The Charlie Kirk Show - Some GOOD NEWS in the Fight for Life with Lila Rose

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00:01:52.000 Hey, everybody.

00:01:52.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:54.000 With us today is a friend of mine, Lila Rose, who is the author of a terrific new book.

00:01:59.000 I have to say, it is the most amazing packaging I have ever seen when it comes to a book, Fighting for Life by Lila Rose.

00:02:08.000 And I am also a proud monthly donor to Live Action.

00:02:11.000 I think it is the only other nonprofit I support personally because the fight for life is so important and Lila does such an amazing job.

00:02:20.000 Lila, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:02:23.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:02:24.000 And you are awesome.

00:02:25.000 We are so grateful for your support and very grateful for the work you're doing.

00:02:28.000 Well, thank you so much.

00:02:30.000 So we talk about the life issue a lot here on this program, and it is not our sole focus, but it is part of our worldview.

00:02:37.000 Just introduce yourself a little bit to our audience.

00:02:40.000 And I want to get into your terrific book, Fighting for Life, but just introduce yourself to our audience.

00:02:46.000 I'd love to.

00:02:47.000 So I lead live action, as you mentioned.

00:02:49.000 We are the global educational leader for the pro-life movement.

00:02:53.000 So that means we are reaching 15 plus million people weekly with the truth about human dignity, the violence of abortion.

00:02:59.000 We promote motherhood and fatherhood.

00:03:01.000 And I started it actually 15 years ago as a teenager.

00:03:04.000 So I've been doing this my whole adult life.

00:03:08.000 And I began it because I just was heartbroken at discovering abortion, became very passionate and convicted that I had to do something.

00:03:15.000 And then it's just been a crazy journey since.

00:03:17.000 And the goal is complete legal protection for the pre-born and just changing culture so that people respect and revere human life and love it.

00:03:24.000 And then besides that, I'm also now an author with Fighting for Life, the new book.

00:03:28.000 And most importantly, though, I am a wife and a mom, and I am a Christian.

00:03:33.000 So those are the top things, but it's just an honor to be part of this fight, and it's a fight for all of us.

00:03:38.000 I totally agree.

00:03:39.000 And I really believe this.

00:03:41.000 Media Matters hates when I say this.

00:03:43.000 I'm going to say it again.

00:03:44.000 We are going to get rid of abortion like we got rid of slavery in this country. 0.89

00:03:48.000 It's going to happen. 0.86

00:03:49.000 And they are moral equivalents.

00:03:51.000 And they hate when you say that because it's true.

00:03:55.000 And so you wrote this terrific book.

00:03:57.000 Haven't finished it yet.

00:03:58.000 Fighting for life and becoming a force for change in a wounded world.

00:04:04.000 Before we get into this, can you comment on the pro-life movement in general?

00:04:07.000 A lot of our listeners, they are pro-life, but they're not necessarily optimistically pro-life.

00:04:13.000 What are your thoughts on the trajectory of the pro-life movement?

00:04:16.000 Are we seeing progress?

00:04:18.000 And I can understand that because, I mean, look who's president.

00:04:20.000 The Biden administration is the most pro-abortion administration ever.

00:04:25.000 I mean, even under Obama, Biden, as vice president, was opposing the Hyde Amendment, was supporting the Hyde Amendment.

00:04:31.000 Sorry.

00:04:32.000 So he actually supported restricting taxpayer money from funding abortions directly.

00:04:37.000 He's changed all that.

00:04:38.000 Now, as the president of the United States, he's saying you as the taxpayer should pay for abortions, even through all nine months on children that can survive outside the womb.

00:04:46.000 So it's just horrific.

00:04:47.000 He also has put his some really crooked politicians who are not just pro-abortion, but they use the power of the state to go after pro-lifers.

00:04:57.000 So Kamala Harris, when she was attorney general in California, I'm from California.

00:05:01.000 I watched this happen firsthand.

00:05:02.000 My good friend David DeLeiden used to work with me in Live Action doing undercover investigations of Planned Parenthood.

00:05:08.000 She actually sent state agents to raid his home and steal his laptops, which showed Planned Parenthood's misdeeds.

00:05:15.000 And this is when she was getting campaign finance or campaign money from Planned Parenthood.

00:05:18.000 And then she goes on now to be VP.

00:05:20.000 And then Xavier Becerra, our new head of health and human services.

00:05:24.000 So he's this top dog in health, like Fauci.

00:05:27.000 He has no medical background whatsoever.

00:05:29.000 And he then prosecuted when he was attorney general, David and other pro-lifers.

00:05:34.000 So, anyways, people know it's dire at the federal level, but actually, there's some really good news.

00:05:39.000 I have great news for everyone.

00:05:41.000 Despite the fact that the media is so pro-abortion, politics is so pro-abortion, in the last two years, there have been unprecedented pro-life legislation at the state level, over 600 bills.

00:05:52.000 Dozens of them have passed and made it into law at the state level.

00:05:56.000 There have been an abortion decline that's unprecedented in the last 10 years.

00:06:00.000 Every year, the abortion rate goes down.

00:06:02.000 So more people are choosing life.

00:06:04.000 And then what I'm privileged to see daily through the work of live action, the work we do with young people, is more and more young people becoming pro-life.

00:06:13.000 I mean, hearts and minds do change.

00:06:15.000 The culture has gotten so crazy.

00:06:17.000 And I think people deep down, they're uncomfortable with it.

00:06:21.000 And when they find out about abortion, they are really disturbed when they actually have the opportunity to be educated.

00:06:27.000 You know, you learn about fetal development, embryonic development, a baby's heart starts beating at just three and a half weeks after fertilization.

00:06:36.000 Most women don't even know they're pregnant yet.

00:06:39.000 And when people discover this brainwaves at just six weeks, and every abortion is killing a beating heart, ending a beating heart, when people learn this, especially younger people we see, they do open their minds.

00:06:50.000 They are concerned.

00:06:51.000 And then the other thing, Charlie, is I see this shift beginning to happen because this whole sexual gratification culture, which says that you should have sex between two adults with consent.

00:07:03.000 It's about pleasure.

00:07:04.000 And that's all it's about.

00:07:05.000 Consent, pleasure, what you want on your terms. 0.67

00:07:08.000 And if you get pregnant, no responsibility, right? 1.00

00:07:10.000 Just have an abortion. 1.00

00:07:12.000 That's what you should do.

00:07:13.000 I think that that mentality, that behavior, ultimately isn't making people happy.

00:07:19.000 You know, the STI rate is sky high.

00:07:21.000 Pornography use and addiction is sky high.

00:07:24.000 All the mental health disorders that come with unhappy relationships, quite frankly, are climbing.

00:07:30.000 So I think there's also a change that's ripe to happen in our country where people are seeing this culture is not making people happy. 0.73

00:07:39.000 And the abortion culture is vicious and brutal. 0.91

00:07:42.000 And we should do something different. 0.93

00:07:45.000 You know, we have, we can do something better.

00:07:47.000 And that's why I'm extremely hopeful that we can abolish abortion and that the tipping points are the turning points as you're working so hard on are coming and are happening right now. 0.63

00:07:59.000 And I think that we have to make our goal clear to abolish abortion the same way that it was the goal to abolish slavery back in the 1800s. 0.65

00:08:08.000 And the more I study and learn about abortion, you're the expert. 0.52

00:08:10.000 And I'm going to actually ask you some questions because I get my timetable screwed up sometimes of weeks throughout the trimester period.

00:08:18.000 I know it pretty well, but you're the expert.

00:08:20.000 It's so horrific and it's bad for everyone involved.

00:08:23.000 I want to ask you about David, though.

00:08:25.000 So I've talked about David before.

00:08:26.000 He's still facing charges.

00:08:28.000 Is that right?

00:08:29.000 In the state of California?

00:08:31.000 The criminal trial is starting and it's David, it's gone to trial, David DeLeiden, and Sandra Merritt being charged with multiple felonies simply for exposing planned parents selling baby body parts.

00:08:42.000 So who?

00:08:43.000 They didn't go after Planned Parenthood.

00:08:44.000 They're going after David and Sandra.

00:08:46.000 Yes.

00:08:46.000 So who's actually prosecuting?

00:08:48.000 Is it the state of California?

00:08:50.000 State.

00:08:51.000 Okay.

00:08:51.000 It's not the federal government.

00:08:53.000 It's not the federal government.

00:08:54.000 The state of California is doing this.

00:08:56.000 And I mean, they could throw them in prison.

00:08:59.000 So it's just an issue.

00:09:00.000 I think they might because that's the way the left is.

00:09:03.000 And you know my position on fighting these people.

00:09:05.000 It's just we have to fight fire with fire.

00:09:08.000 If a Republican wins the recall, I'm actually going to make my job now, and I just clicked, I'm going to go to every candidate running and say, you better commit to pardon David DeLeiden.

00:09:19.000 Absolutely.

00:09:19.000 It's like, that should be just like to get the voter support of California, a full blanket pardon for David DeLeiden.

00:09:25.000 So I'm not going to forget that because what he did honestly opened up so many eyes.

00:09:32.000 And our viewers are like, what are you talking about?

00:09:33.000 No, he actually got footage and he was very aggressive in doing it.

00:09:38.000 And, you know, he probably assumed that there would be like journalistic type protections for what he was doing.

00:09:45.000 And I think he a little bit underestimated how vicious these people are.

00:09:48.000 But he got footage of Planned Parenthood purchasing baby parts and talking about it over white wine at lunch as if they were buying auto parts to a car.

00:09:59.000 And now you can't really find those videos at times online anymore because they keep on getting taken down.

00:10:04.000 But I remember when they came out, it was front page of Drudge one after the other.

00:10:08.000 And it put Planned Parenthood on defense like never before.

00:10:10.000 Anyway, I just wanted to mention that for David because we have his back.

00:10:13.000 And I wouldn't be surprised if they throw him in prison because that's how vicious these people are.

00:10:17.000 But we're not going to let, if, if Newsom gets recalled and replaced with anyone, it has to be day one, you're going to pardon David.

00:10:23.000 Okay.

00:10:24.000 And you said the other lady with him is Sandra Merritt. 0.98

00:10:27.000 Sandra.

00:10:28.000 Sandra Merritt and David DeLeiden.

00:10:30.000 And I'm with you.

00:10:30.000 I will join you in that, Charlie.

00:10:32.000 Yeah, it's so important.

00:10:33.000 You're even going to run.

00:10:34.000 You got to promise to pardon.

00:10:35.000 I completely agree with you.

00:10:36.000 Totally, totally.

00:10:36.000 Okay.

00:10:37.000 So let's go through abortion because it's a very misunderstood topic, especially with young people out there.

00:10:43.000 So there are some young people listening to our podcast right now that will say they're pro-life, but they know very little about abortion.

00:10:50.000 And I think the true test of whether or not you're pro-life is when it kind of hits home.

00:10:55.000 And so can you walk through kind of how a baby develops?

00:10:59.000 When does life begin?

00:11:00.000 When does the heartbeat begin?

00:11:02.000 What do we know about a child?

00:11:03.000 And talk about how science is actually proving the point of the pro-life movement more and more the more we actually learn about baby development.

00:11:13.000 Sure, of course.

00:11:14.000 So I actually go through the steps of my own awareness on this in my book, Fighting for Life, and why these steps are important for all of us, because you can kind of sense, like you said, oh, abortion's wrong, or I'm uncomfortable with it.

00:11:28.000 I don't like this extremism from the left on this.

00:11:31.000 But if you're not, if you don't have the tools and the education, it's hard to really have it resonate at that deep, deep level and also feel equipped to speak on it or really any cause.

00:11:40.000 If you're not educated on a cause, you're not going to want to get into the fray, especially if it's controversial or unpopular.

00:11:46.000 And so I talk about for me learning for the first time about abortion as a young girl and discovering the death toll of abortion.

00:11:55.000 And I'll just share some facts like you asked, Charlie.

00:11:57.000 So, first of all, when life begins, when human life begins, is not a matter of opinion or religious belief.

00:12:03.000 It's a scientific fact.

00:12:04.000 And you know this if you open any biology textbook or you look at any embryologist and their specialization of understanding human life's genesis, human life begins at the moment of fertilization.

00:12:15.000 So that's when a female gamete and a male gamete, the reproductive cells from a mother and a father, a sperm and an egg, and a sperm fertilizes an egg.

00:12:23.000 And at that moment, a unique individual human life comes into existence.

00:12:27.000 That's how you and I, we all started our life.

00:12:29.000 And you have your complete genetic code.

00:12:31.000 You are self-actualizing as a cell.

00:12:34.000 So that means you're actually not just some cell that needs to be told what to do by the rest of the body.

00:12:39.000 You are the body, the entire body of a human being, and you just need time and nourishment to grow.

00:12:44.000 And within three and a half weeks, you've got a heart that's starting to beat.

00:12:47.000 It's crazy how quickly that single cell embryo grows.

00:12:51.000 Then six weeks, the brain waves are firing.

00:12:54.000 By eight and nine weeks, you're seeing arms and legs and a face for the child.

00:12:59.000 The jaw is already forming by eight weeks.

00:13:01.000 I mean, just incredible what's happening in the first trimester.

00:13:04.000 And I remember for me, when I saw for the first time as a kid, I was passionate about different issues.

00:13:10.000 I was learning and I found out about abortion by seeing for the first time a child at 10 weeks old in the first trimester when most abortions happen around that time in America.

00:13:22.000 And I saw an image of an abortion victim.

00:13:24.000 So it was a photograph of a child.

00:13:26.000 They could see arms and legs, this beautiful little face that had been torn apart by the powerful first trimester suction abortion, which is 30 to 50 times more powerful than a household vacuum.

00:13:38.000 That's what it does.

00:13:38.000 It rips the child, this developing, delicate child, into pieces.

00:13:43.000 And when I saw this, this destruction of this, you could see the life, you could see the humanity.

00:13:49.000 I was just heartbroken.

00:13:51.000 And I was just broken.

00:13:55.000 I thought, how can we allow this?

00:13:57.000 And then I learned the statistics, Charlie, at the time, 3,000 children killed legally a day in America.

00:14:06.000 The leading death toll, it's still the leading death toll today globally.

00:14:09.000 It's the leading death toll.

00:14:11.000 And I just thought, you know, I came across the words of Mother Teresa, and I share this story in the book in Fighting for Life.

00:14:16.000 Mother Teresa says, the greatest destroyer of peace in the world is abortion.

00:14:22.000 She didn't say sexism or racism or economic inequality.

00:14:26.000 She could have said a lot of things, but she chose to say it was abortion.

00:14:30.000 Wow.

00:14:31.000 Because if we kill our children, if we deprive the right to life of the most vulnerable, what are we?

00:14:37.000 You know, where's our justice?

00:14:39.000 And so that moral clarity that I had at a young age, thanks to Mother Teresa, thanks to what I was learning, you know, the research I started to do, inspired me to start live action and just say, this is the cause.

00:14:50.000 This is the fight of our day.

00:14:53.000 And the videos you guys do at Live Action are terrific and it's persuasive And it's direct, and it's not too confrontational, but it's also unapologetic.

00:14:53.000 I love that.

00:15:03.000 It's not about trying to say something that's not true, but it's also very much, it's designed in a way to try to win people over.

00:15:13.000 Lilo, I believe the pro-life movement's problem is that not enough people are aware of the facts surrounding abortion.

00:15:23.000 Do you find that to be the case that most people are just unaware that they haven't had this presented to them properly?

00:15:30.000 Yeah, I think you're spot on.

00:15:32.000 I mean, think about it.

00:15:33.000 You can go through 12 years of public education in this country and you will never once be taught that human life is sacred, that it starts in the womb, that you might learn in biology class when it begins, but then you're going to be told, oh, there's this right to have an abortion. 0.77

00:15:47.000 It's just ending a pregnancy.

00:15:48.000 You're going to be taught, you're going to be taught cognitive dissonance.

00:15:51.000 You're going to be taught to believe a lie as the truth. 0.86

00:15:54.000 I mean, they teach in our school system that abortion is a woman's right and that that's part of being a feminist and that's a good thing. 0.87

00:16:02.000 And, you know, if you're brainwashed like that, and you know, our celebrities, our media, our entertainment, you know, structure conglomerate is very pro-abortion. 0.66

00:16:10.000 You know, they're, they're regressive.

00:16:12.000 They're in the past.

00:16:13.000 They really are.

00:16:14.000 I mean, it's just, I would love to have lived, you know, in the 19th century, the time of abolition of slavery.

00:16:20.000 And, you know, the power structures were pro-slavery.

00:16:23.000 Yes. 0.51

00:16:24.000 So the fact that the power structures are pro-abortion today shouldn't scandalize us.

00:16:29.000 This is how injustice happens.

00:16:31.000 And the most popular causes today, you know, there's a lot of discussion around racism and police brutality and these other, the environment.

00:16:37.000 And I'm not saying these things don't matter because a lot of causes matter and we need to fight for a lot of causes.

00:16:43.000 But when the power structures are actually upholding what is the greatest human rights abuse and the greatest bloodshed, I mean, you know, we watched George Floyd, you know, tragically, this, this horrible death on camera.

00:16:55.000 And we were on iPhone camera under the neck, the knee of a police officer, and the world was just broken by it, right?

00:17:01.000 They're broken to see this man crying out for his mother.

00:17:03.000 And we should be broken for that.

00:17:05.000 There's no viral video that the media is circulating of the child that's being dismembered.

00:17:11.000 Well, you know, living child dismembered in the place where they should be safe and loved in their mother's womb.

00:17:17.000 Well, they're trying to escape the abortionist forceps.

00:17:20.000 We don't, we don't, the media won't would never show that video.

00:17:23.000 So, you know, we have to speak out and educate because that's what sets minds free.

00:17:29.000 And people are waking up when they get access to that information.

00:17:34.000 And so abortion is something that I think has a lot of different reasons why it happens.

00:17:41.000 People don't know about it.

00:17:42.000 It's also considered to be the easy way out when it's actually the most difficult way out because you're actually going to be harming yourself and harming other people and harming an innocent life.

00:17:53.000 And so can you talk about some of the other cultural change that needs to happen, such as people getting married before they actually try to engage in a hedonistic or nihilistic type lifestyle?

00:18:05.000 Can you talk about that?

00:18:06.000 About how it kind of sometimes abortion is downstream from other cultural defects?

00:18:12.000 Sure. 0.63

00:18:13.000 It's a great question.

00:18:14.000 And I'll share three things for that that I talk a lot about in my book.

00:18:18.000 And the first thing is actually very personal because I think it has to do with our own sense of self-worth and identity.

00:18:25.000 And I talk about my own struggles as a teenager and fighting for life about how I, you know, had mental health issues and self-esteem issues, body image issues.

00:18:33.000 And so if we don't think well of ourselves and our own dignity, it's going to be hard to see that dignity in others.

00:18:38.000 And so if we're going to stand up and fight for a cause, I think we do have to understand our God-given dignity.

00:18:44.000 I believe we're all sons and daughters of God and we have human dignity, whether you have a religion or not.

00:18:49.000 I think we can all agree on that.

00:18:51.000 And so I think that's really a reckoning about human value as opposed to materialism or using each other or, you know, greed or all these other things.

00:19:00.000 Utilitarianism, all this other nonsense.

00:19:02.000 Yeah, just say the human person.

00:19:03.000 I mean, this whole thing of like, you know, we need to, is having children bad for the environment?

00:19:09.000 No, we care about the environment because we want to have children.

00:19:13.000 You know, the focus should be kids and future and human beings.

00:19:17.000 So then the second thing I would say is I think it's very much about what you just mentioned.

00:19:22.000 It's about marriage.

00:19:23.000 It's about family.

00:19:24.000 Instead of sex being about what I want, momentary pleasure on my terms, which by the way, doesn't make people happy.

00:19:31.000 All the social studies that have been done, Harvard did this 80-year study, 80 years on what makes people happy.

00:19:39.000 What made people happy, not short-lived sexual pleasure and sleeping around.

00:19:43.000 What made you happy was marrying someone and being faithful to them for your whole life and having a family with them.

00:19:49.000 That's what Harvard big news flash, what they discovered.

00:19:53.000 All the social data says that.

00:19:54.000 That's like the Bible.

00:19:56.000 It's more true than MTV.

00:19:58.000 Surprise, surprise.

00:20:00.000 And then the last thing I'll say, the last thing I'll say is caring for each other and going out of our way to help single moms and families and fostering kids.

00:20:09.000 I think churches, especially, Christians, they need to rise up and foster kids and adopt kids and fight for families because that's really care for mothers and fathers and those in need because that's really going to also, and a lot of them are doing that.

00:20:23.000 There's thousands of pregnancy resource centers.

00:20:25.000 I know dozens and dozens of couples fostering and adopting.

00:20:29.000 So it is happening.

00:20:30.000 But the more of that, the better, because that's also how we change our culture.

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00:21:43.000 And I've talked about this before.

00:21:46.000 They don't do a great job of marketing.

00:21:48.000 And that's the one thing.

00:21:49.000 So, you know, I've talked about this before.

00:21:51.000 And I gave a whole speech that one of the problems the pro-life movement has is it doesn't do a good job of advertising the great work they do because the number one piece of feedback I get from secular people or non-pro-life people, I should say, like, oh, the pro-life, they're only pro-life at birth.

00:22:05.000 You don't care about their, I'm like, you have no idea what a pregnancy resource center is.

00:22:08.000 And then I always reject that from my political view, which is I want more police on the streets because it's going to save lives.

00:22:14.000 I want school choice because it's going to save lives.

00:22:16.000 Every idea I have that you have, that we have as conservatives is a pro-life position, right?

00:22:21.000 It's about the dignity of human beings.

00:22:23.000 But anyway, that's a cheap kind of side accusation that you and I get all the time.

00:22:27.000 But people need to be educated because if the if the GOP or conservativism just looks like, don't do this, don't do that, we don't care, close the border, you know, close the border.

00:22:37.000 There's just this, you know, it's presented and the media doesn't help, obviously.

00:22:40.000 They're happy to present it as negative and bad and mean.

00:22:44.000 But if we as speakers, communicators, activists, advocates are just focusing on this is all for human flourishing.

00:22:50.000 You know, this is also that people can be free and grow and pursue their dreams and build families.

00:22:57.000 I think that can also do a lot to further our cause.

00:23:00.000 So the book is Fighting for Life.

00:23:00.000 I totally agree.

00:23:02.000 You talk here about courage.

00:23:04.000 How do you find your inner courage?

00:23:06.000 Because that is something a lot of people are struggling with.

00:23:08.000 Being a vocal pro-life activist and leader as a woman tends to get you attacked a lot.

00:23:15.000 You know, when I talk about pro-life stuff, I really don't get attacked that much.

00:23:19.000 It's kind of like, oh, just like, you know, you're not, you're not a woman, you can't say it, but you get a lot of attacks.

00:23:25.000 How do you find that inner courage?

00:23:27.000 It's a great question.

00:23:29.000 And I will say a couple of things I mentioned in the book because I kind of go step by step towards finding your voice and finding courage in the face of attacks and also in the face of insecurities and doubts, because I think sometimes it's the voices in our own heads that can keep it, hold us back as much as it is as the external voices.

00:23:46.000 But a few things I'll say is, first of all, moral clarity, having that conviction for what you're fighting for is so key.

00:23:53.000 Having confidence in what you're fighting for.

00:23:55.000 And that's education.

00:23:57.000 That's surrounding yourself with people who can help you learn and help you grow.

00:24:02.000 Having heroes is really important.

00:24:04.000 You know, who are your inspirations?

00:24:05.000 Who are your heroes?

00:24:07.000 So I talk a lot about heroes in the book and also anti-heroes.

00:24:10.000 Who are the people that are bringing you down?

00:24:12.000 But what are those inspirations that show you how they persevered and will give you the fuel for your fight?

00:24:18.000 And then one other thing I'll mention too is having a mentor that's a little different than a hero, but finding a mentor or a coach.

00:24:25.000 And this could be someone like a teacher that's pro-life or someone in your church community or, you know, a religious person like a priest or a pastor and saying, listen, I want to be more courageous.

00:24:35.000 You know, I want to, I want my life to mean something.

00:24:39.000 You know, I want to, I want to fight for what matters, but I have these hangups.

00:24:43.000 I have these struggles.

00:24:44.000 Can you help me?

00:24:45.000 And there are people that do want to help, I promise you, but we have to ask.

00:24:50.000 And so I think those are some keys to getting started and just getting the support you need because we all need it.

00:24:55.000 You know, we're not, we're not meant to do this alone.

00:24:58.000 And so you, the, the subtext of the book is becoming a force for change in a wounded world.

00:25:04.000 There's a lot of suffering in our country and in the world.

00:25:08.000 Life is suffering, is what Jordan Peterson would say.

00:25:11.000 It's a Buddhist principle.

00:25:12.000 We as Christians have a different way of saying that.

00:25:14.000 We think that there's redemption in life, obviously.

00:25:16.000 But there is a lot of suffering in the world.

00:25:18.000 It's a wounded world and it can get people down.

00:25:20.000 It can get them cynical.

00:25:21.000 It can get them depressed.

00:25:22.000 It can get them upset.

00:25:24.000 Can you talk about this?

00:25:25.000 And this is part of your book is bouncing back from mistakes to grow and to make a lasting impact.

00:25:31.000 Talk about that a little bit.

00:25:33.000 Sure.

00:25:34.000 I think, and this is essential because I think one of the things that may hold us back from becoming activists or advocates or even speaking out in our own families, quite frankly, is fear of failure or fear of offending others.

00:25:48.000 And I'm just going to tell you right now, you're going to make mistakes.

00:25:52.000 You might offend others.

00:25:53.000 I certainly have.

00:25:54.000 And I actually in the book, I kind of, you know, I didn't want people to see just the highlight reel, you know, because I share a lot about live action and my story.

00:26:01.000 So I shared some really hard moments, like things I totally messed up on.

00:26:06.000 And I think that's important because everybody who's just starting, we all have to start somewhere.

00:26:12.000 And in order to start, you have to learn.

00:26:14.000 And in order to learn, you have to be, you have to fail sometimes.

00:26:17.000 I mean, that's just learning.

00:26:18.000 That's not faking it.

00:26:19.000 That's learning.

00:26:20.000 And, you know, I think we need to, as a culture, have more of a forgiveness for each other, for ourselves.

00:26:26.000 That's what God wants to do for us.

00:26:29.000 You know, God, the maker of the perfect God maker of the universe, I speak here as a Christian, of course.

00:26:33.000 But even if you don't believe in God, I think you would want to be forgiven, right?

00:26:37.000 So let's forgive others.

00:26:38.000 And sometimes that means starting with ourselves and knowing that even if you screw up, because we all do at some point, it's still worth it to try.

00:26:48.000 And it's still worth it to try because you're going to learn from your mistakes.

00:26:52.000 And that's what I share, you know, in the book I share, for example, showing up to my own congressional press conference that I hosted late and why that happened and how embarrassing it was.

00:27:02.000 And just, you know, you can learn more about my mistakes if you read Fighting for Life.

00:27:06.000 But the point is you can also make really big mistakes, but don't disqualify yourself from your calling, you know, from living your life because you're human and because you're wounded like all of us.

00:27:19.000 And we're all just trying to grow each day and do better.

00:27:22.000 So I want to read a part of your book here, which is chapter seven, just start.

00:27:26.000 I'm going to read the first paragraph, which is really good.

00:27:28.000 I think it applies to a lot of people right now.

00:27:30.000 I knew I had to do more.

00:27:32.000 It wasn't just enough to stand outside an abortion clinic with a few friends, helplessly watching women and girls walk into that death center, perfect framing.

00:27:39.000 I had read books, scoured websites, and researched how Planned Parenthood and their allies defended the killing.

00:27:43.000 But what good was my knowledge if I didn't share it? 0.97

00:27:46.000 I thought that if we could educate our peers about the horror of abortion, as well as about the goodness of life and the many people and resources available to help mothers and children in need, we could prevent women and girls from ever going in.

00:27:58.000 So a lot of people are watching across the street right now, metaphorically.

00:28:03.000 They're seeing something happen that they don't like outside of life.

00:28:06.000 We're going to kind of broaden this, right?

00:28:07.000 But we're going to use your story.

00:28:09.000 They're seeing a school board pass critical race theory, right?

00:28:12.000 They're seeing a mask mandate harm their child.

00:28:15.000 What was it that in chapter seven, you say, just start?

00:28:19.000 What is your advice, especially to young mothers out there?

00:28:21.000 So our podcast is a little unique.

00:28:23.000 We have a significant portion of listeners that are young women ages 30 to 45 because we talk about education a lot.

00:28:31.000 And so it's a heavy, dominant focus of young mothers across the country that have five, six, seven, eight-year-olds that are trying to figure out what their children are being taught.

00:28:40.000 So what is your, what, what had, what, what drove you?

00:28:44.000 What's your advice to just start as you talk about in chapter seven?

00:28:48.000 It's a great question and it's going to look different for all of us, but it comes down to a simple principle.

00:28:53.000 The principle is this.

00:28:55.000 You're seeing things that are concerning you.

00:28:58.000 And it can be as simple as speaking up, sending that email, making that phone call, showing up to that school board meeting, asking around and finding one other parent who might have concern too.

00:29:10.000 It takes that moment of initiative and then doing it again the next day.

00:29:14.000 You try the first day, maybe no one responds.

00:29:16.000 You try again the next day.

00:29:18.000 And it doesn't have to be perfect.

00:29:20.000 You don't have to have gone through some course.

00:29:22.000 There is no course for how to do this.

00:29:24.000 I mean, actually, Live Action does have some online courses for how to be a better pro-life apologist and stuff like that.

00:29:28.000 But, you know, I didn't have a course when I started.

00:29:31.000 I just kept trying different things.

00:29:33.000 And I would just encourage you to say, listen, if you're willing to speak and put yourself out there and speak up when you see something's wrong, you're going to give confidence to others because I guarantee you there are others who feel concerned too.

00:29:47.000 But that when everyone's silent, when everyone's quiet, if you're quiet and you see the concern and you're quiet, it's just making it harder for the next person.

00:29:55.000 But when you speak, you make it easier for the next person.

00:29:58.000 And before you know it, there can be millions of you.

00:30:01.000 That's what happened when I started Live Action.

00:30:03.000 There were times when no one showed up to my meetings.

00:30:05.000 There were times when no one picked up the phone.

00:30:08.000 There were times, even at UCLA, I'd be up all night working on an activism project and everyone else was ditched.

00:30:13.000 You know, that's part of the journey.

00:30:16.000 But now there's over 5 million people following Live Action.

00:30:19.000 You know, now the pro-life movement, not just because of my work, of course, because of a lot of other people's work, but we're bigger and more powerful than ever.

00:30:26.000 So I would just encourage you, you know, getting started is as simple as one thing you do today and then trying again the next day.

00:30:32.000 And before you know it, you have started to inspire change in your community.

00:30:37.000 And I guarantee you, it's going to be worth it.

00:30:39.000 Well, I just have to tell you, you have made a very big difference.

00:30:41.000 In fact, I get these beautiful emails from you of these testimonials of these mothers that say they decided not to have an abortion because they saw your video.

00:30:49.000 Or I used to be pro-choice and it's like these beautiful videos and it's live action.

00:30:54.000 It's terrific.

00:30:55.000 So I want to talk about something that I know you'll appreciate.

00:30:58.000 Chapter 18, keep the pressure on, which I think is rule four.

00:31:01.000 Is that right? 0.95

00:31:02.000 Saul Linsky's Rules for Radicals. 0.80

00:31:03.000 I don't know if you chose that intentionally or not.

00:31:06.000 I, yes, rules for radicals is I wanted to write the activist guidebook for conservatives and for people who care for justice.

00:31:13.000 So yeah, some principles can be applied absolutely to our cause.

00:31:17.000 It's literally positive.

00:31:19.000 It's just, I'm being facetious, somewhat facetious.

00:31:21.000 Is that one of Linsky's rules is keep the pressure on.

00:31:24.000 Is it eight?

00:31:25.000 Rule number eight.

00:31:26.000 I don't know which one, but that's the one I took, the one that I would agree wholeheartedly with.

00:31:31.000 There's a couple others that are okay.

00:31:32.000 But the title of the book is Fighting for Life.

00:31:36.000 And one of the things I love, Lila, is you have a really approachable way of communicating.

00:31:42.000 We're working on that.

00:31:44.000 And so, but talk about the need to also contest for truth, keeping the pressure on and fighting.

00:31:52.000 This is something that sometimes Christians and conservatives tend to be more agreeable at times, don't always want to do.

00:31:59.000 Yeah. 0.66

00:32:00.000 So again, I think it goes back to what are we fighting for?

00:32:04.000 And that can be that inspiration to get in the fray because we're made as human beings to want to get along, especially women.

00:32:10.000 And that's a good thing. 1.00

00:32:11.000 You know, it's good to want to get along.

00:32:13.000 Peer pressured can be good if you're being pressured to do the right thing.

00:32:18.000 But if society is broken, if the institutions, they're fundamentally broken in what they're promoting, an evil or an injustice.

00:32:25.000 And that's happened during slavery.

00:32:27.000 That's happened at different times in human history and our history.

00:32:29.000 It's happening today with abortion and more and more with other ideologies that are against the human person and against God, then you do have to stick yourself out there.

00:32:38.000 You do have to, there has to be a confrontational aspect to what we're doing.

00:32:43.000 That doesn't mean we're mean.

00:32:44.000 That doesn't mean we're unkind.

00:32:45.000 That doesn't mean we're ungracious, but it means we're bold.

00:32:48.000 And keeping the pressure on has a lot to do, you know, keeping the pressure on is in part two of the book.

00:32:53.000 So there's three parts.

00:32:54.000 Getting started is part one.

00:32:55.000 Part two is overcoming.

00:32:57.000 And if we're really going to take this home, like we're really going to change America, change our culture, make it pro-life, make it pro-family, make it, make it a place where people can practice their faith freely without attacks.

00:33:09.000 I mean, if we really want to make that this country, then keeping the pressure on until we've reached that goal is necessary.

00:33:17.000 And it looks different for different people.

00:33:18.000 That doesn't, again, mean you have to be like mean about it, but it means persistence, which is a virtue, fortitude, which is a virtue.

00:33:26.000 And the only way you build that virtue is you try again each day.

00:33:31.000 You know, it's not overnight.

00:33:33.000 You don't become this like super brave person in a second.

00:33:37.000 I'm still nervous at times, you know, or I still struggle at times with, you know, how do I do something or what do I do?

00:33:42.000 I mean, that's universal.

00:33:44.000 I think ultimately it's just still getting up and trying, still getting up and speaking, still getting up and doing what is right and good and true.

00:33:51.000 And that's how the change is made.

00:33:54.000 I love that.

00:33:55.000 And I think that there's a paralysis that has plagued a lot of the movement at times where it's like, I don't know if I can do this.

00:34:02.000 I don't know if I can make the difference.

00:34:04.000 And Lubbock, Texas, you saw this, obviously, just became a sanctuary city for the unborn.

00:34:09.000 How about a sanctuary state for the unborn? 1.00

00:34:11.000 We should kick abortion. 1.00

00:34:12.000 Oh, you know, go ahead. 0.96

00:34:13.000 And you know why Lubbock did that?

00:34:15.000 You know why Lubbock became a sanctuary city for the unborn?

00:34:18.000 Because another city in Texas did this first, another brave city.

00:34:22.000 We reported it on it at Live Action News.

00:34:24.000 People learned about it and they're like, we could do that in Lubbock.

00:34:26.000 We can do that here.

00:34:27.000 Awesome.

00:34:28.000 And that's, that's, but that's the power, again, of one little tiny town, you know, which is probably one person in that town got went to the, you know, the city council and was like, you know what?

00:34:39.000 Let's make this a sanctuary city for the free-born.

00:34:41.000 And then all of a sudden, other states are doing it.

00:34:44.000 Again, it's the power of one person to stick themselves out there with a new idea, to take a risk and leave their comfort zone and just say, Let's make this a sanctuary city for children, you know, for children in the womb.

00:34:56.000 So just, it just takes what it can, it just takes you.

00:34:59.000 It just starts with you.

00:35:01.000 And everyone listening, you guys can try to do that too.

00:35:03.000 If you happen to live in a super conservative area, for all my friends in Snohomish, Washington near Seattle, I don't think this will apply to you, but in Oklahoma or in Missouri or in North Dakota, we have a lot of listeners in North Dakota.

00:35:15.000 Why not try to say we are going to become the first state that is a sanctuary state for the unborn? 0.65

00:35:21.000 It's time for us to play offense.

00:35:22.000 And so, do you start to see Planned Parenthood scrambling a little bit?

00:35:26.000 I do.

00:35:26.000 I think they're losing messaging.

00:35:28.000 I think that they're glamorizing abortion.

00:35:32.000 They're glorifying it.

00:35:33.000 And I mean, I just can't help but believe that the only way they can justify their tragedy and their atrocity is to try and act as if it's a wonderful thing.

00:35:46.000 Do you start?

00:35:47.000 Are you seeing that? 0.87

00:35:48.000 Yeah, they're unhinged.

00:35:50.000 And sometimes they lose the messaging. 0.53

00:35:52.000 They fumble the ball so bad because you can't make abortion look good.

00:35:57.000 You really can't put, you know, to use the phrase, a lipstick on that pig or, you know, beauty on that total devastation of a little child.

00:36:06.000 I mean, you just can't do that.

00:36:07.000 And so when they try different things, like some of their allies, you know, shout your abortion, or in Texas, they had this abortion candle sales thing.

00:36:15.000 You know, this was like a partner of Planned Parenthood's.

00:36:18.000 When they try this stuff, it backfires big time because it's so, I mean, everyone knows deep down, I think, that there's at least a tragic element to abortion.

00:36:28.000 And so the best thing Planned Parenthood can do is to not talk about abortion.

00:36:32.000 And that's when, that's when they've done their best messaging is when they just don't talk about it.

00:36:36.000 They talk about instead, you know, reproductive health care.

00:36:39.000 They talk about, you know, women's health. 0.93

00:36:41.000 And now they're all on transgender stuff. 1.00

00:36:43.000 I mean, their whole thing now is give hormones to little girls and boys without their parents' consent. 0.97

00:36:47.000 That's their new shtick because they know that the abortion stuff is not really winning the PR fight for them.

00:36:52.000 And they want to try this other fight too.

00:36:54.000 That's it is a very important fight too.

00:36:57.000 And Planned Parenthood also wants the government to pay for that.

00:37:00.000 They want to get the government, they sell hormones already through birth control and some their abortion drugs are powerful.

00:37:06.000 Castration is what it is. 0.79

00:37:08.000 It's chemical castration. 1.00

00:37:10.000 And the more they can confuse our kids sexually, the more they can destroy the identities of our children, the better their abortion market, anyways, long term. 0.78

00:37:20.000 And then that's part of their business structure. 0.68

00:37:22.000 But all that to say, they've already, in a way, they've lost the abortion argument.

00:37:28.000 They've lost it already.

00:37:29.000 The best they can do is just have their alliances and big tech, their alliances in the entertainment media, their alliances in the news media who try to silence pro-lifers or who will only promote the abortion conversation in terms of women's rights, which is totally false framing, right?

00:37:50.000 Abortion is not about women's rights. 0.82

00:37:52.000 It's about killing a child, and women are not served by this. 1.00

00:37:55.000 It's a violation of our dignity, too.

00:37:57.000 So I think you're right that they are scrambling.

00:37:59.000 And it's only a matter of time, Charlie.

00:38:02.000 It's only a matter of time.

00:38:03.000 The abortion industry is going down.

00:38:05.000 We will abolish abortion.

00:38:07.000 I think the Supreme Court will give us new rulings, I think, probably very soon.

00:38:11.000 And dramatic cultural changes are underway.

00:38:14.000 I totally agree.

00:38:14.000 Well, Lila, thank you for joining.

00:38:16.000 It's Fighting for Life, Lila Rose from Live Action.

00:38:20.000 Let's get that book all up on the charts on those terrible tech companies, Amazon.

00:38:24.000 Hopefully soon we won't have to.

00:38:25.000 We're only behind how to be an anti-racist right now.

00:38:28.000 So are you serious?

00:38:29.000 We can get pro-life to number one.

00:38:30.000 Yeah, that on top of political advocacy, that's the, we're behind the is how to be an anti-racist.

00:38:35.000 Is that Robin D'Angelo's or Taha Nisi coach?

00:38:38.000 Iber Max Tech.

00:38:40.000 That guy is the worst.

00:38:42.000 All right.

00:38:42.000 Just for that, everyone go buy this book because that guy cannot be allowed to win anything.

00:38:49.000 He is awful.

00:38:50.000 But you are not. 0.94

00:38:50.000 There it is. 0.94

00:38:51.000 Fighting for Life.

00:38:52.000 That's it.

00:38:53.000 Fighting for Life, Lila Rose, in the nicest packaging I've ever received.

00:38:56.000 I think a book ever.

00:38:58.000 It's very beautiful.

00:38:59.000 Lila, thanks so much for joining.

00:39:01.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:39:02.000 You bet.

00:39:05.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:39:07.000 If you want to support us, go to charliekirk.com/slash support.

00:39:10.000 Email us your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:39:13.000 God bless you guys.

00:39:14.000 Speak to you soon.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 08, 2021

Some GOOD NEWS in the Fight for Life with Lila Rose

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