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00:02:01.000And some of the background is the Green family is primarily the funders of this.
00:02:08.000And I understand there's a split in the family over who's actually supportive of this.
00:02:12.000There's a brother and there's a son and then there's a patriarch, but it's a hundreds of millions of dollars that are being pumped behind this.
00:02:20.000And I was approached by the He Gets Us team before it went public and I had some concerns, but it sounded good.
00:02:28.000And as soon as I saw the ads, I said, this is really dangerous.
00:02:34.000You got these Norman Rockwell pictures.
00:02:37.000I mean, they really are Rockwell-esque, you know, kind of like vivid color of real people with detail in the picture.
00:02:43.000But it's a series of pictures, which are, on one hand, you would love it.
00:02:49.000You know, so here's an old white guy and here's an older African-American, and both of their feet are in a bucket at the same time.
00:02:56.000Or there's, you know, there's an interracial washing of feet is the theme.
00:03:01.000But then suddenly, interspersed in there is some very curious, subliminal propaganda.
00:03:06.000You have a bus, which looks like illegal immigrants getting on a bus, but here you have a woman washing the feet of someone who's kind of like illegally entering or trying or getting dispersed in the United States.
00:03:18.000Then you have another one where you have a guy who is clearly washing the feet of someone who's either trans or gay, flaming or queer or something.
00:03:52.000What bothered me is they took advantage of the emotion and the yearning in America.
00:03:58.000The Super Bowl is really the desire of Americans to get away from politics and moralizing.
00:04:04.000Let me just enjoy a game for a moment, will you?
00:04:06.000The left ruins everything they touch, and they will ruin even generous philanthropic endeavors like the Green family is doing, because somehow the endorsement isn't on speaking truth and restoring America and having grace for our differences.
00:04:26.000It's condemning those that are speaking truth in order to save the nation.
00:04:32.000This, he washed feet, he didn't teach hate is a misrepresentation of the gospel.
00:04:39.000Jesus, when Jesus showed up, they didn't kill him because he wasn't controversial.
00:04:44.000Somebody didn't like what he was saying.
00:04:47.000And so the reality is grace and truth came by Jesus.
00:04:51.000These people with the woke religious Jesus are presenting another Jesus.
00:04:57.000Interesting, the Apostle Paul said something in Corinth.
00:04:59.000And if you want to look it up, you Bible students go to 2 Corinthians.
00:05:04.000He said, be careful lest somebody comes and preaches a different Jesus than the one that I preached, or that you listen to a different gospel than the one that I preached.
00:05:15.000Because the gospel of the kingdom right now for America is we are in a critical moment and we need to have truth and grace.
00:05:23.000We can't have this false religious sentimentality.
00:05:49.000But also just to make sure we're theologically clear here, there are a couple instances of feet washing in the scriptures.
00:05:57.000The most famous is Jesus having his feet washed by, I believe, Mary Magdalene and having the most, you know, expensive perfume being used.
00:06:07.000The other is him washing his disciples' feet of Peter and Judas.
00:06:12.000Just using that as an isolated theological, what are the takeaways?
00:06:16.000I know for certain the takeaway, one of the takeaways for the Mary Magdalene example is that some of the other onlookers said, how dare you use the nicest perfume?
00:06:24.000And Jesus says, effectively, like, hey, you're always going to have poor people, but you only have me right now.
00:06:31.000It's about worshiping Christ above all.
00:06:38.000Oh, oh, the whole, a lot of the commercials were.
00:06:41.000And for me, it was like really painful because this is so sophisticated.
00:06:46.000I mean, it's getting at you at so many subliminal levels.
00:06:49.000But I'm so glad you picked up on the Planned Parenthood was in the backdrop of, and that's the only second time I saw the commercial because these torment me.
00:06:57.000Once I don't like them, I hate watching them.
00:06:59.000But on TV, I'm constantly having to replay them.
00:07:02.000But the reality is they're trying to brainwash America into seeing the MAGA movement, the Trumpian clarity is going to be coming under attack as hate.
00:07:16.000And what makes this insidious, Charlie, is let's talk about foot washing for a second.
00:07:50.000He never did a foot washing ceremony in Galilee, you know, as a way of showing that he was against hate speech.
00:07:56.000And so the, it's, it's, it's, and putting it in its proper context, it's to refresh the messenger of God, which would actually mean that this is a misrepresentation because those people getting their feet washed aren't messengers of God.
00:08:12.000But I put that aside, an act of service, an act of kindness, an act of humility is consistent with Christianity.
00:08:19.000But to label those that are being truthful, like your show, princes, you will say hard things.
00:08:26.000And that's that people that watch that, that are religious, will say, see, Charlie Kirk isn't a good Christian.
00:09:02.000Russell Moore was the professor for the son-in-law, and he was a mentor.
00:09:06.000And what happens with these great Christian families is somebody on the left works their way into the foundation and starts pitching their...
00:09:16.000So somewhere in the fingerprints of Russell Moore are connected or his entourage.
00:09:20.000Including the daughter, Lauren Green McAfee, who I've met and I like.
00:09:25.000She's just, she's just so off base on this.
00:10:30.000Billy Graham had his biggest and greatest impact by warning America that nuclear holocaust was possible with Russia and atheistic communism would take America.
00:10:40.000He put the fear of God in people and said, and what will happen to you if America goes down?
00:10:55.000And that's the most important thing that we must understand, that there is a judgment that all of us will face.
00:11:01.000And, you know, I think that's one of the reasons why, Lance, this has been met with such widespread criticism, is that we take our faith so seriously and we want the best possible representation of our faith and truth to be put on display and not a watered down social justice version.
00:11:20.000And I'll just tell you one-off anecdote is that a conservative non-Christian friend of mine texted me and he said, is this really what Christianity has become?
00:11:28.000So here I am trying to win over this conservative guy for Jesus, and he feels as if he's watching like a moveon.org commercial.
00:11:37.000Oh, you know, it's like the crew thing that you sent me.
00:11:41.000I looked at the other day, warning about stay away from politics.
00:11:46.000That's the devil's theme right now with all the churches is stay away from politics.
00:11:51.000It's like, don't hang out with Bonhoeffer.
00:11:54.000He's going to get you in trouble, you know?
00:11:57.000What's weird is that Jesus is being misrepresented.
00:12:00.000And that's the part that bothers me most because that Jesus, woke Jesus, is not going to excite a movement.
00:12:08.000But truth, Jesus, with grace and truth, I believe is what will cause the multitudes to resonate.
00:13:16.000She knows she shouldn't, but she does it in the name of God anyway.
00:13:20.000Yeah, and you know, my pastoral side, because I've done business, I've pasted, I've done a lot of different stuff in my life.
00:13:28.000I look at her and I say, okay, you grew up Catholic, your mom's a Christian.
00:13:32.000That's code language to me that she's probably not had a real personal encounter with Jesus.
00:13:37.000So I would move from the subject of, you know, what you're doing, probably, if you were to die while you're stripping, would it embarrass you to go in that condition into the presence of God?
00:13:49.000And then go from there and say, why don't we just pray right now so that you'll never, you'll know exactly what God wants to do with you and you won't have these struggles.
00:15:12.000So the left now has got funding, and they are going to be coming after Christians.
00:15:17.000I mean, you've got the woke Jesus commercials.
00:15:21.000You've got, I'm going to talk in one segment here, a bombshell revelation on a key leader in the business and church community who is warning pastors not to get involved with politics.
00:15:34.000But the attack tells me that from a spiritual point of view, the powers of darkness that are trying to take down America recognize that it's Christianity that is their big battle right now.
00:16:20.000And he points out that we have that mass shooter who killed 10 victims in Buffalo, New York in May of 2022.
00:16:29.000The only problem is the mass shooter had no connection with Jesus Christianity or anything, but like anything else, the back channel was actually to the left.
00:16:37.000It wasn't actually a Christian, but he's saying, ha ha, that kind of shooting comes because of the incendiary worldview of Christianity.
00:17:08.000I know that the danger of the Karl Reiner trying to accuse us of being flamethrowers that are inciting violence is it incites violence against the innocent.
00:17:22.000He needs to be pushed back on strongly.
00:17:24.000He says we've got an agenda to pat the courts and get rid of democracy.
00:17:28.000He thinks that Roe v. Wade getting overturned was an assault on the freedom of America.
00:17:33.000And he's convinced that our movement is power worshippers who are into the business of idolatry in politics because we're power worshipers and we can't wait to get power, which is oddly enough a projection of everything the left does.
00:17:51.000But I mean, you got the trailer has me in it.
00:17:56.000There's a line where I say, America shall be saved.
00:18:00.000And they're using it as a warning that people like me exist.
00:18:05.000And I realize that in their mind, they think when we say America shall be saved, that I guess they think we're like natural libre.
00:18:13.000We're going to force them to be baptized or something like that.
00:18:16.000But in my mind, I'm trying to, I'm looking at a drowning swimmer and saying, don't worry, we're going to get out there and rescue you, America.
00:19:17.000So I know exactly what's going on, even when I'm not watching, because you're getting press from the left.
00:19:23.000Yeah, the basic truth is they're setting us up to look like an irrational, dangerous, and that's where that commercial bothers me, the hate movement, like they did with Trump.
00:19:38.000The riots that were happening are the incidents in his rallies were planted by the left, who, by the way, are burning down cities, burning up limos, police precincts.
00:19:48.000Not any evangelical has ever done that.
00:19:52.000So Lance, what is your response when people say, Lance, I just want to preach the gospel.
00:20:03.000Fascinating study was done by a thesis written by a PhD student. who wanted to see what was preached in the United States during the Civil War.
00:20:10.000In the North, they were preaching the justice and the righteousness of emancipating the South from slavery.
00:20:17.000In the South, they were preaching the injustice of the North, forcing them to comply with their federal government control.
00:20:25.000The border states, Charlie Kirk, preached, stay out of politics and focus on the kingdom.
00:20:32.000What that tells me is that almost all churches today are like Maryland or Kentucky or Delaware.
00:20:38.000They are border state churches that are acting political because the winds of adversity are making them tack in such a direction that they will not provoke anyone by speaking truth.
00:20:53.000These are border state pastors and churches.
00:20:56.000And the psychology is what fascinates me of people that remain on the fence and remain on the border.
00:21:03.000Where did this begin to go wrong, Lance?
00:21:05.000Because the American church used to be very political a couple decades ago.
00:21:09.000Yeah, I'll tell you where it went south.
00:21:12.000It went south when America had a prolonged period of peace and prosperity and didn't recognize the threat of the left.
00:21:18.000I have a 1983 leadership magazine, which captures the seminal moment when Jack Hayford and Rick Warren were discussing that the best way to change America in the culture war is to build better churches and more churches where they preach the gospel.
00:21:38.000Meanwhile, it was D. James Kennedy and others that said, well, while you're doing that, pray to God that the Marxists don't take over America because they will shut down your church within 30 years if you pursue that.
00:21:51.000You're called to disciple the nation and win souls, not just build churches.
00:21:56.000That moment captured the future trajectory of America.
00:22:00.000You know, there recently, and I would like your response to this, just last couple of days, one of the branches of Willow Creek Community Church is closing.
00:22:11.000I passively used to attend Willow Creek Community Church in the suburbs of Chicago.
00:22:15.000Bill Heibels was a great communicator, especially as a new Christian.
00:22:18.000But as you dive deeper, you realize that there wasn't a lot of depth there.
00:22:22.000But initial stages, I have to say, he was very helpful to me.
00:22:25.000Do you think, though, the Willow Creekification of the American church was a negative thing where it came in overly corporate, you know, stay away from the controversial issues?
00:22:34.000Listen, I worked for a while as a church growth consultant.
00:22:39.000I was actually in, and, you know, we had a Wall Street company.
00:23:33.000Toronto for Pentecostals and charismatics, the fastest growing wing of Christianity globally happens to be Pentecostal, spirit-filled, and that kind of stuff.
00:23:41.000And so, you have a Toronto, Pensacola, various moves of God.
00:24:44.000Rest assured knowing that you have emergency antibiotics, antivirals, and anti-parasitics on hand to help keep you and your family safe from whatever the globalists throw at us next.
00:25:18.000This is really challenging for me to share this.
00:25:21.000It's kind of like when a Catholic disagrees with the Pope, you know, you really think about how hard you're going to go on the subject.
00:25:29.000But I have been a student of leadership development.
00:25:32.000You know, I got a consulting company, business background.
00:25:36.000And one of the key leaders who the church has embraced as an almost Solomon-like guru for success and wisdom has come out powerfully, shutting down churches from engagement in the political crises of our century.
00:25:54.000I found this out from a pastor who had attended.
00:25:56.000And they wrote to me and said, I was attending a pastor's conference for churches with 1,000 or more people.
00:26:03.000So we're talking about the strong churches.
00:26:06.000We heard over and over again, we are not to say anything that could be taken as political or controversial.
00:26:12.000Pastors are not to be involved in politics at all.
00:26:14.000Pastors should not be involved in politics because it divides people.
00:26:19.000And a clear message: just love people, which goes to that, you know, Jesus didn't preach hate thing, right?
00:26:25.000Just love people and don't do anything that would divide people.
00:26:29.000John Maxwell stunned me with his strong rebuke of those who take a political stand or position in this hour.
00:26:39.000We are to be silent in the face of evil.
00:26:42.000Maxwell made it clear that if you bring up anything political, if as a pastor, you bring up anything political, you are trusting politicians rather than Jesus.
00:27:09.000They're all like encouraging each other because they all are border state pastors right now and they're thankful they don't have to deal with the issue of slavery.
00:27:18.000So it's pretty clear, don't be political, just preach the gospel.
00:27:39.000They just locked down the church for a year and a half to two years, and you're telling us not to be political?
00:27:44.000I mean, marijuana dispensaries and liquor stores remained open in strip clubs, and more people killed themselves and got addicted to alcohol and drugs.
00:27:53.000And you as a leadership development coach have the gall to get up on stage and tell people to not be political?
00:28:21.000And the reason why this is so important is because, you know, you look at the, I remember Rush Lindbaugh talked about at the Super Bowl, the NFL owners.
00:28:30.000He said, they're really stuck because it's like CEOs in America.
00:28:35.000They're hearing something and they believe that what they're hearing is true and represents America.
00:28:42.000What these pastors need to know and what John Maxwell needs to find out right now is that the majority of Americans in the pew are not going to be politically correct because political correctness is killing America.
00:28:56.000The inability to speak the truth regarding whether a man is a man or a woman is a woman is choking us.
00:29:04.000So the idea that we are seeking a solution in politics rather than from heaven is the opposite of the reality, which is we are praying to God for help and God is giving us a mechanism with which to influence the future of America by electing people that reflect our values.
00:29:26.000If you don't show up in this political battle, then you are actually voting for the devil to take over America.
00:29:36.000And these pastors that are being told not to take a stand, what they should be told is you don't ever have to be obnoxious or divisive.
00:29:43.000You're not in the business of doing that any more than Jesus was.
00:29:46.000But you are in the business of learning and developing the skill and the acumen to teach your people how to think biblically and vote biblically.
00:30:33.000Everyone listening to this broadcast, if you go to an assembly of God church that has a thousand or more people, you need to let your pastor know that you're standing behind them, speaking boldly, courageously, and with wisdom to educate the church on biblical citizenship and what the word of God says on the issues that are going to be debated in this election.
00:30:58.000You've got to do it because what Maxwell's saying is, ironically, stay out of politics, pastor, which tells the pastor to be a politician in the poll.
00:31:08.000It's also, but does that, so I ask John, I mean this sincerely, and John Maxwell is welcome to come on the program and defend it.
00:31:15.000Do you not teach the Ten Commandments?
00:31:17.000Do you just say, hey, we don't want to divide people, so we're just going to say that homosexuality is fine and we're going to say transgenderism is fine.
00:31:28.000I think it goes right to the root of an error my generation committed, which is we thought if we focused on building the church and staying positive and avoiding controversial issues, we could gather a bigger crowd and then influence them to be better Christians and they would therefore influence the nation to be more Christian.
00:31:50.000But you'll find Dallas, Texas, for instance, has more mega churches than Mecca has mosques, I assume.
00:31:56.000But the church has been absolutely impudent in shaping the influence of the left-wing agenda in the schools or in Dallas, Texas.
00:32:08.000And the only time we've ever took ground was when the church raised up an awareness of what's going on on the school boards and took them over.
00:32:19.000I just want to know very clearly from John Maxwell: is it wrong for a pastor to say from the pulpit that 13-year-olds shouldn't get chemical castration or what's called gender reassignment surgery?
00:32:36.000Or is, I mean, does that divide people?
00:32:38.000Is it wrong for a pastor to say in an individual counseling session, the position of this church is that your 15-year-old should not take hormone blockers or testosterone replacement therapy?
00:32:51.000I'm just wondering, is that we don't do that because we're not political.
00:32:54.000I mean, and by the way, how many senators, I've heard this from people in Congress and Senate, they said, you know what?
00:33:01.000We'd be a lot bolder if you guys were a lot bolder.
00:33:04.000In other words, that philosophy takes a person who hears the call of God to run for public office and they courageously go out and get slandered, have research done on their background.
00:33:15.000Any sin they've ever committed is now public knowledge.
00:33:18.000And they do it out of obedience to the call of God.
00:33:20.000And the church doesn't support them because they've been taught by this philosophy that you don't get involved with politics.
00:33:28.000And because we're not involved with politics, we're creating a vacuum and the devil will fill a vacuum.
00:33:36.000And it just, it just sounds so good because you stay from stage, oh, you know, don't get involved in this.
00:33:44.000You know, that's my, but it's just, it falls apart immediately.
00:33:47.000So my next question to John Maxwell would be: okay, let's say that the city of Atlanta says that church is non-essential again, because there's some abstract virus.
00:33:59.000How would you react to that, John Maxwell?
00:34:01.000Do you think it was okay that the church was labeled non-essential?
00:34:05.000Was it a political statement to respond to that?
00:34:09.000Or let's go ahead and say we end up going in the direction of Canada.
00:34:12.000And now in the pulpit, it's considered hate speech for you to actually advocate for traditional marriage values because it's interpreted as intolerant of gay marriage.
00:34:26.000So are you going to say avoid that subject?
00:34:29.000Because or now, here's what I think John Maxwell will do.
00:34:46.000I merely pointed out that getting involved with, and he'll qualify it, and then he'll make the statement that, of course, I believe Christians should be vocal in their witness and they could serve in business.
00:35:00.000I've got all these CEOs, corporations.
00:35:06.000These pastors did not walk away with that impression.
00:35:10.000Their 18-year-old daughter sat there and instead of getting strength from a leader like Maxwell, instead of these pastors feeling infused with fresh vigor and vitality for the battle of America, they're all going away high-fiving each other saying, I'm not going to bring up Trump or anything that's controversial.
00:35:27.000That 18-year-old went with her heart busted up because our generation, my generation, the reason why I'm so moved by this is I look at you, Charlie, and I say, you're the generation we screwed up.
00:35:38.000We're handing off to you our negligence.
00:35:40.000It's all the cumulative wisdom of my generation building big churches and seeking revival that has left you a culture in collapse.
00:35:50.000John, stop saying you didn't say what you said.
00:35:54.000Yeah, and there's no need to apologize, Lance.
00:35:57.000It's because we had a great country and we did what every great country does, which is you get passive and you focus on the immediate and all of a sudden the enemy never rests.
00:36:35.000And that's the reason why you and I are going to be going out this year.
00:36:38.000And for every date that I can get you out there, we're going to be doing a thing called the courage tour because this kind of Maxwelling is what produces anxiety.
00:36:50.000More than ever before, we need to be like Joshua, be bold and courageous because God is giving us a moment to, let's say that there's an extension of grace coming to America.
00:37:00.000There's a period where God is going to push back on the madness.
00:37:04.000I can see it happening even in the Super Bowl ads.
00:37:07.000As woke as they were, the Bud Light moment did wake up corporate America and they realized maybe we're getting, maybe our consultants are out of touch with America because America is not left.
00:38:45.000I just, I was so upset with this John Maxwell situation that I went to a big church in Carolina, and a lot of them have had John there in their churches.
00:38:53.000So they were really mad at me, but I said, listen, you have to understand how do you approach the political.
00:39:00.000You pastors have to have a better strategy.
00:39:02.000You don't have to approach it the way that they're talking about.
00:39:05.000Start with what does the word of God say?
00:39:57.000All of this area, platform, policy, principle is under the surface.
00:40:01.000Everybody will focus on a Democrat and a Republican.
00:40:05.000Don't let the battle be about the personality.
00:40:08.000Focus on the platform, the policies, and above all things, pastors, teach biblical principles, because if you do that, the rest takes care of itself.
00:40:20.000If you avoid these subjects because it's not good for church growth, you might lose your people to the pulpit that is preaching what God calls them to say.
00:41:23.000How should we approach this strategically?
00:41:25.000The strategy is, listen, every state, you're going to have to engage.
00:41:31.000I think sometimes Christians make the mistake of thinking that the national is where their focus is.
00:41:37.000The truth of the matter is you have disproportionate influence locally.
00:41:40.000Therefore, we believe, and Charlie's kind of convinced me of this in his own persistent way, that there are certain key states and certain key counties.
00:41:50.000Therefore, everyone must do a full court press locally.
00:42:52.000So what we're doing, Charlie, is we're working with you guys in order to help mobilize these churches that can be awake, that we can help to strengthen you.
00:43:04.000This year, there's going to be church growth for people that are patriots.
00:43:07.000We want to mobilize the people that are in your church to be able to be strengthened in their worldview, getting those principles, and then mobilized in these counties.
00:43:16.000We really do want to go out and be able to have an effective impact on getting people that don't vote to vote and to be educated on a biblical perspective of how to vote.
00:43:29.000And just for the non-evangelicals in the audience, the non-Christians, talk about how powerful this group once was, Lance, in the 80s and 90s.
00:43:38.000And if it gets back to where it was, what does that look like?
00:43:45.000When Billy Graham, so I was born in 1956, Billy Graham came on the scene and the evangelical church and churches, mainline denominations exploded in growth in the 50s and 60s.
00:44:00.000And the reason why that happened is because there was such a trauma of World War II and the realization of mortality was on people's minds.
00:44:09.000The threat of the standoff with a nuclear-powered Russia, the threat of communism, it had so saturated.
00:44:18.000I remember when I was a kid, we did bomb drills and got under desks.
00:44:22.000Imagine how traumatizing it is when you're a kid and it's like, okay, kids, it's time when the atomic bomb drops.
00:44:30.000And we all go under the desk till the teacher says, you can come out now.
00:44:33.000It's like, okay, like that's actually going to stop radiation from touching you.
00:44:37.000So we were primed to believe in our mortality and that there were nations at stake.
00:44:42.000Billy Graham came on the scene, Charlie Kirk, and he captured the zeitgeist of that moment and he preached to America that if it didn't repent, it was on the balance with the judgment of God and atheistic communism was right ready to take us over.
00:44:56.000And it could even be a nuclear moment that transitions America.