being inside of her.

00:35:43.000 So that's a very important element you're missing here, right?

00:35:46.000 But I was saying that even if in the cases that they do and they choose to get an abortion, should they go to jail?

00:35:52.000 And you wouldn't engage with the hypothetical.

00:35:53.000 I want to see a Brian.

00:35:54.000 So let me be honest. 0.98

00:35:57.000 If they did engage in that and all that, there should be a national forgiveness for those women. 0.54

00:36:03.000 And that's what I would say.

00:36:04.000 And in those very rare cases, because what we're talking about is improbable.

00:36:08.000 It would be, first of all, insanely unpopular.

00:36:09.000 And I'm very aware of that.

00:36:11.000 But I offer grace and forgiveness to women that have had abortion, not to the people that have conducted them. 0.93

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00:37:21.000 I do want to move on here a little bit because Charlie has to leave in about 15, 20 minutes.

00:37:27.000 So last thing on the abortion thing, just really quick, and I think we might have touched on this before.

00:37:32.000 I guess just for Pixie and you, just since you guys seem the most vocal on this topic, do you think that a woman not being financially ready is a valid reason to get an abortion?

00:37:41.000 Yes.

00:37:42.000 Yes.

00:37:43.000 All of you?

00:37:43.000 Okay.

00:37:43.000 Yes.

00:37:44.000 Yes.

00:37:44.000 What about parental responsibility?

00:37:47.000 Maybe they could be financially ready, but they just don't want the increased burden, I guess, to be a parent.

00:37:57.000 Is that also a valid reason?

00:37:58.000 That's valid.

00:37:59.000 I don't think the government has a right to basically dictate your bodily autonomy.

00:38:03.000 That's where I draw the line.

00:38:04.000 And so they're being dependent on it.

00:38:07.000 So I have a question for you.

00:38:09.000 What do you say to a man who is not financially ready or who is not perhaps not ready for the parental responsibility?

00:38:16.000 What do you tell him?

00:38:19.000 Should he have not had sex? 0.68

00:38:21.000 Is that what you tell a man? 0.53

00:38:22.000 No.

00:38:23.000 No. 0.98

00:38:23.000 I think they should have been more careful, but I wouldn't say overall that they're responsible for engaging in sex. 0.98

00:38:28.000 Accidents happening.

00:38:28.000 No, but what is the outcome for a man who is not financially ready or does not want the parental responsibility?

00:38:35.000 Paper abortions. 0.96

00:38:36.000 They call these paper abortions. 1.00

00:38:37.000 You can write away your parents.

00:38:38.000 Men's rights advocates prefer, I believe that the term is legal paternal surrender. 0.56

00:38:43.000 Legal paternal surrender is the solution to this, where men can surrender their rights and any claims to parenthood of that nature. 0.66

00:38:48.000 And they will have to pay child support.

00:38:50.000 Right.

00:38:51.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:38:52.000 I think that is the imperfect solution, but it's the closest thing that you could get because you would never have the say over whether or not somebody carries a pregnancy to term somebody else.

00:39:01.000 Okay, Pixie, any thoughts on that?

00:39:03.000 Yeah.

00:39:04.000 I guess I just like I'm in similar alignment.

00:39:06.000 I think, again, I think there's a legal question of abortion and there's like a moral question as well, as well as when it comes to like giving birth.

00:39:14.000 And that's why I think like even morally, even though I might not personally have an abortion or whatever, I just don't think the government has a right to tell you what's wrong with your mother.

00:39:23.000 If you can, try to actually answer the question.

00:39:25.000 So what do you tell?

00:39:27.000 Because in all 50 states in the U.S., Whether there's abortion rights or not in that state, uh, in all 50 states, if the woman chooses to proceed with the pregnancy and has the child, uh, you know, there's certainly going to be some either financial or parental responsibilities that men cannot so easily do away with.

00:39:49.000 Um, do you think that it's what do you tell a man, though, who's who's like, I don't want to have to pay child support, I don't want to have to be parentally responsible for the child.

00:40:00.000 What do you say to men in that situation?

00:40:02.000 I don't have legal right to do that.

00:40:04.000 That doesn't necessarily men don't have a legal right to do that in any state, but it's really interesting how people who are in favor of abortion become bronze age uh pro-lifers when it comes to uh, the the male side of this.

00:40:18.000 Well no, because you have consistent.

00:40:20.000 I've said that legally oh, I don't think the government should have a say on what, what you do with your bodily autonomy, and I think legally um, a man should have the.

00:40:28.000 The government shouldn't, like necessarily force you um, to claim childhood or like parenthood over a child that you don't claim to have.

00:40:36.000 Does that make sense?

00:40:37.000 I'm saying that there's like a legal consistency here that I believe in.

00:40:40.000 Okay, so you're in favor of a legal paternal surrender?

00:40:43.000 Yeah perhaps, perhaps in states where abortion is legal yeah yeah, and men are already surrendering their children regardless, even even without that not happening.

00:40:51.000 I don't know men, men can walk out on their men can already walk out on their children and can walk out on their children.

00:40:58.000 They already do.

00:40:58.000 I think it would be better, of course, but I don't think.

00:41:01.000 Yeah I, I think there there's a difference between, like moral and legality, and that's where I think we would agree.

00:41:06.000 Yeah, men are already doing this.

00:41:07.000 I think it would just be better to regulate it and bring it above board and make it like a formalized legal thing.

00:41:12.000 Yeah, so I have a question, you're obviously very pro-life.

00:41:15.000 Um, are you a vegetarian?

00:41:18.000 I am not a vegetarian.

00:41:20.000 Yeah, i'm vegan.

00:41:21.000 Doesn't sound sled well um, a cow?

00:41:25.000 A cow is not a human being, but it's a life, is a life.

00:41:28.000 Uh, it's not a human being.

00:41:29.000 I think he's pro-human.

00:41:32.000 You, you do know that supremacy.

00:41:33.000 Vegetables are alive too.

00:41:35.000 Broccoli screams when you pull it from the ground.

00:41:38.000 So and, by the way, there is a moral difference between a cow or a salmon or swordfish than a human being.

00:41:44.000 I don't think she was equating them, but she was just saying that they have the capacity for life suffering like, or like.

00:41:49.000 I think.

00:41:50.000 Hold on, go rewind the tape.

00:41:51.000 I said, when does human life begin?

00:41:53.000 I did ask that question, right?

00:41:54.000 No, I don't think she was calling that into question.

00:41:55.000 I think she was just asking like, do you extend that to animals, because most people won't?

00:41:59.000 No I I, I do not know, I don't.

00:42:01.000 I think that we, we as human beings, have supremacy over animals.

00:42:04.000 Yeah, we should watch and care for animals uh, to the best of our ability. 1.00

00:42:08.000 So we should kill them humanely. 1.00

00:42:09.000 But what is this? 1.00

00:42:10.000 Come on man, that's the abortion argument. 0.93

00:42:12.000 Well wait, if you really think a human life and a cow is similar, then a cow is better than a human life.

00:42:20.000 Similar as far as like moral worth and moral consideration.

00:42:22.000 I don't think that there's going to be like a comparison as far as like in the way that you're making, I guess.

00:42:27.000 But like, people feel this attachment to animals already, like their pets right, like a dog or a cat.

00:42:32.000 Honestly, if you ask most people, would you rather save a stranger in a fire or your pet your, your dog or your cat, than a fire?

00:42:38.000 Morally, most people would say I would say my pet.

00:42:40.000 Yeah, because that's screwed up, because they follow their heart, not their head. 0.89

00:42:45.000 I have a question.

00:42:45.000 Wait, you should have a question.

00:42:46.000 I'll put it really quick, but I do want to move.

00:42:49.000 You are right.

00:42:49.000 Most people would save their dog or a stranger when drowning, they would save the dog.

00:42:52.000 You're right.

00:42:53.000 If it was their dog, that is a straight step.

00:42:54.000 I think if it was just a dog, they didn't date.

00:42:56.000 That's a stranger.

00:42:56.000 But to answer your question, no, I'm a meat eater and I'm proud of it.

00:43:00.000 He's a proud mediator, folks.

00:43:02.000 Oh, wait, really quick.

00:43:03.000 You asked if I would date a pro-lifer Lila. 1.00

00:43:07.000 Who comes on your show? 1.00

00:43:08.000 What's her name? 1.00

00:43:08.000 Lila Rose. 1.00

00:43:09.000 Lila Rose.

00:43:10.000 I would date Lila Rose, okay?

00:43:11.000 I will become pro-life for you, Lila.

00:43:16.000 All right, I'll let her know and perhaps she's married.

00:43:19.000 Okay, all right. 0.74

00:43:20.000 Pump the porch.

00:43:21.000 I missed my opportunity. 1.00

00:43:23.000 So a couple, I think some of you raised your hand when you said you were feminists.

00:43:27.000 Do you guys believe in the patriarchy?

00:43:29.000 Yeah, of course.

00:43:30.000 The evil patriarchy.

00:43:32.000 I don't know much about conspiracy. 1.00

00:43:36.000 It's basically queueing on for liberal feminists.

00:43:39.000 It is like he thinks that patriarchy is a natural state of the world and should be brought back to that.

00:43:45.000 So how is that queue on if it's like people within your own group believe that acknowledging that?

00:43:50.000 I disagree with Chase about a lot of things.

00:43:52.000 And I mean, he's been a recurring guest on the show, but his views are not necessarily representative of whatever.

00:44:04.000 But do you think that the trad cons or people, I don't think all tradcons believe in this, but a lot of them who claim like patriarchy should be the state of the world?

00:44:12.000 Yeah, like the patriarchal family structure.

00:44:15.000 I think there's certainly some merit to it, but do I do everybody?

00:44:18.000 And also, I think people have different definitions of what that is.

00:44:23.000 I mean, I certainly don't think that there's we live in a patriarchy currently.

00:44:28.000 I don't think there's patriarchy.

00:44:30.000 Do you mean the United States or globally?

00:44:32.000 Or both?

00:44:33.000 I mean, I think it vary based on it vary based on the country.

00:44:40.000 That's a good question.

00:44:42.000 For example, the United Kingdom has, for the past 200 years, for most of those 200 years, has been, maybe it's even more, has been under the rule of a queen.

00:44:53.000 Well, it's monarchy, but I mean, well, I'm not super well.

00:44:56.000 A sovereign.

00:44:57.000 Yeah, I'm not super well educated on the it's more a figurehead, but still, yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:45:02.000 Uh, I wanted Charlie's thoughts on this, um, and guys, yeah, we're gonna have a little bit of reverb issues, uh, but uh, just bear through it, and then I'll fix it once uh next time we get to it.

00:45:16.000 Um, Sophia, I was curious, um, Sophia, you do OnlyFans.

00:45:20.000 Um, I noticed in some of your photos, Nick, if you can pull them up.

00:45:23.000 Oh, gosh, oh, gosh, zoom out just a tad, Nick.

00:45:29.000 Thank you, thank you.

00:45:31.000 One more, Nick.

00:45:33.000 I guess you're wearing cross next. 0.94

00:45:35.000 Yes, are you Christian?

00:45:37.000 My, so I grew up.

00:45:41.000 I grew up Catholic, and my mom.

00:45:44.000 There's another, scroll up, scroll up, Nick, scroll up, scroll up.

00:45:47.000 Come on.

00:45:48.000 No, scroll down so I can.

00:45:50.000 Oh, gosh.

00:45:51.000 I know I was thinking about it.

00:45:52.000 This is going to be cross, okay? 0.89

00:45:59.000 Scroll down.

00:45:59.000 Okay.

00:46:01.000 Nick.

00:46:02.000 Jesus, I can't remember that.

00:46:04.000 Another cross, okay?

00:46:05.000 What cheers you up?

00:46:06.000 And there's a tip.

00:46:08.000 What amojes that?

00:46:09.000 The animal.

00:46:15.000 There's the cross.

00:46:16.000 And then, of course, you use your Twitter to scroll down to the Nick.

00:46:19.000 You use your Twitter to promote your OnlyFans.

00:46:24.000 I'm curious, do you, while you're shooting your OnlyFans content, your pornographic content, do you wear your cross while you...

00:46:32.000 Oh, man.

00:46:33.000 And I noticed you're wearing a cross.

00:46:35.000 I think you're welcome.

00:46:35.000 I know, I took off my cross.

00:46:37.000 I don't have a cross.

00:46:39.000 Well, that top one is like an altered.

00:46:41.000 Anyways, do you wear your cross while you're shooting pornographic content?

00:46:45.000 I probably have, yes.

00:46:48.000 You probably have.

00:46:50.000 How do you reconcile?

00:46:51.000 Are you Christian?

00:46:52.000 I, well, I grew up Catholic.

00:46:54.000 Okay, Catholic.

00:46:55.000 And my mom is, we grew up Catholic as my dad, and my mom is Christian.

00:47:00.000 But, I mean, my personal belief, I believe in God.

00:47:05.000 I believe in a higher being.

00:47:08.000 But I'm not as strict as I would say a Catholic would be, like a firm believer.

00:47:15.000 Okay.

00:47:16.000 So, I mean, I don't really think much of it, and maybe I'm at fault for that.

00:47:23.000 But I wear the cross because I do believe in God, and I love, you know.

00:47:29.000 I guess just how do you reconcile, you know, wearing the cross, sort of still being a Catholic, I guess, with producing pornographic content.

00:47:42.000 I guess.

00:47:43.000 Which does seem at odds with the faith.

00:47:47.000 I mean, she already said she doesn't think too much about it.

00:47:50.000 I don't.

00:47:52.000 Maybe that's where I'm at.

00:47:52.000 I don't think it's at odds.

00:47:53.000 Have you ever heard of Mary Magdalene?

00:47:56.000 What is the assertion with her?

00:47:58.000 Mary Magdalene was.

00:47:59.000 I've heard differing accounts on that.

00:48:00.000 Mary Magdalene.

00:48:02.000 Yeah, mildly Christian.

00:48:04.000 Okay. 1.00

00:48:04.000 Mary Magdalene was a prostitute. 1.00

00:48:06.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:48:07.000 As inferred in the scriptures.

00:48:08.000 But Jesus did tell a prostitute in John 8 to sin no more. 0.63

00:48:12.000 So he loves all people.

00:48:13.000 And he befriended her and he was a mother.

00:48:15.000 That is correct.

00:48:15.000 He loves all people, but he didn't necessarily love what they did.

00:48:18.000 Sure.

00:48:18.000 That's important.

00:48:19.000 And I'm only saying that.

00:48:20.000 I don't think that there's any point in the Bible where Jesus endorses her actions, but he does have love for her.

00:48:26.000 Sure.

00:48:26.000 Okay.

00:48:27.000 And so I guess like, okay.

00:48:30.000 Do you think God wants you doing adult pornographic content?

00:48:35.000 Because you said you at least believe in God, right?

00:48:37.000 Yes, I do.

00:48:37.000 Okay.

00:48:39.000 Okay.

00:48:40.000 Well, I don't think he specifically likes it, but I know that he does love me, and I have reasons to why I do what I do.

00:48:50.000 And they're good reasons.

00:48:51.000 Sure.

00:48:52.000 And it's not mostly mostly it's not selfish at all.

00:48:55.000 And I actually provide a lot for my family.

00:48:59.000 Do you think God wants you doing adult content?

00:49:04.000 Probably not.

00:49:06.000 Okay.

00:49:07.000 Fair enough.

00:49:08.000 Do you have any thoughts on that, Charlie?

00:49:10.000 Well, I have like broad thoughts in general.

00:49:13.000 I've enjoyed the discussion, everybody.

00:49:15.000 And I will just make one parting thing.

00:49:17.000 Sure.

00:49:18.000 Thank you guys for a respectful conversation, even though we see things very differently.

00:49:22.000 And I hope the chat enjoyed it.

00:49:24.000 Look, for whatever it's worth, if you're engaged in the creation of that content, I think God has a better plan for you.

00:49:31.000 I know that might sound preachy and not what you want to hear, but just maybe you'll have an encounter with God, and Jesus loves all of you, and he can transform your life.

00:49:39.000 He transformed my life.

00:49:40.000 I've had a lot of problems in my life, a lot of problems, and Jesus solves everything.

00:49:45.000 And every day is a new day, and it's a hopeful, beautiful life ahead of you.

00:49:49.000 And I know that might not be something you even believe, and you might think that all Christians hate you and your way of life and all those sorts of things.

00:49:57.000 Some of them do.

00:49:58.000 Well, I'll say this.

00:49:59.000 I'm a pretty firm believing, outspoken Christian, and God loves every single one of us.

00:50:03.000 We're all sinners.

00:50:04.000 And Jesus died.

00:50:06.000 I mean, you've definitely been the most respectful one that I've seen.

00:50:09.000 Well, thank you.

00:50:09.000 That's very kind.

00:50:11.000 And I can tell you, it's not me.

00:50:13.000 If it was me, I'd be yelling and screaming.

00:50:15.000 It's the Holy Spirit.

00:50:16.000 It really is.

00:50:17.000 I know it might sound silly.

00:50:18.000 It might sound cliche, but Jesus has gone to work on my life.

00:50:22.000 And so, God bless you guys.

00:50:24.000 Thank you for a great day.

00:50:24.000 Charlie, thank you for coming.

00:50:26.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:50:27.000 Everybody, email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:50:29.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:50:31.000 God bless.

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Should You Date a Pro-Abortion Person?

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