The Charlie Kirk Show - Texas Democrats Run For The Hill

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00:00:04.000 I explain in great detail what's going on in Texas with the legislatures and lawmakers fleeing.

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00:01:28.000 There is a lot going on.

00:01:29.000 In Texas, we covered this story last week.

00:01:33.000 President Donald Trump is working with Governor Greg Abbott to redraw the congressional maps in Texas.

00:01:39.000 The new proposal would add up to five Republican-leaning districts ahead of the 2026 midterms, shifting power in the U.S. House.

00:01:46.000 Now, the entire plan really hinges upon the idea that Hispanics will continue to vote Republican.

00:01:54.000 This is all being done legally.

00:01:56.000 This is completely kosher.

00:01:58.000 And now the Democrats are starting to run away.

00:02:00.000 Why are they running away?

00:02:01.000 Well, Texas law requires two-thirds quorum, 100 of 150 members to conduct house business.

00:02:08.000 And therefore, they need at least 51 members to abstain.

00:02:12.000 Over 50 Democrats have traveled to Illinois and some to New York and Boston, making the minimum quorum impossible and stalling the vote.

00:02:19.000 Most have gathered thanks to the aid of my least favorite person in American politics, Governor J.B. Pritzker, who is giving them a little bit of air cover.

00:02:32.000 Now, they're fleeing the state because, in fact, in most states, the police can force a lawmaker to attend a legislative session.

00:02:39.000 So, the only way to avoid being present is to flee the state entirely and therefore beyond their jurisdiction.

00:02:48.000 So, the Democrats are fleeing, and naturally, of course, to my home state of Illinois.

00:02:54.000 Well, at least we think they are.

00:02:55.000 Maybe they just got stuck by J.B. Pritzker's irresistible gravitational pull.

00:03:00.000 Now, Illinois is quite a funny place to flee to.

00:03:04.000 This is how you know the Democrats have really lost a step.

00:03:07.000 Of all the states to flee to, you are going to flee to Illinois. 0.90

00:03:13.000 Illinois, which is known for their ridiculous gerrymandering.

00:03:19.000 I know it because I grew up as a political campaign volunteer working in the districts in the suburbs of Chicago.

00:03:26.000 And I kid you not, where I grew up outside of Wheeling, Illinois, literally there would be carve-outs of little micro-neighborhoods of across the street would be Illinois' ninth congressional district.

00:03:39.000 We would be in Illinois' 10th congressional district, and then literally on stone throws away would be Illinois' 8th congressional district.

00:03:47.000 All kind of weirdly conformed.

00:03:51.000 It was like a gender reassignment surgery met a congressional map. 0.59

00:03:55.000 So, of all the places, you look on screen, just some of the examples here.

00:03:59.000 It looks like a Jackson Pollock painting.

00:04:02.000 Look at the entire map.

00:04:04.000 Just random streaks of color across your screen.

00:04:07.000 That's where they're going to go to go fight gerrymandering.

00:04:10.000 Illinois is the worst offender of all the states across the country.

00:04:14.000 Again, just look at Illinois' 13th congressional district up on screen.

00:04:17.000 It's basically a 15-mile-wide strip connecting five different Democrat cities across 300 miles, from East St. Louis through Springfield to Decatur to Urbana-Champaign.

00:04:29.000 The Chicago area is a massive mess.

00:04:31.000 And I know this.

00:04:32.000 I lived through it.

00:04:33.000 The lines snaking all across random districts.

00:04:37.000 Black district here, Hispanic district here.

00:04:39.000 Let's show up some of the other pictures on screen, guys, of the other maps.

00:04:44.000 So Democrats are howling that, there you go, in Illinois.

00:04:48.000 If you could zoom in on Cook County, Illinois is the Wuhan Institute of Virology of gerrymandering.

00:04:57.000 They invented it and they brought it to the rest of the world.

00:05:00.000 Good old Mike Madigan.

00:05:01.000 Do you know who Mike Madigan is?

00:05:03.000 Oh, Mike Madigan was Illinois Speaker of the House.

00:05:06.000 I don't know if he's still alive, but he got arrested finally after nearly 50 years of naked corruption running the entire Illinois House.

00:05:15.000 Remember, we used to say Illinois is not broken, it's fixed. 0.95

00:05:19.000 A crook.

00:05:21.000 He would hold the power over the Illinois gerrymandering maps as a way to try to prevent Republicans from getting more representation. 0.74

00:05:30.000 Now, if you're a bit older, this might feel a little bit like, haven't I seen this movie before?

00:05:36.000 And it should.

00:05:37.000 Remember back in 2003, Texas did another redistricting effort, and Democrats fled en masse to Oklahoma, then to New Mexico.

00:05:44.000 But of course, in essence, they had to come back.

00:05:46.000 In 2021, Texas Democrats fled again, trying to block election integrity laws.

00:05:50.000 They failed again.

00:05:52.000 This will be a failed effort.

00:05:54.000 And do you remember back in 2011, Democrats fled Wisconsin when Scott Walker was governor to go to Illinois.

00:06:05.000 In 2011, 14 Democrat state senators fled Illinois to block a vote on Scott Walker's union reforms.

00:06:12.000 They had across state lines instead of facing a debate, and Scott Walker ended up winning.

00:06:16.000 This is Cook.

00:06:17.000 Yeah, that's the excerpts of Crook County.

00:06:19.000 Put that up, 294.

00:06:21.000 Does that make any sense to you, especially on the upper right-hand of your corner?

00:06:25.000 Look at those little slivers, the deformity of these districts.

00:06:31.000 There is no rhyme, no reason, no harmony.

00:06:34.000 There is nothing behind it except pure naked political power grabs.

00:06:39.000 So Illinois has the worst of all of it.

00:06:42.000 At first, when I saw this, I thought it was a flood map.

00:06:45.000 I thought it was like, this is different parts of Cook County that have different flood thresholds.

00:06:51.000 So this is the state that is hosting the Texas Republicans.

00:06:54.000 And I got to give some credit to the Texas Republicans.

00:06:57.000 And let this be a message to Republicans across the country.

00:07:00.000 More of this.

00:07:01.000 More hardball.

00:07:03.000 More being willing to use political power to stop the Democrats from running roughshod over us.

00:07:08.000 More of this kind of energy.

00:07:10.000 When they come back to Texas, if they violated laws, arrest them.

00:07:14.000 Fill their vacant seats.

00:07:16.000 The main crux of this is something called coalition districts.

00:07:19.000 It's basically intersectionality weaponized to reduce Republican representation.

00:07:24.000 They combine minority groups to box out conservatives. 0.98

00:07:27.000 And again, put 294 up on screen.

00:07:29.000 On the upper right-hand of your screen, you see they'll do this and they'll kind of carve in.

00:07:33.000 So traditionally, DuPage County in the service of Chicago was very Republican.

00:07:38.000 So what they did, this was old Judy Biggert's congressional seat.

00:07:41.000 What they did after the 2010 census is they would configure enough of Chicago to go into DuPage to dilute representation.

00:07:50.000 Or how about Illinois' 10th congressional district, which used to be represented by Mark Kirk, who became senator, and then Bob Dold?

00:07:56.000 No, they had to give some of Illinois' 10th congressional district with some of Evanston.

00:08:00.000 You get the point.

00:08:01.000 They have to try and disfigure these districts in a way to dilute Republican voice and representation.

00:08:08.000 Four of Texas's congressional districts were unconstitutional, the Department of Justice warned a couple years ago.

00:08:15.000 Three, the 19th, 18th, and the 33rd.

00:08:17.000 They were unconstitutional coalition districts where black and Hispanic voters combined to form a majority.

00:08:22.000 The 29th, while a majority Hispanic, was also unconstitutional, the letter said.

00:08:27.000 It said, quote, it is well-established.

00:08:29.000 So-called coalition districts run afoul of the Voting Rights Act and the 14th Amendment.

00:08:35.000 Assistant Attorney General Harmeet Dylan wrote, threatening legal action if Texas didn't bring the districts into compliance.

00:08:40.000 Now, here's the funny part.

00:08:42.000 So the Department of Justice has called these coalition districts unconstitutional.

00:08:47.000 Five years ago, Democrats would have been thrilled with the new Texas map.

00:08:51.000 Can we put up the proposed Texas map?

00:08:53.000 Five years ago, Democrats would have been like, yes, this is a great map.

00:08:56.000 But do you know what changed?

00:08:57.000 Donald Trump moved the Hispanic vote 10 to 15 points.

00:09:01.000 So this new map actually gives more representation to Hispanics.

00:09:05.000 Now, it's a gamble.

00:09:06.000 This is a Texas gamble.

00:09:08.000 This will be known as the big old Texas gamble.

00:09:12.000 Win a big prize or lose everything.

00:09:15.000 It's a big roll of the dice.

00:09:17.000 It's the Texas gambit.

00:09:18.000 And you could tell because what it is, is more representation to Hispanics that voted very right-wing in 2024.

00:09:25.000 So be careful, Texas Republicans.

00:09:27.000 You have a little bit of caution.

00:09:29.000 You really have no choice but to do this.

00:09:31.000 But it is a gambit.

00:09:32.000 It's not Roxella.

00:09:34.000 Now, if Hispanics keep on going our direction, we could eliminate the Democrat Party in Texas for generations to come. 1.00

00:09:41.000 So Democrats are either fighting this because they think the theater helps them or they know it's a real problem.

00:09:45.000 And it's just pure theater.

00:09:46.000 That's why J.B. Pritzker, he wants to run for president.

00:09:49.000 And J.B. Pritzker has never ran for anything in his life.

00:09:51.000 So it'll be the first time the man has ever run when he runs for president.

00:09:55.000 It'll be quite a sight to see because he has never run ever.

00:09:59.000 The man has never, ever had anything even more than a light brisk of a pace walk.

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00:11:23.000 So the Democrats are reacting predictably.

00:11:26.000 The extremely classy, very politely, let me just tell you right now: men out there do not marry women like Jasmine Crockett.

00:11:34.000 Okay, just what that whole thing, just don't, just, just stay away. 1.00

00:11:40.000 She's just big problems. 1.00

00:11:43.000 Just the whole ensemble, whiny, yammering. 1.00

00:11:49.000 The whole way she presents herself, smug, terrible, nasty, cruel, wrong, dumb. 1.00

00:11:56.000 The whole operation, young men, better for you to become a Catholic priest. 1.00

00:12:00.000 I'm just going to tell you right now, avoid that entire freight train because it is a coming.

00:12:05.000 The Jasmine Crockett shtick, why a lot of young men are checking out of the dating pool because young ladies say, I got to act like, I mean, they don't say they want to act like Jasmine Crockett.

00:12:15.000 But this whole thing she's got going here.

00:12:18.000 And apparently we're all Anglos now.

00:12:21.000 Okay, I guess.

00:12:23.000 It's a badge of honor.

00:12:24.000 I don't know.

00:12:25.000 She calls it.

00:12:26.000 There's no longer white.

00:12:27.000 You see, they're trying to change their vocabulary.

00:12:29.000 It's no longer white majority.

00:12:31.000 We're Anglo majorities.

00:12:34.000 Okay.

00:12:35.000 Yeah, I am a wasp.

00:12:36.000 What are you going to do about it, Jasmine Crockett?

00:12:39.000 Does that make me bad?

00:12:40.000 Does that make me racist?

00:12:42.000 Play cut 270.

00:12:43.000 Do what this legislature is consistently been found to be guilty of doing, which is to make sure that they can do an overemphasis of Anglo voices in this state. 0.64

00:12:54.000 Only 40% of this state is Anglo, yet somehow we have more than 60% of our seats that are elected by Anglo-majority districts.

00:13:07.000 As I said in 2021, as I argued against these maps, the math ain't mathin.

00:13:15.000 Okay, again. 0.99

00:13:16.000 So first of all, this is just white hate, pure and simple, naked hate of the white race. 0.99

00:13:23.000 By the way, that's the connective tissue, right? 0.99

00:13:25.000 The Sidney Sweeney thing.

00:13:27.000 The war on white people is so clear. 0.69

00:13:30.000 And I'm sorry, Jasmine Crockett.

00:13:32.000 What do you have against white people so much?

00:13:36.000 You talk about them all the time.

00:13:39.000 All the time.

00:13:41.000 Play cut 272. 0.97

00:13:42.000 This is Josie Garcia trying to say that these seats are for blacks. 0.91

00:13:48.000 Play cut 272. 0.84

00:13:49.000 Do you know how many black seats there are in Congress for the entire state of Texas, ma'am?

00:13:54.000 No, ma'am, I don't.

00:13:55.000 I do not know if there is a black seat or there are historically black serving seats, ma'am.

00:14:00.000 And of the five that there are that represent the entire state of Texas, of the 30 and plus, three of them were set to be dismantled.

00:14:09.000 So I'm just curious.

00:14:13.000 Of the four seats that were identified, three of them were historically black seats.

00:14:17.000 One of them is a historically Latino seat.

00:14:21.000 You don't see the race in there.

00:14:23.000 No, ma'am, because I don't think a seat belongs to any ranks.

00:14:27.000 Okay, interesting. 1.00

00:14:29.000 First of all, that woman's got to stop chain smoking. 1.00

00:14:31.000 Her voice is completely destroyed, and it's very unattractive. 1.00

00:14:33.000 She smokes like three packs a day.

00:14:35.000 Again, what are we doing here?

00:14:36.000 The reason why young men are staying single hour?

00:14:38.000 I mean, how many more cuts can we play here?

00:14:42.000 First of all, young men don't like to take orders from women. 0.98

00:14:45.000 They definitely don't want to take orders from women like that. 1.00

00:14:48.000 That's supremely unattractive to men.

00:14:52.000 At the core of the Democrat Party is a coalition of resentment, envy, and hate.

00:15:00.000 None of this is racist.

00:15:01.000 In fact, this actually expands representation of Hispanics.

00:15:04.000 The entire project is actually about expanding voices to Hispanics that are now voting for Republican. 0.95

00:15:12.000 Oh, and by the way, just so we're clear, Jasmine Crockett's district, you're getting eliminated. 0.97

00:15:17.000 Sorry, you're going to have to go be an influencer. 1.00

00:15:21.000 Jasmine Crockett, what skill set does she have? 1.00

00:15:24.000 I think we all know. 1.00

00:15:25.000 Let's play another one.

00:15:26.000 This is her yelling that the maps are racist.

00:15:28.000 Okay. 0.93

00:15:29.000 Anglo-racism 271. 0.90

00:15:33.000 I don't think that it's an accident that Donald Trump picked up the phone, hauled down the Texas, told Abbott what he was going to do, and like a small, ridiculous child, he just fell in order. 0.75

00:15:45.000 I don't think any of that was an accident. 0.99

00:15:48.000 This is racist.

00:15:50.000 What they are doing.

00:15:52.000 Give your life to Jesus because I'm convinced in the seventh circle of hell that is just played on a repeat.

00:15:58.000 It's just on total repeat.

00:16:01.000 The shrill, the yelling, the screaming, the yammering, the catawalling. 0.63

00:16:10.000 The great replacement of white people is far more sinister than any redistricting project. 0.84

00:16:18.000 That is at the core of the Democrat project, at the core.

00:16:22.000 And Jasmine Crockett is just some circus act in that entire operation.

00:16:29.000 But it's definitely serious.

00:16:31.000 You shouldn't take what she says seriously.

00:16:33.000 It's just a joke. 0.77

00:16:34.000 What she represents is very serious, which is the continued attempt to eliminate the white population in this country. 0.98

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00:17:56.000 Joining us now is Senator Mark Wayne Mullen from the great state of Oklahoma.

00:17:59.000 Senator, you tweeted out, quote, it's Saturday, August 2nd, and I'm still voting.

00:18:03.000 I'll stay in session.

00:18:04.000 We're looking at three options to clear the jam with POTUS.

00:18:07.000 Give us the latest on what is the jam and is the Senate going to stay in session all of August?

00:18:13.000 Well, President Trump actually did a pivot on it.

00:18:17.000 He was done with it.

00:18:18.000 The reason why is he got tired of negotiating with Chuck Schumer in bad faith and said, screw it.

00:18:27.000 I'm paraphrasing that word, by the way.

00:18:30.000 And late Saturday night, he said, I'm not going to be held host from.

00:18:33.000 I'm not going to deal with this.

00:18:35.000 We're going to work on changing the rules over August.

00:18:37.000 Send everybody home except those that are going to work on it.

00:18:40.000 So there's a group of us working on a rules change.

00:18:43.000 When we get back in September, we're going to propose it to the conference and go straight to votes.

00:18:49.000 But there was a lot that took place.

00:18:51.000 And the three options really were one, we strike a deal.

00:18:56.000 The President Trump really wanted to strike a deal because it's very complicated to get to the recess appointments.

00:19:03.000 We can talk about that so we can break that down.

00:19:05.000 It gets a little wonky.

00:19:06.000 But he wanted to get a deal.

00:19:08.000 He thought he had a deal.

00:19:09.000 We had 61 that are reported out of committee on the House or on the Senate floor ready to be voted.

00:19:15.000 That was bipartisan, meaning they came out of the committee with Democrat and Republican support.

00:19:19.000 He said, let me clear the deck on that one.

00:19:21.000 We'll work with you on some other of your pet projects.

00:19:24.000 And then let's work on a package that would get away from us having to confirm 1,200 people and clear the deck for 300 to 400 individuals that are really individuals we shouldn't be voting on to confirm.

00:19:38.000 At first, we were told by Angus King that they would accept it.

00:19:44.000 and then their price tag on that because everything comes with the negotiating they had 800 million in uh in funding that was being held up by fy25 appropriations uh that was part of kind of the rescission packages that was coming through in return let the money go through we had tentatively said we would try doing something like that with president trump negotiating i mean president trump for three days were charlie was extremely engaged with negotiating Talked to him multiple times.

00:20:13.000 JD Vance was involved in it.

00:20:15.000 Everybody was all hands on deck.

00:20:17.000 They came back with another offer.

00:20:19.000 President Trump didn't like it, but he said, well, let's negotiate.

00:20:24.000 As he was getting on the plane, he called me and he says, hey, get this deal done.

00:20:29.000 Let's do it and let's move on.

00:20:32.000 He says, I've got nominees that are waiting that need to get paid.

00:20:35.000 And so we went to go back, negotiate.

00:20:37.000 They came back three times.

00:20:38.000 And every time they kept dropping the number and raising the price to the point where President Trump told him to go pounce in.

00:20:42.000 He said, forget it.

00:20:43.000 Go tell Schumer to pounce in.

00:20:45.000 I'm not negotiating.

00:20:46.000 You guys go home.

00:20:47.000 Let's change the rules.

00:20:48.000 So that's where we ended up.

00:20:50.000 So Senator, I'm not going to question the president's wisdom or judgment here, nor yours, but I'm going to have to get a little bit deeper into this.

00:20:58.000 And I want you to further explain it.

00:21:01.000 Because look, I'm not thrilled with this.

00:21:03.000 And obviously Chuck Schumer is to blame, but there's 160 nominees lingering.

00:21:07.000 A term is only four years.

00:21:08.000 And we're seven months into this one with huge chunks of the government unstaffed.

00:21:13.000 This is pure dysfunction.

00:21:15.000 And Senator, understand my compassion to what you have to with this, but I think it's kind of outrageous we have to wait until September.

00:21:23.000 So walk me through this on a deeper level because waiting another 30 days to change the rules.

00:21:30.000 I mean, we have very important positions that need to happen now, very important ambassadorships.

00:21:36.000 Is it, did, did Chuck Schumer get what he wanted here by kind of blowing it all up and by delaying?

00:21:43.000 Make the case and explain further, please.

00:21:45.000 So the president, president right now can already put these people in position.

00:21:50.000 They just can't hold the title, but they can do the job as long as the president has deemed them to do a special envoy.

00:21:56.000 Like for instance, Steve Witkoff.

00:22:00.000 He can go ahead and put these people in position, but they're working essentially without pay.

00:22:07.000 So if you go ahead and you do the recess appointments, like I know you've talked about, we've talked about, it's a much more complicated process of that because what it takes, I'm not even getting into that.

00:22:18.000 Yeah, I'm not a whole separate deal.

00:22:21.000 So the recess appointments was going to cause a lot of complications.

00:22:26.000 So to for the for us to stay in, it was going to open the floor essentially for the Democrats to constantly take these votes.

00:22:37.000 Republicans were willing to do it.

00:22:38.000 100% we were willing to do it.

00:22:40.000 It was going to take a vote of Rama for us to do it, essentially, because we was going to have to keep the floor occupied.

00:22:45.000 And at the meantime, they could continue to put in these ridiculous votes that was going to make the Republicans take a vote on them.

00:22:54.000 The president didn't want those votes to be taken.

00:22:57.000 And so the solution was, is if we do go into recess, then the Democrats have a political play that they could play the entire month of August, which wouldn't move the needle at all.

00:23:10.000 Since these people can already do their job, they're just going to do it without pay.

00:23:14.000 By the way, if we do it underneath recess appointments, they're still going to do it without pay.

00:23:18.000 If we go back and we go ahead and change the rules, what happens at that point, we can start clearing the slate rather than having to go through a recess appointment over and over again.

00:23:28.000 Because remember, recess appointments mean we got to recess for a minimum of 10 days.

00:23:32.000 If we can change the rules, then we continue to move forward steadily and get all these people confirmed.

00:23:39.000 Now, talk real numbers.

00:23:41.000 This time in 2017, we only had 55 nominations confirmed for President Trump in 2017 versus today.

00:23:53.000 Right now, as we speak, we've already confirmed 136.

00:23:56.000 So we're way past double what President Trump had in 2017.

00:24:00.000 He's happy with where we're at.

00:24:02.000 We wouldn't have ever went, we would have never made a motion to adjourn if President Trump didn't want us to.

00:24:10.000 Because I'm telling you, Charlie, he was on the phone with us almost every other hour.

00:24:16.000 It was Lindsey Thune, or it was Lindsey Thune, Lindsey Graham, Leader Thune, myself, Katie Britt, Eric Schmidt, and Jim Rich was all talking with the president multiple times a day for trying to.

00:24:31.000 No, I get that.

00:24:32.000 And Senator, I'm not trying to question the wisdom of the president here.

00:24:35.000 It just looks like the president just got so ticked off with Chuck Schumer, said, forget it, just threw up his hands.

00:24:40.000 Like, I'm not going to negotiate with a terrorist.

00:24:43.000 And I understand that.

00:24:43.000 That's the best thing that can happen.

00:24:45.000 He was willing to tell Chuck Schumer to go pound sand.

00:24:48.000 That's not the way normal politics works.

00:24:50.000 Normal politics is, as you know, negotiate, negotiate, negotiate, negotiate.

00:24:54.000 And then you get to a 50-50.

00:24:56.000 President Trump had a clear stopping point.

00:24:58.000 Chuck Schumer pushed him too far and President Trump was willing to tell him, go pound sand.

00:25:06.000 I'm not so desperate that I have to have these appointments.

00:25:08.000 I will work around you by appointing these people as a special envoy.

00:25:12.000 I'm not going to give you one single penny.

00:25:15.000 And because you've done this, now you're going to force us to go change the House rules or the Senate rules.

00:25:21.000 So when he comes back and says we're using a nuclear option, no, we're able to pin it on Schumer and say, no, because you have filibustered every single one of President Trump's nominees, which is unheard of.

00:25:32.000 It has never been taken place.

00:25:33.000 It's never happened in the history of the United States.

00:25:36.000 You have forced us to make this change.

00:25:38.000 So it gives President Trump all months to make the case to the American people that Chuck Schumer took the nuclear option.

00:25:44.000 And now we're going to make the rule change to make the Senate work more efficient, which is honestly the best outcome.

00:25:52.000 I would make the argument because we're doing the rule change, we can fix this for the long term.

00:25:57.000 Hold on.

00:25:57.000 But so two things.

00:25:58.000 What will the rule change be?

00:26:00.000 And if I'm drawing on memory of some other conversations, doesn't the rule change require 60 votes or 67 or some goofy number?

00:26:08.000 Yeah.

00:26:08.000 So technically, it used to require 67.

00:26:11.000 Chuck Schumer changed it when he was in office.

00:26:14.000 And Mitch McConnell actually made a speech in 2017 and said, because you did this, you have forever changed the norms of the Senate.

00:26:24.000 And so Mitch McConnell was the one that warned Schumer for making the change.

00:26:27.000 He did make the change.

00:26:28.000 And now it put us in this situation.

00:26:30.000 So now we can do 51.

00:26:33.000 And we can do a simple, now we'll have to overrule the parliamentarian, which is fine.

00:26:38.000 We'll have the votes to overrule the parliamentarian.

00:26:39.000 Chuck Schumer did that prior to 2017.

00:26:43.000 So we will simply have to overrule the parliamentarian by a simple vote of 51, and then we can do the rule change at 51.

00:26:49.000 What the rules change would be, we have several options.

00:26:51.000 One, if we got to look at the tier.

00:26:54.000 So outside the president's cabinet and outside of second tier individuals and outside of judges.

00:26:59.000 So those would be still set at 30-hour debates.

00:27:04.000 Everybody else below that, we have two options.

00:27:07.000 Easiest option is that we take the motion from a two-hour debate down to a 15-minute debate.

00:27:15.000 And we're able to stay in executive session all day.

00:27:20.000 What happens right now is after every vote, we go automatically back to legislative session and we have to go back into executive session, which requires us to have two extra votes.

00:27:31.000 So every nominee takes four votes.

00:27:33.000 Each vote will take about 35 minutes to do plus a two hour debate.

00:27:36.000 So you got four hours plus on every person.

00:27:40.000 If we take away the executive calendar from the legislative calendar and have to go in and out, we can stay in it all day and we can just simply vote to end culture, 15-minute debate, vote.

00:27:51.000 The other option on that one, and so we go from four votes to two votes.

00:27:54.000 The other option on that one is to assume that the nominee that comes out of the committee to the floor would be a non-debatable and we could move them straight to the floor and for a four vote.

00:28:08.000 That is a tougher option because that takes role change actually out into the committee too.

00:28:15.000 And a lot of committee chairmen are territorial about that.

00:28:19.000 But you could do it.

00:28:21.000 I think the more likely option will be that we will do a similar vote, which will mean that anybody that comes out of the committee with a bipartisan vote can go straight to the floor for a vote.

00:28:33.000 And anyone else would take a 15-minute debate.

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00:29:34.000 Senator, you're going to make a point here, but can we expect wholesale systemic changes?

00:29:40.000 Because Senator, you can agree with us.

00:29:42.000 It's wrong to win an election and have a whole year pass by without 160 of your own people.

00:29:48.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:29:49.000 And by the way, Charlie, one of these, I'm going to grow up and be able to explain things as easy as you can because this stuff gets wonky.

00:29:58.000 Yes, you can expect wholesale change.

00:30:00.000 And what's interesting about this is we got a bunch of old guards in the Senate.

00:30:04.000 And when I say old guards, I mean they protect the establishment like this.

00:30:09.000 Like you do this and bow down to it.

00:30:11.000 Like when I used to walk into Joe Deborah, walk into a map.

00:30:15.000 But anyways, my point is, is Mitch McConnell's the one leading the change on this.

00:30:22.000 He stood up in conference.

00:30:23.000 And mind you, there's a few people that still listen to Mitch really heavy.

00:30:27.000 He stood up and made in conference and made the argument why we have to do this change.

00:30:32.000 So yes, you're going to expect real change.

00:30:34.000 Our goal is to be able to make the Senate work more efficiently.

00:30:38.000 Now, to keep in mind, there's a lot of Democrats that want the change too, because they're tired of the same thing.

00:30:44.000 They see what's happening with Chuck Schumer.

00:30:46.000 They understand that this is, you know, we're not always, I hope we do, but traditionally speaking, we're not always going to have a Republican president.

00:30:54.000 And this is going to be pushed on them too.

00:30:56.000 So they would like to have change so we can move this along.

00:30:59.000 80% of our time right now in the Senate is used on executive calendars trying to get these noms across the finish line.

00:31:07.000 And that's on both sides.

00:31:09.000 And I don't, I mean, listen, I wasn't a supporter of Biden at all.

00:31:12.000 Neither are you.

00:31:13.000 But the fact is they still need their people because they still need government to operate.

00:31:18.000 Well, and here's the thing.

00:31:20.000 You need your people, especially if you have a Senate majority.

00:31:22.000 Now, if you're not in the majority, then it's a whole different game advising consent.

00:31:27.000 But we have the majority.

00:31:28.000 We won.

00:31:29.000 Dave McCormick's a U.S. Senator.

00:31:32.000 We won elections to be able to do this.

00:31:35.000 And it is an overcompensation because Senator, I think you would agree.

00:31:39.000 This is the last question.

00:31:41.000 All of these archaic old crow ancestry rules are back when the U.S. Senate, unfortunately, your colleagues actually wanted what was best, and now they want something completely different. 0.58

00:31:53.000 The Senate, it was a club built on honor, and it was built on mutual respect.

00:31:59.000 I think that is gone, and the rules need to reflect the new character or lack thereof of the U.S. Senate.

00:32:05.000 Final thoughts, Senator Mark Wayne Mullen.

00:32:07.000 1,000% correct, Charlie.

00:32:08.000 We used to, there was decorum in the Senate that put America first.

00:32:12.000 That's why the Senate is elected to six years because you don't have to constantly have to play politics back home because politics do play a role in legislation.

00:32:24.000 The Senate was supposed to be somewhat above that, but you have Chuck Schumer that is literally afraid of his own shadow right now.

00:32:30.000 The fact is he knows he can't work with us because he's up for reelection and he's afraid AOC is going to run against him and beat him in his seat, which is absolutely accurate. 0.58

00:32:40.000 So therefore, it puts him in a, in a, in a, in a, um, in an ability, an inability to build and negotiate.

00:32:48.000 Then you have Corey Booker, who is clearly running for president in 2028.

00:32:54.000 And you have Chris Murphy, who is running for president in 2028.

00:32:58.000 They aren't willing to negotiate, and most of this stuff takes unanimous consent for us to be able to move forward.

00:33:03.000 So the only option we have is to make these changes.

00:33:07.000 And so therefore, we will make these changes.

00:33:10.000 When we come back in September, I think it's September 2nd, we will immediately proceed with a package that we're going to be working on all, literally all month, trying to get prepared and ready to vote on the rules change so we can start moving forward.

00:33:26.000 By the way, the president is, I can't express this enough, Charlie, how much he's involved in this.

00:33:31.000 He is working with us.

00:33:35.000 And I'm not questioning any of those decisions or wisdom.

00:33:37.000 I'm expressing skepticism that we're going to be able to get systemic change.

00:33:42.000 So I need you guys to keep the pressure on.

00:33:44.000 And forget the Democrats.

00:33:46.000 We keep on having these deadlines.

00:33:48.000 But my goodness, man, by the one-year election of Donald Trump's victory in November, if we don't have that 160 number to be zero, you will have a stolen presidency via personnel.

00:33:59.000 Well, yeah, we can't get to zero because we're constantly confirming more people.

00:34:03.000 They're constantly sending people over to us.

00:34:05.000 So we have 150 that were waiting on paperwork to be sent back to us from the White House plus 160 that we have.

00:34:11.000 So this is going to be an ongoing process, but we should have the backlog caught up.

00:34:16.000 Fine.

00:34:17.000 Yes.

00:34:18.000 Great.

00:34:18.000 So how about anyone that was submitted in January should be done in the next couple, like the next 30 to 60 days, right?

00:34:25.000 Someone that had their nomination form signed by the President of the United States on January 26th.

00:34:29.000 Come on, we got to get through that.

00:34:31.000 Senator, thank you so much.

00:34:32.000 And our eyes are watching the Senate.

00:34:34.000 We know it's not easy right now.

00:34:36.000 Thank you.

00:34:36.000 Charlie, thank you.

00:34:37.000 It's time to play hardball.

00:34:38.000 Same thing with the redistricting fight in Texas.

00:34:40.000 The Democrats, they don't want what's best.

00:34:43.000 They're gumming up the works.

00:34:44.000 They're experts at that.

00:34:45.000 They are delay bureaucratic obstructionists. 0.78

00:34:49.000 Run them over.

00:34:50.000 We won the election.

00:34:51.000 They didn't.

00:34:52.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:34:53.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:34:56.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - August 04, 2025

Texas Democrats Run For The Hill

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