00:01:02.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:32.000I was moved by your podcast on Monday about how we must stare the evil in the face.
00:01:37.000Please repeat that for our audience and also share how the last couple of days have been for you personally as a Jew, as someone who loves Israel, as I do too.
00:02:44.000We first found out about what was going on over there on Saturday morning when my security team came and told me what was going on in sort of general terms.
00:02:51.000And it was bleeding out over the course of the two-day holiday.
00:02:53.000Because I'm Orthodox, it means that we don't check the news.
00:03:00.000And then obviously we come back online on Sunday night to the news that 700 Jews have been murdered at that point.
00:03:04.000And it now appears there were 1,200 Jews were murdered in this horrific terrorist assault.
00:03:10.000When evil shows its head, you have an obligation to look right at it.
00:03:13.000And the fact that Jew hatred has not gone away, that it's metastasized, that it's found new forms, that there's a thin veneer of anti-Zionism covering a cesspool of anti-Semitism.
00:03:24.000All of that is perfectly obvious to the naked eye at this point.
00:03:27.000If you can't find moral clarity in a time when one group is attempting to murder children in their beds, rape women and drag them away to Gaza, take Holocaust survivors and drag them away as captives or shoot them in the head.
00:03:41.000If you can't find moral clarity in that moment, when that same group is hiding behind its own children in order to maximize civilian casualties, to attempt to stop Israel from protecting its own citizens, or when Israel's northern border is threatened by emissaries of Iran, this is not an ask for American military involvement.
00:03:58.000This didn't ask for basic human decency.
00:04:00.000Yeah, and I've been perplexed by some people that say, well, there's more to the story.
00:04:04.000I say, what the hell are you talking about?
00:04:15.000This was the deadliest day of Jews since the Holocaust.
00:04:17.000And I have to hear from some people, well, Israel brought it upon itself.
00:04:21.000And this is what some people are saying is that BLM in Chicago, the NYU president of the law, something, NYU law, Harvard University, you have people in leadership positions that are saying Israel brought this upon themselves.
00:04:35.000And Ben, I think it would be helpful to respond to that, but also talk about where does this sick hatred of Jews idea come from that Israel is to blame for their own people being killed in their homes?
00:04:51.000I mean, this no other word from demonic to believe such a thing, and yet the American intelligentsia embraced that.
00:05:00.000Yeah, I mean, the fact is that this particular attack blows up every narrative that has ever been presented in terms of the idea that Israel is responsible for the violence against Israel.
00:05:10.000This particular attack was perpetrated from the Gaza Strip.
00:05:12.000Israel abandoned the Gaza Strip in 2005 completely, pulled thousands of Jews out of their homes in the northern point of the Gaza Strip over protest.
00:05:21.000They turned it all over to the Palestinians.
00:05:22.000The Palestinians probably burned all of them and burned the greenhouses that they left over there and then elected Hamas, a terrorist group, to be their government.
00:05:28.000That terrorist group has been in continuous control of the Gaza Strip since 2006.
00:05:33.000They've spent that intervening almost two decades, building up military resources, firing tens of thousands of rockets over the years into Israel.
00:05:40.000The only reason this has not happened earlier, frankly, is because Israel's Iron Dome prevented mass civilian casualties inside of Israel.
00:05:46.000The towns that were infiltrated and the innocents who were murdered, those weren't even in the settlement.
00:05:51.000So all the talk about the settlements and Israeli occupation, all the rest of this, this isn't a non-Israeli occupied area.
00:05:58.000And the areas that were infiltrated in which murder took place have been part of Israel since its inception, since its founding.
00:06:04.000So none of those narratives hold up under the slightest bit of scrutiny.
00:06:07.000But again, none of the narratives have held up the entire time for the last 40 years.
00:06:10.000It's just we've been telling ourselves a pack of lies about how you can negotiate your way into a peace with people who seek the destruction of the Jewish people.
00:06:17.000I mean, it's literally in the Hamas Charter.
00:06:18.000It's not as though they're hiding the ball here.
00:06:20.000The Hamas Charter from 1987, 1988 explicitly calls for the murder of Jews, not just in Israel, not just the extermination of Jews in Israel, the Jews all over the world.
00:06:27.000And you can see that, by the way, reflected in many of the protests in favor of Hamas.
00:06:31.000There's protesters in Sydney, and they're literally chanting gas the Jews.
00:06:34.000I noticed they weren't saying evacuate the settlements.
00:06:37.000The notion that somebody building a bedroom in Afrat is responsible for terrorists crossing a border and murdering babies in their cribs is utterly morally bereft.
00:06:48.000I mean, where does Jew hatred come from?
00:06:50.000I mean, very often it comes from a, it's effectively a giant conspiracy theory about how the Jews are in control of so much of the world's power, which is a shock as a Jew.
00:07:00.000There are only 15 million of us on planet Earth, and Israel has been signally unsuccessful in its supposed colonization attempts, considering that there are more than 50 Islamic countries in the immediate area and Israel's a tiny sliver of land on the Mediterranean.
00:07:14.000The notion, again, is that Israel is responsible for all the world's ills, which is really just a cover for Jews are responsible for all the world's ills.
00:07:20.000And we're seeing that the ugly effects of that today.
00:07:53.000Not every one of these messages are people that necessarily are anti-Semitic, but they see our own country collapsing, and they don't necessarily have any sort of interest for things that happen abroad.
00:08:02.000Not to mention Americans were killed, Americans being held hostage.
00:08:05.000How would you, Ben, respond to that sentiment?
00:08:07.000I mean, you did point out 22 Americans were killed.
00:08:09.000There are apparently multiple Americans being held hostage over there.
00:08:12.000But beyond that, obviously, I don't think those two things are in conflict.
00:08:15.000I'm very much in favor of America following her own foreign policy interests.
00:08:18.000But I think that there's a category error that's been made by some members of the right.
00:08:23.000The ridiculous belief that America has a moral duty to intervene in every conflict on the basis of morality, obviously that's silly.
00:08:28.000But the converse belief that America never has a duty to provide even moral support when an ally is being attacked is similarly absurd.
00:08:37.000No one in Israel, by the way, is asking for America to get into a direct conflict with Iran.
00:08:41.000I know there's that straw man that's been set up by some people.
00:08:45.000Nobody in Israel, by the way, is by far the most pro-Israel, pro-pro-America American ally there is.
00:08:51.000I mean, by polling data, Israelis love America.
00:08:53.000Not only do they love America, they provide extraordinary levels of intelligence, support, military technology to the United States.
00:09:00.000They're a powerful economy in the region.
00:09:02.000They're a powerful intelligence asset in the region.
00:09:04.000That's just on a pure realist level, putting aside all of the sort of moral coincidence that exists between the state of Israel and the United States.
00:09:12.000Again, there can be arguments to be made and had over what America's foreign policy commitments ought to be, how much money ought to be spent on foreign aid, and all of the rest.
00:09:20.000But the notion that there shouldn't be any sort of baseline care when Islamic murderers run through a border and start murdering Western civilized babies, I find that hard to imagine.
00:09:29.000And I also think that many of the people who are making that sort of argument would not be making that sort of argument if you were talking about Islamists running through a border in France and simply murdering babies in a preschool.
00:09:39.000It looks as if Israel is going to invade the Gaza Strip, which I'm glad you mentioned that Israel gave the Gaza Strip back to the Palestinian Authority.
00:10:11.000And I want to talk about strategically and then how should America respond and support geopolitically, militarily?
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00:11:46.000Well, no, I mean, they need to reestablish military deterrence.
00:11:49.000Biggest problem with this entire terrorist attack is that it it punctured the Israeli sense and the Middle East sense of Israeli impregnability and the sort of fortress that was Israel has been breached, and and so Israel needs to reestablish complete military dominance, in the Gaza Strip particularly.
00:12:17.000They're telling them They're calling buildings before they hit them and telling them to get out of.
00:12:20.000Hamas, of course, hides behind civilians.
00:12:22.000They put their military headquarters for years underneath a hospital because they want to maximize civilian casualties for the cameras.
00:12:28.000And so what I would suggest to the West is, first of all, recognize who it is that Israel's fighting and that when civilians die in Gaza, that is because Hamas wants them to die in Gaza.
00:12:36.000Right now, there's apparently a deal that's being worked out between Israel, the U.S., and Egypt to open the so-called Rafah crossing, which is at the southern tip of the Gaza Strip.
00:12:44.000The Gaza Strip border is not just Israel, but Egypt.
00:12:46.000Egypt has been very reticent to allow refugees to go in there, civilians to get in there, because they're very much afraid the terrorists are going to enter with them.
00:12:54.000Israel, in military terms, is going to have a couple of choices.
00:12:57.000The biggest choice is going to be whether they set up some sort of broad demilitarization zone, DMZ, along the border.
00:13:03.000Right now, the fence basically goes right up to the Israeli border, and they were assuming that fence was impregnable.
00:13:08.000So they might have to set up a DMZ on the border and then probably try to bring in some form of international governance.
00:13:14.000They're going to try to minimize civilian casualties.
00:13:16.000They're going to kill everyone they can find at Hamas.
00:13:18.000And then they're going to have to set up an alternative government.
00:13:20.000I would assume preferably with some international input.
00:13:23.000The great lie here is that what Israel desperately wants is to rule over the Gaza Strip.
00:13:27.000Israel tried so hard not to rule over the Gaza Strip that they allowed their own citizens to be put directly under the umbrella of rocket fire for nearly two decades.
00:13:34.000So Israel does not want control of the Gaza Strip.
00:14:37.000So Israel is going to need restock on supplies, particularly of Hezbollah, which has been threatening in the northern border region of Israel.
00:14:43.000If they get involved, Israel is going to need resupply.
00:14:46.000And the Biden administration actually is doing the right thing in providing that.
00:14:49.000Obviously, the Biden administration and encouraging Iran over the past couple of years has some complicity in the rise of Iranian muscle flexing here, which is really what this is.
00:14:58.000We have to understand that geopolitically what's happened is that Iran was flexing its muscle in the Gaza Strip in order to provoke a war so as to preserve the possibility that Saudi would not enter a peace deal with Israel.
00:15:07.000They didn't want a Sunni-Israeli deal that would essentially marginalize the power of Shia Iran.
00:15:13.000That's what a large part of this is about.
00:15:14.000As far as what America can do, moving the aircraft carriers into the Mediterranean is a smart move.
00:15:18.000Telling Hezbollah that if they step off that border, that there will be consequences is actually a smart move because deterrence works.
00:15:26.000If Hezbollah gets in, Israel is going to be forced to go in with the Air Force.
00:15:29.000If they go in with the Air Force, they're going to be stretched very thin.
00:15:31.000They're going to need to do everything they can to simply end the threat from Hezbollah.
00:15:35.000If Hezbollah is actually in danger of falling, if Lebanon is in danger of falling away from Iranian influence, there's a possibility that Iran gets in.
00:15:42.000So if you want to prevent a regional slash world war, the best thing that America can do right now is say to the terrorist group that is Hezbollah, you better stay off that line.
00:15:49.000And to Biden's credit, he's at least done that.
00:15:51.000Now, again, do I think that Biden is at least partially responsible for the encouragement of Iran toward these sorts of moves?
00:15:58.000I think his weakness on Iran has been absolutely devastating for the region.
00:16:01.000Listen, I wish President Trump was still president, but the fact of the matter is that in terms of preventing American commitment of, for example, troops or more materiel, making sure that this thing is contained is top American priority.
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00:17:46.000So your TPSA contributor, Turning Point USA contributor, both of us went viral the other day because we tweeted about how Hamas murdered babies and potentially dismembered them.
00:18:00.000And we came under attack for apparently pushing war propaganda.
00:18:05.000Well, it turns out that we were right, weren't we, Haya?
00:18:12.000Yeah, I found it really alarming at the lengths that some people were going to try to save the reputation of known terrorists and trying to discredit that story.
00:18:24.000So from what I saw, there was only one news outlet that said that it wasn't true that they had beheaded babies.
00:18:33.000But there were dozens of outlets that said it was true.
00:18:36.000I saw a video of an IDF soldier saying that he saw the babies that were beheaded.
00:18:42.000There were reporters who said that they were there and they saw it.
00:19:42.000One of the great casualties of one of the great downsides of these left-wingers that call everything a Nazi is that when I say Nazism, people kind of roll their eyes.
00:19:54.000Haya, walk us through how savage this actually was.
00:19:57.000Well, Charlie, I cannot agree with you more.
00:19:59.000And I also absolutely despise when people compare everything to the Nazis.
00:20:05.000But a lot of people on Twitter were pointing out that in some ways, this is worse than what the Nazis is because the Nazis tried to hide what they were doing.
00:20:14.000These terrorists are openly boasting about it.
00:20:19.000I mean, there were reports, they were opening their victims' phones and going onto social media to live stream them murdering their victim for all the Nazi.
00:20:32.000And there was like someone who found out that her grandmother had died from logging onto Facebook and seeing a live stream of her grandmother being murdered.
00:21:09.000I have a pretty good radar with this stuff.
00:21:12.000Anyway, that's a separate topic for a different time.
00:21:14.000So these animals go into these homes, and this has not been covered.
00:21:18.000They are taunting families, taunting them.
00:21:21.000And they take the phone of the victim, log onto the social media so all of their Jewish family members will see live streaming on Facebook them torturing Jews.
00:22:47.000Not falling into emotion, not getting overreaction.
00:22:51.000And I'll be honest, my gut instinct, and I said this publicly, when I saw the original reports, I said, okay, this is a typical, I know that sounds bad, but it's typical rockets on both sides.
00:23:06.000And I'm always worried about fake news.
00:23:07.000But when I started to see reports, I said, you know what my reaction was, Haya?
00:23:10.000When I started the CCNN say that, you know, children, I said, I'm going to have to see that before I believe it.
00:23:16.000That's my first reaction because I'm used to them with COVID and, you know, all Ukraine, non-stop propaganda.
00:24:43.000Talk about Haya, what you're seeing online, how traditional left-wing activists, the protests, BLM, Harvard, George Washington University, they are celebrating NYU law.
00:24:55.000Thank you for sending that in the chat.
00:24:56.000This is a message from the president, the SBA president of NYU law, saying that, quote, I will not condemn Palestinian resistance.
00:25:06.000Israel bears full responsibility for the tremendous loss of life.
00:25:10.000Now, I have to just editorialize for a second here.
00:25:13.000A lot of Jews give these colleges money, and you guys better stop.
00:25:17.000Okay, a lot of secular Jews fund NYU and fund Harvard.
00:25:22.000You guys are funding the suicide of the Jewish people.
00:25:26.000I mean, I say don't give it at all, but my goodness, how many secular left-wing Jews have given tens of millions of dollars to Harvard and NYU to just have them stick it up your tail and say, I want you dead.
00:25:40.000Haya, tell us what you're seeing online.
00:25:45.000I think maybe possibly the worst was the BLM Chicago who said that they stand with Palestine and they put a picture of a paraglider.
00:25:54.000And as we all know, that's how the terrorists entered Israel and started murdering people at a festival.
00:26:01.000And it was basically just completely mocking the victims.
00:26:06.000And then the reaction was actually really funny because all of a sudden, all these Democrats who have supported BLM are like, oh, wait, like what's happening?
00:26:17.000And we're all just like, we've been trying to tell you guys for years that BLM is a terrorist organization.
00:26:24.000And I think you pointed out that Hamas and BLM actually have very similar type of narratives, that, you know, that victim narrative, the resistance narrative.
00:26:38.000So that that was actually very interesting to see.
00:26:43.000And I'm glad that BLM finally said it in a very clear way so that all their supporters now understand.
00:27:11.000I can't tell you how many successful Jews in America have funded these universities.
00:27:20.000I would actually venture a guess that probably if you go through the list of Harvard's biggest donors, actually, Blake, that would be interesting.
00:27:26.000Find, you know, just the public list of Harvard's biggest donors.
00:27:29.000I'd say 30, 40, 50% are probably Jewish.
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00:30:19.000The president of Harvard, the Board of Overseers, ought to treat these clubs as if they were the Ku Klux Klan club advocating the lynching of Jews.
00:30:28.000That's what Black Lives Matter in Chicago was doing.
00:30:31.000These are comparable to what happened in the 1920s and the 1930s in the South.
00:30:36.000And we shouldn't mince words about that.
00:30:38.000I want the name of every student who has ever signed a petition supporting these rapists and murderers.
00:32:29.000Bill Ackman, billionaire hedge fund manager, and several of the business leaders are demanding Harvard University release the names of students whose organization signed on to a letter blaming solely Israel for the deadly attacks by Hamas.