00:00:33.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:42.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:03:01.000And I started it actually 15 years ago as a teenager.
00:03:04.000So I've been doing this my whole adult life.
00:03:08.000And I began it because I just was heartbroken at discovering abortion, became very passionate and convicted that I had to do something.
00:03:15.000And then it's just been a crazy journey since.
00:03:17.000And the goal is complete legal protection for the pre-born and just changing culture so that people respect and revere human life and love it.
00:03:24.000And then besides that, I'm also now an author with Fighting for Life, the new book.
00:03:28.000And most importantly, though, I am a wife and a mom, and I am a Christian.
00:03:33.000So those are the top things, but it's just an honor to be part of this fight, and it's a fight for all of us.
00:04:38.000Now, as the president of the United States, he's saying you as the taxpayer should pay for abortions, even through all nine months on children that can survive outside the womb.
00:04:47.000He also has put his some really crooked politicians who are not just pro-abortion, but they use the power of the state to go after pro-lifers.
00:04:57.000So Kamala Harris, when she was attorney general in California, I'm from California.
00:05:41.000Despite the fact that the media is so pro-abortion, politics is so pro-abortion, in the last two years, there have been unprecedented pro-life legislation at the state level, over 600 bills.
00:05:52.000Dozens of them have passed and made it into law at the state level.
00:05:56.000There have been an abortion decline that's unprecedented in the last 10 years.
00:06:00.000Every year, the abortion rate goes down.
00:06:04.000And then what I'm privileged to see daily through the work of live action, the work we do with young people, is more and more young people becoming pro-life.
00:06:17.000And I think people deep down, they're uncomfortable with it.
00:06:21.000And when they find out about abortion, they are really disturbed when they actually have the opportunity to be educated.
00:06:27.000You know, you learn about fetal development, embryonic development, a baby's heart starts beating at just three and a half weeks after fertilization.
00:06:36.000Most women don't even know they're pregnant yet.
00:06:39.000And when people discover this brainwaves at just six weeks, and every abortion is killing a beating heart, ending a beating heart, when people learn this, especially younger people we see, they do open their minds.
00:06:51.000And then the other thing, Charlie, is I see this shift beginning to happen because this whole sexual gratification culture, which says that you should have sex between two adults with consent.
00:07:45.000You know, we have, we can do something better.
00:07:47.000And that's why I'm extremely hopeful that we can abolish abortion and that the tipping points are the turning points as you're working so hard on are coming and are happening right now.
00:07:59.000And I think that we have to make our goal clear to abolish abortion the same way that it was the goal to abolish slavery back in the 1800s.
00:08:08.000And the more I study and learn about abortion, you're the expert.
00:08:10.000And I'm going to actually ask you some questions because I get my timetable screwed up sometimes of weeks throughout the trimester period.
00:08:18.000I know it pretty well, but you're the expert.
00:08:20.000It's so horrific and it's bad for everyone involved.
00:08:23.000I want to ask you about David, though.
00:08:31.000The criminal trial is starting and it's David, it's gone to trial, David DeLeiden, and Sandra Merritt being charged with multiple felonies simply for exposing planned parents selling baby body parts.
00:09:00.000I think they might because that's the way the left is.
00:09:03.000And you know my position on fighting these people.
00:09:05.000It's just we have to fight fire with fire.
00:09:08.000If a Republican wins the recall, I'm actually going to make my job now, and I just clicked, I'm going to go to every candidate running and say, you better commit to pardon David DeLeiden.
00:09:19.000It's like, that should be just like to get the voter support of California, a full blanket pardon for David DeLeiden.
00:09:25.000So I'm not going to forget that because what he did honestly opened up so many eyes.
00:09:32.000And our viewers are like, what are you talking about?
00:09:33.000No, he actually got footage and he was very aggressive in doing it.
00:09:38.000And, you know, he probably assumed that there would be like journalistic type protections for what he was doing.
00:09:45.000And I think he a little bit underestimated how vicious these people are.
00:09:48.000But he got footage of Planned Parenthood purchasing baby parts and talking about it over white wine at lunch as if they were buying auto parts to a car.
00:09:59.000And now you can't really find those videos at times online anymore because they keep on getting taken down.
00:10:04.000But I remember when they came out, it was front page of Drudge one after the other.
00:10:08.000And it put Planned Parenthood on defense like never before.
00:10:10.000Anyway, I just wanted to mention that for David because we have his back.
00:10:13.000And I wouldn't be surprised if they throw him in prison because that's how vicious these people are.
00:10:17.000But we're not going to let, if, if Newsom gets recalled and replaced with anyone, it has to be day one, you're going to pardon David.
00:10:37.000So let's go through abortion because it's a very misunderstood topic, especially with young people out there.
00:10:43.000So there are some young people listening to our podcast right now that will say they're pro-life, but they know very little about abortion.
00:10:50.000And I think the true test of whether or not you're pro-life is when it kind of hits home.
00:10:55.000And so can you walk through kind of how a baby develops?
00:11:03.000And talk about how science is actually proving the point of the pro-life movement more and more the more we actually learn about baby development.
00:11:14.000So I actually go through the steps of my own awareness on this in my book, Fighting for Life, and why these steps are important for all of us, because you can kind of sense, like you said, oh, abortion's wrong, or I'm uncomfortable with it.
00:11:28.000I don't like this extremism from the left on this.
00:11:31.000But if you're not, if you don't have the tools and the education, it's hard to really have it resonate at that deep, deep level and also feel equipped to speak on it or really any cause.
00:11:40.000If you're not educated on a cause, you're not going to want to get into the fray, especially if it's controversial or unpopular.
00:11:46.000And so I talk about for me learning for the first time about abortion as a young girl and discovering the death toll of abortion.
00:11:55.000And I'll just share some facts like you asked, Charlie.
00:11:57.000So, first of all, when life begins, when human life begins, is not a matter of opinion or religious belief.
00:12:04.000And you know this if you open any biology textbook or you look at any embryologist and their specialization of understanding human life's genesis, human life begins at the moment of fertilization.
00:12:15.000So that's when a female gamete and a male gamete, the reproductive cells from a mother and a father, a sperm and an egg, and a sperm fertilizes an egg.
00:12:23.000And at that moment, a unique individual human life comes into existence.
00:12:27.000That's how you and I, we all started our life.
00:12:29.000And you have your complete genetic code.
00:12:34.000So that means you're actually not just some cell that needs to be told what to do by the rest of the body.
00:12:39.000You are the body, the entire body of a human being, and you just need time and nourishment to grow.
00:12:44.000And within three and a half weeks, you've got a heart that's starting to beat.
00:12:47.000It's crazy how quickly that single cell embryo grows.
00:12:51.000Then six weeks, the brain waves are firing.
00:12:54.000By eight and nine weeks, you're seeing arms and legs and a face for the child.
00:12:59.000The jaw is already forming by eight weeks.
00:13:01.000I mean, just incredible what's happening in the first trimester.
00:13:04.000And I remember for me, when I saw for the first time as a kid, I was passionate about different issues.
00:13:10.000I was learning and I found out about abortion by seeing for the first time a child at 10 weeks old in the first trimester when most abortions happen around that time in America.
00:13:22.000And I saw an image of an abortion victim.
00:13:26.000They could see arms and legs, this beautiful little face that had been torn apart by the powerful first trimester suction abortion, which is 30 to 50 times more powerful than a household vacuum.
00:14:39.000And so that moral clarity that I had at a young age, thanks to Mother Teresa, thanks to what I was learning, you know, the research I started to do, inspired me to start live action and just say, this is the cause.
00:14:53.000And the videos you guys do at Live Action are terrific and it's persuasive And it's direct, and it's not too confrontational, but it's also unapologetic.
00:15:33.000You can go through 12 years of public education in this country and you will never once be taught that human life is sacred, that it starts in the womb, that you might learn in biology class when it begins, but then you're going to be told, oh, there's this right to have an abortion.
00:15:48.000You're going to be taught, you're going to be taught cognitive dissonance.
00:15:51.000You're going to be taught to believe a lie as the truth.
00:15:54.000I mean, they teach in our school system that abortion is a woman's right and that that's part of being a feminist and that's a good thing.
00:16:02.000And, you know, if you're brainwashed like that, and you know, our celebrities, our media, our entertainment, you know, structure conglomerate is very pro-abortion.
00:16:31.000And the most popular causes today, you know, there's a lot of discussion around racism and police brutality and these other, the environment.
00:16:37.000And I'm not saying these things don't matter because a lot of causes matter and we need to fight for a lot of causes.
00:16:43.000But when the power structures are actually upholding what is the greatest human rights abuse and the greatest bloodshed, I mean, you know, we watched George Floyd, you know, tragically, this, this horrible death on camera.
00:16:55.000And we were on iPhone camera under the neck, the knee of a police officer, and the world was just broken by it, right?
00:17:01.000They're broken to see this man crying out for his mother.
00:17:42.000It's also considered to be the easy way out when it's actually the most difficult way out because you're actually going to be harming yourself and harming other people and harming an innocent life.
00:17:53.000And so can you talk about some of the other cultural change that needs to happen, such as people getting married before they actually try to engage in a hedonistic or nihilistic type lifestyle?
00:18:14.000And I'll share three things for that that I talk a lot about in my book.
00:18:18.000And the first thing is actually very personal because I think it has to do with our own sense of self-worth and identity.
00:18:25.000And I talk about my own struggles as a teenager and fighting for life about how I, you know, had mental health issues and self-esteem issues, body image issues.
00:18:33.000And so if we don't think well of ourselves and our own dignity, it's going to be hard to see that dignity in others.
00:18:38.000And so if we're going to stand up and fight for a cause, I think we do have to understand our God-given dignity.
00:18:44.000I believe we're all sons and daughters of God and we have human dignity, whether you have a religion or not.
00:18:51.000And so I think that's really a reckoning about human value as opposed to materialism or using each other or, you know, greed or all these other things.
00:19:00.000Utilitarianism, all this other nonsense.
00:20:00.000And then the last thing I'll say, the last thing I'll say is caring for each other and going out of our way to help single moms and families and fostering kids.
00:20:09.000I think churches, especially, Christians, they need to rise up and foster kids and adopt kids and fight for families because that's really care for mothers and fathers and those in need because that's really going to also, and a lot of them are doing that.
00:20:23.000There's thousands of pregnancy resource centers.
00:20:25.000I know dozens and dozens of couples fostering and adopting.
00:20:30.000But the more of that, the better, because that's also how we change our culture.
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00:21:49.000So, you know, I've talked about this before.
00:21:51.000And I gave a whole speech that one of the problems the pro-life movement has is it doesn't do a good job of advertising the great work they do because the number one piece of feedback I get from secular people or non-pro-life people, I should say, like, oh, the pro-life, they're only pro-life at birth.
00:22:05.000You don't care about their, I'm like, you have no idea what a pregnancy resource center is.
00:22:08.000And then I always reject that from my political view, which is I want more police on the streets because it's going to save lives.
00:22:14.000I want school choice because it's going to save lives.
00:22:16.000Every idea I have that you have, that we have as conservatives is a pro-life position, right?
00:22:21.000It's about the dignity of human beings.
00:22:23.000But anyway, that's a cheap kind of side accusation that you and I get all the time.
00:22:27.000But people need to be educated because if the if the GOP or conservativism just looks like, don't do this, don't do that, we don't care, close the border, you know, close the border.
00:22:37.000There's just this, you know, it's presented and the media doesn't help, obviously.
00:22:40.000They're happy to present it as negative and bad and mean.
00:22:44.000But if we as speakers, communicators, activists, advocates are just focusing on this is all for human flourishing.
00:22:50.000You know, this is also that people can be free and grow and pursue their dreams and build families.
00:22:57.000I think that can also do a lot to further our cause.
00:23:29.000And I will say a couple of things I mentioned in the book because I kind of go step by step towards finding your voice and finding courage in the face of attacks and also in the face of insecurities and doubts, because I think sometimes it's the voices in our own heads that can keep it, hold us back as much as it is as the external voices.
00:23:46.000But a few things I'll say is, first of all, moral clarity, having that conviction for what you're fighting for is so key.
00:23:53.000Having confidence in what you're fighting for.
00:24:07.000So I talk a lot about heroes in the book and also anti-heroes.
00:24:10.000Who are the people that are bringing you down?
00:24:12.000But what are those inspirations that show you how they persevered and will give you the fuel for your fight?
00:24:18.000And then one other thing I'll mention too is having a mentor that's a little different than a hero, but finding a mentor or a coach.
00:24:25.000And this could be someone like a teacher that's pro-life or someone in your church community or, you know, a religious person like a priest or a pastor and saying, listen, I want to be more courageous.
00:24:35.000You know, I want to, I want my life to mean something.
00:24:39.000You know, I want to, I want to fight for what matters, but I have these hangups.
00:25:34.000I think, and this is essential because I think one of the things that may hold us back from becoming activists or advocates or even speaking out in our own families, quite frankly, is fear of failure or fear of offending others.
00:25:48.000And I'm just going to tell you right now, you're going to make mistakes.
00:25:54.000And I actually in the book, I kind of, you know, I didn't want people to see just the highlight reel, you know, because I share a lot about live action and my story.
00:26:01.000So I shared some really hard moments, like things I totally messed up on.
00:26:06.000And I think that's important because everybody who's just starting, we all have to start somewhere.
00:26:12.000And in order to start, you have to learn.
00:26:14.000And in order to learn, you have to be, you have to fail sometimes.
00:26:38.000And sometimes that means starting with ourselves and knowing that even if you screw up, because we all do at some point, it's still worth it to try.
00:26:48.000And it's still worth it to try because you're going to learn from your mistakes.
00:26:52.000And that's what I share, you know, in the book I share, for example, showing up to my own congressional press conference that I hosted late and why that happened and how embarrassing it was.
00:27:02.000And just, you know, you can learn more about my mistakes if you read Fighting for Life.
00:27:06.000But the point is you can also make really big mistakes, but don't disqualify yourself from your calling, you know, from living your life because you're human and because you're wounded like all of us.
00:27:19.000And we're all just trying to grow each day and do better.
00:27:22.000So I want to read a part of your book here, which is chapter seven, just start.
00:27:26.000I'm going to read the first paragraph, which is really good.
00:27:28.000I think it applies to a lot of people right now.
00:27:32.000It wasn't just enough to stand outside an abortion clinic with a few friends, helplessly watching women and girls walk into that death center, perfect framing.
00:27:39.000I had read books, scoured websites, and researched how Planned Parenthood and their allies defended the killing.
00:27:43.000But what good was my knowledge if I didn't share it?
00:27:46.000I thought that if we could educate our peers about the horror of abortion, as well as about the goodness of life and the many people and resources available to help mothers and children in need, we could prevent women and girls from ever going in.
00:27:58.000So a lot of people are watching across the street right now, metaphorically.
00:28:03.000They're seeing something happen that they don't like outside of life.
00:28:06.000We're going to kind of broaden this, right?
00:28:23.000We have a significant portion of listeners that are young women ages 30 to 45 because we talk about education a lot.
00:28:31.000And so it's a heavy, dominant focus of young mothers across the country that have five, six, seven, eight-year-olds that are trying to figure out what their children are being taught.
00:28:40.000So what is your, what, what had, what, what drove you?
00:28:44.000What's your advice to just start as you talk about in chapter seven?
00:28:48.000It's a great question and it's going to look different for all of us, but it comes down to a simple principle.
00:28:55.000You're seeing things that are concerning you.
00:28:58.000And it can be as simple as speaking up, sending that email, making that phone call, showing up to that school board meeting, asking around and finding one other parent who might have concern too.
00:29:10.000It takes that moment of initiative and then doing it again the next day.
00:29:14.000You try the first day, maybe no one responds.
00:29:33.000And I would just encourage you to say, listen, if you're willing to speak and put yourself out there and speak up when you see something's wrong, you're going to give confidence to others because I guarantee you there are others who feel concerned too.
00:29:47.000But that when everyone's silent, when everyone's quiet, if you're quiet and you see the concern and you're quiet, it's just making it harder for the next person.
00:29:55.000But when you speak, you make it easier for the next person.
00:29:58.000And before you know it, there can be millions of you.
00:30:01.000That's what happened when I started Live Action.
00:30:03.000There were times when no one showed up to my meetings.
00:30:05.000There were times when no one picked up the phone.
00:30:08.000There were times, even at UCLA, I'd be up all night working on an activism project and everyone else was ditched.
00:30:16.000But now there's over 5 million people following Live Action.
00:30:19.000You know, now the pro-life movement, not just because of my work, of course, because of a lot of other people's work, but we're bigger and more powerful than ever.
00:30:26.000So I would just encourage you, you know, getting started is as simple as one thing you do today and then trying again the next day.
00:30:32.000And before you know it, you have started to inspire change in your community.
00:30:37.000And I guarantee you, it's going to be worth it.
00:30:39.000Well, I just have to tell you, you have made a very big difference.
00:30:41.000In fact, I get these beautiful emails from you of these testimonials of these mothers that say they decided not to have an abortion because they saw your video.
00:30:49.000Or I used to be pro-choice and it's like these beautiful videos and it's live action.
00:32:27.000That's happened at different times in human history and our history.
00:32:29.000It's happening today with abortion and more and more with other ideologies that are against the human person and against God, then you do have to stick yourself out there.
00:32:38.000You do have to, there has to be a confrontational aspect to what we're doing.
00:32:57.000And if we're really going to take this home, like we're really going to change America, change our culture, make it pro-life, make it pro-family, make it, make it a place where people can practice their faith freely without attacks.
00:33:09.000I mean, if we really want to make that this country, then keeping the pressure on until we've reached that goal is necessary.
00:33:17.000And it looks different for different people.
00:33:18.000That doesn't, again, mean you have to be like mean about it, but it means persistence, which is a virtue, fortitude, which is a virtue.
00:33:26.000And the only way you build that virtue is you try again each day.
00:33:44.000I think ultimately it's just still getting up and trying, still getting up and speaking, still getting up and doing what is right and good and true.
00:34:28.000And that's, that's, but that's the power, again, of one little tiny town, you know, which is probably one person in that town got went to the, you know, the city council and was like, you know what?
00:34:39.000Let's make this a sanctuary city for the free-born.
00:34:41.000And then all of a sudden, other states are doing it.
00:34:44.000Again, it's the power of one person to stick themselves out there with a new idea, to take a risk and leave their comfort zone and just say, Let's make this a sanctuary city for children, you know, for children in the womb.
00:34:56.000So just, it just takes what it can, it just takes you.
00:35:01.000And everyone listening, you guys can try to do that too.
00:35:03.000If you happen to live in a super conservative area, for all my friends in Snohomish, Washington near Seattle, I don't think this will apply to you, but in Oklahoma or in Missouri or in North Dakota, we have a lot of listeners in North Dakota.
00:35:15.000Why not try to say we are going to become the first state that is a sanctuary state for the unborn?
00:35:33.000And I mean, I just can't help but believe that the only way they can justify their tragedy and their atrocity is to try and act as if it's a wonderful thing.
00:35:50.000And sometimes they lose the messaging.
00:35:52.000They fumble the ball so bad because you can't make abortion look good.
00:35:57.000You really can't put, you know, to use the phrase, a lipstick on that pig or, you know, beauty on that total devastation of a little child.
00:36:07.000And so when they try different things, like some of their allies, you know, shout your abortion, or in Texas, they had this abortion candle sales thing.
00:36:15.000You know, this was like a partner of Planned Parenthood's.
00:36:18.000When they try this stuff, it backfires big time because it's so, I mean, everyone knows deep down, I think, that there's at least a tragic element to abortion.
00:36:28.000And so the best thing Planned Parenthood can do is to not talk about abortion.
00:36:32.000And that's when, that's when they've done their best messaging is when they just don't talk about it.
00:36:36.000They talk about instead, you know, reproductive health care.
00:36:39.000They talk about, you know, women's health.
00:36:41.000And now they're all on transgender stuff.
00:36:43.000I mean, their whole thing now is give hormones to little girls and boys without their parents' consent.
00:36:47.000That's their new shtick because they know that the abortion stuff is not really winning the PR fight for them.
00:36:52.000And they want to try this other fight too.
00:36:54.000That's it is a very important fight too.
00:36:57.000And Planned Parenthood also wants the government to pay for that.
00:37:00.000They want to get the government, they sell hormones already through birth control and some their abortion drugs are powerful.
00:37:10.000And the more they can confuse our kids sexually, the more they can destroy the identities of our children, the better their abortion market, anyways, long term.
00:37:20.000And then that's part of their business structure.
00:37:22.000But all that to say, they've already, in a way, they've lost the abortion argument.
00:37:29.000The best they can do is just have their alliances and big tech, their alliances in the entertainment media, their alliances in the news media who try to silence pro-lifers or who will only promote the abortion conversation in terms of women's rights, which is totally false framing, right?