In this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show, host, POP Buchanan speaks at the Educator Summit, a conference hosted by Turning Point USA and the founder of Turning Point Education, Dr. Hutz Hertzberg. He talks about the failure of modern education and what we can do to fix it.
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00:02:16.000I want to talk about two things in particular.
00:02:18.000The first of which is the greatest failure of modern education and what we should do to fix it and how far too often Christians fall into the trap.
00:02:27.000Now, I know you won't fall into the trap because you heard from our wonderful Turning Point Education gang, and then I'm going to talk just about some other real life implications.
00:02:35.000If you had to distill the biggest problem in modern education, it goes like this.
00:02:39.000It's that I do not want to impose upon my kid anything specific.
00:02:44.000We're going to have values-neutral education, and we're just going to kind of raise them with reading, writing, and arithmetic.
00:02:52.000We'll give them skills, but not values.
00:02:56.000This has penetrated so many schools, including supposed Christian schools in this country, and itself is actually a contradiction.
00:03:05.000Because saying that you will not teach values is a statement of value.
00:03:10.000There is no such thing as a valueless statement.
00:03:26.000In any environment when you're raising children, any environment when you have human beings, morals will always come through.
00:03:32.000So imagine if you're running a fourth-grade classroom and a kid steals a pencil.
00:03:36.000Does the teacher say that's perfectly fine?
00:03:38.000We don't do moral judgments around here.
00:03:40.000If the kid starts bullying somebody else, you know, we have anti-bullying campaigns across the country while simultaneously we're told that the education system is only about reading, writing, and arithmetic.
00:03:52.000Now, here's the problem, is that we have successfully pushed back on the left and the secular movement on DEI and wokeism and transgenderism, mainly because when you create a vacuum, when you get rid of God, Christianity, biblical truth, Western values, and you say we're just going to be a value-agnostic education system, that's how you get DEI and you get CRT.
00:04:15.000Because some viewpoint is going to fill that vacuum.
00:04:46.000Judgment is the greatest sin of the modern world.
00:04:50.000And incorporated in biblical Christian moral teaching is an idea that there is a right or a wrong and a good and an evil and a standard of ethical and moral behavior.
00:05:00.000That bothers some people because they're saying, well, who are you to tell a fourth grader how to act?
00:05:04.000That is the purpose of education, which is to tell a fourth grader how to act.
00:05:51.000That is something completely different.
00:05:53.000And far too often, we as Christians get very apprehensive because we feel as if we do not want to be judgy or we don't want to tell other people how to live.
00:06:04.000Everybody, we should bring everybody to the truth of the gospel.
00:06:07.000We should bring everybody to the scriptures.
00:06:09.000And that starts in Christian education.
00:06:13.000So the three questions, and you guys know all of these questions, and education should be talking about them all the time.
00:06:54.000So what the modern world has tried to do is they've tried to just only ask, answer the middle question and ignore the first and the third question.
00:07:04.000So they'll say, well, you're here just to kind of serve yourself.
00:07:07.000You're here to, the most generous interpretation of the Western secular world is, well, you're here to do good.
00:08:05.000By the way, just this morning, you know, we had over 25 students give their life to the Lord during the worship and praise concert this morning.
00:08:25.000Now, part of the problem is that far too often, and this is a good faith critique, modern evangelicalism spends way too much time on the third question.
00:08:37.000But if you're only heaven focused and not earth focused, then you're actually not fulfilling what Jesus told us to do.
00:08:45.000Now, separately, if you're only earth-focused and not heaven-focused, that is not at all what Jesus wants us to do because his kingdom is not of this world.
00:08:54.000This is one of the reasons why we as evangelicals have struggled to build institutions that last.
00:09:00.000It's why that Catholics have more primary schools.
00:09:03.000It's why that, you know, and I'm, you know, I have a soft spot for Catholics, but I'm not Catholic, more K through 12 education, is Catholic theology talks a lot more about number two, where in the evangelical world, they'll talk more about number three.
00:09:17.000And this, you know, especially now when things get kind of crazy in the news cycle, especially in the Middle East, number three becomes almost the only thing that is talked about, right?
00:09:53.000And so, but then it comes into education.
00:09:58.000And I think unintentionally in the modern Christian world that we kind of forsaken education because we are so heaven-focused.
00:10:08.000We should want to build educational institutions, educational movements that last and that are durable, that can go generation to generation, that can live longer to you.
00:10:19.000And if we, and if Jesus comes sooner, then praise the Lord, we were still doing righteous work in anticipation of his return.
00:10:27.000What do you want to be caught doing when Jesus returns?
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00:10:36.000It's called Culture and Christianity, the Allen Jackson Podcast.
00:10:40.000What makes it unique is Pastor Allen's biblical perspective.
00:10:43.000He takes the truth from the Bible and applies it to issues that we're facing today: gender confusion, abortion, immigration, Doge, Trump, and the White House, issues in the church.
00:11:33.000And so, the second question, the first one is very important, but that's one of the easier answered ones.
00:11:39.000But the second one, I find, is where all of a sudden so many Christians fail to then give young Christians action items of what to do.
00:11:50.000And I find this all the time with our Turning Point USA students.
00:11:53.000And they say, Charlie, at my local church, my local school, I was raised in, they will talk about the afterlife and bringing people to heaven, but they don't talk about family formation.
00:12:03.000They don't talk about fighting for the unborn.
00:12:05.000They don't talk about contesting for your nation or for standing up against evil.
00:12:11.000You see, I'm of the belief, and everyone has their calling, that we as Christians have not done a good enough job on why are we here.
00:12:20.000We've not done a good enough job on that the last 40 years.
00:12:23.000In fact, we don't even have the same answer.
00:12:26.000If you talk to some more liberal branches of Christianity, they say we are here to do social justice.
00:12:33.000They say that we are here to try to iron out the iniquities or to try to push forward of egalitarianism or to try to end racism or what ends up happening.
00:12:44.000And this is why wokeism has infiltrated the church and why woke is infiltrated Christian education.
00:12:50.000It's because while the conservatives are heaven-focused, the liberals in Christianity are earth-focused.
00:13:00.000So we're like, oh, yeah, yeah, you're taking over my school.
00:13:02.000No, no, no, I'm so focused on what's coming next.
00:13:04.000When all of a sudden we look around at some of our once great Christian colleges one by one have become liberal.
00:13:09.000And you know what I'm talking about, right?
00:13:12.000It's because we've kind of forsaken the immediate because we're so focused on what is coming next.
00:13:33.000Salt and light change things in the environment that they come in contact with.
00:13:37.000And so the reason why wokeism has infiltrated is that branch of theology or lack thereof is we have to do immediate action on this earth because social justice and social change is the most important thing.
00:13:50.000And they go even as far as to trying to undermine biblical inerrancy, as you can see.
00:13:54.000And they're like, oh, Jesus was more kind of like a political activist or a social teacher than he was the savior of the world.
00:14:02.000This is where education comes in, because education impacts all three parts of this, which is you must unabashedly reject when people put forward this modern lie of values neutral education.
00:14:16.000But secondly, you must, as a Christian educator, do not be afraid to talk about the nation, to talk about America, and to talk about liberty, talk about freedom.
00:14:29.000And this is what sometimes I'm so disappointed in.
00:14:33.000Is that so many good Christian kids went through the whole cycle of Christian education and they have no idea how precious this country is or what a constitutional republic is or what our history is.
00:14:46.000And so then what ends up happening is far too many of them will then fall prey to liberalism once they kind of go and enter into the world.
00:14:55.000Or they kind of have a, let's just say, a national agnostic Christianity.
00:15:03.000And so this is where turning point education comes in and it's so critically important, which is that we are Jesus focused and then second, liberty focused, America focused, citizen focused, because God calls us to care about our nation.
00:15:18.000And that combination, I'll be honest, is very, very hard to find right now in the education space.
00:15:24.000Instead, what I get is I get emails from parents on boards of Christian schools where they give a lot of money and they're told that you're not allowed to talk about, you know, CRT.
00:15:34.000You're not allowed to talk about transgenderism.
00:15:36.000And finally, everybody, if you don't equip your Christian youth to know why they are here and what they are fighting for, it might be when they're 20 or when they're 25 or when they're 30 and they might be living in Atlanta or Philadelphia or New York and you send them out into the world.
00:15:52.000Are they prepared to respond to a friend or a colleague or a boss that all of a sudden says, well, yeah, why don't you go march in the BLM parade?
00:16:04.000Do they know the rise of new paganism, of environmentalism, and the cult of anti-racism?
00:16:08.000Do they know that these are just counterfeit gods that we saw once in the Bible that are replicating itself in the West?
00:16:14.000And so the reason why all of a sudden we, raise your hand if you know someone that was raised in a Christian environment and became super liberal and atheistic after every hand goes up.
00:16:28.000And the one that I'm trying to emphasize today, I don't know if it's the biggest or second or third, is that you have an ill-equipped, youthful Christian population that gets torpedoed by secular left-wing persuasion.
00:16:43.000And they have no antibodies to this virus.
00:16:46.000They have not been inoculated to the woke mind virus.
00:16:50.000So they go out into the world and all of a sudden someone says, yeah, you know, Jesus said that we should have open borders.
00:16:56.000And they didn't come from a Christian environment that ever talked about immigration.
00:16:59.000And they say, you know, Jesus said it's perfectly fine for two dudes to marry.
00:17:25.000We'll talk about the gospel and we'll do reading, writing, arithmetic, and they can figure it out on their own.
00:17:29.000And then once that destabilizing, deconstructionist, postmodernist view gets hold, then all of a sudden they're like, well, if two guys can marry, is the Bible actually true?
00:17:42.000And that is the, all those things are gateway drugs to undermine biblical inerrancy.
00:17:48.000They're gateway drugs to undermine the authority of scripture.
00:18:17.000So then you have a youthful population that gets out there, and they're obviously tempted by everything imaginable.
00:18:22.000That's a whole separate topic that we could talk about of how we need to talk more about sexual purity and all that.
00:18:27.000But from the political standpoint, that's where they get hold.
00:18:30.000And parents, I've seen this progression so often.
00:18:34.000Parents will be like, Yeah, you know, my kid, he's really liberal, but he's still Christian.
00:18:40.000Two years later, he ain't Christian any longer.
00:18:43.000Because once you kind of go down that and that sequencing of deconstructionism begins, the end point is complete and total nihilism.
00:18:52.000Once you undermine the authority of scripture and you do that via politics, so Satan is using in the Christian education, I'm talking about psychic world, I'm talking about our environment, our community, our kids, our people that we spent tons of money and energy educating.
00:19:06.000Satan is using politics as a way to get into Christian youth to then get them to not be Christian.
00:19:15.000All because we were told that if we talk about politics, they wouldn't be Christian.
00:19:19.000Turns out the exact opposite was actually true.
00:19:22.000Talks about, turns out that we don't talk about these issues, they end up getting completely destabilized.
00:19:36.000What does the Bible say about pornography?
00:19:38.000What does the Bible say about abortion?
00:19:39.000What does the Bible say about immigration?
00:19:41.000What does the Bible say about boom, boom, boom, boom?
00:19:44.000And all of a sudden, they'll have the antibodies then.
00:19:46.000In the back of their head, when they're 26 years old, and they're an accountant, you know, at Deloitte in Cleveland, Ohio, all of a sudden, someone says, you know, yeah, you know, Jesus never talked about homosexuality.
00:19:57.000Actually, you know, there's a rootedness because you leaned into the controversial.
00:20:10.000With the pastors also who don't do this, people wonder why, you know, pastors wonder why people are leaving your church, their churches, liberal churches, and they're going to more conservative churches like Jack Hibbs and many other, you know, great people, is they want their pastor to make sense of what is happening in the world.
00:20:28.000They, long term, they don't need the same repurposed sermon.
00:20:38.000And I'll be very honest with you, it is a failure and a disservice and a tragedy when a mom goes to a pastor and has a transgender kid, which doesn't really exist, but let's just say, you know, a kid that's struggling with transgenderism or gender dysphoria.
00:20:52.000And the pastor says, we don't really do that here.
00:20:55.000Or even worse, the pastor says, well, we have to affirm it because Jesus loves all people.
00:22:28.000And especially the one part of the law That we never talk about.
00:22:30.000You see, pastors will always say, the moral law, you know, you know, you can't follow the moral law, and that's eventually why you lead to Jesus.
00:22:37.000That's true, but it's incomplete, right?
00:22:39.000That's totally true, but that's an incomplete teaching.
00:22:41.000Notice the pastors never talk about how civil law can lead you to Jesus.
00:22:45.000It's like, hey, the Bible had a lot to say in the 613 laws of Moses about how to run your government, about borders, about boundaries, about desecration of the divine.
00:22:56.000But we're told that we can't be political.
00:22:58.000Everybody, I don't want you to be political.
00:24:53.000So to your point about value-neutral education, that comes in by allowing someone besides parents directed by God to make decisions and be the ones to instill those values.
00:25:04.000Christian education takes federal and state money.
00:25:07.000Pastor Chuck Smith always said, Where God guides, He provides.
00:25:11.000Knowing Alex Newman and stories from other countries and states, do you personally advocate for or against government funding in the form of school vouchers that will allow and cause erosion of freedom to home and Christian education and even in your 5C schools?
00:25:34.000Yeah, so Karen, can you just, because it's important for me to know where in the country is the best example of school choice limiting educational freedom?
00:25:48.000I'm thinking of Alex Newman in particular and his experience in Sweden, but also I've heard in California they make you go in and have all of your curriculum approved.
00:25:58.000But California doesn't have school choice, right?
00:26:58.000I think that, I mean, in the ideal world so here's your concern and your concern is valid your concern is that they're going to use school choice as a way to get into our schools so let me just tell you about arizona the state i live in we were stuck with a dilemma public sectors unions were destroying the state kids weren't getting educated and parents wanted to send their kids to christian school but they couldn't afford it they they couldn't afford the nine ten fifteen thousand bucks a year low-income hispanic
00:27:28.000working class whites, plumbers, electricians, police officers.
00:27:31.000So we decided to do a school choice movement.
00:27:34.000We're like, hey, you can actually get literally 12,000 bucks.
00:27:38.000It's now 15 that you can send to any school, private, Christian.
00:27:43.000And what's happened as a result is not only as educational outcomes went up, but the Christian schools have flourished.
00:27:50.000You might end up being right like you were about Amendment 4.
00:27:53.000And I reserve the right to be proven wrong on this because I'm paranoid about government overreach, right?
00:27:59.000The fact it's state by state level, though, gives me a little bit more confidence because there's more accountability in the states than there is in D.C. And I think we should acknowledge that, right?
00:28:07.000That it's much easier to hold a governor and a state rep accountable than a congressman or a senator accountable.
00:28:35.000And that's the only public, that's the only school choice part that I'll weigh in on, right?
00:28:40.000While I acknowledge that a very sinister force, and Sweden's a good example, but we're not yet Sweden, I pray.
00:28:49.000A very sinister government force could be like, hey, if you're taking school money, you have to vaccinate your kids to a certain extent, right?
00:28:56.000You have to teach them all this rubbish.
00:28:58.000If and when I see that surface, you'll be my first phone call, Karen.
00:29:15.000Thank you all for welcoming homeschool families.
00:29:18.000As a mom of three young boys that I'm homeschooling, I wanted to know if you could pick one biblical verse to kind of pray over your children every day, what would you choose?
00:29:49.000That was a Levitical blessing that's been given almost uninterrupted of generations going all the way back to the nation of Israel.
00:29:55.000The second one that I would give, I think, is Deuteronomy 6, 3 through 5, which is called the Shema, which is hero Israel, I am God and I am one.
00:30:03.000But the best part of that verse goes when it's like, and you will teach your children this, and you will never forget.
00:30:09.000I mean, it is so, like, aggressive about how you'll teach your kids this.
00:30:16.000And then finally, yeah, I mean, as far as, like, I got nothing better than the Levitical blessing because it's like, have the Lord bless you, the Lord keep you, let his face shine upon you.
00:30:25.000I think that's a beautiful thing to pray over your kids every night.
00:31:06.000And I, I'm sure the person who wrote it is super sweet, but if you can show me the verse that shows that God's love is reckless towards us, I will learn something.
00:31:32.000ma'am hi charlie thank you so much for your time my name is ashlyn I am the secretary for my county, which is actually the neighboring county to Tampa of our Young Republicans chapter.
00:31:47.000I am here at the Educator Summit today because I'm very interested in education.
00:31:53.000As a senior in high school, the college board denied me my 504 plan accommodations during standardized testing for bright futures.
00:32:04.000And I have never once been denied accommodations before.
00:32:58.000In fact, the trend is actually the opposite, where kids' accommodations sometimes go way above and beyond and are like sometimes outrageously accommodated, where kids need like three days to take a test.
00:33:10.000I don't know if you've seen this phenomenon.
00:33:40.000If you want to make sense of the change and the chaos happening around us, you're going to need God's help.
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00:34:04.000In today's world, there's desperate need for truth.
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00:34:18.000Their mission is to help people become more fully devoted followers of Jesus Christ, which is the most important thing, giving your life to the Lord, including here on the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:35:00.000And as the executive director of homeschool, I'm encouraging my entire state to do the same.
00:35:05.000Everyone, if you can, should homeschool.
00:35:07.000So my question for you is a two-part question.
00:35:09.000Do you think the first part is, do you think public schools can be reformed to the point that they will ever be suitable again for Christian children?
00:35:17.000And the second part is, if yes, what does that look like?
00:36:50.000Yes, but the economy right now is so disordered and President Trump, I think, is figuring it out and we're going to have a better economy.
00:36:56.000Things are so expensive that people are in a lot of debt that an extra $10,000 a year could literally break an entire family and bring them to bankruptcy.
00:37:03.000So I think we should have compassion towards that.
00:37:06.000That's why I think in Arizona the school choice things work, especially for working class people.
00:37:10.000So like the MAGA faithful, the muscular class, the construction guys that are working $65,000 a year, they're like, they could send their kid to a world-class school in Arizona and they're loving it.
00:37:41.000It's like, I send my kid to public schools because, you know, my kid is going to be LeBron James, and he obviously needs to, you know, play basketball at the local public school.
00:37:48.000And if not, everything's going to be terrible.
00:37:51.000Homeschoolers, I think, are afforded the right in all 50 states to compete in athletics equally as kids that are enrolled in the public schools.
00:38:03.000I know he was a big champion of that because he was homeschooled and he would just go play for the football team and then kind of go leave afterwards.
00:39:36.000So, and look, everyone, you should fight for where you are and where you feel called.
00:39:41.000But I could tell you that if another 10,000 families moved from Illinois to Arizona, we would own that state for 20 years.
00:39:49.000I mean, so you have to think to yourself, like, okay, what is the best way to live?
00:39:54.000Everyone's called in a different environment, but I could tell you, as someone who loves Arizona and lives there, my goodness, I didn't know you could see the sun in the month of February.
00:40:16.000I'm with Made Makers Christian Dart and Design Education for K through 12 homeschool and private school children and families.
00:40:23.000And so my assumption is that art and design narrative is pervasive.
00:40:28.000It's arresting the affections of our Children.
00:40:30.000And so while we're being educated, our children are often being stolen away by forms that pervade, that function as glue, that arrest the affections of our children.
00:40:42.000I was a university professor and I saw it over and over again.
00:40:52.000And as you said, a lot of Christian music is pagan.
00:40:54.000A lot of Christian stuff seems to be deficient.
00:40:58.000And so I'm just wondering if you have any thoughts about that in the vision that you have for how we see society reconstructed, rebuilt, culture go forward in a way that honors Christ.
00:41:07.000How do you see art and design, narrative, film playing play?
00:41:48.000And so for them, they walk into a Catholic church and they're like, they feel as if there's something to ponder, something to understand.
00:41:57.000And again, I say I'm not a Catholic, and my wife was baptized Catholic, but we're obviously evangelical.
00:42:04.000But I think far too often we in the evangelical world, whatever that means, we have no emphasis on aesthetics whatsoever or on visuals or on art.
00:42:15.000And I think that's a mistake, actually.
00:42:17.000I think it's a big mistake because God designed us with five senses, including in a soul.
00:42:24.000And so Christian music and Christian art, it used to be the best stuff of the West.
00:42:29.000Mozart wrote all of his music to glorify God.
00:42:32.000It's the first thing he would write on every single composition.
00:42:35.000From Bach to Haydn, I mean, the best art that has come out of the West was all in the pursuit and the glory of God.
00:42:43.000I think there's more Christian movies that are becoming more exciting and that are becoming easier to watch because some of the Christian movies, as you guys know, the last 10 or 20 years are very noble attempts, but they don't always entertain.
00:44:07.000And I also, I think we, whatever that is, whatever I just told you, if you want to understand what Gen Z wants, they want something where all of a sudden they can feel as if they've come in visual and aesthetic contact with something that lifts them up from a broken and degenerative world.
00:44:26.000Everything else is bringing them down, and they want an all-encompassing experience.
00:44:32.000You think about it, the Catholic Church, you're getting almost all five senses hit, right?
00:44:37.000You're touching something, you're kneeling, you know, touch the Eucharist, you're smelling, they do incense, right?
00:44:43.000Obviously, you're seeing something and you're hearing something.
00:44:49.000And then, of course, you're tasting something with taking the Holy Communion, which, by the way, why we as evangelicals don't take communion so seriously, I don't know what happened with that.
00:45:57.000We are serving a demographic who is predominantly single mothers.
00:46:01.000The fatherless rate is through the roof.
00:46:04.000And so, for us, we don't have the luxury of having kind of the partnership to homeschool them, but we expect to have a serious role in discipling them to raise and equip their children or be godly young people.
00:46:13.000We want to create revival and restore brokenness in our communities, and we think the family unit is at the core of that.
00:46:20.000For us, as we navigate that, the tension we're seeing is obviously just first and foremost, the cultural capture of the church and how just the idea of what God's design looks like in our communities is completely distorted.
00:46:31.000And so, we're trying to engage in truth and love with community members to help reset and come back to that while also not coming off as pious or hateful or not loving and gracious.
00:46:43.000We're already discerning people who are trying to become part of our school who we realize don't align with us on these issues.
00:46:50.000But we also know that there's a great need and a lot of desire for families to participate in being a part of our school.
00:46:55.000And we're trying to slowly bring them along and help them adopt this truly conservative and biblical worldview, which we know is going to help our community.
00:47:02.000And so, all of that to say, what is your biggest advice for us as school leaders, my wife and I, who are trying to create almost reset in our communities to restore these conservative biblical principles when we know there's so much resistance, and we're not scared of that in the fact that we know we have God behind us, but what approaches can we take to help people not see us as being political, even though we are and that we're fighting on the front lines of biblical conservatism, which obviously leans one way.
00:47:31.000We don't want to get distorted and confused by that, but we also want to speak truth in a way that actually brings our community in a way that reflects God's glory more.
00:47:42.000First thing is, you have to be a good example.
00:47:44.000They have to see in your marriage and with you what you are fighting for.
00:47:49.000The greatest, the biggest ender of your advocacy in a community that doesn't believe in you is hypocrisy.
00:47:58.000If you want to try to win over a community that doesn't agree with you and they see that you actually don't even are living what you're telling them, that thing is not going to have any sort of momentum.
00:48:08.000Secondly, if I were you, I would focus on black men.
00:48:12.000I think black men are a hidden, forgotten portion of American society that have been just so downtrodden, that have been, and I don't even mean racially, I just mean culturally and economically.
00:48:29.000One of the greatest surprises for me is how many young black men stop me and that are fans of what I do.
00:49:17.000It believes that there is truth in what is ancient, truth in what is everlasting, and it's not piled on top of this industrial, modern style of education.
00:49:29.000I'm sure the great David Goodwin talked about this previously, but our model of education is Prussian, it is German, it is industrial, where we are not actually meant to be educated like that.
00:49:42.000It is not about getting skills, it's about developing character.