The Charlie Kirk Show - Soviet Socialism Heads for America

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00:00:08.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:08.000 Today I sit down with Rob McCoy and Elizabeth, who's 21 years old, first generation American.

00:00:12.000 Her grandfather was put in prison in the KGB.

00:00:15.000 It's an incredible story and an insight into how she was raised hating socialism.

00:00:20.000 And now she sees her generation advocate for the very same ideas that almost killed their family members.

00:00:25.000 And of course, Pastor Rob McCoy, who's been on our podcast a couple times before, pastor of Calvary Chapel Thousand Oaks.

00:00:31.000 Incredible conversation.

00:00:32.000 You guys are going to love it.

00:00:33.000 Great Sunday content.

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00:00:45.000 I see you.

00:00:46.000 I appreciate it.

00:00:46.000 I hear you.

00:00:47.000 Buckle up, everybody.

00:00:48.000 Great episode.

00:00:49.000 Here we go.

00:00:50.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:52.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

00:00:54.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:57.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:01:00.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:01:02.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:01:03.000 His spirit, his love of this country.

00:01:04.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.

00:01:10.000 Turning point USA.

00:01:11.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

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00:01:23.000 Hey, everybody.

00:01:23.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:26.000 I am joined by my friend Elizabeth and Pastor Rob McCoy.

00:01:29.000 This is Rob's, I think, third or fourth or fifth appearance on the Charlie Kirk show.

00:01:34.000 And I was worried about being with you because my face will get numb to everybody.

00:01:38.000 So I brought along Elizabeth Krabchak, who is, as you can see, stunningly beautiful.

00:01:42.000 And for the audio listeners, they could just imagine.

00:01:45.000 Yeah, there's a couple of folks who'll see it on video.

00:01:46.000 That's why I wanted to make sure.

00:01:47.000 I'm sorry about the podcast started.

00:01:49.000 No, it's perfect.

00:01:50.000 They can at least imagine.

00:01:52.000 So honored to have you both here.

00:01:53.000 I actually met your grandfather, Elizabeth.

00:01:55.000 Yes.

00:01:55.000 At Rob McCoy's church two weeks ago.

00:01:58.000 Two weeks about.

00:02:00.000 And one of the most amazing stories, I'm reading his book right now called KGB's Most Wanted.

00:02:06.000 Yes.

00:02:06.000 Joseph Bardarenko.

00:02:08.000 Bondorenko.

00:02:09.000 Close.

00:02:09.000 You got it, though.

00:02:10.000 Okay.

00:02:10.000 Bondarenko.

00:02:11.000 Is his name.

00:02:12.000 Yes.

00:02:12.000 He was arrested, I think, right around my age, 26 years old.

00:02:16.000 Yes.

00:02:16.000 I believe he was 25.

00:02:17.000 25.

00:02:18.000 Yeah.

00:02:19.000 And he didn't even know he was being arrested when he was called in by the KGB and the USSR authorities for spreading the gospel.

00:02:26.000 Tell us about your grandfather.

00:02:28.000 Yeah, so basically, my grandpa obviously grew up in the communist regime.

00:02:32.000 How it all really started is at a young age.

00:02:34.000 He gave his life to the Lord and was serving in the church and his family was Christian, but it all really took off when he went to a university in Odessa that's in Ukraine.

00:02:46.000 And he was almost done with school.

00:02:49.000 So he's, you know, finishing up how we would be doing our thesis' senior year and all of that.

00:02:54.000 And the dean of students called him in one day and said, basically, you need to make a decision.

00:02:59.000 Either you're going to have your diploma for the Navy school or you're going to choose God.

00:03:04.000 Which one is it?

00:03:05.000 Tomorrow, you have to make a decision in front of the entire student body.

00:03:09.000 And it was basically like an auditorium.

00:03:11.000 And he had one night to think about it.

00:03:14.000 And he went back and forth because it's either giving up your dream, which is something he studied for for almost five years, or it was God.

00:03:23.000 And he went up on stage and he chose God.

00:03:26.000 He chose the Bible.

00:03:27.000 And that was a star.

00:03:28.000 And just a few short months later, he was arrested and spent 10 years in the gulags.

00:03:33.000 Yeah.

00:03:33.000 And you read the book, and I'm not finished with it yet, but I'm at the point, I'm at the part where he was spending 23 hours a day on the ground.

00:03:40.000 Yes.

00:03:41.000 No light, no food, no water.

00:03:44.000 What he described was the most inhuman conditions.

00:03:48.000 But what's amazing about how he described it was that he said he had total joy through the whole thing because he had joy in Jesus Christ.

00:03:55.000 So just for everyone listening, I want you to listen very carefully to this.

00:03:59.000 This is a pastor that was in the Soviet Union.

00:04:01.000 They don't teach this in our schools.

00:04:03.000 They don't teach how the persecution of Christians and free expression.

00:04:07.000 I've met him.

00:04:09.000 This is not that far removed.

00:04:10.000 No.

00:04:11.000 He's living.

00:04:12.000 This is not like ancient Egypt or Mesopotamia or the Aztecs.

00:04:17.000 I've met him, and he is an immigrant to the United States, the type of immigrant we actually need in our country that loves our country.

00:04:24.000 And so, Rob, you're a pastor.

00:04:26.000 We've talked at length on this podcast before, and I encourage everyone to go back in the archives to check it out.

00:04:31.000 But there's a war in Christianity right now.

00:04:33.000 What does Joseph's testimony tell you to what you're actually fighting for right now?

00:04:38.000 Yeah, and I'm thankful you have Elizabeth on the program because I met Joseph a little bit before you did.

00:04:43.000 I was doing a freedom rally in Santa Barbara, and there's an elderly gentleman there with a younger guy, and all of a sudden this group comes up to me, and they've got Russian-Ukrainian accents.

00:04:55.000 And Daniel, which is your uncle.

00:04:57.000 Yes, my uncle.

00:04:58.000 Comes up to me, and he says, this is my father.

00:05:00.000 You don't know his story, but he wrote, he signed this book.

00:05:03.000 He'd heard about you long ago.

00:05:04.000 He knows how critical what you're doing is, and he wanted you to have this.

00:05:08.000 And he realized you were coming today, so he came down to this event.

00:05:11.000 He had to walk through the soft sand in Santa Barbara, get down there.

00:05:14.000 He gives me this book, tears in his eyes.

00:05:16.000 Daniel is precious.

00:05:17.000 He's the American story, you know, the success story.

00:05:20.000 Your whole family is.

00:05:22.000 These Christian Ukrainians that just make a go of it in America and just explode in success.

00:05:29.000 And I meet this man, and my heart is melted.

00:05:31.000 Now, he doesn't speak English.

00:05:32.000 He's translated through his son.

00:05:34.000 And as Daniel's sharing this, I said, you need to come.

00:05:36.000 And I said, Charlie Kirk, you're going to love him.

00:05:38.000 He says, I love Charlie.

00:05:39.000 I said, he's going to be at our church.

00:05:40.000 And I told him the date.

00:05:42.000 And sure enough, they came.

00:05:44.000 And what you're asking me is, what does it mean to me as a pastor?

00:05:46.000 Well, first I was moved there when he prayed for me.

00:05:49.000 And he articulated what we're facing as a nation.

00:05:53.000 And then he went on through interpretation through his son to tell me what we're facing as a nation so severe that he had seen this coming in in the Ukraine.

00:06:02.000 And I don't know if you remember this, but he's a man of many words.

00:06:06.000 And he didn't use many that day when you had him come up.

00:06:09.000 And he gave a warning to America.

00:06:12.000 Do you remember that?

00:06:13.000 Yeah, I mean, he basically said, the course you're on is not going to end well.

00:06:17.000 Something, if my memory is clear.

00:06:19.000 And he basically said, too, you don't realize what you have in America and you're losing it.

00:06:23.000 And you have to awaken because they're going to take it from you.

00:06:25.000 And he went through this understanding.

00:06:28.000 And that book that you're capturing.

00:06:30.000 KGB's most wanted.

00:06:31.000 And I'm going to.

00:06:32.000 I have it right by my bedside.

00:06:34.000 And it's a thick book, not in the sense of how long it is.

00:06:40.000 It's so thick in what you're reading.

00:06:42.000 And it reminds me of the Gulag Archipelago.

00:06:46.000 It really does, where you ask yourself, how could this happen?

00:06:50.000 And it's amazing because he talks about his father in the book, who would be your great-grandfather.

00:06:55.000 Yes.

00:06:56.000 And how he was fighting for Christianity.

00:06:59.000 And at the time, the Soviet, what was the prior czarist Russia when he was growing up, was not as hostile towards Christianity, but there was still kind of a tension.

00:07:10.000 Yeah, like, hey, we don't like this as much.

00:07:11.000 But then all of a sudden, Stalin realized that we have to get rid of Christianity.

00:07:15.000 This is a huge threat.

00:07:16.000 Like, if we allow this to continue, you know, it could be the end of it.

00:07:20.000 I think he's a clarion call.

00:07:21.000 And he was a gift to both me and to you that we are to awaken to what, you know, God, God wants to do in calling the church in America to wake up, that these freedoms and these liberties, you can vote yourself into socialism, but you're going to shoot your way out.

00:07:35.000 Right.

00:07:35.000 My parents, my grandpa always says, Pastor Rob, that although, for example, in America, in our generation, especially my generation, to us, it seems that socialism and communism is just a type of system.

00:07:47.000 You know, it's something we see in our government.

00:07:49.000 But it's really a form of religion.

00:07:51.000 But their religion is anti-God and secularism.

00:07:55.000 So Elizabeth, this is improper, but I have to ask, how old are you?

00:07:59.000 I'm 20.

00:08:00.000 I'm 21 in November.

00:08:01.000 All right.

00:08:01.000 So are you at university?

00:08:03.000 You got to hear the story, Charlie.

00:08:03.000 Yes.

00:08:05.000 It'll make you upset.

00:08:06.000 That's why I'm doing curious stuff.

00:08:07.000 I love it.

00:08:08.000 So you're at university.

00:08:09.000 I apologize for asking your age.

00:08:10.000 It's not polite.

00:08:12.000 She understands.

00:08:12.000 You're totally fine.

00:08:13.000 Okay.

00:08:14.000 So I want to walk, I want to, let's walk our way to the part I'm not going to like.

00:08:18.000 So you grew up learning about your grandfather and just really from your parents saying you must listen to 10%.

00:08:26.000 Yes.

00:08:27.000 So I'm first generation American.

00:08:28.000 Really?

00:08:29.000 Yes.

00:08:29.000 I'm the first one to be born in America.

00:08:32.000 My sister was born in Latvia, so she's the first granddaughter, but she was born in Latvia, and I was the first one here.

00:08:38.000 You kind of say that with a little bit of pride.

00:08:39.000 I mean, I'm the first generation American.

00:08:39.000 Yeah.

00:08:41.000 I'm prideful in that.

00:08:42.000 I love America.

00:08:43.000 That's right.

00:08:44.000 But we moved to California when I was five.

00:08:48.000 But sorry, lost my train of thought.

00:08:50.000 You grew up in America, first generation.

00:08:52.000 I always grew up hearing, there was two statements my grandpa said.

00:08:56.000 Be bold and do not compromise.

00:08:58.000 And that's what I grew up with.

00:08:59.000 I heard my grandpa would always share the stories, and I would hear my family, you know, tell me of what they went through and the persecution they went through.

00:09:08.000 And there's so real, right?

00:09:10.000 It was like no joking.

00:09:12.000 It's no joke.

00:09:12.000 It wasn't like, you know, some fairy tale or once upon a time four generations ago, it's like, no, what?

00:09:17.000 Well, and I have to interrupt you.

00:09:19.000 When I spend time around Eastern Europeans, it's not, they grab you by the shirt and they say, you don't understand what you have.

00:09:26.000 I mean, I met your amazing family before the third service.

00:09:29.000 And like the intensity in the eyes is like, I feel like I'm finally connecting with somebody on this.

00:09:34.000 We love America.

00:09:34.000 Yes.

00:09:36.000 But when my mom always says, when my family first came here, we fled from this persecution and we wanted to experience the beauty of this country, the freedom that we have, that joy, just so you can worship God freely and no one's knocking down on your doors trying to rip your Bible away.

00:09:51.000 But when they first came, they already started noticing little bits of socialism popping up here and there.

00:09:56.000 They noticed it immediately, but no one else was noticing it.

00:09:59.000 But because they're so, you know, used to seeing it, they saw it.

00:10:03.000 They have a trained eye.

00:10:04.000 Yes.

00:10:04.000 So you're at university?

00:10:06.000 Yes.

00:10:07.000 Can you say where you go?

00:10:08.000 Sure.

00:10:08.000 I can say I go to Point Loma Nazarene University.

00:10:10.000 Okay.

00:10:11.000 A Christian university.

00:10:13.000 So without getting yourself in too much trouble.

00:10:15.000 Right.

00:10:16.000 You're talking generalities.

00:10:17.000 Yes.

00:10:18.000 Let me help you something.

00:10:19.000 This girl right here, fearless.

00:10:21.000 Oh, okay.

00:10:21.000 I know.

00:10:22.000 But I know you're very concerned.

00:10:23.000 I'm concerned because I...

00:10:24.000 You're a good man.

00:10:25.000 So have you ever had a discussion with your professors about socialism?

00:10:30.000 More or less, yes.

00:10:32.000 I wrote a paper.

00:10:34.000 I took a class.

00:10:35.000 I'm a political science major, so we have a lot of interesting discussions and classes.

00:10:39.000 I wrote a paper on why I choose to be a Republican, why my beliefs, my political beliefs are the way they are.

00:10:48.000 And out of all the papers that I wrote in the class, that was the only one that I got a good grade in.

00:10:52.000 All the other ones were...

00:10:53.000 Really?

00:10:54.000 Yes.

00:10:55.000 All of them were political papers, obviously, but I was the only one.

00:10:58.000 Yeah.

00:10:59.000 And prior to that, straight A's.

00:11:01.000 Right.

00:11:01.000 Wait, that you got a good grade in or not a good grade in?

00:11:03.000 Good grade in, surprisingly.

00:11:05.000 But every other political paper.

00:11:06.000 So what was the story I wasn't going to like?

00:11:08.000 Oh, well, no, you'll see, but that paper she gets an A on.

00:11:12.000 Every other paper she doesn't get a good grade on.

00:11:13.000 But prior to that, especially in high school, this is a brilliant student.

00:11:17.000 And so you go into your political science, one of the classes, you have a pretty liberal professor.

00:11:21.000 She puts out her pronouns.

00:11:23.000 Yes, it is as flat out as it can get.

00:11:26.000 You get your syllabus and the pronouns are there.

00:11:28.000 And it's supposed to be a conservative Christian school.

00:11:30.000 And it says, email me if you have different pronouns or if you prefer something else.

00:11:35.000 So you probably have friends somewhere that are advocating for socialist ideas.

00:11:40.000 100%.

00:11:40.000 And I've talked to plenty of people who are in my major and outside of my major.

00:11:45.000 And all of them have told me the same thing.

00:11:47.000 It's not going to look like that in America.

00:11:49.000 What you are afraid of is an authoritative regime, but I swear it's not going to happen here.

00:11:54.000 It's going to look different.

00:11:55.000 American socialism is the same as socialism in Russia.

00:11:58.000 Right.

00:11:58.000 It's just, it's a turd that has sprinkles on it in America.

00:12:02.000 That's all.

00:12:02.000 Well, what my feelings say is it's coming from the back door, not the front door.

00:12:06.000 Yeah.

00:12:07.000 So, so does it, I'm sure it makes you angry, though, when you meet young people that are trying to tell your family what socialism is.

00:12:14.000 Exactly.

00:12:15.000 It's so frustrating because, honestly, the most frustrating thing is a lot of people always ask me, why do you support Donald Trump?

00:12:21.000 And I go ahead and I tell them because Donald Trump is never going to allow socialism into this country.

00:12:27.000 That's like a non-negotiable.

00:12:28.000 Non-negotiable.

00:12:29.000 It's like that is not tone, tweets.

00:12:31.000 You don't care.

00:12:32.000 No.

00:12:34.000 Talk, tell us more because I have people that listen to this podcast or that are out there that say, well, I don't like his tone or his tweets.

00:12:41.000 For you, it says it's irrelevant.

00:12:42.000 It's irrelevant.

00:12:43.000 Like, we must have the most unstoppable force to prevent socialism.

00:12:48.000 100%.

00:12:49.000 Because I don't think they realize that it's not just an economic thing or a free college or whatever.

00:12:54.000 It's literally every single one of your rights.

00:12:56.000 Everything is going to be taken away, and you're never going to have any freedom.

00:13:00.000 And if it's Donald Trump that's going to get me the capitalism and the anti-socialism, then I'm taking it.

00:13:07.000 So, Rob, you're hearing this, and her grandfather being a pastor and the connection of you being a pastor fighting for freedom and liberty.

00:13:14.000 So many Christians are asleep at the wheel, if not complicit.

00:13:18.000 On the other side, you and I have talked about this at some length before.

00:13:21.000 I'm seeing more Christians rise up, I think.

00:13:24.000 I think I'm a little bit love, hopes, all things.

00:13:24.000 I hope so.

00:13:28.000 Yeah, amen.

00:13:29.000 But the, I kind of update us, what have you seen since the last time we sat down?

00:13:36.000 Well, I'll give you a couple examples.

00:13:38.000 Good, bad, or indifferent.

00:13:39.000 Yeah.

00:13:40.000 So, so you and I have had a couple podcasts together, and I've been encouraged by listeners all across the country.

00:13:45.000 Reaching out to you.

00:13:46.000 Reaching out.

00:13:46.000 And thank you to all of them.

00:13:47.000 And I'm terrible at emails and terrible at social media.

00:13:50.000 And I'm archaic, and I'm a Luddite.

00:13:52.000 And, you know, I'm a boomer.

00:13:54.000 Thank you.

00:13:55.000 But to all those out there, thank you.

00:13:57.000 And I would also add that those folks have responded.

00:14:00.000 But what's interesting, Charlie, is our church has tripled in size.

00:14:03.000 Tripled.

00:14:04.000 During a pandemic.

00:14:05.000 During a pandemic.

00:14:06.000 And we have no face masks required.

00:14:08.000 We're fully open in California, even though they only allow 100 seats.

00:14:11.000 We're 100 people in.

00:14:13.000 It's Wild West.

00:14:14.000 Everyone come in.

00:14:15.000 And we're the bane of social media.

00:14:19.000 They attack us on and on and on.

00:14:20.000 But these are folks that are fearless that have come.

00:14:24.000 And that's where I got connected with your family.

00:14:26.000 Not only meet you in Santa Barbara, but your family is literally driving down from Santa Barbara to participate in our services.

00:14:33.000 And I think folks are looking at their churches and saying, if all you're going to give me is a live stream, that's like watching a fireplace on a computer.

00:14:40.000 There's no warmth.

00:14:42.000 This is not church.

00:14:43.000 It commands us not to forsake fellowshipping with the saints.

00:14:46.000 You don't understand this is a violation of religious liberty.

00:14:48.000 You don't even know what religious liberty is.

00:14:50.000 I'm tired of this.

00:14:51.000 I've had a 90-day experiment in socialism.

00:14:53.000 I don't want it.

00:14:54.000 And I'm going to go find a church.

00:14:56.000 And I know a number of them are probably sitting in our sanctuary going, well, he's not that great of a pastor, but there's nowhere else to go.

00:15:03.000 Not true at all.

00:15:04.000 But my point is, they want their pastors to open their stinking churches.

00:15:10.000 Yes.

00:15:11.000 And stinking.

00:15:12.000 I just mean that in a funny way.

00:15:15.000 They want their pastors to open the churches.

00:15:17.000 So I think there's a congregational push for that.

00:15:20.000 I think pastors are realizing that they're going to have to re-examine this because they're watching these religious liberties erode.

00:15:25.000 They're not going to stop.

00:15:27.000 And then we watch this Black Lives Matter.

00:15:29.000 And it's going to be a backlash to all these pastors who push for the black tiles because you're seeing a number, and we're watching this, a number of black Americans coming to our church who disdain what BLM stands for as far as socialism is not concerned.

00:15:42.000 And I want to say something.

00:15:44.000 The left are, they are the best linguistically, way better than the right, because they picked a statement that is absolutely true.

00:15:52.000 And so they pick an unbelievably agreeable statement, right?

00:15:56.000 And so then if you get...

00:15:57.000 Lives do matter.

00:15:58.000 Of course.

00:15:59.000 However, so therefore any discussion beyond that feels as if you're rejecting the statement.

00:16:03.000 Right.

00:16:03.000 Now that takes an above average cognitive capacity to have that.

00:16:09.000 But for most people, they say, oh, you must be an awful person if you disagree with the movement.

00:16:13.000 Like, hold on.

00:16:14.000 Just because it says this name doesn't necessarily mean, first of all, they even believe it because where are they in Chicago and the blood is flowing through the streets.

00:16:22.000 And the baby's being aborted.

00:16:24.000 Yes.

00:16:25.000 I think it was 450,000.

00:16:27.000 40% of all abortions are pastoral.

00:16:28.000 They've got 400,000 a year of black children that are aborted in the womb.

00:16:33.000 And so, but are you seeing pastors start to rise up?

00:16:37.000 Because I have seen a crisis in the church.

00:16:39.000 I see pastors being challenged by their congregants for the stands that they aren't taking and the ones sadly that they are taking and shouldn't.

00:16:47.000 And I'm seeing a pushback from the congregants of that.

00:16:49.000 And yes, I am seeing some pastors awaken to it.

00:16:52.000 And interestingly enough, not pastors you'd expect to rise up.

00:16:56.000 I mean, there's one guy in Los Angeles.

00:16:59.000 It's going to come at a great cost for him.

00:17:01.000 And he did it anyways.

00:17:03.000 And it wasn't popular.

00:17:04.000 And what he thought was going to happen was the exact reverse.

00:17:07.000 The church exploded.

00:17:09.000 What I'm going to try and do, and Rob, you should send me the good guys here.

00:17:12.000 I'm going to post them on our website.

00:17:13.000 Let's do it.

00:17:14.000 If people want to just support them financially or whatever.

00:17:16.000 And I've been so intentional in whatever capacity I can.

00:17:22.000 And this is a very important point that I've come to realize.

00:17:24.000 I have a really dear friend of mine in Chicago, and he was going to work and all this.

00:17:30.000 And all of a sudden they said, well, in order for you to go to work, you have to work behind this glass desk and you have to wear a mask.

00:17:36.000 And he said, I'm not coming into work anymore.

00:17:38.000 I'm done.

00:17:39.000 And he sent me a note.

00:17:40.000 He's like, you inspired me to do this.

00:17:41.000 I'll, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:17:42.000 And he's like, I realize I have to do everything I can in my life and not just be in the stand saying, yay, courageous one.

00:17:51.000 So every single person.

00:17:52.000 We support them.

00:17:53.000 Every single person has to take an above average, courageous stand, not just support the people that are taking courageous stands.

00:17:59.000 Let me give you an example of that.

00:18:00.000 So when I talked about, you know, this virus has a 99.7% survival rate with those who contract it.

00:18:08.000 And we know those who are most susceptible to it, 65 and older with comorbidity, obesity, diabetes.

00:18:15.000 We know our young people aren't adversely affected by it.

00:18:17.000 They can get it, but it'd be like having the flu.

00:18:19.000 It's not detrimental.

00:18:20.000 And we know the stats.

00:18:21.000 We have the empirical data.

00:18:23.000 And yet we're still having these draconian laws.

00:18:25.000 And they want to do it again.

00:18:26.000 And they want to do it again.

00:18:27.000 And they're placing these draconian laws, and it's directly attached to the church.

00:18:31.000 And everyone's starting to figure out that they keep moving the goalposts.

00:18:34.000 It's not flattening the curve.

00:18:35.000 It's not the overwhelming of the hospitals.

00:18:37.000 It's not.

00:18:38.000 And now, hey, you know what?

00:18:39.000 You need to shut up.

00:18:40.000 Put a mask on.

00:18:41.000 And stay away from each other and close all businesses completely.

00:18:44.000 And they're conditioning you to obey everything they say.

00:18:48.000 Nowhere in the history of the United States has the government ever gone this far to eliminate civil liberties, rights guaranteed in the Constitution for something that is not even remotely considered a deadly pandemic.

00:19:02.000 Well, and where's the pushback, though?

00:19:04.000 I mean, we're trying to do what we can, right?

00:19:07.000 And we were not defiant of the measures.

00:19:12.000 We weren't defiant when we didn't have the data.

00:19:15.000 I want to be clear with, I mean, what we did at Turning Point Action, we hosted the President of the United States, and we were not supposed to do that.

00:19:23.000 But we did it.

00:19:23.000 Right.

00:19:24.000 We pioneered ahead.

00:19:26.000 And boy, did we have a fun experience.

00:19:28.000 My goodness.

00:19:29.000 It was an amazing event.

00:19:30.000 Thank God for that event.

00:19:30.000 Thank you.

00:19:31.000 Yeah, I think it really played a role.

00:19:33.000 She was so, Elizabeth was so moved by you, and especially having her grandpa up there.

00:19:38.000 She came all the way from California on her own dime to participate in that turning point.

00:19:41.000 Did you enjoy it?

00:19:42.000 I absolutely enjoyed it.

00:19:44.000 It is such a breath of fresh air to be around people who are like-minded because it is so hard nowadays.

00:19:50.000 The amount of hate that I get every day just for posting the truth is ridiculous.

00:19:55.000 I've lost so many friends.

00:19:58.000 So I've just felt deeply convicted that if I've been taught be bold and do not compromise, that means using the platform that is in my generation, which is social media.

00:20:06.000 And I have to be vocal.

00:20:07.000 Whether that means getting major pushback, you have to keep going and I have to do it.

00:20:12.000 So I started posting a lot of videos.

00:20:16.000 stuff from Turning Point.

00:20:17.000 Anything that I saw that was the truth, I've been reposting it.

00:20:20.000 And the pushback and the anger from people is ridiculous.

00:20:23.000 There are people that I have grown up with.

00:20:25.000 There have been people that I've been so close with, have shared really intimate, even spiritual Christian moments with, people that I've gone to class with who know me, who have spent hours with me calling me a racist, everything that you could think of, a white supremacist, calling me disgusting and everything you could, everything that any conservative has been named, I've been named.

00:20:46.000 And it's so brutal because you're trying, it's so hard to explain to someone who's so blinded that these are deep convictions.

00:20:53.000 And nothing's going to change my mind because I know this is the truth.

00:20:56.000 I know that God wants me to be doing this and we are called to do this.

00:21:00.000 So can you dive for how do you know what do you feel when you know that?

00:21:03.000 Because I know that feeling.

00:21:05.000 There's a lot of young women, especially.

00:21:08.000 Right.

00:21:08.000 And we just, the data shows that young women are more, are much less likely to speak out even than young men.

00:21:14.000 And that's not, that's not a generalization.

00:21:16.000 That's just statistically the case.

00:21:18.000 But it's applicable to both.

00:21:20.000 Right.

00:21:21.000 What gives you that sense of boldness?

00:21:23.000 Well, of course, seeing my grandpa is such a good example.

00:21:27.000 But honestly, if you are growing in your relationship with the Lord and you are pursuing God, that voice comes.

00:21:33.000 Like God is going to give you the confidence.

00:21:35.000 And at the end of the day, it says in the Bible, like the persecution you're going to face is nothing compared to the glory that you're going to see one day.

00:21:41.000 And even when I feel so let down or feel so defeated, I know that we're going to see justice one day.

00:21:47.000 Like we know what's going to happen in Revelation.

00:21:50.000 So it's just knowing the truth in the Bible and then taking the experience of my family, I would be an idiot to be silent.

00:21:57.000 Truthfully.

00:21:58.000 Like I would be disrespecting my family and God.

00:22:01.000 So it's very interesting what happens.

00:22:03.000 Third generation of the families of socialist survivors actually typically, at least I shouldn't say typically, they're surprisingly defecting.

00:22:15.000 So for example, if you go to Little Cuba or Little Havana in Miami, the third generation are actually embracing socialism.

00:22:21.000 And so the imagery is that you have generations of grandparents that fled gunfire, were put in gulags, and were able to escape Marxism to watch their grandkids go march in the streets for socialism, the very same ideas that almost killed them.

00:22:37.000 And so you have, in your circle of friends, have you had any positive feedback at all?

00:22:44.000 Only a few.

00:22:45.000 Only a few.

00:22:46.000 And some of them don't even understand it to the entire extent.

00:22:49.000 Yeah.

00:22:50.000 It's a very, very small group.

00:22:52.000 That's why it was such a joy to be at the rally.

00:22:54.000 You're not alone, are you?

00:22:55.000 Yeah.

00:22:56.000 Exactly.

00:22:57.000 But it really does feel like that, especially, I mean, I live in California, one of the most liberal states that you could possibly get.

00:22:57.000 I'm not alone.

00:23:03.000 Charlie, tell everybody how many kids were there yesterday.

00:23:05.000 I mean, and you had kids around that couldn't get in.

00:23:07.000 And they had to go through protesters to get there.

00:23:09.000 We were fire-marshalled.

00:23:11.000 Fire-marshed.

00:23:12.000 We're not getting anyone else in.

00:23:13.000 3,400 seats, totally filled up.

00:23:15.000 It was a beautiful church.

00:23:16.000 I mean, it's incredible.

00:23:17.000 Perfect venue.

00:23:18.000 106 degrees outside where people had to wait seven, eight hours to get in.

00:23:22.000 The Secret Service.

00:23:23.000 Not just like going to an event.

00:23:25.000 You have to wait for a very long time.

00:23:25.000 No.

00:23:28.000 There were protesters.

00:23:29.000 Entrance is blocked.

00:23:30.000 The media was trying to fearmonger about it.

00:23:32.000 They were throwing projectiles at the vehicle.

00:23:34.000 That's right.

00:23:35.000 And so despite all that, students from all across the Southwest and mostly Arizona came to this incredible event.

00:23:35.000 Yes.

00:23:41.000 The media has conveniently ignored almost all of it.

00:23:44.000 Definitely.

00:23:45.000 And the president, I think, gave one of his best speeches I've ever heard him give.

00:23:48.000 It was terrific.

00:23:48.000 Agreed.

00:23:49.000 And the testimonies of the turning point kids.

00:23:51.000 Oh, that was incredible.

00:23:52.000 That was Reagan Escude, and they were terrific.

00:23:56.000 And it was things that, you know, the most interesting thing for me was I was listening to these remarkable students.

00:24:01.000 Now, mind you, I didn't know what these students were going to say.

00:24:03.000 That's way above my pay grade, right?

00:24:04.000 That's Tyler and the gang that figure all that out.

00:24:07.000 And I trust them, of course.

00:24:08.000 And I know some of their stories.

00:24:09.000 I knew Jack Bishop at North Carolina State and all this.

00:24:11.000 So they get up to go give their kind of testimony and their speech.

00:24:15.000 And I'm listening to the language and the intensity.

00:24:19.000 And I'm like, this is a different generation of conservatism than even 10 or 20 years ago.

00:24:24.000 Do you agree?

00:24:25.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:24:25.000 I mean, you saw that black girl from Minneapolis.

00:24:28.000 Fearless.

00:24:29.000 Who's just like, Black Lives Matter is a fraud.

00:24:31.000 Yeah.

00:24:31.000 Yep.

00:24:32.000 And in front of the entire world and fearless.

00:24:35.000 Yep.

00:24:36.000 And even stutter.

00:24:38.000 And I think to myself, where's the Republican Party?

00:24:41.000 Why don't they have the courage that these kids have?

00:24:43.000 And I tell you why, because they haven't gone through the stuff that Elizabeth and I went where they're losing.

00:24:47.000 They're more concerned with power than they are with truth.

00:24:49.000 And I'm less worried about the numbers, how many are with us or against us at this moment.

00:24:55.000 I'm worried about the boldness of our leaders because then that will create followers in the future.

00:25:00.000 Because what we see is you have so many people in the establishment Republican circles now that are so unbelievably weak, they don't fight for anything.

00:25:09.000 And your grandfather writes in the book, there were plenty of people that helped the Soviet Union that were supposed to be the good guys.

00:25:16.000 They easily turned you in.

00:25:17.000 I mean, if you don't mind making this connection, but we see that, I mean, I've heard of a few churches that have been taking pictures of contact tracing and they're sending it in.

00:25:26.000 It's like that kind of silencing that you see because they don't want opposition.

00:25:30.000 Yeah.

00:25:30.000 And they're supporting that.

00:25:32.000 That's a train.

00:25:33.000 And we're, and you also start to see within the Christian community, with the pastoral community, that they find more favor in the social media circles if they come out against you for being a maverick.

00:25:49.000 And don't just remain silent.

00:25:51.000 Instead, they side with.

00:25:53.000 And I'm an interesting player in this game because I go after every single one of these guys with love and respect, but with truth.

00:25:59.000 Right.

00:25:59.000 Definitely.

00:26:00.000 And they don't not respond to me.

00:26:02.000 So I go to these celebrity pastors on their profiles until they block me.

00:26:06.000 And I just say, where do you get these statistics?

00:26:08.000 This is wrong.

00:26:09.000 Why are you saying falsehoods?

00:26:10.000 And what's amazing, I want to say some of these pastors' names so badly, but it's not my style.

00:26:15.000 But you guys can figure it out yourself.

00:26:17.000 I already know.

00:26:18.000 And they block me.

00:26:19.000 They're like, oh, we don't want this discussion.

00:26:21.000 We don't want this.

00:26:22.000 And they are doing very, very sinister work when they express things that are so pathologically untrue.

00:26:31.000 I mean, exchanging the truth for lies.

00:26:33.000 Sorry, no worries.

00:26:34.000 Well, that video, systemic racism video that you debunked on your Instagram.

00:26:38.000 You probably saw it so many times, right?

00:26:40.000 Well, believe it or not, we know churches that have used that as material for teaching children.

00:26:46.000 It's been assigned as small groups, a small group discussion.

00:26:50.000 And it's just indoctrination of that sort.

00:26:54.000 Totally.

00:26:55.000 Small groups.

00:26:56.000 That's going to be your Bible study right there.

00:26:58.000 This is your Ephesians, Galatians, Colossians.

00:27:01.000 And nothing true in it.

00:27:02.000 Just actually materially untrue.

00:27:05.000 And manipulated.

00:27:06.000 And this is a very important thing, and this takes a mature mind, not an immature mind, to be able to accept that there might be differences for certain outcomes of communities, right?

00:27:19.000 Like, okay, there are certain more urban areas that have not done as well.

00:27:23.000 But there might be other reasons that has happened outside of racism.

00:27:26.000 And that's a very, that take, like, hold on a second.

00:27:28.000 You're trying to tell me that maybe it's the fatherlessness problem.

00:27:32.000 Maybe the abortion problem.

00:27:34.000 Maybe it is the fact we subsidize the worst parts of behavior.

00:27:38.000 And just blaming it all on racism, I actually think, first of all, it will never solve the problem, first of all.

00:27:47.000 Because then you try to find racism where it doesn't exist.

00:27:50.000 Like a rope in a NASCAR driver's garage.

00:27:53.000 And I just want to take a victory lap.

00:27:55.000 I have the text message to prove it.

00:27:57.000 And I wish I was so bold to tweet it out, but I was like, I sent to our team, I said, this is 100% a fraud.

00:28:03.000 Yeah, it's a Jesse Smollett.

00:28:04.000 I said, there's no way at a NASCAR driver's garage, someone comes and sets up a noose.

00:28:11.000 I'm like, this is either planted or it's a misunderstanding.

00:28:13.000 And they did this whole thing where they walk around and this whole pageantry and the media gets behind it.

00:28:18.000 And, you know, people probably still this day probably still believe it because they already had their victory.

00:28:22.000 And they don't retract it.

00:28:23.000 No, no retractions, none of this.

00:28:25.000 And there was an article that was written, like, the complicated story.

00:28:28.000 There's nothing really complicated about this.

00:28:30.000 It was to pull down the garage door.

00:28:32.000 And so they deploy 15 FBI agents to go look into this, and they can't deploy one FBI agent to prevent George Washington from being toppled down in Portland, Oregon.

00:28:40.000 And that's what they did in the Soviet Union.

00:28:41.000 They tapped down the history beforehand.

00:28:43.000 You got to take down the history so that they don't have anyone to turn to.

00:28:48.000 When you were describing that you look at Joseph Bondarenko and how he would be 23 hours in a cell and he would consider it joy.

00:28:58.000 And that takes me to Acts chapter five, where they couldn't stop the people from embracing what Peter and John were doing.

00:29:05.000 So they, and Gamaliel tried to say, look, just leave them alone.

00:29:10.000 If it's of God, it'll flourish.

00:29:11.000 You can't stop it.

00:29:12.000 If it's of man, it'll go nowhere.

00:29:14.000 And basically, just it was indecision.

00:29:15.000 I don't like what he did.

00:29:16.000 And I thought it was a waste of time.

00:29:17.000 It's like every other governor in a Democratic state that has allowed land to be taken for chop and jazz and all these, you know, and tear down their monuments.

00:29:26.000 They're just indecision.

00:29:27.000 They're not making a decision.

00:29:28.000 That's what Gamaliel did.

00:29:30.000 But what's fascinating is they did decide to whip them.

00:29:33.000 And actually, the Greek word is skin them.

00:29:35.000 They hit them with a cat of ninetails till they were bleeding, similar to Joseph Bondarenko.

00:29:40.000 And they beat them and then they released them.

00:29:43.000 And it said, Peter and John went back and they rejoiced because they were counted worthy to suffer for the sake of Christ.

00:29:50.000 And you know what?

00:29:51.000 If you think suffering, Pastor, is not having a social media following, you don't know suffering.

00:29:56.000 You suffer when you stand for truth.

00:29:58.000 Yeah, well, and people, they email us at, and they can do this right now, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:30:03.000 And I love some of these emails.

00:30:04.000 I respond to every single one I can.

00:30:06.000 I look at every single one of them.

00:30:07.000 I go through them and I respond as many as I can.

00:30:09.000 People say, well, Charlie, what do I do?

00:30:10.000 My pastor is this and this.

00:30:11.000 I say, find another church.

00:30:12.000 Find another church.

00:30:13.000 Leave.

00:30:14.000 I mean, you're not going to change the pastor.

00:30:15.000 Go with your feet.

00:30:16.000 I say, tell the pastor why you're leaving and leave.

00:30:19.000 And definitely stop tithing to that church.

00:30:21.000 Absolutely.

00:30:22.000 There are ministries that are taking tough stands right now.

00:30:25.000 And the interesting thing is they're actually flourishing, but they're worthy of your support more so than ever.

00:30:32.000 You know, we've been supported by people across the country in the midst of this.

00:30:36.000 Just kindness.

00:30:36.000 Just helping.

00:30:37.000 Yeah, they don't have a church to support because I tithe to your church.

00:30:42.000 And it's appreciated.

00:30:43.000 Because there's no other church that fights.

00:30:46.000 Well, we got Jack Hibbs.

00:30:47.000 No, Jack.

00:30:48.000 We can name 20 churches.

00:30:49.000 Yeah, but I shouldn't say there's no other church, but there's very few.

00:30:52.000 And I will say, Rob, you went above and beyond some of these other guys.

00:30:55.000 You went to a level during the pandemic that I thought was incredibly bold.

00:31:00.000 You did.

00:31:01.000 I appreciate the compliment.

00:31:03.000 And it's not a competition.

00:31:03.000 I don't know.

00:31:04.000 No, no, I understand that like this guy did it better than other.

00:31:06.000 I'm just saying that there was a very significant sacrifice.

00:31:10.000 And for people that haven't listened back, Rob, you resigned from your city council position that you worked your tail off to get elected.

00:31:17.000 You worked months, if not years, to get elected to that city council position.

00:31:20.000 I loved the job.

00:31:21.000 And you loved it.

00:31:22.000 And you were mayor for one year because you had a rotating mayor position during the shooting.

00:31:26.000 Right.

00:31:26.000 Earned the trust of the community.

00:31:28.000 You proved a pastor can become a city council member as a conservative, as a Christian, be bold.

00:31:32.000 And you resigned because of the backlash you knew you were getting for opening your church.

00:31:36.000 So I can't find many pastors that did that.

00:31:39.000 Well, I would say.

00:31:40.000 And I know that you don't want to make it too, you know.

00:31:42.000 I appreciate all you said.

00:31:43.000 Self-congratulatory.

00:31:45.000 And I hear for what you're saying, and I'm blessed by it, Charlie.

00:31:48.000 I would add, as I said earlier, love hopes all things.

00:31:51.000 So based on what you described about me, I am savvy in the political circles because I've run four times for office.

00:31:56.000 I've won three of my four campaigns.

00:31:59.000 I was re-elected.

00:32:02.000 I was a city councilman for a while.

00:32:03.000 In a tough area.

00:32:04.000 For almost eight years.

00:32:04.000 Yeah.

00:32:06.000 So I understand politics and I also understand the pulpit.

00:32:11.000 Most pastors don't understand politics.

00:32:13.000 I do.

00:32:14.000 Politicians don't understand the pulpit.

00:32:16.000 So when I say love hopes all things, I think with my whole heart that these pastors genuinely want to do the right thing.

00:32:24.000 They don't know what it is because they're ignorant of what is required to defend a constitutional republic because whether they're seminary or the system of churches they participate in or how they've been educated, there has been this slow drip of socialism in a number of these Protestant portions of Christendom that have inculcated and indoctrinated our pastors.

00:32:50.000 So they actually, I remember back when I was young, Tony Campolo was the big guy and he, you know, he was a social justice guy.

00:32:57.000 And social justice has crept into the church.

00:33:00.000 We've got huge reformed movements that are participating in it.

00:33:03.000 There's very few that see the slow drip of socialism coming into the church and they're not aware of it.

00:33:09.000 And I do believe they love the Lord.

00:33:11.000 I do believe that they are brave.

00:33:13.000 I just believe they're completely ignorant and they have to wake up.

00:33:16.000 They're being spoon-fed.

00:33:18.000 Well, and just so people realize, any pastor that has associated the Black Lives Matter movement, the most outspoken Black Lives Matter advocate, who's actually a white guy, interesting enough, Sean King, now calls for statues of Jesus to be torn down.

00:33:30.000 Statues of Jesus Christ.

00:33:31.000 So that's what the churches are supporting.

00:33:33.000 And systematically wants to destroy Western families.

00:33:36.000 Yeah, so if you just go to the website, they're pro-legalization of sex work.

00:33:40.000 That's a nice start, right?

00:33:40.000 Yep.

00:33:41.000 Great Christian value.

00:33:42.000 Oh, yeah.

00:33:43.000 Sex trade is, let's just improve.

00:33:44.000 Pro-abortion.

00:33:45.000 Pro-abortion.

00:33:46.000 And the money that they advocate their congregants sending to Black Lives Matter.

00:33:48.000 Goes to Act Blue.

00:33:49.000 Yeah.

00:33:50.000 Good luck finding out even how it gets there and how they use their money.

00:33:53.000 So it's a Democrat money laundering.

00:33:55.000 Money laundering.

00:33:56.000 Allegedly, for Media Matters out there that wants to sue me.

00:33:59.000 Allegedly, but sort of.

00:34:03.000 Point is this.

00:34:03.000 So you give money to blacklivesmatter.com.

00:34:06.000 I encourage everyone to go do this.

00:34:07.000 You know what you can't find there?

00:34:08.000 What kind of organization are they?

00:34:10.000 It doesn't say LLC.

00:34:11.000 Doesn't say 501c3.

00:34:11.000 No.

00:34:12.000 No.

00:34:13.000 Doesn't say 501c4.

00:34:14.000 Doesn't say 527.

00:34:15.000 Doesn't say S-Corp, C-Corp, nothing.

00:34:17.000 It just says BlackLivesMatter.com.

00:34:20.000 It's not even copyright.

00:34:21.000 So you try to look through affiliation documents on the state websites.

00:34:25.000 It's nowhere.

00:34:26.000 How does an organization like that exist?

00:34:28.000 Well, it must be affiliated.

00:34:29.000 It's somewhere, either foreign or domestic on an island somewhere.

00:34:32.000 I mean, so the point is this.

00:34:33.000 So then the way they get around it is you give money.

00:34:35.000 So you go to the donation page.

00:34:36.000 You don't actually give them the money.

00:34:37.000 You go to Act Blue.

00:34:38.000 Now, Act Blue is commonly used to fund Democrat campaigns.

00:34:43.000 Thus the Blue.

00:34:43.000 Right.

00:34:44.000 And they have a Republican competitor, Wynn Red, but it's not that simple.

00:34:47.000 So you're giving it to Act Blue and they're supposed to give it to Black Lives Matter.

00:34:50.000 But then you go to Act Blue's 990 disclosure forum, a world of which I know really well because this is the world I live in and nonprofits.

00:34:58.000 And you look through the disbursements and they don't have any Black Lives Matter disclosure of where the money's going.

00:35:02.000 And that's interesting.

00:35:04.000 They're supposed to list it.

00:35:05.000 And you can, I went through as many documents I could get and I had other people that know that world do the same, can't find it, which is bizarre.

00:35:13.000 And then you go through their disclosures on Act Blue and they say, well, we exist to raise money for Democrat candidates.

00:35:18.000 How that's compatible with the C3 mission of Act Blue, I don't understand how that's even close to being okay.

00:35:23.000 However, here's what gets interesting.

00:35:25.000 When you give money to Act Blue, you don't know where it's going.

00:35:28.000 They say it's going to Black Lives Matter.

00:35:29.000 No way to actually tell, but let's pretend that it is.

00:35:32.000 Do you know what Act Blue actually does?

00:35:34.000 They'll take your data.

00:35:35.000 Rob McCoy, you give $100 to Black Lives Matter because you're some suburbanite that feels guilty because your pastor told you and you live in Dana Point or Laguna Nigel, right?

00:35:43.000 Hundred bucks within one week.

00:35:45.000 Act blue will then take all your information and give it to the Joe Biden campaign.

00:35:49.000 Yep.

00:35:50.000 And they'll say, Go hit him up for money.

00:35:52.000 So then you'll get a text message from Joe Biden saying, Right.

00:35:55.000 Hey, I'm advocating for racial justice.

00:35:57.000 Will you chip in ten dollars?

00:35:58.000 Now they have transferred actually something that's more valuable than your hundred dollars.

00:36:01.000 The data, all your data.

00:36:02.000 Yep.

00:36:03.000 And that's what happens when you give money to blacklivesmatter.com.

00:36:05.000 And as a shepherd over your congregation, if you have subjected your sheep to that, you need to wake up.

00:36:10.000 No, you are complicit.

00:36:11.000 By the way, that's something you should atone for.

00:36:14.000 That's something you should apologize for.

00:36:16.000 That's something you should say, I sinned.

00:36:18.000 Because that's just not an individual sin, but that's an institutional sin.

00:36:23.000 That's going to cost them social media followers.

00:36:26.000 But that will help.

00:36:28.000 Is Peter going to ask how many you have those prayers?

00:36:30.000 Let me finish.

00:36:30.000 Hang on.

00:36:31.000 And that will be the test.

00:36:33.000 That will be the test on whether, you know, love hope's all things.

00:36:36.000 Once you become cognizant of the fact as opposed to ignorant, now you need to make a choice.

00:36:41.000 And that choice is going to cost you something.

00:36:44.000 Are you going to do the right thing?

00:36:45.000 Are you still going to remain in your ignorance even though you've been educated today?

00:36:49.000 And if a congregant has given you this podcast and asked you to listen to it and you've avoided it, you're ignorant out of choice.

00:36:57.000 Yeah, and wake up.

00:36:58.000 Anyone listening to this that goes to a church and you're like, well, I don't know if I want to leave my church or not.

00:37:02.000 It's the least you can do, send them the link to this podcast to your pastor and say, listen carefully.

00:37:07.000 You have a pastor, you have a young Christian who is seeing and hearing this, and you have someone who actually knows what's happening out there.

00:37:13.000 And every prediction I've made with this stuff has unfortunately come true.

00:37:16.000 You can go back weeks ago when I said this is going to result in rioting, looting, unnecessary racial division, pastors supporting it.

00:37:24.000 Now I'm telling you right now, anyone that steers their congregation in support of this, and there are churches here in Phoenix, Arizona, that they actually believe in good Bible-based teaching, that we're marching in the streets with Black Lives Matter activists.

00:37:24.000 It's all happened.

00:37:37.000 There are people, major churches in Orange County.

00:37:42.000 I so badly want to say the church name, but it's just not.

00:37:45.000 Stop, Charlie.

00:37:46.000 Just keep moving.

00:37:47.000 I know, but it's tempting, right?

00:37:48.000 Yeah, I know.

00:37:49.000 But that are big churches that no temptation will seize you, but that was just common to men.

00:37:53.000 When God will give you a way out, just pray.

00:37:54.000 So work it out.

00:37:56.000 That people think are great Bible-believing churches where their pastors are marching with Black Lives Matter, and they did fundraisers for them.

00:38:02.000 So these churches are funding pro-sex work, pro-abortion, pro-Planned Parenthood, pro-legalization, and pro-abolished police, and on their website, it's in their mission statement.

00:38:14.000 We seek to disrupt and destroy the Western prescribed nuclear family.

00:38:19.000 And also, they also want to remove the idea of a heterosexual, just the breakdown of how we identify for sex.

00:38:28.000 Yes.

00:38:28.000 That's right.

00:38:28.000 Heteronormative or however you say it.

00:38:30.000 So, in closing, Elizabeth, I want to ask you one or two questions.

00:38:33.000 I think you're letting us go off on a tangent.

00:38:35.000 I 100% support you.

00:38:35.000 Of course.

00:38:37.000 You're very well spoken, by the way.

00:38:38.000 So, told you I did, right?

00:38:41.000 You never let me let me haven't let me down yet, Rob.

00:38:43.000 Thank you.

00:38:44.000 I'm waiting for it.

00:38:45.000 Neither of you.

00:38:46.000 So you're 20 years old?

00:38:48.000 Yes.

00:38:49.000 So will this be the first presidential election you're voting in?

00:38:52.000 No.

00:38:53.000 Or yes.

00:38:53.000 Not my first time voting, but yes, my first time.

00:38:55.000 First presidential election.

00:38:56.000 Okay.

00:38:57.000 Yes.

00:38:57.000 So I guess I know who you're voting for, right?

00:39:00.000 100%.

00:39:00.000 Donald Trump has my vote.

00:39:01.000 Awesome.

00:39:02.000 No questions asked.

00:39:03.000 So you have lots of friends that are advocating politically and all this.

00:39:09.000 Right.

00:39:10.000 Do you see any Biden advocacy?

00:39:13.000 A ton everywhere.

00:39:14.000 That's it's in favor of Joe Biden.

00:39:17.000 100%.

00:39:18.000 And actually, the interesting thing is, though, there were a lot, they were first Bernie Sanders supporters.

00:39:23.000 And when I asked them, you know, once they start going back and forth with me, I go, if you don't mind me asking, who are you going to vote for?

00:39:28.000 And they always give me the answer, well, I thought that Bernie Sanders was our hope for the country.

00:39:34.000 But, and they go on on a tangent.

00:39:36.000 However, they don't want to specifically say they're voting for Joe Biden, but who else are they going to vote for?

00:39:40.000 I don't think they're voting for Donald Trump.

00:39:42.000 Yes.

00:39:42.000 Right.

00:39:43.000 I guess the question is: will they show up with enthusiasm for Biden?

00:39:47.000 I'm not yet convinced of that.

00:39:48.000 I am not convinced of that either, but I think they're going to do it.

00:39:51.000 Yeah.

00:39:53.000 But the one hope is that I've had a lot of awesome messages saying, thank you so much for sharing.

00:39:58.000 It's such a joy to see refreshing, positive, truth, truthful posts.

00:40:03.000 Yes.

00:40:03.000 And there are a lot of secret Trump supporters in my generation.

00:40:06.000 And I think that's why the rally was such a joy and such a success because my generation needs to see their people out there.

00:40:14.000 So you've stood for truth and it cost you something.

00:40:17.000 100%.

00:40:17.000 Rob, you've done the same.

00:40:19.000 If you're a listener to this, my measure of courage, people say, well, Charlie, how do you define courage?

00:40:25.000 Standing for truth and being able to point to something that you lost in the pursuit of that quest.

00:40:31.000 Now, that's not saying you should go out of your way to try to lose something.

00:40:34.000 Right.

00:40:34.000 But it's actually inevitable and it's guaranteed you're going to lose something.

00:40:37.000 In fact, if you're not losing something, if you're not getting backlash, they actually doubt how hard you're fighting for it.

00:40:43.000 If we're not willing to lose everything to retain liberty, then we never had anything to begin with.

00:40:49.000 Amen.

00:40:49.000 And I'm inspired by your grandfather.

00:40:51.000 Thank you.

00:40:52.000 So you're two generations removed.

00:40:53.000 Right.

00:40:54.000 Still advocating for that.

00:40:55.000 He must be very proud.

00:40:56.000 He's proud, but he's also very proud of you, Charlie.

00:40:59.000 He reminds me exactly of him.

00:41:01.000 Well, you have the same spirit.

00:41:03.000 And again, if they lock me up because of what I'm saying, then so be it.

00:41:06.000 But that's the direction I think a lot of Western society is going.

00:41:10.000 But that's, you know, we're going to keep advocating for it.

00:41:12.000 And people say, well, it's never going to happen here.

00:41:15.000 I highly doubt that.

00:41:16.000 Yeah.

00:41:16.000 You know, it's here and it's coming and we need to fight against it.

00:41:19.000 Amen.

00:41:20.000 Well, God bless you guys.

00:41:21.000 Rob, what's your Instagram again?

00:41:23.000 Rob underscore McCoy underscore at Instagram.

00:41:26.000 Yeah, let's let's finally got it.

00:41:28.000 And then do you have a social media you want to plug?

00:41:30.000 I do.

00:41:31.000 It's at, I can spell it.

00:41:32.000 It's E-L-I-Z-A underscore K-R-A-V.

00:41:35.000 Awesome.

00:41:36.000 And then Godspeak.com.

00:41:37.000 Godspeak.com is the place to check out the live streams.

00:41:39.000 God bless you guys.

00:41:40.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:41:41.000 Thank you.

00:41:41.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:41:44.000 And just a reminder, this episode is brought to you advertiser free by you going to charliekirk.com slash support, chip in some money if you can, $5, $10, $50, $100, whatever you can do, become a supporter of the Charlie Kirk show, charliekirk.com slash support.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - June 28, 2020

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