The Charlie Kirk Show - Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024

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00:01:11.000 Steve, welcome.

00:01:13.000 Thanks for having me.

00:01:15.000 So Steve, we're in a very interesting moment right now.

00:01:18.000 You have been kind of, some would say in the media, the architect of the populist nationalist movement.

00:01:24.000 Walk us through kind of the last year and what stage are we in in this populist nationalist chapter in American history?

00:01:32.000 Well, we're in the ascended stage.

00:01:34.000 I mean, but you're going to hit speed bumps like today.

00:01:37.000 I mean, this is absolutely humiliating.

00:01:41.000 Not for us, but for the standard way that...

00:01:45.000 Let's try to talk right into it, yeah.

00:01:46.000 ...that Washington, D.C. thinks, right?

00:01:49.000 I mean, today we saw conventional thinking.

00:01:51.000 We saw this bipartisanship, that it's a malignant cancer inside our body politic that has to be cut out.

00:02:01.000 And look over the last...

00:02:02.000 It's not just the last year, it's the last four years.

00:02:04.000 President Trump leaves after having the 2020 election stolen.

00:02:08.000 Pretty obvious.

00:02:09.000 Goes to Mar-a-Lago.

00:02:11.000 The political class totally abandons him.

00:02:14.000 You know, there's a handful of people that have his back.

00:02:17.000 He starts coming back.

00:02:19.000 He makes a decision, the most courageous decision in the history of American politics because he knew what was going to be in front of him.

00:02:27.000 He knew that they were going to...

00:02:29.000 You know, try to bankrupt his company and destroy his family and eventually indict him.

00:02:36.000 And so it was this courageous moral courage to come back, and that was in 2021. The precinct strategies.

00:02:43.000 Scott Pressler going out and changing the architecture of these states, of the electorate, whether it's Arizona or Pennsylvania.

00:02:51.000 And, you know, people going door to door.

00:02:53.000 This is what populism is.

00:02:55.000 It doesn't need, you don't need tons of money.

00:02:58.000 You don't need, you know, any, you know, one or two leaders.

00:03:02.000 It comes from the people itself.

00:03:03.000 It's a sovereign will of the people.

00:03:05.000 And you saw your energy and your focus and your determination took the 2022 election.

00:03:12.000 President Trump then announced right afterwards.

00:03:14.000 Look at what happened a year ago.

00:03:17.000 Look where we were a year ago at this conference.

00:03:20.000 Remember, All the primaries had not come.

00:03:23.000 The general election had not come.

00:03:25.000 And look at the energy and enthusiasm that Turning Point had.

00:03:28.000 And look at the work that Turning Point did, particularly in Arizona and in Pennsylvania.

00:03:33.000 You guys deserve—you are the vanguard of a revolutionary movement, just like in 1775. And victory begets victory.

00:03:46.000 You just— Supported an individual that has had the greatest political comeback in the history of the world.

00:03:55.000 That was you.

00:03:57.000 If you guys had faltered, if you guys had quit, if you guys had just said, I don't know if we can do this, it was your agency and a collective, the sovereign will of the people.

00:04:07.000 That's why it trumps back.

00:04:08.000 And what you saw here in the last 72 hours is just more of the D.C. same.

00:04:12.000 It's the same bipartisanship, kind of old Republican Party thinking.

00:04:16.000 Is that clear?

00:04:17.000 No, it's very clear.

00:04:18.000 I'm only interrupting just because, as I said on your program this morning, I'm busy running an event.

00:04:24.000 Educate me as if I'm just passively watching the news.

00:04:26.000 What is going on here with the CR up until the moment of this broadcast right now?

00:04:31.000 Think about this thing, you know, with Johnson.

00:04:35.000 You know, having turfed out McCarthy because of the spending, he, you know, and he's hanging with Vivek, he's hanging with Elon Musk, he's hanging with the president.

00:04:46.000 Every time I look, whether it's a UFC fight or the box at the Army-Navy game, or every time he's hanging around, right?

00:04:52.000 And he, out of nowhere, there's supposed to be a CR. It's supposed to be two lines.

00:04:57.000 Because remember, always remember, the CR itself is just continual spending from the old budget.

00:05:02.000 It's about $500.

00:05:03.000 Which we don't support in principle.

00:05:04.000 We don't support.

00:05:05.000 In principle.

00:05:05.000 But in practice, it might be necessary.

00:05:07.000 The only reason this is necessary, we hate them all, the only reason this is necessary is because this kicks it into President Trump's administration.

00:05:14.000 That's right.

00:05:15.000 This is where he's got Russ vote at OMB. This is where he has the House, the Senate, the executive branch, his team's back, Scott Besson, Russ vote, Peter Navarro.

00:05:22.000 He gives President Trump a chance to craft the current fiscal year we're in.

00:05:27.000 And what happens?

00:05:28.000 This should be a two-line thing.

00:05:31.000 And if the farmers' bill's late, you need a couple of billion, you need $10 billion for the farmers or $20 billion.

00:05:37.000 The FEMA, there should be offsets.

00:05:39.000 It's simple to do the offsets.

00:05:40.000 There's offsets in there.

00:05:41.000 You can do offsets for the FEMA money.

00:05:43.000 And quite frankly, find out what FEMA hasn't given the cash they have, right?

00:05:47.000 You have to drill down.

00:05:48.000 What does he give us?

00:05:49.000 1,500 pages that's negotiated from weeks and weeks and weeks, and it's Hakeem Jeffries.

00:05:54.000 There's so many.

00:05:55.000 It's a Democrat bill.

00:05:57.000 Two-thirds, and it lays another, I don't know, $300 billion of spending.

00:06:01.000 So then you have a trillion dollars, essentially $800 billion to a trillion dollars for this one quarter.

00:06:06.000 It's just, it's this madness, and they insult your intelligence by not telling anybody, just dropping it on people.

00:06:13.000 It's so complicated, and you just read from the bio labs to the pandemic to the What was that all about? 0.68

00:06:18.000 We're funding Ukrainian bio labs?

00:06:20.000 And the global engagement center that went out of their way to shut us all down.

00:06:24.000 They're funding that if you go through this demo and they have provisions there, you can't do investigations.

00:06:30.000 It's a mess.

00:06:30.000 And it was highly negotiated and they hit it.

00:06:33.000 That's the point.

00:06:34.000 And it has a pay raise.

00:06:36.000 That has a pay raise. 0.99

00:06:37.000 We just won by bringing African Americans, Hispanics, white working class in this coalition that's like 1932. And these people, the lived experience, they're not buying the happy talk of mainstream media that the economy is doing great because it's doing great for the top 1% for the oligarchs because of federal spending.

00:06:56.000 And here you give a pay raise from $173,000 to $24,000.

00:07:00.000 74%.

00:07:00.000 And not just that, if they had put it up front on the cover and said, look, people, you know, haven't had a pay raise in 10 years.

00:07:08.000 They can't support their families.

00:07:09.000 And by the way, we know the guy got shot in the back and there's seething anger among people about this insurance, but we want to opt out of Obamacare, although we voted it for you guys, right?

00:07:18.000 If they had put that up front, If they put it up front and not hit it on page 900 of the bill, it'd be different.

00:07:25.000 You'd say no, but at least you wouldn't try to hide things.

00:07:29.000 This shows you—it's not just Johnson.

00:07:31.000 Clearly, he must be removed, but it's not him.

00:07:34.000 It's deeper than that.

00:07:35.000 This is the mindset of the political class.

00:07:38.000 This is how they think, and they think you always have to compromise.

00:07:41.000 You always go with supplicants.

00:07:43.000 You weren't supplicants when you canvassed these neighborhoods.

00:07:47.000 You weren't supplicants when Pressler went out and changed the architecture of the voting population of Pennsylvania.

00:07:53.000 You weren't supplicants when you had Trump's back in Georgia, in New York City, in Florida, when you were standing outside protesting when he was hauled before these fake judges.

00:08:05.000 We haven't been supplicants in four years.

00:08:08.000 Why would we do it when we win?

00:08:10.000 We don't have to.

00:08:12.000 We just have to be on offense.

00:08:16.000 And the fact this was negotiated is there is no other description than treacherous.

00:08:23.000 Yes.

00:08:24.000 Am I correct in that?

00:08:25.000 100%.

00:08:25.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:08:26.000 It's a malignant cancer.

00:08:27.000 It's this mindset.

00:08:28.000 And then they also don't understand the new ecosystem of media.

00:08:33.000 First off, You people thrive for information.

00:08:37.000 This is so important.

00:08:39.000 This is why you're doing Charlie Kirk.

00:08:40.000 Look, the War Room's not an easy watch.

00:08:42.000 We don't do a crack a lot of jokes or habits.

00:08:44.000 We're not chasing, you know, we don't chase the shiny toys that people want to play.

00:08:49.000 No, it's tough stuff.

00:08:50.000 And Charlie Kirk, not a lot of laughs.

00:08:50.000 It's tough.

00:08:52.000 No.

00:08:53.000 But why do you...

00:08:55.000 Listen, you're a cadre...

00:08:57.000 These shows are not for a mass audience.

00:08:59.000 We will never be the biggest show.

00:09:01.000 Charlie will never be the biggest show.

00:09:03.000 You're a...

00:09:03.000 We'll see.

00:09:04.000 You're...

00:09:09.000 I want to do sponsorships for Charlie, so I'll knock down the thing.

00:09:11.000 We'll see.

00:09:12.000 No.

00:09:14.000 It's a great point.

00:09:15.000 If you look at any revolutionary movement, if you look at the revolution, our American Revolution, you have cadres, small groups of people that form together.

00:09:24.000 They get information.

00:09:25.000 This was the committees of correspondence.

00:09:27.000 This was the subtext of the revolution.

00:09:29.000 This is what led to the Continental Congress.

00:09:32.000 This is what led to the Continental Congress to say, hey, look, we've actually got to declare independence.

00:09:36.000 We can't work with the House of Commons anymore.

00:09:38.000 That is what you are.

00:09:40.000 Please remember your place in history when the history of this age is written.

00:09:46.000 They will not remember Elon Musk, they will not remember Tucker Carlson, they're not going to remember Charlie Kirk or Steve Bannon.

00:09:51.000 It's going to be the age of Trump and they're going to remember the MAGA movement, okay?

00:09:56.000 They're going to say a movement came up from the 2008 financial crisis.

00:10:00.000 It took decades to build, but eventually it took over the politics of the country, of the American Republic and saved the American Republic.

00:10:08.000 That's what you guys are.

00:10:10.000 And you just had a historic win.

00:10:12.000 You don't need to sit there.

00:10:14.000 When Johnson sends you 1,500 pages, you go, no, we're not going to do this.

00:10:18.000 We're not going to play these games.

00:10:20.000 We're not going to do this anymore.

00:10:21.000 The country's heading towards bankruptcy.

00:10:23.000 We have to have Trump's back, getting him here.

00:10:25.000 So right now, I say, shut it down.

00:10:28.000 Yeah!

00:10:32.000 Steve, I have so many thoughts on this.

00:10:35.000 Let's focus on one that's immediate.

00:10:37.000 And you and I always connect on this.

00:10:40.000 I do a two-hour show, a three-hour show, two hours on Rav.

00:10:44.000 You do like five hours a day, right?

00:10:46.000 Four hours.

00:10:47.000 It's unbelievable.

00:10:48.000 It just feels like five hours sometimes.

00:10:50.000 But the hardest part of my job, and Steve, you'll appreciate this, is keeping up with the audience.

00:10:55.000 100%.

00:10:56.000 Is that the audience is one step ahead of me.

00:10:59.000 Always.

00:10:59.000 Fact-checking.

00:11:00.000 Not just fact-checking, but can you add some color to this?

00:11:04.000 Okay.

00:11:05.000 And this is the reason the mainstream media is meaningless now. 1.00

00:11:09.000 Because if you watch the 6 o'clock broadcast news, it's so stupid, right? 1.00

00:11:15.000 Quite frankly, even if you watch MSNBC and CNN, it's so ridiculous. 1.00

00:11:18.000 Not just bias, stupid. 1.00

00:11:21.000 Fox is Fox, right? 1.00

00:11:23.000 If you look at the podcast, if you look at the Twitter, these different social media platforms, all the information, the force multiplier, the hardest job I have every day and the producers of my show is to keep ahead of you.

00:11:37.000 To make sure that, hey, they've heard this, they know this, right?

00:11:37.000 That's exactly.

00:11:41.000 What are we going to tell them?

00:11:43.000 Driving.

00:11:44.000 What information are we going to have that's new to them?

00:11:47.000 How do we make sure that we're always at the cutting edge?

00:11:50.000 And that is the compliment to you.

00:11:52.000 This is what populism is.

00:11:54.000 Your agency is driving this.

00:11:57.000 Not any, at least think about it for a second.

00:11:58.000 Let's go back to 2021. Look at all, go to Fox, go to MSNBC, go to CNN. Just read the papers, Washington Post, every pundit.

00:12:06.000 Trump is finished.

00:12:07.000 Trump is dead.

00:12:08.000 MAGA is finished.

00:12:09.000 MAGA is dead.

00:12:10.000 Over and over and over again.

00:12:12.000 It was their mantra.

00:12:13.000 You just won the biggest election and comeback in American history.

00:12:18.000 The pundits were wrong and you were right.

00:12:20.000 I want you to understand that.

00:12:21.000 You were right politically.

00:12:23.000 Right?

00:12:24.000 You were right as political scientists.

00:12:26.000 You don't have to have a PhD from the University of Chicago.

00:12:28.000 That is you and you and you.

00:12:31.000 You did this.

00:12:32.000 There's nothing that can stop what you want to accomplish for this country.

00:12:36.000 And that's why they got to still try to destroy Trump.

00:12:39.000 And that's quite frankly why they still have to destroy this movement.

00:12:42.000 So, Steve, what is it?

00:12:43.000 I mean, you were so—in the 2021-2022 cycle, we were just getting started on RAV. We were still getting to know each other, and we've gotten to know each other really well the last couple years.

00:12:52.000 But you were so early on, we're all in for Trump, and we were too, but you were forcefully early that this thing is going to be a decisive 2024 victory.

00:13:00.000 You saw it years ahead of time.

00:13:02.000 It was—the clairvoyance was remarkable.

00:13:04.000 I mean, your skeptics would say it's just luck.

00:13:07.000 You know, Steve just kind of rolled snake eyes, but it's not.

00:13:10.000 Like, you saw—what did you see— I saw 16. When they were 14 points down, they called me on August 13th because I was running Breitbart.

00:13:19.000 And I had a conversation with President Trump.

00:13:20.000 He's like 12 or 14 points down with the Muslim family, with the Constitution. 0.80

00:13:24.000 That's right.

00:13:25.000 Khan was his name.

00:13:26.000 And the thing's spinning out of control.

00:13:26.000 Khan.

00:13:27.000 And I said, hey, 100—because he says, how are we going to turn this around?

00:13:31.000 Because Ryan's about to cut us loose.

00:13:33.000 Mitch McConnell's about to cut us loose.

00:13:34.000 I said, 100% metaphysical certitude, you will win, right?

00:13:39.000 We just got to focus on these couple of issues, and we have to go to the blue wall.

00:13:43.000 And he said, what?

00:13:44.000 I said, we got to go to Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

00:13:48.000 We're going to pierce the blue wall, because the lived experience of the American people is terrible right now.

00:13:54.000 Steve, I never asked, how did you see that?

00:13:56.000 I mean, that was so contrarian.

00:13:57.000 It was so unorthodox.

00:13:59.000 Was it Instinct, gut?

00:14:01.000 Was there something in your life that made you see it?

00:14:03.000 Well, I come from a blue-collar family, right?

00:14:04.000 I come from a working-class, you know, Democrat family, quite frankly.

00:14:07.000 We were all Democrats until the Vietnam War and then President Reagan.

00:14:11.000 But it's simple to see.

00:14:13.000 You just see the lived experience of how people live.

00:14:15.000 You just see that you can understand the math of the economics.

00:14:18.000 The American people, we've hollowed out The greatest country in the world. 0.97

00:14:22.000 We are a manufacturing superpower with high-value-added jobs that an individual, like my dad, could be a foreman for the phone company and have a stay-at-home mom that raised the kids and have five kids that all went to Catholic school and then all went to college, right?

00:14:38.000 You can't do that today.

00:14:39.000 It's impossible.

00:14:40.000 Why can't you do that?

00:14:41.000 Well, they tell you, they give you all this stuff.

00:14:43.000 And I said, this is not the second law of thermodynamics.

00:14:45.000 This is not some...

00:14:46.000 Well, it's not the physical property of the universe.

00:14:49.000 It's because people make conscious decisions to ship the jobs overseas because they made money with having the Lao Beijing, the Chinese slave labor, do the jobs. 0.85

00:14:59.000 It can all be reversed.

00:15:00.000 You just have to have policies to reverse it.

00:15:03.000 And President Trump, that's why, look, President Trump is not a particularly churchy individual, okay?

00:15:10.000 He's not.

00:15:11.000 He's not.

00:15:12.000 But he is an instrument of divine providence, okay?

00:15:16.000 I've seen it up close.

00:15:18.000 No, I saw it in 16. In 16, we had no money, we had a plane, we had a man, we had a message, and about 10 of us, right?

00:15:26.000 And he defeated Hillary Clinton, the Clinton Mafia, particularly in Michigan, Wisconsin.

00:15:32.000 And here's why.

00:15:32.000 The first thing we did on the campaign, I took it over, I said, we're going to go to Flint, Michigan.

00:15:36.000 And he goes, that's a Democratic city?

00:15:38.000 I go, exactly where we're going to go.

00:15:39.000 You can go to Flint.

00:15:40.000 She can't.

00:15:41.000 Then he went to Mexico and met the president because you can go to Mexico.

00:15:45.000 She can't.

00:15:46.000 You could go to places that people all of a sudden see.

00:15:49.000 And remember, they hated him so much, they tried to destroy him right from the beginning, from the very first second that we won.

00:15:55.000 In 2020, it is obvious from the mathematics that he won the 2020 election.

00:16:01.000 It was stolen, right?

00:16:04.000 But...

00:16:06.000 That was providential.

00:16:07.000 In this arc of this story, in the arc of this story, they had to steal it.

00:16:12.000 Because we had to see, and more Americans had to see how radical they are, how they are neo-Marxist, how they would destroy this country.

00:16:19.000 Now they're all coming out with the stories about the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal in the last 48 hours, and how Biden was never really present.

00:16:27.000 They had to cover up in the National Security Council everything we've been saying for the last four years, they now admit is true.

00:16:34.000 Right?

00:16:35.000 And they never invoked the 25th Amendment.

00:16:37.000 They allowed 15 million invaders into our country. 1.00

00:16:39.000 They got us involved in all these forever wars all over.

00:16:42.000 They shipped a quarter of a trillion dollars to Ukraine that we still don't understand why.

00:16:46.000 We've got a million dead or wounded Ukrainians and 700,000 dead or wounded Russians.

00:16:52.000 Everything they have done is try to destroy this country, and that is the power of Trump's story.

00:16:56.000 This is what I would tell people.

00:16:57.000 It's not going to be Ron DeSantis.

00:16:59.000 It's not going to be Nikki Haley.

00:17:00.000 This country has a narrative.

00:17:02.000 This is the new Jerusalem, and we have a path in front of us.

00:17:06.000 Trump is a very imperfect guy.

00:17:10.000 His imperfection makes it a more powerful story, that he is imbued by divine providence to lead a movement to save this country, and that's it.

00:17:25.000 That is a great segue.

00:17:26.000 Let's take some questions.

00:17:27.000 Is that cool, Steve?

00:17:28.000 Daisy, let's start taking some questions.

00:17:30.000 For those of you that are new to members, welcome guys.

00:17:33.000 Just a reminder, we'll be doing this the next couple of days.

00:17:36.000 And thank you guys for being a member.

00:17:37.000 It allows us to continue to grow and flourish.

00:17:40.000 Daisy, let's get some questions here.

00:17:43.000 And emphasis on questions.

00:17:45.000 Not speeches.

00:17:46.000 No commercials.

00:17:48.000 Yeah, Steve, some people in the room may or may not know that you were in prison.

00:17:52.000 Could you tell us a little bit about your experience there?

00:17:55.000 No, I don't want to...

00:17:56.000 Thank you.

00:17:56.000 It's a great question.

00:17:57.000 You know, I am very proud I was a political prisoner.

00:18:01.000 Nancy Pelosi thought she was going to break me. 1.00

00:18:03.000 I came out empowered, and she's broken.

00:18:09.000 It was a very dangerous place, but there are many, many good people.

00:18:13.000 And I tell you, I saw Trump's victory there.

00:18:15.000 That's the only time I put something out was on, I think, August 26th.

00:18:18.000 It said victory's at hand.

00:18:19.000 The politics of joy was a lie.

00:18:22.000 The prisoners in there, the Hispanics and African Americans, hate the Democratic Party, and they hated Kamala Harris, and they hated Joe Biden. 0.97

00:18:30.000 And about 60% voted or their families voted for Trump, but the other 40% wouldn't vote.

00:18:35.000 Right there.

00:18:37.000 The Hispanics and African Americans, right? 0.90

00:18:39.000 That is the basis of our 1932 realignment, and I saw it.

00:18:44.000 It's not about me, it's not about what happened in prison, but I gotta tell you, they empowered me in no way, and she's broken, right?

00:18:51.000 Not the hip, that's unfortunate, but I mean...

00:18:54.000 No, politically.

00:18:57.000 Politically, she's been shattered, and we're stronger than ever.

00:19:01.000 But thanks for the question.

00:19:03.000 Daisy, who would you next?

00:19:07.000 Hey, Charlie.

00:19:08.000 Hi.

00:19:09.000 Hi.

00:19:09.000 Right after the election, something you said was, okay, my number one job is to get the list of all the J6ers.

00:19:17.000 I have the list.

00:19:17.000 Yep.

00:19:19.000 Okay.

00:19:19.000 Do you?

00:19:20.000 So, well, my close friend's son was the youngest J6er. 1.00

00:19:24.000 They put him in solitary for 40 days at 18 years old.

00:19:28.000 And he just got out at 22 years old.

00:19:30.000 He's only six months in, but just got married.

00:19:33.000 It's ended up being an amazing redemption story, but I just wanted to make sure that man's name is on the list.

00:19:38.000 Yeah, so everyone's on the list.

00:19:40.000 Look, I'm not going to tell anything, private conversations, but Steve will reiterate, there is a force of energy to get pardons for J6 prisoners. 0.94

00:19:47.000 Amen.

00:19:48.000 Day one.

00:19:49.000 Day one.

00:19:50.000 I'm not speaking on behalf of the president.

00:19:53.000 It will end up being the president's decision to sign on the dotted line.

00:19:56.000 What I can say is that people closest to him brought up daily.

00:19:59.000 It is brought up daily.

00:20:00.000 Right, Steve?

00:20:01.000 This is not just some sort of forgotten thing.

00:20:04.000 It is a top priority.

00:20:05.000 And so the president has made some promises on that.

00:20:07.000 It is his decision.

00:20:08.000 We've got to work it.

00:20:09.000 And we've just got to keep working it, keep pushing it.

00:20:11.000 But the good news is that this is not like a forgotten thing where people just say one thing and not.

00:20:16.000 So...

00:20:16.000 I was not in a camp.

00:20:18.000 I was in a federal prison, okay?

00:20:19.000 And we had a lot of J6 folks there. 1.00

00:20:22.000 What they did to those people in D.C., and this is why the investigations have to take place, the people that tormented and tortured them in D.C. prison, war crimes.

00:20:30.000 They have to be tried, they have to be investigated, and they're going to go to prison.

00:20:34.000 All the way up to Matthew Gray's.

00:20:36.000 We're never going to stop on that.

00:20:38.000 What happened to those individuals is unacceptable.

00:20:40.000 We can never let it happen again.

00:20:42.000 We're talking about pre-trial detention for a year and a half, two years for some of these people, right?

00:20:46.000 It's just unbelievable.

00:20:47.000 Okay.

00:20:47.000 Oh, yes.

00:20:48.000 Daisy, who do we got?

00:20:49.000 Hi, Steve.

00:20:50.000 My name is Mark Klugman.

00:20:51.000 I was one of President Reagan's speechwriters.

00:20:53.000 What you went through was where they're changing the rules on executive privilege.

00:20:57.000 Now, on the question of the Biden pardons, there is a legal argument that a pardon only takes effect when there's been an offense.

00:21:06.000 That's what it says in the Constitution.

00:21:08.000 There is no offense until there's a conviction.

00:21:11.000 Therefore, there's the argument that a pardon will prevent you from being punished, but it doesn't prevent you from being indicted.

00:21:17.000 It doesn't prevent you from standing trial.

00:21:19.000 How do you see that?

00:21:21.000 Yeah, the most high-profile preemptive pardon, of course, was Gerald Ford pardoning Nixon.

00:21:26.000 And what it does is that a prosecution will not have the guster to go through the process of writing indictment and going to trial if there's even a slight chance that the conviction will not be held up in court.

00:21:37.000 Steve, is that a fair summary?

00:21:38.000 Yeah, so look, anyone that has been preemptively pardoned, they have the right to do that.

00:21:38.000 Yes.

00:21:43.000 But I just, I laugh and I scoff.

00:21:46.000 These are the people that were constantly telling us that we're the criminals and they're even, they are legitimately probing preemptive pardons.

00:21:53.000 It's worse now.

00:21:54.000 First off, executive privilege was just one.

00:21:58.000 Depending on my lawyer for advice who told me, I followed everything he told me.

00:22:01.000 But the most important, Was the illegitimacy of the committee.

00:22:05.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:22:05.000 Remember the committee.

00:22:06.000 It was illegally constituted.

00:22:07.000 Banks and Jordan were let go.

00:22:09.000 And so for the first time, a major select committee did not have a ranking member and did not have minority counsel.

00:22:15.000 Remember, you didn't get the evidence and you couldn't cross-examine the witnesses.

00:22:19.000 This is about Cassie Hutchinson and all of it.

00:22:21.000 It was a total sham.

00:22:22.000 And now Benny Thompson on national TV is saying he would take a pardon if given to him.

00:22:27.000 Cheney, Loudermilk.

00:22:29.000 And this is my problem with both McCarthy and Johnson.

00:22:32.000 They've had years to sit there and get rid of all the...

00:22:35.000 Just take the committee and throw it out and start over again.

00:22:39.000 And we have to have a real investigation of the 2020...

00:22:42.000 And by the way, the more we're transparent, the better.

00:22:45.000 We know we have the facts.

00:22:47.000 Make it totally transparent.

00:22:48.000 On the 2020 election, on J6, the day, and what they didn't do in the Fed's erection part of it.

00:22:54.000 July 13th.

00:22:55.000 All of it.

00:22:58.000 On day one, President Trump should declassify about 5 million pages of classified information.

00:23:05.000 They use the classified information.

00:23:07.000 Look, I had above a top secret clearance when I was 20-some years old, coming back as a naval officer in my destroyer and then coming back to the Pentagon.

00:23:17.000 And then I had a high security clearance and saying, 99% of it is to keep the information from you.

00:23:24.000 Trust me.

00:23:25.000 Okay?

00:23:25.000 They don't want the people actually be part of the decision-making process.

00:23:29.000 And I can tell you in the last, you know, eight years with President Trump and his populist movement, you guys make pretty good decisions.

00:23:35.000 If you gave me the choice.

00:23:37.000 To be governed by the top 100 partners at Goldman Sachs or Cravath or Sullivan and Cromwell, McKinsey or Bruce Allen, and the first 100 people that walked in this room, I take you 100 every day, right?

00:23:49.000 No!

00:23:50.000 More humanity, more empathy, more understanding life, more common sense, more knowledge, more drive.

00:23:57.000 It's obvious.

00:23:57.000 This is what the country is so successful.

00:23:59.000 It's not them, it's you.

00:24:00.000 And they want to hold that back, that committee.

00:24:03.000 And we can never allow this to happen again.

00:24:05.000 But I got to tell you, you see, now they're not just talking preemptive blanket pardons.

00:24:10.000 Think about that.

00:24:11.000 Preemptive blanket pardons.

00:24:12.000 Norm Eisen is on TV last night talking about blanket amnesty.

00:24:16.000 They are scared to death.

00:24:19.000 And we owe it to this republic, to every patriot's grave, all the way back to the founding of this republic, the New Jerusalem, to hunt it down to the ends of the earth and bring them to justice.

00:24:32.000 We have time for a couple more, maybe one or two, and then I've got to get Steve prepped for on stage.

00:24:36.000 I don't want to just throw him up on stage.

00:24:38.000 That wouldn't be fair for the great Steve Bannon.

00:24:40.000 I've got to get lower key.

00:24:41.000 I need another Red Bull.

00:24:43.000 One more Red Bull.

00:24:44.000 Daisy, who's in charge? 1.00

00:24:46.000 Do we have somebody for a question?

00:24:47.000 What do you both think is going to happen with Justin Trudeau in Canada?

00:24:51.000 To what?

00:24:52.000 Justin Trudeau.

00:24:52.000 What do you think is going to happen with the governor?

00:24:54.000 Oh, he's going to get tossed out.

00:24:55.000 He's going to get tossed out.

00:24:56.000 The populace is going to win.

00:24:58.000 First off, the letter from Freeland was brutal.

00:25:01.000 And she's no day at the beach, right?

00:25:02.000 She's very cunning.

00:25:03.000 But her letter, she said, you're not taking seriously President Trump's aggressive economic nationalism.

00:25:11.000 And you're not keeping our powder dry.

00:25:13.000 The deficits are too big.

00:25:14.000 This current budget.

00:25:15.000 She said, I'm out.

00:25:16.000 I mean, she's trying to take his job. 0.98

00:25:17.000 I think he's cooked.

00:25:18.000 He is...

00:25:20.000 He shows you what Hillary Clinton would have done to this country, right?

00:25:24.000 That's the type of globalist, you know, party of Davos he is.

00:25:27.000 Okay, we have time for one, maybe two more.

00:25:30.000 That was quick.

00:25:31.000 I agree with Steve.

00:25:32.000 Anybody?

00:25:33.000 Do we have a mic runner?

00:25:34.000 Yes.

00:25:35.000 Hi, Steve.

00:25:36.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:25:37.000 I just want to thank you for what you guys have done for the grassroots movement, what you're doing for just the people of America that we're tired of all of this crap.

00:25:49.000 Sorry. 0.70

00:25:51.000 Jesus is listening.

00:25:54.000 I'm wearing my dad's Trump 2020 hat, and it means a lot to me.

00:26:00.000 My dad, I think, was kind of an original troller.

00:26:03.000 And so my question, I would say, is my dad said one time that he was going to the pro-Trump rally, meaning that it was January 4th, 2021. And so he was a big believer in the grassroots effort and Trump and the businessmen, and he highly believed in Ross Perot.

00:26:23.000 And I just wondered what you guys thought about businessmen and that kind of that movement and running the country.

00:26:30.000 I will say that the underappreciated through line of what Ross Perot pinpointed in the early 90s, direct connected to Trump.

00:26:38.000 Ross Perot was Trump before Trump.

00:26:40.000 He just wasn't Trump.

00:26:41.000 In the sense where he said the same stuff, that sucking noise you hear is Mexico taking our jobs from us.

00:26:46.000 He was a populist nationalist that, remember, he was poised to win the presidency, and then all of a sudden he stopped his campaign and suspended it because there was someone following him in his front yard.

00:26:56.000 Do you remember this whole story?

00:26:57.000 It was really goofy, and then he re-entered the race, and by the time he did, all of his support went down.

00:26:57.000 I remember that.

00:27:01.000 But Ross Perot was very clairvoyant and saw ahead, saw the harbinger, the canary in the coal mine of the de-industrialization of the American body politic.

00:27:11.000 How many, did anyone here vote for Ross Perot?

00:27:13.000 Look at that.

00:27:14.000 I do this at every event, and it's like 20% in both 92, not 96. Both?

00:27:21.000 You were both?

00:27:22.000 92 and 96. In 96, he didn't have the same sort of spark.

00:27:26.000 But, again, I think that...

00:27:28.000 He got 23% of the vote, I think.

00:27:30.000 Yeah, no, that's right.

00:27:30.000 A hand grenade with a bad haircut.

00:27:34.000 He was the first, really, on the national stage fire-breathing popular, I guess since Huey Long or William Jennings Bryan or Andrew Jackson.

00:27:45.000 Yeah, not as good as great again.

00:27:47.000 He got that close.

00:27:48.000 One more final question here.

00:27:50.000 Yes.

00:27:51.000 Final one.

00:27:53.000 Hi, Wendy.

00:27:53.000 Hi, Steve.

00:27:54.000 My mom is your biggest fan.

00:27:57.000 She watches you every single day.

00:27:59.000 And so, Marcia, hi.

00:28:03.000 I represent an organization called Hindus for America First.

00:28:07.000 We mobilized over a million Hindu-American voters to support the Republican Party and America First candidates, including Donald Trump.

00:28:15.000 And one of the concerns that we wanted to bring to the president, and he actually tweeted about it, or posted about it on X, at the end of October was the persecution of religious minorities in Bangladesh following the fall of Sheikh Hasina.

00:28:34.000 There are Christians, Jews, and Hindus being persecuted by the Clinton Foundation darling, Muhammad Yunus, And I would love to know what you think. 0.99

00:28:45.000 I know you said Donald Trump is not a churchy man, but what will he do to protect religious freedoms and religious minorities?

00:28:53.000 Well, saying he's not churchy, you know, I think he has a very spiritual side to him.

00:28:58.000 I mean, Donald Trump's got a big heart.

00:29:00.000 He's a very kind individual.

00:29:01.000 He really is.

00:29:01.000 A lot of what you see is kind of, you know, kind of the negotiating.

00:29:05.000 The bravado.

00:29:06.000 He's a very, he's actually, and I think he's gotten more spiritual since the assassination attempt.

00:29:10.000 You've seen a very different time of him.

00:29:12.000 Look, I'm a huge fan of Modi's, right?

00:29:14.000 So I think we've got to, you know, President Trump will look into it, but it's horrible what's going on over there.

00:29:19.000 But, you know, Modi is the best.

00:29:21.000 He's the best nationalist in the world.

00:29:23.000 What he's done in India is second to none. 1.00

00:29:26.000 We actually have time for one more if Steve is game for it.

00:29:29.000 All right, Wendy, yell it out.

00:29:30.000 What do you think would happen to Hobbs and Mays after January 20th?

00:29:35.000 Well, I think all of these, and particularly Arizona, the whole situation in 2020, you have to have a full and deep investigation.

00:29:44.000 And also with the voting, you just have to.

00:29:46.000 But it has to be completely transparent.

00:29:49.000 And it has to be completely transparent.

00:29:52.000 If a commission's set up or if it's in the House or whatever, you have to make sure that the American people can see this.

00:29:58.000 It must be fully transparent.

00:30:00.000 I happen to believe there's so much there because, listen, what Turning Point did in Arizona is historic.

00:30:07.000 I mean, we turned it around.

00:30:08.000 It's a five-and-a-half-point win.

00:30:10.000 The best performing swing state of any swing state, despite being outspent 3-1.

00:30:15.000 It was a 5.5 point win.

00:30:18.000 No state comes even close.

00:30:19.000 In fact, it was the best performance Trump ever had in this state.

00:30:22.000 Whereas you can't say that for North Carolina-Georgia.

00:30:24.000 He actually underperformed his previous totals from 16. It's three parts to how you get there.

00:30:29.000 Number one is the Scott Presser or the mentality to go change the composition of the electorate by doing voter registration, sitting in those parking lots and 105 degrees and doing it.

00:30:40.000 That's grinding it out.

00:30:42.000 The other part is the canvassing and getting out the vote and making sure you have the phone banks, you have all of it, that huge logistics round and volunteers that do it over and over and over again.

00:30:52.000 And the last part is training up the election integrity.

00:30:55.000 So you're sitting at the table and they can't steal it like they tried to steal it before.

00:31:00.000 Those three elements came together.

00:31:02.000 I will tell you that 2020, Donald John Trump won Arizona.

00:31:08.000 It's absolutely no doubt.

00:31:10.000 And Carrie Lake is the legitimate governor of Arizona. 1.00

00:31:15.000 No doubt.

00:31:17.000 So, Colonel, I think we have to be methodical about this.

00:31:21.000 I think we have to go about it so it's purely transparent and everybody, the community buys in, so we say it can never, ever happen again.

00:31:29.000 I've got to get Steve on stage.

00:31:30.000 Give it up for Steve Bannon, everybody.

00:31:34.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:31:35.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:31:38.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - December 21, 2024

Steve Bannon Holds Nothing Back — Exclusive Interview at AmFest2024

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