The Charlie Kirk Show - Staring Evil in the Face with Ben Shapiro and Chaya Raichik

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00:00:01.000 Ben Shapiro joins the program.

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00:00:41.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:26.000 Joining us now, man who needs no introduction, Ben Shapiro, host of the Ben Shapiro Show.

00:01:30.000 Ben, thank you for taking the time.

00:01:32.000 I was moved by your podcast on Monday about how we must stare the evil in the face.

00:01:37.000 Please repeat that for our audience and also share how the last couple of days have been for you personally as a Jew, as someone who loves Israel, as I do too.

00:01:45.000 Please, Ben Shapiro.

00:01:46.000 Well, evil is showing its face.

00:01:48.000 And when evil shows its face, we have an obligation to look into it.

00:01:51.000 The great lie that we believe here in the West is that everybody thinks like us, everybody holds the same values we do.

00:01:56.000 Everybody holds their children dear the same way we do.

00:01:59.000 That is certainly not true of Hamas, an evil group.

00:02:02.000 They were not attempting to make a territorial incursion.

00:02:05.000 They were not attempting to make a political point. 1.00

00:02:07.000 They were attempting to murder as many Jews as possible in their beds to burn them alive. 0.99

00:02:10.000 It's the worst event for the Jewish people since the Holocaust. 0.96

00:02:14.000 And the response by many people, particularly on the left and in the Islamist world, has been absolutely horrifying.

00:02:22.000 That is obvious to anybody who's been watching.

00:02:25.000 As far as what the past few days have been like for me as a Jew, I flew back from Israel Friday morning.

00:02:30.000 That was about 12 to 15 hours before these attacks began.

00:02:35.000 We were lucky to get out at that time, obviously, with my family, with my kids.

00:02:39.000 We have tons of friends who are still over there.

00:02:40.000 I have many friends who have been called up in Milouim.

00:02:42.000 That's the reserves over there.

00:02:44.000 We first found out about what was going on over there on Saturday morning when my security team came and told me what was going on in sort of general terms.

00:02:51.000 And it was bleeding out over the course of the two-day holiday.

00:02:53.000 Because I'm Orthodox, it means that we don't check the news.

00:02:56.000 We don't watch TV.

00:02:57.000 We don't use our phones during that two-day holiday.

00:02:59.000 So we were hearing rumors.

00:03:00.000 And then obviously we come back online on Sunday night to the news that 700 Jews have been murdered at that point.

00:03:04.000 And it now appears there were 1,200 Jews were murdered in this horrific terrorist assault.

00:03:10.000 When evil shows its head, you have an obligation to look right at it.

00:03:13.000 And the fact that Jew hatred has not gone away, that it's metastasized, that it's found new forms, that there's a thin veneer of anti-Zionism covering a cesspool of anti-Semitism.

00:03:24.000 All of that is perfectly obvious to the naked eye at this point. 0.99

00:03:27.000 If you can't find moral clarity in a time when one group is attempting to murder children in their beds, rape women and drag them away to Gaza, take Holocaust survivors and drag them away as captives or shoot them in the head.

00:03:41.000 If you can't find moral clarity in that moment, when that same group is hiding behind its own children in order to maximize civilian casualties, to attempt to stop Israel from protecting its own citizens, or when Israel's northern border is threatened by emissaries of Iran, this is not an ask for American military involvement.

00:03:58.000 This didn't ask for basic human decency.

00:04:00.000 Yeah, and I've been perplexed by some people that say, well, there's more to the story.

00:04:04.000 I say, what the hell are you talking about?

00:04:05.000 More to the story.

00:04:07.000 This was not an attack on a military base.

00:04:09.000 This wasn't rockets coming into Israel, which is bad enough as it is.

00:04:13.000 This was a targeted massacre.

00:04:15.000 This was the deadliest day of Jews since the Holocaust.

00:04:17.000 And I have to hear from some people, well, Israel brought it upon itself. 0.92

00:04:21.000 And this is what some people are saying is that BLM in Chicago, the NYU president of the law, something, NYU law, Harvard University, you have people in leadership positions that are saying Israel brought this upon themselves.

00:04:35.000 And Ben, I think it would be helpful to respond to that, but also talk about where does this sick hatred of Jews idea come from that Israel is to blame for their own people being killed in their homes?

00:04:51.000 I mean, this no other word from demonic to believe such a thing, and yet the American intelligentsia embraced that.

00:04:59.000 That's exactly right.

00:05:00.000 Yeah, I mean, the fact is that this particular attack blows up every narrative that has ever been presented in terms of the idea that Israel is responsible for the violence against Israel.

00:05:10.000 This particular attack was perpetrated from the Gaza Strip.

00:05:12.000 Israel abandoned the Gaza Strip in 2005 completely, pulled thousands of Jews out of their homes in the northern point of the Gaza Strip over protest.

00:05:20.000 They left their homes.

00:05:21.000 They turned it all over to the Palestinians. 1.00

00:05:22.000 The Palestinians probably burned all of them and burned the greenhouses that they left over there and then elected Hamas, a terrorist group, to be their government. 0.88

00:05:28.000 That terrorist group has been in continuous control of the Gaza Strip since 2006.

00:05:32.000 That's almost 20 years.

00:05:33.000 They've spent that intervening almost two decades, building up military resources, firing tens of thousands of rockets over the years into Israel.

00:05:40.000 The only reason this has not happened earlier, frankly, is because Israel's Iron Dome prevented mass civilian casualties inside of Israel.

00:05:46.000 The towns that were infiltrated and the innocents who were murdered, those weren't even in the settlement.

00:05:51.000 So all the talk about the settlements and Israeli occupation, all the rest of this, this isn't a non-Israeli occupied area.

00:05:57.000 Israel got out in 2005.

00:05:58.000 And the areas that were infiltrated in which murder took place have been part of Israel since its inception, since its founding. 0.85

00:06:04.000 So none of those narratives hold up under the slightest bit of scrutiny.

00:06:07.000 But again, none of the narratives have held up the entire time for the last 40 years.

00:06:10.000 It's just we've been telling ourselves a pack of lies about how you can negotiate your way into a peace with people who seek the destruction of the Jewish people. 0.97

00:06:17.000 I mean, it's literally in the Hamas Charter.

00:06:18.000 It's not as though they're hiding the ball here.

00:06:20.000 The Hamas Charter from 1987, 1988 explicitly calls for the murder of Jews, not just in Israel, not just the extermination of Jews in Israel, the Jews all over the world.

00:06:27.000 And you can see that, by the way, reflected in many of the protests in favor of Hamas.

00:06:31.000 There's protesters in Sydney, and they're literally chanting gas the Jews.

00:06:34.000 I noticed they weren't saying evacuate the settlements.

00:06:36.000 They're saying gas the Jews.

00:06:37.000 The notion that somebody building a bedroom in Afrat is responsible for terrorists crossing a border and murdering babies in their cribs is utterly morally bereft.

00:06:47.000 It's benighted. 0.98

00:06:48.000 It's disgusting. 0.99

00:06:48.000 I mean, where does Jew hatred come from? 0.99

00:06:50.000 I mean, very often it comes from a, it's effectively a giant conspiracy theory about how the Jews are in control of so much of the world's power, which is a shock as a Jew.

00:07:00.000 There are only 15 million of us on planet Earth, and Israel has been signally unsuccessful in its supposed colonization attempts, considering that there are more than 50 Islamic countries in the immediate area and Israel's a tiny sliver of land on the Mediterranean.

00:07:14.000 The notion, again, is that Israel is responsible for all the world's ills, which is really just a cover for Jews are responsible for all the world's ills. 0.72

00:07:20.000 And we're seeing that the ugly effects of that today.

00:07:22.000 So I want to make this clear.

00:07:24.000 You know, they talk about, oh, maybe a two-state solution, three-state solution.

00:07:28.000 What Hamas was trying to do was a resurrection of a final solution, okay? 0.84

00:07:33.000 This is not about, this is trying to kill Jews and to try to do a genocide. 0.57

00:07:36.000 Ben, I want you to respond. 0.94

00:07:38.000 Some of our audience is not convinced.

00:07:40.000 I've been receiving emails the last couple of days.

00:07:42.000 Charlie, why do we care about Israel? 0.56

00:07:43.000 We should put America first.

00:07:44.000 You know, Israel is not our friend. 1.00

00:07:47.000 How should we as conservatives respond to that, Ben?

00:07:50.000 Because I'm sure you get some of that.

00:07:51.000 Not all of it is mean-spirited.

00:07:53.000 Not every one of these messages are people that necessarily are anti-Semitic, but they see our own country collapsing, and they don't necessarily have any sort of interest for things that happen abroad.

00:08:02.000 Not to mention Americans were killed, Americans being held hostage.

00:08:05.000 How would you, Ben, respond to that sentiment?

00:08:07.000 I mean, you did point out 22 Americans were killed.

00:08:09.000 There are apparently multiple Americans being held hostage over there.

00:08:12.000 But beyond that, obviously, I don't think those two things are in conflict.

00:08:15.000 I'm very much in favor of America following her own foreign policy interests.

00:08:18.000 But I think that there's a category error that's been made by some members of the right. 0.92

00:08:23.000 The ridiculous belief that America has a moral duty to intervene in every conflict on the basis of morality, obviously that's silly.

00:08:28.000 But the converse belief that America never has a duty to provide even moral support when an ally is being attacked is similarly absurd.

00:08:37.000 No one in Israel, by the way, is asking for America to get into a direct conflict with Iran.

00:08:41.000 I know there's that straw man that's been set up by some people. 0.97

00:08:44.000 That's ridiculous.

00:08:45.000 Nobody in Israel, by the way, is by far the most pro-Israel, pro-pro-America American ally there is. 0.91

00:08:51.000 I mean, by polling data, Israelis love America.

00:08:53.000 Not only do they love America, they provide extraordinary levels of intelligence, support, military technology to the United States.

00:09:00.000 They're a powerful economy in the region.

00:09:02.000 They're a powerful intelligence asset in the region.

00:09:04.000 That's just on a pure realist level, putting aside all of the sort of moral coincidence that exists between the state of Israel and the United States.

00:09:12.000 Again, there can be arguments to be made and had over what America's foreign policy commitments ought to be, how much money ought to be spent on foreign aid, and all of the rest.

00:09:20.000 But the notion that there shouldn't be any sort of baseline care when Islamic murderers run through a border and start murdering Western civilized babies, I find that hard to imagine.

00:09:29.000 And I also think that many of the people who are making that sort of argument would not be making that sort of argument if you were talking about Islamists running through a border in France and simply murdering babies in a preschool.

00:09:39.000 It looks as if Israel is going to invade the Gaza Strip, which I'm glad you mentioned that Israel gave the Gaza Strip back to the Palestinian Authority.

00:09:47.000 It was a functioning territory.

00:09:50.000 I believe even there were vineyards and rolling hills and it was fertile.

00:09:54.000 You mentioned greenhouses. 0.90

00:09:56.000 And the Arab Muslims come in and they smash all the, they say, oh, it's an open-air prison. 1.00

00:09:59.000 Well, it wasn't when you got it, okay? 0.92

00:10:01.000 It was actually a rather functioning, stable place.

00:10:03.000 It was a producing place.

00:10:04.000 By this open-air prison thing drives me crazy.

00:10:06.000 If it's an open-air prison, why do you keep on increasing your population? 0.98

00:10:10.000 The whole thing is ridiculous.

00:10:11.000 And I want to talk about strategically and then how should America respond and support geopolitically, militarily? 0.51

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00:11:02.000 Israel has significantly blessed my life.

00:11:04.000 It has strengthened my faith.

00:11:06.000 And to see some people not quite understand that has been disappointing.

00:11:11.000 How should then Israel respond to Gaza?

00:11:14.000 It's 2.5 million people.

00:11:16.000 Some critics say, what, are you going to ethnically cleanse the place?

00:11:19.000 So, Ben, you've thought deeply about this.

00:11:20.000 You know the geopolitics of it.

00:11:22.000 How should Israel militarily handle this?

00:11:24.000 Because you and I both know what's going to happen, Ben.

00:11:26.000 Give it five more days, seven more days.

00:11:28.000 All of a sudden, the media, all of a sudden, the international groups are going to turn on Israel.

00:11:32.000 It's already happening.

00:11:33.000 You're going to already see it, right?

00:11:34.000 I mean, the bodies are still being counted and they're already turning against Israel.

00:11:38.000 So do you have a fear that Israel could potentially overreact and do more long-term damage themselves than good? 0.66

00:11:45.000 Your thoughts, Ben?

00:11:46.000 Well, no, I mean, they need to reestablish military deterrence.

00:11:49.000 Biggest problem with this entire terrorist attack is that it it punctured the Israeli sense and the Middle East sense of Israeli impregnability and the sort of fortress that was Israel has been breached, and and so Israel needs to reestablish complete military dominance, in the Gaza Strip particularly. 0.70

00:12:03.000 There are a few ways to do that.

00:12:04.000 Obviously, Israel is being extremely careful about what it's doing about civilians.

00:12:08.000 They're literally issuing warnings in Arabic to people in particular areas.

00:12:12.000 I mean, I've played the videos on my show of them issuing these warnings, telling them where to go.

00:12:16.000 They're telling them to get out.

00:12:17.000 They're telling them They're calling buildings before they hit them and telling them to get out of.

00:12:20.000 Hamas, of course, hides behind civilians.

00:12:22.000 They put their military headquarters for years underneath a hospital because they want to maximize civilian casualties for the cameras.

00:12:28.000 And so what I would suggest to the West is, first of all, recognize who it is that Israel's fighting and that when civilians die in Gaza, that is because Hamas wants them to die in Gaza. 0.55

00:12:36.000 Right now, there's apparently a deal that's being worked out between Israel, the U.S., and Egypt to open the so-called Rafah crossing, which is at the southern tip of the Gaza Strip.

00:12:44.000 The Gaza Strip border is not just Israel, but Egypt.

00:12:46.000 Egypt has been very reticent to allow refugees to go in there, civilians to get in there, because they're very much afraid the terrorists are going to enter with them.

00:12:54.000 Israel, in military terms, is going to have a couple of choices.

00:12:57.000 The biggest choice is going to be whether they set up some sort of broad demilitarization zone, DMZ, along the border.

00:13:03.000 Right now, the fence basically goes right up to the Israeli border, and they were assuming that fence was impregnable.

00:13:07.000 Obviously, that wasn't true.

00:13:08.000 So they might have to set up a DMZ on the border and then probably try to bring in some form of international governance. 0.63

00:13:14.000 They're going to try to minimize civilian casualties. 0.94

00:13:16.000 They're going to kill everyone they can find at Hamas. 0.90

00:13:18.000 And then they're going to have to set up an alternative government. 0.64

00:13:20.000 I would assume preferably with some international input.

00:13:23.000 The great lie here is that what Israel desperately wants is to rule over the Gaza Strip. 0.52

00:13:27.000 Israel tried so hard not to rule over the Gaza Strip that they allowed their own citizens to be put directly under the umbrella of rocket fire for nearly two decades.

00:13:34.000 So Israel does not want control of the Gaza Strip.

00:13:36.000 Egypt doesn't want the Gaza Strip.

00:13:36.000 The problem is no one will take it.

00:13:38.000 Just like Jordan doesn't want the so-called West Bank, Judah and Samaria.

00:13:41.000 And so the question is, who can be set up in that area in order to actually provide some level of decent governance?

00:13:48.000 And obviously the answer is not going to be Hamas or an Iranian proxy.

00:13:51.000 It might need to be some sort of international caretaking group.

00:13:53.000 It might need to be with input from the Saudis.

00:13:55.000 But Hamas cannot, at the end of the day, be in control of the Gaza Strip.

00:13:59.000 If Hamas is in control of anything other than its own gravesite, then Israel has failed. 0.86

00:14:05.000 So, Ben, how then should America respond?

00:14:08.000 You know, one thing that you and I might see a little differently, I'm pretty war-weary.

00:14:12.000 I don't support sending money to Ukraine, but I stand 100% with Israel.

00:14:15.000 So I'm not supportive of sending U.S. troops, but Israel has a total right to defend itself.

00:14:21.000 In the ideal, how should America respond to this?

00:14:24.000 Not just morally, morally, 100%, but militarily, money, troops.

00:14:29.000 And is there a fear that this could potentially become a broader regional conflict and get Iran involved?

00:14:36.000 So money and arms, obviously.

00:14:37.000 So Israel is going to need restock on supplies, particularly of Hezbollah, which has been threatening in the northern border region of Israel.

00:14:43.000 If they get involved, Israel is going to need resupply. 0.60

00:14:46.000 And the Biden administration actually is doing the right thing in providing that.

00:14:49.000 Obviously, the Biden administration and encouraging Iran over the past couple of years has some complicity in the rise of Iranian muscle flexing here, which is really what this is. 0.77

00:14:58.000 We have to understand that geopolitically what's happened is that Iran was flexing its muscle in the Gaza Strip in order to provoke a war so as to preserve the possibility that Saudi would not enter a peace deal with Israel.

00:15:07.000 They didn't want a Sunni-Israeli deal that would essentially marginalize the power of Shia Iran.

00:15:13.000 That's what a large part of this is about.

00:15:14.000 As far as what America can do, moving the aircraft carriers into the Mediterranean is a smart move. 0.87

00:15:18.000 Telling Hezbollah that if they step off that border, that there will be consequences is actually a smart move because deterrence works. 1.00

00:15:26.000 If Hezbollah gets in, Israel is going to be forced to go in with the Air Force. 0.91

00:15:29.000 If they go in with the Air Force, they're going to be stretched very thin.

00:15:31.000 They're going to need to do everything they can to simply end the threat from Hezbollah. 0.99

00:15:35.000 If Hezbollah is actually in danger of falling, if Lebanon is in danger of falling away from Iranian influence, there's a possibility that Iran gets in. 0.68

00:15:42.000 So if you want to prevent a regional slash world war, the best thing that America can do right now is say to the terrorist group that is Hezbollah, you better stay off that line. 0.88

00:15:49.000 And to Biden's credit, he's at least done that.

00:15:51.000 Now, again, do I think that Biden is at least partially responsible for the encouragement of Iran toward these sorts of moves?

00:15:57.000 Absolutely.

00:15:58.000 I think his weakness on Iran has been absolutely devastating for the region.

00:16:01.000 Listen, I wish President Trump was still president, but the fact of the matter is that in terms of preventing American commitment of, for example, troops or more materiel, making sure that this thing is contained is top American priority.

00:16:13.000 By the way, Israel's priority too.

00:16:15.000 Israel does not want a three-front war. 0.98

00:16:17.000 Man, if President Trump was president, none of this crap would be happening. 0.99

00:16:20.000 And Joe Biden finances the terrorists and he allows Iran to go wild. 0.97

00:16:24.000 Ben, thank you for your time.

00:16:25.000 We pray for Israel and pray for justice.

00:16:27.000 Thank you so much.

00:16:28.000 Appreciate it.

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00:17:35.000 Okay, joining us now is the creator from Libs of TikTok, Haya Rachik.

00:17:43.000 I'm sorry if I mispronounced that.

00:17:44.000 Haya, welcome to the program.

00:17:46.000 So your TPSA contributor, Turning Point USA contributor, both of us went viral the other day because we tweeted about how Hamas murdered babies and potentially dismembered them.

00:18:00.000 And we came under attack for apparently pushing war propaganda.

00:18:05.000 Well, it turns out that we were right, weren't we, Haya?

00:18:08.000 Your response.

00:18:09.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:18:10.000 It's great to be here with you again.

00:18:12.000 Yeah, I found it really alarming at the lengths that some people were going to try to save the reputation of known terrorists and trying to discredit that story.

00:18:24.000 So from what I saw, there was only one news outlet that said that it wasn't true that they had beheaded babies.

00:18:33.000 But there were dozens of outlets that said it was true.

00:18:36.000 I saw a video of an IDF soldier saying that he saw the babies that were beheaded.

00:18:42.000 There were reporters who said that they were there and they saw it.

00:18:45.000 They saw pictures of it.

00:18:47.000 So it was absolutely true. 0.88

00:18:50.000 And I think that diverting the discussion into how exactly the babies were killed is just, it's just really silly.

00:19:00.000 And I think it's a dangerous path to go down.

00:19:03.000 Yeah, it's kind of a weird hill to die on, right?

00:19:06.000 I mean, so what are the facts here?

00:19:08.000 Let's just take a step back.

00:19:09.000 You're an observant Jew.

00:19:11.000 You know, you cover things on the internet.

00:19:13.000 Without getting into too horrendous detail that might people, you know, have people, you know, have to swerve off the road.

00:19:19.000 Can you just offer the facts and the details of how savage this massacre was?

00:19:24.000 Because some people are glossing over it.

00:19:26.000 1,200 dead.

00:19:27.000 This was not an attack on a military installation.

00:19:30.000 Hi, this was like Nazi-level cruelty. 0.69

00:19:35.000 And I do not use that term lightly.

00:19:38.000 Hate when people throw around the term Nazi so cheaply.

00:19:42.000 And you know what?

00:19:42.000 One of the great casualties of one of the great downsides of these left-wingers that call everything a Nazi is that when I say Nazism, people kind of roll their eyes.

00:19:51.000 No, no, no.

00:19:52.000 This was Nazism. 0.91

00:19:53.000 Okay.

00:19:54.000 Haya, walk us through how savage this actually was.

00:19:57.000 Well, Charlie, I cannot agree with you more.

00:19:59.000 And I also absolutely despise when people compare everything to the Nazis.

00:20:05.000 But a lot of people on Twitter were pointing out that in some ways, this is worse than what the Nazis is because the Nazis tried to hide what they were doing.

00:20:14.000 These terrorists are openly boasting about it.

00:20:19.000 I mean, there were reports, they were opening their victims' phones and going onto social media to live stream them murdering their victim for all the Nazi. 0.72

00:20:31.000 That's right.

00:20:32.000 And there was like someone who found out that her grandmother had died from logging onto Facebook and seeing a live stream of her grandmother being murdered.

00:20:39.000 This is the athlete level.

00:20:41.000 This is right.

00:20:42.000 So I have to interrupt for a second.

00:20:44.000 So these animals for Hamas, they come in, they go to kibbutz's, take six hours for IDF. 0.93

00:20:49.000 And I've said for a while, this is very suspicious why the IDF took six hours to respond.

00:20:53.000 I need an answer.

00:20:54.000 Yeah, I think we definitely need to.

00:20:55.000 Yeah, we need an answer.

00:20:56.000 And before Israel invades Gaza, I hope they're not walking into a trap.

00:21:02.000 I hope they're not walking into a chemical agent or biological agent because something here is off.

00:21:07.000 I'm just being honest.

00:21:08.000 Something here smells.

00:21:09.000 I have a pretty good radar with this stuff.

00:21:12.000 Anyway, that's a separate topic for a different time.

00:21:14.000 So these animals go into these homes, and this has not been covered.

00:21:18.000 They are taunting families, taunting them.

00:21:21.000 And they take the phone of the victim, log onto the social media so all of their Jewish family members will see live streaming on Facebook them torturing Jews. 0.69

00:21:33.000 Okay?

00:21:34.000 That's what's happened.

00:21:35.000 Haya, please continue.

00:21:36.000 Yeah, well, that was one of the very disturbing reports.

00:21:39.000 There were images and a video this morning of a car that was completely burnt out and it looked as if they had burned people.

00:21:47.000 I don't know if they were alive when they were burnt or they were burnt to a crisp, like literally to a crisp.

00:21:52.000 And it's really, really horrendous to see it.

00:21:57.000 There were, there's obviously all of the children who were who are hostages now.

00:22:02.000 No one even knows if they're alive or not.

00:22:06.000 They're taking Holocaust survivors, taking the elderly into Gaza as hostages.

00:22:13.000 I mean, the visuals are so horrific.

00:22:18.000 And I'm like forcing myself to watch it because I'm like, we have to know and see what these animals are doing.

00:22:24.000 I think it's important that we see what they're doing because there are so many people who are trying to defend it.

00:22:33.000 Let's talk about that.

00:22:35.000 Look, I get always trying to see if they're, you know, if the media is exaggerating things.

00:22:43.000 Okay.

00:22:44.000 I really respect that.

00:22:46.000 I do.

00:22:47.000 Not falling into emotion, not getting overreaction.

00:22:51.000 And I'll be honest, my gut instinct, and I said this publicly, when I saw the original reports, I said, okay, this is a typical, I know that sounds bad, but it's typical rockets on both sides.

00:23:06.000 And I'm always worried about fake news.

00:23:07.000 But when I started to see reports, I said, you know what my reaction was, Haya?

00:23:10.000 When I started the CCNN say that, you know, children, I said, I'm going to have to see that before I believe it.

00:23:16.000 That's my first reaction because I'm used to them with COVID and, you know, all Ukraine, non-stop propaganda.

00:23:25.000 Okay.

00:23:26.000 We got played with the baby incubator story, for example, in Iraq, right?

00:23:29.000 We got played with that one.

00:23:31.000 And so, but when I, but this is different.

00:23:33.000 We have now verifiable.

00:23:34.000 This is video proof that they are live streaming their massacre, live streaming it.

00:23:39.000 And there's Americans involved.

00:23:42.000 And so, so, please, your reaction.

00:23:44.000 Yeah, 22 Americans, I think, as of this morning are confirmed dead.

00:23:49.000 I don't think they know how many American hostages there are.

00:23:52.000 But yeah, I think just seeing their reaction, like, like you said, they're live streaming their murders.

00:23:58.000 And there's videos, there's verifiable videos of the torture, of the murders, and there are still people out there somehow defending it.

00:24:07.000 And it is a very, very strange hill to die on to start defending a known terrorist organization.

00:24:14.000 And it's scary that I think people just hate Jews so much that they're literally out there defending a terrorist organization.

00:24:24.000 That is terrifying.

00:24:26.000 Yeah, so Haya, talk about this.

00:24:27.000 I mean, you spend a lot of time online. 0.88

00:24:29.000 You know, you've started Libs of TikTok, which just for everyone's clear, she doesn't work for TikTok.

00:24:33.000 We're getting some emails.

00:24:34.000 She monitors left-wing TikTok to expose what's happening in classrooms.

00:24:38.000 She's done a moral good for society beyond anything I can put into words.

00:24:42.000 She's terrific.

00:24:43.000 Talk about Haya, what you're seeing online, how traditional left-wing activists, the protests, BLM, Harvard, George Washington University, they are celebrating NYU law.

00:24:55.000 Thank you for sending that in the chat.

00:24:56.000 This is a message from the president, the SBA president of NYU law, saying that, quote, I will not condemn Palestinian resistance.

00:25:06.000 Israel bears full responsibility for the tremendous loss of life. 0.99

00:25:10.000 Now, I have to just editorialize for a second here.

00:25:13.000 A lot of Jews give these colleges money, and you guys better stop. 1.00

00:25:17.000 Okay, a lot of secular Jews fund NYU and fund Harvard. 0.99

00:25:22.000 You guys are funding the suicide of the Jewish people. 1.00

00:25:26.000 I mean, I say don't give it at all, but my goodness, how many secular left-wing Jews have given tens of millions of dollars to Harvard and NYU to just have them stick it up your tail and say, I want you dead. 0.99

00:25:40.000 Haya, tell us what you're seeing online. 0.95

00:25:42.000 Yeah, it's just so mind-boggling.

00:25:45.000 I think maybe possibly the worst was the BLM Chicago who said that they stand with Palestine and they put a picture of a paraglider.

00:25:54.000 And as we all know, that's how the terrorists entered Israel and started murdering people at a festival.

00:26:01.000 And it was basically just completely mocking the victims.

00:26:06.000 And then the reaction was actually really funny because all of a sudden, all these Democrats who have supported BLM are like, oh, wait, like what's happening?

00:26:17.000 And we're all just like, we've been trying to tell you guys for years that BLM is a terrorist organization.

00:26:23.000 They say it out loud.

00:26:24.000 And I think you pointed out that Hamas and BLM actually have very similar type of narratives, that, you know, that victim narrative, the resistance narrative.

00:26:38.000 So that that was actually very interesting to see.

00:26:43.000 And I'm glad that BLM finally said it in a very clear way so that all their supporters now understand.

00:26:49.000 Haya, you're doing wonderful work.

00:26:51.000 God bless you.

00:26:52.000 Please continue to fight for what is good.

00:26:54.000 And I'm telling you, what Haya has exposed, what she has exposed with the trans stuff is a moral good for society. 0.99

00:27:02.000 She works so hard.

00:27:03.000 The media tried to destroy her life.

00:27:05.000 And she is stronger than ever.

00:27:08.000 Haya, thank you so much.

00:27:09.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:27:11.000 I can't tell you how many successful Jews in America have funded these universities.

00:27:20.000 I would actually venture a guess that probably if you go through the list of Harvard's biggest donors, actually, Blake, that would be interesting.

00:27:26.000 Find, you know, just the public list of Harvard's biggest donors.

00:27:29.000 I'd say 30, 40, 50% are probably Jewish.

00:27:32.000 I'm just guessing.

00:27:33.000 I'm totally guessing.

00:27:35.000 Jews take higher education very seriously and they have pumped billions.

00:27:39.000 I don't care if you are left of Stalin as a Jew. 1.00

00:27:42.000 You should not be giving a dollar to these universities. 0.93

00:27:45.000 They're funding and fomenting, subsidizing Jew hatred. 0.96

00:27:50.000 The money is probably going to keep flowing.

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00:28:57.000 You know, despite what some people say, the Jew haters, Jews are incredibly generous.

00:29:02.000 In fact, Jews, and this is a fact, are more generous than Christians.

00:29:06.000 On average, Jews, especially towards Jewish causes. 0.54

00:29:10.000 And I have no tolerance for it. 0.99

00:29:12.000 No, they were saying, screw the Jew haters. 0.99

00:29:13.000 I have no place for it. 0.99

00:29:15.000 Zero tolerance.

00:29:17.000 And that's the great Rob here, who's the boss.

00:29:20.000 He's cheering me on, which is always good.

00:29:24.000 What was he saying?

00:29:25.000 Winning approval from the man upstairs.

00:29:28.000 So Jews are very generous, very this world-focused.

00:29:32.000 Christians are generous, but on average, Jews give more of their money philanthropically.

00:29:37.000 And that's against, again, all the stereotypes people say, oh, you know, they're not generous with money.

00:29:43.000 It's just not true.

00:29:44.000 Anyway, so one of the things that Jews are very generous towards is higher education.

00:29:49.000 Very, very generous towards colleges.

00:29:54.000 Where do you think all this Jew hatred is subsidized?

00:29:57.000 It's being subsidized by Jews. 0.98

00:30:02.000 Jews that might be good intention and well-intentioned have given billions of dollars to underwrite their own hatred. 0.95

00:30:13.000 Play cut 98, please.

00:30:16.000 Harvard has not done the right thing.

00:30:19.000 The president of Harvard, the Board of Overseers, ought to treat these clubs as if they were the Ku Klux Klan club advocating the lynching of Jews.

00:30:28.000 That's what Black Lives Matter in Chicago was doing.

00:30:31.000 These are comparable to what happened in the 1920s and the 1930s in the South.

00:30:36.000 And we shouldn't mince words about that.

00:30:38.000 I want the name of every student who has ever signed a petition supporting these rapists and murderers.

00:30:46.000 I want their names to be revealed.

00:30:48.000 But we go through some of these donations.

00:30:50.000 Harvard Medical School receives $200 million gift, the largest in school history.

00:30:55.000 Harvard has been the leader, by the way, of some of this, some of the worst, most vile Jew hatred we've seen in the last couple of days.

00:31:04.000 Harvard Student Group issues an anti-Israel statement.

00:31:08.000 31 student groups signed a letter.

00:31:11.000 This is Columbia.

00:31:13.000 This is Harvard.

00:31:15.000 This is NYU.

00:31:17.000 This is George Washington.

00:31:20.000 And by the way, just so we're clear, I didn't make this up.

00:31:23.000 Thank you, Blakeford.

00:31:24.000 Jews on average give nearly double what Christians give on average in America.

00:31:30.000 It's a fact.

00:31:31.000 And by the way, Arizona State University as well.

00:31:34.000 And so when I say you must defund these universities, that you must no longer subsidize it.

00:31:41.000 I have said for a while, Jews that vote Democrat are funding a political party and a political movement that hates them. 0.92

00:31:49.000 I want to play another piece of tape here.

00:31:51.000 Alan Dershowitz continues.

00:31:52.000 Play cut 99.

00:31:53.000 Listen to this.

00:31:54.000 Play cut 99.

00:31:56.000 We succeeded in one case today.

00:31:58.000 A woman named Raina Workman, the head of the Student Bar Association at NYU, talked about how it was necessary to rape and murder.

00:32:07.000 And you know what happened?

00:32:08.000 Her offer as a lawyer was rescinded by the law firm.

00:32:12.000 Thank you, law firm, for doing that. 0.99

00:32:14.000 Would anybody want as a lawyer a woman who advocated rape and murder, a woman advocating rape? 1.00

00:32:21.000 That's what's going on in these universities.

00:32:24.000 And it's not isolated.

00:32:26.000 This surprises me zero.

00:32:28.000 Zero.

00:32:29.000 Bill Ackman, billionaire hedge fund manager, and several of the business leaders are demanding Harvard University release the names of students whose organization signed on to a letter blaming solely Israel for the deadly attacks by Hamas.

00:32:41.000 Good for Bill Ackman, by the way.

00:32:42.000 Good for him.

00:32:44.000 We have been warning at Turning Point USA, it's not just the anti-Semitism and the Jew hatred.

00:32:49.000 It's not, but it is the BLM stuff.

00:32:52.000 It is open borders.

00:32:53.000 It is the trans stuff. 0.99

00:32:54.000 It all incubates there. 0.96

00:32:56.000 Maybe this will make Jewish donors wake up and say, stop giving money to these institutions that are training kids to want to murder you. 0.99

00:33:09.000 Every day I go to these universities and they have plush palatial gardens and massive buildings.

00:33:14.000 And the names on the buildings are well-intentioned, largely Jewish donors.

00:33:20.000 And I sometimes say, boy, they have no idea.

00:33:23.000 They have just written a huge check to make it less likely that Jews can live freely.

00:33:29.000 That's what they teach at these universities, period. 0.97

00:33:31.000 Jew hatred. 0.75

00:33:33.000 And it's made possible thanks to generous Jews.

00:33:37.000 Make it make sense.

00:33:41.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:33:43.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:33:46.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - October 11, 2023

Staring Evil in the Face with Ben Shapiro and Chaya Raichik

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