The Charlie Kirk Show - Smear Campaigns and Midterm Interference with Darren Beattie and Dr. Lance Wallnau

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today at Charlie Kirk Show, Darren Beattie and Lance Wall now.

00:00:03.000 We unpack a massive lie and a smear to try to derail the Mastriano campaign in Pennsylvania.

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00:01:22.000 One of my all-time favorite people is joining the program to help us walk through one of the most frustrating, fake, artificial social media narratives that popped up over the weekend.

00:01:37.000 So it's well known that we are big fans of Doug Mastriano.

00:01:42.000 And Doug Mastriano has been accused wrongly for weeks.

00:01:46.000 This is a building synthetic narrative of him being an anti-Semite. 0.99

00:01:50.000 That is disgusting. 1.00

00:01:51.000 It is a lie from the pit of hell. 1.00

00:01:53.000 He's running up against Shapiro, who is Jewish. 0.91

00:01:56.000 So they're really trying to play up this narrative.

00:01:58.000 And it is wrong. 0.97

00:01:59.000 It's disgusting.

00:02:00.000 Anti-Semitism will not be tolerated by anybody. 0.77

00:02:04.000 And the idea that they're trying to act as if Mastriano tolerates it is just awful. 0.97

00:02:09.000 It's disgusting.

00:02:10.000 So therefore, so, and not therefore, then what ended up happening is Doug Mastriano does this event.

00:02:15.000 He's running for governor of Pennsylvania, for those of you in the national audience, very important race.

00:02:20.000 And he does a prayer.

00:02:22.000 Now, for those of you that might be in Presbyterian or Episcopalian or Catholic circles, I know it might be unusual to see people raise their hands when they pray.

00:02:31.000 No offense to our wonderful Catholics out there.

00:02:34.000 But it's very common in Pentecostal circles.

00:02:37.000 In fact, it happened all the time.

00:02:38.000 And it is done to feel the Holy Spirit.

00:02:40.000 And it is a physical representation to show that you're touching up towards the divine.

00:02:44.000 It's not only appropriate.

00:02:45.000 In fact, there are verses that support it.

00:02:49.000 And in evangelical circles in particular, not just Pentecostal circles, but in Pentecostal, it's done more than not.

00:02:54.000 The point being, Christian circles, non-denominational, Protestant circles, it's done all the time.

00:03:00.000 And so what ends up happening is this snake, Tristan Snell, comes out on Twitter and says, this is a Nazi salute.

00:03:12.000 People praying at a Doug Mastriano campaign event in Pennsylvania.

00:03:17.000 Democracy is literally on the ballot in 2022.

00:03:22.000 It ends up getting 3.6 million views on Twitter.

00:03:28.000 3.6 million views.

00:03:31.000 It is fake.

00:03:32.000 It is wrong.

00:03:33.000 And it's this Ron Filipikowski guy who started it.

00:03:39.000 On Twitter, for 3.6 million views, they show people with their hands raised praying and saying it's a Heil Hitler ceremony.

00:03:48.000 Let's show the video, then we'll bring in Lance Wall now.

00:03:51.000 Let's play cut three and then 21.

00:03:53.000 Let's play cut three first.

00:03:55.000 Legano three will bring our hand down as one.

00:03:58.000 Father, I pray that indeed Pennsylvania will be like Little Roundtop and America will have a new birth of liberty.

00:04:07.000 This morning the count is to me.

00:04:08.000 One, two, three.

00:04:12.000 Let's welcome Lance Walmell.

00:04:14.000 Lance, welcome to the program.

00:04:15.000 Charlie, it's good to see you.

00:04:17.000 And honestly, this is funnier than people think.

00:04:21.000 First of all, I'm a 20% Ashkenazi Jew.

00:04:24.000 I come from a long line of rabbis on my father's side.

00:04:27.000 And I've got a sister who's an Israeli and wants me to be a citizen over there. 0.75

00:04:32.000 This is the most ingenious strategy. 0.63

00:04:34.000 The anti-Semites in America bringing in the part Jewish people to help seal the deal with a Nazi salute. 0.97

00:04:44.000 For our audience out there, Lance, it's so disgusting and gross what they're saying that they're doing a prayer and they call it a Hitler salute. 0.97

00:04:53.000 Walk us through that. 0.93

00:04:54.000 It's worse than that.

00:04:55.000 It's worse than that.

00:04:56.000 I wasn't even leading a prayer.

00:04:57.000 I have to be honest with you.

00:04:58.000 Even that narrative needs to be cleaned up a little bit.

00:05:01.000 I would say, I said to the people, I said, hey, do you know that we're on the Chambersburg Pike?

00:05:08.000 We're only miles away from where the Battle of Gettysburg was fought.

00:05:11.000 And on that fateful second day of the Battle of Gettysburg, the fate of the Union was being decided.

00:05:15.000 And I was pointing out how this midterm election is kind of like our Gettysburg moment.

00:05:20.000 If we don't succeed in doing what we have to do, listen to your show.

00:05:23.000 Every day we're finding out that the institutions are collapsing.

00:05:27.000 We have to go seize Little Roundtop.

00:05:29.000 Little Roundtop was the objective of the second day of the Battle of Gettysburg.

00:05:33.000 It's a little round.

00:05:34.000 It's a little mountain.

00:05:35.000 There was a colonel who occupied that who was a Christian named Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain.

00:05:41.000 He was holding that little mountain.

00:05:42.000 He was told, you cannot give this up no matter what.

00:05:45.000 It's the lynchpin of the Union position.

00:05:47.000 If we give this up, Lee will mow down the entire Union line.

00:05:51.000 He'll march on Harrisburg.

00:05:52.000 He'll take the Capitol.

00:05:54.000 And Lincoln will be forced to have to sue for peace.

00:05:57.000 Chamberlain, desperate at the end of the day, Charlie, as this Colonel Oaks, this division is coming up over the hill.

00:06:05.000 Now, I'm telling the story.

00:06:06.000 I'm telling you, this is what I'm saying on the platform.

00:06:09.000 As the Alabama regiment is about to come and sweep over the top of the mountain, Chamberlain hears, you're out of bullets.

00:06:17.000 You're out of bullets.

00:06:18.000 And he prays.

00:06:19.000 He says, my God, what do I do?

00:06:20.000 We have no bullets.

00:06:22.000 And he gets a word, a thought, fix bayonets, because they can't retreat and they can't hold a position.

00:06:27.000 They have to go on the offense.

00:06:29.000 When they have no bullets, the only thing they could do is go on the offense.

00:06:33.000 He says to them, I want you to swing around behind me on this mountain.

00:06:39.000 And when we line up as one, we will move together in unity.

00:06:44.000 And we will come and sweep down the mountain as one.

00:06:48.000 And so they swept down the mountain as one.

00:06:51.000 And because part of the army comes up at the top and sweeps down, the Alabama division is coming up at the same time.

00:06:57.000 They look over their corner, their eyes, and they see bayonets coming from their side.

00:07:02.000 And they think an entirely new division has just joined the battle.

00:07:05.000 They surrender en masse and surrender their position.

00:07:09.000 As the sun set, the word got out.

00:07:12.000 This wasn't a new division.

00:07:14.000 This was the desperate last stand of a united Union force unwilling to give up Little Roundtop.

00:07:21.000 They had no bullets.

00:07:22.000 When Lee heard that, he said, I came this close to winning.

00:07:26.000 The next day he committed his troops to Pickett's Charge, the biggest military blunder of his career.

00:07:31.000 It was the high watermark and the turning point of the battle of the Civil War.

00:07:35.000 So I told the people, we have another Christian. 0.63

00:07:38.000 We have another colonel.

00:07:39.000 We are here in proximity to Gettysburg.

00:07:42.000 We are on Little Roundtop.

00:07:44.000 And what happens in Little Roundtop in Arizona and in Georgia and in Pennsylvania is the Gettysburg battles that are going to determine the future of America.

00:07:53.000 And I said, let's pray to God right now that we will move in unity and not be intimidated by our enemies.

00:07:58.000 Put your hand up in the air on the count of three.

00:08:01.000 Father, I pray that you will grant to us unity and courage to move as one.

00:08:05.000 On the count of three, let's say as one.

00:08:07.000 One, two, three, as one.

00:08:09.000 That was what I said.

00:08:10.000 And I've done this a thousand times in different rallies. 0.81

00:08:13.000 But to people that are anxious to find the Nazi salute, they'll even put a Jewish person at the epicenter of it.

00:08:21.000 But it shows how absurd the tactics are. 0.60

00:08:24.000 And I say at a certain point, it's so bad, it's laughable.

00:08:27.000 And if it's laughable, it's a point of satire.

00:08:30.000 And we just got to lighten up and realize they're desperate.

00:08:32.000 Oh, they're desperate.

00:08:33.000 No, I love your approach.

00:08:36.000 It's whimsical and appropriate.

00:08:37.000 I'm just angrier than you are, Lance, because this stuff does end up manifesting in social media bans, in debanking campaigns.

00:08:47.000 And there are people that believe this balderdash, Lance.

00:08:50.000 Oh, this is the thing that gets me the craziest.

00:08:53.000 3.5 million people.

00:08:55.000 Now, here's the weird part.

00:08:56.000 You want to talk about mass psychology, mass formation psychology.

00:09:00.000 How could 3.5 million people read the transcript and listen to what I actually said?

00:09:04.000 Yes.

00:09:04.000 And conclude that it's a Nazi salute.

00:09:06.000 I'm even praying.

00:09:07.000 Oh, Father, we pray that you would grant us clergy up there as one. 1.00

00:09:12.000 Then what's even funnier is that Amish people.

00:09:14.000 You know, the Amish people are not exactly the most militant people. 1.00

00:09:17.000 It was probably one of the weakest as ones I've ever seen.

00:09:20.000 But for the Amish people, it was a big effort.

00:09:22.000 So, you know, I'm encouraging them. 0.94

00:09:23.000 But it doesn't matter.

00:09:24.000 People could hear the transcript.

00:09:26.000 They could read it.

00:09:27.000 And if they want to hear Nazi, even if Ben Shapiro, if they want to accuse Ben Shapiro of being a Nazi theft, they'll come up with it.

00:09:33.000 But that shows how bizarre they are.

00:09:35.000 And it's a lie.

00:09:36.000 And by the way, Twitter has not taken down that tweet.

00:09:39.000 It is disinformation.

00:09:41.000 It is misinformation.

00:09:42.000 It is artificial.

00:09:43.000 It is fake.

00:09:44.000 And it's up there with 3.6 million views.

00:09:47.000 It's reprehensible.

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00:10:47.000 How do you see things in the midterms?

00:10:49.000 And let me just, I think you're the best person to answer this.

00:10:52.000 We get some emails every so often, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:10:55.000 Charlie loved the show.

00:10:57.000 But my friends, my community, my pastor says we shouldn't care about politics.

00:11:01.000 Lance, should Christians care about the midterm elections?

00:11:05.000 My gosh, what's the matter with us who are asking questions like that? 0.58

00:11:11.000 Christians care about politics.

00:11:12.000 I get these questions a lot, Lance, all the time. 0.99

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00:11:19.000 That's exactly right.

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00:11:32.000 I'm telling you, I think that's what Tristan Snell's problem is.

00:11:35.000 He needs some rough greens with an antioxidant.

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00:11:45.000 Lance, but Christians say all the time, Charlie, I don't want to get involved in politics. 0.92

00:11:51.000 I don't care about politics.

00:11:52.000 I just care about the gospel.

00:11:53.000 This is important.

00:11:53.000 We got a big Christian audience.

00:11:54.000 What do you say?

00:11:55.000 What do you say?

00:11:55.000 Yeah, let's get this straight, people.

00:11:57.000 So I heard you.

00:11:58.000 Actually, you gave me the great line, Charlie.

00:12:00.000 It's like, okay, you're not into politics.

00:12:02.000 Are you still into morality?

00:12:04.000 You need to get your Bible.

00:12:06.000 Are you into this anymore?

00:12:07.000 Are you into the biblical morality?

00:12:09.000 I mean, pick a sub, any page at all, pick a number, pick a number, any page.

00:12:13.000 Just give me some, give me some teaching from that book because the translation of it is: there are morals, there are ethics, there are values that we should be teaching, and that we should be a people.

00:12:24.000 You know what Jesus warned?

00:12:26.000 He warned that if we go in the direction these clergy are taking us, you will be despised and you will be trodden underfoot of men.

00:12:34.000 If you are not salt, if you're not an interesting, engaging, winsome, at times agitating contrast to the world around you, if you don't challenge the culture in an interesting way and get it thinking, they will despise you.

00:12:48.000 They will treat you as though you're irrelevant.

00:12:51.000 And that's part of the reason why I find this.

00:12:53.000 Listen, man, the way that they treat us now in the media, but then your show, you're covering stuff in some recent interviews you've done, like with Manaford.

00:13:02.000 Look at how they deal with our people from Mike Flynn to Manaford to Papadopoulos, Roger Stone, January 6th.

00:13:09.000 This is American citizens.

00:13:10.000 These pastors are shepherds.

00:13:12.000 Your job is to protect your flock.

00:13:14.000 You're not doing your job if you're not preparing them to civically engage and build a wall of protection around the people of faith.

00:13:23.000 You're a lousy shepherd if you're not protecting your church.

00:13:26.000 Amen.

00:13:27.000 So then they say, well, it's not clear which political party we should support, Lance.

00:13:33.000 It's clearly, and I just had this discussion with a biblical scholar, and I had to, I had that, actually, actually wasn't a biblical scholar, the BBC.

00:13:41.000 Forgive me for this.

00:13:42.000 You're a biblical scholar.

00:13:43.000 A complete son of a biblical scholar.

00:13:46.000 A complete gap in that connection.

00:13:49.000 But it was, I had the same conversation with a Bible scholar and the BBC.

00:13:52.000 Here's what they said.

00:13:53.000 How can you support Trump?

00:13:54.000 They always want to go to the candidate and the smearing tug.

00:13:57.000 Here's what I tell them.

00:13:58.000 I said, let's get it straight, people.

00:14:00.000 It starts with principles.

00:14:02.000 You've got to have a certain bedrock sense of principles that you believe in.

00:14:07.000 And then from principles comes policies.

00:14:09.000 Then from policies comes a platform.

00:14:12.000 And then from a platform comes an electable personality.

00:14:15.000 Everybody wants to start with Gavin Newsom looks so photogenic.

00:14:20.000 How shallow can you get?

00:14:21.000 You're voting for somebody because you like his hair gel.

00:14:24.000 What kind of a country are we going to have with people like this?

00:14:27.000 You start with the principles.

00:14:28.000 And the pastor has got to lay the principles and then talk about the policies that come out of Christian worldview.

00:14:36.000 And then which party has a platform that reflects the principles of a Christian worldview?

00:14:42.000 Charlie, if we can't get it, that's so simple.

00:14:44.000 It's three steps before you get to the debate about the personality.

00:14:49.000 Seems awfully clear.

00:14:50.000 What is your prediction of what's going to happen in November?

00:14:53.000 Well, you know how it happens.

00:14:55.000 So everybody gets all excited about the red tsunami.

00:14:57.000 And then when it doesn't come, they're all backpedaling.

00:15:00.000 Here's what I think. 0.99

00:15:00.000 I think like there's those 3.5 million people that are watching that stupid Twitter thing that's saying that I'm doing a Nazi salute, even though I'm part Jewish. 0.99

00:15:07.000 Here's what I think. 0.99

00:15:08.000 I think the left is just listening to themselves.

00:15:11.000 I believe that the Elon Musks and the Joe Rogans, I think there's a whole group out there that are a great canary in the coal mine in terms of where the independents and where the Democrats and where the non-politically aligned people are.

00:15:25.000 I think that they're coming out for us.

00:15:26.000 That's why the attack is so vicious and so foul right now to try to smear MAGA candidates.

00:15:32.000 The good news is nobody really respects media.

00:15:34.000 So as much as they talk, nobody's listening to them.

00:15:37.000 So I believe we're going to see a victory.

00:15:39.000 But we've got to look at the Senate.

00:15:41.000 We have to get the guy.

00:15:42.000 The House is there.

00:15:43.000 We've got to get the Senate.

00:15:45.000 We have to get these guys over the finish line, Charlie.

00:15:47.000 That's why I'm going out on the campaign trail and doing what I can do to help them.

00:15:51.000 Amen.

00:15:51.000 Lance Wannell, everybody.

00:15:52.000 Lance, you're welcome back anytime.

00:15:54.000 Thanks so much.

00:15:55.000 Love you, Charlie.

00:15:56.000 Thank you.

00:15:56.000 God bless you.

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00:16:52.000 Joining us now is Darren Beattie from Revolver.news.

00:16:56.000 Darren, welcome back to the program.

00:16:58.000 Excellent to be back, as always.

00:17:00.000 So, Darren, thank you.

00:17:01.000 So, I want to talk to you about this one particular story.

00:17:04.000 Is it true that the federal beer investigation is misrepresenting what might be considered white supremacy arrests or incidents in their reports to make it seem as if there's a bigger problem than there actually is?

00:17:16.000 Walk us through this story.

00:17:18.000 Well, it certainly seems that way on the basis of whistleblower accounts.

00:17:22.000 And just to contextualize all of this, this alleged national security threat posed by white supremacy dates back to really the Trump presidency, where the DHS, the Department of Homeland Security, which is a national security bureaucracy set up in the aftermath of 9-11 to protect us against foreign terrorism, declared that white supremacy was the number one threat.

00:17:50.000 And since the DHS declared this, a number of other national security institutions have followed suit.

00:17:56.000 Now, evidently, the FBI is getting on board.

00:18:00.000 And the problem with white supremacy is there's just not the supply to meet the demand.

00:18:05.000 And so it has to be manufactured.

00:18:08.000 And it can be manufactured the kind of laborious way of actually setting up entrapment schemes like what we see the FBI did in the Michigan Whitmer case.

00:18:20.000 But the easier way to do it is just cook the books and manufacture the numbers and count certain things as white supremacist terror when they really have nothing to do with it to feed into the desired narrative.

00:18:32.000 The desired narrative being our number one threat is white supremacist terror. 0.53

00:18:37.000 And by that, they mean anyone who dares question immigration, anyone who's pro-Trump, anyone who's had enough of the corrupt and feckless Biden regime. 0.99

00:18:47.000 That's all white supremacy. 0.91

00:18:49.000 And they want to label us as domestic terrorists so they can continue to weaponize the entire machinery of our national security state against us.

00:18:58.000 And so that's really what's going on.

00:19:00.000 And I'm very glad that whistleblowers are starting to come out and expose the truth of just how dirty and corrupt these institutions like the FBI really are.

00:19:10.000 And so speaking of whistleblowers, and we made this point last week, which is every time you focus on issuing a subpoena to a Trump supporter, by definition, in a world of limited time, energy, and resources, you must allocate in a hierarchy of what you value.

00:19:24.000 You must then turn your back on something else or you must disregard something else.

00:19:27.000 We made a whole show on that last week, and it turns out we were totally right.

00:19:32.000 The FBI is moving agents off of child sex abuse cases to investigate domestic violent extremism.

00:19:39.000 So, Darren, the FBI is no longer allocating resources on child sex abuse, but they are allocating people on this idea of fake electors.

00:19:49.000 Walk us through this.

00:19:52.000 Well, yeah, I mean, it just stands to reason.

00:19:54.000 There's only a limited amount of time, a limited amount of resources, and it's all a question of prioritization.

00:20:01.000 And from the standpoint of a politicized and corrupt FBI, reinforcing the politically useful narrative of casting the enemies of the Democrats as national security threats is far more valuable use of their time than just routine policing of criminality, even the most heinous forms of criminality, such as child abuse.

00:20:26.000 And so just stands to reason.

00:20:29.000 The political objectives supersede all other objectives because it's through the political narrative that they maintain their power.

00:20:37.000 Yeah, so let's talk about how the FBI has and has a track record of and federal law enforcement of infiltrating groups.

00:20:45.000 You've done probably the best reporting on the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping situation.

00:20:49.000 Refresh our audience on that because I'm afraid that there might be a midterm intervention on behalf of federal law enforcement into MAGA groups to create something that is synthetic and artificial.

00:21:00.000 Your thoughts, Darren.

00:21:02.000 Absolutely.

00:21:03.000 And I have to commend you for your excellent op-ed that was running Revolver warning about this exact type of scenario.

00:21:10.000 I think the silver lining of the Michigan entrapment hoax operation, and just to refresh people's memories, this was the biggest story.

00:21:19.000 This is the biggest national security story in the country for a long time.

00:21:24.000 It was conveniently timed to coincide, like basically the month before the presidential election in November.

00:21:31.000 They arrested all of these so-called plotters around October, convenient political timing.

00:21:38.000 And it was the biggest domestic national security story in recent history.

00:21:43.000 And they said, oh, these domestic MAGA-adjacent terrorists are trying to kidnap and possibly murder the governor.

00:21:51.000 Well, it turns out, as we've learned through the course of the trial, that majority of these so-called plotters were either federal agents or federal informants.

00:22:05.000 And even more outrageously, every single critical step of this so-called plot was undertaken not by the alleged plotters, but by either the informants or the agents themselves.

00:22:20.000 And that goes from the meetings through which the people met each other, the suggestion that they use explosives, the instruction on how to manufacture explosives, giving them money in order to buy explosives, and they didn't even want to buy the explosives.

00:22:38.000 The culmination of the whole sordid affair, there's they're driving in a car, the driver of the car is a Fed, driving the defendant to another Fed who's an undercover explosive person.

00:22:54.000 And the defendants didn't even bring the amount of money that they would have needed in order to buy the explosives.

00:22:59.000 It's an important thing, though, Darren.

00:23:01.000 I want to just pause you for a second here that our audience needs to understand.

00:23:04.000 We're not defending people that might be involved in this stuff, but it buzzed by the question, Darren, would it have happened without the federal government's involvement?

00:23:12.000 I mean, I think in the specific case of the Michigan scenario, the answer is clearly no.

00:23:18.000 And I think it was right before an election, remember?

00:23:20.000 They did and they announced this, and then it all came out.

00:23:23.000 And so it does beg a question: are they currently provoking, infiltrating, instigating, or sometimes outright plotting and planning?

00:23:35.000 Darren, what is the law when it comes to the FBI?

00:23:38.000 Are they able to infiltrate anything for any time?

00:23:40.000 Do they have to disclose any of this? 1.00

00:23:42.000 I mean, this is why you've brilliantly been calling for kind of a church and pike committee equivalent. 1.00

00:23:47.000 We call it the Jordan Hawley Committee, kind of the Jim Jordan, Josh Hawley, which would be kind of a 2.0. 1.00

00:23:53.000 Darren, that's an example of how the FBI can make, it was a majority federal event.

00:23:59.000 It wasn't like it was one informant, right?

00:24:00.000 It'd be one thing, okay, if it was one guy and it was 30 cartel members or something and he's informing.

00:24:06.000 No, this is the plotting, the planning, the driving, the execution, the transportation, right?

00:24:10.000 And what's going on here?

00:24:11.000 Well, you're absolutely right.

00:24:13.000 I mean, entrapment is a very specific type of action.

00:24:18.000 Entrapment is not the feds having an agent or informant embedding himself in these groups and just quietly watching, seeing what they're doing and preventing something that could be catastrophic.

00:24:30.000 What entrapment is, is what happened in the Michigan case, which is proactive involvement to the degree that there wouldn't even be a plot to prevent had it not been for the active steps undertaken by feds and their informants, who have an absolute, the informants have an absolute financial incentive to do so, and the feds have a political incentive to do so.

00:24:52.000 Because again, as you're saying, the demand far exceeds the supply when it comes to not only white supremacist ideology, but also the types of so-called domestic terror threats that feed into the narrative that anyone who's adjacent to Trump needs to be crushed by the national security apparatus.

00:25:12.000 Yeah, and that's, I think, the most troubling development for a lot of conservatives because, Darren, there's this tension, and maybe you can walk us through this, the difference between local police and national police, is that we do like order.

00:25:27.000 We want things to be policed.

00:25:30.000 But now we're without a shadow of a doubt, this has now become a Soviet-style institution with a primary focus of exterminating political dissidents.

00:25:43.000 And so, Darren, can you help reconcile for some of our audience that's struggling with how do I support my local police?

00:25:49.000 How do I support the people that are doing a good job or not?

00:25:52.000 Or are they all bad versus this sort of operation at the top levels of the Bureau?

00:25:57.000 No, it's a great question.

00:25:58.000 And I mean, I think the tension really runs to a very deep and core level of the political psychology of the right, which, as you say, the right, unlike the left, which to be generous to the left, they like to think of themselves as criticizing corrupt institutions of authority.

00:26:18.000 I think that's very generous, Darren.

00:26:20.000 Whereas the right likes to think of itself as venerating just institutions of authority.

00:26:26.000 And so the question is: what do you do when these authoritative institutions have become not only corrupt, but actively hostile and weaponized against the right itself?

00:26:35.000 That's a very difficult position to be in.

00:26:39.000 I think part of the answer to that is that there's no fealty or loyalty or obligation owed to institutions as such.

00:26:48.000 We want to support what is right, what is just, and be against what is corrupt.

00:26:55.000 And insofar as the FBI is corrupt, we have to work against it.

00:27:00.000 Insofar as the local police are not corrupt, we support them.

00:27:04.000 And so what happens when an institution is so corrupt that it's basically not even salvageable, which could very well be the case for the FBI?

00:27:14.000 Well, then we have to get into the minutiae of, well, what do you do with a bureaucracy that's in that state?

00:27:20.000 And I had a conversation with Congressman Gates about this.

00:27:24.000 I think it's hard because the people with the sort of deep institutional knowledge that's required to really overhaul an institution like the FBI, the people with that level of institutional knowledge are typically on the wrong side of the battle here.

00:27:43.000 And there are a lot of people who just understand, oh, the FBI is corrupt.

00:27:47.000 Oh, the FBI is basically borderline illegitimate at this point.

00:27:50.000 It's functioning as a Gestapo for the Biden regime, the Democrats, and so forth.

00:27:54.000 All of that is mostly true, but it's the indignation is not enough.

00:27:59.000 I think to really do something meaningful, it requires a kind of expertise, institutional knowledge, a sensitivity to that ecology that exists within Washington, that economy of favors, IOUs, and leverage that you really need to get anything done on a deep level.

00:28:21.000 So, Darren, I don't know if you heard that list of five things of potential things Democrats could do to interrupt the midterm elections.

00:28:27.000 Do you have any thoughts on that January 6th committee report in looming indictments, ballots and mules, social media suppression and intervention, and also a federal event infiltrated MAGA groups?

00:28:38.000 Pick any one of the five if you want of what you think might be a big threat that could stop a looming red wave.

00:28:44.000 Well, I think all of those are a distinct possibility, and some of them feed into each other.

00:28:48.000 For instance, the very live possibility of an indictment of, say, Donald Trump could serve as a pretext for some kind of attack that the regime would then blame on MAGA supporters.

00:29:07.000 That's a very real scenario that I could see.

00:29:09.000 And of course, social media censorship is always not only a live possibility, but a very distinct reality that tends to experience acceleration in the immediate months before a major political event, as we saw the big censorship of the Hunter Biden story, which is the most notorious.

00:29:32.000 But there are many other examples.

00:29:34.000 And so that's always something to look out for.

00:29:36.000 That is, you know, it's funny, there's a lot of conversation about election fraud, and I think it's entirely legitimate and healthy to have that conversation.

00:29:45.000 But really, I think the extreme social media censorship and just how asymmetrical it is with respect to viewpoint, I think that in itself is really a version of election fraud that perhaps supersedes the more direct versions that we tend to talk about.

00:30:03.000 It makes it very difficult to have a broadly informed citizenry when the major platforms of mass communication are favoring so strongly one side over the other.

00:30:18.000 And so ultimately, this needs to be addressed.

00:30:21.000 There are some encouraging signs from a recent Court of Appeals decision that you might be aware of.

00:30:29.000 But it's a major problem.

00:30:32.000 It's a major bottleneck that has to be done.

00:30:34.000 Tell our audience about that Court of Appeals decision.

00:30:37.000 Yeah, so in a nutshell, Texas basically passed a law saying that social media companies of a certain size, I think it's over 50 million users, can't engage in certain forms of viewpoint-oriented censorship.

00:30:55.000 And that's gone through the courts.

00:30:57.000 There is, I think, a district court that put an injunction on it.

00:31:00.000 So stop the law.

00:31:02.000 The Supreme Court actually chimed in a couple months ago and said, okay, we're enjoining the law for now, meaning it doesn't, it's not taken into effect.

00:31:12.000 Interestingly enough, Elena Kagan was actually on the good side, and Barrett and Kavanaugh were on the bad side, at least insofar as that specific injunction goes.

00:31:26.000 Now, most recently, there was an actual opinion in the Court of Appeals based in New Orleans, I think it's the Fifth Circuit, basically upholding the law.

00:31:38.000 And so the decision itself was very sound.

00:31:42.000 It reflects a lot of the things that we've been saying in terms of: look, you know, if you're basically a common carrier, if you're of a certain size, if you play such a role in mass communication, then it's entirely legitimate for a state to pass a law of this sort, given the way that the internet is already regulated.

00:32:03.000 But really, it's going to come down to the Supreme Court, which is going to take the case.

00:32:08.000 And I expect that while the Supreme Court is hearing it, there's going to be this injunction reinstated.

00:32:16.000 So the law won't be in effect either way until the Supreme Court makes the decision.

00:32:21.000 But hopefully the Supreme Court will follow the reasoning expressed in the Court of Appeals decision.

00:32:28.000 And if the Supreme Court actually does the right thing on this, which is a big if, now keep in mind, Kavanaugh and Barrett were not on the right side as far as the specific injunction goes.

00:32:41.000 That's right.

00:32:43.000 Maybe they've had the time to reconsider.

00:32:46.000 Maybe they've had the chance to look at the reasoning in the appeals court decision and have been persuaded by it.

00:32:53.000 I think they can be.

00:32:54.000 And by the way, I don't want to pick just on Kavanaugh and Barrett.

00:32:57.000 Sometimes Gorsuch is bad.

00:32:58.000 Gorsuch was really bad on this.

00:33:00.000 Hugely.

00:33:00.000 Yeah, we've written about him too.

00:33:02.000 Yeah, it's all over the map.

00:33:04.000 They all have their issues.

00:33:05.000 And Kavanaugh is actually the best on immigration.

00:33:07.000 Gorsuch, wildly awful on immigration, but Gorsuch has actually been pretty good on this particular issue.

00:33:12.000 We'll see.

00:33:13.000 But no one, they all pale in comparison to Clarence Thomas and Alito.

00:33:16.000 They have been fabulous, terrific, and courageous.

00:33:19.000 Darren Red of Time, Revolver.news.

00:33:21.000 Really great summary.

00:33:22.000 Great job as always.

00:33:23.000 Thank you.

00:33:26.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:33:27.000 Email me your thoughts as always.

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00:33:30.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:33:32.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - September 21, 2022

Smear Campaigns and Midterm Interference with Darren Beattie and Dr. Lance Wallnau

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