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00:01:28.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:02:15.000And during this critical time when people are questioning about what America is or where it's headed, I think it's appropriate just to stop and ask, why is America different from someplace else?
00:02:25.0004% of the population of the world call themselves Americans.
00:02:30.000And yet every year, they write more books, more plays, more symphonies, more copyrights, inventions for thousands of years people would hope to someday fly.
00:02:36.000It was the Americans that invented the airplane and the light bulb and the telegraph, the telephone, the global positioning system.
00:02:45.000Right now, there's a ship parking in the Hong Kong harbor using a global positioning system conceived, invented, and maintained by Americans.
00:02:53.000A Mercedes dealer in Buenos Aires is ordering a part in Stuttgart using an internet conceived, invented, and maintained.
00:03:01.000No nation in the world has ever blessed the world like America does.
00:03:07.000And yet it is that which secures the rest of the world.
00:03:11.000You know, for hundreds of years, the Britannia ruled the waves.
00:03:17.000When a British ship was overrun in the Persian Gulf, as happened over 300 times last year, where can a ship or a person turn on the high seas?
00:03:27.000Only to the 327,000 Americans that wear the uniform of the United States Navy.
00:03:31.000The United States is a standard for righteousness and stability in the world.
00:04:00.000You know, you ask the question that everyone has to address.
00:04:04.000That is, if America is so terrible, why is it that everybody wants to come here?
00:04:09.000America accepts more immigrants than the rest of the world combined.
00:04:14.000You talk about refugees, more refugees than the entire rest of the world.
00:04:18.000I met with some Iranian folks, and they were quoting the New York Times about how America was closing its doors.
00:04:24.000We take more than the entire rest of the planet.
00:04:27.000Why would people come to a place that was racist?
00:04:29.000Why is it that over 90% of the people that come here are people, quote, of color?
00:04:34.000If America even thought about doing such things, those people aren't foolish.
00:04:39.000They've learned that if they want to accuse America of something, they can deny some special privilege.
00:04:44.000If I'm doing something wrong and you catch me, I immediately want to point to something else.
00:04:49.000And for those that are trying to undo our country, they, rather than face what they've done about burning down a building or stealing from someone else, they want to point over their shoulder to while you're looking there, they grab your wallet and run.
00:05:02.000Of course, America is not a racist country.
00:05:27.000When 80% voted to kill the other 20%, they chopped a million people to death with machetes.
00:05:32.000But it's estimated that a fourth of the people that they killed were really Hutus.
00:05:37.000Now, that's what the rest of the world is like when it doesn't have the freedom of respect for life that comes from respect for God, which is what America is.
00:05:48.000So you bring up 80% decided to kill the 20%.
00:07:01.000And as on the Jefferson Memorial, the God who gave us life gave us liberty at the same time.
00:07:09.000So you see the sequence: that if you want to take a person's liberty, you have to get rid of God.
00:07:15.000Once you've gotten rid of God, then I can take your life.
00:07:17.000And once I can take away life, then any politician, any politician that will take away innocent life will not hesitate to take your liberty.
00:07:38.000It can't happen because in America, our rights come from God who protects life, and we're the only place.
00:07:43.000So Jews knew they could be chased from all over the planet if they could just get under the canopy of protection of the American flag, that they would be safe.
00:08:57.000I remember when we went to vote on Obamacare, Pelosi took the well of the House and she grabbed the podium on the Democrat side and she said, Today, we are going to create a right to health care.
00:09:13.000Well, just gently, let's think about that.
00:09:16.000If politicians can create a right, politicians can do away with a right.
00:09:25.000And that's what had our founders so afraid that if we allow the mob to decide that one day they get mad at folks of a particular color or a particular ethnicity, and we want to take their rights or religion or religion, and so we want to protect them from that.
00:09:42.000And so they very carefully crafted the place that, as I mentioned, this little 4% of the population of the world created more wealth than the other 96% combined throughout all recorded history.
00:09:55.000Well, it's because we recognize that God gave it to us.
00:09:58.000Well, I want to tag on what Charlie was saying, and you did a wonderful insight when I heard you.
00:10:04.000I've heard you speak a number of times.
00:10:06.000But you speak of this idea of a democracy and a constitutional republic.
00:10:11.000And, of course, as I've heard Eric Metaxas say, quoting Ben Franklin, when the woman asked him, what kind of government have you given us?
00:10:18.000And a republic, madam, if you can keep it.
00:10:20.000And you have this unbelievable ability to recount what occurred in the Constitutional Convention because America had come up to a conflict.
00:10:29.000They had examined all of the different forms of government throughout history.
00:10:33.000And here they were at a problem with 13 colonies, some of them slaveholding, some of them more populated than others.
00:10:41.000And they were wanting equal representation.
00:10:43.000But there was an argument taking place, and they came up with one of the most remarkable resolutions to it by a bicameral legislature.
00:10:51.000But that occurred with Ben Franklin in the midst of it all.
00:10:55.000Can you recount that for the listeners?
00:10:57.000Well, Benjamin Franklin actually was considered the most respected man on earth and most admired all over the place.
00:11:04.000He had a signature on the first three documents: the Declaration of Independence, U.S. Constitution, and the Paris Peace Agreement.
00:11:09.000And incredibly, the one guy we haven't made movies about.
00:11:16.000Well, and he was in his 80s, and he was one of only four people that had been there at the signing of the Declaration of Independence that were also in Constitutional Hall.
00:11:26.000Now, let me just say where we are, and that is that at the end of the Revolutionary War, there was no government, therefore there was no way to pay people.
00:11:36.000And so they were trying to figure out a way to do that.
00:11:39.000And so they created the Northwest Territory, which is where Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, and Minnesota and Michigan are from.
00:12:01.000If I convince them to submit so that they're going to have New Yorkers and people from Massachusetts and Pennsylvania making decisions for them, that's going to be a hard sell.
00:12:10.000But if I also tell them that they absolutely cannot have slavery, they're going to have to do away with it tomorrow, I can't sell both of those, and so this isn't going to work.
00:12:58.000And so they were able to corral him back again into that same room where 11 years earlier they had written the Declaration of Independence.
00:13:05.000And that is the first time that Benjamin Franklin asked to speak.
00:13:09.000When he got up to speak, he was very well respected.
00:13:32.000Well, I believe this, that we shall be no more successful in the building of this political building than were the builders of Babel.
00:13:38.000He said, in the conflict with Great Britain, we had daily prayer in this room.
00:13:43.000Our prayers were heard, and they were graciously answered.
00:13:47.000And then he said, have we now forgotten this powerful friend?
00:13:52.000Or do we imagine we no longer need him?
00:13:55.000He said, and then he went through and made some more references, and then he asked to move that they recess and begin each session then with prayer.
00:14:04.000One of the things that he mentioned, Rob, as you said, he said, we've looked at all of the forms of government around the planet.
00:14:32.000Wisdom comes from experience, your own or someone else's.
00:14:35.000So you learn from your elders and by reading books and things.
00:14:39.000But there are some things we've never experienced before.
00:14:42.000And so the scripture says that if any man lack wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all men liberally, and he doesn't scold us for asking.
00:14:51.000So Benjamin Franklin said, we've looked at all of the forms of government that have existed, each one having their flaws.
00:14:58.000None of them were applicable to our situation.
00:15:00.000He said, in this situation, crawling around in the darkness, no one has decided to call upon the Father of lights.
00:15:08.000In other words, we've been here in the dark.
00:15:12.000He said, so then he said, let's ask God for his guidance, as the scripture said.
00:15:17.000Once they did that, they began over the next five and a half weeks to write the Constitution of the United States, creating the oldest government on the planet.
00:15:29.000Well, the oldest government under one birth certificate.
00:15:32.000Every government on earth has changed repeatedly since then.
00:15:36.000We have one of the youngest countries, but the oldest government.
00:15:40.000Everyone has made a judgment since then, and yet it's been available as a template for anyone else, but they haven't used it.
00:15:46.000And that nation is the one that has prospered as no other nation has.
00:15:50.000Now, that's the competition that they want to destroy.
00:15:54.000Now, let me just say also about Benjamin Franklin.
00:15:57.000I remember one time after I was speaking, a fellow wrote to me a note, and he mentioned that he had 54 children out of wedlock.
00:16:06.000And now, just stop and think about that for a moment.
00:16:09.000The absurdity of such a statement is beyond comprehension.
00:16:12.000But the fact is that if I want to destroy something and I want to convince you that you're wrong, that you use the wrong toothpaste, for example, as Bill Federer mentions, first of all, I can't just say, you need to have my toothpaste.
00:16:25.000I need to say, you know, that toothpaste that you use is really making your teeth yellow.
00:16:59.000I have to convince them that they were evil.
00:17:02.000And so after World War I, they began this idea of deconstructing our founders.
00:17:08.000We can find no reference to promiscuity on the part of Benjamin Franklin prior to 1920.
00:17:14.000And once they began to build that idea that somehow began to no longer respect them, and then they could begin to do what they're doing now.
00:17:23.000Charlie wants to jump on something real quick, but I just want you to emphasize this.
00:17:26.000When they came back from three days of fasting and prayer at the Constitutional Convention, they came up with that brilliant idea of the bicameral legislature.
00:17:33.000Can you explain that to the folks, why it was so significant?
00:17:36.000Well, how do you have a legislature and represent everybody equally fairly because everybody wants to be equal?
00:17:41.000And so they said, well, why don't we do that?
00:17:42.000And you can jump in the Electoral College on this, too, if you want.
00:17:45.000Yeah, they said, so, all right, if all of you want to be equal, then every state's going to be equal.
00:18:14.000We're going to put in the Constitution that no one, when they all get together and start to come after you, you can't do that for 20 years.
00:18:23.000That is, for the 20 years, you cannot prevent the importation of slaves.
00:18:29.000Well, 10 years is 1797, 10 years, 1807.
00:18:33.000So on the first day that America could prohibit slavery, an example to the world was on January 1st, 1808.
00:18:40.000And that law was written in March of 1807, signed by the President of the United States, Thomas Jefferson, who said, we're going to end the slave trade.
00:18:48.000That is, no one can bring any slaves into America.
00:18:50.000It's going to atrophy, and we're going to destroy it.
00:18:53.000Now, the founders, George Washington and these folks that were born into the slave situation, prior to them, all the way back to the beginning of Scripture, for thousands of years, slavery was everywhere.
00:19:07.000These men, these men that we've seen the statues abused over these last recent weeks, people like Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, George Washington, these men decided that they were going to do something that had never been done, and that is that they were going to end slavery.
00:19:22.000And from then until today, slavery has been anathema.
00:19:26.000Now, throughout 14 of the 18 largest countries with slavery to this day are on the African continent, and there are places in the Middle East that still have slavery.
00:20:15.000My memory doesn't serve me for that part of the Constitution.
00:20:18.000So then you're saying in 1807, President Thomas Jefferson, third American president, the expansionist and also the author of the Declaration, he signed a bill of Congress in March of 1807 to be effective in 1808 to ban the import of slaves.
00:21:01.000I haven't heard it explained like that because I just think at times, oh, yeah, the Civil Wars basically was the moment it all kind of came to a head.
00:21:10.000What you're saying, and I've said this before, that Vermont was the first state to abolish slavery in 1777 because they were inspired by the writings.
00:21:17.000But Thomas Jefferson, even as someone who owned slaves himself, signed a bill that said no more imports of slaves.
00:21:24.000And of course, if you turn slaves out, they would be on their own.
00:21:28.000They would have to buy property and provide for themselves.
00:21:31.000And so that transition was complicated.
00:21:33.000And the compassionate was that many of them left their estates to them so that when they died, then they were given their freedom along with the money that they had to get.
00:23:02.000And so the North said, if you want to count them completely, then you need to give them their freedom.
00:23:07.000And so the compromise was that they would be counted as three-fifths.
00:23:10.000Why did they want to count them as completely?
00:23:12.000Because they wanted to have more and more representatives to make sure that they had more people in Congress.
00:23:16.000The North wanted to be counted as zero until such time as they got their freedom.
00:23:20.000And so that was the compromise to get them to, and they were progressing well until in the election of 1828 is when the most anti-slavery president in the history of the United States.
00:23:31.000John Quincy Adams was defeated by a man from the West, from over the mountain, the first genuine slave trader, a man who bought slaves in New Orleans and came up and sold them along the Tennessee River, a man by the name of Andrew Jackson, came in and ripped that apart and made a compromise in 1833 to bring in a slave state and Maine and to make a compromise whereby we bring a slave state and a free state and still have the balance in the Senate.
00:24:01.000And with that, tore the scab off of the scar and began to ooze the chaos that took place.
00:24:08.000And from then on, from Andrew Jackson from 1828, he took office in 1829.
00:24:14.000So from 1830 to 1860, that 30-year period is known as the Jacksonian era.
00:24:21.000And during the Jacksonian era, that is when the Democrat Party and the Whigs fought back and forth.
00:24:27.000The Whigs did not want to have slavery at all.
00:24:29.000The Democrat Party wanted to have slavery.
00:24:31.000And so they alternated back and forth until finally, in 1857, when James Buchanan took office in March of 1857, the next week, the Supreme Court made a ruling that was written by Roger Taney.
00:24:47.000Roger Taney was Andrew Jackson's campaign manager and his attorney general.
00:24:55.000And Andrew Jackson put him on the Supreme Court.
00:24:58.000So in the Supreme Court, then he wrote the Dred Scott decision, which said that black people are not people.
00:25:11.000And with that, the whole, the Whig Party, the Whig Party, which was made up of those people with no backbone, I could name some people that we currently have.
00:25:55.0001857, which isn't part, you do know this part of history, but it's not one that's going to be taught in history books.
00:26:02.000But in 1857, it was one of the great awakenings in America spiritually.
00:26:05.000Jeremiah Lamphere, second floor of the Dutch Reformed Church in New York, starts a prayer service that Horace Greeley, the newspaper editor, he sent out a reporter to try to see how many of these had grown across New York and across the country.
00:26:19.000And with the traffic and everything, he had estimated over 100,000 people every noon were gathering for prayer, and it created one of the greatest revivals in less than a year in a nation of, what, 30 million people, over a million came to faith in Christ, which ushers in this conviction of like Josiah Wedgwood and all of these folks starting to realize that these are human beings.
00:27:03.000And he creates that drawing and it creates this move towards abolition in the country.
00:27:08.000And now this Republican Party starts in a congregational church in Rapon, Wisconsin, with a handful of people with the sole purpose of abolishing slavery.
00:27:19.000And the American people embraced it, and three years later, elect the president of the United States.
00:27:25.000And immediately, the states that wanted to keep their slavery, the people that wanted to keep their slavery, said, obviously, the American people have voted this isn't going to work.
00:27:33.000And so they began to withdraw and to secede.
00:27:36.000Back in those days, the president didn't take office until March.
00:27:38.000And so between November and March, the states seceded and they formed what was called the Confederacy.
00:27:43.000Now, that wasn't America that did that.
00:27:45.000That's a handful of people that believe that race should be the primary factor.
00:27:56.000And then for the next 10 presidents, eight of them were Republicans.
00:27:59.000America grew into the richest, most powerful nation on earth.
00:28:02.000To this day, in every county in America, the Democrats meet to have a Jackson Day dinner and the Republicans meet to have a Lincoln Day dinner because we believe, Republicans believe, that God made us.
00:28:17.000And at the foot of the cross, we are all equal.
00:28:19.000Neither man nor rich nor poor, neither male nor female, nor slave nor free, but we are all in all.
00:28:26.000That is, we are all equal, and America has always stood for that.
00:28:29.000Now, that doesn't mean that every person who lives in America believes in it, because all you have to do is turn on the news, and you can see that's not the case.
00:28:35.000There's a handful of folks that constantly want to speak about race or gender because they are racist and they are sexists.
00:29:27.000So, Bob, one of the biggest lies taught to our kids, one of the things that is pervasive in the media, and I want you to dispel it, that the party switched.
00:29:37.000Can I add one that'll tie in with your question?
00:29:40.000I mean, you probably would, but I'm nodding.
00:29:45.000And dispel, if I've got this incorrect, but one of the most critical elections in the history of the country, you had Reconstruction that was on Lincoln's heart.
00:29:56.000Johnson takes over, and then we have Grant.
00:30:00.000And then the most contentious election in the history of the country was 1876 at the centennial of our celebration as a nation for 100 years.
00:30:14.000And then the Republican candidate didn't have the popular vote.
00:30:17.000And then the Electoral College was tied, and they contested for that.
00:30:21.000But they decided to give the Republicans power of the presidency as long as they would remove federal troops from the South, protecting the votes of black Americans.
00:30:31.000And that's where this switch started to occur because we just left them devastated.
00:30:35.000Well, the point was that they said that we are now.
00:30:45.000And so, you always hear about that in Virginia 20 years ago, they elected the first Republican since Reconstruction.
00:30:51.000In Georgia, they elected the first Republican senator since Reconstruction.
00:30:55.000So, during that period, right after the war, the American military was there to make sure that everybody was treated equally.
00:31:01.000In order to bring peace in the country, they decided that they would remove the troops from the South and allow them to run their own states.
00:31:07.000At that point, we discovered the Democrats are Democrats.
00:31:10.000And so, Democrats did away with people being able to be treated fairly.
00:31:17.000And we need to make this perfectly clear.
00:31:19.000Anybody listening at this moment, I want you to ask your attention that all of these things that are changed, America did this and America did that.
00:32:43.000So, Bob, narrowing on this even further, though, because we get lots of questions, and everyone can email us questions, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:32:50.000And one of the biggest things, I was taught this, I went to public education for high school, and it's taught very clearly, and it is somewhat persuasive, where basically they say the good guys and bad guys, right?
00:33:01.000The people that want what's best for humanity and not.
00:33:04.000Good guys today are the Democrats, but the good guys back then were actually the Republicans who then became the Democrats.
00:33:10.000So can you just help break that apart?
00:33:12.000Because they use evidence of the Southern strategy and all this.
00:33:16.000I have become quite well versed in this, but you know it better than I do.
00:33:22.000And that is that the Democrats-that's an appropriate term because they believe in democracy.
00:33:30.000They believe that you can make a ruling in Washington state in 2020 that you have to wear masks unless you are of color and that you have to wear masks if you're white, but not if you're not white.
00:33:46.000Now, they can do that in 2020 because they continue to look at people in their individual groups.
00:33:52.000That's what Democrats have done, and that's what they did.
00:33:56.000Now, in the South, people didn't want to invest there.
00:34:14.000And they just did a thing on C-SPAN in which they had all of these historians and they voted him number six, which the very last time they voted.
00:34:27.000Well, and so what Rob referred to was when the Democrats took control, they passed a thing called posse competanis, and that is that you cannot use the military for police purposes within the confines of the United States.
00:34:41.000The reason that Donald Trump did not send troops into Seattle, the reason that George Bush didn't send troops into New Orleans, was because under the principle of Democrats Institute of Plasi Comitatus is that unless there is a national emergency and declare the country is under attack,
00:35:05.000martial law, that unless you declare an insurrection like that, that you cannot send troops at Katrina.
00:35:12.000And so when George Bush called the governor, she said, fine, all of her friends got around.
00:35:16.000He's going to get credit for cleaning it up.
00:35:17.000She called him back, and they went back and forth for 45 minutes.
00:35:20.000She said, I don't ask you until finally the damn did break.
00:35:32.000I'm talking about that because that's the way the South operated, that you couldn't have soldiers, and so they could mistreat people.
00:35:37.000So when you want to talk about lynchings, when you talk about the KKK, when you talk about all those things that happened that they can quote to you in college classes nowadays, it all took place under Democrat control.
00:35:52.000Well, after World War II, and after the communists were given Eastern and Central Europe, in the 1952 election, they elected the five-star general, the commander of troops in Germany, in Europe, the American president, a five-star general, and he, when he looked at the law about how blacks were being treated, he did something that perhaps no one else could have done.
00:36:14.000But he was a five-star general, one of only the four people that had never served in political office, and he sent the troops in.
00:36:20.000And he sent the troops into Little Rock, Arkansas to say, quit it.
00:36:24.000That person is allowed to go to that school regardless of her skin color.
00:36:29.000And then he appointed judges that began to implement the law.
00:36:32.000And when they did that, began to break apart the solid Democrat South.
00:36:36.000Now, when they did that, for the very first time, when they let everybody vote, then you see that for the first time in over 100 years, Republicans began to get elected because they couldn't steal the votes.
00:36:47.000But then they would say, just let's flex this out.
00:36:50.000Well, why did Strom Thurmond switch parties then?
00:36:52.000Because he's the only person that did.
00:36:54.000Strom Thurmond was an independent sort that was a...
00:36:58.000And they use this all the time, just so you know.
00:36:59.000It's one of their top pieces of evidence on their shelf.
00:37:02.000He was a Dixiecrat in 1948, and he was disliked among Democrats as well.
00:37:09.000And he actually had a come to Jesus meeting.
00:37:12.000He had a change of heart, and he began hiring African Americans on his staff.
00:37:19.000And you can ask his successor, which is an African-American, Senator Scott, and he'll tell you how his heart changed, and he changed his party, and was the only person that we know of, the only person, certainly in the Congress, House, or Senate, that switched the parties.
00:37:35.000He's the only one so they could ride that horse.
00:37:44.000So a couple thoughts on the great switch, which I think is the fundamental biggest lie that we tolerate our kids to be fed.
00:37:51.000I think it is the lie of which so many other lies are able to spread.
00:37:58.000It is that it is one of the tributaries that affects everything.
00:38:01.000Because if you believe the party switched, what you're really saying, in essence, is that now Republicans are the bad guys, right?
00:38:08.000In this game of cowboy and Indians, right, for lack of a better term, just use a metaphor, we're wearing the bad jersey, they're wearing the good jersey.
00:38:15.000And you can't accept that, especially when you look at the complete arc of American history.
00:38:19.000Here's a couple of things that I use that are very helpful.
00:38:22.000Why is it as the South became considerably less racist, it became more Republican?
00:38:28.000So if to keep it the logic according to the left, of which there is none, wouldn't it be when the South becomes less racist, they should have stayed Democrat, right?
00:38:37.000If they're truly the kind of way we wear the good jerseys, they wear the bad.
00:38:41.000Also, who actually cared about skin color in 1864?
00:38:45.000The Republican Party or the Democrat Party?
00:38:53.000And the final thing is this, as you wonderfully articulated, it's an interesting thing.
00:38:57.000When you go through presidents, presidents that oversee great periods of prosperity are usually overlooked by historians.
00:39:04.000And we as the Republican Party, we just don't talk about Dwight D. Eisenhower enough.
00:39:09.000Now, people say that I didn't like the tax rates and all that.
00:39:12.000I'm like, that actually is not my total definition of what a conservative is because some of that was out of his control and some of it was somewhat needed to fund the country after the structural deficit after World War II.
00:39:22.000But he was a pro-family defense of Christianity, hard work, community-centered, loving his country patriot who oversaw eight of the most prosperous years in American history and actually did more for racial progress than any other president, probably, in American history, probably post-Reagan, post-Lincoln.
00:39:40.000And so I'm just a bit, I've just, you're correct.
00:39:42.000I've been reading Eisenhower biographies, and basically he thought himself as a role as just the manager of normal America.
00:39:48.000Like, let's just get back to how things should be.
00:39:51.000And I think that's a really aspirational thing where he didn't want himself to be just like king of the land.
00:39:56.000And his exit speech was very prophetic about the military-industrial complex.
00:40:00.000My godfather, Rear Admiral Robert Early, I'm named after him, big, big Eisenhower fan.
00:40:07.000And when I was running for the state assembly, and I was being attacked by my own party in the primary, and he was going to turn 100 years of age, and I was going to miss his 100th birthday.
00:40:16.000And my mom, you know, had died of lung cancer.
00:40:19.000My dad was in a home with Alzheimer's.
00:40:21.000So he was basically the patriarch of our family.
00:40:24.000So I went down to go visit him in the house he'd lived in all 50 years I'd been on this earth.
00:40:28.000And he was bigger than life, still driving at 99 years of age, not well, but driving.
00:40:32.000And I get down there and I start lamenting about the condition of California, talking about how I feel like I've led these folks on a rosy road to nowhere.
00:40:42.000And in the middle of my lamenting, and I've never heard him angry in 50 years, in the middle of my lamenting, he puts his hand up, 99-year-old man, still booming voice, puts his hand up, shaking with age, and he says, stop it.
00:40:54.000And, you know, something like being spanked by a 99-year-old guy.
00:41:06.000And had not been an appointment to the Naval Academy in 37, I would have never received a college degree.
00:41:11.000And I was in Pearl Harbor on December 7th, 1941, and they sank half our Pacific Fleet.
00:41:15.000And you, Rob, being a history major, you don't realize we had the 21st largest military on the face of the earth, and they sank half our Pacific fleet.
00:41:22.000He said, I pulled my shipmates out of the water.
00:41:24.000They sank my ship, and the harbor was on fire.
00:41:56.000And at 99 years of age, I was spanked by that man, and I deserved it.
00:42:03.000And I just, I have to say to all of our listeners who are worried about where America is, the odds were against them then.
00:42:12.000But you were pointing out that I don't remember who it is that stated this, but you had the American Revolution where the experiment in liberty was in great jeopardy.
00:42:42.000We've been meeting every week for 30 years.
00:42:45.000And he made the observation that the two times that America could possibly disappear was the Civil War, when those who are our enemies to this day, those who base their beliefs on race, who want to divide the races, don't want Americans to be Americans.
00:43:02.000He said they could have destroyed it then.
00:43:05.000And what we're seeing now is that same idea.
00:43:18.000The one thing, and I completely agree, and I've done some serious thinking about this, and I wrote a long piece that I'm about to publish, which is that I think we have to get our terms very specific.
00:43:27.000You might totally disagree, which is unlike in the 1860s, I think this is a revolutionary war, not a civil war, because I don't think the opposition wants actually to govern the current country.
00:43:43.000And a civil war typically, and you're right completely about the 1860s, the comparison of the two, but a civil war is typically like, I want to be in charge of the current country, basically.
00:43:57.000Yeah, and that's a different philosophy.
00:43:59.000But it's not dissimilar in the sense of the functionality of it.
00:44:02.000I just think it's important in the sense of we have to call our terms right, where they actually have no desire to govern what we currently have, right?
00:44:10.000And for example, when the Bolsheviks and the Leninites ran over the Romanov dynasty, they were like, we're not going to keep the symbology of the Romanovs around.
00:44:21.000When the French Revolution, which was Robespear, was leading the revolution in France, they weren't really keen on keeping Charlemagne's statue around, right?
00:44:31.000It wasn't exactly, it was like, no, we're going to destroy it.
00:44:33.000We are going to literally create new time, which is what they did.
00:44:36.000We are going to have a 10-day week, not a seven-day week.
00:44:39.000We're going to have our own philosophical and moral code.
00:44:41.000It ended up being a complete disaster, and that's what led the way for Napoleon.
00:44:45.000But that's different philosophically than a civil war, like the English Civil War in the mid-1630s, the 1600s, I should say, which, of course, Thomas Hobbes lived through, where you win, you govern, right?
00:44:58.000Yeah, they want to be totally different.
00:45:00.000And if I could just piggyback on what you were saying there, Rob, about, first of all, to wrap up about the fact that whether or not there was a change, if you listen to them, they'll continue to say, oh, look at your skin color.
00:46:05.000So if you look at Wilson, and this is why Wilson resonates on a deep level for me, if you look at his history, people, you ask a regular historian, they say, well, what did Wilson do before he became president?
00:46:55.000And Woodrow Wilson was the, and this is a misinterpretation of history: is that you look at the philosophical difference of Roosevelt and Taft versus Woodrow Wilson.
00:47:06.000I mean, Taft and Roosevelt were patriots.
00:47:09.000I mean, they were friends that ended up running against each other.
00:47:12.000But Wilson basically wanted to take America in a very almost Leninist direction.
00:47:18.000And from that point forward, we really have seen.
00:47:22.000And I hope I won't forget that, but I want to say the one sentence that you said about taking the ground to bury things.
00:47:29.000Never in the history of the world, never in world history has a nation shed blood and treasure for the freedom of another and never asked anything in return.
00:48:07.000I spoke to the parliament in Seoul some years ago, and I was on the armed service or on the Veterans Affairs Committee, and I pointed out to them that as the World War II generation was passing, that the Veterans Administration was dealing primarily with Korean veterans, and that most of my work was helping these Korean veterans who bear in their body the burdens of the sacrifices they made, half over 50,000 men that gave their lives, plus the hundreds of thousands that now have the injuries that come in their later years.
00:48:35.000I said, but in all of my dealings with these American veterans, not once have I ever heard any of them ever complain about the sacrifice that they made.
00:48:57.000There never has been a nation with the goodness and the greatness of the United States of America.
00:49:03.000Since you allow me to put this as my live stream, I want to do a segue because there's a man in our fellowship, and his name is Bob Wilson.
00:49:11.000He was a staff sergeant at the Chosein Reservoir as a United States Marine.
00:49:15.000And I think only nine men in his entire company came back alive.
00:49:20.000And his bride of 68 years just went to be with the Lord.
00:49:23.000And I'm going to be officiating her memorial service in the next couple weeks.
00:49:27.000And, you know, that was a forgotten war.
00:49:36.000But, Bob, you point out one of the greatest examples of freedom is found in the Korean Peninsula.
00:49:43.000And it's a result of the sacrifice of the good men that served with Sergeant Wilson that died in the Chosin Reservoir and all the countless military personnel that sacrificed.
00:49:57.000And you look at the Korean Peninsula and the satellite picture at night, and the bottom half of it is lit with industry, and the top half is pitch black dark.
00:50:08.000And you said that most of the Aryan land in that did we explain that?
00:50:13.000Yeah, we were having dinner in the Blue House, which is the White House in Seoul.
00:50:17.000And the president made the observation, he was talking to my wife, and he said, you know, when they divided our country at the 30th parallel, I said, North Korea got 75% of the arable land.
00:51:17.000When the wall came down, the GDP per capita on the west side was 17 times higher than it was on the left.
00:51:23.000And the CIA, by the way, said it was 11.
00:51:26.000When the wall came down, and they could actually compare, it was 17.
00:51:29.000North and South Korea, when South Korea got its independence in 1953, thanks to the leadership of Dwight Eisenhower, putting an end to the war.
00:51:38.000When South Korea was the third poorest nation on the planet, third, number three from the bottom, and now it's number 10 from the top.
00:51:47.000I want to contribute something, though, which, you know, as I study this more, and I'm a student of economics informally, but the more I kind of look more broadly at this, the more I recognize and realize that a free economy and private property are instrumental, but it's one piece.
00:52:07.000If you do not have strong and coherent families and flourishing churches, I think that the economics are kind of irrelevant, to be perfectly honest.
00:52:16.000And it's not to say that you should sacrifice one for the other.
00:52:18.000I think they actually work in harmony with each other.
00:52:21.000But one of the reasons why South Korea has been able to flourish is it's a very Christian country as well.
00:53:08.000So the principle of that is that I look you in the eye and I give my word you're going to honor it.
00:53:14.000And so those principles of very high integrity and low burden of government, the greater the wealth.
00:53:19.000The lower the integrity, the thicker, the least I can trust you, the thicker the contract has to be, the more guards I have to put around the business, the more bars I have to put on, the more lawyers you have to get on and the more check I have to do to make sure you deliver.
00:53:34.000If I have a business in Uganda, the more guards I have to round, the more people I have to bribe to get my goods shipped at the dock in wherever it is.
00:53:43.000So the lower the integrity and the higher the burden of government, the greater the poverty.
00:53:47.000So all we do when we vote is we vote on those two things.
00:53:51.000And once you understand that principle, you can go to downtown Detroit, the richest city in the world when I was young, and now the poorest city north of the Rio Grande, and you see the collapse of integrity.
00:54:01.000So everybody's put bars on their windows and now they want to do away with the police, et cetera, and very high taxes.
00:54:10.000And so people say, I'm not going to go there.
00:54:11.000So the population of Detroit is now lower than it was in 1900.
00:54:17.000And there are 38,000 single-family dwellings that are abandoned because people don't want to do that.
00:54:21.000So if you understand that principle, you can make any rich place poor or any poor place rich.
00:54:27.000Now, libertarianism says, I really don't care about these.
00:54:31.000If I want to pimp my daughter, if I want to do drugs, if I want to defecate on the sidewalk, if I want to have open borders, if I want to do California, that is, but I want low taxes, therefore I'm a libertarian.
00:54:43.000Well, it doesn't work unless there is a spiritual value system.
00:54:48.000You can have a zero tax rate in Uganda or in Zaire or Congo.
00:55:18.000That's why our founders put on the wall, thou shalt not steal.
00:55:22.000And so when you did that, you didn't have to have it.
00:55:25.000I think we're a country with an economy in it, not an economy that happens to be in a country and prioritizing the values of what the country is in the ideals.
00:55:34.000And then saying, our economic activity could harmonize with it.
00:55:38.000I think the problem with libertarian fundamentalism, of which I have played in those circles for years, is that there's kind of, at times, there's kind of just a almost a deference to the well-being of the country as long as you can just maximize personal indulgence, or at least the freedom to do it.
00:56:00.000And I actually think that's really destructive for everybody.
00:56:03.000I think it's really destructive for the whole country, for the innocent, for the well-being.
00:56:08.000And I do want to ask this other question, Bob, because I think it's really interesting, you being an economics savant, which is that how much, and I've grown to believe that it's played a bigger and bigger role.
00:56:19.000And you being from Ohio, you know this.
00:56:23.000I actually believe that economics can feed into the spiritual, where that if you make such poor economic decisions public policy-wise that favor big corporations that shut down manufacturing plants and shut them to China, that could make people disengage from the spiritual.
00:56:40.000It can make them disengage from civic life and tear families apart.
00:56:44.000So I think that we as conservatives in the equation sometimes overweigh the social cultural and just say, well, the economics have nothing to do with the social cultural.
00:57:15.000And if you understand how they come about, they're codependent.
00:57:20.000So you can't weaken one without weakening the other.
00:57:22.000So every time we, and you're exactly correct, there's nothing to add to it.
00:57:27.000Well, it's just sometimes conservatives, and not you, would say, it's not a big deal that you ship the factory to China because it's comparative advantage.
00:57:36.000I went into a Starbucks on an early Friday morning, getting ready to go to my men's study.
00:57:42.000And Bob McEwen's thoughts are rolling in my head.
00:57:45.000A young kid in his 20s, wearing army fatigues, disheveled because he's been sleeping on the street, but healthy as an ox, says, can I have some money?
00:57:54.000And I look at him and I said, I'll give you money if you can answer one question.
00:58:12.000I said, money is a representation of the contribution you've made to society.
00:58:16.000You've made no contribution, thus you have no money.
00:58:19.000And that was the start of a long conversation that ended up having him go to teen challenge, get his life in order.
00:58:25.000But it started with you because you point out how wealth is created and you talk about going into the store and you want to buy these shoes because you mowed Widow Johnson's yard.
00:59:35.000And so I make a contribution in which I have made sufficient contribution that he and I come to an exchange, which at the end of the exchange, we are both better off.
00:59:44.000I am richer than I was before because I'd rather have those shoes than have this money.
00:59:47.000He'd rather have that money than have those shoes.
00:59:49.000And we make that exchange in which we are both better off.
00:59:53.000And if we're not, we don't make the exchange.
01:00:05.000And a farmer says, I don't need his wheat.
01:00:07.000And they said, if I had his money, I could buy a new tractor and send my daughter to school.
01:00:11.000And so the baker says, you know, if I had his wheat, I could make some donuts and sell them in the morning.
01:00:16.000And so the two of them make an exchange, which at the end of the exchange, they are both better off, and they have therefore created wealth.
01:00:23.000And that is the only way that wealth is created.
01:00:27.000That's the only way, through a voluntary exchange.
01:00:30.000So when you vote for me, and I'm going to take his money and give it to you, and you're going to be better off if you just vote for me.
01:00:36.000That's called socialism, because he hasn't done anything for you, and you haven't done anything to earn it.
01:00:42.000Therefore, if he says, if I produce something and it's stolen from me, and you say, if I get it and I don't produce it, this is a great thing.
01:01:13.000Because I think I agree all of that, but I don't necessarily agree with it in recent practice.
01:01:21.000And let's have a conversation about it because the free market fundamentalism, a lot of the labor that goes into some of this work, they don't have a say when their factory closes down in Derby, Montana.
01:02:52.000And so you and I used to put money in a bank, and that bank was then loaned.
01:02:56.000I got my first loan for my first car when I was 16 years old.
01:02:59.000I borrowed $600 to buy a car, and the money in the local Hillsborough Bank in Ohio was loaned to me from people that had put it there, and they built churches or houses.
01:03:08.000Beginning about 25 years ago, the mortgage banks in New York said, we will pay you more money than Bob McEwen can do it by borrowing on a house.
01:03:17.000If you will take that money from Main Street America and send it to New York, we will package it and we will invest in China.
01:03:24.000And in China, we're going to build overpasses and businesses and dredge ports and view as leverage.
01:03:31.000And in the meantime, we're going to make a bundle because we're getting a greater return.
01:03:35.000The bank will survive, but all the small businesses are going to disappear.
01:04:14.000But if you will take that money and make that thing in China, then not only that, we'll allow you to send it to Mexico and they'll bring it across the border debt-free.
01:05:18.000The way they wrote it was like, I'm looking around at a depraved landscape, asking, and she went basically down, and I think it was Mahona County, right?
01:05:35.000Only person who promised to bring us dignity back to this region.
01:05:38.000And basically the way that I brand this is Youngstown, Ohio was tired of having mountains and castles of plastic that meant nothing to them while their school has funding problems and everything that they love has been interrupted because that plant used to be open because they used to make something there.
01:05:59.000And this one fella who on a street corner, unemployed, asked him in one sentence, in one sentence, he said, well, he said, I figured this.
01:06:10.000I figured Democrats were more interested in some man taking a shower with my daughter in the locker room than they were in me having a job.
01:06:26.000And what's so interesting is that there's two ways.
01:06:29.000There's a really interesting point I want to go back to with that because I actually think social conservatism is the future of the Republican Party, whereas some people want it to be the past of the Republican Party.
01:06:39.000And I'd love to talk about that because I actually think social conservative values are complete bridge builders and winners in coalition.
01:06:47.000And I would love to talk about that because it's so opposite of like the Mitt Romney wing of the party that they want us to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative.
01:06:54.000Let's wrap up what you're saying here because that's worthwhile.
01:06:57.000So Donald Trump wins, which just upsets all of the intelligentsia.
01:07:02.000And he starts to act like a businessman who's an American.
01:07:08.000He actually believes he's an American.
01:07:10.000So he has satellite pictures of 5,000 acres in Mexico that's filled with all of these cars from China.
01:08:09.000And so, yeah, I think we ought to add 28%.
01:08:12.000Now, then the Senate, the people that claim to be conservative Republicans, which I call the Bedwetter Caucus, they immediately run and say, well, you can't do that.
01:08:21.000My goodness, that's a violation of free trade and all that.
01:08:24.000Now, when Liz and I were in Brussels the following October, I showed her the newspaper that day that we were going in the European Union, that day, the get this.
01:08:43.000They have glass and rubber and all these things, but basically, Audis, VMWs, Mercedes, Volkswagen.
01:08:51.000So they make cars from which everything else goes.
01:08:53.000You hit cars, they're going to feel up very rapidly.
01:08:57.000And so while we were there, I said, look at this.
01:08:59.000The German Automobile Manufacturers Association was proposing to the European Union that taxes and tariffs on American cars to your European Union should be dropped to zero.
01:10:04.000Because he knows that they're dependent on automobiles.
01:10:07.000And the second he signs an automobile agreement, then when it comes to medical equipment and everything else, they'll start screwing us again.
01:10:13.000So the fact of the matter is, he is protecting America.
01:10:16.000And as a result, America is in a recovery such that that force in New York, Wall Street, those billions of dollars, those trillions of dollars that have money from all over the world going to China.
01:10:27.000And China with its military and political forces are at risk to that whole operation that if he gets re-elected, they'll never going to recover.
01:10:37.000If you will look at the economy, and for anybody that has any questions for you guys who got iPads in front of you, go to the St. Louis Federal Reserve and look at the St. Louis Federal Reserve and look at the chart that has the median income for Americans.
01:10:52.000And you will see in 1996, it's $62,000 something.
01:10:59.000And then you will find 20 years later, it's exactly the same within $200.
01:11:29.000That is, the Chinese were smart enough to figure out that we get these critical pieces that you can't build a Mercedes Germany unless you have our little piece from here.
01:11:37.000You can't make a Samsung refrigerator unless you have our little piece.
01:11:40.000And so they systematically went around the world getting critical.
01:12:25.000They have to claim that you're going to die if you look at me with your face uncovered.
01:12:29.000They do everything in the world to take power.
01:12:31.000And if they are able to do that, then we'll be back in the soup again.
01:12:34.000And if they don't, America will continue to bless the world.
01:12:36.000Well, and the interesting part about import tariffs is that all VW and Mercedes have to do is just make it here and you avoid the tariff.
01:12:43.000And what they want to do is just make it in Germany.
01:12:45.000And the conversation around tariffs in fundamentalist free market circles, especially the fringe libertarians, and again, I know a lot of these people.
01:12:53.000I agree with them on issues of free speech and guns.
01:12:55.000But when it comes to this, I just, I struggle because I say, there's like, oh, all tariffs are always bad.
01:13:00.000And I say, well, let me tell you about something.
01:13:02.000You guys know about the pickup truck tariff.
01:13:03.000And a lot of people don't know about this.
01:13:04.000There's a 25% import tariff on the books for all pickup trucks in America.
01:13:08.000Signed by mistake by Lyndon Baines Johnson, pressured to sign it.
01:14:46.000And we're foolish enough that when they take advantage of us, I'll give you one more.
01:14:50.000We didn't allow Japan to fly in the internal United States.
01:14:53.000They could fly to Seattle and Los Angeles, but they couldn't fly to Chicago and Omaha.
01:14:57.000And so they kept banging, banging, banging to do that.
01:14:59.000And so we negotiated that we could fly, we would get additional flights to Japan, and they would be able to fly to Chicago and elsewhere.
01:15:05.000And one of the requirements that they made was that we would get the food service and repairs would be done at the local airport, which seems naive because it goes to exactly what you said.
01:15:15.000That is because we think that we're being honest.
01:15:18.000Folks that are dealing with us, if they can screw us, they see that as an accomplishment.
01:15:23.000Whereas under our spiritual value system, we think that that's wrong, even though even if we didn't have to do it, we wouldn't think it was right.
01:16:47.000You've lived sacrificially what God has called you to.
01:16:52.000And our paths crossed just by the grace of God.
01:16:56.000And now, you know, you see what we're having to deal with in California, and you know the spiritual constraints that are being put on the church in America.
01:17:07.000From the vantage point of being a politician, but more than that, primarily being a believer and stepping into the public square and understanding the value of the church and the importance of the church to engage in the public square.
01:17:19.000Give me your thoughts on that, if you would.
01:17:22.000Anything you'd like to encourage the listeners with?
01:17:24.000Insights you've had, stuff you just want to share.
01:17:28.000Because Charlie's on his phone and he didn't have a question, and I do, so I'm going to steal that.
01:17:32.000Well, I do think that it's a fight that we're facing.
01:17:38.000And just to remind you about who Winston Churchill was, Winston Churchill was the first 20th century.
01:17:45.000When the British Empire was collapsing, one person in four on the planet lived in the British Empire, and they decided they were going to be kind and they would weakness if they just, as my father described it, when the rabid dog is running at you, you throw away your stick so that he doesn't attack you.
01:17:59.000And he's usually not impressed by that.
01:18:01.000But nevertheless, that's what Britain did during the 1930s.
01:18:04.000And finally, when they're about to disappear and they're done, you can do this in a monarchy, you can't do it in America, the king came in and said to Winston Churchill, he said, now that we're all done and the world's fallen apart, and how would you like to be prime minister?
01:18:18.000And so he said he drove out of Buckingham Palace, the weight of the world fell upon him, and yet he did two things.
01:18:26.000He said that he felt that his entire life had been but a preparation for this hour.
01:18:31.000And then he went home and slept the sleep of a newborn babe, content in the knowledge that finally someone was in charge who knew what they were doing.
01:18:40.000That's about ego, but nevertheless, a fellow asked him one time, he said, how do I prepare for public office?
01:19:00.000That is, at the end of World War II, when Woodrow Wilson was six months in Paris and they did the Treaty of Versailles, one of the provisions was that on the border between Germany and France, that the Rhineland along the river there, that they were not allowed to have any military armaments because that would be a tripwire.
01:19:21.000That's elsewhere, but it's called the Rhineland.
01:19:24.000And it's a warning that the militarized zone, that if the British moved, if the Germans moved in there, that would be an early warning here.
01:19:51.000And so he orders the military into the demilitarized zone, into the Rhineland.
01:19:56.000And when he does, we now know on every soldier were the retreat orders that if they met any resistance at all, they were to retreat because their army was so worthless and so useless that, get this, the army of France alone, not Belgium, Germany, not Belgium and Britain and elsewhere, the army of France was 11 times greater than the army of Germany.
01:20:52.000And so he began to realize that now the shift began to come to him.
01:20:55.000Now take that model and let me talk about California.
01:20:58.000Where a fellow comes along and says, oh, by the way, I don't think that we should have barbers working on this week for the next week and a half.
01:21:08.000And everybody says, oh, okay, well, then fine, we'll do that.
01:21:10.000He said, I don't think we ought to go to school.
01:21:56.000And if we don't have people that will stand up like Rob, in which we're going to confront as to whether or not America exists or whether we rule by individual fiat out of Columbus and Sacramento and Tallahassee.
01:22:10.000Problems that aren't confronted multiply.
01:22:13.000And that is one of the big issues right now.
01:22:42.000And it's either they're choosing not to do it, like they think it's a thunderstorm and they're just waiting for it to pass, or they don't know how to fight, or they just have an unwillingness to engage at this very moment.
01:22:55.000And as we're recording this podcast, Republican governors are shutting their states down again.
01:23:00.000And I want to say the good ones as much as I say the bad ones.
01:23:03.000I have to make sure I make a habit of that.
01:23:06.000But Governor Kemp, God bless him, for what he's doing for suing the local municipalities saying you can't mandate your citizens to wear masks.
01:23:27.000He's going through a tough moment there because everyone's decided to go to Florida with the virus, but I think he's holding the line really well.
01:23:33.000But there's other states where they're just shutting everything down.
01:23:38.000I believe the authoritarians are trying to push us until they realize how far they can go.
01:23:43.000Can I also add that you're seeing at the gubernatorial level, but in my own county, and Bob, you were the one who opened my eyes to this, that the most powerful elected official in any county is the sheriff.
01:23:56.000He's the one who can call martial law.
01:23:58.000He's the one that can declare disaster.
01:24:02.000And in some of these counties in California, especially in ours, I'm in direct violation of the governor's authority, his edict, and have continued to be.
01:24:11.000And threatening to have our water shut off, our power shut off, a $1,000 a day fine.
01:24:15.000I mean, and they have pushed this draconian rule down to the local municipalities, enforcing, holding back funds from the city if they don't enforce these state rulings.
01:24:26.000But there's no legal, or let me correct that.
01:24:31.000There's no police force in our county willing to arrest us because our sheriff realizes this is a violation of constitutional rights.
01:24:40.000Now, I don't want to put him in the spotlight.
01:24:45.000And I can't say that he's publicly declared that, but we haven't had an officer come in to shut us down.
01:24:51.000And this is going to have to happen in some other capacity.
01:24:53.000And there's counties all over California that have sheriffs that you look at it as a doctrine of the lesser magistrate.
01:24:59.000Their governors may not be doing it, but these sheriffs are pushing back in defense of their citizens within their county.
01:25:06.000Can local authority have as much power as a governor to push that up the food chain?
01:25:11.000And as Charlie's pointing out, we want to see it from the federal level and we want to see it from the gubernatorial level.
01:25:16.000But I think every level of government can resist, can't we?
01:25:20.000And we've never experienced this before.
01:25:21.000We've never had anything close to this.
01:25:23.000And let me just put around as to why good people are succumbing to it.
01:25:28.000And if I may recommend a little book that you read at one sitting, it's about a quarter of an inch thick.
01:25:33.000It's called How Do You Kill 11 Million People.
01:25:35.000It was a byproduct of a conversation I had with a very good friend of mine by the name of Andy Andrews, in which he was always frustrated at how he would see these Jewish families getting on these boxcars.
01:25:44.000And you see at the end of the dock, you see some guy with a gun, some Nazi soldier somewhere.
01:25:49.000He said, but these people could have overrunning in a minute.
01:25:56.000And that is, you need to move into this section of town in Warsaw because in order for you to be safe, in order for you to be safe, you need to be because we want to keep you safe.
01:26:06.000Why are you putting these walls around?
01:26:16.000Why must I have this ticket if I'm going to keep you safe?
01:26:18.000And so then they would call the fathers together and they would say, Now we have some bad news to report, and that is that the Russians are coming and it's no longer safe here.
01:26:29.000But we have a place that's much, much better.
01:27:16.000Subsequently, the scripture said, and there is always a direct correlation between man's spirit and all of these things that we talk about in government and economics.
01:27:24.000And so 365 times it says in scriptures to fear not.
01:27:28.000Because God knows that we are fearful.
01:27:32.000And then when Christ comes in the most momentous time in history, and the shepherds are there in the field and the angels show up, the very first words out of their mouth, fear not.
01:27:42.000For behold, I bring you good tidings with great joy.
01:27:44.000So man knows, God knows that man is subject to fear.
01:27:48.000If I can scare you, then I can manipulate you into literally walking your children into a death chamber.
01:27:53.000And what you will hear everywhere is not, do these masks are they productive?
01:28:27.000When I first went through the eighth grade, there was a whole month.
01:28:32.000One thing that my public middle school did very well is they taught the horrors of the Holocaust.
01:28:37.000And I'll never forget, I challenged my teacher and I said, I don't understand how this could have happened.
01:28:43.000And throughout high school and throughout the beginnings of turning point, I came to better grips so that I visited Dachau and I understood.
01:28:51.000And two parts of this was when I visited Dachau, it got harder for me to understand because when you go there in northern Munich, one of the few concentration camps still that they didn't demolish because they demolished almost all of them.
01:29:06.000They have a very old apartment building right next to it.
01:29:11.000And I asked the tour guide, I said, how old is that building?
01:29:14.000And they said, oh, yeah, it goes back to like 1920.
01:29:16.000And it's about eight stories high with a direct view into the concentration camp.
01:29:21.000And I said, wait, you're trying to tell me that just like everyday German citizens went home every single day and what they saw out their window was not a beach, a park, or people strolling, but a concentration camp?
01:29:34.000So you think about a whole multiplex, multi-story apartment building where German citizens would open up their window every morning and night and see Dachau in an urban center.
01:29:42.000So just think about how chilling that is.
01:29:44.000Second, so then that didn't make a lot.
01:29:46.000So, the first thing was the abdication and the normalization of the other by the citizenry.
01:29:51.000The second of which, which now I fully understand, for the first time in this shutdown I've seen, I'm like, now I see how totalitarianism comes through.
01:30:09.000Bob pointed out when I was lamenting over this and trying to figure out a roadmap to lead the congregation.
01:30:17.000Your wisdom was so valuable to me when you pointed out that it's knowledge that dispels fear.
01:30:27.000And as we give them facts and we would bring in doctors and psychologists, and we've done 110 live streams, it did wonders for the congregation to be able to turn off this, you know, censorship and just look at facts and process them.
01:31:23.000Weeks and months on end of pastors abdicating.
01:31:25.000And in the midst of it, we decided to take just a little time out so we could all go in the street for race riots to say how awful of a country we are with no masks on, millions of us saying how much we hate the country.
01:31:33.000Then we went back inside after that halftime show of race riots.
01:32:10.000I said, wow, this would be a really hard thing to explain because if the alien got the whole picture, they say, wait, you're a really wealthy, vibrant country.
01:32:17.000Why do you have so many people that hate your country?
01:32:20.000It would be really hard to explain, right?
01:32:25.000And it's hard for someone from another country to explain, but it's even harder if someone just came and they said, my goodness.
01:32:30.000And if you were to try to explain, wait a second, you locked yourself up for something that has been proven that young people cannot, young young people cannot carry it.
01:33:42.000So a lie is something that is degrees off from what is true.
01:33:46.000Doublespeak as Orwell theorized, he created a new word, double think and double speak, of something that is so reflectively wrong and untrue that it doesn't even warrant the same categories.
01:34:11.000And we don't even know how to deal with it.
01:34:13.000And what Orwell theorized is that it's actually so asymmetrical for the human consciousness psychologically, like we're actually not capable of being able to deal with it.
01:34:21.000And so Orwell was probably the most incredibly prophetic dystopian author.
01:34:25.000And he was once a socialist, and then he actually went and saw what the socialists were all about, and he just became kind of a classical liberal.
01:34:31.000He famously said that socialism is much more about hating the rich than helping the poor.
01:35:11.000And so, because we know how to do lies.
01:35:13.000It's almost like a conversation between two three-year-olds.
01:35:16.000Yeah, in some ways, but it's not incorrect.
01:35:19.000It's not incorrect because if you read the romantics, right, of the 1800s, and I don't like that term romantic because I call it the infants.
01:35:29.000Because if you read like Jean-Jacques Rousseau, he wrote very clearly that he values the primitive over the civilized, the infant over the adult, the passionate lover over the loyal spouse.
01:35:42.000He said that the things that we have designed in Christian society are wrong.
01:35:47.000And it's not that they're not desirable.
01:35:50.000It's like, no, you should reject them.
01:35:52.000And in some ways, when people say the left is a petulant child, it's actually very true.
01:37:29.000Just while you're on that point, the greatest correlation between income and any other factor, not race, education, gender, is vocabulary.
01:37:41.000And so if a person starts pronouncing proper English, they'll attack that kid and say, well, you're acting white, to force him from being successful.
01:37:56.000Well, I mean, and the greatest example of this, the greatest example, is the phenomenal hero of Clarence Thomas.
01:38:03.000So Clarence Thomas, so that depiction of the Smithsonian you mentioned was a project of the National American, African American History Museum, right?
01:38:11.000Interestingly enough, the one African American they don't have in there is Clarence Thomas.
01:38:17.000And so Clarence Thomas being someone who the reason he does not speak is, and his biography will tell you this, and his biographer will tell you this, is he grew up in the antebellum South and he actually learned a different form of English.
01:41:25.000Without him was not anything made that was made.
01:41:27.000And so therefore, that is our creator, gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time.
01:41:33.000So they want to get rid of God so then they can take innocent life, so then they are in the process of taking our liberty.
01:41:38.000And one party is dedicated to doing that, to taking God out of the Pledge of Allegiance, to taking God out of all those references, who then supports the taking of innocent life.
01:41:46.000You cannot be, not only can you not be a candidate for office and support life.
01:41:51.000I met with a series of Democrat consultants, and these Democrat consultants explained to them that they, when they go to, if they support a Democrat candidate for office who is pro-life, that they will be blackballed by the National Committee.
01:42:08.000So the Democrat Party is committed to doing away with God, with life.
01:42:11.000And of course, we have this confrontation with our liberty.
01:42:14.000And the only person who says that the parties are all alike are a person that doesn't know about either one.
01:42:21.000I was thinking it'd be a good thing to kind of close with from my vantage point, because I'm kind of the observer of the three.
01:42:30.000And Charlie, being here with you in Phoenix and witnessing kind of the updates of Turning Point, and then Bob spending time with you and seeing how God's just remarkably used you and just this wisdom that you're imparting and the combination.
01:43:13.000And what hit me as Bob was talking is that if all the lights in this room were to be pitch black and we were to seal every nook and cranny where we couldn't see our hand in front of our face, you'd light one candle and that would be the focal point of the room.
01:43:28.000Because no matter how much darkness prevails, one light, it becomes the focal point.
01:43:36.000And I want that to be an encouragement to the listeners of viewers that when you're on the side of truth and you light that candle, it doesn't matter how much darkness prevails.
01:43:48.000It becomes the center point of the room.
01:44:17.000And so, but it's even the little things, right?
01:44:20.000And I'm the type of person that if I see the strong abusing the weak, I get involved.
01:44:26.000That means if I see someone at a grocery store who's abusing a kid, I say something, right?
01:44:33.000If I see someone at the side of the corner doing something incorrectly to an elderly person, I say something.
01:44:39.000Now, those are actually uncommon because we live in a very decent country.
01:44:44.000But more commonly, when I say someone say something that's untrue about my country or about God, I do something about it.
01:44:52.000And that doesn't mean you have to pick every single fight, but someone listening to this knows exactly the fight that they've been delaying.
01:45:03.000Or it's, you know, boy, I keep going to that Bible study and they just keep saying things about BLM, but I listen to this show and I know better.
01:45:11.000Then the problem that doesn't confront multiplies.
01:45:14.000The reason you get a Vladimir Lenin is not just because Lenin got exported from Austria and ended World War I and had a sinister Marxist ideology.
01:45:23.000No, it was it was he it was all the little mini injustices and mini totalitarians that existed.
01:45:30.000It was the millions of people that then became oppressive to their wife.
01:45:34.000It was all the mini Lenins that then populated the country.
01:45:37.000He's like, oh, he could do that, then I could do that.
01:45:39.000And so all of a sudden, if we're a country from the, I think, I bet the best, I know the best change comes from the bottom up.
01:45:46.000And someone's like, oh, what can I do, macro?
01:45:48.000Like, what if you did something that's just being a heroic, normal person?
01:47:53.000Well, I'm beginning to get over the hump of being able to say that as I hear people ask questions, the DVD Politics Easiest Pie does explain these things, the scriptural underpinning and why some nations are rich and some nations are poor, why some people are rich and why some people are poor.
01:48:11.000And so at BobMcEwen.com, they could get a copy of that.
01:48:15.000And I think it might be helpful in the arguments, particularly grandparents or something that want to give it to their grandchildren or have a template in which someone could say, why is America wealthy when you go across a river and suddenly everything falls apart?
01:48:28.000There's no air conditioning and they can't drink the water.
01:48:57.000And you've come to set the captives free.
01:48:58.000And upon this we stand, and we can do no less.
01:49:01.000And so, Lord, I pray that you would just continue to create this awakening across the land and cause men and women to be dispelled, that their fear would dissipate and that faith would rise and that they would realize that one person in God constitutes a majority.
01:49:16.000And if, Lord, they fear you, they don't need to fear anything else.
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