The Charlie Kirk Show - Steve Bannon Lets Loose on the Deep State

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here live from the Bitcoin.com studio.

00:00:04.000 Steve Bannon joins the show as we talk about the deep state, the administrative state, and Epstein as well.

00:00:10.000 Mind you, the DOJ has moved to unseal the Epstein documents, so that is just a little bit of an update, but I think you'll really enjoy this conversation.

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00:01:26.000 Bring in the legendary, I think he just arrived, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:01:31.000 Come on, Steve.

00:01:32.000 Thank you.

00:01:46.000 Steve, thanks for doing this, man.

00:01:49.000 It's my favorite part.

00:01:51.000 It's my favorite part of the turning point experience, except for our live broadcasts and the speech.

00:01:58.000 You know, I got to tell you, Steve, you've become this, it's like it's the exactly.

00:02:04.000 Outside of walking through the halls and using the rest of the world.

00:02:06.000 Oh, no, I love it.

00:02:07.000 Thank you.

00:02:07.000 Your folks always ask great questions.

00:02:09.000 No, but you become this essential link in the turning point ecosystem.

00:02:13.000 Bringing war room, bringing this populist nationalism.

00:02:16.000 So it's awesome, and thank you for that.

00:02:21.000 You've done such a great job with this.

00:02:24.000 I waver a little bit.

00:02:25.000 No, you don't waver.

00:02:26.000 You just need some mid-course guidance every now and then.

00:02:29.000 Charlie, what in the hell are we doing here?

00:02:30.000 Exactly.

00:02:31.000 No.

00:02:31.000 Steve sends me these texts, and they're the greatest.

00:02:34.000 And let's just say it has some little salty language in it.

00:02:37.000 A little heat on it.

00:02:38.000 Little heat.

00:02:39.000 Steve, so you sent a text to me recently.

00:02:39.000 A little heat.

00:02:43.000 You said you're pretty fired up, and you're actually pretty positive because this will determine whether or not we're a movement or not.

00:02:48.000 Yeah.

00:02:49.000 Can you elaborate on it?

00:02:50.000 I think it's an incredibly profound point.

00:02:52.000 Megan Kelly said it, and we played it in the cold open today.

00:02:55.000 I think she said it very powerfully.

00:02:56.000 By the way, last night, I think we'll go down in our movement's history.

00:03:00.000 It's one of the most important nights.

00:03:01.000 I mean, we started at War Room.

00:03:03.000 It was shot her around the world.

00:03:05.000 Every segment of War Room went viral with you, me, and Pasovic.

00:03:09.000 And then last night to have Laura Ingram, Megan Kelly, Tucker Carlson, others, and yourself shot herd around the world.

00:03:19.000 And of course, it was, it's incredible.

00:03:22.000 Megan said something very powerful.

00:03:23.000 She said, it's a time for choosing.

00:03:26.000 Going back to Reagan's famous 1964 speech in support.

00:03:33.000 Well, no, it was actually made for TV in support.

00:03:36.000 It was in the fall.

00:03:37.000 It was very late.

00:03:37.000 It was in October.

00:03:38.000 In October 1964 for Barry Goldwater.

00:03:40.000 He made this thing, a time for choosing, very, you know, it was very highly stylized, magnificent speech.

00:03:48.000 They already knew Goldwater was probably going to lose by a landslide, but they were making the case for a time for choosing about ourselves in relation to the communists, because that's what we're getting on Goldwater most about.

00:04:00.000 He was so hardcore about taking down communism.

00:04:04.000 That speech was in October of 1964.

00:04:07.000 Goldwater would go on to lose in the biggest landslide in history at that time.

00:04:13.000 25 years later, almost to the week, the Berlin Wall fell.

00:04:19.000 So it took them, they had to go through a lot.

00:04:22.000 Reagan lost a primary to Jerry Ford, came back, won, but taking down the evil empire, Tanaman Square happened in June of 1989, and the Berlin Wall fell in November of 1989.

00:04:35.000 We had the same time for choosing right here.

00:04:38.000 That's why Megan said it was very powerful.

00:04:40.000 We know as a movement we can win elections, right?

00:04:44.000 We've won three of them in a row.

00:04:47.000 16, 2020, it's going to come.

00:04:50.000 Look, it's going to come out when they do things.

00:04:53.000 There's people looking into it.

00:04:54.000 There's going to be people who are going to look into it.

00:04:56.000 I think the special prosecutor that's going to be announced is going to go back through the whole history.

00:04:59.000 I talked to the president about it.

00:05:00.000 He's still very focused.

00:05:01.000 Very focused on it.

00:05:02.000 You have to be.

00:05:02.000 They're going to start with Crossfire Hurricane, but they're going to go up to this.

00:05:06.000 We know we can win elections.

00:05:07.000 We know we can win national elections.

00:05:09.000 And in 24, we know we can win national elections.

00:05:11.000 The popular vote, we win it big.

00:05:14.000 But do we actually govern?

00:05:17.000 You have to ask yourself the question, do we actually govern?

00:05:20.000 Is there an apparatus that's bigger than this kind of democratic process that's laid on to a constitutional republic, right, of our founders and revolutionary generation set up?

00:05:33.000 Do we actually govern?

00:05:34.000 I would argue we don't, right?

00:05:36.000 Yet.

00:05:37.000 Well, this is the point.

00:05:39.000 I kind of call them the Tampa Resolves.

00:05:42.000 Remember, they had the resolves before in the run-up to the Declaration of Independence.

00:05:49.000 The first resolve is very simple.

00:05:51.000 We have to destroy the deep state for the American people to be free.

00:05:55.000 Full stop.

00:05:55.000 Right?

00:05:57.000 Number two, the second resolve, it's our responsibility.

00:06:03.000 The deep state does not have the consent of the government of the American people.

00:06:06.000 Therefore, it's the duty, responsibility, and sacred duty of the American people to destroy it. 0.50

00:06:12.000 Nobody else.

00:06:12.000 Right?

00:06:14.000 Only us.

00:06:16.000 And the third, and I think the most important for this moment, on this crusade, you're either with us or you're again us.

00:06:25.000 There's no neutrality.

00:06:26.000 If you're not with us, you are against us.

00:06:28.000 There's no neutrality.

00:06:29.000 It's not like the Revolutionary War where a third can kind of sit on the sidelines.

00:06:34.000 Everybody has to be committed to this.

00:06:36.000 If you're not committed to this, then you're an enemy.

00:06:40.000 You're an enemy because you're siding with the deep state.

00:06:43.000 Everything else, and let me be very specific.

00:06:46.000 Everything you fought for this week, we have an NDAA for a trillion-dollar defense budget being marked up by the Senate in secret.

00:06:55.000 Josh Hawley says the rest of the senators don't know what's going on.

00:06:57.000 They're taking secret votes.

00:06:59.000 We do know they leaked that they're having $500 million a year for the next three years in arms just given to Ukraine.

00:07:07.000 $1.5 billion in new armaments given to Ukraine for another big announcement of the Ukraine war.

00:07:14.000 We're inexorably getting drawn into a conflict in Ukraine, a shooting war in Ukraine.

00:07:20.000 We know that we still don't understand how we got into the shooting war in Iran.

00:07:24.000 We still don't know the intelligence about that.

00:07:27.000 They've talked last night about, I guess, a soft amnesty.

00:07:30.000 I guess Christy Noam will explain that.

00:07:31.000 Everything you fought for and everything that you thought you won, it gets twisted.

00:07:37.000 Well, how does that get twisted?

00:07:38.000 We know we have these radical Democrats, these basic neo-Confederates, and people aren't paying enough attention to it because the media is not because we're all over on these international conflicts.

00:07:48.000 In Los Angeles, in Chicago, in New York, right now, we don't have control of those cities.

00:07:54.000 They are basically being run by neo-Confederates that are sitting there saying, hey, we will protect illegal aliens.

00:08:00.000 And in fact, we will fire upon federal officers.

00:08:02.000 What happened in California the other day?

00:08:04.000 We'll fire upon federal officers to do that, to protect illegal aliens. 0.97

00:08:09.000 So the country is in turmoil, but it's a turmoil that I think is positive in the fact that the deep state and the radical kind of this combination, this red-green alliance between radical neo-Marxist ideology and this Islamic fascism, which you see is going to win the election in New York City. 0.92

00:08:30.000 It's going to win the election.

00:08:31.000 It's a heavy favorite.

00:08:32.000 I've argued for years.

00:08:34.000 I said this at the December 4 conference, if you don't like populist nationalism, Yeah, we'll work with you.

00:08:40.000 You're going to get another alternative, and that's Luigi Mangioni.

00:08:44.000 100%.

00:08:45.000 Or all these guys are right now is a nicer version of Luigi.

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00:08:56.000 They'll have shooting exercises.

00:08:58.000 Absolutely.

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00:09:00.000 And we don't seek to do that on our side.

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00:09:10.000 We actually love markets and entrepreneurs and owning stuff.

00:09:12.000 They only love it.

00:09:13.000 Entrepreneur capitalism, not state capitalism.

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00:10:13.000 Because I mean, this is, I don't mean to interrupt you, Steve.

00:10:16.000 No, go ahead.

00:10:16.000 But this is your experience.

00:10:17.000 You've been on War Room before.

00:10:18.000 You got to grab the money.

00:10:20.000 If you want it, if your idea is good enough, grab the money.

00:10:22.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, back it up, back it up.

00:10:24.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:10:25.000 That's the Steve's threshold, right?

00:10:26.000 Hang on, hang on.

00:10:27.000 Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.

00:10:30.000 So, and no, we don't have a Mike Lindell pillow break right in the middle, right?

00:10:35.000 Hold that thought, Charlie.

00:10:36.000 Let's go to Mike Lindell.

00:10:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:38.000 Sell me a set of sheets.

00:10:39.000 Yeah, exactly, in the back of a car, right?

00:10:42.000 Steve, but all this excites you.

00:10:46.000 This is now in existential terms.

00:10:47.000 Yes.

00:10:48.000 Because we're going to see if this movement's real or not.

00:10:51.000 We've won national elections, and now we have to do something harder.

00:10:55.000 We actually have to dig out the embedded deep state that's taken over institutions.

00:11:00.000 This thing about the Epstein.

00:11:02.000 Epstein, yes, all the information has to come out.

00:11:05.000 I think what you're going to find and be shocked about, it's not just individuals.

00:11:09.000 You're going to see institution, financial, industrial, corporate, intelligence, government apparatuses, institutions.

00:11:17.000 This is institutional rot.

00:11:18.000 It's just not individual, the perversions or the shortcomings of individuals.

00:11:24.000 You're going to see that it's actually institutions.

00:11:26.000 That's what we have to do.

00:11:27.000 This work is far harder than the previous work we've had to do, which is winning elections, which is you folks are doing the precinct strategy and people have been out there knocking our doors.

00:11:36.000 That's hard enough.

00:11:37.000 This is harder.

00:11:38.000 And say, well, what do we have to do?

00:11:39.000 We have to be relentless now in being all over our elected officials on the executive branch, the House.

00:11:47.000 We've got to get in there about cutting budgets.

00:11:49.000 You know, the Supreme Court's backed us up.

00:11:51.000 They said, hey, if you want to take down the administrative state, go for it.

00:11:55.000 You can start having mass layoffs.

00:11:56.000 We have to make sure, and to me, $1,300 at the State Department is maybe a good afternoon's work.

00:12:02.000 But we need the State Department to cut in half.

00:12:05.000 We need a CIA.

00:12:05.000 We need cleansing.

00:12:07.000 We need a purge.

00:12:08.000 Let's use that word to light them up back there in the middle.

00:12:11.000 But the Epstein thing is you think that is an entry point into something.

00:12:15.000 He's the key that picks the lock.

00:12:16.000 That's why it has to be included.

00:12:19.000 If they announce a special prosecutor for Crossfire Hurricane and everything that came forward, I think it will include the election of 2020.

00:12:26.000 I think it will include January 6th.

00:12:28.000 I think there will be other elements in there of what Brennan and these guys have done.

00:12:31.000 When we announce this special prosecutor to start to go through everything, the stolen election, because remember, they try to nullify the 16 elections.

00:12:40.000 That's number one.

00:12:41.000 They tried to stop the 16 election in the summer of 16 with crossfire hurricane.

00:12:45.000 Then they tried to nullify it by saying that was the Russia hoax.

00:12:49.000 So he's going to get prosecuted on that.

00:12:52.000 Let's go through all of that.

00:12:53.000 Then you've got the stolen 2020 election, right?

00:12:56.000 Let's go through all of that.

00:12:57.000 Then we have J6.

00:12:58.000 Let's go through all that.

00:12:59.000 You've got plenty.

00:13:00.000 this special prosecutor can have as big a staff as possible.

00:13:04.000 If this is true, if it's radical left, let's then show that and show how the left came up with these files and let's get it out there so people can judge it.

00:13:13.000 I agree completely.

00:13:17.000 Okay, this is my point about these resolves.

00:13:20.000 You're going to have to have our backs because, as you can tell, there's going to be a little headwind on this, right?

00:13:26.000 President Trump, when he's made his mind up, he's made his mind up, right?

00:13:30.000 My fear is that we're on a roll right now.

00:13:32.000 We're bringing in new people to this movement, you know, African-American men, Hispanics.

00:13:36.000 We got as hard a time as I have living with them, the boleguards, right? 1.00

00:13:42.000 Which is a whole new thing.

00:13:42.000 It's good.

00:13:43.000 If it brings you votes and it allows you to get to power, you got to manage it, like, you know, FDR managed his coalition.

00:13:50.000 However, if certain core structural items are not dealt with, and this is a structural item that's been around forever, people have worked hard, and these are our best people.

00:14:02.000 These are the ones that knock on doors.

00:14:03.000 These are the ones that are precinct committee men.

00:14:06.000 These are the ones that come to the turning point conferences twice a year.

00:14:09.000 These are our workers.

00:14:11.000 This is the best of the best.

00:14:13.000 This is the hardest.

00:14:13.000 These are people that I would tell the president in January and February and March of 2021, when Rupert Murdoch was sending memos out to his staff saying they're going to make you a non-person, these are the people that stood in the breach to make sure that you had an apparatus.

00:14:28.000 If you decided to run again, understanding everything they're going to do to you, you had that apparatus.

00:14:36.000 We kept it.

00:14:37.000 You guys did a great job.

00:14:37.000 Fantastic.

00:14:38.000 If we lose 2% or 3%, right, of our MAGA base, because these elections are so tight in the house.

00:14:46.000 Arizona, 10,000 votes, 20,000 votes.

00:14:49.000 By the way, as hard as you guys worked in Arizona, as hard as you worked in Pennsylvania, as hard as people worked in Michigan and in Wisconsin, these things are coming down to 10,000, 20,000 votes.

00:15:00.000 And principally, low-propensity, low-information voters.

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00:16:29.000 Who I don't want to lose, though, is the crypto bros that are 25 years old.

00:16:34.000 Low propensity, very cynical about government.

00:16:37.000 Transparency is their top issue.

00:16:40.000 We're at risk of losing.

00:16:41.000 And by losing, they're not going to become Dems.

00:16:43.000 They'll just disappear.

00:16:44.000 You brought up an incredibly important word, cynicism.

00:16:48.000 The one thing that the MAGA movement is not right now is cynical.

00:16:51.000 That can kill anybody. 0.94

00:16:52.000 No, but I'm saying if we don't pursue this to its logical conclusion and show everybody the information and show the interconnectivities, you know, Mike Benz, I think, is going to come out in the next couple of weeks with some amazing information.

00:17:05.000 If you don't show the interconnectivity, if you don't show who was financing Epstein, who he basically worked with.

00:17:11.000 Who do you think he worked with?

00:17:13.000 I think you're going to see a combination of financial institutions, intelligence agencies, both our intelligence agencies, other countries, other governments, corporations, not just individuals, lots of individuals, but I mean institutions.

00:17:27.000 And the institutions are where the power is.

00:17:29.000 And I think people are going to be shocked by it.

00:17:31.000 But you've got to go and take that to its logical conclusion.

00:17:34.000 Because if you don't, people are going to sit there.

00:17:37.000 Some of our movement's going to become cynical and go, just like the young people, are going to say, what is this all about?

00:17:41.000 I was promised this, I didn't get it.

00:17:43.000 This was central to my belief.

00:17:44.000 And maybe I'll hit them with a $10 bill.

00:17:47.000 And if necessary, I'll vote if it's important.

00:17:50.000 But I'm not going to ring doorbells.

00:17:51.000 I'm not going to walk precincts.

00:17:52.000 I'm not coming to a turning point.

00:17:53.000 I'm not going to be a force multiplier with the information.

00:17:56.000 If that happens, all of a sudden, the momentum we have stops.

00:18:00.000 And we have momentum right now.

00:18:02.000 I mean, you can see this in the conferences.

00:18:04.000 Every conference is bigger.

00:18:05.000 This is the first conference I've been to that there's kind of turmoil.

00:18:09.000 Everything else has been united, and we've been driving to, you know, we've been driving to something important.

00:18:13.000 Last December was the new administration has come and we had this amazing victory.

00:18:18.000 The one before is how do we have the victory?

00:18:20.000 Everything is to go to the next step, take the next step.

00:18:22.000 And we wouldn't have expected this.

00:18:23.000 This is kind of all thrust upon us this week at this point.

00:18:26.000 Well, it's all thrust upon us this week.

00:18:28.000 I mean, I think it's a fight we have to have about the deep state.

00:18:31.000 I think we've got to get on with it right now because you can change tax policy, you can do this, you can do that.

00:18:37.000 Still, if you still get continued to sucked into these wars, if you're still trying to be an empire spread all over the world, all over Hell's Half Acre, if you're still giving billions of dollars to Ukraine because the national debt doesn't mean anything, if you look at the entire resistance package we're trying to force through, that's up in a moment with the arms to Ukraine. 0.56

00:19:00.000 And there's talk that NATO's going to try to come up with a no-fly zone around Ukraine.

00:19:09.000 Enforced by us.

00:19:10.000 Well, enforced first by the European members of NATO.

00:19:14.000 But that'll quite quickly, it'll soon be us.

00:19:16.000 I'm sorry, the Dutch Air Force is not exactly legendary.

00:19:21.000 This is my point.

00:19:22.000 How did the no-fly zone work for us in Iraq?

00:19:22.000 God bless them.

00:19:24.000 How did that work out for us?

00:19:25.000 Yes, it ends up being us that has to enforce a no-fly zone.

00:19:28.000 We're inexorably, the biggest issue we should be debating here at this conference should not be Epstein.

00:19:34.000 It must be, but we should have been.

00:19:36.000 It's been thrown out of us.

00:19:37.000 It should have all been Ukraine. 1.00

00:19:38.000 We should have been how we're going to stop any more involvement in the Ukraine war, right?

00:19:43.000 Because Ukraine is also symbolic for stopping the deep state.

00:19:48.000 So, Steve.

00:19:49.000 By the way, President Trump just killed my speech.

00:19:51.000 I'll have to think of something.

00:19:53.000 I'll have to accommodate the truth social.

00:19:55.000 What are you going to say now?

00:19:57.000 You've got to.

00:20:00.000 What were you going to say?

00:20:03.000 I was going to talk about time for choosing the resolves.

00:20:05.000 I still am, but I'm going to interweave it with President Trump.

00:20:08.000 Obviously, we've had tremendous wins.

00:20:11.000 I mean, we've had more wins.

00:20:12.000 If you look at the first six months, if you started back in January, I think we've had more wins.

00:20:16.000 Now, obviously, there's some things that are surprising people, like this new out of nowhere, this kind of amnesty situation with the farm workers, right?

00:20:26.000 There's obviously this thing with Epstein.

00:20:30.000 There's other things, some of the big, beautiful bill.

00:20:32.000 You know, it's not a perfect world.

00:20:34.000 But I think right now, given the momentum we had and some of the big wins we had, understanding we're going to 26 and we've got to keep, because five seats, six seats, President Trump's going to be impeached.

00:20:45.000 And these guys are so vicious, people are not focused on the Democrats.

00:20:49.000 Hakeem Jeffrey is kind of considered irrelevant.

00:20:52.000 Zorhan in New York City, the Working Family Party and the DSA, which are very powerful on ground.

00:20:58.000 Source has given them $37 million, and they own the streets.

00:21:03.000 They own the amount of people that turn out, you know, turn out 10,000 people in Brooklyn to Canvas is a big deal.

00:21:10.000 They do it all the time.

00:21:11.000 So I think that we have to come out here with a rallying cry of action that we're going to take.

00:21:15.000 And I hope that we focus around we've got to take on the deep state and quite frankly, have to work with President Trump and the team and cash and these guys.

00:21:24.000 Because cash, remember the whole profile before, we were going to take on the deep state.

00:21:28.000 Now we're back to arresting bad guys.

00:21:30.000 Certainly we've got to arrest bad guys, although I would like to do that with an FBI that's half the size and a CIA that's half the size.

00:21:37.000 And I think if we don't get to those, that we failed in our mission.

00:21:43.000 If Dan leaves, does that I think it would send a signal to the bay.

00:21:47.000 I don't think that will be I mean, I think people love Dan, but if we can't get Dan to make it happen at the FBI, what does that mean?

00:21:56.000 Well, I don't think he'd be leaving.

00:22:00.000 Here's what's so bizarre about this.

00:22:01.000 I'm pretty sure Dan drafted that memo, right?

00:22:05.000 It seems like it's not written by a lawyer.

00:22:08.000 So I assume it's not cash.

00:22:09.000 It may be a cash in Dan.

00:22:11.000 I think in their own minds they felt by putting that out, it was going to put everything to bed.

00:22:15.000 It couldn't have been farther from the truth, right?

00:22:17.000 Because if you read the memo, it's...

00:22:19.000 The accelerant, exactly.

00:22:22.000 It was a little flame.

00:22:22.000 No one was talking about Epstein a week ago.

00:22:26.000 Yeah.

00:22:27.000 Look, he may not come back to work.

00:22:29.000 He may say, hey, I'm out and solve it that way.

00:22:31.000 You have to get a new deputy.

00:22:32.000 But it clearly is a speed bump for the Trump administration.

00:22:38.000 And I think it speaks to deeper issues that have to be addressed.

00:22:42.000 We just can't look these away.

00:22:44.000 Because, look, I'm a big believer in President Trump in 2028, but there's going to be some point in time you're not going to have President Trump, right?

00:22:50.000 So you're going to have to start to dig down on this apparatus because this apparatus has no interest in tossing the keys over to you.

00:23:01.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

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00:24:03.000 Let's do a couple questions really quick of people that have not yet asked questions.

00:24:06.000 If you have not asked a question, okay?

00:24:08.000 And then Steve, we got to get you on stage.

00:24:11.000 So I'm ready.

00:24:12.000 Do we have a mic runner?

00:24:14.000 If not, yeah.

00:24:17.000 Hello, Ms. This question is for Mr. Van and Mr. Kirk.

00:24:22.000 Yes.

00:24:22.000 I'm James.

00:24:23.000 I'm from the great state of Texas.

00:24:25.000 My question is, what advice do you have for a young conservative who wants to run for Congress in six to ten years?

00:24:32.000 I am currently 18.

00:24:33.000 I'm about to be 19 in two days.

00:24:35.000 And I am super excited to be an elected member of the movement pretty soon.

00:24:42.000 You want to run for Congress in six to eight years?

00:24:44.000 Yes, sir.

00:24:45.000 And how old are you?

00:24:46.000 18, about to be 19 in two days.

00:24:48.000 Are you still in high school?

00:24:50.000 No, in college.

00:24:51.000 At what year?

00:24:51.000 In college?

00:24:53.000 I'm about to be a junior.

00:24:55.000 At 18?

00:24:56.000 Yes, sir.

00:24:57.000 You accelerated through high school, correct?

00:25:00.000 I did college courses while in high school.

00:25:03.000 My strongest recommendation is to volunteer and join the military.

00:25:03.000 Perfect.

00:25:08.000 Pick your service, Marine Corps, Navy, Army.

00:25:11.000 Go if you want to.

00:25:13.000 If EPAC Seth's doing great.

00:25:15.000 If you want to, that's one of the things I'm proud of most.

00:25:18.000 She went in.

00:25:19.000 She volunteered when Obama was president.

00:25:23.000 Think about that, sending your daughter over to Iraq with Obama as commander-in-chief and Biden cutting the deal.

00:25:29.000 No, my strongest recommendation is join the military.

00:25:31.000 Military, at your age, is about formation.

00:25:34.000 The military will send you places.

00:25:36.000 First of all, it'll test you in ways you never thought you could be tested, not just physically, but mentally, morally.

00:25:42.000 You'll find out how courageous you are, how you handle fear, how you handle uncertainty.

00:25:49.000 First of all, it'll send you so far away from home, you'll sit there and go, why in the hell did I sign up for this, right?

00:25:53.000 I'm so far away from home.

00:25:55.000 But like the T.S. Eliot poem says, you'll learn so much about yourself when you return home, you'll understand it for the first time, yourself in your home.

00:26:04.000 So there's nothing better.

00:26:07.000 I can tell you to go join campaigns in the US, but you can do all that later.

00:26:10.000 There's a block of time.

00:26:11.000 When you're a piece of advice.

00:26:12.000 It's a block of time when you're young that in that decade of your 20s to actually get as many experiences throughout the world to test yourself as you're never going to be tested.

00:26:23.000 That formation, coupled with what your parents did, will last you for the rest of your life.

00:26:28.000 It will be the foundation.

00:26:28.000 Steve, can you just talk me, you were on the ship in the Persian?

00:26:32.000 Persian, yeah, North Arabian Sea.

00:26:34.000 That was the best part of your life, right?

00:26:35.000 Yeah, the eight years I spent, well, the four years at sea was the best.

00:26:38.000 It was the best thing I ever had.

00:26:41.000 A veteran, thank you for your service.

00:26:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:26:44.000 By the way, anytime you thank a veteran of service, remember, just serving our country was thanks enough.

00:26:51.000 It's the best thing you'll look for.

00:26:53.000 So if you want to be in Congress, plus you'll have a perspective of what's going on.

00:26:58.000 So that's my strongest recommendation.

00:26:59.000 And I don't have a second recommendation.

00:27:00.000 It's a great piece of advice.

00:27:01.000 No, it is.

00:27:02.000 Especially with this new military.

00:27:03.000 You could travel the world, learn about yourself.

00:27:05.000 It would be phenomenal.

00:27:06.000 Really appreciate it.

00:27:06.000 Thank you, men.

00:27:07.000 Mr. Kirk, you have anything else?

00:27:09.000 I like Steve's advice a lot.

00:27:11.000 Join the military.

00:27:12.000 Well, thank you.

00:27:13.000 If you're all the veterans, thank you very much.

00:27:15.000 Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

00:27:16.000 Thank you, thank you.

00:27:20.000 Hi, I'm Will.

00:27:21.000 I'm 13, and I'm from the okay state of Wisconsin.

00:27:25.000 Were you the one at our show the other day that gave that great answer?

00:27:28.000 I was.

00:27:29.000 Okay.

00:27:30.000 The one without parental supervision.

00:27:35.000 So my question is.

00:27:38.000 Will, you know, I don't work with dogs and kids for a reason.

00:27:42.000 But continue on.

00:27:43.000 You were great as continue on, young man.

00:27:47.000 So, Charlie, I'd like to thank you for my reading list.

00:27:51.000 I'm reading Victor Frankl's Man's Search for.

00:27:54.000 That book will change your life, right?

00:27:56.000 It's a big one.

00:27:57.000 Wow.

00:27:58.000 I read it over the plane ride.

00:27:59.000 It was very good.

00:28:00.000 And I was So I do like debating people.

00:28:08.000 And so one of the best debate tactics is, I guess, learning about the other side.

00:28:13.000 Do you have any recommendations how I should learn about that and then apply that to the next one?

00:28:19.000 That's a good question.

00:28:22.000 I'd say once you graduate, first of all, a really good way to learn about the other side and where it's heading, there is no better book fictionally to read than 1984.

00:28:30.000 It captures technological totalitarianism in a very entertaining way.

00:28:37.000 I think 84 is phenomenal.

00:28:38.000 Orwell was on to the death of truth, power dynamics, technological tyranny.

00:28:44.000 Brave New World is also awesome.

00:28:45.000 Right.

00:28:45.000 Perfect.

00:28:46.000 So instead of, I could recommend a bunch of their literature like the Communist Manifesto.

00:28:50.000 No, no.

00:28:51.000 Instead, I would recommend to you read the author.

00:28:55.000 There are five authors that wrote simultaneously, and they all knew each other.

00:28:58.000 And they all wrote about other topics, but they all wrote about post-World War II totalitarianism.

00:29:03.000 It was Churchill, Huxley, Kessler, Orwell, and Lewis, C.S. Lewis.

00:29:10.000 Yeah, Darkness at Noon is amazing.

00:29:10.000 Darkness at Noon.

00:29:12.000 So I'll send you the list.

00:29:13.000 It's at CharlieKirk.com.

00:29:13.000 Don't worry.

00:29:15.000 But I encourage you to read the fictional elements of these guys because, look, Orwell, he could have written an essay about totalitarianism, and no one would really remember it.

00:29:22.000 But 84, everyone knows.

00:29:25.000 And Brave New World, you agree?

00:29:26.000 Perfect.

00:29:27.000 Yeah, Huxley's amazing.

00:29:28.000 I actually like Brave New World actually even better than 1984.

00:29:31.000 I love 1984.

00:29:32.000 Plus Animal Farm.

00:29:33.000 What town are you from?

00:29:34.000 Where do you live?

00:29:35.000 I'm from Pewaukee.

00:29:37.000 From where?

00:29:38.000 Pewaukee.

00:29:38.000 It's pretty red.

00:29:39.000 And where is that?

00:29:41.000 It's SmackDown, Wisconsin.

00:29:43.000 It's Wincosta?

00:29:44.000 Do you have a hometown newspaper?

00:29:44.000 Okay.

00:29:48.000 That's such a good edition.

00:29:49.000 That's not a trick question.

00:29:51.000 No, that's a reason that you should.

00:29:52.000 No, that's a great question.

00:29:53.000 You should get your parents, or you should take part of your allowance, or if you're grass-cutting, subscribe to your local paper.

00:29:58.000 You should read your local paper, the print edition.

00:30:00.000 That's great advice.

00:30:01.000 The print edition.

00:30:02.000 Not the online.

00:30:03.000 Read the print edition every day.

00:30:05.000 You carry that around all the time, Steve.

00:30:07.000 All the time, why?

00:30:08.000 Because the only other person I know that reads more print newspapers than Stephen K. Bennett is Donald Trump.

00:30:13.000 I read them every day, too.

00:30:15.000 Donald Trump reads the New York Times, the New York Post, the Wall Street Journal, the Financial Times, and the Washington Post cover to cover, every day, including the editorials, which were very few people.

00:30:25.000 And he marks them up for you and sends them to you.

00:30:27.000 A print newspaper is still the best way to get information.

00:30:30.000 If you want to learn how to debate, you've got to know the world.

00:30:33.000 The best way to know the world is to read your local paper.

00:30:36.000 And I'm going to give you another hint, being a paper boy.

00:30:38.000 When you get your local paper, like my mom used to do, put the front section away and go to the metro section.

00:30:44.000 That's where all the great dirt is.

00:30:46.000 So you read the metro section, read the metro section, and you will start to become so much smarter than the kids that are just academically debating.

00:30:54.000 It'll be common sense and street smart.

00:30:56.000 Really quick, last question.

00:30:58.000 We got to welcome Secretary Num.

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00:31:10.000 Last question, ma'am, then we have Christy Num.

00:31:11.000 Hi, thank you.

00:31:12.000 I'm a precinct strategy person.

00:31:14.000 I'm a precinct committee woman in Naples, Florida.

00:31:18.000 What I've learned, not just through that, but through other ways, is that getting a good candidate to run for an office and getting them backing before even the primary takes part takes place is impossible.

00:31:33.000 Like, how are we going to get good candidates to run for even the basic local races to then move up if everything seems to be rigged at every level?

00:31:47.000 That's what's the time to choose.

00:31:48.000 It's a gut check.

00:31:49.000 Remember, if we don't do it now, and that's why it's so important the young people are here, if we don't do it now against what you're saying, it's so overwhelming.

00:31:58.000 The concentration of power in these industries is so much worse than even in 2017.

00:32:04.000 It looks like the odds are stacked against us.

00:32:06.000 However, because your precinct strategy worked, we won in 2024.

00:32:11.000 Remember, on the morning of the election, MSNBC and all these guys in 2024, they're all laughing.

00:32:18.000 They think that Kamala Harris is going to win.

00:32:21.000 Up until about seven or eight o'clock at night, when the exit polls started to confirm what was happening, that they really was going to lose.

00:32:29.000 That's because of you.

00:32:30.000 And no odds could seem longer than Donald Trump when Donald Trump left and went to Mar-a-Lago after the election was stolen and came back.

00:32:37.000 That's the longest odds in American history.

00:32:39.000 You accomplished that.

00:32:41.000 You've already had great victories, right?

00:32:44.000 Of course, and precinct strategy, I'll bet you 50% of the people that started out have left.

00:32:51.000 You know why?

00:32:51.000 Because the rhinos have sat there and made their lives miserable.

00:32:54.000 So we understand it's tough.

00:32:56.000 New people come on, but that's why you and people like you have got to continue to drive forward.

00:33:02.000 And yes, it's hard, and it looks thankless.

00:33:05.000 I know my sister says the worst thing I ever did is to entice her to go be a precinct committeeman, right?

00:33:12.000 So, but you're going to have to do it.

00:33:13.000 That's how we're going to want, if you, and you're emblematic of virtually everybody I talk to, if you sit there and go, it's too rigged, it's too hard, I can't do it, I've got to go do something else, I guarantee you this is going to be a totalitarian dictatorship in a very short period of time.

00:33:31.000 There's no greater gift you can give your children, your grandchildren, anything than the fight we have today.

00:33:36.000 That's why it's a time for choosing.

00:33:38.000 You could choose as a free man and woman, I can't do this anymore.

00:33:42.000 And if we do that, and that is a possibility that people are going to do, particularly with the information, with more true socials like that, maybe that's what happens.

00:33:50.000 That's why we got to hunker down.

00:33:53.000 Thank you so much.

00:33:54.000 Steve, you're a patriot and a great friend.

00:33:56.000 Give it up for Steve Bannon, everybody.

00:33:58.000 Thank you guys.

00:34:01.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:34:02.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:34:04.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - July 22, 2025

Steve Bannon Lets Loose on the Deep State

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