Charlie Kirk is the CEO and Founder of Turning Point USA, the largest pro-American student organization in the country, fighting for the future of our republic. He grew up in the suburbs of Chicago in the 1960s and early '70s. He was a Christian first and grew into a conservative when he was introduced to the Lord in 5th grade.
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00:03:11.000Really, it started at first diagnosing a problem.
00:03:14.000So as a senior in high school leading into my first year at Turning Point USA, I saw that young people were going very much in the liberal direction, nothing new, but so dramatically that there was not a counter opinion or a counterpoint ever presented.
00:03:28.000And I had this crazy idea that conservatism can be spread and communicated in a much more appealing way than it otherwise has been, especially on college campuses.
00:03:39.000And I would go to campuses in 2013, 14, 15 with no money, no connections, no idea what I was doing, with literally just a card table, just arguing with kids, no film crew, just like arguing with kids.
00:03:52.000And I would get like one kid, you know, that I would find a conservative.
00:03:55.000We'd start a turning point group from that.
00:04:09.000And thanks to the Lord's blessing and his providence and his grace, we started to see it grow and we started to see it start to gain some traction.
00:04:17.000Met then businessman Donald Trump in 2016.
00:04:20.000We became friends, got to know his son.
00:04:25.000We started to continue to grow as these campuses became more and more Marxist secular islands of totalitarianism, quite honestly.
00:04:34.000And, you know, at Turning Point USA was kind of standing against it.
00:04:37.000And then this last two years was just God's really his greatest blessing to us.
00:04:42.000I believe we stepped up for the moment.
00:04:45.000Really, there were very few people that were willing to stand by President Trump when all that was happening, the indictments and all kind of the law fair around him.
00:04:53.000Especially no one thought that young people could move in President Trump's direction.
00:05:26.000And they were very masculine of guys that were otherwise not politically affiliated at all.
00:05:31.000We started to see this young male undercurrent of they were thirsting and they were hungering for a different cultural, political, and eventually theological and spiritual perspective.
00:05:42.000And yeah, look, long story short, glory be to God, we did 55 campus stops myself personally over the span of 14 months.
00:05:50.000We reached over 3 billion people on social media.
00:05:52.000Maybe you've seen the videos on TikTok, Instagram, X, and YouTube.
00:05:56.000Polling, independent and liberal polling shows that our organization was the most consequential in moving young people's opinion.
00:06:04.000And of every demographic group, baby boomers actually went three points more in Kamala Harris's direction.
00:06:10.000Younger voters over 20 points in Donald Trump's direction in November.
00:06:14.000And praise God that we were able to play a small role getting him back in the White House.
00:06:19.000So your approach from right now to high school on, right?
00:06:24.000Were you self-consciously building an organization or were you just you and your card table?
00:08:20.000We were really bothered by what happened in the 2020 election that Donald Trump didn't get the electoral votes from Arizona.
00:08:26.000So we said, hey, can we do the ground game better?
00:08:28.000So we hired well over 1,000 full-time people on the ground in Arizona to do what we call ballot chasing, which is the grassroots grittiness hustlework of politics.
00:08:54.000And this is going to be a through line of our conversation.
00:08:57.000We did something that the media thought was insane.
00:09:00.000In fact, if you ever have spare time, you could look at all the articles attacking Turning Point about a year ago, making fun of our strategy.
00:09:39.000See who shows up and see why they're showing up and what they're saying and how they're communicating.
00:09:43.000And what I realized very quickly, we were a little head of the curve, is my goodness, there is a course correction of young men that want to resist and reject the hyper-feminine, dare I say, toxically feminine culture that has taken over Americans.
00:11:10.000So in this, when you go out to these campuses, you said earlier that conservatives were not presenting.
00:11:21.000Part of your motivation was that conservatives were not presenting the message in a way that was attractive or compelling.
00:11:30.000But your style is confrontational, right?
00:11:34.000Is there something, and mainstream or conservative Inc. believes in PR, believes in winsomeness, which translates into giving away the store, right?
00:11:49.000How do you combine what's clearly an effective and winsome strategy that is simultaneously confrontational?
00:12:01.000I try to be better at it than not, which is how do I have love and truth on a college campus, have an open mic for kids that need to hear it.
00:12:10.000And the honest truth is I try to do as Jesus did in the public square, which is to show mercy where appropriate, but also have uncompromising truth standards.
00:12:22.000And so the old way of doing things on campuses, and this is where it's so wrong, and I can't believe I, for a short period of time, I used to believe it, and then I dismissed it, which is that, okay, kids are liberal, therefore we have to go present a more liberal message to them and water down our beliefs.
00:12:38.000In reality, what they enjoy more than anything else is like the most provocative truth claim that you could say is like, men can't give birth.
00:12:47.000Like, whoa, you can get 2,000 people into an auditorium for saying that, right?
00:12:53.000What I'm getting at is that I'll give you an issue that I'm an unapologetic advocate of, despite the fact that I'm in the political minority, which is to fight for the unborn.
00:13:05.000I am resolutely pro-life in every possible circumstance, and that's not popular.
00:13:10.000But the crowds we draw around that is amazing.
00:13:14.000And so I think to myself, I don't know if I would actually get as much attention if I was just kind of like an uncompromising squish, but like, well, I think it's just a woman's, you know, my body, my choice.
00:13:24.000That's actually not that interesting because they could hear that from their local professor.
00:13:27.000What all of a sudden gets their attention is like, did he just say that there should be no exceptions for abortion?
00:13:46.000Why does the size, level, development, environment, or degree dependency of a baby matter of its moral worth?
00:13:51.000And like, I've never heard this before.
00:13:52.000And I don't want to try to brag too much on what we've kind of stumbled into here, but I think this is the direction that online content and young people are demanding.
00:14:02.000Less kind of just like being in a studio reading a teleprompter and get out in the streets, find the best ideas, let them kind of confront each other, and let anybody say anything they want at any time.
00:14:17.000C.S. Lewis observed somewhere, I forget where, that when unbelievers or atheists become Christians, they almost never become liberal Christians.
00:14:31.000They think something like, if I'm going to do something crazy, I'm going to go to the deep end.
00:14:37.000I'm going to go to Christians, the kind of Christianity where they actually believe things.
00:14:43.000And Eugene Genovese, who was a Marxist writer who became a Christian later, said that during his atheist days, he said, whenever I was in the presence of a liberal Christian, I always had that deep assured feeling that I was in the presence of a fellow unbeliever.
00:15:03.000So if I'm going to ditch my unbelief, why would I move to a murky formula?
00:15:10.000If I'm going to be a Christian, I want to be a Christian Christian.
00:15:13.000And you've seen that play out, like the stark claims of Christ.
00:15:18.000And I just, we are seeing more interest for the gospel, more interest for spiritual things.
00:15:25.000Because think about the world that so many of these kids at University of Idaho or Washington State were raised into just the last four years.
00:15:32.000Every secular institution failed them and some religious, by the way, but every major power center has lied to them about almost everything that's involved them.
00:15:41.000from COVID to the vaccine to mask mandates to the economy to speech to gender norms to sexuality.
00:15:50.000So you have the most depressed, suicidal, alcohol-addicted generation history that is also the most secular.
00:15:56.000Something here doesn't necessarily fit.
00:15:57.000So all of a sudden there's this group of us, and I include you in this, Pastor, and I'm a big admirer of yours, that is speaking truth all of a sudden into this broken culture.
00:16:07.000And they're like, I've never heard that.
00:17:43.000They actually want to hear about the cultural stuff.
00:17:46.000No one is telling these people to save themselves from marriage.
00:17:48.000No one is rejecting the premise that you shouldn't actually, like abortion is not like a normal thing.
00:17:55.000And I say, and it pains me to say this, but some of these kids on these campuses, they think like getting abortion is like getting a haircut.
00:18:37.000That if you have gender dysphoria, it's a brain problem, not a body problem.
00:18:41.000We should not have these treatments for anybody, period, especially not minors.
00:18:45.000And I think personally, the medical establishment has not earned our trust to have any treatment for anybody of any age for this, period, whether you're 25 or whether you're 30, I think there should be a full suspension of quote unquote gender affirming care for people in this country.
00:18:59.000So all that to say, transgenderism gets them very worked up.
00:19:03.000And then almost inevitably, they will then come because I will say things like, it's a blessing to be here.
00:19:10.000So eventually they're like, wait a second, are you like one of those Christians?
00:19:15.000And then, yeah, which by the way, I was telling Pastor here, I think I win the award for the greatest podcast contrast in a 24-hour period.
00:21:03.000And then, but when you look at the transgender world, someone who's grounded in the Christian worldview and what the Bible teaches about human sexuality and humanity, these people are broken puppies.
00:21:17.000They're just, they're just, they've been lied to and starved for spiritual truth, and they've sort of come to the end of the road.
00:21:27.000And I think there's a maternal instinct that kicks in where the women feel like to oppose transgenderism is like kicking puppies.
00:22:24.000Women look at what the consensus of the times are, and they're very good at enforcing whatever the norm is.
00:22:31.000By the way, when Christianity was the dominant view of America, it was women that were enforcing that.
00:22:36.000So the women were the ones that were the backbone of American Christianity, especially on the hyper-local rural level all throughout the country.
00:22:47.000Women generally are far more agreeable than they are disagreeable.
00:22:51.000And when it comes to transgenderism, there is high social cost, which women do not like risking social capital as it is, for opposing transgenderism.
00:23:04.000Women are far less likely to not want to be part of a community than men, just as a fact.
00:23:10.000I think the maternal instinct is right.
00:23:13.000In addition, though, transgenderism is the logical endpoint of feminism, if you understand feminism.
00:23:21.000Feminism is this idea of no distinctions between male and female sexuality.
00:23:27.000The first claim of Gloria Steinman in the feminine mystique is essentially that like men can do everything, women can do everything that men do, and I need to be liberated from this oppression of being a homemaker, right?
00:23:41.000And so fundamentally, transgenderism is the climax of that.
00:23:45.000After 50 years, it's like, okay, you say everyone's the same, then fine.
00:23:49.000Men can become women and women can become men because there's nothing actually intuitively or instinctively different between the sexes.
00:23:59.000We're honored to be partnering with Alan Jackson Ministries.
00:24:02.000And today, I want to point you to their podcast.
00:24:04.000It's called Culture in Christianity, the Allen Jackson Podcast.
00:24:08.000What makes it unique is Pastor Allen's biblical perspective.
00:24:12.000He takes the truth from the Bible and applies it to issues we're facing today: gender confusion, abortion, immigration, Doge, Trump in the White House, issues in the church.
00:25:50.000And you can't go down to Congress and say, vote for this or do that or do the other thing when the juggernaut of a continent full of anemic worship and compromised, corrupted culture is behind this measure, whatever it is, pushing.
00:26:10.000I mean, what we worship in the West are the pagan gods of old that have just largely been repurposed.
00:26:16.000And I mean, I know you do a great job of this because I read your book, Christendom, and I also love, I am a Canon Plus subscriber as well, which is honoring the Sabbath.
00:26:30.000It's actually my next book, all about the Sabbath.
00:26:32.000I think it's the most forgotten commandment by Western Christianity by far.
00:26:37.000And it is designed primarily for worship.
00:26:40.000And so you think about it, we've basically eliminated honoring the Sabbath.
00:26:44.000It says very clearly, for six days you shall work and for the seventh day you shall rest.
00:26:48.000Very clearly, that seventh day is designed for worshiping God who created the heavens and the earth.
00:27:32.000And we're supposed to keep the Sabbath day holy.
00:27:35.000And if the Sabbath is not different than the other six days, then you are violating the Sabbath.
00:27:40.000my dad said my dad was born in 1927 he said when he was a boy in nebraska uh on the lord's day on the first day of the week the stores would like the the pharmacies would rotate which pharmacy stayed open yep and And the grocery stores would, the town would shut down, hardware store would be closed, clothing store would be closed, the necessity stores, pharmacy, grocery store, that sort of thing, they would rotate who stayed open.
00:28:10.000And that was just part of the culture.
00:28:13.000When I was in the Navy in the 1970s, I was stationed in Norfolk, Virginia, and there was a referendum in Virginia in the 70s trying to get rid of the Sabbath laws, the blue laws.
00:28:26.000The blue laws, which were still on the books and still enforced in the 1970s.
00:28:33.000And we've gone from, Jesus said that man was not made for the Sabbath, but the Sabbath was made for man.
00:28:41.000And we have bought into this frenetic 24-7 pace where you need amphetamines to keep going after a while.
00:28:49.000Yeah, and so a couple, again, I could literally talk for an hour on the Sabbath.
00:28:53.000It's a passionate topic of mine, or the Shabbat, if you prefer.
00:28:57.000Look, the Hebrew word for work is malaka, which is a very specific word.
00:29:02.000You are only supposed to do that for six days.
00:29:05.000The only difference between Deuteronomy and Exodus, where they repeat the Ten Commandments, is the Sabbath.
00:29:11.000When Moses repeats the Ten Commandments in the book of Deuteronomy, he says, of course, for six days you shall work, for the seventh day you shall rest.
00:29:17.000And then he says, for you are no longer slaves in Egypt.
00:29:40.000But look, I will just also say, in a modern culture, truly honoring the Sabbath, how I honor it, I turn off my phone completely for 36 hours.
00:29:52.000It's my own liking, whatever, from Friday night to Sunday morning.
00:29:56.000And I could tell you, it's really hard.
00:29:59.000And you have to almost fight your flesh to do it, to not want to return an email, to not want to return a text message.
00:30:06.000And because in some ways, you're worshiping with your time.
00:30:10.000You're saying that I'm sanctifying this space.
00:30:13.000It is a standing appointment with our creator saying that you matter so much, I'm going to give one seventh of my week to you in glory and worship.
00:30:23.000And the modern church, unfortunately, does not even worship the God that you and I would consider to be, you know, the God of the heavens and the earth.
00:30:35.000It's a broken, fragmented American Christian church.
00:30:38.000How do you answer the charge that you have been co-opted by a politician, the politician Trump or the Republican Party?
00:30:50.000Or do you go around making Republicans happy?
00:31:11.000Let me tell you right now, you guys deserve better senators.
00:31:13.000The fact that there's not outspread applause, because you guys are like, no, good.
00:31:18.000So no one can criticize me just to kind of carry the water the Republican Party, okay?
00:31:23.000But I can tell you right now, you have two warmongering senators here in this state that sent a lot of money to Ukraine and didn't do anything to try to close the southern border when Biden was president.
00:31:31.000Anyway, besides that, they're great people.
00:31:44.000I will bring what I know to be true into the political domain.
00:31:47.000And I believe we as Christians are called to be counselors to the king, you know, to be counselor to the politician, as Daniel was or Mordecai, that if I can influence for moral and righteous or good purposes, I mean, it was pretty awesome when I was able to, in the early days of this administration, advocate to President Trump, hey, I really think you should pardon all these pro-lifers that are in jail right now for the FACE Act.
00:32:14.000Now, I don't deserve credit, to be perfectly clear.
00:32:19.000I don't deserve credit for that, but it was really confirming that all that advocacy gave me proximity to a man with a pen that was able to get all these amazing pro-life warriors out of prison.
00:32:30.000It was pretty awesome when JD asked me, he's like, hey, should I speak at the March for Life?
00:32:35.000So just little things like that where I can use the proximity that the Lord has given me to try to push for things that I believe are pleasing to the Lord.
00:32:43.000Little things that are actually enormous things.
00:32:46.000But by little, I mean that they add up, meaning that they are daily decisions that need to be made.
00:33:00.000We need an executive order prohibiting gender-affirming care for minors.
00:33:04.000We need an executive order saying only men in female sports.
00:33:07.000And so I, amongst many other great voices, are trying to be that counselor to the king, counselor to the president that I believe is a biblical role.
00:33:16.000So back, if we rewind in the history of North American conservatism, William Buckley, when he was just out of Yale, wrote God and Man at Yale and sort of wound up launching the modern conservative resurgence that culminated in the election of Reagan.
00:33:37.000Part of that project was the fusionist project of Meyer, of Hawks, you know, anti-libertarianism, neoconservatism.
00:33:49.000So you had like three major strands bundled up together in this fusionist project.
00:33:57.000The Hawks wanted to defeat Russia and the Soviet Union and the Cold War, and the culture warriors were concerned about the morality, and then the free market guys wanted less regulations and all that.
00:34:12.000I'm sure you're up against some of the similar currents.
00:34:16.000If you looked at Turning Point, what kind, it's obviously a conservative activist organization.
00:34:23.000Is it one of those strands or another one?
00:34:35.000It's probably eclectic because, look, we're a membership organization.
00:34:38.000And then a lot of what Turning Point espouses are my beliefs.
00:34:41.000So I'll tell you what I believe and then it kind of goes downstream from there, which is like, look, I'm first and foremost a Christian, and I need to just repeat that, right?
00:34:50.000I believe that we want a strong country.
00:35:03.000I think that our own borders matter a lot more than the borders of a foreign country.
00:35:07.000And I think it's long past time that our leaders would start to prioritize the well-being of our own citizens, not those of foreign nations.
00:35:18.000So you can call that a nationalist, you can call that a conservative or whatever.
00:35:21.000Where I am involved in a very serious and spirited battle, which goes to my prior comment about your senators, is that I think neoconservatism has no place in the Republican Party.
00:35:32.000And that's where a lot of people get upset.
00:35:44.000Literally, it's a branch of Trotskyism, which is to believe that America exists primarily as a global empire to go and try and tell other countries what to do and how to do it.
00:35:56.000We're going to invade the world, and then we will invite the world.
00:36:00.000That America is a colony and will be a series of colonies.
00:36:05.000We reject this because neoconservatism prioritizes GDP over God.
00:36:11.000Neoconservatism prioritizes mass migration over the well-being of native-born Americans.
00:36:16.000Neoconservatism will say that by all means necessary, we must use force, and around every corner, there's a dragon waiting to destroy us.
00:36:25.000We need to have war with Russia, war with Iran.
00:36:28.000We need to be sable-rattling around every corner.
00:36:30.000And I ask people, has that worked the last 20 years?
00:36:33.000George W. Bush is a perfect example of a neoconservative, okay?
00:36:36.000That is like, he's basically, him and Liz Cheney and Dick Cheney is like central casting.
00:36:42.000The Iraq war, I think, was a disaster.
00:36:46.000The war in Afghanistan was, I think, prosecuted incorrectly, never should have been a long nation-building, you know, kind of change the hearts and minds of the people of Afghanistan war.
00:36:56.000So in that fusionism, I look at those kids on a college campus.
00:37:01.000I think to myself, they deserve better than leaders that are trying to get them closer to an unnecessary Third World War, while simultaneously not embracing this idea that the American foreign policy project has, at its best of the last 20 years, been overly aggressive.
00:37:19.000At its worst, actually sowed the seeds of our own demise.
00:37:22.000Look at Elon Omar, who we don't like, who's in Congress.
00:37:33.000So we bring a bunch of Somalians into our country because we're told we must have mass migration.
00:37:37.000So one is a prerequisite to the other.
00:37:39.000And so the Republican Party has a lot of different views on big issues, but neoconservatism at its core, where they are trying to stoke conflict where it shouldn't exist, where they care more about foreign nations other than our own.
00:37:55.000Would you say the DNA of, as you're defining neoconservative, the DNA of it is globalist?
00:38:01.000Yes, that is a great, another term for it.
00:38:04.000It's one that looks at the great American empire, gay, G-A-E, that its spheres of influence goes all the way from Ukraine.
00:38:14.000You're like, hold on, time out, time out.
00:38:18.000Here's the problem with neoconservatism.
00:38:20.000Neoconservatism is highly obsessed with the enrichment of the capital class and is completely ignoring of the well-being of its own citizens.
00:38:29.000You see this best on display when you have homeless people that are vets that can't get care.
00:38:35.000You see this on display of mass drug overdoses and we have to be lectured that the greatest enemy to America is Vladimir Putin.
00:38:41.000I'm sorry, that's not the greatest enemy to America, by any means necessary.
00:38:46.000But a much bigger problem than Vladimir Putin is the American left that has ignored and left people behind or public sector teacher unions.
00:39:13.000as opposed to what President Trump is currently doing to the Houthis.
00:39:17.000So the Houthis are attacking shipping going through the Red Sea, and we've said we're not going to try to build anything in Yemen.
00:39:26.000We're blowing things up until they stop shooting at the ships.
00:39:31.000Would you say, yeah, that's an area where I differ with Trump, or do you see that a distinction between sort of an aggressive, short, defensive action like that versus nation-building projects?
00:39:45.000I totally see what Trump's doing there.
00:39:46.000I don't know enough about it to have a strong, I don't know the complexities.
00:39:50.000I think that we should exercise caution when meddling in other countries' affairs.
00:39:54.000But I'll just be very honest with you, something that I'm against.
00:39:57.000I don't think we should bomb Iranian nuclear facilities.
00:41:10.000They'll say, oh, come on, why can't you bring a bunch of people in Somalia?
00:41:14.000Why can't you bring a bunch of people from Gaza?
00:41:16.000Why can't you bring a bunch of people from Syria in?
00:41:19.000And we know that you cannot bring people from the third world.
00:41:22.000You bring in the third world, you become the third world.
00:41:25.000I'd be willing to bring people in from Gaza if we put them in Martha's Vineyard.
00:41:30.000And they won't be received there, that's for sure.
00:41:35.000But no, I just, it says very clearly in the scriptures, demand the welfare of the nation that you are in, because your welfare is your nation's welfare.
00:41:46.000And I know that as I speak for our nation's young people, I have known, just you understand my passionate perspective on this, from my earliest memory, we have been a nation at war.
00:42:29.000So there's Trump clearly believes in a strong military, but he also believes that there's bloat excess and all kinds of dirty deeds going on in Pentagon contracts.
00:42:52.000And so when we say no to endless war, we're saying no to the globalist enterprise, no to the idea that we are somehow the savior of the world.
00:43:03.000So on immigration, there are evangelical leaders who used to have a lot more authority to speak maybe seven or eight years ago than they do now.
00:43:14.000The New York Times, when they wanted to talk to an evangelical, would call up Russ Moore or David French or someone like that and say, what's the evangelical take on this?
00:43:25.000And the evangelical elite was also in favor of open borders and very loose immigration policy.
00:43:35.000And the illustration I've used for this is imagine a Christian couple with a couple kids of their own, and they take in two foster kids, and they're doing very well with the four, and everybody's thriving and happy.
00:43:49.000And then one day a short bus from the state shows up with 28 extra foster kids, and they dump off 28 more foster kids.
00:43:58.000And the father objects, and then one of the evangelical leaders says, I think that you're not showing an ethic of hospitality here.
00:44:07.000Christians should love their neighbors.
00:44:09.000Christians should be open to foster children.
00:44:13.000And he could say, well, I was open to them, and I was taking good care of the two, which I thought we could do.
00:45:52.000And so, and finally, as we care about the nation, I just, I think the charitable way of looking at it is so right.
00:45:59.000I think there is this kind of like guilt complex that seeps into evangelicalism, which is that, well, everyone says America's awful and we're going to atone to our sins by allowing everybody that wants to come in here at all times.
00:46:12.000While they're actually not loving their neighbor, they're importing a foreigner.
00:46:19.000They're very slow to actually go help their neighbor who's an American, but somehow they want to go bring in like a Honduran or a Vietnamese, which again, if you have a good heart for that, terrific, that's fine.
00:46:30.000But a fact is this, is that America is collapsing because we are a nation of strangers.
00:46:39.000We have different cultural backgrounds.
00:46:41.000And one that I think we can all agree on as Christians, we should look at Europe with shock and with awe and say that Islam is incompatible with Western civilization.
00:47:00.000And the number one birth name in London, in Birmingham, in Edinburgh is Muhammad.
00:47:06.000They seek to conquer and to grow and to explode their influence.
00:47:11.000And they're very good at it because Islam, you know, we as Christians, we kind of dance around like, is there a political doctrine for Christianity or not?
00:47:18.000And, you know, Islam makes no apology that it is a nakedly political ideology that's disguised as a religion.
00:47:49.000Maybe if we didn't have kids that are on the pill with birth control, we wouldn't need to import a massive amount of third worlders into our country.
00:47:57.000And so, look, I'm of the opinion that we should have a full pause on immigration, both legal and illegal.
00:48:03.000We have way too many people in this country right now.
00:48:19.000And its failure to do that has really led to the rise of Donald Trump.
00:48:25.000We're honored to be partnering with Alan Jackson Ministries.
00:48:28.000And today, I want to point you to their podcast.
00:48:30.000It's called Culture in Christianity, the Allen Jackson Podcast.
00:48:34.000What makes it unique is Pastor Allen's biblical perspective.
00:48:38.000He takes the truth from the Bible and applies it to issues we're facing today, gender confusion, abortion, immigration, Doge, Trump in the White House, issues in the church.
00:50:21.000And so they're showing up at your events, and there are a lot of them.
00:50:26.000One downside, one challenge, with everything that happens, there's always going to be a temptation that accompanies it.
00:50:34.000And one of them here is that a lot of these young men are so disillusioned with everything that they have gone into some pretty dark corners of the internet and have started to listen to Jew hate conspiracy theories.
00:50:52.000And of course, we have the joke, you know, I'm going to need some new conspiracy theories because all of mine are coming true.
00:51:07.000And then there are the conspiracy theories that are people who just have eyes in their head and they don't believe the lies that are coming out of their television set.
00:51:39.000Just aside from the specific answer to the question one of them might ask, how would you address sort of the root cause of this young male rootlessness, fatherlessness that is resulting in adoption of some really bad political theologies?
00:51:59.000So I get asked frequently, why are men rebelling in such great numbers?
00:52:03.000There's a lot of answers, but one that is almost never mentioned, and I think I was the first one to present this, young men do not like taking orders from women.
00:52:37.000And then he all of a sudden shows up at age 18 at a college campus where some like childless 45-year-old cat woman is telling him that he's the problem because he's toxically masculine.
00:53:02.000It's just that that's not going to, you have to understand that young men in particular are trying to figure out how to become a man and not a boy.
00:53:13.000They're trying to understand also how to deal with physical violence.
00:53:18.000That's why young men without fathers are much more likely to engage in acts of violent crime, murder, arson, kidnapping, whatever, gang violence, because they've never actually had a male figure to have them wrestle with the idea, like, what is it actually, what is good use of force actually mean?
00:53:52.000And the entire constitution, the current constitution of the postmodernist view is that the worst thing that you can be in America is a white Anglo-Saxon Christian heterosexual male, of which I am one.
00:54:09.000So you're looking at like the chief villain.
00:54:11.000And the only way you can atone for that is by becoming a liberal or transitioning to become a woman.
00:54:52.000I mean, so The cultural paradigm right now is a rebellion of the men of the West.
00:54:59.000It's happening in every major country where young men are finding podcasts like ours.
00:55:05.000They're finding other information conduits that believe in nature, believe in God's design, believe that men should have to stand up for the vulnerable, create a family, provide for the family, have to protect the weak, to fight the battles of society, to go on an adventure.
00:55:27.000This is very appealing to young men when they hear it.
00:56:10.000He's pretty old, like 70 or something.
00:56:12.000Every young boy wants that call to adventure to leave his father's home and to go do something out in the wilderness, to do something of the world.
00:57:21.000It was like, no, he is the middle finger to all of the screeching hall monitors that have told me I have to use certain pronouns, that have told me that like I'm bad for existing, that have penalized me for my existence.
00:57:34.000And Trump is the big F you to the feminist establishment that has not been challenged my entire life.
00:59:07.000But there is, I don't think the Democrats will be able to be competitive in the Battleground States if they still stay married to their mass migration trans zealotry.
00:59:18.000If they allow the purple-haired jihadis to continue to run their party, I think they're going to be uncompetitive in the swing states.
00:59:30.000And I have a question kind of for you.
00:59:31.000I'd love to hear Pastor Wilson chime in on it as well.
00:59:34.000But I've heard Jordan Peterson say something to young men in particular, something along the lines of, if you're not going to college, you should do something as difficult or more difficult.
00:59:45.000One of the big topics you've been speaking on at college campuses is the idea that college is a scam.
01:00:34.000So then the men don't actually have to be impressive or work to get what they want because all the women are free and easy on these campuses.
01:01:21.000But I mean, I'll just tell you, I mean, like Washington State University, one of the first, you guys saw it, that professor that came up, he's a moron.
01:01:28.000Like, why would you spend money to learn from this guy?
01:01:31.000No, seriously, he's an anthropology or whatever sociology professor.
01:02:07.000The problem is at state colleges, they make you run the gauntlet of other gunk in order to get your engineering degree.
01:02:15.000So you have to be very selective and very picky.
01:02:18.000I have a friend who many years ago in his non-Christian days was a sociology major, and he got stoned out of his gourd and went and took his sociology final, and he aced it.
01:02:33.000And his conclusion was, I have got to change majors.
01:02:38.000So he went into microbiology and was converted later.
01:02:44.000But basically, men need to work hard, and they need a challenge, and they should not be left.
01:02:50.000An 18-year-old guy should not be left up to his own devices to seek out that which is hard because they're going to make the path of least resistance very, very easy for him.
01:03:21.000My question is, I noticed your co-op drink there.
01:03:26.000TPUSA works primarily on a national level.
01:03:30.000How can we fight local political battles?
01:03:34.000That's actually a better question for Doug, because I actually, I don't do a lot of local political battles.
01:03:38.000Like, I resist getting on my condo board.
01:03:41.000Because, by the way, that's vicious, just so we're just real quick.
01:03:44.000I would be curious what your answer is.
01:03:46.000So I would say that locally, we said earlier that culture is downstream from worship.
01:03:53.000I would say at the local level, you want to find a church that teaches the Bible, join it, throw yourself into the work of it, grow that community where the community becomes salt and light at a local level, such that non-believers notice.
01:04:12.000And then some of the controversies after that will start taking care of themselves.
01:04:50.000So my kids are well taught about feminism, and my sons and my daughters are.
01:04:54.000But for example, you mentioned women and sports.
01:04:57.000But you often don't hear about women that push into the Boy Scouts or women, and that's coming from women.
01:05:04.000And so I guess that's just a general question of what advice can you give me as a mom to try to make a difference?
01:05:11.000Not even for my kids, but maybe other young people that are just hearing lies.
01:05:16.000Yeah, I don't know if I have advice for you as a mom, but I'll just say some general stuff that I think might be helpful is that, first of all, I'm an Eagle Scout.
01:05:22.000So I could tell you, this is not hard.
01:05:24.000Boys need sex separate development spaces when they are trying to grow and mature.
01:07:18.000You shouldn't say it to your daughters.
01:07:19.000You should say you are uniquely gifted to do some things that men cannot do, and they're uniquely gifted to do some things that you cannot do.
01:10:49.000C.S. Lewis says in Miracles, his book Miracles, you can argue with a man who says, rice is unwholesome, but he says you don't have to argue with a man who says, rice is unwholesome, but I'm not saying this is true.
01:11:03.000The atheist has to say, there are no absolutes.
01:11:06.000And then do you believe that absolute?
01:12:00.000college yeah once you've left the college yeah and they're left to their own devices yeah uh how does that hopefully i communicate with them in their devices right so um Well, that college, how does it convert from being a feminist institution into something truth-forward?
01:14:38.000Number two, the discarding of the human embryos.
01:14:40.000Number three, this idea that we're going to, oh, we're going to try to put six up against the wall and if two stick, great, you know, four lives get ruined.
01:14:46.000Oof, I got a big problem with that as well.
01:14:48.000And it is the absolute inverse also of birth control.
01:16:18.000And almost surrogacy is almost always now done for commercial reasons of people that just don't want to have more kids, but they want to have more kids.
01:16:28.000You've touched on the topic before that Christians or even conservatives are often met with hatred or judgment for expressing or even acknowledging their beliefs.
01:16:38.000So what would your encouragement or advice be to the young believers of my generation on owning, advocating, and expressing our faith in a way that won't push people away, but rather touch lives?