The Charlie Kirk Show - Teddy Roosevelt and Booker T. Washington

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00:02:28.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:02:30.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

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00:03:09.000 Joining us for the full hour, someone who I've known for quite some time, a great American and a prolific author.

00:03:14.000 And I've said he is the hardest working man in television.

00:03:16.000 I'm telling you, this guy puts in more hours in media than anybody else.

00:03:20.000 He's up at like 2 a.m. and he's great.

00:03:22.000 He's really fun to watch and listen to on radio.

00:03:24.000 Brian Kilmead, author of the new book, Teddy and Booker T, How Two American Icons Blazed a Path for Racial Equality.

00:03:33.000 Brian, thank you so much for joining us.

00:03:35.000 Joy, I appreciate you having me on.

00:03:36.000 It's going to be great.

00:03:37.000 Look at you dressed up.

00:03:39.000 You never used to wear it.

00:03:40.000 No, did you?

00:03:41.000 I just, you know, what happened?

00:03:42.000 I said, I have to look more like Brian Kilmead.

00:03:44.000 And so I...

00:03:46.000 One day I'll get the, you know, I was known for the t-shirt and the casual look and trying to move up in life, Brian.

00:03:52.000 So anyway, so glad you're taking the time.

00:03:54.000 Lots to talk about.

00:03:55.000 I want to just spend, I want to spend a serious amount of time on the book.

00:03:58.000 Tell us about your new book, Brian.

00:04:00.000 Well, I just wanted to talk about American history, and I want to move up in time from the president of freedom fighter Frederick Douglass and Abraham Lincoln.

00:04:07.000 And I thought, who's next?

00:04:08.000 And I actually found a link.

00:04:10.000 You have six-year-old Teddy Roosevelt looking out of his window on Broadway as the body of Abraham Lincoln comes down Broadway and he's able to see from his grandfather's apartment.

00:04:21.000 And he would idolize Lincoln the rest of his life.

00:04:23.000 And for Frederick Douglass, he was an inspiration to Booker T. Washington at a time in which it wasn't great to be a black man in the South.

00:04:30.000 1877, they made a major compromise.

00:04:33.000 We'll pull the Union troops out of the South if you guys would let Rutherford B. Hayes become president to break this controversial electoral college.

00:04:43.000 I know where I've heard that before, but it was deadlocked in seven separate states.

00:04:47.000 And they just, Hayes had it.

00:04:49.000 We pulled it out.

00:04:50.000 The South went back to their segregationist ways, made it very tough for black men and women to make a living, to thrive.

00:04:58.000 And that's the place we pick up Booker T. Washington's life: born a slave and then fights for freedom.

00:05:04.000 And what he did, Charlie, I just think it is epitomized the American dream.

00:05:09.000 You can accomplish anything.

00:05:10.000 And he would not worry about what people said about him.

00:05:13.000 He would not worry about what people thought about the color of his skin.

00:05:17.000 He was going to achieve.

00:05:18.000 And that's what I wanted to see: how that life coincided with Teddy Roosevelt's life and to see if America could be inspired by this story and how they came together.

00:05:28.000 And it reminds me of your previous book.

00:05:30.000 And I'm sure it's a theme that you're exploring.

00:05:32.000 The previous book is the president of the Freedom Fighter, Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass.

00:05:36.000 This one is not as talked about, though.

00:05:38.000 This one is not as kind of in the American Zeitgeist, which I know that with this book, you're attempting to do.

00:05:44.000 And also total different backgrounds, right?

00:05:45.000 Teddy Roosevelt was born into kind of an upper middle class, you could say elitist life, right?

00:05:51.000 Booker T. Washington was not.

00:05:52.000 Talk about the different biographies and how fate had them meet in the consequential early 1900s, which was the thrust of the Teddy Roosevelt presidency.

00:06:01.000 I mean, the main thing is, people listening right now, they think we're dug into this race, black, white, and Hispanic, and we're not.

00:06:08.000 And if you want to talk about a time in which there was a real difference in the color of people's skin, it was back then.

00:06:13.000 And then people are willing to work their way through it.

00:06:16.000 You have a guy that was born a slave, no shoes until he was nine, slept on the floor his entire youth up until he was got it, hurt his freedom.

00:06:23.000 He remembers going to the house on the plantation and having a union soldier read the Emancipation Proclamation.

00:06:29.000 When I read that in his biography, I said, I got to do something on him.

00:06:34.000 And I was able to do it.

00:06:35.000 And then I said, how do I link it up with somebody else?

00:06:38.000 And Teddy Roosevelt was all in his biography.

00:06:40.000 That's why I thought I'd do it.

00:06:42.000 And then just have a guy that got himself at 10, 11, just thirsted to learn, was stuck in the salt mines, would maneuver his way out to become an upkeep or a housekeeper for this very rich woman who saw nothing but potential in him, taught him to read and write, made his way to Hampton College, $12,400 on foot, got there.

00:07:04.000 They didn't want to let him in because he was such a mess.

00:07:06.000 He had bad clothes.

00:07:08.000 He had no shower, no money.

00:07:11.000 They finally relented when they realized how hard he worked and how he could clean up an office.

00:07:16.000 And he ends up being their best student, a professor, and then recommended to run a new college at the age of 24.

00:07:23.000 So if people think odds are stacked against him, look at this guy.

00:07:27.000 And for Teddy Roosevelt, it was like, yeah, seven generations of wealth.

00:07:31.000 How could you put these two together?

00:07:33.000 Yeah, but when one guy had, he had a horrible intestinal disease as a kid, he had asthma, his parents thought for sure he was going to die, had no formal school he had to do.

00:07:42.000 He taught at home.

00:07:44.000 For his formal school was Harvard.

00:07:47.000 And he went there where he began to excel, socialize, and overcompensated, so to speak, for all the physical ills he had.

00:07:55.000 So I thought, again, if people want to relate to a story, just because you have wealth, it doesn't mean you have, you're born on third base.

00:08:04.000 The parallels are striking.

00:08:06.000 And so the main part of the book you're focusing on is racial equality.

00:08:09.000 Teddy Roosevelt doesn't get remembered for that or the pursuit of that.

00:08:15.000 And one of the foils, I'm not sure if you get into this in the book, is obviously W.E.B. Du Bois, who had a different philosophical approach than Booker T. Washington.

00:08:29.000 But talk about, as far as here, you say, you know, in the kind of book teaser, both men abhorred the decadence and moral rot the nation and fall into, believed that improvement through careful collaboration was possible, and trust that the American ideals of individual liberty and hard work could propel the neediest towards success if only holding them back would step aside.

00:08:48.000 Talk more about in the Teddy Roosevelt presidency, what he did to try and create a more perfect union.

00:08:56.000 What he tried to do is say, and you might have heard this before, Booker T. Washington was going to be advisor.

00:09:02.000 He's like, I don't really know much about the South.

00:09:04.000 I need to know the best judges, the best postmasters, the best dockmaster.

00:09:08.000 I need to know who's going to be able to run the shipyards.

00:09:10.000 Would you be able to give me those names?

00:09:12.000 And don't worry about the, don't tell me about their nationality, the color of their skin, or their gender.

00:09:16.000 I just want the best people.

00:09:18.000 And he was a key advisor.

00:09:19.000 So this guy born a slave at nine years old is now advising the president, who would speak at a commencement address at Tuskegee.

00:09:25.000 So if America is that bad and that polarized and that racist, why was this happening?

00:09:32.000 And in the South, when people had preconceived notions because of the way they were brought up or the culture they were in, he wouldn't get mad at him.

00:09:39.000 He would just move on.

00:09:40.000 So Charlie, one of the best things I learned from this book is if you get mad at somebody, you're giving them power.

00:09:46.000 This guy would not be upset if you said the most racist thing to him.

00:09:50.000 He's like, well, I'll move on.

00:09:52.000 Who can help me?

00:09:53.000 Andrew Carnegie can help me.

00:09:54.000 Who could help me?

00:09:56.000 Rosenwald could help me.

00:09:58.000 The founder of Sears.

00:09:59.000 Who could help me?

00:10:00.000 J.P. Morgan and William McKinley, Grover Cleveland, and ultimately Teddy Roosevelt.

00:10:05.000 And for Roosevelt, he saw nothing but possibility in America.

00:10:09.000 He did just about everything, and he wasn't opposed to grinding it out.

00:10:14.000 So that's what I think he saw in Booker T. Washington.

00:10:17.000 But at the same time, his mom was from the Confederacy.

00:10:20.000 She's from the South.

00:10:22.000 Her two brothers were officers for Robert E. Lee.

00:10:26.000 So if he's in his house and he's growing up and he's hearing his mom's perspective on America, much like you're susceptible to your parents, he heard all that.

00:10:36.000 He still said, okay, I'm going to make my own judgment.

00:10:39.000 And with Booker T. Washington, you saw him saw nothing but a great man.

00:10:44.000 You didn't see him judging by his race.

00:10:48.000 But Teddy Roosevelt was somewhat of his times.

00:10:51.000 You hear some things that showed he had blind spots.

00:10:54.000 But I just think in a time in which America is so focused on race, people needed a perspective on how far we've come.

00:11:01.000 And we're the most successful multicultural country in the history of the world.

00:11:06.000 So I want to zero in on this for a second.

00:11:08.000 The American history.

00:11:11.000 I want to make sure I get this right.

00:11:12.000 So, yeah, it was the equestrian statue that was taken down of Teddy Roosevelt on the American Museum of Natural History.

00:11:21.000 That's right.

00:11:22.000 Because they said that Teddy Roosevelt was racist or racially insensitive.

00:11:26.000 You're a historian, Brian.

00:11:27.000 What is your response to that?

00:11:29.000 He's a person of his times.

00:11:31.000 It was a statue.

00:11:32.000 I'm doing a special real quick with Ray Kelly in the history of law enforcement.

00:11:36.000 And he goes, yeah, meet me by my apartment.

00:11:38.000 I want to walk by.

00:11:38.000 Teddy Roosevelt was my idol.

00:11:40.000 We look up and it's boxed. 0.94

00:11:41.000 It's boxed up because an Indian was walking, American Indian was walking, and a black man was walking next to Teddy Roosevelt on a horse and made him look superior. 0.98

00:11:51.000 And I thought to myself, you got to be kidding me. 0.94

00:11:52.000 They took him out from the museum that is full of all of his trophies and game that he shot and the same fossils he's recovered that his parents found.

00:12:04.000 So now they have it out in North Dakota where his library is going to be.

00:12:08.000 It's an embarrassment.

00:12:09.000 I mean, this guy was not perfect when it came to race, but man, listen to what Booker T. Washington said. 0.65

00:12:16.000 The quote, besides Lincoln, no one has taken more of an interest and helped the African American, the Negro rates more than President Teddy Roosevelt. 0.61

00:12:25.000 Okay, that should have been enough to keep his statue. 0.86

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00:13:29.000 All these smug elitists in New York take down the Teddy Roosevelt statue because it makes them feel good.

00:13:36.000 But does that really warrant a cancellation in the modern era, Brian Kilmead?

00:13:41.000 And Charlie, they took Thomas Jefferson out of the city council, you know, at the city hall.

00:13:46.000 It's unbelievable is right, but they voted two weeks ago, was it three weeks ago?

00:13:52.000 They were voting on whether to take Washington out of New York.

00:13:54.000 Can you believe this?

00:13:56.000 The first White House was in New York City.

00:13:58.000 I mean, Washington thanked his, said goodbye to his troops in New York City, France's tavern.

00:14:04.000 He thanked his spies on Long Island after becoming president in New York.

00:14:10.000 And they're like, we'll get a debate on whether to take him down or not.

00:14:13.000 I mean, it's absolutely insane, but I don't know what they're going to vote on. 1.00

00:14:16.000 Columbus has too many Italians here, so I don't think they're going to do that. 1.00

00:14:20.000 But who knows what's going to happen?

00:14:22.000 So to me, it was a fever during the Trump years.

00:14:26.000 It was starting to come back again.

00:14:28.000 My sense is people start sobering up when people start speaking out and saying there are no perfect people, but their impact on the country is undeniable.

00:14:37.000 Unless, of course, you find out that it's not and they're working against us.

00:14:41.000 You might want to think about taking the Benedict Donald statue down if you have one.

00:14:45.000 I got it, unless you're doing a tribute to double agents.

00:14:49.000 But for the most part, we are a country that was born like every other country, every continent had slaves.

00:14:59.000 In the South, most houses, most plantations had slaves.

00:15:03.000 Nobody condones it.

00:15:05.000 But without those slave owners, we don't have a country. 0.64

00:15:08.000 So you make your choice. 1.00

00:15:10.000 I mean, if you don't like our country, travel.

00:15:13.000 And if you find a place better, stay and stop messing with our past.

00:15:20.000 I like that, Brian.

00:15:22.000 The book is very important, and it pushes back against a lot of the nonsense that is infecting our current discourse, the historic illiteracy.

00:15:30.000 Teddy and Booker T, how two American icons put a fast forward for racial equality.

00:15:36.000 So let's dive into this, that one element, Brian, which I think is important.

00:15:40.000 Everyone is born into a world that they didn't create.

00:15:43.000 It's what you do with that world that is how we measure.

00:15:47.000 It says in the Bible, Noah was a righteous man in his generation.

00:15:51.000 Not just a righteous man generally, but in his generation, comparing to the people around him, he was pretty awesome.

00:15:57.000 We should always judge people in the context and the time of which they are in.

00:16:01.000 Brian, as a historian, why are this the smugness of the current orthodoxies always applied to those 100, 200, 300 years ago?

00:16:11.000 I think it's honestly one of the most frustrating and damaging patterns that we've seen in recent years.

00:16:18.000 You know, what's crazy is I do these things.

00:16:20.000 I do these stage shows.

00:16:21.000 I got a couple coming up, one in Illinois and one in Pennsylvania.

00:16:25.000 And I talk about all the books on stage in a more unscripted fashion with some production value to it.

00:16:32.000 Because in the beginning, I thought, wouldn't it be great to be able to speak before I sign my George Washington book or the Teddy Roosevelt book, or excuse me, the Thomas Jefferson book?

00:16:40.000 And a lot of times there's no time.

00:16:41.000 You walk in, there's a crowd, and you want to sign the books and go.

00:16:45.000 And I go, when you go to give a speech, you never know if that corporation that asked you to come in is going to be involved in some scandal the next day.

00:16:51.000 And they go, who's your last keynote speaker?

00:16:53.000 Oh, it's Brian Kilmead.

00:16:54.000 Okay. 0.91

00:16:55.000 He's part of one GEM collapse, or we never know. 0.89

00:16:58.000 So we create our own events.

00:17:00.000 And in the beginning, I thought it was going to be great just to be an opportunity to sell books.

00:17:04.000 Now it's like a mission on award to win the war on history because the 1619 project was the formal first salvo, but it's been happening for quite a long time.

00:17:14.000 I mean, I'm older than you, and in 1976, I was in grade school and they launched this thing called Roots, the most successful mini-series ever, averaged 60 million a night.

00:17:24.000 It was the story of slavery and all its brutality.

00:17:27.000 Nobody was ever ducking our past.

00:17:29.000 I don't know what people are talking about.

00:17:31.000 And no one ever said, oh, segregation, not that bad.

00:17:34.000 Slavery, well, it happens.

00:17:36.000 Nobody, Republican or Democrat, especially because most of these people were Democrats.

00:17:42.000 They kept on pushing to keep it and tried to almost reinstall it in the 20th century.

00:17:48.000 Having said that, we've come a long way.

00:17:50.000 And I just thought by telling the story of two men and what they did to get where they're at, I also stumbled on a situation with Booker T. Washington where people don't like what would now be termed his conservative message.

00:18:04.000 Don't worry about where you're at.

00:18:05.000 Don't worry about society's ills.

00:18:07.000 Overcome it.

00:18:09.000 Don't become a subscriber to grievance.

00:18:12.000 And there was one joke that he relays.

00:18:16.000 In retrospect, it tells you where we were as a country.

00:18:19.000 So he has a controversial dinner at the White House.

00:18:22.000 Never before has a black man ate with a president's family, which was white.

00:18:26.000 And for some reason, back then in times, it was controversial.

00:18:30.000 So it had never been done before, causing all types of uproars and riots.

00:18:34.000 So one day he's waiting by a train in the deep south, and a white guy comes walking up to him and says, Are you Booker T. Washington?

00:18:41.000 So, yeah, he goes, You're a great man.

00:18:43.000 He says, No, Teddy Roosevelt's a great man.

00:18:46.000 He goes, I used to think so until he had you over for dinner.

00:18:50.000 That's a beautiful story.

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00:19:52.000 So Brian, I want to talk some current events here, but I want to encourage the audience too to go to Teddy and Booker T, how two American Icons blazed a path for racial equality.

00:20:00.000 You know, things are changing in real time. 0.60

00:20:04.000 Talk about how this Israel issue is breaking the left. 0.91

00:20:06.000 This has been, it's amazing, Brian.

00:20:08.000 Not the border, not the economy.

00:20:10.000 This is without a doubt one of the most provable declines of Democrat support we've seen in the modern era.

00:20:17.000 What is driving this?

00:20:19.000 Brian, what's going on?

00:20:20.000 Well, I'm going to start with the question.

00:20:22.000 You are more in touch with the next generation than anybody I know.

00:20:26.000 You go on college campuses on a regular basis.

00:20:28.000 I was totally blindsided by the anti-Semitism that rose up, the pro-Palestinian attitude, which actually takes a degree of education to have a position.

00:20:36.000 It's not like I thought George Floyd was unjustly killed.

00:20:41.000 Obviously, I'm going to protest.

00:20:42.000 I get that.

00:20:43.000 But how do these people understand the whole Palestinian cause?

00:20:47.000 Since when has that resonated anywhere in America?

00:20:50.000 It takes actually opening up a book, reading some stories, getting a perspective, watching a YouTube video to say, okay, who's wrong?

00:20:57.000 Who's right?

00:20:58.000 How did we get here? 0.98

00:20:59.000 Instead, an instinct instantly, I'm against Israel. 0.97

00:21:02.000 Really? 0.85

00:21:02.000 Where did that come from? 0.85

00:21:03.000 I am against them.

00:21:05.000 I want to cease fire.

00:21:06.000 Really?

00:21:06.000 Where did that come from?

00:21:08.000 I don't believe that October 7th was that bad or happened at all.

00:21:12.000 Where did that come from? 0.93

00:21:13.000 And then to see this Palestinian slash Hamas protest come up on the streets is absolutely insane.

00:21:19.000 What is crazy is the reaction.

00:21:22.000 So these American people who support the American Jewish community, Jews and non-Jews, but people with some logic who understand what Israel is to America and what America is to Israel, knew what side we thought we were on as a country. 0.52

00:21:37.000 And all of a sudden, that's the minority position.

00:21:40.000 And we're seeing all these uprisings everywhere.

00:21:43.000 And you see this people march to with Nazi flags in America.

00:21:48.000 I can't believe the series of events that's happened.

00:21:50.000 And to me, it's got to be organized.

00:21:52.000 How could this, I think it's the same people that are a problem with race in America and the George Floyd riots and they were upset about America, period, about police or whatever. 0.62

00:22:04.000 These are the same people who are activists for the Palestinian cause.

00:22:08.000 And I think we're in a, it's real, really disturbing.

00:22:11.000 And for Joe Biden, who evidently Democrats pride themselves on the youth vote, well, this youth vote, while we were looking somewhere else, just left him.

00:22:20.000 And he's done too.

00:22:22.000 We thought Tlaib was on the fringe. 0.97

00:22:24.000 She's mainstream next generation.

00:22:27.000 Yeah, you know, Brian, it's a bittersweet thing. 0.97

00:22:29.000 I was texting with a very good Jewish friend of mine over the weekend, and I said, hey, look at this poll.

00:22:34.000 It shows that Donald Trump is beating Joe Biden in the youth vote. 0.95

00:22:37.000 And he made a great point.

00:22:38.000 He said, well, why?

00:22:40.000 And part of it is inflation and the outreach that we're doing.

00:22:43.000 But part of it is that young people, they don't want anybody that sides with Israel.

00:22:48.000 Brian, from your 35,000-foot view, what is the main reason why younger voters, younger people are so against the state of Israel?

00:22:58.000 It has to be organized.

00:23:00.000 It has to be.

00:23:01.000 I mean, these are the same people that don't know who was in World War II.

00:23:05.000 They don't even know which side.

00:23:06.000 I mean, I'm sure if you said who's the Axis powers, who was on the Axis powers, and who was on the Allied powers, they wouldn't even know.

00:23:13.000 They wouldn't know what you're talking about.

00:23:15.000 How could they possibly go back thousands of years or at least 80 years in Israel history?

00:23:21.000 It has to be organized.

00:23:22.000 Anti-American organizations, this has got to be financed.

00:23:26.000 And I wouldn't doubt that most of these people are getting paid to do what they did. 0.99

00:23:30.000 I have a relative of mine in Tulane, and it's 45% Jewish. 0.72

00:23:36.000 They looked over, all of a sudden, all these Palestinian and Hamas flags are flying.

00:23:41.000 Where'd they come from?

00:23:42.000 The outside.

00:23:43.000 These people don't go to that school.

00:23:46.000 So I'm wondering what organization is trying to infiltrate this country.

00:23:49.000 And at the same week, Charlie, think about this.

00:23:52.000 Bin Laden letter to America gets published.

00:23:55.000 You would think it would end up in the trash bin.

00:23:58.000 Instead, it turns out we have influencers saying, oh my God, my head is blown.

00:24:03.000 I have to rethink America and my loyalties.

00:24:06.000 Your head is blown. 1.00

00:24:08.000 You're a woman. 0.94

00:24:10.000 If you lived in bin Laden's vision of America, you would not have a job.

00:24:15.000 You would not be able to leave the house. 0.89

00:24:16.000 You wouldn't be able to drive. 1.00

00:24:17.000 If you're gay, you can jump off and pick the building you'll be thrown off of. 1.00

00:24:21.000 If you're transgender, you think they're going to ask you your pronouns? 0.97

00:24:25.000 I mean, to me, there's so many confounding elements to this story, but Joe Biden ends up paying the price. 0.86

00:24:32.000 And here's why he's guilty, is because they were fomenting all this stuff.

00:24:37.000 It's just like the cancel culture.

00:24:39.000 Hollywood starts it, and then they start blowing themselves up with the bazooka they let go.

00:24:46.000 And that's the same thing.

00:24:47.000 He can't figure it out. 0.84

00:24:48.000 He's actually doing the right thing by supporting Israel. 0.65

00:24:51.000 And it's blowing up in his face because the country has been taken over and needs to be taken back. 1.00

00:24:59.000 At least the next generation does. 1.00

00:25:01.000 The Osama bin Laden thing is really unbelievable. 0.90

00:25:03.000 And it shows the power of TikTok and this new digital media.

00:25:07.000 And also a generation that does not know 9-11.

00:25:12.000 Again, from the scriptures, there's that beautiful verse that says, and then rose a king of Egypt who did not know Joseph.

00:25:17.000 There's a generation that does not know 9-11.

00:25:20.000 Brian, your reaction, you covered 9-11 as it was happening.

00:25:23.000 You lived in New York as a New Yorker.

00:25:25.000 And aftermath, just now seeing a generation 22 years later embracing Osama bin Laden. 0.86

00:25:31.000 I thought Megan Kelly's take on that was really strong. 0.69

00:25:34.000 A lot of other people online have been talking openly and candidly about how parents have not been doing their job.

00:25:40.000 This is a wake-up call for a lot of people, Republican or Democrat.

00:25:44.000 Yeah, I just don't know anybody in my life that has to educate their kids on it.

00:25:50.000 It was just part of what they grew up on.

00:25:53.000 I mean, 9-11, my kids were in like second, sixth, and seventh grade.

00:25:58.000 You'd have to tell them what was going on.

00:26:01.000 So they knew.

00:26:02.000 I'm not sure if it's in the curriculum or not, but let's look at this. 0.96

00:26:07.000 This guy attacks our country, looks at us as the great Satan, does everything he can to kill as many Americans as possible.

00:26:14.000 For 20 years, somebody in your neighborhood went to fight in your name and came back, maybe not the same person, and you never thought to ask them, what were they doing?

00:26:23.000 What were they fighting for? 0.76

00:26:25.000 What's this Islamic extremism? 0.99

00:26:28.000 So I'm dumbfounded by the idiocy and the ignorance, which was exponentially accelerated by the pandemic, which gave all these other 18 to 22 year olds another reason not to educate themselves, but to live on Twitter, to live on Twitter and to live on TikTok. 1.00

00:26:47.000 I just think that this is a wake-up call for everybody. 0.99

00:26:50.000 Just like the pandemic was a wake-up call for parents.

00:26:54.000 Now it's a wake-up call for the country.

00:26:56.000 Those kids of yours are protesting against fundamental American values and they're with the other side.

00:27:04.000 Not only are they not subscribing, they're with the other side.

00:27:07.000 And Charlie, they got a terrible product. 1.00

00:27:10.000 Nobody wants, who wants to be an Islamic extremist? 0.99

00:27:13.000 Who wants to give up rights every single day? 0.98

00:27:16.000 Take a vow of poverty.

00:27:18.000 Do not have a job that's fulfilling.

00:27:20.000 Live your whole life to blow up your neighbor.

00:27:23.000 Read some of this stuff.

00:27:25.000 It's a terrible letter.

00:27:26.000 I mean, you would think we used to have a generation that would be susceptible to perpetual spring break.

00:27:32.000 I spent too much time on the beach.

00:27:34.000 I didn't study.

00:27:35.000 You know, I hung out with my friends.

00:27:36.000 I failed out of school.

00:27:38.000 Now I went to school.

00:27:39.000 I came back.

00:27:39.000 I hate the country.

00:27:41.000 What happened?

00:27:42.000 Well, that's a really smart point.

00:27:44.000 I mean, there was definitely, you know, radicalism in the 60s and 70s.

00:27:48.000 And then for a couple decades, this is so smart, Brian, that the number one criticism to young people is, oh, they don't work hard.

00:27:55.000 They do too much dope.

00:27:56.000 You know, they're, you know, into the indulgence.

00:27:59.000 Now it's like, wait a second, like, can you go back to doing weed and like staying up till 3 a.m.?

00:28:03.000 I kind of, I actually prefer like a super lethargic, you know, sorry, I got, you know, had a fun time in Cabo than, oh, I don't know, flying the modern-day Nazi flag. 0.85

00:28:15.000 It's actually, that's a super smart point. 0.76

00:28:17.000 Yeah, I just don't know what they're offering.

00:28:19.000 I mean, we have a better product in every way, shape, or form.

00:28:23.000 And you know what they should do, Charlie? 0.81

00:28:25.000 We should make them just say, listen, are you a pro-Hamas? 0.98

00:28:28.000 Yeah, I really like what they represent. 0.83

00:28:29.000 They're oppressed.

00:28:30.000 Okay, great.

00:28:31.000 Because there's some openings.

00:28:33.000 And I can tell you exactly where they are.

00:28:35.000 And we can provide the transportation.

00:28:37.000 I think you should live that life. 0.89

00:28:39.000 Why are we leaving you here stuck with our horrible Westerners who maybe want to go on vacation or work a second job in order to make ends meet or have a family and want to treat women equally?

00:28:52.000 So you don't want to be stuck in that tornado of indulgence. 0.96

00:28:56.000 So we're going to send you over to Hamas. 0.97

00:28:58.000 Let's talk about it. 0.81

00:28:59.000 I mean, we got the son of Hamas's founder on. 0.91

00:29:02.000 I have one regularly.

00:29:04.000 And he just talks about these people being brainwashed from day one. 0.98

00:29:09.000 And that's in Hamas's world. 0.91

00:29:13.000 I don't know how they did it in America. 0.95

00:29:16.000 How do they do it to America?

00:29:19.000 It is partially because of our institutions. 0.96

00:29:21.000 And there's a lot of Muslim Brotherhood money, which I know you've been following, Brian.

00:29:25.000 A lot of Brotherhood money has been flowing into these institutions.

00:29:28.000 But also, you know, do not underestimate the contempt and the resentment that left-wing ideology has for America.

00:29:35.000 They will partner with any organization, the Chinese Communist Party, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, as long as they say they hate the West.

00:29:44.000 All right, everybody, the holidays and big family feasts are upon us.

00:29:48.000 But in D.C., there's no bigger turkey than Senate Bill 1339.

00:29:52.000 It's still being pushed by that radical rascal, Bernie Sanders.

00:29:55.000 Bad guy. 0.95

00:29:56.000 I don't say that lightly. 0.99

00:29:57.000 He is a bad person.

00:29:58.000 I'll tell you, he's a Marxist.

00:30:00.000 Senate Bill 1339 is Bernie's latest attempt to sneak in a backdoor takeover of more of our health care.

00:30:05.000 He falsely claims it will lower prescription drug prices.

00:30:08.000 But S1339 will actually just do the opposite.

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00:30:17.000 Bernie is hoping that despite thousands of your fellow Americans already going to lowermydrugprices.com to stand up against S1339, you'll be too busy making holiday plans or getting ready for a year-end vacation to stop him from a power grab on your healthcare.

00:30:31.000 So here's what's happening: the Marxist, the commie, he's trying to put this bill in.

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00:31:04.000 Again, it's Senate Bill 1339.

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00:31:11.000 Brian, I always ask this question of a guest that does a research piece.

00:31:14.000 When you decided to write the book Teddy and Booker T, what piece of information or story did you discover or learn that you're like, wow, I did not know that before, that is the most noteworthy to you.

00:31:27.000 Let me see.

00:31:28.000 That's a great question.

00:31:30.000 I would say this.

00:31:32.000 I would say when Booker T. Washington, I would say overall, there were two things that happened.

00:31:38.000 You're a positive thinking guy, right?

00:31:40.000 You're someone who sets goals.

00:31:42.000 Always.

00:31:42.000 And I think that I'm reading Booker T. Washington and I'm listening to what he wants to accomplish and how he did it.

00:31:49.000 It's the precursor to Think and Grow Rich, Napoleon Hill, think of the precursor to Norman Vincent Peale and Anthony Robbins today.

00:31:56.000 He did not know how to read and he was 10 years old.

00:31:59.000 They wrote one in eight on the bro lap sack he had to fill with salt in the salt mines.

00:32:04.000 He's like, what is that?

00:32:04.000 He goes, those are numbers.

00:32:06.000 What are numbers?

00:32:07.000 That guy ends up being the most educated guy in the country.

00:32:11.000 who starts his own university.

00:32:13.000 And also, when you really want something, even without the social safety net, things will happen.

00:32:19.000 And Booker T. Washington time and time again would dream about getting an education where his mom would saw the patch and got him a dictionary.

00:32:27.000 Couldn't believe how lucky he was.

00:32:29.000 Then he hears his friends complaining about a woman, Mrs. Ruffner, who's so hard she's impossible to work for.

00:32:35.000 I'm quitting that job.

00:32:36.000 I'm going back to the salt mines.

00:32:38.000 He needed out of the salt mines.

00:32:40.000 He hears it. 0.92

00:32:41.000 This woman ends up changing his life. 1.00

00:32:43.000 She just wanted things done right.

00:32:45.000 And then he ends up using Mrs. Ruffner to propel him to Hampton, where he gets another mentor that sees nothing but potential in him, recommends him to Tuskegee, General Armstrong.

00:32:55.000 And I believe in re-looking at his life and Teddy Roosevelt's life, they willed themselves to reaching their goal, reaching their potential.

00:33:05.000 And I think you can learn something from what they did.

00:33:08.000 Just because we know them, it doesn't mean if you want to own a flower shop or your own gym or you want to be president of the United States.

00:33:16.000 If you want something bad enough, it can happen.

00:33:19.000 And that's really, I can only say that in America, because we are still the land of opportunity, not the land of outcomes.

00:33:28.000 Just give me an opportunity.

00:33:29.000 That's all these two said to each other.

00:33:32.000 You give an opportunity.

00:33:33.000 I'm going to give other people an opportunity, but I am not going to rig the game.

00:33:37.000 I think in America, we're trying to rig the game and make excuses when you don't win the championship, get the medal, get the job, or win the race.

00:33:48.000 Dream, believe, work, achieve.

00:33:50.000 So the book is really important.

00:33:53.000 And I want you guys to check it out.

00:33:55.000 Teddy and Booker T, How Two American Icons Blazed a Path for Racial Equality.

00:33:59.000 I'm going to ask you an unfair question here, Brian, but studying Teddy Roosevelt in particular, who in America today reminds you closest to Teddy Roosevelt?

00:34:08.000 It's Trump.

00:34:09.000 And just like Andrew Jackson, too.

00:34:10.000 He's a little Trump.

00:34:12.000 Trump is a little Andrew Jackson, a little Teddy Roosevelt.

00:34:15.000 And the things they write about Roosevelt, for example, Mark Twain never liked Teddy Roosevelt.

00:34:19.000 They thought he was all shove.

00:34:20.000 They're like, what is this guy who's always bringing attention to himself?

00:34:23.000 And what happened in New York?

00:34:25.000 He was busting up everything, turning the tables over, not subscribing to the power structure.

00:34:31.000 They had to get rid of him.

00:34:32.000 So they kicked him to vice president.

00:34:34.000 He ends up being president of the United States. 0.99

00:34:36.000 And when he was in the military, they once said, this guy is ridiculous. 0.97

00:34:40.000 He keeps saying we want war. 0.98

00:34:41.000 No, we've got to defend ourselves. 0.99

00:34:43.000 He's crazy. 0.97

00:34:44.000 Ends up being a war hero and coming back. 0.82

00:34:46.000 So his whole life, people thought he was a little bit crazy, and they could not believe it to a degree.

00:34:52.000 They didn't think he was worthy of the presidency.

00:34:54.000 He ends up really defining the presidency and being this incredible leader because he was so unorthodox.

00:35:01.000 Jackson was the same way.

00:35:03.000 And I think that that's what you get with Trump.

00:35:06.000 I'm not putting him in the same category.

00:35:08.000 One never reached his 60th birthday and the other 77 with a businessman.

00:35:14.000 But I would say as disruptors, as focused, and as unstoppable, they're both unstoppable forces.

00:35:26.000 You weren't going to deny Roosevelt.

00:35:28.000 And I think we see what's going on right now.

00:35:31.000 Trump is queued up to, right now, got his favorite to win the presidency back again.

00:35:38.000 The comeback kid.

00:35:39.000 That's right. 0.89

00:35:40.000 And unlike Teddy Roosevelt, I don't think he's going to run in the Bull Moose Party. 0.98

00:35:43.000 But I agree. 0.98

00:35:45.000 There's, you know, Teddy Roosevelt and Trump are both class traitors.

00:35:48.000 They were both supposed to be part of the ruling class, and they went kind of down to go fight for the working man.

00:35:52.000 Brian, excellent analysis.

00:35:54.000 Thank you so much.

00:35:54.000 You're a great friend, Teddy and Booker T. How Two American Icons Blaze the Trap to Racial Equality.

00:35:59.000 Check it out.

00:35:59.000 Brian, thank you so much.

00:36:01.000 Thank you, Joe.

00:36:01.000 I appreciate it.

00:36:02.000 Thank you.

00:36:03.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:36:04.000 Everybody, email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:07.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:36:08.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - November 21, 2023

Teddy Roosevelt and Booker T. Washington

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