The Charlie Kirk Show - The $14 Million "He Gets Us" Ad

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00:00:42.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:41.000 Lance, thank you for taking the time.

00:01:43.000 Lots I want to talk to you today about Lance, but first the He Gets Us advertisement.

00:01:48.000 I want you to really riff on this.

00:01:50.000 This is, I believe it was a $14 million spot.

00:01:55.000 So it cost $14 million to get this.

00:01:57.000 It was a one-minute commercial.

00:02:01.000 And some of the background is the Green family is primarily the funders of this. 0.80

00:02:08.000 And I understand there's a split in the family over who's actually supportive of this.

00:02:12.000 There's a brother and there's a son and then there's a patriarch, but it's a hundreds of millions of dollars that are being pumped behind this.

00:02:20.000 And I was approached by the He Gets Us team before it went public and I had some concerns, but it sounded good.

00:02:28.000 And as soon as I saw the ads, I said, this is really dangerous.

00:02:32.000 Lance, riff on it.

00:02:33.000 So here's what it is.

00:02:34.000 You got these Norman Rockwell pictures.

00:02:37.000 I mean, they really are Rockwell-esque, you know, kind of like vivid color of real people with detail in the picture.

00:02:43.000 But it's a series of pictures, which are, on one hand, you would love it.

00:02:49.000 You know, so here's an old white guy and here's an older African-American, and both of their feet are in a bucket at the same time. 0.99

00:02:56.000 Or there's, you know, there's an interracial washing of feet is the theme. 0.77

00:03:01.000 But then suddenly, interspersed in there is some very curious, subliminal propaganda.

00:03:06.000 You have a bus, which looks like illegal immigrants getting on a bus, but here you have a woman washing the feet of someone who's kind of like illegally entering or trying or getting dispersed in the United States. 1.00

00:03:18.000 Then you have another one where you have a guy who is clearly washing the feet of someone who's either trans or gay, flaming or queer or something. 0.91

00:03:28.000 And here's the point. 0.62

00:03:31.000 It wouldn't be so bad if you had the visuals and you go, that's kind of weird.

00:03:36.000 I like that one.

00:03:36.000 I don't like that one.

00:03:37.000 But the punchline, the conclusion of the entire multi-million dollar investment is these words that pop up at the end.

00:03:45.000 Jesus didn't teach hate.

00:03:48.000 He washed feet.

00:03:50.000 And that's what bothered me.

00:03:52.000 What bothered me is they took advantage of the emotion and the yearning in America.

00:03:58.000 The Super Bowl is really the desire of Americans to get away from politics and moralizing.

00:04:04.000 Let me just enjoy a game for a moment, will you?

00:04:06.000 The left ruins everything they touch, and they will ruin even generous philanthropic endeavors like the Green family is doing, because somehow the endorsement isn't on speaking truth and restoring America and having grace for our differences.

00:04:26.000 It's condemning those that are speaking truth in order to save the nation.

00:04:32.000 This, he washed feet, he didn't teach hate is a misrepresentation of the gospel.

00:04:39.000 Jesus, when Jesus showed up, they didn't kill him because he wasn't controversial.

00:04:44.000 Somebody didn't like what he was saying.

00:04:47.000 And so the reality is grace and truth came by Jesus.

00:04:51.000 These people with the woke religious Jesus are presenting another Jesus.

00:04:57.000 Interesting, the Apostle Paul said something in Corinth.

00:04:59.000 And if you want to look it up, you Bible students go to 2 Corinthians.

00:05:02.000 I think it's chapter 11, verse 4.

00:05:04.000 He said, be careful lest somebody comes and preaches a different Jesus than the one that I preached, or that you listen to a different gospel than the one that I preached.

00:05:15.000 Because the gospel of the kingdom right now for America is we are in a critical moment and we need to have truth and grace.

00:05:23.000 We can't have this false religious sentimentality.

00:05:27.000 That's my take.

00:05:28.000 In addition, it also plays into right-wing bad, left-wing good.

00:05:33.000 If you look at these images, for example, the one that I saw, which is like the climate activist has her feet being washed by the oil guy.

00:05:43.000 There was one with the abortion.

00:05:45.000 There's one with like the race relations.

00:05:47.000 So that was a subtext throughout.

00:05:49.000 But also just to make sure we're theologically clear here, there are a couple instances of feet washing in the scriptures.

00:05:57.000 The most famous is Jesus having his feet washed by, I believe, Mary Magdalene and having the most, you know, expensive perfume being used.

00:06:07.000 The other is him washing his disciples' feet of Peter and Judas.

00:06:12.000 Just using that as an isolated theological, what are the takeaways?

00:06:16.000 I know for certain the takeaway, one of the takeaways for the Mary Magdalene example is that some of the other onlookers said, how dare you use the nicest perfume?

00:06:24.000 And Jesus says, effectively, like, hey, you're always going to have poor people, but you only have me right now.

00:06:31.000 It's about worshiping Christ above all.

00:06:33.000 Lance, was that the takeaway here?

00:06:35.000 This felt social justice-y.

00:06:38.000 Oh, oh, the whole, a lot of the commercials were.

00:06:41.000 And for me, it was like really painful because this is so sophisticated.

00:06:46.000 I mean, it's getting at you at so many subliminal levels.

00:06:49.000 But I'm so glad you picked up on the Planned Parenthood was in the backdrop of, and that's the only second time I saw the commercial because these torment me.

00:06:57.000 Once I don't like them, I hate watching them.

00:06:59.000 But on TV, I'm constantly having to replay them.

00:07:02.000 But the reality is they're trying to brainwash America into seeing the MAGA movement, the Trumpian clarity is going to be coming under attack as hate.

00:07:16.000 And what makes this insidious, Charlie, is let's talk about foot washing for a second.

00:07:20.000 Foot washing is in the Middle East.

00:07:23.000 It isn't common now.

00:07:25.000 It's a bit unusual now.

00:07:26.000 I've done this in churches.

00:07:27.000 It's a bit awkward.

00:07:29.000 But foot washing in the Middle East is you walk around in the dirt and in the dust with your sandals. 0.97

00:07:34.000 So if you're a rabbi or a teacher or a preacher, you would, somebody who would wash your feet was essentially refreshing the messenger.

00:07:44.000 So it was mostly done with believers, as you see there.

00:07:47.000 It was Mary Magdalene to Jesus.

00:07:48.000 It was Jesus to the disciples.

00:07:50.000 He never did a foot washing ceremony in Galilee, you know, as a way of showing that he was against hate speech.

00:07:56.000 And so the, it's, it's, it's, and putting it in its proper context, it's to refresh the messenger of God, which would actually mean that this is a misrepresentation because those people getting their feet washed aren't messengers of God.

00:08:12.000 But I put that aside, an act of service, an act of kindness, an act of humility is consistent with Christianity.

00:08:19.000 But to label those that are being truthful, like your show, princes, you will say hard things.

00:08:26.000 And that's that people that watch that, that are religious, will say, see, Charlie Kirk isn't a good Christian.

00:08:33.000 Charlie Kirk doesn't represent me.

00:08:34.000 Well, no, because you've got a woke Jesus instead of the real Jesus. 0.52

00:08:38.000 Yeah, and Jesus Christ, the living God, is grace and truth.

00:08:44.000 And I just want to say, I've always gotten along great with the Green family.

00:08:48.000 I understand based on reports that the Green family is divided on these ads, that there is not...

00:08:55.000 Can you comment on that, Lance?

00:08:56.000 Yes, only you can get me into these dangerous waters.

00:09:00.000 It's actually Russell Moore.

00:09:02.000 Russell Moore was the professor for the son-in-law, and he was a mentor.

00:09:06.000 And what happens with these great Christian families is somebody on the left works their way into the foundation and starts pitching their...

00:09:16.000 So somewhere in the fingerprints of Russell Moore are connected or his entourage.

00:09:20.000 Including the daughter, Lauren Green McAfee, who I've met and I like.

00:09:25.000 She's just, she's just so off base on this.

00:09:28.000 Russell Moore is suppressive forces.

00:09:32.000 I've supported them.

00:09:33.000 I helped do a launching for his ministry, the son-in-law's ministry.

00:09:36.000 I spoke there with Pat Robertson.

00:09:38.000 I support them.

00:09:38.000 And what they've done in the Bible is amazing.

00:09:41.000 It deserves credit.

00:09:42.000 So I champion them.

00:09:44.000 But Charlie, I grieve when I see the resources in the kingdom going to the wrong causes like this.

00:09:51.000 So, Lance, imagine if you were given $14 million to tell the world about Jesus.

00:09:57.000 I want to be positive.

00:09:59.000 Let's just paint an alternative.

00:10:00.000 What would you have done in a one-minute Super Bowl ad in front of 100 million people?

00:10:05.000 Well, now that's a powerful question.

00:10:07.000 I think what I would do is I would take a segment and start to share how America is in a moment of crises.

00:10:16.000 And like many nations, we could actually go down into oblivion except for a move of God.

00:10:22.000 And if you're looking for politicians to solve your problem, that's only one part of the equation.

00:10:29.000 You yourself have got to respond.

00:10:30.000 Billy Graham had his biggest and greatest impact by warning America that nuclear holocaust was possible with Russia and atheistic communism would take America.

00:10:40.000 He put the fear of God in people and said, and what will happen to you if America goes down?

00:10:46.000 Is your soul right with God?

00:10:48.000 I mean, boom, people came by the millions and people forget it was fear that motivated them to repentance.

00:10:54.000 And ultimately the fear of the Lord.

00:10:55.000 And that's the most important thing that we must understand, that there is a judgment that all of us will face.

00:11:01.000 And, you know, I think that's one of the reasons why, Lance, this has been met with such widespread criticism, is that we take our faith so seriously and we want the best possible representation of our faith and truth to be put on display and not a watered down social justice version.

00:11:20.000 And I'll just tell you one-off anecdote is that a conservative non-Christian friend of mine texted me and he said, is this really what Christianity has become?

00:11:28.000 So here I am trying to win over this conservative guy for Jesus, and he feels as if he's watching like a moveon.org commercial.

00:11:37.000 Oh, you know, it's like the crew thing that you sent me.

00:11:41.000 I looked at the other day, warning about stay away from politics.

00:11:46.000 That's the devil's theme right now with all the churches is stay away from politics.

00:11:51.000 It's like, don't hang out with Bonhoeffer.

00:11:54.000 He's going to get you in trouble, you know?

00:11:57.000 What's weird is that Jesus is being misrepresented.

00:12:00.000 And that's the part that bothers me most because that Jesus, woke Jesus, is not going to excite a movement.

00:12:08.000 But truth, Jesus, with grace and truth, I believe is what will cause the multitudes to resonate.

00:12:14.000 Amen.

00:12:15.000 So, Lance, shifting gears here, I want to get, actually, you know, one last thing on this.

00:12:20.000 We finally have this tape.

00:12:20.000 Let's play Cut 42.

00:12:21.000 This is from my appearance on the whatever podcast, the He Gets Us style of Christianity.

00:12:27.000 There was a young lady on there who I felt sorry for. 1.00

00:12:31.000 She's an online stripper, and she says, Well, I know God doesn't want me to do it, but Jesus loves me, so it's just perfectly fine.

00:12:37.000 And she wears a cross while she does her stripping. 1.00

00:12:39.000 That is where He Gets Us Christianity leads you. 0.99

00:12:42.000 All grace, no truth.

00:12:44.000 Who cares?

00:12:44.000 I could be a stripper in the name of Jesus.

00:12:46.000 Play Cut 42. 0.99

00:12:48.000 Do you wear your cross while you're shooting pornographic content?

00:12:51.000 I probably have, yes.

00:12:53.000 You probably have.

00:12:55.000 How do you reconcile?

00:12:56.000 Are you Christian?

00:12:57.000 I, well, I grew up Catholic.

00:13:00.000 Okay, Catholic.

00:13:01.000 My mom is, we grew up Catholic as my dad, and my mom is Christian.

00:13:05.000 Do you think God wants you doing adult content?

00:13:11.000 Split neck.

00:13:13.000 Probably not.

00:13:14.000 So she wears the cross, Lance.

00:13:16.000 She knows she shouldn't, but she does it in the name of God anyway.

00:13:20.000 Yeah, and you know, my pastoral side, because I've done business, I've pasted, I've done a lot of different stuff in my life.

00:13:28.000 I look at her and I say, okay, you grew up Catholic, your mom's a Christian.

00:13:32.000 That's code language to me that she's probably not had a real personal encounter with Jesus.

00:13:37.000 So I would move from the subject of, you know, what you're doing, probably, if you were to die while you're stripping, would it embarrass you to go in that condition into the presence of God?

00:13:49.000 And then go from there and say, why don't we just pray right now so that you'll never, you'll know exactly what God wants to do with you and you won't have these struggles.

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00:15:04.000 So Lance, there was this piece that you texted me all about pushing back against Rob Reiner's Christian nationalism.

00:15:10.000 Walk our audience through it.

00:15:12.000 So the left now has got funding, and they are going to be coming after Christians. 0.76

00:15:17.000 I mean, you've got the woke Jesus commercials.

00:15:21.000 You've got, I'm going to talk in one segment here, a bombshell revelation on a key leader in the business and church community who is warning pastors not to get involved with politics.

00:15:34.000 But the attack tells me that from a spiritual point of view, the powers of darkness that are trying to take down America recognize that it's Christianity that is their big battle right now. 0.55

00:15:46.000 It wasn't before.

00:15:46.000 And right now we're on the front lines.

00:15:48.000 Rob Reiner has a movie where he is, he is, and thank God it's Rob Reiner because it's totally unsophisticated.

00:15:54.000 And that's good for us because we can tear it apart.

00:15:55.000 But Rob is leading a crusade to educate Americans on the danger of God and country.

00:16:03.000 That's the people that are really all about God and country and Christian nationalism.

00:16:08.000 And oddly enough, let me just say, I'll just go right to a jugular right here.

00:16:11.000 He says it's a dangerous movement, these Christians, these what, what, what? 1.00

00:16:15.000 These pro-life Catholics and show far-blowing Pentecostals. 0.98

00:16:19.000 They're dangerous, I tell you.

00:16:20.000 And he points out that we have that mass shooter who killed 10 victims in Buffalo, New York in May of 2022.

00:16:29.000 The only problem is the mass shooter had no connection with Jesus Christianity or anything, but like anything else, the back channel was actually to the left.

00:16:37.000 It wasn't actually a Christian, but he's saying, ha ha, that kind of shooting comes because of the incendiary worldview of Christianity.

00:16:45.000 Here's the reality.

00:16:46.000 Breaking news today, Lakeland church shooter identified as transgender immigrant from El Salvador.

00:16:53.000 This was a shooting that happened at Joe Loste's Lakeland Church yesterday.

00:16:57.000 And now that it's a transgender immigrant, originally Jeffrey, now transitioned, I guess, to a woman, and came in and did the shooting. 0.99

00:17:06.000 So what do I know?

00:17:08.000 I know that the danger of the Karl Reiner trying to accuse us of being flamethrowers that are inciting violence is it incites violence against the innocent.

00:17:20.000 And Rob Reiner needs to be held.

00:17:22.000 He needs to be pushed back on strongly.

00:17:24.000 He says we've got an agenda to pat the courts and get rid of democracy.

00:17:28.000 He thinks that Roe v. Wade getting overturned was an assault on the freedom of America.

00:17:33.000 And he's convinced that our movement is power worshippers who are into the business of idolatry in politics because we're power worshipers and we can't wait to get power, which is oddly enough a projection of everything the left does.

00:17:51.000 But I mean, you got the trailer has me in it.

00:17:53.000 That's why I'm sensitive.

00:17:55.000 And oh, you know what I say?

00:17:56.000 There's a line where I say, America shall be saved.

00:18:00.000 And they're using it as a warning that people like me exist.

00:18:05.000 And I realize that in their mind, they think when we say America shall be saved, that I guess they think we're like natural libre.

00:18:13.000 We're going to force them to be baptized or something like that. 0.99

00:18:16.000 But in my mind, I'm trying to, I'm looking at a drowning swimmer and saying, don't worry, we're going to get out there and rescue you, America.

00:18:24.000 You're not going to go under.

00:18:26.000 So they're hearing a totally different thing.

00:18:28.000 So anyway, that's my update on Meathead's movie.

00:18:32.000 And just reiterate something, Lance.

00:18:35.000 This is a well-funded, well-researched campaign.

00:18:39.000 I believe they think that if Christians continue in their current trajectory, they're going to be unsuccessful in November. 1.00

00:18:46.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:18:47.000 I do believe that they see, that's why, Charlie, you get, I mean, it's a weird thing, isn't it?

00:18:53.000 You get a lot more negative press than the average bear, but it's because Lance, I've never gotten negative press.

00:19:01.000 I, you know, what's funny about your program is I love to watch it when I can't.

00:19:04.000 And if I miss it, I can always catch up on the most explosive thing you've said because I read it in the criticisms that I write.

00:19:13.000 I was like, so it's free.

00:19:15.000 It's free advertising.

00:19:17.000 So I know exactly what's going on, even when I'm not watching, because you're getting press from the left.

00:19:23.000 Yeah, the basic truth is they're setting us up to look like an irrational, dangerous, and that's where that commercial bothers me, the hate movement, like they did with Trump.

00:19:34.000 Remember that?

00:19:35.000 He's all about hate.

00:19:36.000 He's all about hate.

00:19:37.000 And he wasn't.

00:19:38.000 The riots that were happening are the incidents in his rallies were planted by the left, who, by the way, are burning down cities, burning up limos, police precincts.

00:19:48.000 Not any evangelical has ever done that.

00:19:52.000 So Lance, what is your response when people say, Lance, I just want to preach the gospel.

00:19:57.000 This is dividing the kingdom.

00:19:59.000 It's too nasty right now.

00:20:00.000 I just want to preach the gospel.

00:20:03.000 Fascinating study was done by a thesis written by a PhD student. who wanted to see what was preached in the United States during the Civil War.

00:20:10.000 In the North, they were preaching the justice and the righteousness of emancipating the South from slavery.

00:20:17.000 In the South, they were preaching the injustice of the North, forcing them to comply with their federal government control.

00:20:25.000 The border states, Charlie Kirk, preached, stay out of politics and focus on the kingdom.

00:20:32.000 What that tells me is that almost all churches today are like Maryland or Kentucky or Delaware.

00:20:38.000 They are border state churches that are acting political because the winds of adversity are making them tack in such a direction that they will not provoke anyone by speaking truth.

00:20:53.000 These are border state pastors and churches.

00:20:56.000 And the psychology is what fascinates me of people that remain on the fence and remain on the border.

00:21:03.000 Where did this begin to go wrong, Lance?

00:21:05.000 Because the American church used to be very political a couple decades ago.

00:21:09.000 Yeah, I'll tell you where it went south.

00:21:12.000 It went south when America had a prolonged period of peace and prosperity and didn't recognize the threat of the left.

00:21:18.000 I have a 1983 leadership magazine, which captures the seminal moment when Jack Hayford and Rick Warren were discussing that the best way to change America in the culture war is to build better churches and more churches where they preach the gospel.

00:21:38.000 Meanwhile, it was D. James Kennedy and others that said, well, while you're doing that, pray to God that the Marxists don't take over America because they will shut down your church within 30 years if you pursue that.

00:21:51.000 You're called to disciple the nation and win souls, not just build churches.

00:21:56.000 That moment captured the future trajectory of America.

00:22:00.000 You know, there recently, and I would like your response to this, just last couple of days, one of the branches of Willow Creek Community Church is closing.

00:22:11.000 I passively used to attend Willow Creek Community Church in the suburbs of Chicago.

00:22:15.000 Bill Heibels was a great communicator, especially as a new Christian.

00:22:18.000 But as you dive deeper, you realize that there wasn't a lot of depth there.

00:22:22.000 But initial stages, I have to say, he was very helpful to me.

00:22:25.000 Do you think, though, the Willow Creekification of the American church was a negative thing where it came in overly corporate, you know, stay away from the controversial issues?

00:22:34.000 Listen, I worked for a while as a church growth consultant.

00:22:39.000 I was actually in, and, you know, we had a Wall Street company.

00:22:42.000 I was in the oil business.

00:22:43.000 When I went into ministry, I would moonlight as a consultant and help help nonprofits grow.

00:22:49.000 So there was a cottage industry of how to grow a church.

00:22:52.000 It's an entrepreneurial phenomenon, how to get the traffic in, have seven points of contact.

00:22:57.000 And when they come in so that they feel as though they're, and there really is a strategy to building a business.

00:23:03.000 So what happened is church growth became a managerial science.

00:23:08.000 But what we didn't recognize is that building bigger churches did not build more influence and culture.

00:23:14.000 We neglected what the left was doing on the campuses that you're making up for now in your generation.

00:23:20.000 We neglected that media was being taken over by the left.

00:23:23.000 And because we didn't understand how the devil will fill the void of our negligence, we built big churches.

00:23:31.000 And then another mistake happened.

00:23:33.000 Toronto for Pentecostals and charismatics, the fastest growing wing of Christianity globally happens to be Pentecostal, spirit-filled, and that kind of stuff.

00:23:41.000 And so, you have a Toronto, Pensacola, various moves of God.

00:23:46.000 And this became the alternative.

00:23:48.000 If you weren't into church growth, you were into the supernatural.

00:23:51.000 And so, both of them created ditches.

00:23:54.000 Neither of them would go into the seven mountains of culture.

00:23:57.000 And so, for 25 years, I'd be like the lone prophet saying, If we don't go into media, it's going to be taken over.

00:24:03.000 If we don't go into politics, they're going to chuck you down.

00:24:07.000 And I prophesied it, and now I'm watching it happen.

00:24:11.000 And it's a little bit late to the game.

00:24:13.000 People are going, you know, I think you have a point.

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00:25:10.000 Lance, there's a person in major church Christian world that is saying we shouldn't get involved in politics.

00:25:16.000 Do I have that right?

00:25:17.000 You have it exactly right, Charlie.

00:25:18.000 This is really challenging for me to share this.

00:25:21.000 It's kind of like when a Catholic disagrees with the Pope, you know, you really think about how hard you're going to go on the subject.

00:25:29.000 But I have been a student of leadership development.

00:25:32.000 You know, I got a consulting company, business background.

00:25:36.000 And one of the key leaders who the church has embraced as an almost Solomon-like guru for success and wisdom has come out powerfully, shutting down churches from engagement in the political crises of our century.

00:25:52.000 So I'll read to you.

00:25:54.000 I found this out from a pastor who had attended.

00:25:56.000 And they wrote to me and said, I was attending a pastor's conference for churches with 1,000 or more people.

00:26:03.000 So we're talking about the strong churches.

00:26:06.000 We heard over and over again, we are not to say anything that could be taken as political or controversial.

00:26:12.000 Pastors are not to be involved in politics at all.

00:26:14.000 Pastors should not be involved in politics because it divides people.

00:26:19.000 And a clear message: just love people, which goes to that, you know, Jesus didn't preach hate thing, right?

00:26:25.000 Just love people and don't do anything that would divide people.

00:26:29.000 John Maxwell stunned me with his strong rebuke of those who take a political stand or position in this hour.

00:26:39.000 We are to be silent in the face of evil.

00:26:42.000 Maxwell made it clear that if you bring up anything political, if as a pastor, you bring up anything political, you are trusting politicians rather than Jesus.

00:26:53.000 We have to deal with that right now.

00:26:55.000 You're trusting politicians rather than Jesus.

00:26:58.000 And so she said, the worst part is that pastors at the conference kept leaning over all around me and saying, this is so good.

00:27:07.000 This is gold.

00:27:08.000 This is so good.

00:27:09.000 They're all like encouraging each other because they all are border state pastors right now and they're thankful they don't have to deal with the issue of slavery.

00:27:18.000 So it's pretty clear, don't be political, just preach the gospel.

00:27:21.000 Shame on you if you're political.

00:27:23.000 You don't need Christians to be political. 1.00

00:27:25.000 Oh my gosh, we don't need Christians to bring, we need Christians to bring people together, not divide.

00:27:31.000 So what is your thought?

00:27:32.000 First of all, how would you answer that, Charlie?

00:27:34.000 Are we taking anything in?

00:27:36.000 I'd say, how dare you, John Maxwell?

00:27:36.000 How I would answer this?

00:27:39.000 They just locked down the church for a year and a half to two years, and you're telling us not to be political?

00:27:44.000 I mean, marijuana dispensaries and liquor stores remained open in strip clubs, and more people killed themselves and got addicted to alcohol and drugs.

00:27:53.000 And you as a leadership development coach have the gall to get up on stage and tell people to not be political?

00:27:59.000 No, politics came into the church.

00:28:01.000 They locked down the church.

00:28:03.000 They labeled the church not essential.

00:28:05.000 It divides us.

00:28:06.000 No, they divided us.

00:28:09.000 This is a guy I used to respect.

00:28:12.000 How dare he, honestly?

00:28:13.000 Like, he's preaching Pat.

00:28:15.000 I'm going to call him.

00:28:15.000 He's teaching Pat.

00:28:17.000 This is outrageous if he actually said what this person said.

00:28:20.000 Yes, exactly.

00:28:21.000 And the reason why this is so important is because, you know, you look at the, I remember Rush Lindbaugh talked about at the Super Bowl, the NFL owners.

00:28:30.000 He said, they're really stuck because it's like CEOs in America.

00:28:35.000 They're hearing something and they believe that what they're hearing is true and represents America.

00:28:42.000 What these pastors need to know and what John Maxwell needs to find out right now is that the majority of Americans in the pew are not going to be politically correct because political correctness is killing America.

00:28:56.000 The inability to speak the truth regarding whether a man is a man or a woman is a woman is choking us.

00:29:04.000 So the idea that we are seeking a solution in politics rather than from heaven is the opposite of the reality, which is we are praying to God for help and God is giving us a mechanism with which to influence the future of America by electing people that reflect our values.

00:29:26.000 If you don't show up in this political battle, then you are actually voting for the devil to take over America.

00:29:36.000 And these pastors that are being told not to take a stand, what they should be told is you don't ever have to be obnoxious or divisive.

00:29:43.000 You're not in the business of doing that any more than Jesus was.

00:29:46.000 But you are in the business of learning and developing the skill and the acumen to teach your people how to think biblically and vote biblically.

00:29:56.000 That's their job.

00:29:58.000 So was this at a this was at a church leadership development conference that he said this?

00:30:03.000 This was at a denominational conference.

00:30:07.000 Do we have a video of it that we could get our hands on?

00:30:10.000 Well, I'll bet you, you know, I'll bet you right now, as soon as your broadcast goes out, they'll clamp that thing down.

00:30:15.000 But it's an assembly of God denominational conference.

00:30:20.000 I must say that.

00:30:21.000 Those used to be the most politically engaged and involved, Lance.

00:30:24.000 I didn't know that, but think about that.

00:30:26.000 So it's an assembly of God.

00:30:28.000 So this basically would be the most influential.

00:30:32.000 Here's my point.

00:30:33.000 Everyone listening to this broadcast, if you go to an assembly of God church that has a thousand or more people, you need to let your pastor know that you're standing behind them, speaking boldly, courageously, and with wisdom to educate the church on biblical citizenship and what the word of God says on the issues that are going to be debated in this election.

00:30:58.000 You've got to do it because what Maxwell's saying is, ironically, stay out of politics, pastor, which tells the pastor to be a politician in the poll.

00:31:08.000 It's also, but does that, so I ask John, I mean this sincerely, and John Maxwell is welcome to come on the program and defend it.

00:31:13.000 Do you stay out of morality?

00:31:15.000 Do you not teach the Ten Commandments?

00:31:17.000 Do you just say, hey, we don't want to divide people, so we're just going to say that homosexuality is fine and we're going to say transgenderism is fine. 0.99

00:31:26.000 Child rape is fine. 1.00

00:31:27.000 I think you're right.

00:31:28.000 I think it goes right to the root of an error my generation committed, which is we thought if we focused on building the church and staying positive and avoiding controversial issues, we could gather a bigger crowd and then influence them to be better Christians and they would therefore influence the nation to be more Christian.

00:31:49.000 It didn't work.

00:31:50.000 But you'll find Dallas, Texas, for instance, has more mega churches than Mecca has mosques, I assume.

00:31:56.000 But the church has been absolutely impudent in shaping the influence of the left-wing agenda in the schools or in Dallas, Texas.

00:32:08.000 And the only time we've ever took ground was when the church raised up an awareness of what's going on on the school boards and took them over.

00:32:19.000 I just want to know very clearly from John Maxwell: is it wrong for a pastor to say from the pulpit that 13-year-olds shouldn't get chemical castration or what's called gender reassignment surgery?

00:32:34.000 Is that being political?

00:32:36.000 Or is, I mean, does that divide people?

00:32:38.000 Is it wrong for a pastor to say in an individual counseling session, the position of this church is that your 15-year-old should not take hormone blockers or testosterone replacement therapy?

00:32:51.000 I'm just wondering, is that we don't do that because we're not political.

00:32:54.000 I mean, and by the way, how many senators, I've heard this from people in Congress and Senate, they said, you know what?

00:33:01.000 We'd be a lot bolder if you guys were a lot bolder.

00:33:04.000 In other words, that philosophy takes a person who hears the call of God to run for public office and they courageously go out and get slandered, have research done on their background.

00:33:15.000 Any sin they've ever committed is now public knowledge.

00:33:18.000 And they do it out of obedience to the call of God.

00:33:20.000 And the church doesn't support them because they've been taught by this philosophy that you don't get involved with politics.

00:33:28.000 And because we're not involved with politics, we're creating a vacuum and the devil will fill a vacuum.

00:33:36.000 And it just, it just sounds so good because you stay from stage, oh, you know, don't get involved in this.

00:33:36.000 That's exactly right.

00:33:44.000 You know, that's my, but it's just, it falls apart immediately.

00:33:47.000 So my next question to John Maxwell would be: okay, let's say that the city of Atlanta says that church is non-essential again, because there's some abstract virus.

00:33:59.000 How would you react to that, John Maxwell?

00:34:01.000 Do you think it was okay that the church was labeled non-essential?

00:34:05.000 Was it a political statement to respond to that?

00:34:09.000 Or let's go ahead and say we end up going in the direction of Canada.

00:34:12.000 And now in the pulpit, it's considered hate speech for you to actually advocate for traditional marriage values because it's interpreted as intolerant of gay marriage.

00:34:26.000 So are you going to say avoid that subject?

00:34:29.000 Because or now, here's what I think John Maxwell will do.

00:34:32.000 Because John is a brilliant guy.

00:34:33.000 I mean, I studied him.

00:34:35.000 He's mentored me.

00:34:36.000 I was almost a Maxwell coach.

00:34:38.000 I was just too busy to do the certification.

00:34:40.000 Here's what he will probably say.

00:34:43.000 I never said what you said.

00:34:46.000 I merely pointed out that getting involved with, and he'll qualify it, and then he'll make the statement that, of course, I believe Christians should be vocal in their witness and they could serve in business.

00:35:00.000 I've got all these CEOs, corporations.

00:35:02.000 I believe Christianity fits.

00:35:04.000 Here's the point that I would make.

00:35:06.000 These pastors did not walk away with that impression.

00:35:10.000 Their 18-year-old daughter sat there and instead of getting strength from a leader like Maxwell, instead of these pastors feeling infused with fresh vigor and vitality for the battle of America, they're all going away high-fiving each other saying, I'm not going to bring up Trump or anything that's controversial.

00:35:27.000 That 18-year-old went with her heart busted up because our generation, my generation, the reason why I'm so moved by this is I look at you, Charlie, and I say, you're the generation we screwed up.

00:35:38.000 We're handing off to you our negligence.

00:35:40.000 It's all the cumulative wisdom of my generation building big churches and seeking revival that has left you a culture in collapse.

00:35:48.000 And I apologize.

00:35:50.000 John, stop saying you didn't say what you said.

00:35:54.000 Yeah, and there's no need to apologize, Lance.

00:35:57.000 It's because we had a great country and we did what every great country does, which is you get passive and you focus on the immediate and all of a sudden the enemy never rests.

00:36:09.000 And now it's time for action.

00:36:10.000 What I won't accept, though, is I won't accept people living in denial that everything's fine.

00:36:15.000 You know, I don't love this idea where, you know, baby boomers need to like perpetually apologize for stuff. 1.00

00:36:22.000 It's like, okay, if you're in the fight now, no need.

00:36:25.000 What I can't stand is for people to say, don't fight.

00:36:29.000 Don't fight.

00:36:31.000 That I find to be morally repulsive.

00:36:34.000 Yep.

00:36:35.000 And that's the reason why you and I are going to be going out this year.

00:36:38.000 And for every date that I can get you out there, we're going to be doing a thing called the courage tour because this kind of Maxwelling is what produces anxiety.

00:36:49.000 What we need is courage.

00:36:50.000 More than ever before, we need to be like Joshua, be bold and courageous because God is giving us a moment to, let's say that there's an extension of grace coming to America.

00:37:00.000 There's a period where God is going to push back on the madness.

00:37:04.000 I can see it happening even in the Super Bowl ads.

00:37:07.000 As woke as they were, the Bud Light moment did wake up corporate America and they realized maybe we're getting, maybe our consultants are out of touch with America because America is not left.

00:37:20.000 America is center right.

00:37:22.000 It needs courageous leadership.

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00:38:29.000 Lance, I know you have a whiteboard somewhere, right?

00:38:31.000 So we have...

00:38:32.000 I do.

00:38:33.000 Yeah, go do the Karl Rove thing.

00:38:34.000 All right.

00:38:35.000 Lance is he's going to get some sort of a whiteboard here.

00:38:40.000 It's the Karl Rove thing.

00:38:41.000 I love it.

00:38:42.000 All right.

00:38:43.000 So here's the deal.

00:38:45.000 I just, I was so upset with this John Maxwell situation that I went to a big church in Carolina, and a lot of them have had John there in their churches.

00:38:53.000 So they were really mad at me, but I said, listen, you have to understand how do you approach the political.

00:39:00.000 You pastors have to have a better strategy.

00:39:02.000 You don't have to approach it the way that they're talking about.

00:39:05.000 Start with what does the word of God say?

00:39:08.000 So here's the Bible.

00:39:10.000 What does the word of God say?

00:39:11.000 Because that forms your principles.

00:39:14.000 And those that are listening instead of seeing this, I'm just writing principles.

00:39:18.000 Now, your principles should shape your policies.

00:39:23.000 Policies about marriage, policies about life, policies about debt, $35 trillion, policies about your borders.

00:39:29.000 Your policies create a platform.

00:39:33.000 Your platform is what your party is going to run on.

00:39:37.000 Your candidates are on the delitless test of the platform based on policies rooted in principles that are biblical in their worldview.

00:39:45.000 And finally, you have a personality, and that becomes your politician or your candidate.

00:39:52.000 This is the iceberg.

00:39:53.000 Look at it this way.

00:39:54.000 The iceberg goes like this.

00:39:57.000 All of this area, platform, policy, principle is under the surface.

00:40:01.000 Everybody will focus on a Democrat and a Republican.

00:40:05.000 Don't let the battle be about the personality.

00:40:08.000 Focus on the platform, the policies, and above all things, pastors, teach biblical principles, because if you do that, the rest takes care of itself.

00:40:20.000 If you avoid these subjects because it's not good for church growth, you might lose your people to the pulpit that is preaching what God calls them to say.

00:40:30.000 That's my thought, Charlie Kirk.

00:40:31.000 That's beautifully well done.

00:40:33.000 So Lance, where do most people go wrong on that ladder, that ascension from the Bible?

00:40:39.000 Where is the greatest fault?

00:40:41.000 The greatest fault, George Barner research.

00:40:44.000 We have the data on this.

00:40:45.000 We study it.

00:40:46.000 90% of people in the church want to hear their church talk about the biblical basis for heterosexual versus homosexual marriage.

00:40:56.000 The biblical basis for life versus abortion.

00:40:59.000 They're asking their pastors to talk about things the pastor refuses to talk about because John Maxwell says avoid it.

00:41:06.000 It's amazing.

00:41:07.000 So Lance, build this out as marching orders.

00:41:09.000 Trump is going to be the nominee.

00:41:12.000 I truly believe that there is an effort to try to trim the Christian support. 0.91

00:41:22.000 What is your argument?

00:41:23.000 How should we approach this strategically?

00:41:25.000 The strategy is, listen, every state, you're going to have to engage.

00:41:31.000 I think sometimes Christians make the mistake of thinking that the national is where their focus is.

00:41:37.000 The truth of the matter is you have disproportionate influence locally.

00:41:40.000 Therefore, we believe, and Charlie's kind of convinced me of this in his own persistent way, that there are certain key states and certain key counties.

00:41:50.000 Therefore, everyone must do a full court press locally.

00:41:50.000 Thank you, Lance.

00:41:54.000 Yes.

00:41:54.000 But there are going to be Arizona and Wisconsin and Georgia.

00:41:59.000 I think Michigan's back in play.

00:42:02.000 I grew up in Bucks County, Pennsylvania.

00:42:04.000 Pennsylvania has a potential there.

00:42:07.000 Carolina, Nevada.

00:42:09.000 Look, what I'm listing is 19 counties, seven or so key states, and we want to go focus the battle on those very frontline places.

00:42:20.000 And so when you get into the details on this stuff, and you all ought to learn this because you're a smart audience.

00:42:26.000 I love the audience you've got.

00:42:28.000 There are counties where you have underperforming Christians.

00:42:32.000 And it's weird.

00:42:33.000 We got data.

00:42:34.000 In other words, conservatives and Christians should be showing up at this level, but they underperform. 1.00

00:42:39.000 You know why?

00:42:40.000 Well, maybe they don't know the urgency of the issues.

00:42:44.000 Maybe they're not even involved with the church and they're only listening to the secular news.

00:42:48.000 They're misinformed.

00:42:50.000 Or maybe they need you.

00:42:52.000 So what we're doing, Charlie, is we're working with you guys in order to help mobilize these churches that can be awake, that we can help to strengthen you.

00:43:04.000 You're going to grow.

00:43:04.000 This year, there's going to be church growth for people that are patriots.

00:43:07.000 We want to mobilize the people that are in your church to be able to be strengthened in their worldview, getting those principles, and then mobilized in these counties.

00:43:16.000 We really do want to go out and be able to have an effective impact on getting people that don't vote to vote and to be educated on a biblical perspective of how to vote.

00:43:29.000 And just for the non-evangelicals in the audience, the non-Christians, talk about how powerful this group once was, Lance, in the 80s and 90s. 0.61

00:43:38.000 And if it gets back to where it was, what does that look like?

00:43:43.000 Well, let me tell you something.

00:43:45.000 When Billy Graham, so I was born in 1956, Billy Graham came on the scene and the evangelical church and churches, mainline denominations exploded in growth in the 50s and 60s.

00:44:00.000 And the reason why that happened is because there was such a trauma of World War II and the realization of mortality was on people's minds.

00:44:09.000 The threat of the standoff with a nuclear-powered Russia, the threat of communism, it had so saturated.

00:44:18.000 I remember when I was a kid, we did bomb drills and got under desks.

00:44:22.000 Imagine how traumatizing it is when you're a kid and it's like, okay, kids, it's time when the atomic bomb drops.

00:44:28.000 Remember, go under your desk.

00:44:30.000 And we all go under the desk till the teacher says, you can come out now.

00:44:33.000 It's like, okay, like that's actually going to stop radiation from touching you.

00:44:37.000 So we were primed to believe in our mortality and that there were nations at stake.

00:44:42.000 Billy Graham came on the scene, Charlie Kirk, and he captured the zeitgeist of that moment and he preached to America that if it didn't repent, it was on the balance with the judgment of God and atheistic communism was right ready to take us over.

00:44:56.000 And it could even be a nuclear moment that transitions America.

00:45:00.000 Well, the move of God happened.

00:45:02.000 Billy Graham meets with Eisenhower and says, we need the president and we need a national prayer breakfast.

00:45:09.000 We need to stand together.

00:45:10.000 So Eisenhower puts in God we trust on the currency.

00:45:14.000 Think about this nowadays.

00:45:16.000 This is the influence of Christianity and its strength.

00:45:19.000 And the focus wasn't on forcing people to have to do Christian stuff.

00:45:24.000 It was on giving people the awareness that God is real and that your soul is immortal and that you must walk with the word of God.

00:45:33.000 That's what shaped America.

00:45:34.000 And then we went from the 70s to the 80s to the 90s.

00:45:37.000 We went into church growth and revival and neglected the culture.

00:45:41.000 Amen.

00:45:42.000 Lance, excellent work.

00:45:43.000 Thank you so much.

00:45:44.000 And we'll be fighting in the trenches together this year.

00:45:49.000 It'll be fun.

00:45:49.000 Actually, it'll be, I'm looking forward to it, Charlie.

00:45:52.000 I think it's going to be a great year.

00:45:53.000 Amen.

00:45:54.000 It's going to be great.

00:45:55.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:45:56.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:45:58.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - February 13, 2024

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