The Charlie Kirk Show - May 30, 2023


Some Tough Love on the Federal Budget and (Personal) Bloat with Rep. Chip Roy and Rep. Andy Biggs


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Chip Roy, a freshman Congressman from Texas, joins the show to talk about his opposition to the proposed $4 trillion debt ceiling increase, and why he thinks it s a bad idea. Charlie also talks about the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance and why they don t think obesity should be tolerated.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, it's on the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:00:01.000 Oh, we make some headlines with this episode.
00:00:03.000 Well, first we have Chip Roy, and then I do a little interlude about the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance.
00:00:09.000 Now, that's a real organization.
00:00:11.000 They argue that we need to reaccommodate the rest of our society for them.
00:00:15.000 It's not a joke.
00:00:16.000 New York City has now passed some new health measures.
00:00:20.000 I don't think we should validate people's obesity.
00:00:23.000 In fact, we received a lot of angry emails when we did this segment.
00:00:26.000 It's not my heart to try to sow Discord.
00:00:28.000 People very fired up.
00:00:30.000 I think that if you are 150 pounds overweight, you should make some changes to try to lose weight.
00:00:34.000 I think you'll be healthier, you'll be happier, and you'll be a better person.
00:00:38.000 We should not become a country where being 100 to 150 pounds overweight is considered normal or good.
00:00:45.000 In fact, even the CDC, which I don't exactly trust all the time, says that it increases high blood pressure, high cholesterol, type 2 diabetes, coronary heart disease.
00:00:54.000 It is something that you can do to actually improve other health outputs.
00:00:57.000 But we received plenty of angry emails, people pretty fired up about it, and you can continue to get in line on that.
00:01:02.000 Email me freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:01:05.000 We're not going to back away from it.
00:01:07.000 But equally, we're receiving really promising emails of people that say, Charlie, because you speak truthfully on this, I have lost weight.
00:01:13.000 I'm deciding to lose weight.
00:01:14.000 I'm 30 pounds down, 80 pounds down, 100 pounds down.
00:01:18.000 Gluttony is one of the seven deadly sins.
00:01:20.000 I'm sorry that that deeply offends people.
00:01:22.000 I personally know that when I have decided to lose weight, I feel better.
00:01:26.000 I move better.
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00:02:00.000 Buckle up, everybody.
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00:02:44.000 Welcome back, everybody.
00:02:46.000 Let's hear from the members themselves.
00:02:47.000 Congressman Chip Roy, a great man from Texas, 21st Congressional District, joins us now.
00:02:53.000 Congressman Roy, you are against this bill.
00:02:55.000 Tell our audience why.
00:02:56.000 Well, first of all, Charlie, great to be on.
00:02:59.000 Second of all, I just want to say God bless all of the fallen yesterday being Memorial Day and what they fought for.
00:03:07.000 And I do not believe that they fought for $32 trillion of debt and now an agreement by Republicans to lift that debt another $4 trillion.
00:03:19.000 Okay, that's my starting place.
00:03:20.000 I don't believe that's what we're here in Washington to do.
00:03:25.000 And unfortunately, Republican leadership, who had been doing a good job for the last five months, including all of us in the conversation as part of the sort of power sharing arrangement from January, was yielding good results.
00:03:39.000 We passed the Really Good Limit Save Grow Act.
00:03:42.000 We passed HR2 strong border security.
00:03:44.000 And unfortunately, this weekend, they broke from that.
00:03:48.000 It was a breach.
00:03:50.000 They walked away from the structure and the model that was working and instead worked and cut a deal with the White House and then just announced it.
00:03:57.000 And that deal is unacceptable.
00:04:00.000 It is effectively a two-year freeze, a two-year freeze in spending.
00:04:05.000 That is spending that is post-COVID spending, a two-year freeze in post-COVID spending levels in exchange for $4 trillion of debt.
00:04:15.000 It's actually worse than that.
00:04:16.000 Uncapped debt that expires on January 1st, 2025 during a lame duck.
00:04:23.000 Now, keep in mind, that leaves the IRS fully expanded, except for $1.4 billion out of the $80 billion.
00:04:31.000 It leaves all of the corporate crony tax subsidies to the rich for all their Green New Deal subsidies fully in place, not touched at all.
00:04:41.000 It does not get rid of the student loan bailouts, leaves it fully in place and only in the hands of the courts to strike down.
00:04:50.000 It does not do enough, in my opinion, with respect to the regulatory state.
00:04:55.000 We had the Reigns Act to pull back the regulations and bring them back to Congress.
00:05:00.000 And instead, it's administrative PAYGO, which the administration can waive.
00:05:04.000 What is PAGO?
00:05:05.000 What is bad?
00:05:06.000 I keep hearing people, again, some of these acronyms.
00:05:09.000 What is PAYGO?
00:05:10.000 Yeah, sorry.
00:05:11.000 It's swamp speak.
00:05:13.000 It basically is when the administrative state has a regulation, it is on them, they can waive it, to say, hey, this is expensive.
00:05:21.000 We're going to have to pay for this as we go.
00:05:23.000 Meaning, hey, this is a $100 million regulation.
00:05:25.000 We got to go find spending for it.
00:05:27.000 The Reigns Act was different.
00:05:29.000 It said, hey, if this is a $100 million regulation, it's got to go to Congress for approval.
00:05:34.000 And it would be statutory.
00:05:36.000 This is a waivable rule that would not do any good.
00:05:41.000 Look, bottom line is, this bill is bad.
00:05:44.000 All of the talking heads are out saying, oh, this is great.
00:05:46.000 It's historic.
00:05:47.000 It's cut spending.
00:05:49.000 In the light best for the speaker and those negotiating the bill, it's a $12 billion cut, a $12 billion cut.
00:05:59.000 That's 0.75% off of the $1.6 trillion.
00:06:03.000 And frankly, it's probably closer to a wash when you look at the number.
00:06:06.000 So it's basically a freeze.
00:06:08.000 Yeah, so help me understand, Congressman, because we just want the truth for our audience.
00:06:11.000 So Breitbart.com comes out with an article.
00:06:13.000 You probably saw the article that Breitbart published where they said it was $2 trillion in cuts.
00:06:18.000 So what am I missing?
00:06:20.000 And I'm not even questioning what you're saying.
00:06:23.000 It's just that those are two different universes, right?
00:06:27.000 How are they getting to that headline or that number?
00:06:31.000 Because what happens in Washington is that the CBO, the Congressional Budget Office, comes in and says, okay, look, if you drop the spending off of its current trajectory, you will save X over 10 years.
00:06:43.000 What we are saying is that we want upfront cuts in year one that are meaningful, and we want statutory caps to lock in the spending levels.
00:06:53.000 All we've got right here is two-year statutory caps, two years of statutory caps, which are basically at a freeze.
00:07:03.000 All that does is flatten the curb off of the already bloated COVID curve.
00:07:08.000 The CBO is saying, wait, over 10 years, if you keep at that spending level, you can save somewhere between $1.50 to $2 trillion, depending on which study you look at.
00:07:20.000 And what we're saying is, no, we don't accept out-year savings.
00:07:25.000 We want near-term savings, and we want to prove it.
00:07:28.000 That's why our bill had a trillion dollars in year one savings and would have been at $5 trillion over $10.
00:07:36.000 Big difference.
00:07:37.000 So then, let's talk about the IRS thing, right?
00:07:40.000 So there was a call that somebody set up yesterday of kind of, and I dialed in to hear the speaker's team kind of walk through it.
00:07:48.000 So this IRS thing, the way that the speaker's team is framing it is that this defunded the IRS for this year.
00:07:55.000 Tell me why that's not true or why it's not correct.
00:07:58.000 Well, yeah, well, first of all, remember that the IRS has their annual budget, right?
00:08:02.000 Which I don't have in front of me, but it's like $8 or $9 billion annual appropriations.
00:08:06.000 It's $9 billion too much.
00:08:08.000 Last August, they passed the expansion of the IRS, which basically gave them a pot of money, like $80 billion, just sitting over there to be spent over a decade.
00:08:19.000 All this bill does is say you can't spend $1.4 billion of that this year with respect to the IRS expansion, but it leaves the $78.6 billion sitting there.
00:08:29.000 Now, they'll say, well, we have an agreement that says we can peel off another $10 billion each of the next two years to then go backfill some of the non-defense discretionary cuts.
00:08:39.000 That's the bureaucracy.
00:08:41.000 Well, I don't think that's a win for the American people.
00:08:42.000 You're going to go take money out of this account from one bureaucrat and go give it to another bureaucrat.
00:08:47.000 But in any event, it's not even in the statute.
00:08:49.000 The only thing in the statute is $1.4 billion out of the $80 billion that was given to the IRS to expand.
00:08:55.000 And their current budget stays most likely the same once you go through appropriations.
00:08:59.000 So the question is: do you think this can even pass the rules committee, right?
00:09:03.000 That's kind of where we're at.
00:09:05.000 And so walk us through that.
00:09:07.000 I mean, what does this look like?
00:09:09.000 Because actually, let me take a step back.
00:09:11.000 Were you surprised as this came forward?
00:09:14.000 And do you think it can pass rules?
00:09:16.000 So, first of all, what I'm disappointed in, because look, I get along with Kevin.
00:09:20.000 I like Kevin, people negotiating, Garrett, Patrick McHenry, Kevin's staff.
00:09:25.000 We've been talking, but I believed, and I told them last week, that I thought whatever deal you try to go cut, you've got to bring it back to the Republican conference.
00:09:34.000 And we've got to have a family conversation about whether this passes mustard.
00:09:37.000 That didn't really happen.
00:09:39.000 The deal was cut.
00:09:40.000 It was put out as the deal.
00:09:42.000 And then we had a basically cheerleading call on Saturday night.
00:09:45.000 I dialed in.
00:09:46.000 I waited for 20 minutes to get in, couldn't get in till late, and then I never could speak.
00:09:51.000 And that's it.
00:09:52.000 That's the total ability to have a say on Saturday.
00:09:56.000 So fast forward to Sunday, like, guys, we're flying back on Monday.
00:09:59.000 We're going to oppose this thing.
00:10:01.000 And so now what's going to happen in rules?
00:10:02.000 I'm not sure.
00:10:03.000 But if we don't get either votes on amendments that are critical or get amendments that will change the bill, I can promise you I'm not going to agree to a closed rule to send this bill to the floor as is.
00:10:14.000 It's a bad bill.
00:10:15.000 I don't do that.
00:10:16.000 So we'll go have conversations this afternoon and we'll see what happens.
00:10:19.000 So just kind of taking the temperature of members, if it passes rules, do you think that then this will pass with 100 Republican defections or Democrats?
00:10:32.000 I mean, where are we at now with the kind of composition?
00:10:35.000 I know this is speculation, but what can you tell based on the atmospheric so far of the House Republican conference?
00:10:43.000 Well, I don't know exactly the whip.
00:10:45.000 I mean, people going out on Twitter and social media can see I think there's 40 or 50 public no's at this point.
00:10:51.000 I'm not sure.
00:10:52.000 My read is that there's very much a half or more of the conference that are raising serious questions or saying that they're a no or lean no.
00:10:59.000 We'll see what happens when the whip and the leaders strong arm and start twisting arms and say, you got to be with us.
00:11:06.000 Here's the deal.
00:11:07.000 Stick with me.
00:11:07.000 We'll do some stuff in a probes in the fall.
00:11:10.000 But I can promise you there's a lot of us who are a hard no.
00:11:13.000 And look, the Dems are whipping in favor of it.
00:11:15.000 Biden put out a SAP that's a statement of administrative policy or whatever, where he basically said, this deal's great.
00:11:22.000 It preserves all the Green New Deal stuff. 0.99
00:11:24.000 It's a good deal.
00:11:25.000 I mean, if the Biden administration supports it, and if Mitt Romney supports it, and if Bill Kristol supports it, and if a bunch of Democrats here in the House support it in this environment, how good do you think it is?
00:11:37.000 Congressman Chiproy, thank you for joining us.
00:11:39.000 We're going to probably have you on tomorrow, the next day, because last question only like 10 seconds.
00:11:42.000 When is the vote?
00:11:44.000 What is the process?
00:11:45.000 Rules Committee meets at 3 Eastern.
00:11:48.000 We'll meet late into the night.
00:11:49.000 And then depending on if it's passed out, it'd be voted on tomorrow.
00:11:52.000 We'll see what happens.
00:11:53.000 You're a glutton for punishment, Congressman.
00:11:54.000 You didn't want to be on the rules committee, but you ended up being leading the charge and you're like, okay, you go on it.
00:11:59.000 And there goes your Sunday nights with your family.
00:12:01.000 Thank you for representing your voters, Congress, and we appreciate it.
00:12:04.000 Thank you.
00:12:04.000 God bless, Charlie.
00:12:05.000 Take care.
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00:13:10.000 So I couldn't believe it when I was doing the research on this.
00:13:15.000 The New York City government, with crime going up, arson, carjackings, and all this, led by Eric Adams, they have a new announcement in regards to fat acceptance.
00:13:27.000 Now, look, America is fatter than ever and gayer than ever.
00:13:31.000 It's really quite a time to be alive.
00:13:34.000 We're an overweight nation.
00:13:35.000 We should never put up with people's obesity.
00:13:38.000 Okay?
00:13:38.000 Now, I understand you're a couple pounds overweight.
00:13:41.000 Some people metabolize food differently than others.
00:13:44.000 There is no excuse to be 150, 200 pounds overweight.
00:13:47.000 That is your fault.
00:13:49.000 You are making those decisions.
00:13:51.000 Somebody emailed me, Charlie.
00:13:52.000 I've tried everything I possibly can and I can't lose weight.
00:13:55.000 Yeah, I'm sorry.
00:13:56.000 Try harder.
00:13:57.000 Stop eating carbohydrates, intermittent fast.
00:14:00.000 You are not designed to be 200 pounds overweight.
00:14:03.000 Listen to this.
00:14:03.000 New York City Mayor Eric Adams, science has shown the body type is not a connection to if you're healthy or unhealthy.
00:14:10.000 This is garbage. 0.99
00:14:12.000 There is nothing to support this. 1.00
00:14:13.000 This is the same science that says men can give birth. 0.91
00:14:15.000 And by the way, this is all an outgrowth of a flawed philosophy of be who you are, self-esteem movement.
00:14:23.000 There's no reason to improve.
00:14:25.000 There's no reason to respect yourself enough to trim down and eat better.
00:14:30.000 Play cut six.
00:14:32.000 I'm a person that believes in health.
00:14:36.000 So when you talk about not discriminating against someone because of their body type, it's not fighting against obesity.
00:14:42.000 It's just being fair.
00:14:43.000 And so I think this is the right thing to do.
00:14:47.000 We're going to continue to talk about our progressive health agenda.
00:14:51.000 And science has shown that body type is not a connection to if you're healthy or unhealthy.
00:14:57.000 And I think that's a misnomer that we are really dispelling.
00:15:01.000 When it comes to COVID, when it comes to heart disease, when it comes to diabetes, being overweight puts you at risk of dying or having a significant, significantly difficult journey with all of those things.
00:15:15.000 Here's the real talk.
00:15:17.000 Shame is one of the best tools we have for promoting health. 0.94
00:15:21.000 You should not feel comfortable if you're hundreds of pounds overweight.
00:15:24.000 And in research of doing this story, I couldn't believe it.
00:15:27.000 There is an organization with a website called the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance.
00:15:35.000 Well, at least they acknowledge they're fat.
00:15:38.000 And you could donate at giveto naafa.com.
00:15:42.000 They call it size freedom.
00:15:44.000 I thought this was a trolling website.
00:15:47.000 Now, I'd love to learn what their lunch budget is because that would definitely break the bank.
00:15:53.000 Fat Liberation Month. 0.71
00:15:55.000 No, this is a real website.
00:15:56.000 One-third of the world's population is fat, yet fat people are discriminated against in all aspects of daily life.
00:16:02.000 Now, this is a type of discrimination that we shouldn't have any problem with because this is something you can change.
00:16:09.000 Remember, racial discrimination is inherently evil and bigoted because you're discriminating against something that somebody cannot change.
00:16:16.000 It's an immutable characteristic.
00:16:18.000 You are able to lose weight.
00:16:19.000 You're able to stop eating.
00:16:21.000 Saturated fat, carbohydrates, eating every two hours.
00:16:25.000 The human body is not meant to be 200 pounds overweight.
00:16:28.000 So literally, this is on this website.
00:16:30.000 Our work towards hashtag equality at every size is changing the world.
00:16:35.000 Here is cut five, the chair of the National Association of Fat Acceptance, the NAAFA.
00:16:42.000 This is the new civil rights campaign, everybody.
00:16:45.000 Yeah, we had the NAACP, we had the Civil Rights Act. 0.99
00:16:48.000 Now we need to reaccommodate society for obese gluttons. 0.99
00:16:52.000 Play cut five. 0.64
00:16:54.000 As the chair of the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance and a co-founder of the Campaign for Size Freedom, I am so thrilled at the example that New York City is setting today.
00:17:07.000 We all know, y'all know, New York is the global city.
00:17:10.000 And this will ripple across the globe in terms of showing to people all over the world that discrimination against people based on their body size is wrong and is something that we can change.
00:17:26.000 No, if you are obese, you should have to buy two airplane tickets.
00:17:31.000 If you are obese, you should be treated differently if you want to buy a ticket, if you want to enter into something where a skinny person or somebody taking care of themselves otherwise will be disenfranchised.
00:17:43.000 This is the one thing where you have agency and you have free will.
00:17:48.000 If you are overweight, have enough respect for yourself to do something about it.
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00:19:00.000 As predicted, we got an email here.
00:19:02.000 Charlie, I'm a longtime supporter.
00:19:03.000 I'm 145 pounds overweight.
00:19:06.000 And I'm really disgusted by your tone and your attitude.
00:19:08.000 Who do you think you are saying that I should not have the same rights as other people? 0.75
00:19:12.000 I'm a Trump supporter, and yes, I'm fat. 0.99
00:19:15.000 Screw you. 1.00
00:19:17.000 Well, I hope you lose some weight. 1.00
00:19:19.000 And I'm sorry that I'm not going to affirm gluttony, which is one of the seven deadly sins.
00:19:24.000 I think you might be a sweet person, a nice person, but our country is far overweight.
00:19:28.000 It's not easy to trim off the pounds, but you just admitted you're 145 pounds overweight.
00:19:34.000 There's probably a lifestyle element that plays into that.
00:19:38.000 And by the way, I care about you so much, I care about the audience so much that I don't want you to have to have type 2 diabetes or having heart disease.
00:19:47.000 Having a trim physique is best for all of your health outcomes.
00:19:52.000 In a moment we have Andy Biggs, but just think about it's an unbelievably obese younger generation.
00:19:58.000 Think about the standard we are setting where it says you don't have to watch what you eat, you don't have to exercise.
00:20:03.000 It's bad for everybody.
00:20:04.000 It's bad for a nation's self-control, for health outcomes, all that.
00:20:06.000 Okay, back to the looming debt ceiling debate.
00:20:10.000 The fabulous, terrific, excellent.
00:20:12.000 Congressman Andy Biggs joins us now.
00:20:14.000 Congressman Biggs, I assume I haven't seen it yet.
00:20:17.000 You're against this bill.
00:20:18.000 I don't think that's going to be too much of a speculation.
00:20:22.000 Tell us why and walk us through the details.
00:20:24.000 Take as much time as you need.
00:20:26.000 Sounds good, Charlie.
00:20:27.000 Thanks.
00:20:27.000 Good to be with you.
00:20:28.000 And yes, of course, I'm against this plan.
00:20:31.000 And I'm going to start off with the most glaring aspect of this.
00:20:36.000 That is, they raise the debt ceilings.
00:20:39.000 They erase all caps for 19 months.
00:20:42.000 So that means any authorization, anything that's already been pre-authorized, it will just go ahead and head and add to the debt.
00:20:51.000 And they've been doing that until January 1st, 2025.
00:20:54.000 Now, the way to think about that is at the normal CBO rate, you would have approximately $4 to $4.5 trillion added to the national debt.
00:21:04.000 So you would go from roughly $32 to almost $37 trillion in national debt in just a year and a half.
00:21:12.000 I mean, that's the reality.
00:21:14.000 That's sad, but that's true.
00:21:16.000 Then we move over to a whole series of things.
00:21:19.000 And I'll go those, and you just stop me if you think I'm not a roller.
00:21:24.000 Congressman, only interrupt.
00:21:25.000 Just go through the details.
00:21:26.000 Our audience is super into the wonky stuff.
00:21:28.000 So take as much time as you need.
00:21:30.000 Okay.
00:21:31.000 All right.
00:21:31.000 So let's talk about the so-called spending cuts.
00:21:37.000 So they claim that they've reduced spending, but the spending cut is ostensibly $12 billion vis-a-vis a $4 trillion ceiling increase.
00:21:48.000 And some analysts have said that it actually looks like it's more like an increase in spending by $19 trillion.
00:21:55.000 So the biggest aspect of what Kevin McCarthy is touting as a reduction in spending is something called administrative PAYGO.
00:22:04.000 We've had PAYGO in Congress for literally years, but we keep growing spending because Congress will waive PAYGO.
00:22:10.000 Well, the administrative PAYGO is actually a weirder deal because it, first of all, it sunsets after one year.
00:22:20.000 I'm not kidding you.
00:22:21.000 So before the Biden administration is even out of office, the administrative PAYGO provision, which they keep telling me is transformative, goes away.
00:22:27.000 But here's the deal.
00:22:30.000 What administrative PAYGO is supposed to do is any agency, any bureaucracy is supposed to determine how they're going to pay for new programs, et cetera.
00:22:39.000 Well, it can be waived at any time by the director of Office of Management and Budget, who happens to be a Democrat Biden appointee.
00:22:50.000 So they don't have to, and it can't be litigated, by the way, because that's the way they've drafted it.
00:22:56.000 They said you can't litigate it.
00:22:58.000 So it's going to basically put into the hands of this leftist Democrat the ability on any PAYGO, any agency that seeks a waiver.
00:23:08.000 They get the waiver.
00:23:09.000 Now, why is that important?
00:23:11.000 It's because of the so-called $2 trillion that the CBO is saying that the McCarthy-Biden plan saves.
00:23:20.000 That's $1.5 trillion of it.
00:23:22.000 So that's basically a unicorn.
00:23:25.000 It's a leprechaun.
00:23:26.000 It doesn't exist.
00:23:27.000 And so now you throw out the $1.5.
00:23:30.000 Now, what happens to the rest of it?
00:23:33.000 Well, let's talk about this notion of the tax IRS agents, the new agents.
00:23:42.000 That was pre-authorized.
00:23:43.000 The money's already in place.
00:23:46.000 And what the Biden-McCarthy or McCaith McCarthy-Biden plan does is it sets aside and says $1.4 billion for this coming year.
00:23:56.000 You can't spend it to hire agents.
00:23:59.000 Well, since the money's already allocated, already sitting there, all that does is that it has a back-end effect.
00:24:07.000 So you take it off the back end of the $71 billion that's there for agents.
00:24:12.000 And so now you have $69 billion roughly.
00:24:15.000 And that doesn't prevent them from continuing on with the hiring of the IRS agents for this year.
00:24:21.000 So that's bogus.
00:24:22.000 That's ephemeral as well.
00:24:24.000 You know, let me see.
00:24:26.000 I got this whole thing here, but Charlie, I've written down so many things here.
00:24:29.000 No, please.
00:24:29.000 Okay.
00:24:30.000 Yes.
00:24:30.000 Yes.
00:24:31.000 So they claim that they've frozen the discretionary funding at the 2022 rates.
00:24:41.000 And actually, that's where they get their $12 billion because it's actually $12 billion below the 2023 rates.
00:24:47.000 But what they've done, though, is those caps are artificial and they sit between 22 and 23 numbers.
00:24:56.000 So I know this is hard to fathom how this works, but they're placing those ostensible caps in there for two years.
00:25:05.000 By the way, anybody can you can always waive those caps.
00:25:09.000 And then they say for four years, this is where the CBO says you get another four or $600 billion in savings, is that there'll be four years more of optional caps.
00:25:20.000 Notice how I said the word optional?
00:25:22.000 Charlie, those aren't mandatory because you can't legally mandate and bind the next legislative legislature.
00:25:30.000 So that's ephemeral.
00:25:32.000 So all of that $2.1 trillion that they say that they're cutting out, that doesn't exist.
00:25:37.000 It's all make-believe.
00:25:38.000 It's all make-believe.
00:25:39.000 So let's see what else I got here.
00:25:41.000 Yeah, let me just interrupt because, you know, and you addressed this, but I just want to make sure that, you know, I was on this briefing call yesterday.
00:25:48.000 I decided to call in from the speaker's office.
00:25:50.000 I'm sure you've heard the talking points, right?
00:25:52.000 And the IRS one in particular, again, I'm not in the wonkiness of the weeds here, but you are.
00:25:56.000 They say it deprives them of this, but you're saying that's not true, right?
00:26:00.000 They say that because there's this money off the psychic.
00:26:02.000 So can you just clarify that?
00:26:04.000 Because we're getting a lot of emails about that.
00:26:06.000 And there's like these two competing universes.
00:26:08.000 Please walk us through that.
00:26:10.000 Yeah.
00:26:11.000 So in Biden's IRA, the Inflation Reduction Act, they included $80 billion for IRS.
00:26:20.000 $71 billion was to hire these new 87,000 IRS agents.
00:26:26.000 What this bill does is it says, okay, we're going to, by the way, that's pre-authorized.
00:26:33.000 That money's out the door and will be used for the next 10 years.
00:26:39.000 McCarthy's plan comes out and says, well, wait, we're going to stop you at 1.4.
00:26:43.000 You can't spend the 1.4.
00:26:45.000 Okay.
00:26:45.000 That 1.4 doesn't apply up front necessarily.
00:26:49.000 It can be at the end.
00:26:51.000 And they can use it any way they want because money is fungible and money can be supplanted.
00:26:56.000 So the point is, you haven't stopped them from hiring agents in this year.
00:27:04.000 What McCarthy should have done is taken the first bill we passed out of here that did repeal all of that spending, took it away, and proscribed or prohibited the hiring of agents.
00:27:18.000 That's not in this bill.
00:27:20.000 That's not in the bill.
00:27:22.000 So that's the reality of it.
00:27:25.000 Yeah.
00:27:25.000 So Breitbart.com, who I have respect for, says that this is a $2 trillion spent.
00:27:31.000 I'm sure you saw the headline.
00:27:32.000 $2 trillion getting cut.
00:27:34.000 Why is that headline misleading?
00:27:38.000 Oh, because the $2 trillion is based on what I was talking about.
00:27:42.000 The first one being this, well, let's just take this $600 billion in the spending caps.
00:27:53.000 So they're ostensibly freezing them at a certain level with a very small growth.
00:27:57.000 So you can't spend more than this amount of money.
00:28:00.000 And that's only hard for two years, fiscal year 23 and 24.
00:28:06.000 When you get to fiscal year 25 and for the next four years, it's optional.
00:28:12.000 It's optional.
00:28:13.000 But CBO scored it as if it was mandatory.
00:28:18.000 So you follow me there?
00:28:19.000 So that's $600 billion.
00:28:20.000 So is it then cuts or slowdowns in the rates of growth?
00:28:26.000 I mean, it's...
00:28:26.000 Slowdowns in the rates of growth.
00:28:28.000 Yeah.
00:28:29.000 This is Orwellian newspeak stuff, right?
00:28:31.000 Because it's called a cut, but it's not really a cut.
00:28:34.000 Exactly.
00:28:35.000 Right?
00:28:36.000 Yeah, right.
00:28:37.000 And so that's that one.
00:28:40.000 And that's why you get there.
00:28:43.000 The $1.5 trillion deal, what that is, that's the admin pay go.
00:28:50.000 So the admin pay go, so the way that works, that's what I was telling you to begin with.
00:28:56.000 They scored that as a $1.5 trillion savings over 10 years.
00:29:01.000 But here's the deal.
00:29:05.000 The director of OMB, who is a leftist Democrat appointed by the Biden administration, can waive the PAYGO requirements for any reason at any time.
00:29:20.000 And I'm just going to tell you this because I've had this from Democrat sources.
00:29:24.000 The White House is absolutely unconcerned with this provision.
00:29:28.000 And why would they be?
00:29:29.000 Because their person is the one that determines whether the bureaucracy has to find a way to pay for whatever rules, programs, et cetera, that they go to.
00:29:39.000 And their person can say they're waiving it at any time.
00:29:43.000 And they're going to waive it.
00:29:44.000 That's the other $1.5 trillion.
00:29:47.000 So that's $2.1 trillion.
00:29:50.000 And that's where Breitbart and the Kevins of this world are saying, see, we're saving $2.1 trillion.
00:29:57.000 That's not true.
00:29:58.000 That is the unicorn.
00:29:59.000 That is the leprechaun.
00:30:00.000 That's the pot of gold that doesn't exist at the end of the rainbow.
00:30:05.000 Congressman Biggs, you're going to talk about rescissions.
00:30:07.000 Floor is yours.
00:30:08.000 Yeah, thanks.
00:30:08.000 I want to cover two or three areas with rescissions.
00:30:12.000 I proposed a long time ago, and it was adopted in the last bill, about $900 billion in rescissions, taking back student loan money, taking back IRS money, taking back COVID relief money, taking back Green New Deal subsidies.
00:30:25.000 This particular bill, instead of having $900 billion in rescissions, is at claimed to be $29 billion.
00:30:36.000 So they got rid of any of the Green New Deal subsidies and tax credits.
00:30:40.000 They're letting those stay in.
00:30:41.000 Those are going to stay active, by the way.
00:30:44.000 That's the point.
00:30:46.000 The Biden administration negotiated, apparently, those out.
00:30:50.000 Then the second thing is they got rid of all the other subsidies except for the COVID relief.
00:30:57.000 And they're going to rescind that.
00:30:59.000 But they've acknowledged it's $29 billion.
00:31:01.000 But they're going to set aside $22 billion, Charlie, off to the side, and those are going to be used to go around these putative debt ceiling or these spending caps.
00:31:14.000 So when they say they've got spending caps, they've got some programs that they're going to need more money for.
00:31:19.000 So they're going to move that $22 billion from the rescissions around and put it in for that.
00:31:24.000 So the actual rescission amount drops down to about $6 billion.
00:31:28.000 And the team of McCarthy Biden are telling everybody that this is the highest rescissions ever in the history of America.
00:31:38.000 The highest rescissions would have been if they would have stuck with the $900 billion.
00:31:41.000 And if you want to know how bad this plan is, the economic advisor for Joe Biden just tweeted out that the deal with McCarthy helps cement in the progressive agenda.
00:31:53.000 So what do you think is the legislative future of this bill?
00:31:58.000 I think right now we're getting more and more Republicans on board.
00:32:01.000 I hope that the only critical mass that really matters if we can get more than 113 or more than half of the Republicans to vote no, because ostensibly Kevin's not going to bring it to the floor.
00:32:12.000 But I believe you're going to have 150 or so Democrats that vote for this.
00:32:17.000 And I think you're going to have right now, you might have a similar number of Republicans who vote for it in the House.
00:32:23.000 Then it goes to the Senate.
00:32:24.000 You will certainly get your usual gang of 10 to 12 goofy Republicans who vote with the Democrats for it.
00:32:32.000 And then it goes to Biden and gets signed.
00:32:36.000 Is that for depressing?
00:32:37.000 That's just the way we go.
00:32:38.000 Can you just walk through the timeline, though?
00:32:41.000 When did you first hear about this bill and how were you notified?
00:32:45.000 Reporting says that you heard about it Saturday evening on like kind of a conference call because you were a little bit, were you kept in the dark?
00:32:54.000 Just walk us through that.
00:32:56.000 Well, I would be lying if I didn't say I'd heard rumors about various aspects of this for weeks, but they were just that.
00:33:04.000 They were rumors and I couldn't verify with anyone.
00:33:07.000 So we were told late last week that we had to stay within 24 hours of Washington, D.C.
00:33:16.000 And so I want to say while I was driving down to Maricopa to speak on Saturday, I think they notified us that that's when I think they told us that we would have a conference that evening, Saturday evening, where they would kind of brief us on this.
00:33:33.000 And that's when we got briefed and they said that they'd have language for us Sunday.
00:33:40.000 So got language, I want to say Sunday evening, about 9 o'clock Eastern time.
00:33:47.000 And then I flew back here yesterday and been reading the bill, looking at analyses of the bill, talking to people about the bill.
00:34:01.000 And the rules committee, Charlie, and this is important, the rules committee will meet, I think, in about an hour, 3 o'clock Eastern Time.
00:34:11.000 They will meet and consider this bill.
00:34:14.000 I believe Chip Roy and Ralph Norman are going to vote no on the rule on this, which means that I don't know what Mastie's going to do, and I don't know what anybody else is going to do, but I suspect the Democrats are going to help this bill get out of rules.
00:34:32.000 And then the question is, will they allow amendments or potential amendments on the floor?
00:34:36.000 I don't know.
00:34:37.000 Congressman Biggs, thank you for your leadership.
00:34:39.000 Come back soon, and we'll be watching closely.
00:34:41.000 Thank you.
00:34:42.000 All right.
00:34:42.000 Thanks, Charlie.
00:34:44.000 I want to just share an email here because people are definitely fired up.
00:34:48.000 Charlie, I'm from Chicagoland.
00:34:50.000 Yes, people can do something about obesity.
00:34:53.000 I found a way, and you can too.
00:34:55.000 I went from 420 pounds to 190 pounds.
00:35:00.000 Yes, it was on me.
00:35:01.000 But I decided to be big enough to be threatened, and not to be big enough to be threatened by my zip code or excuses.
00:35:06.000 Life is great. 1.00
00:35:07.000 Now all I need to do is find a conservative lady. 0.84
00:35:09.000 So I don't have to argue. 1.00
00:35:10.000 Be well, keep fighting him in your corner.
00:35:12.000 Paul, I totally support you.
00:35:13.000 You have free will agency.
00:35:15.000 I have too much respect for you, the audience, and compassion for you to say that you should stay where you are if you are chronically overweight.
00:35:22.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:35:24.000 As always, I want to hear from you, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:35:27.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.
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