The Charlie Kirk Show - Sunday: "Women Will Follow Where Men Lead" — Charlie on the Man Rampant Podcast

00:00:03.000 My name is Charlie Kirk.

00:00:05.000 I run the largest pro-American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic.

00:00:11.000 My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth.

00:00:14.000 If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable.

00:00:19.000 But if the most important thing is doing good, you'll end up purposeful.

00:00:24.000 College is a scam, everybody.

00:00:26.000 You got to stop sending your kids to college.

00:00:27.000 You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible.

00:00:31.000 Go start a Turning Point USA college chapter.

00:00:33.000 Go start a Turning Point USA high school chapter.

00:00:35.000 Go find out how your church can get involved.

00:00:37.000 Sign up and become an activist.

00:00:39.000 I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade.

00:00:41.000 Most important decision I ever made in my life.

00:00:43.000 And I encourage you to do the same.

00:00:45.000 Here I am.

00:00:46.000 Lord, use me.

00:00:48.000 Buckle up, everybody.

00:00:49.000 Here we go.

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00:01:12.000 Welcome to Man Rampant.

00:01:13.000 It's wonderful to have this episode with Charlie Kirk.

00:01:17.000 Charlie Kirk is the CEO and founder of Turning Point USA and chief cook and bottle washer there.

00:01:23.000 That is right.

00:01:24.000 That's right.

00:01:26.000 Let's start with that.

00:01:28.000 How did you become conservative?

00:01:31.000 Did you have a conversion experience to conservatism on the Damascus Road?

00:01:36.000 Or did you grow up into it organically?

00:01:39.000 It started, well, I was a Christian first.

00:01:41.000 I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade.

00:01:43.000 Grew up in the suburbs of Chicago, Illinois.

00:01:46.000 As a side note, fun thing about being from Illinois is we have term limits in Illinois, a little different than most states.

00:01:51.000 It's one term in office, one term in jail for our politicians.

00:01:55.000 And so, but no, in fifth grade, I made the most important decision of my life.

00:01:59.000 I made Jesus Christ the chairman of the board of my life and welcomed them into my life.

00:02:04.000 And every decision from there was always instructed by my faith.

00:02:08.000 I was always a conservative in the sense where I respected history.

00:02:12.000 I thought that liberal ideas would always go too far.

00:02:15.000 Mind you, I was young.

00:02:16.000 I was fifth, sixth, seventh grade.

00:02:17.000 But as I grew and I started to study more, I grew very passionate about these ideas.

00:02:22.000 So when I was in high school, Obama really kind of came onto the scene from Chicago.

00:02:27.000 That was a very big deal to kind of be, to see Chicago's own Obama kind of rise to fame and rise to stardom.

00:02:34.000 I was a contrarian voice to that throughout high school and, you know, graduated high school.

00:02:40.000 I was going to go to West Point and didn't get in.

00:02:42.000 I convinced my parents to let me take a gap year.

00:02:45.000 It's been 13 gap years.

00:02:48.000 And the only campuses I visit are like Washington State University down the street.

00:02:52.000 That's why I'm dressed down, by the way, everybody.

00:02:54.000 I just did three and a half hours at Washington State.

00:02:57.000 Literally, we just ended like 20 minutes ago.

00:02:59.000 So excuse my casual dress.

00:03:01.000 And simply put, I visit college campuses, so you don't have to.

00:03:07.000 Very good.

00:03:08.000 So how did Turning Point start?

00:03:11.000 Really, it started at first diagnosing a problem.

00:03:14.000 So as a senior in high school leading into my first year at Turning Point USA, I saw that young people were going very much in the liberal direction, nothing new, but so dramatically that there was not a counter opinion or a counterpoint ever presented.

00:03:28.000 And I had this crazy idea that conservatism can be spread and communicated in a much more appealing way than it otherwise has been, especially on college campuses.

00:03:39.000 And I would go to campuses in 2013, 14, 15 with no money, no connections, no idea what I was doing, with literally just a card table, just arguing with kids, no film crew, just like arguing with kids.

00:03:52.000 And I would get like one kid, you know, that I would find a conservative.

00:03:55.000 We'd start a turning point group from that.

00:03:57.000 So it's like pure grassroots, right?

00:03:59.000 I mean, it wasn't as if I was selected for this or there was some committee that thought it'd be a good idea.

00:04:04.000 It was gritty.

00:04:05.000 It was very hard to convince people of this.

00:04:07.000 I'm an entrepreneur.

00:04:09.000 And thanks to the Lord's blessing and his providence and his grace, we started to see it grow and we started to see it start to gain some traction.

00:04:17.000 Met then businessman Donald Trump in 2016.

00:04:20.000 We became friends, got to know his son.

00:04:22.000 Obviously, he won in 2017.

00:04:25.000 We started to continue to grow as these campuses became more and more Marxist secular islands of totalitarianism, quite honestly.

00:04:34.000 And, you know, at Turning Point USA was kind of standing against it.

00:04:37.000 And then this last two years was just God's really his greatest blessing to us.

00:04:42.000 I believe we stepped up for the moment.

00:04:45.000 Really, there were very few people that were willing to stand by President Trump when all that was happening, the indictments and all kind of the law fair around him.

00:04:53.000 Especially no one thought that young people could move in President Trump's direction.

00:04:58.000 That was incredibly contrarian.

00:05:01.000 And so we first kind of stepped up to bat just out of loyalty.

00:05:05.000 And I said, look, the president's been a friend.

00:05:06.000 He's had our back.

00:05:08.000 He's been treated terribly.

00:05:10.000 We're going to try to organize young people for him because that's what we do.

00:05:13.000 And we started to see something.

00:05:15.000 And I know you want to talk about this throughout the discussion.

00:05:17.000 About a year and a half ago, two years ago, where all of a sudden the crowds on campuses weren't just growing.

00:05:24.000 They were more diverse.

00:05:26.000 And they were very masculine of guys that were otherwise not politically affiliated at all.

00:05:31.000 We started to see this young male undercurrent of they were thirsting and they were hungering for a different cultural, political, and eventually theological and spiritual perspective.

00:05:42.000 And yeah, look, long story short, glory be to God, we did 55 campus stops myself personally over the span of 14 months.

00:05:50.000 We reached over 3 billion people on social media.

00:05:52.000 Maybe you've seen the videos on TikTok, Instagram, X, and YouTube.

00:05:56.000 Polling, independent and liberal polling shows that our organization was the most consequential in moving young people's opinion.

00:06:04.000 And of every demographic group, baby boomers actually went three points more in Kamala Harris's direction. 0.93

00:06:10.000 Younger voters over 20 points in Donald Trump's direction in November.

00:06:14.000 And praise God that we were able to play a small role getting him back in the White House.

00:06:19.000 So your approach from right now to high school on, right?

00:06:24.000 Were you self-consciously building an organization or were you just you and your card table?

00:06:29.000 Yeah, it was card table.

00:06:30.000 I mean, I had to learn kind of what credit and debit was.

00:06:33.000 I had to learn how to write a check.

00:06:34.000 I mean, and I tell this to young entrepreneurs all the time, that it's okay if you don't even know what you're doing.

00:06:40.000 In fact, it's actually better if you don't know what you're doing because then there's nothing to unlearn.

00:06:44.000 And that's really important, by the way.

00:06:47.000 And college teaches you all this rubbish and this nonsense that you have to deprogram.

00:06:51.000 And so I had this passion and I had not just a passion.

00:06:54.000 I tell this young people all the time, don't just follow your passion.

00:06:58.000 Follow your passion and your skill.

00:07:00.000 So those two things.

00:07:01.000 So you have to find something you're good at that you enjoy doing.

00:07:05.000 Because if you just follow your passion, you can end up doing something you're honestly not very good at.

00:07:08.000 And by the way, the Bible tells us, do not follow your heart.

00:07:10.000 Bad idea.

00:07:11.000 Do not follow your heart.

00:07:13.000 Do not do that.

00:07:14.000 Multiple warnings.

00:07:15.000 Do not do that.

00:07:16.000 And so as an entrepreneur, I started to learn, oh, this is what a 501c3 organization is.

00:07:22.000 This is what a 501c4 organization is.

00:07:24.000 I can have employees.

00:07:25.000 That's amazing.

00:07:26.000 I mean, you start to learn this stuff.

00:07:28.000 And I have a lot of energy.

00:07:29.000 I always try to find problems and solve them.

00:07:32.000 And God just put so many people in our life at the right time where they were ultra generous, where they didn't have to be.

00:07:40.000 And they poured into us where it would have just defied human reason.

00:07:44.000 So there's several aspects to this.

00:07:47.000 You obviously believe in hard work, visiting all the campuses.

00:07:51.000 You can't just dial it in, right?

00:07:53.000 You've got to go.

00:07:54.000 You've got to talk to people, engage with people.

00:07:57.000 of obedience.

00:07:58.000 So there's that aspect of it.

00:08:01.000 Also, tell me about Turning Point's ground game.

00:08:06.000 Is that something you're committed to knocking on doors, talking to people?

00:08:10.000 What's your philosophy of the ground game?

00:08:12.000 Yeah, and so especially I live in Arizona.

00:08:15.000 I love Arizona.

00:08:16.000 It's a great state.

00:08:17.000 If you're ever there, come on by our headquarters.

00:08:18.000 We'd love to have you.

00:08:20.000 We were really bothered by what happened in the 2020 election that Donald Trump didn't get the electoral votes from Arizona.

00:08:26.000 So we said, hey, can we do the ground game better?

00:08:28.000 So we hired well over 1,000 full-time people on the ground in Arizona to do what we call ballot chasing, which is the grassroots grittiness hustlework of politics.

00:08:37.000 And it ended up working.

00:08:39.000 Donald Trump won Arizona by nearly 200,000 votes.

00:08:42.000 We moved younger voters in a great direction, but this just wasn't young voters.

00:08:46.000 It was also knocking on doors and chasing ballots of unaffiliated, low-propensity voters.

00:08:50.000 Welders, electricians, carpenters, firefighters, police officers. 0.98

00:08:54.000 And this is going to be a through line of our conversation.

00:08:57.000 We did something that the media thought was insane.

00:09:00.000 In fact, if you ever have spare time, you could look at all the articles attacking Turning Point about a year ago, making fun of our strategy.

00:09:08.000 You know what our strategy was?

00:09:09.000 We're going to win by finding millions of young men that have never voted before.

00:09:13.000 And the media said, that's insane.

00:09:15.000 Roe versus Wade was just repealed.

00:09:16.000 It's the year of the woman. 1.00

00:09:18.000 Women are going to rise up in big numbers. 1.00

00:09:19.000 We're like, eh, actually, we think men are going to shock the world. 0.99

00:09:23.000 How did I know that?

00:09:24.000 It's because I don't just view things through looking at data and looking at charts.

00:09:28.000 That's helpful.

00:09:29.000 I actually go to college campuses and talk to thousands of people, and I can see how they're processing information.

00:09:35.000 I can see as I'm dialoguing.

00:09:36.000 And I started to realize.

00:09:38.000 See who shows up.

00:09:39.000 See who shows up and see why they're showing up and what they're saying and how they're communicating.

00:09:43.000 And what I realized very quickly, we were a little head of the curve, is my goodness, there is a course correction of young men that want to resist and reject the hyper-feminine, dare I say, toxically feminine culture that has taken over Americans.

00:09:59.000 Go ahead and say that.

00:10:00.000 No, I, yes.

00:10:02.000 Toxically feminine. 1.00

00:10:04.000 And no, you're that kind of pastor.

00:10:07.000 I forgot.

00:10:09.000 I got to remind myself.

00:10:11.000 And so we seized on that in the best possible way and understand, of course, at its core is a spiritual problem.

00:10:20.000 And spiritual problems manifest themselves into cultural problems that then become political problems.

00:10:24.000 So it's kind of a three-pronged issue.

00:10:26.000 But of course, at the core, it's spiritual.

00:10:28.000 And so my critics say, oh, Charlie, you know, politics, waste of time.

00:10:32.000 You should only talk about the gospel.

00:10:33.000 Look, the gospel is the most important thing.

00:10:35.000 But you know how many people we have led to Christ by first talking politics?

00:10:39.000 Because the law is a school teacher to Christ, as it says in Galatians 3.

00:10:43.000 The law can show you towards Christ.

00:10:44.000 It's a guardian of Christ's message.

00:10:46.000 And I see this happen every day on campuses.

00:10:48.000 And so there's something very profound happening.

00:10:51.000 It's actually accelerating.

00:10:52.000 It's not slowing down.

00:10:53.000 Young men are becoming more and more conservative. 0.89

00:10:55.000 They're more and more hungry and thirsty to get involved in the local church.

00:10:59.000 We could talk about young women because they present an opportunity.

00:11:04.000 Let me put that mildly.

00:11:07.000 But I do believe women will follow if men lead.

00:11:09.000 Okay.

00:11:10.000 So in this, when you go out to these campuses, you said earlier that conservatives were not presenting.

00:11:21.000 Part of your motivation was that conservatives were not presenting the message in a way that was attractive or compelling.

00:11:30.000 But your style is confrontational, right?

00:11:34.000 Is there something, and mainstream or conservative Inc. believes in PR, believes in winsomeness, which translates into giving away the store, right?

00:11:49.000 How do you combine what's clearly an effective and winsome strategy that is simultaneously confrontational?

00:11:57.000 How do you do that?

00:11:58.000 That's a great question.

00:11:59.000 Look, I fail at this all the time.

00:12:01.000 I try to be better at it than not, which is how do I have love and truth on a college campus, have an open mic for kids that need to hear it.

00:12:10.000 And the honest truth is I try to do as Jesus did in the public square, which is to show mercy where appropriate, but also have uncompromising truth standards.

00:12:22.000 And so the old way of doing things on campuses, and this is where it's so wrong, and I can't believe I, for a short period of time, I used to believe it, and then I dismissed it, which is that, okay, kids are liberal, therefore we have to go present a more liberal message to them and water down our beliefs.

00:12:38.000 In reality, what they enjoy more than anything else is like the most provocative truth claim that you could say is like, men can't give birth.

00:12:47.000 Like, whoa, you can get 2,000 people into an auditorium for saying that, right?

00:12:53.000 What I'm getting at is that I'll give you an issue that I'm an unapologetic advocate of, despite the fact that I'm in the political minority, which is to fight for the unborn.

00:13:05.000 I am resolutely pro-life in every possible circumstance, and that's not popular.

00:13:10.000 But the crowds we draw around that is amazing.

00:13:14.000 And so I think to myself, I don't know if I would actually get as much attention if I was just kind of like an uncompromising squish, but like, well, I think it's just a woman's, you know, my body, my choice. 1.00

00:13:24.000 That's actually not that interesting because they could hear that from their local professor.

00:13:27.000 What all of a sudden gets their attention is like, did he just say that there should be no exceptions for abortion?

00:13:32.000 Tell me more.

00:13:33.000 Step up to the mic.

00:13:34.000 Tell me why you're wrong.

00:13:35.000 And then all of a sudden we can use the Socratic method to ask questions.

00:13:38.000 When does life begin?

00:13:39.000 What is the process of human development?

00:13:41.000 By what moral standard are you appealing to?

00:13:42.000 What is good?

00:13:43.000 What is evil?

00:13:44.000 You know, what is right?

00:13:45.000 Why is it bodily autonomy?

00:13:46.000 Why does the size, level, development, environment, or degree dependency of a baby matter of its moral worth?

00:13:51.000 And like, I've never heard this before.

00:13:52.000 And I don't want to try to brag too much on what we've kind of stumbled into here, but I think this is the direction that online content and young people are demanding.

00:14:02.000 Less kind of just like being in a studio reading a teleprompter and get out in the streets, find the best ideas, let them kind of confront each other, and let anybody say anything they want at any time.

00:14:14.000 And it's been an amazing success.

00:14:16.000 Praise the Lord.

00:14:17.000 C.S. Lewis observed somewhere, I forget where, that when unbelievers or atheists become Christians, they almost never become liberal Christians.

00:14:28.000 Right.

00:14:28.000 That's true.

00:14:31.000 They think something like, if I'm going to do something crazy, I'm going to go to the deep end.

00:14:37.000 I'm going to go to Christians, the kind of Christianity where they actually believe things.

00:14:43.000 And Eugene Genovese, who was a Marxist writer who became a Christian later, said that during his atheist days, he said, whenever I was in the presence of a liberal Christian, I always had that deep assured feeling that I was in the presence of a fellow unbeliever.

00:15:03.000 So if I'm going to ditch my unbelief, why would I move to a murky formula?

00:15:10.000 If I'm going to be a Christian, I want to be a Christian Christian.

00:15:13.000 And you've seen that play out, like the stark claims of Christ.

00:15:17.000 Absolutely.

00:15:18.000 And I just, we are seeing more interest for the gospel, more interest for spiritual things.

00:15:25.000 Because think about the world that so many of these kids at University of Idaho or Washington State were raised into just the last four years.

00:15:32.000 Every secular institution failed them and some religious, by the way, but every major power center has lied to them about almost everything that's involved them.

00:15:41.000 from COVID to the vaccine to mask mandates to the economy to speech to gender norms to sexuality.

00:15:50.000 So you have the most depressed, suicidal, alcohol-addicted generation history that is also the most secular.

00:15:56.000 Something here doesn't necessarily fit.

00:15:57.000 So all of a sudden there's this group of us, and I include you in this, Pastor, and I'm a big admirer of yours, that is speaking truth all of a sudden into this broken culture.

00:16:07.000 And they're like, I've never heard that.

00:16:09.000 That makes sense.

00:16:11.000 Because non-stop, they get this nonsense on campus.

00:16:15.000 And you have to wonder, like, why do they fight so hard?

00:16:17.000 There were tons of protests today, but there were even more supporters.

00:16:20.000 Understand, we had nearly 3,000 kids there today at Washington State University.

00:16:23.000 Don't believe me.

00:16:24.000 It was on.

00:16:25.000 Was anyone there, by the way?

00:16:26.000 Did anyone...

00:16:26.000 You double dippers.

00:16:29.000 We got super fans.

00:16:31.000 But it was a big crowd.

00:16:32.000 Wouldn't you agree, guys?

00:16:33.000 It was really big.

00:16:34.000 And so, that's funny.

00:16:38.000 There were protesters there the whole time.

00:16:40.000 Fine.

00:16:41.000 Why are they so threatened by me coming up there for three hours?

00:16:45.000 Open mic.

00:16:46.000 So let me get this straight.

00:16:48.000 Washington State University gets them for four years.

00:16:51.000 I might get some of them for three hours.

00:16:55.000 Because they know that I, in three hours, can undo the damage of four years of garbage with one sentence, one question, one truth claim.

00:17:05.000 And that's why they have to try so hard to not let me speak.

00:17:08.000 Right.

00:17:10.000 They are threatened by not just truth claims, but by truth claims that are true.

00:17:16.000 Of course, yes.

00:17:18.000 Big advantage.

00:17:20.000 Claims of truth, I should say.

00:17:23.000 Yeah, so is abortion the most volatile topic?

00:17:27.000 What is the, what is the.

00:17:29.000 I would say, yeah, and this is also where I differentiate from the old way of reaching out to young people.

00:17:35.000 And I fell victim to this for a very short period of time and I snapped out of it, which is only talk about economics.

00:17:41.000 Don't talk about the cultural stuff.

00:17:43.000 They actually want to hear about the cultural stuff.

00:17:46.000 No one is telling these people to save themselves from marriage.

00:17:48.000 No one is rejecting the premise that you shouldn't actually, like abortion is not like a normal thing.

00:17:55.000 And I say, and it pains me to say this, but some of these kids on these campuses, they think like getting abortion is like getting a haircut.

00:18:02.000 It's not a joke.

00:18:03.000 There is zero teaching of the severity and the complexity and the inhumanity and the butchery of what goes into this action.

00:18:11.000 And it's not like they're like, oh yeah, it's no different than like a cosmetic plastic surgery.

00:18:15.000 And so abortion is probably the most frequent topic I get.

00:18:19.000 But the one where there is like a pathological, like they get very upset is transgenderism. 1.00

00:18:27.000 And that's, I have, I'm deeply uncompromising on that one as well, where I believe God created men and God created women.

00:18:34.000 And period, that's it.

00:18:36.000 End of story.

00:18:37.000 That if you have gender dysphoria, it's a brain problem, not a body problem.

00:18:41.000 We should not have these treatments for anybody, period, especially not minors.

00:18:45.000 And I think personally, the medical establishment has not earned our trust to have any treatment for anybody of any age for this, period, whether you're 25 or whether you're 30, I think there should be a full suspension of quote unquote gender affirming care for people in this country. 0.88

00:18:59.000 So all that to say, transgenderism gets them very worked up. 1.00

00:19:03.000 And then almost inevitably, they will then come because I will say things like, it's a blessing to be here.

00:19:09.000 God bless you.

00:19:10.000 So eventually they're like, wait a second, are you like one of those Christians? 0.72

00:19:15.000 And then, yeah, which by the way, I was telling Pastor here, I think I win the award for the greatest podcast contrast in a 24-hour period.

00:19:23.000 You guys ready for this?

00:19:24.000 So tonight, I'm in Moscow, Idaho with Pastor Douglas Wilson.

00:19:28.000 Last night, I was in Los Angeles doing two hours with Bill Maher.

00:19:34.000 And I kid you not, it was probably the hardest podcast I've ever done.

00:19:38.000 Not just because he is wickedly smart, like he is very smart objectively.

00:19:42.000 I was impressed by his capacity to understand things from a very, very militantly atheist perspective.

00:19:50.000 He was smoking weed the entire time.

00:19:52.000 And I don't like, I don't like, I don't like fragrances, okay?

00:19:56.000 Let alone cigarette smoke or vaping.

00:19:58.000 So I've never smoked in marijuana, but now I guess I can might say I like secondhand smoke marijuana.

00:20:04.000 So here I am, like he's trying to debate the Council of Nicaea.

00:20:08.000 And I'm like, I kind of feel kind of funny right now.

00:20:12.000 And so, excuse me while I abstain tonight, Pastor.

00:20:15.000 I'm like, I've had enough.

00:20:18.000 But anyway, I'm saying it's the greatest contrast one could ever imagine, right?

00:20:22.000 From Bill Maher to Douglas Wilson.

00:20:25.000 That's really something.

00:20:26.000 But all that to say, the Bill Maher discussion or the campus discussion is all about like, whoa.

00:20:32.000 It gets to spiritual matters.

00:20:34.000 And again, what happens politically is just a manifestation of the spiritual, and we must be unafraid to engage in spiritual.

00:20:40.000 So I'd like to get to that point in a minute, but just a quick demographic question.

00:20:45.000 When you get pushback on transgenderism, does most of it come from guys or girls?

00:20:51.000 Girls.

00:20:52.000 Yeah.

00:20:53.000 That's a great question.

00:20:54.000 It's 90% women. 1.00

00:20:56.000 Yeah.

00:20:57.000 Which is like, I'm sorry to interrupt.

00:20:59.000 It should not make any sense because they're actually the greatest victims of it.

00:21:02.000 Right.

00:21:03.000 And then, but when you look at the transgender world, someone who's grounded in the Christian worldview and what the Bible teaches about human sexuality and humanity, these people are broken puppies. 1.00

00:21:17.000 They're just, they're just, they've been lied to and starved for spiritual truth, and they've sort of come to the end of the road.

00:21:27.000 And I think there's a maternal instinct that kicks in where the women feel like to oppose transgenderism is like kicking puppies.

00:21:42.000 And you need to feel sorry for them.

00:21:44.000 I think it's that we've been, here in Moscow, we've been talking about the toxic empathy or untethered empathy.

00:21:51.000 And I think that that's what this is.

00:21:54.000 The women have been trained to be empathetic, no judgment. 0.99

00:21:58.000 You cannot make judgments because that is pharisaical or legalistic or harsh, critical.

00:22:06.000 And so they just don't want to do it.

00:22:08.000 And the women have bought into that propaganda more heavily than the men have.

00:22:14.000 I've never heard anyone say that.

00:22:15.000 That's super smart.

00:22:16.000 And I think that's right.

00:22:18.000 I would add to that.

00:22:20.000 I would add to that.

00:22:21.000 Women are norm enforcers. 1.00

00:22:23.000 They always have been.

00:22:24.000 Women look at what the consensus of the times are, and they're very good at enforcing whatever the norm is. 1.00

00:22:31.000 By the way, when Christianity was the dominant view of America, it was women that were enforcing that. 0.98

00:22:36.000 So the women were the ones that were the backbone of American Christianity, especially on the hyper-local rural level all throughout the country.

00:22:45.000 And that deserves to be credited.

00:22:47.000 Women generally are far more agreeable than they are disagreeable. 1.00

00:22:51.000 And when it comes to transgenderism, there is high social cost, which women do not like risking social capital as it is, for opposing transgenderism.

00:23:00.000 It's a very, very high social cost.

00:23:02.000 You get isolated.

00:23:03.000 You could not be part of the tribe.

00:23:04.000 Women are far less likely to not want to be part of a community than men, just as a fact.

00:23:10.000 I think the maternal instinct is right.

00:23:13.000 In addition, though, transgenderism is the logical endpoint of feminism, if you understand feminism. 1.00

00:23:21.000 Feminism is this idea of no distinctions between male and female sexuality. 1.00

00:23:27.000 The first claim of Gloria Steinman in the feminine mystique is essentially that like men can do everything, women can do everything that men do, and I need to be liberated from this oppression of being a homemaker, right? 0.99

00:23:39.000 I must be liberated above this.

00:23:41.000 And so fundamentally, transgenderism is the climax of that. 0.95

00:23:45.000 After 50 years, it's like, okay, you say everyone's the same, then fine.

00:23:49.000 Men can become women and women can become men because there's nothing actually intuitively or instinctively different between the sexes.

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00:25:01.000 So you've alluded to this a couple times, but not in these words.

00:25:06.000 The late Andrew Breitbart said that politics is downstream from culture.

00:25:11.000 And then we've taught for a number of years now.

00:25:14.000 And culture is downstream from worship.

00:25:18.000 You become like what you worship.

00:25:20.000 And because evangelical worship in North America is anemic and compromised and it's like a room full of cotton candy.

00:25:33.000 It's like there's not much weight to it, not much gravitas.

00:25:38.000 And so that kind of worship has led to the corruptions in the culture that we see.

00:25:45.000 So worship is upstream from culture.

00:25:47.000 Culture is upstream from politics.

00:25:50.000 And you can't go down to Congress and say, vote for this or do that or do the other thing when the juggernaut of a continent full of anemic worship and compromised, corrupted culture is behind this measure, whatever it is, pushing.

00:26:06.000 Would you agree with that?

00:26:08.000 Yes, I mean, as deep as you want.

00:26:10.000 I mean, what we worship in the West are the pagan gods of old that have just largely been repurposed.

00:26:16.000 And I mean, I know you do a great job of this because I read your book, Christendom, and I also love, I am a Canon Plus subscriber as well, which is honoring the Sabbath.

00:26:30.000 It's actually my next book, all about the Sabbath.

00:26:32.000 I think it's the most forgotten commandment by Western Christianity by far.

00:26:37.000 And it is designed primarily for worship.

00:26:40.000 And so you think about it, we've basically eliminated honoring the Sabbath.

00:26:44.000 It says very clearly, for six days you shall work and for the seventh day you shall rest.

00:26:48.000 Very clearly, that seventh day is designed for worshiping God who created the heavens and the earth.

00:26:53.000 Bearsheet.

00:26:54.000 It literally is for that purpose.

00:26:57.000 And we are up a creek when we go to talk to unbelievers about their violations of this commandment or that commandment. 1.00

00:27:05.000 Because they say, well, what about you guys?

00:27:07.000 Yeah, you guys are working on Sunday or you're working on whatever day you consider to be the seventh day.

00:27:13.000 I'm not legalistic about that at all.

00:27:15.000 I will say, though, that most, if you can't pass the Sabbath test, you are in violation of the Sabbath.

00:27:22.000 It's very simple.

00:27:23.000 If I walk into your home on the Sabbath, can I tell?

00:27:28.000 Or does it look like every other day?

00:27:30.000 Holy means separate in Hebrew.

00:27:32.000 And we're supposed to keep the Sabbath day holy.

00:27:35.000 And if the Sabbath is not different than the other six days, then you are violating the Sabbath.

00:27:40.000 my dad said my dad was born in 1927 he said when he was a boy in nebraska uh on the lord's day on the first day of the week the stores would like the the pharmacies would rotate which pharmacy stayed open yep and And the grocery stores would, the town would shut down, hardware store would be closed, clothing store would be closed, the necessity stores, pharmacy, grocery store, that sort of thing, they would rotate who stayed open.

00:28:10.000 And that was just part of the culture.

00:28:13.000 When I was in the Navy in the 1970s, I was stationed in Norfolk, Virginia, and there was a referendum in Virginia in the 70s trying to get rid of the Sabbath laws, the blue laws.

00:28:26.000 The blue laws, which were still on the books and still enforced in the 1970s.

00:28:33.000 And we've gone from, Jesus said that man was not made for the Sabbath, but the Sabbath was made for man.

00:28:41.000 And we have bought into this frenetic 24-7 pace where you need amphetamines to keep going after a while.

00:28:49.000 Yeah, and so a couple, again, I could literally talk for an hour on the Sabbath.

00:28:53.000 It's a passionate topic of mine, or the Shabbat, if you prefer.

00:28:57.000 Look, the Hebrew word for work is malaka, which is a very specific word.

00:29:02.000 You are only supposed to do that for six days.

00:29:05.000 The only difference between Deuteronomy and Exodus, where they repeat the Ten Commandments, is the Sabbath.

00:29:11.000 When Moses repeats the Ten Commandments in the book of Deuteronomy, he says, of course, for six days you shall work, for the seventh day you shall rest.

00:29:17.000 And then he says, for you are no longer slaves in Egypt.

00:29:20.000 Only slaves work seven days. 0.63

00:29:23.000 I know a lot of rich slaves. 0.95

00:29:26.000 I know a lot of people that are slaves to their work or slaves to their stuff.

00:29:29.000 In fact, the Romans used to make fun of the Jews.

00:29:32.000 They're like, why would they take a day off?

00:29:34.000 Like, who are these people?

00:29:34.000 Why would they rest?

00:29:36.000 Well, they're still around, and a lot of the Romans are not, right? 1.00

00:29:39.000 Pretty good preservation tool.

00:29:40.000 But look, I will just also say, in a modern culture, truly honoring the Sabbath, how I honor it, I turn off my phone completely for 36 hours.

00:29:51.000 I do the traditional Jewish Sabbath.

00:29:52.000 It's my own liking, whatever, from Friday night to Sunday morning.

00:29:56.000 And I could tell you, it's really hard.

00:29:59.000 And you have to almost fight your flesh to do it, to not want to return an email, to not want to return a text message.

00:30:06.000 And because in some ways, you're worshiping with your time.

00:30:10.000 You're saying that I'm sanctifying this space.

00:30:13.000 It is a standing appointment with our creator saying that you matter so much, I'm going to give one seventh of my week to you in glory and worship.

00:30:21.000 So I completely agree with that.

00:30:23.000 And the modern church, unfortunately, does not even worship the God that you and I would consider to be, you know, the God of the heavens and the earth.

00:30:35.000 It's a broken, fragmented American Christian church.

00:30:38.000 How do you answer the charge that you have been co-opted by a politician, the politician Trump or the Republican Party?

00:30:50.000 Or do you go around making Republicans happy?

00:30:55.000 Look, I, yeah, right.

00:30:57.000 No.

00:30:59.000 I oppose a lot of Republicans.

00:31:01.000 For example, I've spoken out against both of your U.S. senators in this state, of which I would like to see primaries happen.

00:31:06.000 So no, I do not operate just to try to make Republicans happy.

00:31:10.000 You guys deserve better senators. 0.99

00:31:11.000 Let me tell you right now, you guys deserve better senators.

00:31:13.000 The fact that there's not outspread applause, because you guys are like, no, good.

00:31:18.000 So no one can criticize me just to kind of carry the water the Republican Party, okay?

00:31:23.000 But I can tell you right now, you have two warmongering senators here in this state that sent a lot of money to Ukraine and didn't do anything to try to close the southern border when Biden was president.

00:31:31.000 Anyway, besides that, they're great people.

00:31:34.000 Other than that, how was the player?

00:31:36.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:31:37.000 But so the charge, I just needed to say that.

00:31:39.000 But look, Jesus is always number one in my life.

00:31:43.000 That's very important.

00:31:44.000 I will bring what I know to be true into the political domain.

00:31:47.000 And I believe we as Christians are called to be counselors to the king, you know, to be counselor to the politician, as Daniel was or Mordecai, that if I can influence for moral and righteous or good purposes, I mean, it was pretty awesome when I was able to, in the early days of this administration, advocate to President Trump, hey, I really think you should pardon all these pro-lifers that are in jail right now for the FACE Act.

00:32:14.000 That was awesome.

00:32:14.000 Now, I don't deserve credit, to be perfectly clear.

00:32:19.000 I don't deserve credit for that, but it was really confirming that all that advocacy gave me proximity to a man with a pen that was able to get all these amazing pro-life warriors out of prison.

00:32:30.000 It was pretty awesome when JD asked me, he's like, hey, should I speak at the March for Life?

00:32:34.000 I said, absolutely.

00:32:35.000 So just little things like that where I can use the proximity that the Lord has given me to try to push for things that I believe are pleasing to the Lord.

00:32:43.000 Little things that are actually enormous things.

00:32:46.000 But by little, I mean that they add up, meaning that they are daily decisions that need to be made.

00:32:46.000 No, of course.

00:32:52.000 Another one, where, again, I don't deserve credit, but I was pushing.

00:32:55.000 I said, guys, you know, Stephen Miller and all, again, they deserve the credit.

00:32:59.000 They did it.

00:32:59.000 But I was a voice.

00:33:00.000 We need an executive order prohibiting gender-affirming care for minors. 1.00

00:33:04.000 We need an executive order saying only men in female sports. 1.00

00:33:07.000 And so I, amongst many other great voices, are trying to be that counselor to the king, counselor to the president that I believe is a biblical role.

00:33:16.000 So back, if we rewind in the history of North American conservatism, William Buckley, when he was just out of Yale, wrote God and Man at Yale and sort of wound up launching the modern conservative resurgence that culminated in the election of Reagan.

00:33:16.000 Right.

00:33:36.000 Right.

00:33:37.000 Part of that project was the fusionist project of Meyer, of Hawks, you know, anti-libertarianism, neoconservatism.

00:33:49.000 So you had like three major strands bundled up together in this fusionist project.

00:33:57.000 The Hawks wanted to defeat Russia and the Soviet Union and the Cold War, and the culture warriors were concerned about the morality, and then the free market guys wanted less regulations and all that.

00:34:12.000 I'm sure you're up against some of the similar currents.

00:34:16.000 If you looked at Turning Point, what kind, it's obviously a conservative activist organization.

00:34:23.000 Is it one of those strands or another one?

00:34:27.000 Or is it a neo-fusionist project?

00:34:31.000 Or is it more eclectic than that?

00:34:35.000 It's probably eclectic because, look, we're a membership organization.

00:34:38.000 And then a lot of what Turning Point espouses are my beliefs.

00:34:41.000 So I'll tell you what I believe and then it kind of goes downstream from there, which is like, look, I'm first and foremost a Christian, and I need to just repeat that, right?

00:34:50.000 I believe that we want a strong country.

00:34:52.000 I'm resolutely America first.

00:34:55.000 I think that it is against our own best interests to continue to engage in these neo-imperialist wars.

00:35:01.000 So I'm not a neoconservative at all.

00:35:03.000 I think that our own borders matter a lot more than the borders of a foreign country.

00:35:07.000 And I think it's long past time that our leaders would start to prioritize the well-being of our own citizens, not those of foreign nations. 0.52

00:35:16.000 Not that crazy of a concept, right?

00:35:18.000 So you can call that a nationalist, you can call that a conservative or whatever.

00:35:21.000 Where I am involved in a very serious and spirited battle, which goes to my prior comment about your senators, is that I think neoconservatism has no place in the Republican Party.

00:35:32.000 And that's where a lot of people get upset.

00:35:35.000 So what is neoconservatism?

00:35:38.000 That's not even hawkish stuff.

00:35:39.000 Neoconservatism is beyond that.

00:35:41.000 Neoconservatism is a form of Marxism.

00:35:44.000 Literally, it's a branch of Trotskyism, which is to believe that America exists primarily as a global empire to go and try and tell other countries what to do and how to do it.

00:35:56.000 We're going to invade the world, and then we will invite the world.

00:36:00.000 That America is a colony and will be a series of colonies. 0.75

00:36:05.000 We reject this because neoconservatism prioritizes GDP over God.

00:36:11.000 Neoconservatism prioritizes mass migration over the well-being of native-born Americans.

00:36:16.000 Neoconservatism will say that by all means necessary, we must use force, and around every corner, there's a dragon waiting to destroy us.

00:36:25.000 We need to have war with Russia, war with Iran. 1.00

00:36:28.000 We need to be sable-rattling around every corner. 1.00

00:36:30.000 And I ask people, has that worked the last 20 years?

00:36:33.000 George W. Bush is a perfect example of a neoconservative, okay?

00:36:36.000 That is like, he's basically, him and Liz Cheney and Dick Cheney is like central casting.

00:36:42.000 The Iraq war, I think, was a disaster. 0.99

00:36:43.000 I think it was a total mistake.

00:36:44.000 It never should have happened.

00:36:46.000 The war in Afghanistan was, I think, prosecuted incorrectly, never should have been a long nation-building, you know, kind of change the hearts and minds of the people of Afghanistan war.

00:36:56.000 So in that fusionism, I look at those kids on a college campus.

00:37:01.000 I think to myself, they deserve better than leaders that are trying to get them closer to an unnecessary Third World War, while simultaneously not embracing this idea that the American foreign policy project has, at its best of the last 20 years, been overly aggressive.

00:37:19.000 At its worst, actually sowed the seeds of our own demise.

00:37:22.000 Look at Elon Omar, who we don't like, who's in Congress.

00:37:25.000 How did she come?

00:37:26.000 She's a perfect example of neoconservatism. 0.99

00:37:28.000 We get involved in Somalia because of the Somalian Civil War.

00:37:31.000 We invade them.

00:37:32.000 We feel bad.

00:37:33.000 So we bring a bunch of Somalians into our country because we're told we must have mass migration.

00:37:37.000 So one is a prerequisite to the other.

00:37:39.000 And so the Republican Party has a lot of different views on big issues, but neoconservatism at its core, where they are trying to stoke conflict where it shouldn't exist, where they care more about foreign nations other than our own.

00:37:55.000 Would you say the DNA of, as you're defining neoconservative, the DNA of it is globalist?

00:38:01.000 Yes, that is a great, another term for it.

00:38:04.000 It's one that looks at the great American empire, gay, G-A-E, that its spheres of influence goes all the way from Ukraine. 0.98

00:38:14.000 You're like, hold on, time out, time out.

00:38:15.000 We have very distinct borders.

00:38:17.000 Why don't you start caring about it?

00:38:18.000 Here's the problem with neoconservatism.

00:38:20.000 Neoconservatism is highly obsessed with the enrichment of the capital class and is completely ignoring of the well-being of its own citizens.

00:38:29.000 You see this best on display when you have homeless people that are vets that can't get care. 0.99

00:38:35.000 You see this on display of mass drug overdoses and we have to be lectured that the greatest enemy to America is Vladimir Putin.

00:38:41.000 I'm sorry, that's not the greatest enemy to America, by any means necessary.

00:38:44.000 I don't like Vladimir Putin.

00:38:46.000 But a much bigger problem than Vladimir Putin is the American left that has ignored and left people behind or public sector teacher unions.

00:38:46.000 I don't think he's good.

00:38:54.000 Here would be an important distinction in this.

00:38:58.000 I concur with what you're saying there.

00:39:01.000 Would you make a distinction, as I would, between the use of the U.S. military in nation-building exercises, which would be Afghanistan.

00:39:12.000 You're right.

00:39:13.000 as opposed to what President Trump is currently doing to the Houthis.

00:39:17.000 So the Houthis are attacking shipping going through the Red Sea, and we've said we're not going to try to build anything in Yemen. 0.88

00:39:26.000 We're blowing things up until they stop shooting at the ships.

00:39:31.000 Would you say, yeah, that's an area where I differ with Trump, or do you see that a distinction between sort of an aggressive, short, defensive action like that versus nation-building projects?

00:39:45.000 I totally see what Trump's doing there.

00:39:46.000 I don't know enough about it to have a strong, I don't know the complexities.

00:39:50.000 I think that we should exercise caution when meddling in other countries' affairs.

00:39:54.000 But I'll just be very honest with you, something that I'm against.

00:39:57.000 I don't think we should bomb Iranian nuclear facilities.

00:40:00.000 I just don't.

00:40:00.000 I think it would be a huge mistake.

00:40:02.000 It's an act of war against a major country.

00:40:04.000 You go to war with Persia, it will bring your country down. 1.00

00:40:07.000 The American people did not rise up in major numbers because we want war with Iran. 0.88

00:40:10.000 That was never part of the deal, okay?

00:40:12.000 It was never like, hey, America first, we're going to go do a bunch of targeted strikes on the inland of Iran.

00:40:19.000 So that's just where I would say that that would be a catastrophic mistake.

00:40:25.000 But beyond that, I just want to make sure that we are clear kind of why we believe this.

00:40:29.000 We have so many pressing problems at home, and our leaders are internationally obsessed, and they are domestically ignorant.

00:40:37.000 And they don't care to know that we have a suicide problem with our nation's young people.

00:40:42.000 They don't care to know that we are having a fertility crisis in the West. 0.97

00:40:46.000 And so again, they ignore the problems, and neoconservative solution to every problem is what?

00:40:52.000 The religion of neoconservatism beyond invasion is mass migration.

00:40:57.000 Bring as many people into the country as you possibly can, regardless if they can't assimilate or they can't have cultural cohesion. 0.98

00:41:04.000 Because one plays into the other.

00:41:05.000 Why?

00:41:06.000 Because they don't believe in nationality.

00:41:08.000 That's the important point.

00:41:09.000 They are globalist.

00:41:10.000 They'll say, oh, come on, why can't you bring a bunch of people in Somalia?

00:41:14.000 Why can't you bring a bunch of people from Gaza?

00:41:16.000 Why can't you bring a bunch of people from Syria in?

00:41:19.000 And we know that you cannot bring people from the third world. 1.00

00:41:22.000 You bring in the third world, you become the third world. 1.00

00:41:25.000 I'd be willing to bring people in from Gaza if we put them in Martha's Vineyard. 1.00

00:41:30.000 And they won't be received there, that's for sure.

00:41:35.000 But no, I just, it says very clearly in the scriptures, demand the welfare of the nation that you are in, because your welfare is your nation's welfare.

00:41:42.000 Jeremiah 29, 7.

00:41:44.000 And so I think we've far overreached.

00:41:46.000 And I know that as I speak for our nation's young people, I have known, just you understand my passionate perspective on this, from my earliest memory, we have been a nation at war.

00:41:57.000 One of my earliest memories is 9-11.

00:41:59.000 And we had a no-win war in Iraq and a no-win war in Afghanistan.

00:42:02.000 And now we're heavily involved in a no-win war with Russia and Ukraine.

00:42:05.000 And I just asked myself, could that $8 trillion have been better spent?

00:42:09.000 Like, what did we get for that?

00:42:11.000 And I think that philosophy at its core is one that is globalist, not nationalistic.

00:42:16.000 One of the tenets of this electoral revolution that just happened in the 2020 election was no to endless war.

00:42:28.000 Totally.

00:42:29.000 So there's Trump clearly believes in a strong military, but he also believes that there's bloat excess and all kinds of dirty deeds going on in Pentagon contracts.

00:42:43.000 So he's not a pacifist.

00:42:48.000 He's not by no means.

00:42:48.000 Not a pacifist.

00:42:49.000 But he's not a nation builder either.

00:42:52.000 And so when we say no to endless war, we're saying no to the globalist enterprise, no to the idea that we are somehow the savior of the world.

00:43:02.000 Correct.

00:43:03.000 So on immigration, there are evangelical leaders who used to have a lot more authority to speak maybe seven or eight years ago than they do now.

00:43:14.000 The New York Times, when they wanted to talk to an evangelical, would call up Russ Moore or David French or someone like that and say, what's the evangelical take on this?

00:43:25.000 And the evangelical elite was also in favor of open borders and very loose immigration policy.

00:43:35.000 And the illustration I've used for this is imagine a Christian couple with a couple kids of their own, and they take in two foster kids, and they're doing very well with the four, and everybody's thriving and happy.

00:43:49.000 And then one day a short bus from the state shows up with 28 extra foster kids, and they dump off 28 more foster kids.

00:43:58.000 And the father objects, and then one of the evangelical leaders says, I think that you're not showing an ethic of hospitality here.

00:44:07.000 Christians should love their neighbors.

00:44:09.000 Christians should be open to foster children.

00:44:13.000 And he could say, well, I was open to them, and I was taking good care of the two, which I thought we could do.

00:44:18.000 I was loving my own two.

00:44:19.000 I was loving these foster kids.

00:44:21.000 But if you drop off those 28, I'm not going to be loving anybody.

00:44:26.000 The 28 are going to lose.

00:44:29.000 The two foster kids are going to lose, and my own kids are going to lose.

00:44:33.000 You have just crippled me.

00:44:37.000 You've not been charitable.

00:44:39.000 You've made charity impossible.

00:44:42.000 So the issue is not whether someone could legally immigrate from another country.

00:44:48.000 The issue is chaos, right?

00:44:50.000 And I would go even a step further, which is that you don't have to have any immigration.

00:44:56.000 I know that sounds like a radical view.

00:44:58.000 You actually don't have to.

00:45:00.000 We have gone through plenty of periods in this country's history where we had almost no immigration from like the 1920s to the 1960s.

00:45:06.000 And I think that immigration, the sales point for immigration is always one of the following.

00:45:12.000 Well, they won't do the jobs that we'll do.

00:45:15.000 Okay, well, with mass robotics or AI, that's not going to be true anymore.

00:45:18.000 By the way, how insulting the American people?

00:45:21.000 I think that American people with a fair wage would actually do a lot of these jobs.

00:45:24.000 And so if their wages weren't always being undercut.

00:45:27.000 So the other thing they say is, well, diversity is our strength.

00:45:30.000 No, it's not, actually.

00:45:31.000 Diversity is not a strength, okay?

00:45:33.000 Show me any country that has mass importation of foreigners and gets stronger. 1.00

00:45:38.000 Like ever.

00:45:39.000 In fact, Moses specifically warned against this in the end of Deuteronomy.

00:45:44.000 Deuteronomy 28.

00:45:45.000 Exactly, where he says they will become your masters.

00:45:47.000 There is like a cautionary tale there.

00:45:49.000 They will be the head, you will be the tail.

00:45:51.000 Yes.

00:45:52.000 Yeah.

00:45:52.000 And so, and finally, as we care about the nation, I just, I think the charitable way of looking at it is so right.

00:45:59.000 I think there is this kind of like guilt complex that seeps into evangelicalism, which is that, well, everyone says America's awful and we're going to atone to our sins by allowing everybody that wants to come in here at all times.

00:46:12.000 While they're actually not loving their neighbor, they're importing a foreigner. 1.00

00:46:16.000 That's two totally different things.

00:46:19.000 They're very slow to actually go help their neighbor who's an American, but somehow they want to go bring in like a Honduran or a Vietnamese, which again, if you have a good heart for that, terrific, that's fine. 0.99

00:46:30.000 But a fact is this, is that America is collapsing because we are a nation of strangers.

00:46:36.000 We speak different languages.

00:46:38.000 We have different origin stories.

00:46:39.000 We have different cultural backgrounds.

00:46:41.000 And one that I think we can all agree on as Christians, we should look at Europe with shock and with awe and say that Islam is incompatible with Western civilization. 1.00

00:46:51.000 That is mass migration.

00:46:52.000 You're not going to convert the Muslims in big numbers to Christianity.

00:46:56.000 They're going to want to convert you.

00:46:58.000 And they have a lot more kids than we do, by the way.

00:47:00.000 A lot.

00:47:00.000 And the number one birth name in London, in Birmingham, in Edinburgh is Muhammad.

00:47:06.000 They seek to conquer and to grow and to explode their influence.

00:47:11.000 And they're very good at it because Islam, you know, we as Christians, we kind of dance around like, is there a political doctrine for Christianity or not?

00:47:18.000 And, you know, Islam makes no apology that it is a nakedly political ideology that's disguised as a religion. 1.00

00:47:26.000 They make no apology.

00:47:27.000 It's well within their teaching that we come here to institute a government of a certain structure, which eventually will be Sharia law.

00:47:34.000 And we're inviting that into our country. 1.00

00:47:37.000 It is slow-motion suicide.

00:47:40.000 And so, and the final point they'll say is like, well, the West is not having enough children.

00:47:44.000 Oh, really?

00:47:45.000 Well, maybe we wouldn't have a million abortions every single year. 1.00

00:47:47.000 We wouldn't need mass migration.

00:47:49.000 Maybe if we didn't have kids that are on the pill with birth control, we wouldn't need to import a massive amount of third worlders into our country. 1.00

00:47:57.000 And so, look, I'm of the opinion that we should have a full pause on immigration, both legal and illegal. 0.68

00:48:03.000 We have way too many people in this country right now.

00:48:05.000 We have a public services issue.

00:48:06.000 We have a wage issue.

00:48:07.000 We have a crime issue.

00:48:09.000 And call me radical, but again, I think the American citizen should always come first.

00:48:13.000 A government is constituted to fulfill its mandate to its people.

00:48:17.000 It stops at its borders.

00:48:19.000 And its failure to do that has really led to the rise of Donald Trump.

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00:49:27.000 I wanted to circle back to something you touched on earlier and develop it maybe a little bit more.

00:49:33.000 You mentioned all the men who have started to show up at your events.

00:49:40.000 Young men have been moving steadily to the right, becoming more conservative.

00:49:40.000 Yes.

00:49:48.000 A lot of them are the world that they've inherited just isn't working for them.

00:49:55.000 Correct.

00:49:56.000 And you mentioned all the major institutions.

00:49:59.000 Name one institution in American life that hasn't thoroughly discredited itself in the last 10 years.

00:50:07.000 All of them.

00:50:08.000 Completely right.

00:50:09.000 Media, military.

00:50:10.000 Including the church.

00:50:11.000 Including the church.

00:50:12.000 So young men who want to be taught, instructed, and led are, where do I go?

00:50:19.000 Where do I go?

00:50:21.000 And so they're showing up at your events, and there are a lot of them.

00:50:26.000 One downside, one challenge, with everything that happens, there's always going to be a temptation that accompanies it.

00:50:34.000 And one of them here is that a lot of these young men are so disillusioned with everything that they have gone into some pretty dark corners of the internet and have started to listen to Jew hate conspiracy theories.

00:50:52.000 And of course, we have the joke, you know, I'm going to need some new conspiracy theories because all of mine are coming true.

00:50:58.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:51:00.000 You don't want these ones.

00:51:01.000 Yeah, there are some conspiracy theories that are really dank.

00:51:06.000 They're really bad.

00:51:07.000 And then there are the conspiracy theories that are people who just have eyes in their head and they don't believe the lies that are coming out of their television set.

00:51:16.000 Correct.

00:51:16.000 So make that distinction.

00:51:16.000 Right.

00:51:18.000 But some of these men are pretty are broken, bleeding, hurting, and they are hostile to everything.

00:51:28.000 And so your support for Israel, for example, will animate.

00:51:35.000 Yes, animate them.

00:51:36.000 You will probably get feedback.

00:51:39.000 Just aside from the specific answer to the question one of them might ask, how would you address sort of the root cause of this young male rootlessness, fatherlessness that is resulting in adoption of some really bad political theologies?

00:51:58.000 It's a great question.

00:51:59.000 So I get asked frequently, why are men rebelling in such great numbers?

00:52:03.000 There's a lot of answers, but one that is almost never mentioned, and I think I was the first one to present this, young men do not like taking orders from women.

00:52:11.000 They don't.

00:52:13.000 If you want to get young men to rebel, have them have a bunch of women barking at them, especially crazy liberal women. 1.00

00:52:13.000 Period. 1.00

00:52:20.000 And you ladies, afterwards, don't ask your guy if that's true.

00:52:23.000 Yeah.

00:52:24.000 But it's, and so you think about it.

00:52:27.000 You have a 17-year-old man, young man, I should say, where everything around him is falling apart.

00:52:33.000 His friends are committing suicide.

00:52:35.000 They're all addicted to porn.

00:52:37.000 And then he all of a sudden shows up at age 18 at a college campus where some like childless 45-year-old cat woman is telling him that he's the problem because he's toxically masculine.

00:52:50.000 And he's like, forget this.

00:52:52.000 Like, I'm going to go find somewhere else where I'm at least validated as a man.

00:52:57.000 And again, you could say like, oh, well, we have to teach men to be able to take orders from women. 0.61

00:53:01.000 That's a state of nature, guys.

00:53:02.000 It's just that that's not going to, you have to understand that young men in particular are trying to figure out how to become a man and not a boy.

00:53:13.000 They're trying to understand also how to deal with physical violence.

00:53:18.000 That's why young men without fathers are much more likely to engage in acts of violent crime, murder, arson, kidnapping, whatever, gang violence, because they've never actually had a male figure to have them wrestle with the idea, like, what is it actually, what is good use of force actually mean?

00:53:35.000 So they have totally distorted.

00:53:37.000 And then even beyond that, the entire culture is hyper, hyper-feminized.

00:53:42.000 Now, what do I mean by that?

00:53:44.000 I mean, feminine qualities at its best would be an appeal to emotion. 1.00

00:53:49.000 We have thrown reason out the window.

00:53:52.000 And the entire constitution, the current constitution of the postmodernist view is that the worst thing that you can be in America is a white Anglo-Saxon Christian heterosexual male, of which I am one. 0.69

00:54:09.000 So you're looking at like the chief villain.

00:54:11.000 And the only way you can atone for that is by becoming a liberal or transitioning to become a woman. 0.91

00:54:19.000 And men are the problem. 1.00

00:54:21.000 Men are the cancer. 0.91

00:54:22.000 They're a tumor that must be removed.

00:54:25.000 And it has created mass cultural chaos.

00:54:27.000 And you have made all that list of that litany of things that you are one degree worse, 10 degrees worse, because add to it, apologetic.

00:54:36.000 Unapologetic Christian. 1.00

00:54:36.000 Unapologetic. 1.00

00:54:37.000 Right.

00:54:38.000 Yes.

00:54:38.000 Unapologetic for everything.

00:54:39.000 Yes, that's a whole list.

00:54:41.000 And so I'm like the chief villain.

00:54:43.000 Sue me.

00:54:43.000 So I'm white.

00:54:44.000 I'm amazed.

00:54:44.000 Yes.

00:54:44.000 So I'm header.

00:54:45.000 Exactly.

00:54:46.000 What am I supposed to do?

00:54:47.000 Stop existing?

00:54:48.000 And they'll say, basically, some of them will be like, yes.

00:54:50.000 I mean, you think I'm kidding.

00:54:52.000 I mean, so The cultural paradigm right now is a rebellion of the men of the West.

00:54:59.000 It's happening in every major country where young men are finding podcasts like ours.

00:55:05.000 They're finding other information conduits that believe in nature, believe in God's design, believe that men should have to stand up for the vulnerable, create a family, provide for the family, have to protect the weak, to fight the battles of society, to go on an adventure.

00:55:27.000 This is very appealing to young men when they hear it.

00:55:30.000 And they're not getting any of that.

00:55:32.000 Instead, they get a, well, the hero's journey that they get is not the story of Abraham.

00:55:39.000 It's like, it's the story of, well, become a social justice warrior and get a degree in sociology and like go become a social worker.

00:55:50.000 Like that's your hero's journey to like go become a guidance counselor to help kids become trans.

00:55:56.000 Right.

00:55:57.000 Like that's how you redeem yourself.

00:55:59.000 And like young men, like, no, that's like against my soul. 0.96

00:56:02.000 Like I'm called to go into the wilderness.

00:56:04.000 I mean, what, like Abraham left, Abram left his dad's house when he's like 120 or something, right?

00:56:09.000 I mean, you would know.

00:56:10.000 He's pretty old, like 70 or something.

00:56:12.000 Every young boy wants that call to adventure to leave his father's home and to go do something out in the wilderness, to do something of the world.

00:56:19.000 He wants to slay the dragon.

00:56:20.000 Exactly.

00:56:21.000 And again, I'm not the first on a diagnosis.

00:56:23.000 Jordan Peterson's been on this for quite a while, right?

00:56:26.000 What I'm getting at, though, is the political side is what people missed, is that there's a lot that you can call Donald Trump.

00:56:34.000 No one has ever called him feminine.

00:56:41.000 In a toxically feminine world, again, all the media missed this and almost every cultural critic missed it. 1.00

00:56:47.000 We didn't.

00:56:48.000 In a toxically feminine world, you have the absolute inverse of that, which is like ultra masculine. 1.00

00:56:56.000 Never apologize, red tie, big plane, super rich, super model wife, right? 0.99

00:57:04.000 It's going to be big and Mexico's going to pay for it and we're going to have more tariffs.

00:57:08.000 And it's like as bravado strong men as you can get.

00:57:13.000 And young men didn't care that, you know, I don't, it wasn't even about policy. 0.58

00:57:18.000 That's what people don't understand.

00:57:20.000 It was partially policy.

00:57:21.000 It was like, no, he is the middle finger to all of the screeching hall monitors that have told me I have to use certain pronouns, that have told me that like I'm bad for existing, that have penalized me for my existence.

00:57:34.000 And Trump is the big F you to the feminist establishment that has not been challenged my entire life.

00:57:41.000 Right.

00:57:42.000 And there you have a coaching analysis of the 2020 election.

00:57:47.000 2024, yeah.

00:57:50.000 Well, 2024.

00:57:51.000 No, yeah.

00:57:52.000 But I could go on forever.

00:57:54.000 But yeah.

00:57:54.000 Well, thank you so much.

00:57:55.000 Very good.

00:57:56.000 Thank you.

00:57:58.000 You want me to stay with questions?

00:58:07.000 So if you have a question, line up at the mic here, and then someone authoritative will cut it off when it's time to be done.

00:58:16.000 So I listened to your podcast interview with Gavin Newsom.

00:58:20.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:58:21.000 And as a former Californian, I'm just curious, do you think he's going to successfully pull this reinvention off?

00:58:32.000 No, I don't.

00:58:32.000 I mean, he's going to try to be the Democrat nominee.

00:58:34.000 I don't profess to know Democrat politics.

00:58:37.000 I will say, like, no joke, Bernie drew a huge crowd in Boise a couple days ago.

00:58:42.000 Like, I'm telling you, it's 12,000 people.

00:58:44.000 That's not easy to do.

00:58:45.000 We drew a big crowd to a Boise, but the Boise State, not that big.

00:58:48.000 The Democrats are going to go through a very difficult chapter right now.

00:58:53.000 I'll pray for them.

00:58:56.000 Pray to chapter 11.

00:58:58.000 Yeah, no, exactly.

00:59:00.000 Exactly.

00:59:01.000 Exactly.

00:59:02.000 So I don't know who the Democrat nominee is going to be.

00:59:06.000 I'm not going to pretend.

00:59:07.000 But there is, I don't think the Democrats will be able to be competitive in the Battleground States if they still stay married to their mass migration trans zealotry.

00:59:18.000 If they allow the purple-haired jihadis to continue to run their party, I think they're going to be uncompetitive in the swing states.

00:59:27.000 Yeah, thanks for coming out.

00:59:28.000 I really appreciate you doing this.

00:59:30.000 And I have a question kind of for you.

00:59:31.000 I'd love to hear Pastor Wilson chime in on it as well.

00:59:34.000 But I've heard Jordan Peterson say something to young men in particular, something along the lines of, if you're not going to college, you should do something as difficult or more difficult.

00:59:45.000 One of the big topics you've been speaking on at college campuses is the idea that college is a scam.

00:59:48.000 Correct.

00:59:50.000 What do you think the solution is for aimless young men who struggle to find a purpose? 0.91

00:59:55.000 And if they don't have a mission, should they go to college with the hopes of finding one through pursuing a degree?

01:00:02.000 Or is college too dangerous of an environment for young men seeking purpose?

01:00:06.000 Like, what's the alternative?

01:00:07.000 Yeah, I mean, look, this is a generalization.

01:00:09.000 I could tell you this, though, that boys do not become men at college.

01:00:12.000 In fact, they stay boys.

01:00:12.000 They don't.

01:00:14.000 And one of the reasons why, generally, is that they get everything that they could possibly want and they don't have to work for it.

01:00:18.000 This is why feminism is bad for everybody, men included. 1.00

01:00:21.000 So the feminist shtick is they tell a bunch of young women, hey, have as much sex as you possibly can. 1.00

01:00:26.000 I know we got kids in the audience, but you know, it's just what it is.

01:00:29.000 Have as much sex as you possibly can. 0.52

01:00:31.000 And so the girls are like, oh, okay. 0.89

01:00:33.000 And so they do that.

01:00:34.000 So then the men don't actually have to be impressive or work to get what they want because all the women are free and easy on these campuses. 1.00

01:00:41.000 And so they don't have to grow up.

01:00:43.000 They don't have to shower.

01:00:43.000 They don't have to shave.

01:00:44.000 They don't have to stop doing weed. 0.96

01:00:45.000 They don't have to be impressive.

01:00:47.000 So in olden days, in order to even court a woman, you got to be a pretty impressive guy. 1.00

01:00:51.000 You had to have your act together.

01:00:52.000 And now, all of a sudden, the women throw themselves all over the place. 1.00

01:00:55.000 And so it's a very simple supply and demand issue.

01:00:57.000 So I'm against college for a lot of different reasons.

01:01:00.000 That's one of them.

01:01:01.000 I also just don't think it makes you wiser at all.

01:01:04.000 I mean, you might know more stuff, but wisdom is the knowledge of things that do not change.

01:01:08.000 And studying of the great books and the great ideas.

01:01:10.000 Now, there are exceptions.

01:01:11.000 I'm sure there's, I know there's a great college up here in Idaho somewhere.

01:01:19.000 So that would be the exception.

01:01:21.000 But I mean, I'll just tell you, I mean, like Washington State University, one of the first, you guys saw it, that professor that came up, he's a moron.

01:01:28.000 Like, why would you spend money to learn from this guy?

01:01:31.000 No, seriously, he's an anthropology or whatever sociology professor.

01:01:34.000 He knows nothing.

01:01:35.000 There's nothing there, okay?

01:01:36.000 There's no reason for you to go into debt to learn from this guy other than get the credential.

01:01:42.000 And so there's a lot that young men can do.

01:01:45.000 The bottom line is I would say do hard things.

01:01:48.000 And college should be hard.

01:01:50.000 And it's not.

01:01:52.000 And there are places where you could make it hard.

01:01:55.000 You could make a point of it being difficult and challenging.

01:01:59.000 You could double major in engineering and something else that's difficult.

01:02:04.000 Men need a challenge. 0.94

01:02:06.000 They need to work hard.

01:02:07.000 The problem is at state colleges, they make you run the gauntlet of other gunk in order to get your engineering degree.

01:02:15.000 So you have to be very selective and very picky.

01:02:18.000 I have a friend who many years ago in his non-Christian days was a sociology major, and he got stoned out of his gourd and went and took his sociology final, and he aced it.

01:02:33.000 And his conclusion was, I have got to change majors.

01:02:38.000 So he went into microbiology and was converted later.

01:02:42.000 It was a success story.

01:02:44.000 But basically, men need to work hard, and they need a challenge, and they should not be left.

01:02:50.000 An 18-year-old guy should not be left up to his own devices to seek out that which is hard because they're going to make the path of least resistance very, very easy for him.

01:03:03.000 That's possible.

01:03:04.000 So I would say get counsel, parents, pastor, other people.

01:03:09.000 But young men, if you're between 17 and 22, do hard things, basically.

01:03:16.000 Ensure that it's hard.

01:03:17.000 Hey, straight from the front lines.

01:03:19.000 Thank you for coming to Moscow, Charlie.

01:03:19.000 Absolutely.

01:03:21.000 My question is, I noticed your co-op drink there.

01:03:26.000 TPUSA works primarily on a national level.

01:03:30.000 How can we fight local political battles?

01:03:34.000 That's actually a better question for Doug, because I actually, I don't do a lot of local political battles.

01:03:38.000 Like, I resist getting on my condo board.

01:03:41.000 Because, by the way, that's vicious, just so we're just real quick.

01:03:44.000 I would be curious what your answer is.

01:03:46.000 So I would say that locally, we said earlier that culture is downstream from worship.

01:03:53.000 I would say at the local level, you want to find a church that teaches the Bible, join it, throw yourself into the work of it, grow that community where the community becomes salt and light at a local level, such that non-believers notice.

01:04:12.000 And then some of the controversies after that will start taking care of themselves.

01:04:17.000 Well said.

01:04:20.000 Hi.

01:04:20.000 I have a question as a mom.

01:04:22.000 I'm asking you for practical advice about how we fight against feminism. 0.89

01:04:27.000 And I don't know how familiar you are with our community, but we have plenty of kids in our community.

01:04:34.000 I have 10.

01:04:35.000 Wow, my children know.

01:04:38.000 It's amazing.

01:04:39.000 No, we have some adoption.

01:04:41.000 I'm a little bit woman with 10 kids I've met in Idaho.

01:04:43.000 I'm kidding.

01:04:45.000 I'm kidding.

01:04:46.000 Yeah, in our little bubble, it's not all that uncommon.

01:04:49.000 Amazing.

01:04:50.000 So my kids are well taught about feminism, and my sons and my daughters are. 0.73

01:04:54.000 But for example, you mentioned women and sports.

01:04:57.000 But you often don't hear about women that push into the Boy Scouts or women, and that's coming from women. 1.00

01:05:04.000 And so I guess that's just a general question of what advice can you give me as a mom to try to make a difference?

01:05:11.000 Not even for my kids, but maybe other young people that are just hearing lies.

01:05:16.000 Yeah, I don't know if I have advice for you as a mom, but I'll just say some general stuff that I think might be helpful is that, first of all, I'm an Eagle Scout.

01:05:22.000 So I could tell you, this is not hard.

01:05:24.000 Boys need sex separate development spaces when they are trying to grow and mature.

01:05:31.000 Every study shows this.

01:05:32.000 And by the way, it's so self-evident.

01:05:33.000 You don't need a study to show this.

01:05:35.000 That you have eight boys that are the age of 12.

01:05:39.000 A single female that is in that circumstance changes the dynamic completely. 1.00

01:05:43.000 Chaos.

01:05:44.000 Chaos.

01:05:45.000 Now, it's not even a female's fault.

01:05:47.000 So this was studied.

01:05:48.000 This was interesting.

01:05:50.000 So they did a Boy Scout thing where there was a high rate of failure task.

01:05:55.000 So it was about like climbing a rope, basically, and it's very hard and it requires teamwork and all this sort of stuff.

01:06:01.000 So they did it with just boys.

01:06:03.000 It was fine.

01:06:04.000 When a boy would fail, they'd like get him up again.

01:06:06.000 They would encourage him.

01:06:07.000 It was very team.

01:06:09.000 There was no shame in failure when it was all boys.

01:06:12.000 They introduced one female.

01:06:14.000 It's all, they don't want to take the risk because they want to impress the singular female. 0.93

01:06:18.000 The entire dynamic of teamwork, it's all completely splintered.

01:06:24.000 And honestly, it's incredibly damaging to young boys' development to get rid of boys-only spaces to become men.

01:06:33.000 It's an awful development.

01:06:35.000 Girls in the Boy Scouts is one of the most disturbing developments in something that was once a good instance.

01:06:42.000 The Boy Scouts are not, you should find, what is that other thing, the True North or Happy Trails or something?

01:06:47.000 Two or three.

01:06:48.000 There's Trail.

01:06:49.000 Yeah, trail life, yeah, trail life.

01:06:51.000 Happy trails, yeah, there you go.

01:06:52.000 Yeah, so, but not boys, the Boy Scouts is a disaster, it's a husk of its former self.

01:06:57.000 And that's too bad, because there's former presidents and astronauts that were Eagle Scouts and myself, and it's terrible.

01:07:03.000 But more than anything else, like the what is the root of the feminist lie that it comes into Christianity? 0.84

01:07:10.000 When parents tell their kids, their daughters, you can do everything men can do.

01:07:14.000 And that's BS.

01:07:15.000 It's not true.

01:07:17.000 You shouldn't say that to your sons.

01:07:18.000 You shouldn't say it to your daughters.

01:07:19.000 You should say you are uniquely gifted to do some things that men cannot do, and they're uniquely gifted to do some things that you cannot do.

01:07:27.000 Amen.

01:07:28.000 Thank you.

01:07:29.000 Charlie, in some of your videos, when somebody's asked you, how do you actually know that the Bible is true or that God exists?

01:07:34.000 Your response has been, well, if I'm dealing with a secularist, I will try to prove it using reason alone.

01:07:41.000 And I know that Doug has a different approach.

01:07:43.000 He has more of a, I don't know if you're familiar.

01:07:46.000 It's a presuppositional or Vantillian approach.

01:07:48.000 I was hoping you guys could have maybe an exchange about apologetical.

01:07:52.000 No, I mean, so I mean, I don't even know if we're different on it, but help.

01:07:58.000 So let's say you're talking to Bill Maher, and he says the Bible's not true.

01:08:03.000 How would the best way to respond be?

01:08:05.000 I would ask him, what is?

01:08:07.000 He said, this marijuana is true.

01:08:10.000 I would say, you're sure of that?

01:08:12.000 You're high, you know.

01:08:15.000 And he'll say, oh, yeah, I am.

01:08:18.000 And he'll once again.

01:08:19.000 I mean, Maher is like Hitchens was, where he gets off, he's got a dumb.

01:08:25.000 He's very slick.

01:08:26.000 He's very slick and very witty.

01:08:27.000 Incredibly.

01:08:28.000 And will win the crowd with the joke.

01:08:30.000 Totally.

01:08:31.000 When the point he's making is just totally lame.

01:08:34.000 I completely agree with you.

01:08:35.000 So that's where I struggle.

01:08:36.000 I struggled with the clever comedian.

01:08:39.000 And I'm pretty quick, but I mean, he's very quick.

01:08:41.000 50 years of comedy.

01:08:42.000 So what you do in this is say, let's talk as though both sides have to give an account of what they believe is fundamentally true.

01:08:53.000 Okay?

01:08:54.000 So if he says, I don't, ultimately, he has to be a relativist.

01:08:57.000 Atheists have to be a relativist.

01:08:59.000 And he somewhat acknowledges that.

01:09:00.000 Right.

01:09:01.000 So how can you say that what I'm saying is false?

01:09:05.000 You don't know what's true.

01:09:07.000 You can't call something crooked if you don't know what straight is.

01:09:11.000 Basically, people like to say, I'm an agnostic.

01:09:14.000 And I would say, well, let's use the Latin word for that, which is ignoramus.

01:09:20.000 Right?

01:09:20.000 Without knowledge.

01:09:21.000 An agnostic is either, an agnostic is either, I don't know, I wish I did, and that's a seeker. 1.00

01:09:30.000 There's, I don't know, I don't know, and I don't care, which is sort of the frat boy approach.

01:09:37.000 Don't bother me.

01:09:39.000 And then there's the dogmatic agnostic who says, I don't know, you don't know, nobody can know.

01:09:45.000 That would be his position.

01:09:46.000 Right.

01:09:46.000 And I'd say, do you know that?

01:09:50.000 How do you know that?

01:09:53.000 You're telling me that there may or may not be a God, but if there's a God, he is the kind of being who cannot be known by us.

01:10:00.000 And I'd say, what Sunday school did you learn that in?

01:10:04.000 You just made a claim about God.

01:10:06.000 You just told me that God cannot reveal himself.

01:10:09.000 How do you learn this great mystery about God and God's inabilities?

01:10:13.000 So a dogmatic agnostic is assuming things from the Christian religion.

01:10:20.000 He's assuming the objectivity of truth.

01:10:23.000 How does that usually go?

01:10:24.000 I mean, where does that conversation usually lead?

01:10:27.000 It usually leads to people remembering they have an appointment.

01:10:32.000 Or making a joke.

01:10:34.000 You and I should have talked beforehand.

01:10:34.000 Or making a joke.

01:10:36.000 But yeah, I think that's the best way.

01:10:38.000 I don't know how successful it would have been given his slippery nature.

01:10:42.000 But inevitably, it will get to an agreement that saying that there is that you don't know is actually a truth claim.

01:10:48.000 Correct.

01:10:49.000 C.S. Lewis says in Miracles, his book Miracles, you can argue with a man who says, rice is unwholesome, but he says you don't have to argue with a man who says, rice is unwholesome, but I'm not saying this is true.

01:11:03.000 The atheist has to say, there are no absolutes.

01:11:06.000 And then do you believe that absolute?

01:11:08.000 Is that an absolute?

01:11:09.000 Yeah, he would say the only absolute that he believes in is that we don't know.

01:11:13.000 Okay, so where'd you get that absolute?

01:11:15.000 Yeah.

01:11:16.000 You can't, that's a quip.

01:11:18.000 He's giving a witticism.

01:11:20.000 Sure.

01:11:20.000 This is the only absolute.

01:11:21.000 And I'd say, okay, well, let's pursue that.

01:11:23.000 Where did you get that absolute?

01:11:25.000 Why should I listen to you?

01:11:27.000 You're just meat, bones, and protoplasm.

01:11:30.000 You're saying these things because your body chemistry is time, chance, acting on matter is making you say stuff.

01:11:38.000 I have no reason to believe that there's any correlation between what you're saying and what's actually happening in the world.

01:11:44.000 On your supposition.

01:11:46.000 So let's talk about Jesus.

01:11:51.000 I tried.

01:11:53.000 Thank you.

01:11:53.000 That was very helpful.

01:11:54.000 Thank you.

01:11:55.000 So once you leave, how does that grow?

01:11:59.000 Where does it go?

01:12:00.000 college yeah once you've left the college yeah and they're left to their own devices yeah uh how does that hopefully i communicate with them in their devices right so um Well, that college, how does it convert from being a feminist institution into something truth-forward? 0.99

01:12:20.000 Got it.

01:12:20.000 So how do we redeem colleges is part of the question, I guess.

01:12:23.000 I don't think they are redeemable.

01:12:25.000 I don't.

01:12:25.000 I think they have to be metaphorically and yeah, let's just say metaphorically burned to the ground.

01:12:34.000 I got a visit from the FBI over a joke like that.

01:12:39.000 Kash Patel will not be visiting my home anytime soon.

01:12:42.000 Or Dan Bongino.

01:12:44.000 I say metaphorically.

01:12:46.000 Look, I don't think colleges are redeemable.

01:12:48.000 I think that they are, without a doubt, some of the most broken, secular, demonic, satanic, influenced institutions in our country.

01:12:57.000 And this idea that we're going to somehow change the campuses, I think we got to build new better ones.

01:13:03.000 And I think people will flock to those.

01:13:05.000 Yes.

01:13:06.000 Thank you.

01:13:07.000 I had, it's a three-part question, but mostly, is there a place for assisted reproductive technology in Christian living?

01:13:13.000 That's the first part of my question.

01:13:14.000 The second is IVF.

01:13:15.000 Yes, IVF, surrogacy, kind of everything in that.

01:13:17.000 And then would you, based on that answer, agree or disagree with the statement that any ART is commercialization of children?

01:13:29.000 So surrogacy.

01:13:30.000 Yeah, well, kind of any of it.

01:13:32.000 And then my third part of the question is, does my pastor agree with you?

01:13:35.000 Okay.

01:13:38.000 I did a whole shtick on IVF.

01:13:41.000 I got a lot of problems with it.

01:13:43.000 I don't know if it should be illegal or legal.

01:13:45.000 I would never do it.

01:13:46.000 The discarding of human embryos is a serious problem.

01:13:48.000 It's a human rights violation.

01:13:50.000 Let me tell you, I'm not going to tell you, you guys could talk about all the problems, but let me tell you why I struggle with it.

01:13:57.000 It is in intent the opposite of an abortion clinic.

01:14:01.000 Because these are the people that want kids, not want to kill kids.

01:14:07.000 I struggle with that.

01:14:08.000 Number two, infertility is shown to be the second most mentally trying thing a family can go through other than cancer.

01:14:16.000 If you ever dealt with it, I, praise the Lord, have not.

01:14:19.000 Can be very, very difficult.

01:14:20.000 Thirdly, I meet some of these IVF kids and they're wonderful.

01:14:23.000 They're incredible.

01:14:24.000 I mean, they show up to my events and they're like, I'm a product of IVF.

01:14:27.000 So I got to kind of reconcile with that.

01:14:29.000 But the problems with it are very significant.

01:14:32.000 Number one, it's Brave New World, Aldous Huxley stuff, where we can just make life in a laboratory.

01:14:36.000 I have a big problem with that.

01:14:37.000 I really do.

01:14:38.000 Number two, the discarding of the human embryos.

01:14:40.000 Number three, this idea that we're going to, oh, we're going to try to put six up against the wall and if two stick, great, you know, four lives get ruined.

01:14:46.000 Oof, I got a big problem with that as well.

01:14:48.000 And it is the absolute inverse also of birth control.

01:14:51.000 Birth control is sex without life.

01:14:54.000 IVF is life without sex.

01:14:56.000 And it comes from, I think, the same spirit that we do not need to actually consummate in order to have human life.

01:15:02.000 So it's the further deterioration of what sex is meant to be in the Bible.

01:15:07.000 With that being said, I don't judge or think any less of Christians that use IVF.

01:15:13.000 When I talk to them, they're almost always in a state of desperation.

01:15:18.000 So I pray for them.

01:15:19.000 I personally would never do it, but be curious what the pastor has to say.

01:15:23.000 Yeah, I agree with the problems he outlined.

01:15:26.000 I agree with all of those and sympathize with the reasons why people are attracted to it.

01:15:31.000 But I think it's just bad all the way through.

01:15:35.000 So I believe it ought to be against the law.

01:15:38.000 I think we've painted ourselves into a corner.

01:15:41.000 We are technologically sophisticated, technological geniuses, and ethical morons.

01:15:48.000 And we ought not to be in this position tinkering with things.

01:15:53.000 It's like these people have never watched a science fiction movie.

01:15:57.000 Gattaca.

01:15:58.000 Don't you know what happens?

01:16:00.000 The spooky music happens right around here.

01:16:04.000 Just because we can doesn't mean we should.

01:16:06.000 That's right.

01:16:07.000 And I believe that we should not until we absolutely know and are centered and grounded on God's word.

01:16:14.000 And surrogacy, I'm a hard nail.

01:16:16.000 That's wombs for sale. 1.00

01:16:18.000 And almost surrogacy is almost always now done for commercial reasons of people that just don't want to have more kids, but they want to have more kids.

01:16:26.000 Thank you so much.

01:16:27.000 Thank you.

01:16:27.000 Hi.

01:16:28.000 You've touched on the topic before that Christians or even conservatives are often met with hatred or judgment for expressing or even acknowledging their beliefs.

01:16:38.000 So what would your encouragement or advice be to the young believers of my generation on owning, advocating, and expressing our faith in a way that won't push people away, but rather touch lives?

01:16:49.000 Blessed are those who are persecuted.

01:16:51.000 And so look, being persecuted is a blessing.

01:16:53.000 I think the pastor might agree with this.

01:16:55.000 If you aren't currently being condemned, death threats, being trying to run out of town, you're not fighting hard enough.

01:17:00.000 I mean that.

01:17:01.000 I mean, look, you got to be boundary pushing.

01:17:03.000 You have to be trying to, you could tell a lot of a man based on the enemies that you earn.

01:17:07.000 So just look, in James 1, it talks all about the blessed persecution.

01:17:12.000 Jesus talked about it as well.

01:17:13.000 And so just take heart in the Lord, and it'll make you a stronger believer and Christian.

01:17:18.000 Be bold, confess the faith, stand up for what you believe.

01:17:24.000 And I'm afraid we have to cut it off there.

01:17:26.000 So thank you again, Charlie Kirk.

01:17:28.000 Thank you guys so much.

The Charlie Kirk Show - February 01, 2026

Sunday: "Women Will Follow Where Men Lead" — Charlie on the Man Rampant Podcast

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