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00:01:17.000 All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:19.000 It is May 20th, 2026.

00:01:21.000 We're here at the Y Refi Studios in Phoenix, Arizona.

00:01:24.000 How are we doing, Blake?

00:01:26.000 We're doing great.

00:01:26.000 Yeah, what a night.

00:01:28.000 It wasn't much of a night.

00:01:28.000 What a night.

00:01:29.000 It was over right away.

00:01:31.000 Well, exactly.

00:01:32.000 Often on election nights or primaries, we debate whether we should go live.

00:01:35.000 I'm actually really glad we didn't last night because.

00:01:38.000 To Blake's point, it was over so quickly, and there was a lot of news made.

00:01:42.000 And now the top line is that President Trump, on his endorsements, went 37 0.

00:01:49.000 So he won 37 races that he endorsed in.

00:01:53.000 Those candidates won versus zero losses.

00:01:56.000 So the breakdown is he went 10 0 in Pennsylvania, 6 0 in Alabama, 6 0 in Kentucky, 9 0 in Georgia, 5 0 in Idaho, 1 0 in Oregon.

00:01:56.000 Okay.

00:02:06.000 I don't even know the race he endorsed in Oregon, but nevertheless, 37 0.

00:02:10.000 To zero.

00:02:11.000 Okay.

00:02:12.000 So the top line is that President Trump's endorsement reigns supreme.

00:02:18.000 And that's certainly, I think, true on the top line.

00:02:21.000 But when you dive deeper into it, I think it's more complex than that.

00:02:26.000 I think that what really happened last night was that candidates that are with the base, that are with the grassroots, went 37 and 0, right?

00:02:39.000 And there was, by the way, there was more.

00:02:40.000 Election results from last night than just the races that Trump endorsed in.

00:02:45.000 Yeah, there's the graphic.

00:02:47.000 But if you look at what really happened, okay, so we got Burt Jones, who was actually the first Trump endorsed candidate to endorse Trump in 2015 out of Georgia.

00:02:56.000 Now he's the first governor, and he's now won.

00:03:01.000 He's going to be going to a runoff for the next Georgia governor.

00:03:04.000 We have endorsed Burt Jones.

00:03:05.000 He's a great candidate.

00:03:06.000 So get behind Burt Jones.

00:03:07.000 We're going to get him on the show soon.

00:03:10.000 So that was one example.

00:03:11.000 You obviously saw with Mike Collins, who's about as mag as it gets, America first as it gets.

00:03:17.000 He won the U.S. Senate primary last night, but he's going to be going to a runoff.

00:03:21.000 By the way, he was outspent 15 to 1.

00:03:25.000 But Mike Collins is a guy who's actually got legislation passed as a congressman out of Georgia.

00:03:29.000 He is unabashedly pro Trump, he's pro the grassroots.

00:03:35.000 He works his butt off.

00:03:37.000 We're really, really proud of his accomplishment last night.

00:03:40.000 He really got close to not needing a runoff, so that was impressive for him.

00:03:44.000 But he'll go to the runoff there.

00:03:46.000 I would expect him to win that.

00:03:48.000 And then the other thing that happened in Georgia last night, and I'm hesitant to read too much into it.

00:03:53.000 I think that's fair, but there were actually state Supreme Court races in Georgia.

00:03:59.000 Three of the six seats were decided last night, all for Republicans, which means Republicans will control the state Supreme Court in purple Georgia at least through 23rd.

00:04:09.000 This is really interesting.

00:04:11.000 So, I think a lot of people just had no idea this was going on, which is not surprising because they'll have appointed judges, but then they can go up to the vote for another term.

00:04:22.000 No one has lost reelection to this in over a century, but Democrats, because Georgia is a swing state that has a pretty strict abortion law, this was a big part of their motivation.

00:04:33.000 They decided to put up challengers this time and put money behind it.

00:04:36.000 And they put a lot of money behind it.

00:04:38.000 They brought in President Obama to campaign on it.

00:04:42.000 They ran ads.

00:04:43.000 They tried to really pump it up.

00:04:45.000 And thankfully, they failed.

00:04:47.000 One of their efforts was pretty close.

00:04:49.000 A funny thing you'll notice, by the way, you'll see there's two people they were making a big challenge against.

00:04:54.000 And there's actually a pretty big gap in how they fared.

00:04:57.000 And some analysts are, it's a nonpartisan election technically.

00:05:02.000 So some analysts are saying, One of the reasons the Democrat who did better was named Miracle Rankin versus the other was, I think, is it Jen Jordan?

00:05:12.000 So Miracle Rankin versus Jen Jordan.

00:05:14.000 And they said Miracle Rankin sounded more like a name that a Democrat would have.

00:05:18.000 So they think a lot of voters were in the booth trying to think, okay, who's more likely to be the Democrat here?

00:05:25.000 And they were a little bit better at guessing with Miracle Rankin than the other.

00:05:28.000 And so that's why she did way better than the other Democrat.

00:05:31.000 Interesting.

00:05:32.000 Well, whatever the result is, or whatever the reason behind that is, we now have seen statewide.

00:05:38.000 Races that won by Republicans or conservatives, at least in Georgia, which is a good sign for the general.

00:05:44.000 Because I want you to remember, even CNN is calling the Ossoff race, he's the incumbent Democrat senator from the state of Georgia, the most vulnerable Senate race for Democrats going into this midterm cycle.

00:06:00.000 So if Mike Collins, our endorsed candidate, who came out way on top last night, ends up winning the runoff, which we expect him to do, then that gives us a really good shot.

00:06:11.000 Looking at Georgia.

00:06:11.000 Now, Georgia is one of those states that I kind of fear the most, right?

00:06:15.000 It's been a state that we, you know, we had Purdue as a senator, ended up losing that.

00:06:20.000 We ran Herschel Walker, ended up losing that.

00:06:22.000 So we've got Warnoff and Ossoff as our senators there.

00:06:27.000 We've got Kemp as governor.

00:06:28.000 He's sort of been a thorn in Trump's side.

00:06:30.000 It's a weird state.

00:06:32.000 I talked to some of the Trump 1.0, Trump, you know, 2020 guys about Georgia.

00:06:38.000 They said it's the hardest state for the president to actually crowd build in.

00:06:43.000 So, I don't know what's going on in Georgia, but it's a historically red state.

00:06:46.000 Republicans have the registration advantage, but it's plagued us at the federal level.

00:06:51.000 I think this is a real opportunity to take back some ground in Georgia.

00:06:56.000 So, we're watching that very closely.

00:06:58.000 And then again, Burt Jones for governor, that would be a massive, massive race there.

00:07:03.000 We've endorsed Burt Jones.

00:07:04.000 So, turning our attention also to Kentucky, that's the other big race that everybody was looking at.

00:07:09.000 Kentucky's fourth, which is, of course, Thomas Massey, we talked about it on the show some.

00:07:15.000 We're going to actually bring Scott Jennings, who's a Kentucky native, onto the show in the second half of this hour to get his take.

00:07:21.000 But he lost.

00:07:23.000 He lost by about nine points, which was significant.

00:07:28.000 Now, a lot of people were calling this race 50 50.

00:07:31.000 We had Rich Barris on the show.

00:07:32.000 He was even, I think, basically leaning that Massey was retaking the edge.

00:07:38.000 But what ended up happening is the older voters here were way out indexed.

00:07:42.000 They punched way above their weight, they turned out way more than Gen Z.

00:07:47.000 And millennials, and they voted in mass for Thomas or for Ed Gilrayne, not for Thomas Massey.

00:07:53.000 So it ended up being a huge, huge victory.

00:07:56.000 Obviously, President Trump took a special interest in this race.

00:08:01.000 So did Stephen Miller.

00:08:03.000 So did Pete Hegseth.

00:08:06.000 So, Secretary of War even campaigned, which is a very unusual move.

00:08:10.000 But this was a massive, massive victory for the president because he took special, I guess, special interest in it.

00:08:19.000 And that's not a surprise.

00:08:20.000 Now, I would call it the sort of dissident wing of the conservative coalition is very upset about this.

00:08:27.000 And I think.

00:08:29.000 That's to be expected.

00:08:30.000 Gen Z was very much in Massey's corner.

00:08:33.000 And I want to show this graphic here.

00:08:36.000 So if you look at this, it's coming from Chris Brunette.

00:08:39.000 Massey versus Guy Ren support by age demographic.

00:08:42.000 You can see that 18 to 29 year olds supported Massey 78.5% to 21.5%.

00:08:48.000 30 to 44 year olds, that millennial demo, 64.9 to 35.1%.

00:08:55.000 And then Gen X is about 50 50.

00:08:58.000 But look at that 65 plus, Blake.

00:09:01.000 35 for Galrain and 65%, or 35 for Massey, 65% for Galrain.

00:09:06.000 That turns into a landslide because they turn out a lot in greater numbers, and also they're more likely to be Republican generally.

00:09:14.000 But it does show what we discussed.

00:09:16.000 There is a generational divide there.

00:09:18.000 And so for now, it was a big beat down for the president and against Massey.

00:09:25.000 But we can see there's potential shifts on the horizon.

00:09:29.000 There could be potential shifts on the horizon.

00:09:31.000 Nevertheless, President Trump had a big night and he endorsed Ken Paxton.

00:09:36.000 Thank goodness.

00:09:37.000 And so Paxton's got a huge boost in that senatorial GOP primary.

00:09:42.000 So there is a tweet that went pretty viral by one of our very common guests here, great friend of the show, and that is Sean Davis.

00:09:42.000 All right.

00:09:52.000 And he had a very interesting tweet about why he believed Massey lost.

00:09:57.000 Now, a lot of noise has been made about the Massey race because they think that the Israel lobby won it for him and it turned out to be.

00:10:06.000 The most expensive congressional race in the history of congressional races, which is saying something because typically those that's like a million to a primary, and this is a primary, yeah.

00:10:18.000 So, this ended up being, I think, a roughly around 40 million dollars on a GOP primary for a congressional seat, which is unheard of more than 40 dollars per person in that district, yeah.

00:10:31.000 And a lot of finger pointing has been made at APAC and stuff like that.

00:10:34.000 And they were they did uh play a role in this, there's no doubt.

00:10:38.000 But it's also worth saying that only about 5% of Massey's money came in state, all right?

00:10:43.000 So the rest of it came from probably mostly libertarian causes in backers in California, Texas, Florida, et cetera.

00:10:52.000 Okay, so this is what he said.

00:10:53.000 Why did Massey lose?

00:10:55.000 Massey went from principled libertarian during COVID to GOP leadership lapdog under McCarthy to anti Trump Epstein obsessive in 2025 after tweeting about that issue a whopping three times in the decade prior.

00:11:08.000 So that point.

00:11:09.000 Sean had made on our show as well.

00:11:11.000 This is Epstein's point that Massey had only mentioned that three times in a decade.

00:11:16.000 Immediately, 2025 comes around, and it's basically the only thing he's talking about.

00:11:20.000 The nail in the coffin for him was voting against the one big, beautiful bill in 2025 because, according to Massey, it did too much to secure the border.

00:11:29.000 Sean ended up getting challenged on that, and he was proven correct.

00:11:33.000 Massey did make a comment like that.

00:11:35.000 Here's what's interesting about this, and I thought Sean did a great job in this tweet.

00:11:39.000 He said, Trump mercilessly Trashed Massey in 2020, calling him a disaster for America and Kentucky, saying he should be thrown out of the GOP entirely.

00:11:49.000 But Massey easily swatted that away and won 81 19.

00:11:54.000 So, Trump didn't like Massey in 2020, and yet he won 80 to 20 in his primary.

00:12:01.000 It's exactly what he says, which is Massey has annoyed Trump for a long time.

00:12:06.000 Trump has wanted him gone a lot longer than he's wanted other Republicans gone.

00:12:11.000 He's one of the few guys who Trump went after in his first term and has stuck around all the way until now.

00:12:17.000 He served, I think he served, what, seven terms?

00:12:20.000 Yeah, and he was around even before Trump was in, and he annoyed him in a bunch of ways, but.

00:12:25.000 What was actually fatal to him is when he decides to, first of all, become this character whose persona is being annoying to Trump, and then getting a lot of love from Ro Khanna, from Mother Jones, from left wing outlets because he's doing this.

00:12:40.000 And on top of that, he decided to become the face of, I'll be frank, an issue that I don't think is core to the MAGA priorities in terms of saving the country, and instead just kind of involves.

00:12:56.000 Smearing the president and his allies.

00:13:00.000 He's saying they're all protecting pedophiles.

00:13:01.000 That is an insane thing to say.

00:13:03.000 Yeah, it was an insane thing to say, especially since the Democrats were sitting on the Epstein files for four years and didn't even mention them.

00:13:10.000 Nobody even brought it up.

00:13:11.000 No, it would be one thing if there was any leadership during those four years to unseal the Epstein files.

00:13:18.000 There wasn't.

00:13:19.000 The only people that have actually unsealed anything, and you could disagree with the way they did it, is the Trump administration.

00:13:24.000 Okay?

00:13:25.000 He said weirder things.

00:13:26.000 I think he.

00:13:28.000 He shouldn't get away with what he does.

00:13:29.000 He's suggested that Jeffrey Epstein's actually alive and they're covering up that his death was faked.

00:13:34.000 He's done that.

00:13:35.000 He's done that, yes.

00:13:36.000 He said, like, we don't know where he is.

00:13:38.000 And then on top of that, he's also called for criminal charges to be brought against people who we like actually categorically know there's like no credible allegations against.

00:13:48.000 Where in fact, allegations have already been investigated and found to be groundless.

00:13:52.000 And he just says we should prosecute and indict them anyway.

00:13:54.000 Well, he's been hugely reckless with this and he deserved to get owned.

00:13:58.000 But I think it's something even deeper, actually, sort of fundamental.

00:14:02.000 And this is actually the main paragraph I wanted to get to from Sean.

00:14:05.000 He said, Massey lost because he went from being perceived as a quirky but lovable nerd who seemed to genuinely believe everything he said, which is definitely the way that I perceived Massey.

00:14:18.000 I believed that, like, listen, I disagreed with him on stuff.

00:14:20.000 I really agreed with him on some stuff, but I believed that he believed it, you know, and he was sticking to his principles.

00:14:26.000 So he went from that to looking like a clout chasing influencer who cared more about getting TV time with Democrats on an issue he clearly never cared about until five minutes ago than he did.

00:14:37.000 About representing his voters.

00:14:40.000 And that, I think, is a really interesting stuff.

00:14:42.000 And he says, I don't know if it was losing his wife, the tragic death of his spouse.

00:14:48.000 I don't know if it was a desire for notoriety or media acclaim or lucrative podcasting career.

00:14:53.000 And by the way, that's what everybody's predicting Massey is going to now become a podcaster.

00:14:59.000 We'll see him on the podcast circuit with Dave Smith and probably Candace and whoever else, right?

00:15:07.000 So I don't know what's going to happen.

00:15:09.000 In the future, but that's what everybody's predicting.

00:15:12.000 And it does feel like that was ultimately what happened.

00:15:15.000 If you do like a before and after of Thomas Massey when he was married to his wife and he had like no facial hair and glasses.

00:15:20.000 He literally went from looking like a dork to looking like Robert, like a Civil War general.

00:15:24.000 He got a glow up.

00:15:26.000 And that was interesting.

00:15:27.000 And by the way, that happens sometimes when people lose their spouse later in life.

00:15:30.000 They kind of go back to the gym and they kind of.

00:15:33.000 I'm not even mad about any of that stuff.

00:15:34.000 I'm just saying, I actually think that was more fundamental because he really had chops and credibility.

00:15:41.000 And then it just felt like.

00:15:44.000 He went in a different direction.

00:15:46.000 And I think the voters perceived that.

00:15:48.000 And he says Massey's voters didn't change all that much, but he did.

00:15:52.000 Massey did.

00:15:53.000 And they noticed.

00:15:54.000 Audience captures a real thing.

00:15:56.000 And I think Massey, he got caught up in becoming a celebrity, for lack of a better term.

00:16:04.000 Well, they're already chanting his name for 2028 during his concession speech.

00:16:09.000 So I put it this way We have not seen the last of Thomas Massey.

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00:18:10.000 I want to bring in the great Scott Jennings, Mr. Kentucky.

00:18:14.000 We got lots to talk about.

00:18:16.000 Scott, welcome back to the show, my friend.

00:18:17.000 Good to see you.

00:18:18.000 Hey, Andrew.

00:18:19.000 Good to see you, brother.

00:18:20.000 Thanks for the invite.

00:18:20.000 Yeah, man.

00:18:21.000 I'm so glad.

00:18:22.000 I know you got your show on next.

00:18:23.000 So everybody check that out and you made time for us.

00:18:25.000 So I appreciate it.

00:18:26.000 So I saw you on CNN last night.

00:18:26.000 All right.

00:18:28.000 I saw the clip.

00:18:30.000 You went off on Mr. Thomas Massey.

00:18:33.000 I'm going to play the clip and I'll get your reaction to it here.

00:18:36.000 Sot 19.

00:18:38.000 I would have come out sooner, but I had to call my opponent and concede.

00:18:42.000 And it took a while to find Ed Galrine in Tel Aviv.

00:18:50.000 I didn't expect that.

00:18:52.000 I didn't expect that from him.

00:18:55.000 Look, I live in this district.

00:18:58.000 I vote in this district.

00:18:59.000 I have voted for Thomas Massey many times.

00:19:02.000 That was terrible.

00:19:04.000 And I thought.

00:19:07.000 You know, he is, in my opinion, he has changed somewhat over the years.

00:19:11.000 And this dipping into this anti Semitism and sort of making everything about Israel, and I just, I don't know.

00:19:20.000 I think, as you know, where I stand on it, I don't think this is good for our party.

00:19:24.000 I don't think it's good for the conservative movement.

00:19:28.000 And for him to go up on stage and do that last night was pretty, pretty bad, in my opinion.

00:19:32.000 So, yeah, I said on CNN, I thought it was worth noting and worth calling out.

00:19:38.000 worth condemning and so I did it.

00:19:40.000 Yeah, you did it.

00:19:41.000 I thought you did a great job.

00:19:42.000 Honestly, I kind of with you, listen, I like Thomas Massey.

00:19:46.000 I have had affection for him.

00:19:47.000 Charlie had affection for him.

00:19:49.000 You know, there were more than a few comments in my mentions yesterday saying, you've betrayed Charlie and all this.

00:19:56.000 Here's the thing Thomas Massey used to vote, have a tremendous voting record, actually.

00:20:02.000 And then two years ago, something changed.

00:20:05.000 And then it wasn't so good.

00:20:07.000 And he got fixated on all the Epstein stuff.

00:20:09.000 He got fixated on the GOP is protecting pedophile stuff.

00:20:16.000 And I think we need to have a real conversation about Epstein because.

00:20:21.000 Nobody wants to do it because, I mean, there's like Michael Tracy, you know, and he gets widely excoriated for it.

00:20:27.000 But first fact here is that, you know, the Democrats didn't release the files.

00:20:34.000 The Republicans have been releasing the files.

00:20:36.000 You may not like the way they did it.

00:20:37.000 I have some critiques too.

00:20:37.000 Okay, fine.

00:20:39.000 I do.

00:20:39.000 I didn't like the binder thing.

00:20:41.000 I didn't, you know, like I didn't like Trump's reaction to it.

00:20:44.000 Charlie didn't like Trump's reaction to it.

00:20:46.000 But the truth is, and Blake has been out, I give Blake a ton of credit here.

00:20:51.000 He's.

00:20:52.000 There hasn't been the smoking gun that we wanted or expected or thought was going to materialize.

00:20:58.000 There's been a lot of bad behavior.

00:21:00.000 There's been a lot of gross stuff.

00:21:04.000 And that's part of it.

00:21:04.000 It's like they say, we're always apparently one email release away, one file.

00:21:08.000 We'll finally get the smoking gun that's just, oh, here's the list and every single crime this person committed.

00:21:12.000 And also, here's this video attached.

00:21:14.000 Instead, we have millions of these things.

00:21:17.000 And some of them have been humiliating for incredibly rich and influential people.

00:21:21.000 If Bill Gates is getting humiliated, if Elon Musk is getting humiliated, if.

00:21:25.000 Leon Black is getting embarrassed by what comes out of these.

00:21:28.000 If Lawrence Summers is getting embarrassed by what's coming out of these, where's the cover up here?

00:21:33.000 Because really important and notable people are actually getting dumped on from this stuff.

00:21:38.000 But the idea that there's going to be this email that gets released, and then six or seven pedophiles that are all billionaires are going to be thrown in the gulag or something.

00:21:38.000 Yeah.

00:21:50.000 We just haven't seen that.

00:21:51.000 I would love to see that.

00:21:52.000 I would love to see a bunch of pedophiles be.

00:21:55.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:21:55.000 Frog March.

00:21:57.000 If it's not there, it's not there.

00:21:58.000 We have to have rules and we have to have laws and we have to deal with this thing the way a civilized advanced nation would.

00:22:05.000 Instead, one of my critiques of Massey is that, yeah, you led on this.

00:22:10.000 You were out with Ro Khanna, but you didn't even mention it for a decade.

00:22:15.000 And all of a sudden, it became your cause du jour.

00:22:18.000 And listen, I'm with him candidly on the Iran war.

00:22:21.000 Scott, you and I might be a little bit of a difference of opinion on that.

00:22:25.000 But, like, you can't be a thorn in your side of your party.

00:22:29.000 For years now, and not build up some enemies and some ire.

00:22:33.000 So, I have no ill will towards him.

00:22:37.000 I'm just, I'm also not that upset today, okay?

00:22:40.000 And I didn't like the Tel Aviv joke, okay?

00:22:43.000 Or whatever you want to call that.

00:22:44.000 Yeah, on the Epstein stuff, you know, Massey spent a lot of time with Roh Khanna.

00:22:48.000 And Roh Khanna was using the issue to hurt Donald Trump.

00:22:52.000 And Thomas Massey started to try to use the issue to hurt Donald Trump.

00:22:55.000 Democrats wanted everybody to believe that Donald Trump had some problem in the Epstein files.

00:23:01.000 They still go out and say that on television almost every day.

00:23:03.000 I hear it every day.

00:23:04.000 There's not a shred of evidence Donald Trump ever did anything wrong.

00:23:08.000 But Thomas Massey was teaming up with people who wanted everybody to believe that.

00:23:11.000 That was really unforgivable, in my opinion.

00:23:15.000 Regarding the issues, Thomas Massey started voting with Democrats on things like tax cuts.

00:23:22.000 He opposed the president's big, beautiful bill last summer.

00:23:24.000 He voted with them against Donald Trump's border security initiatives like the wall.

00:23:30.000 I mean, look, I don't know much, but I know one thing.

00:23:32.000 There's a couple of issues on which you cannot become an apostate in a Republican primary, and that is taxes and immigration.

00:23:40.000 If you are opposing Donald Trump on cutting taxes and stopping the flow of illegal aliens across the border, you are going to have a problem.

00:23:48.000 As someone who lives here, I watched all the ad traffic.

00:23:51.000 Almost all the advertising was about those issues.

00:23:53.000 And it's like, Trump wants to do this, Massey doesn't.

00:23:56.000 You make the choice.

00:23:57.000 And the people in Kentucky have agency.

00:23:59.000 They made the choice.

00:24:00.000 They want a Republican congressman to support the president.

00:24:03.000 I think one of Massey's problems is that he began to think, because I guess of all of his online activity, that he was somehow bigger.

00:24:11.000 In the party, or more, he was supposed to be setting the agenda for the party.

00:24:15.000 No, the Republican voters here want Donald Trump to set the agenda.

00:24:18.000 And he had set that agenda.

00:24:20.000 Massey opposed the agenda, and he paid the price in a primary.

00:24:24.000 It's easy to overanalyze these things, but it's really no more complicated than that, in my opinion.

00:24:29.000 So, one thing that I am aware of, though, Scott, and I'm curious your perspective on it, is the generational breakdown.

00:24:35.000 The older voters, the older you are, the more likely you were to vote for Gowrin.

00:24:41.000 The younger you were, the more likely you were.

00:24:43.000 To vote for Massey.

00:24:45.000 What do you make of the generational divide?

00:24:46.000 And is it problematic or are those going to grow up and change their voting habits?

00:24:51.000 I mean, what do you see here?

00:24:52.000 Some of it, I think, has to do with communications.

00:24:54.000 I think Massey tends to communicate more on platforms that are used by younger voters.

00:24:59.000 And Gal Ryan, the communications around his campaign were on platforms that were geared towards older voters.

00:25:05.000 I also think Gal Ryan, you know, look, he supported the president on Iran.

00:25:09.000 He's a veteran.

00:25:10.000 He's a Navy SEAL.

00:25:11.000 You know, I think that message vector, frankly, was more.

00:25:16.000 You know, kind of wrap in the flag, wrap in patriotism, support the commander in chief.

00:25:20.000 That meant more, I think, to the older voters in the fourth congressional district, who I think are more traditional conservatives when it comes to national security stuff.

00:25:28.000 If Donald Trump says we need to go attack somebody, they're going to get in line and they want to do it.

00:25:33.000 And Gal Ryan was certainly right there on that.

00:25:36.000 I worry a little bit about some of the conspiracies and the sort of what I don't consider to be conservative messaging vectors that Massey was pursuing to try to attract some of the younger voters.

00:25:49.000 You know, but, you know, that's the kind of campaign he chose to run.

00:25:53.000 The district, you know, has some younger voters in it, but, you know, it's a Republican primary in a rural area in middle America.

00:25:59.000 There's a lot of older traditional conservatives in there who just decided, I would rather have a more, you know, loyal Republican in the job to help my president succeed.

00:26:09.000 And, you know, maybe some of the younger voters didn't feel that way as much about Gal Ryan.

00:26:13.000 You know, Gal Ryan himself, he wasn't really that much of a part of the campaign.

00:26:18.000 He was endorsed by Trump.

00:26:19.000 The whole thing was a referendum on, Is Massey supporting Trump enough?

00:26:24.000 I mean, that was the whole question.

00:26:26.000 And whether you voted him up or down, I don't think it had as much to do with Gal Ryan's credentials or his views as it did with just, I thought Massey was going to help Trump, and it turns out he's hurting him.

00:26:37.000 And people got tired of it.

00:26:39.000 Yeah.

00:26:40.000 And I want to get to the Andy Barr race, but I just have to show up this before and after.

00:26:44.000 This before and after, like Thomas Massey, the Thomas Massey that I really was a huge fan of versus what he sort of is lately.

00:26:55.000 I mean, barely recognizable between the two.

00:26:59.000 I mean, Thomas Massey is an MIT grad.

00:27:01.000 He's a, you know, what is he?

00:27:03.000 Built his own house.

00:27:04.000 Built his own house.

00:27:05.000 He's like, you know, on raw milk, on all this stuff.

00:27:11.000 And then he's like, he looks like, you said like a Civil War general or something.

00:27:14.000 He looks like he's suddenly from a Civil War general and just totally different behavior, too.

00:27:18.000 It's just, you think of this nerd who went to MIT and now he's a guy who, I'll be frank, he's chasing conspiracy theories.

00:27:24.000 Well, and you do sort of expect he's going to have his podcast next.

00:27:27.000 Go ahead.

00:27:28.000 He went from like lovable, quirky policy nerd that, you know, was always willing to carry the torch on, you know, controlling spending and so on and so forth to some bizarre peddler of conspiracy theories.

00:27:40.000 And I think he, look, a lot of people make this mistake in their lives, politics or otherwise.

00:27:46.000 It's possible to be too online.

00:27:47.000 You know, you get very, very online.

00:27:49.000 You get wrapped up in what's going on online.

00:27:52.000 And I think maybe he fell victim to that a little bit, but I guess we'll see what he does in his next career.

00:27:57.000 But, you know, he, A lot of people liked him and I think still want to like him.

00:28:01.000 I still want to like him.

00:28:02.000 I'd tie him in that way.

00:28:04.000 I wouldn't say this wasn't good enough for the Republicans who, you know, yeah, no, listen, I think that I think we could make the mistake of making too much out of this race and taking too much away from it.

00:28:15.000 Let's take our, let's open the aperture up a little bit.

00:28:18.000 So you've got Andy Barr.

00:28:19.000 I know you got, you know, these guys well.

00:28:22.000 Were you surprised by the result in that Senate race, GOP primary?

00:28:25.000 No, not at all.

00:28:27.000 Late in the campaign, President Trump came in and endorsed Andy Barr and Not only that, he made a deal to get Nate Morris, who was another candidate, out of the race.

00:28:37.000 That just left Daniel Cameron.

00:28:39.000 But look, in Kentucky, like in most places, if Donald Trump makes a choice in a primary, it typically makes the difference.

00:28:45.000 This had been a pretty close race, I think, between Barr and Cameron.

00:28:48.000 And when Trump came in and made the choice, everybody flowed to Andy Barr.

00:28:52.000 He's been a good congressman from central Kentucky in the Lexington area.

00:28:57.000 And the Democrats here nominated a very, very progressive radical named Charles Booker.

00:29:02.000 So I don't think Andy Barr will have any trouble holding the seat in November.

00:29:05.000 Well, if you could help talk to him, back channel with him, that I have some notes on immigration I'd like to talk to him about.

00:29:05.000 Got it.

00:29:12.000 If you could set that up, I'd be very grateful.

00:29:14.000 We were big supporters of Nate Morris, so I was a little disappointed to see the way that played out.

00:29:18.000 Nate's been a good sport about it.

00:29:20.000 I think we haven't seen the last of Nate Morris.

00:29:22.000 And, anyways, that's that.

00:29:26.000 So, Andy Barr is going to probably run away with this and be the next senator from the state of Kentucky.

00:29:30.000 Georgia, you got Mike Collins.

00:29:32.000 We endorsed him at Turning Point Action.

00:29:35.000 He had a big night.

00:29:36.000 Going to go to the runoff.

00:29:37.000 I would expect him.

00:29:38.000 He's probably going to mop up there.

00:29:39.000 I'm also looking at Michigan, Mike Rogers.

00:29:43.000 That's a race to watch.

00:29:45.000 So let's talk.

00:29:46.000 You've got the gutting of the VRA, Section 2 by the Supreme Court.

00:29:51.000 You've got fewer and fewer toss up seats.

00:29:53.000 It does feel like there's a bit of a momentum shift, right?

00:29:57.000 You saw that with Indiana.

00:29:59.000 We had five guys that voted in the state Senate there against redistricting.

00:30:04.000 President Trump, turning point action.

00:30:05.000 We had a big night there.

00:30:07.000 You're seeing that there's less meat on the bone.

00:30:10.000 If we're going to see a wave election, which you often do in the midterms, there's less meat on the bone here.

00:30:14.000 I'm feeling a momentum shift.

00:30:16.000 I'm cautiously optimistic.

00:30:18.000 What are you seeing holding the Senate, holding the House?

00:30:21.000 I think on redistricting, there's been a clear momentum shift.

00:30:24.000 The Supreme Court in Virginia throwing out there, you know, that crazy map that they passed, that changed a lot to go back to six to five in Virginia.

00:30:33.000 And then you look at some of the changes that have been made in the southern states.

00:30:36.000 So that alone gives Republicans, you know, a Fighting chance.

00:30:39.000 Whereas, you know, a few weeks ago, I think a lot of us were sitting around in the doldrums thinking, well, there's no way if Democrats do all these things on redistricting and we don't, you know, they're going to blow us out.

00:30:49.000 So that's changed.

00:30:51.000 The other thing going on, I think, is financially.

00:30:53.000 You know, Trump has raised a ton of money.

00:30:54.000 The party's doing well financially.

00:30:56.000 And I think on candidate recruitment, we're doing well.

00:30:59.000 We're nominating people who are basically mainstream conservatives who have broad common sense appeal.

00:31:05.000 On the Democratic side, you brought up Michigan, they tend to be looking at people.

00:31:10.000 Who are so far out of the mainstream that you take a purple state?

00:31:13.000 I mean, all those candidates on the Democratic side running for Senate in Michigan are lunatics, okay?

00:31:18.000 They're radical, progressive lunatics, dangerous people.

00:31:22.000 Look what's going on in Maine.

00:31:24.000 You've got this platinum character.

00:31:25.000 I mean, every single day something comes out about platinum, and you think, where do they find these kinds of people?

00:31:31.000 I think that's also happening in House primaries around the country where the more radical Democrats are winning primaries, but they may not be a match for, you know, more purple constituency.

00:31:42.000 Texas, they've nominated a guy for Senate down there who thinks there's six genders and should be no meat.

00:31:47.000 I mean, good luck selling this in Texas.

00:31:49.000 Like, I, how do you, I've never met anybody from Texas who believes that except this guy.

00:31:53.000 I'll call my shot.

00:31:54.000 Scott, I'm going to call my shot.

00:31:54.000 Yeah.

00:31:56.000 I think, um, Paxton's going to win the primary.

00:31:59.000 I think he's going to end up winning the general by six to 10 points.

00:32:03.000 That's my prediction.

00:32:04.000 I think Paxton will win the race in the fall.

00:32:07.000 I think Democrats, as they have in the past, are going to spend a boatload of money in Texas.

00:32:12.000 They spent a bunch of money on Beto.

00:32:15.000 They spent a bunch of money on a couple of Senate races down there, and it never pans out for them.

00:32:21.000 Texas is basically a conservative state.

00:32:24.000 And by the way, Ken Paxton's won election statewide before.

00:32:27.000 And Tallarico, they are going to try to portray him as a Middle of the road, normal person.

00:32:35.000 There's nothing normal about this.

00:32:39.000 There's nothing normal or relatable about any of this.

00:32:44.000 But to the Democrat, they'd always try to come up with the caricature of what they think a normal middle America male is like.

00:32:53.000 This is the caricature of what they think it's supposed to be like.

00:32:55.000 It's early AI.

00:32:57.000 It's got like six fingers.

00:32:59.000 And they'll always end up self destructing a little bit because.

00:33:03.000 Democrats nationwide are obsessed with Texas.

00:33:05.000 They love the idea of flipping it.

00:33:07.000 And so, what they do is they end up spending a ton of money.

00:33:09.000 It's always a ton of out of state money.

00:33:11.000 So, these guys come out.

00:33:12.000 Texas, even compared to other states, I think is a little regional.

00:33:16.000 They don't like it when they sense other people are coming in and changing Texas.

00:33:20.000 They like the idea that they're a very distinct state.

00:33:22.000 And so, then, oh, here's someone coming in to transform and flip Texas blue.

00:33:27.000 And Texas Democrats are really lib in comparison to some states.

00:33:31.000 They really are.

00:33:32.000 Like, they're much more left wing than some other red state Democrats are.

00:33:36.000 They hype it up and they blow it all up smithereens.

00:33:38.000 They make it worse for themselves.

00:33:40.000 They might have been better off with Jasmine Crockett down there.

00:33:43.000 I'm just, I mean, she, I mean, look, she is a more normal conservative person than James Tallarico.

00:33:49.000 I'm just telling you right now.

00:33:51.000 Her voting record was relatively, you know, more mainstream than anything I've ever heard Tallarico say.

00:33:58.000 And the fact that Democrats continue to try to, with a straight face, go on television and say, oh, no, no, no, this is just like your, you know, mild mannered, ordinary, you know, Christian guy from Texas.

00:34:08.000 It is.

00:34:09.000 It is the farthest thing from the truth.

00:34:11.000 And they think people are buying it.

00:34:13.000 Nobody's buying it.

00:34:14.000 Nobody's buying the shtick in Maine.

00:34:16.000 This guy's not an oyster farmer.

00:34:17.000 You know, he's like a trust fund kid they have constructed to run for the U.S. Senate.

00:34:22.000 And they're overlooking the fact that he had a Nazi tattoo, that he says he wants to masturbate in public toilets.

00:34:27.000 I mean, it's crazy what they are trying to present to the American people as normal.

00:34:32.000 And it's not going to work.

00:34:34.000 I'm going to play this Hakeem Jeffries clip because I do think one of the best arguments, and I don't think it's cope, I don't think it's hopium.

00:34:41.000 Is that Dems do overshoot.

00:34:43.000 They scare the hell out of a lot of people.

00:34:44.000 I know myself included.

00:34:46.000 Sot 10.

00:34:47.000 I guess part of how we as House Democrats view this moment either MAGA extremists are going to break the country or we're going to break them.

00:34:56.000 And our goal is to break them.

00:34:58.000 We will defeat them.

00:35:01.000 We have to beat them electorally and then we have to break their spirit because of the extremism that's being unleashed on the American people.

00:35:08.000 That's completely and totally unacceptable.

00:35:10.000 That was the No Bad Ideas conference, I think, that Kamala Harris put together.

00:35:15.000 Final words to you, Scott.

00:35:17.000 So, when you hear Hakeem Jeffries or any other Democrat say MAGA extremist, they just mean anybody who has ever voted Republican in their life.

00:35:27.000 That's the thing.

00:35:28.000 They're not talking about five or 10 people that they don't like.

00:35:31.000 They're talking about 80 million Americans who voted for Donald Trump, who vote Republican, who just want to go out and support a common sense conservative.

00:35:40.000 To them, you are a MAGA extremist who needs to be punished, who needs to get revenge on you, they need to break your spirit.

00:35:50.000 Winning at the ballot box will not be enough for these people.

00:35:52.000 They're already promising retribution and revenge on anybody who's ever been within 200 feet of Donald Trump.

00:35:59.000 And now they're extending that to anybody who ever cast a ballot for a Republican candidate in any office.

00:36:05.000 That's what I hear in Hakeem Jeffery's words.

00:36:07.000 Well, I mean, I feel for you, Scott, because every night on CNN, I'm pretty sure you're sitting around a table of people who think you're a MAGA extremist.

00:36:14.000 And you're a pretty, like, mainstream guy, you know?

00:36:17.000 All right, Scott Jennings, have a good show.

00:36:18.000 We'll see you next time, my friend.

00:36:20.000 Thank you for joining us.

00:36:21.000 Thank you, Andrew.

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00:37:42.000 A lot of exciting things are going on in California, in the city of LA.

00:37:45.000 We're always getting contacted by people who say, Can you guys get more involved in California?

00:37:50.000 Can you help us save California?

00:37:52.000 And usually our answer is, There's not.

00:37:54.000 We'll do our best.

00:37:55.000 We should work hard.

00:37:56.000 But we're still having, you know, you want to be pragmatic about these things.

00:38:01.000 But big things are happening in Los Angeles where former reality TV star Spencer Pratt has launched an upstart bid for mayor and he's gaining ground by the day.

00:38:11.000 He has great media savvy.

00:38:13.000 And Peachy Keenan is one of our California fans, California experts.

00:38:18.000 And she's joining our show now to talk about his run.

00:38:21.000 Peachy, are you there?

00:38:22.000 I'm here.

00:38:22.000 How are you guys?

00:38:23.000 Welcome.

00:38:24.000 Welcome.

00:38:25.000 So let's just start with let's.

00:38:29.000 How has Spencer shaken things up?

00:38:30.000 What's it like in Los Angeles now that there's hope in this city for the first time in a while?

00:38:35.000 It seems.

00:38:36.000 Yeah, I just want to let you know that right now, as we speak, my house is filled yet again with the smell of burning forest fires.

00:38:43.000 I live near Altadena and there's like another fire going on up in the mountains today.

00:38:48.000 So having a little PTSD from last January.

00:38:53.000 Spencer is so great.

00:38:53.000 Yeah, Spencer.

00:38:54.000 I have never actually personally met him, but I feel like I know him because he went to Crossroads.

00:38:59.000 Which is like a super kind of fancy private, very progressive high school in Santa Monica, where all of my in laws went.

00:39:06.000 I know a ton of people who went to Crossroads who were actually in his class in Crossroads.

00:39:10.000 And a lot of my family have been going to his father, who's a dentist, for years.

00:39:14.000 So, I feel like I know Spencer very well, and I'm super excited about his impending victory.

00:39:22.000 Oh, wow.

00:39:22.000 Hey, that's a good one, by the way, Peachy.

00:39:24.000 We had a technical difficulty.

00:39:26.000 I heard the second half of what you said.

00:39:28.000 We've got so many clips, and really, so Peachy, people don't know this, but you have a very well, some people know this, but your background in the entertainment industry, you did work with like Star Wars on the, you know, I've, I know bits and pieces of your CV here.

00:39:44.000 I mean, I have to say, And I said this on X and it seemed to go around.

00:39:50.000 I think he is the best campaigner of his generation, like bar none, without a doubt.

00:39:57.000 The question is will it matter?

00:39:58.000 But let's go into some of his clips here and his campaign ads because they're really striking a note.

00:40:07.000 They're really resonating with people across the political spectrum, which is very interesting, which you need to do in LA.

00:40:15.000 I literally could grab it, it's a grab bag.

00:40:16.000 How about the Lego takeoff of Everything is Awful?

00:40:20.000 Although it says three and there's two threes.

00:40:22.000 So we'll play SOT three and see what we get here.

00:40:25.000 Everything is awful.

00:40:28.000 Everything is hell when you're part of the scene.

00:40:32.000 Karen Bass is awful and burning down our street.

00:40:48.000 Like, we've never seen this before.

00:40:54.000 Yeah.

00:40:54.000 And I, you know, a lot of the AI ads that are being made are actually being done by kind of fans.

00:40:59.000 I don't really believe his main campaign video team is doing those.

00:41:04.000 They're doing all the shots with Spencer and all the drone stuff.

00:41:06.000 But these are just being developed sort of by grassroots creators on social media.

00:41:12.000 And there's just, there's more than one.

00:41:13.000 There's a lot of them and doing so many.

00:41:15.000 And they're really groundbreaking.

00:41:17.000 Well, and I would just make the argument that if, even if he's not.

00:41:17.000 Yeah.

00:41:20.000 Creating them, it's even more a testament to just how effective his campaign is being.

00:41:25.000 Because when you inspire a legion of, like, you know, diehard fans out there that spend their time creating videos on your behalf, it underscores the enthusiasm for your campaign.

00:41:35.000 Yeah.

00:41:35.000 And a lot of the creators are locals, they live here.

00:41:38.000 And so they have so much stake in this.

00:41:42.000 And anyone who lives in LA or around the cities, you know, around LA City, like Santa Monica, West Hollywood, where I am in Pasadena, we're all affected.

00:41:51.000 By what happens in LA City.

00:41:53.000 And so they just opened their eyes.

00:41:55.000 And for years now, people have been complaining that there's a tent on fire outside their $3 million Venice home, or they took their kids to the beach and there was needles in the sand.

00:42:06.000 I mean, I've seen all of these things.

00:42:08.000 They've been chased in parking lots.

00:42:09.000 I have had to step over bodies.

00:42:11.000 You drive by scenes that look like Gaza.

00:42:15.000 It's for years, years and years and years, since I was a little kid.

00:42:18.000 And so these are creators and filmmakers who are just finally.

00:42:22.000 They finally have someone that is giving them hope and giving them a motivation to like unleash their creativity.

00:42:28.000 So, there's this whole controversy about the fact that he's not actually staying in the Airstream, okay, on his burned down land.

00:42:36.000 So, again, backstory Spencer Pratt, his house gets burned down in the Palisades Fire.

00:42:41.000 I remember Peachy having you on with Charlie when the fires were raging in East Los Angeles area near your house.

00:42:50.000 And you were like on the block.

00:42:52.000 Giving us a play by play which buildings had just burned down.

00:42:55.000 I mean, it was wild stuff.

00:42:56.000 So, this inspires him to get in this race.

00:42:58.000 He says he's living in the Airstream or this is his new home.

00:43:01.000 But turns out he's at the Bel Air Hotel and people are making a big stink about this.

00:43:05.000 But what I love is that he took advantage of this.

00:43:08.000 He took advantage of it and he came out with this banger.

00:43:11.000 I love it.

00:43:12.000 Stop 15.

00:43:15.000 Now, this is a story all about how my life got turned upside down and I had to take a minute to run for mayor.

00:43:22.000 I'll tell you how I became the Prince of a town called Bel Air.

00:43:25.000 In West Los Angeles, Palisades, my backyard is where I spent most of my days.

00:43:29.000 Feeding hummingbirds, relaxing all cool, avoiding all the bombs outside of the school.

00:43:34.000 When a couple politicians, the world took no good, started making trouble in my neighborhood.

00:43:39.000 I got at one little fire, my mom got scared and said, You're moving in with Harvey Levin and Bel Air.

00:43:44.000 I moved to my kingdom, I was finally there to sit on my throne as the Prince of Bel Air.

00:43:51.000 It's just so good.

00:43:52.000 I mean, it's leaning into it and.

00:43:55.000 You know, he's got the truth on his side.

00:43:57.000 I think that is the big thing here.

00:43:59.000 It's like whether he lives in an airstream because his house got burned down or it gets doxxed and then he gets death threats, which we can relate to here.

00:44:06.000 And so he has to go live at a hotel.

00:44:09.000 What does it matter?

00:44:10.000 The fact is his house burned down.

00:44:11.000 I mean, it's an unassailable sort of origin story.

00:44:15.000 What are you going to do with it?

00:44:16.000 Right.

00:44:17.000 I mean, they want him to be in a tent with his children, like in the ash.

00:44:21.000 And the Pacific Palisades is still ash.

00:44:23.000 It's still, there's a trap.

00:44:25.000 Framed.

00:44:26.000 So, yeah, that is his house.

00:44:28.000 And to penalize him for not like living in the dirt with no running water, like with his kids, like to penalize him for that is just, I mean, it's just, you know, what they have to do.

00:44:37.000 By the way, Peachy, he said, he said as much.

00:44:40.000 He said, I couldn't even get the sewer line hooked up to my Airstream.

00:44:44.000 I couldn't get power to the Airstream.

00:44:47.000 And not only that, all the trees burned down.

00:44:48.000 And he was like, he told TMZ, he's like, I could get sniped.

00:44:52.000 I'm getting death threats.

00:44:53.000 Like, there's nothing obscuring the view to my Airstream.

00:44:56.000 People, if they wanted to hurt me, they could.

00:44:58.000 So, yeah, like, I have to go live at a hotel right now because I have no home.

00:45:03.000 And I was just like, you know, and you could see TMZ, like, the body language going, Oh, that's a pretty good point.

00:45:10.000 And I feel bad for the question about it.

00:45:12.000 They've got nothing else.

00:45:13.000 These are just like Nithia or Karen's talking points.

00:45:17.000 Um, Yeah, looking at this footage, I mean, I grew up on Via de la Paz in, you know, when I was little in the Palisades, and that house burned down, obviously.

00:45:28.000 And it's just, it's so sad.

00:45:30.000 I have family who were also burned out, and they moved to Manhattan Beach.

00:45:35.000 They're rebuilding, and obviously, it's going to take God knows how long, you know, with Karen Bass in charge of giving out permits.

00:45:42.000 And they, I read that people who did move out of Pacific Palisades are not getting their ballots.

00:45:47.000 Like, they're not considering you a Palisades resident.

00:45:50.000 Because you had to flee to another place.

00:45:52.000 And that is LA proper.

00:45:53.000 That is LA City, yes?

00:45:55.000 Manhattan Beach is.

00:45:57.000 Well, no.

00:45:58.000 Yeah, Palisades is LA proper.

00:46:01.000 Yeah, it's not part of Santa Monica.

00:46:01.000 Palisades is.

00:46:02.000 Okay, okay.

00:46:03.000 Yeah, that's what I think.

00:46:04.000 So.

00:46:07.000 When you talked to Jake Tapper in 2023, you said that your goal was to end street homelessness in LA by 2026.

00:46:15.000 It's now 2026.

00:46:16.000 And we haven't ended it.

00:46:17.000 We have not ended it, and we're not close to ending it.

00:46:20.000 How are you so off?

00:46:21.000 Well, basically, when I said that, it was at the beginning of my term.

00:46:27.000 I am very committed to achieving that goal.

00:46:30.000 I didn't anticipate some of the bureaucratic barriers that I would experience, but I am prepared to take those on now.

00:46:39.000 But you promised that it would go away 100%, and it's only gone down about 17.6%.

00:46:45.000 Right.

00:46:47.000 So why should people trust you that you're going to be able to get to the 100%?

00:46:50.000 Because let me just tell you, for the first time, we've had a decrease at all.

00:46:56.000 So, Peachy Keenan, LA resident, LA area resident, and childhood home in the Pacific Palisades, where Spencer Pratt's home burned down now famously.

00:47:05.000 Homelessness has taken on a huge issue here.

00:47:07.000 And I want to get back to that voter piece that you just mentioned because I think it's key.

00:47:11.000 But homelessness, talk about it.

00:47:14.000 If you're just a normal Angelino, are you really worked up about homelessness?

00:47:19.000 Yeah, it's the number one issue.

00:47:20.000 And not just in LA city, but even here in Pasadena, it's kind of become a mini skid row.

00:47:26.000 You see people outside any metro station.

00:47:29.000 They're just loaded up on every bus bench, passed out unconscious on the street.

00:47:33.000 Sometimes you'll even see them like bent over in that like fentanyl frozen pose.

00:47:38.000 It's absolutely everywhere.

00:47:39.000 It's even creeping into places like Beverly Hills, which never used to have it.

00:47:43.000 The Palisades was one of these places that didn't have any homeless.

00:47:46.000 It was like this pristine, like utopia because we're kind of out of the way.

00:47:50.000 It's a little bit hard to get to.

00:47:52.000 And so, of course, now it's going, you know, now that they burned it down for, I wonder why.

00:47:58.000 It's something that affects every single person, no matter where you are, basically in LA County.

00:48:03.000 And as that report just came out from Chris Ruffo and Kenneth Schrift, 70%, 80% are out of state homeless people.

00:48:13.000 And I've known this for years.

00:48:14.000 I've seen videos of people going around Skid Row interviewing homeless people.

00:48:17.000 Where are you from?

00:48:18.000 Where are you from?

00:48:18.000 They're all from nowhere.

00:48:19.000 No one grew up here.

00:48:21.000 They come here because you can be homeless here very easily.

00:48:23.000 You can get access to drugs, free needles, handouts, food, money, checks.

00:48:28.000 And the weather.

00:48:29.000 And the weather.

00:48:30.000 Yeah, you can't be homeless as easily in, you know, Montana or Wyoming.

00:48:35.000 Or even Texas.

00:48:36.000 And it's pleasant here all the time.

00:48:37.000 You can live outdoors year round.

00:48:39.000 And that's why Santa Monica at the beach now is basically an open air drug camp.

00:48:44.000 Ocean Avenue, these beautiful hotels are now overrun.

00:48:47.000 You can't even walk down by the pier really anymore.

00:48:51.000 Yeah, and that's all over.

00:48:52.000 Apocalyptic.

00:48:54.000 So Spencer Pratt has another campaign ad on the homelessness crisis.

00:48:58.000 Let's play it.

00:48:59.000 SOT 18.

00:49:00.000 Los Angeles losing tens of thousands of residents, one of the biggest population drops in the nation.

00:49:06.000 Man killed near the LA Convention Center.

00:49:08.000 Billions in homeless funds for.

00:49:10.000 Poorly tracked.

00:49:11.000 It's far more sexy to talk about all these billions of dollars that are missing and blah, blah, blah.

00:49:17.000 The system in Los Angeles isn't struggling, it's fundamentally broken.

00:49:22.000 The city failed everyone.

00:49:24.000 The insurance companies failed everyone.

00:49:27.000 Mothers that want to go to the park, that don't want to inhale fentanyl smoke from the 70,000 drug addicts that the mayor currently lets live on our streets.

00:49:35.000 If you're not shocked by what you see, then I don't know what you would be shocked by.

00:49:41.000 Just giving you needles and pipes on the street.

00:49:43.000 And dropping off a sandwich is not helping these people.

00:49:48.000 So I think he's getting right to the crux of the issue and he's just nailing it every which way you can think of.

00:49:55.000 But then the question then becomes Peachy, can he win?

00:49:59.000 Can he actually win?

00:50:01.000 President Trump was asked about this and we'll play that clip.

00:50:04.000 But your take can he actually win Los Angeles?

00:50:09.000 I mean, when you first announced, you know, everyone was like, well, that'd be great.

00:50:13.000 But obviously, LA City went, I think, 80%.

00:50:16.000 To Kamala, 20% to Trump.

00:50:19.000 So there are a lot of Trump supporters here, but we're so outnumbered.

00:50:22.000 So it's like, how can you win?

00:50:24.000 But Spencer's been doing something really smart.

00:50:26.000 He's playing it totally nonpartisan and he's making this a local issue.

00:50:30.000 LA issues transcend politics.

00:50:32.000 Like left and right don't matter, like at all.

00:50:35.000 It's about quality of life, safety, your family, you know, your ability to just like walk down the street.

00:50:42.000 And so that's very smart what he's doing.

00:50:44.000 And so, yes, I think he can win.

00:50:46.000 Nithya Raman fell apart in the debate.

00:50:48.000 We all kind of saw right through her.

00:50:49.000 She's Actually, I hate, I can't believe I'm saying this, too progressive for Los Angeles.

00:50:54.000 And then you have this quiet Pratt vote, which you have, like, you know, the sort of like, you know, LA wealthy people, the trophy wives of Brentwood, you know, these are people who love Kamala Harris.

00:51:06.000 They probably voted for Hillary Clinton.

00:51:08.000 They hate Trump.

00:51:10.000 But they, more than that, they hate that they have to see a guy with his pants down, like taking a crap outside their children's elementary school.

00:51:19.000 So it's possible that these women are like, and that add that they should, they, He did or his friends did the AI, like the Yoga Mom ad of like, we're voting for Pratt.

00:51:28.000 I think that's absolutely real.

00:51:28.000 Yeah.

00:51:30.000 And now the question is are there enough of them to defeat Karen Bass's like SEIU thug army of ballot harvesters, which is why she kind of stole it from Rick Caruso?

00:51:41.000 She did.

00:51:43.000 Do you think there's, you say LA has particular aspects, but do you think there's any lessons we could draw from Spencer's success beyond just the, you know, doesn't, you know, plays it nonpartisan?

00:51:54.000 For other cities in the US, because there are a lot of blue cities that are very badly run, that people are fleeing, but they're Democrat, and we've kind of given up on a lot of them.

00:52:03.000 And it would be good for conservatives if we can have better governance in our big cities, because they're America's big cities.

00:52:11.000 Yeah, it's so sad.

00:52:12.000 It would be so easy to turn these places around.

00:52:15.000 I mean, you could clean up the homeless here in like a few weeks.

00:52:18.000 You just have to have, you just have to literally enforce the law, just the way Trump suddenly stopped all border crossings.

00:52:23.000 You just have to enforce the law.

00:52:25.000 I think it's about candidates.

00:52:26.000 And Spencer is just like the perfect kind of candidate that can kind of transcend party lines and be really engaging, great on TV, funny, charisma, personality.

00:52:38.000 It really comes down to finding those kinds of people who don't come across as these like stiff, you know, politician type people who are just people just don't want those right now.

00:52:46.000 They want real people with real lived experience and who aren't these and also don't have a background of corruption and failure and high speed trains to nowhere who are like fresh and who have like been actually victimized by these crazy urban city policies.

00:53:03.000 And so there are a lot of lessons.

00:53:04.000 It would be so great because we've seen Mom Dami and like Mom Dami, little Mom Dami's popping up, like Nithia popping up.

00:53:10.000 It would be so great to see an army of Spencer Pratt types.

00:53:14.000 Yeah.

00:53:15.000 I went to Chicago and New York and all these other cities.

00:53:17.000 Peachy, so this morning, Trump was asked about Spencer Pratt's campaign, Sade.

00:53:22.000 True, Spencer Pratt.

00:53:23.000 Do you see yourself in him at all?

00:53:24.000 A former reality TV star?

00:53:25.000 No, I'd like to see him do well.

00:53:27.000 He's a character.

00:53:29.000 He's doing well.

00:53:30.000 I don't know.

00:53:30.000 If you have a rigged vote out there, that's the problem.

00:53:33.000 The votes are rigged.

00:53:34.000 Well, and he says in between, we cut it, but he says, I heard he's MAGA.

00:53:38.000 I heard he's really MAGA.

00:53:39.000 I heard he's a big Trump supporter.

00:53:41.000 Can he win?

00:53:43.000 If that becomes the messaging from the left, it already is.

00:53:47.000 Like Nithi is already calling him, you mega extremist.

00:53:49.000 And he did this, like, ooh, like, you know, scary thing.

00:53:52.000 Yeah, the me.

00:53:54.000 Yeah.

00:53:55.000 From the debate.

00:53:56.000 And so I think, you know, it depends.

00:53:58.000 You're never going to get the, like, ideological, the crazy ones, the blue hairs.

00:54:02.000 You're never going to get them.

00:54:02.000 You could have a homeless person burn their, like, live in their house and burn it down.

00:54:06.000 But I think he absolutely is likely to win.

00:54:09.000 Whoa.

00:54:10.000 That would be huge.

00:54:11.000 That'd be tectonic.

00:54:13.000 Peachy Canaan, follow her.

00:54:15.000 She's amazing.

00:54:16.000 Thank you, Peachy, for making the time.

00:54:17.000 God bless you.

00:54:18.000 We'll see you soon.

00:54:19.000 Thanks, guys.

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00:55:34.000 All right, we have a special treat for you today.

00:55:38.000 Dr. Hutz Hertzberg runs Turning Point Education.

00:55:43.000 And you are somebody that goes way back with Charlie.

00:55:47.000 And when we were starting our education initiative, you were the first guy he thought of.

00:55:53.000 And you have been leading this charge from the very beginning with us, Turning Point Education.

00:55:58.000 And there's so much news that you guys are making.

00:56:03.000 And I wanted our audience to hear about it because we, and I'll be honest, sometimes I take my eye off the ball on the education front.

00:56:10.000 And we had a couple guests that just really freaked me out about what's going on with these teachers' unions, what's going on with the way they spend.

00:56:18.000 And it relit a fire inside of me to refocus on that.

00:56:22.000 And that's why you're here.

00:56:23.000 So just give us the broad strokes.

00:56:26.000 Why does Turning point education exists in the first place?

00:56:29.000 Yeah, well, thank you so much, Andrew.

00:56:30.000 Great to be with you and Blake.

00:56:33.000 Yeah, I will tell you because Charlie, as both you guys in the audience know, was able to see beyond the horizon.

00:56:40.000 And he was able to see that, you know, as we all know, Charlie started on college campuses.

00:56:45.000 His last day on this planet was on a college campus.

00:56:48.000 But Charlie began to see what some of the others of us were beginning to see, and that is the indoctrination of woke ideologies was happening long before students were coming on college campuses.

00:56:59.000 I remember talking with a professional acquaintance, Dr. George, Robert George, at Princeton University.

00:57:05.000 Yeah.

00:57:05.000 A couple years ago, and I was actually, I did some work at Princeton.

00:57:11.000 And I said, Dr. George, what have you noticed different in your then?

00:57:15.000 It was 39 years.

00:57:16.000 It's probably more like 41, 42, 43 years now.

00:57:19.000 This is four years ago.

00:57:20.000 And he said, The thing that I noticed that is different with students today than when I first came here is that they're already coming indoctrinated.

00:57:29.000 It used to be they came to Princeton to get indoctrinated.

00:57:32.000 Now they're already getting indoctrinated in high school and junior high.

00:57:35.000 We would say the indoctrination starts in grade school and even preschool.

00:57:39.000 So Charlie was seeing that, was seeing that if we're going to get this next generation, we have to go younger.

00:57:45.000 And I was beginning to see the same thing in my own life.

00:57:47.000 I was in Christian higher education, never anything lower than working with a freshman in high school or a freshman in college.

00:57:54.000 But I realized the same thing that I needed to go younger.

00:57:57.000 So I made the intentional decision to go younger, and I ended up being president of a K 12 school in the northern suburbs of Chicago.

00:58:05.000 And lo and behold, That was the school that Charlie attended, third, fourth, and fifth grade.

00:58:12.000 And he was gone by the time I got there, but that's how we connected.

00:58:18.000 And that's how he knew that I existed, and that's how I knew that Charlie existed.

00:58:24.000 And I love that story.

00:58:26.000 Charlie would often tell it when he was introducing you on stage and things like that.

00:58:32.000 So you've got so many initiatives here, though.

00:58:36.000 We've got the Educator Summit, we've got Turning point education prep year.

00:58:41.000 I know we got to talk about this education freedom tax credit.

00:58:44.000 So take it as you will because they're all super important.

00:58:47.000 And by the way, your speaker list on this, where did I see this?

00:58:51.000 Right here.

00:58:51.000 Yeah, this, you've got, I don't even know, you got George Barna, Al Moeller, John Stone Street, Megan Basham, Riley Gaines, Congresswoman Mary Miller, Ben Shetler, Ryan Walters, you got yourself, Belle Federer, John Amanchukwu.

00:59:07.000 I mean, you just got an all star cast.

00:59:09.000 You got, So many confirmed speakers to this Educator Summit.

00:59:12.000 When is it, and who in the audience should think about attending?

00:59:17.000 Yeah, great question.

00:59:18.000 So, this is our fifth annual Educator Summit already.

00:59:21.000 We're just a little over four years old, and we're already at our fifth Educator Summit, which is great.

00:59:26.000 This year, suburban Chicago, Lincolnshire, Illinois.

00:59:29.000 Interesting point of trivia here, Blake, that Lincolnshire was the second turning point headquarters.

00:59:37.000 Started in Lamont, and then Lincolnshire was the second before Charlie moved down to Arizona, interestingly.

00:59:43.000 But we're at the Marriott Lincolnshire Resort, and June 16 to 19.

00:59:50.000 And this is June 16 to 19 in Lincolnshire, Illinois.

00:59:53.000 Correct.

00:59:54.000 Absolutely.

00:59:54.000 So, who should consider going?

00:59:56.000 You know, in the years that we've been doing this, which, again, as I said, this is our fifth year, we have had a great mix of public school teachers and administrators, maybe about a third, a third, Christian school, private school teachers and administrators, about a third or so, maybe 40% homeschooling parents.

01:00:14.000 And then we have some other folks.

01:00:15.000 We have some pastors.

01:00:16.000 We have some school board members.

01:00:18.000 We have people that are interested in being education advocates.

01:00:21.000 So, I would say, in answer to your question, is anybody who's interested in making a difference in the field of education and even more specifically making a difference for the lives of these children that are currently being indoctrinated if they're in the public government school sector and want to be a voice and help make a difference in the world of education.

01:00:43.000 So, I have spoken with a number of these kind of startup schools.

01:00:47.000 There's a big, big community of startup schools in Arizona.

01:00:53.000 In the state of Arizona, because of the child tax credit that was passed, we had full school choice in Arizona.

01:00:59.000 It's amazing.

01:01:00.000 If you want to break the back of the teachers' union, you break their monopoly on education.

01:01:05.000 By the way, they're fighting that like crazy, and we're going to highlight that.

01:01:10.000 So, Arizona has this great school choice, passed it under Governor Ducey, and now they're trying, they got all these ballot referendums and things like this to claw back power over students' education.

01:01:23.000 And it's a total disaster.

01:01:24.000 It's perfect the way it is right now, and they need to get their hands out of the The cookie jar.

01:01:28.000 They want their money back because there's money per pupil in most states.

01:01:33.000 All right, so that's one thing.

01:01:34.000 Okay, now you've got this prep year, Turning Point Education Prep Year.

01:01:41.000 Who needs to hear about this and what is it?

01:01:43.000 Well, prep year is one of our major initiatives and it's our newest initiative.

01:01:48.000 We have five major things that we're doing, Andrew.

01:01:51.000 One is we're starting schools across the country, the second is the Educator Summit that we've just talked about.

01:01:56.000 And by the way, any of your listeners, viewers today, if they're interested, They can go to our website, turningpointed.com.

01:02:05.000 It's all one word, turningpointed.com.

01:02:08.000 And if they enter the code CKSHOW, they get a 30% discount off of the price.

01:02:14.000 No kidding.

01:02:15.000 I didn't even know they were doing that.

01:02:17.000 Okay, turningpointed.com.

01:02:20.000 Yep.

01:02:20.000 And then what's the code again?

01:02:22.000 It's CKSHOW.

01:02:24.000 And they get 30% off a prep year.

01:02:26.000 Wow.

01:02:26.000 30% off of the Educator Summit.

01:02:28.000 Oh, Educator Summit.

01:02:29.000 Okay, I'm so sorry.

01:02:29.000 Yeah.

01:02:30.000 Okay, great.

01:02:30.000 Yeah, the prep year, that's a deal in itself.

01:02:32.000 But I just wanted to mention that.

01:02:34.000 Because the price is already unbelievably cheap.

01:02:38.000 It's $50, so it's 30% off of $50.

01:02:42.000 Okay, perfect.

01:02:43.000 And so that would be a great opportunity to take advantage of all these wonderful speakers that you mentioned.

01:02:48.000 And that includes meals, programming costs, and the hotel rooms are already greatly reduced.

01:02:53.000 We've got a boost block, yeah.

01:02:54.000 Yep.

01:02:55.000 So, prep year, though, that is one of our major initiatives.

01:02:57.000 We're excited about it.

01:02:59.000 We launched this past year down in Fort Worth, Texas.

01:03:02.000 Interestingly, from here, I'm literally leaving here and I'm flying down to Fort Worth, Texas for graduation.

01:03:09.000 We've had these students for nine months.

01:03:10.000 It's been a wonderful nine months in this kind of pilot launch.

01:03:14.000 And basically, what it is, is post high school, prior to going on to the next stage of life.

01:03:20.000 So many students today, unlike when I graduated from high school, everybody went to college.

01:03:26.000 But today, kids are actually asking the question, why should I go to college?

01:03:29.000 Even my own daughter, who's 16, saying, you know, I'm not sure I'm going to go to college.

01:03:33.000 Why should I go to college?

01:03:35.000 I think it's healthy that students are actually asking that question.

01:03:37.000 And of course, Charlie was leading the charge about.

01:03:40.000 College being a ripoff and a scam.

01:03:42.000 College scam.

01:03:43.000 They've got the book back here somewhere.

01:03:44.000 Right, right.

01:03:44.000 And so I know that his influence was huge with these students.

01:03:48.000 But we thought, and I went to Charlie and I said, Charlie, you're always talking about kids not going to college.

01:03:52.000 I understand we're in agreement on that.

01:03:54.000 But let's design a program that will prepare them for life, irrespective of whether they go on to college or go into the military, the trades, the arts, entrepreneurship, become a homemaker.

01:04:05.000 So we designed a nine month intensive leadership development program where we studied the great book.

01:04:11.000 Which, of course, is the Bible, the great books of Western civilization.

01:04:14.000 Blake, you would appreciate that.

01:04:16.000 The great documents of our country with great speakers and mentors and experiences that we give these kids.

01:04:22.000 It's an incredible experience.

01:04:23.000 And you also say, immersive skill based experiences, too.

01:04:26.000 Yes, because we want to give them practical skills that are going to serve them the rest of life.

01:04:31.000 So we teach them personal finance, we teach them firearms training, we teach them how to cook.

01:04:37.000 But those are things in the afternoon.

01:04:40.000 Make no mistake, it is a hardcore academic program, but it's also very practically oriented.

01:04:45.000 Blake, you had a question.

01:04:46.000 Well, I was thinking, you mentioned great books.

01:04:48.000 Do you have some good examples?

01:04:49.000 Like, what are some of the highlights of that?

01:04:51.000 Well, you know, the great Western classics that you would study, you know, the philosophers, you know, Aristotle, Plato, you know, Plato's Republic, you know, Descartes, some of those works.

01:05:01.000 And then other great works of literature, some of Shakespeare and others that are regarded as really core Western literature.

01:05:08.000 And of course, we can't do it all, but, you know, so many of the kids coming out today have no training in biblical worldview.

01:05:14.000 They have no understanding of classical, Western, classical literature at all.

01:05:19.000 They don't get that.

01:05:19.000 They get.

01:05:20.000 Social studies.

01:05:21.000 I just as an anecdote, so I have a friend who is still in Hanover where I went to school at Derby.

01:05:26.000 This is an Ivy League school, and he says kids they come in, they're really fried.

01:05:31.000 AI, he says, has made things really bad.

01:05:33.000 So, for example, you at least used to have to think up questions to ask, even if you hadn't read the book.

01:05:39.000 Now they ask AI to generate the questions for them because they can't even handle that level of thought.

01:05:44.000 Just tell me what to ask about this in class.

01:05:47.000 If you want to be humbled, and I'd actually be curious how you do, Blake.

01:05:51.000 Because you're probably one of the few I know that would do fairly well.

01:05:53.000 But if you want to be humbled, go check out Oxford, their freshman initiation essays, questions from 1900.

01:06:03.000 And the level of understanding of our classical literature, the classical canon of Western civilization, was just tremendous.

01:06:10.000 I mean, it blew me away.

01:06:12.000 It would blow me away every time.

01:06:15.000 But we've really lost something.

01:06:17.000 All right.

01:06:18.000 So you got this big printout here, Dr. Hertzberg, here, Dr. Hutz Hertzberg.

01:06:24.000 Cheap U.S., Turning Point Education, about the Education Freedom Tax Credit.

01:06:29.000 Why did you print this out?

01:06:31.000 What do you want to tell people about it?

01:06:32.000 Well, let me just say, first of all, there is so much happening in the world of education.

01:06:36.000 I mean, we could talk, if we had time, about the Education Department being closed.

01:06:39.000 I mean, that's big news.

01:06:41.000 That's a major, major department of education that is going away.

01:06:45.000 We could talk about the terrible test scores that we see almost every week with the researchers coming out.

01:06:51.000 But maybe the most exciting thing is something that was a part of President Trump's big, beautiful bill.

01:06:57.000 That's called the Education Freedom Tax Credit.

01:07:00.000 You alluded to what's happening in Arizona.

01:07:03.000 Arizona has been a model to other states across the country in terms of education tax freedom, education credit freedom, vouchers, ESAs.

01:07:13.000 It's amazing.

01:07:14.000 It is amazing.

01:07:15.000 Just moved here, and I'm telling you, you get $7,800, $7,500 per pupil.

01:07:22.000 So your student, and so what a lot of the schools do is they'll say, well, it's one to one.

01:07:28.000 You send your.

01:07:29.000 Student to this school, it's $7,500 a year or $8,500.

01:07:32.000 So they supplement massively the cost.

01:07:35.000 And you get all these classical schools popping up, these Christian schools popping up.

01:07:38.000 And these are business people that decide to start a school and then they bring in all these educators.

01:07:43.000 And it's, I'm telling you, it's a really amazing culture that's being cultivated here.

01:07:48.000 You know, and so many states across the country, you know, look at that and just drool.

01:07:52.000 I mean, people in the states, not necessarily the state governors, our state where we're located, which is in Illinois, I mean, we don't even have a crumb.

01:08:00.000 That is anything close to this at all in our state.

01:08:03.000 But I say all that just to say that, in some ways, because of the Education Freedom Tax Credit, it's going to be somewhat moot, but not completely, because this is a great start.

01:08:13.000 It's not the whole enchilada, but we're so thankful that in the big, beautiful bill, President Trump included a provision.

01:08:20.000 It's called the Education Freedom Tax Credit, and it's a dollar to dollar tax credit.

01:08:25.000 So you can give up to $1,700, designate that to a designated scholarship granting organization.

01:08:33.000 They're called SGOs.

01:08:34.000 And we've already identified one with Turning Point that we're going to be working with with our schools and parents.

01:08:40.000 And these parents can make a gift through the SGO to directly benefit their child, their school, And it's not just for tuition.

01:08:47.000 It can be for technology.

01:08:49.000 It can be for books.

01:08:50.000 It can be for supplies.

01:08:51.000 So if I have a student and I want to send my child to a private school, I can go onto Turning Point Education website, turningpointed.com.

01:09:02.000 And maybe not now, but you'll have an SGO there that you can work with.

01:09:07.000 They'll send the money to your kid's school.

01:09:09.000 So that could help with tuition.

01:09:13.000 100%.

01:09:14.000 And actually, just to give the name of the SGO, it's Ace Scholarships out of Denver, Colorado.

01:09:19.000 We're very excited to be working.

01:09:21.000 With them, they share amazing.

01:09:22.000 Yeah, we share their values.

01:09:24.000 Yeah, and they totally get what we're doing, we get what they're doing.

01:09:28.000 But, but here's the tragic part again, half the states you know have not opted in.

01:09:32.000 I think there's actually 31 that have opted into this, and then there's a few that are waffling.

01:09:38.000 But, states like Illinois, and you alluded to this earlier, Andrew, the teacher unions hold such sway over these states.

01:09:44.000 I loathe the teachers' unions.

01:09:46.000 And so, the best sign, by the way, that that education tax credit is amazing is it just drives the teachers' unions berserk.

01:09:53.000 They constantly are trying to get rid of this.

01:09:55.000 I know, I know there's Trying to get something on the ballot right now to.

01:09:58.000 In Arizona?

01:09:58.000 In Arizona.

01:09:59.000 They have two different bills.

01:10:00.000 Two different bills.

01:10:01.000 And they're both terrible.

01:10:02.000 One's less terrible, but they're both terrible.

01:10:04.000 Yeah.

01:10:05.000 So again, this is now at the national level.

01:10:08.000 Like Arizona had been the bellwether, the lead on this, but in other states now have had their own version.

01:10:13.000 About 25, 26 states have some kind of form of tax credit vouchers.

01:10:18.000 Now, 31 states, as of just a couple days ago, have opted into President Trump's Education Tax Freedom Credit.

01:10:25.000 The state has to opt in.

01:10:26.000 Yeah.

01:10:27.000 And so, but here's the part that people don't understand.

01:10:30.000 Even though we live in Illinois and our governor has not opted in and he says he's still considering it, the only reason he'll opt in is because he just will get too much pressure.

01:10:40.000 But we can still take advantage of the tax credit, but that money is going to leave the state of Illinois.

01:10:46.000 So you've got hundreds, thousands of families that want to take advantage of this dollar to dollar tax credit.

01:10:52.000 They go through the SGO, but their own school in our state can't benefit from it.

01:10:59.000 In other words, their child's school, our child's school, Will not be able to benefit, but I can benefit a school in Arizona and you know, whatever other state is participating in the program.

01:11:09.000 So, if you have like grandparents watching this right now, they could take advantage of this absolutely, one of their grandkids in another state.

01:11:16.000 That's that's exactly, exactly.

01:11:18.000 Do we have a list of the states that have opted in our website?

01:11:20.000 Can we get something like that?

01:11:21.000 I'm sure we can get it.

01:11:22.000 It's it's known, it's 30 states which states have.

01:11:24.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:11:26.000 Do you have a Republican governor or not?

01:11:28.000 Yeah, that's exactly right.

01:11:29.000 Now, there is a couple Democratic ones.

01:11:30.000 One that was a little bit surprising is the governor of Colorado has opted in.

01:11:35.000 Paulus.

01:11:36.000 Yeah.

01:11:36.000 And there's reasons why he's doing that.

01:11:38.000 But we hope eventually that the pressure will be so great that all the states will opt in.

01:11:45.000 Because again, the governor, the schools are losing money.

01:11:49.000 Yeah.

01:11:49.000 Well, it's insane.

01:11:50.000 I mean, can you imagine turning down money just because you're so beholden to the teachers' unions?

01:11:54.000 I'm telling you, the teachers' unions, we got to break the back of the teachers' unions.

01:11:58.000 They're ruining so much.

01:11:59.000 It's like teachers' unions, feminism, mass migration.

01:12:03.000 It's like there's like a top five things that are ruining the country, and it's one of them.

01:12:07.000 Dr. Hutz, thank you so much for coming on.

01:12:10.000 Thank you.

01:12:10.000 Great work that you're doing at Turning Point Education.

01:12:13.000 Let's keep going.

01:12:14.000 Thank you so much, sir.

01:12:15.000 Appreciate it.

01:12:16.000 Thank you.

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