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00:02:03.000So I know you've been on there since day one, but what's happening with Mike Gallagher is an absolute disgrace.
00:02:09.000And it shouldn't be allowed to happen, quite frankly.
00:02:12.000But what it seems to have been happening is a company called Palantir offered Mike Gallagher a job.
00:02:18.000He's now leaving Congress early and going to be leaving the great patriots of Wisconsin's eighth congressional district without representation until January of next year.
00:02:27.000And so Mike Gallagher is totally quitting on the people that voted for him and leaving Republicans with a one-seat majority for the time being, which is an absolute travesty.
00:02:37.000I mean, we need to keep these investigations in the crooked hunter, crooked Joe Biden and Hunter Biden going.
00:02:43.000And Mike Gallagher quitting Congress is putting this in jeopardy and all of the other great work that the House Republicans are doing in jeopardy.
00:02:49.000So Mike Gallagher is joining the likes of Ken Buck and Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney with this ridiculous decision.
00:02:57.000And so we need to keep putting the pressure on him and holding him accountable.
00:03:01.000But walk me through this, Alex, and tell me about the district he represents.
00:03:06.000I know it involves Door County and other what part of Wisconsin is this?
00:04:28.000And now they're going to be voiceless for nine months.
00:04:30.000And so I'm very concerned by what Mike Gallagher did.
00:04:34.000And I know the people of Wisconsin's 8th District are concerned.
00:04:37.000You've had Ocanto and Waupaca County chairman send letters demanding he resigns before April 2nd, so that triggers a special election.
00:04:44.000You've had the largest county in the district, Brown County, send a letter to Gallagher saying that they're incredibly disappointed with his decision to resign early and they hope that he at least does the right thing and sticks out through the end of his term, but he's not going to.
00:05:00.000Palantir is basically an extension of the CIA, and Mike Gallagher is going to have a very handsome payday over there when he leaves, and the people of Wisconsin will be left without representation.
00:05:22.000I know President Trump's come out strongly against that particular ban.
00:05:25.000When you have Nancy Pelosi on TV celebrating something, then you probably have to take a pause and wonder what the heck's going on.
00:05:32.000But Mike Gallagher was the co-sponsor of the TikTok, the recent TikTok ban legislation that is broader than just TikTok itself.
00:05:42.000But Palantir has been actively advocating for this ban.
00:05:47.000And so just coincidentally, Mike Gallagher, the author of the TikTok ban, gets hired by the company that's been spearheading the lobbying effort to ban TikTok just days after the ban goes through.
00:06:00.000And so I'm not saying that there's quid pro quo or pay for play, but there's a lot of people that are speculating that.
00:06:07.000And, you know, it's not the first time that that would have happened in Washington, D.C., if that actually is the case.
00:06:12.000But I think he deserves to at least, you know, he needs to be transparent with the district.
00:06:17.000He needs to be transparent with the people of the district who have paid him $1.5 million in taxpayer money for his salary over the last eight years.
00:06:32.000You know, when he voted to defend Alejandro Mayorkas, he said, well, I'm concerned that James Madison is going to come back from the dead and send me a mean tweet.
00:06:41.000But in reality, what we're finding out now is that Palantir has a $95 million contract with Alejandro Mayorkis' DHS.
00:06:51.000And so, how long has he been in conversation with Palantir?
00:06:56.000Has he been acting as Wisconsin's eighth congressman for the last year, or has he been acting as Palantir's personal congressman for the last year?
00:07:03.000And so I hope he has at least the respect and decency to give the answers to the people.
00:07:21.000You're visiting, you're out of the country, you're out of town, or you're in a motel or bar in DC, and some whatever you're into, women or men or whatever, comes up and they're very attractive and they're laughing at your jokes and you're buying them a drink.
00:07:38.000Next thing you know, you're in the motel room with them naked.
00:07:41.000And next thing you know, you know, you're about to make a key vote.
00:08:33.000They campaign a certain way and then they get to Washington and they do a 180 and you're like, what the hell happened?
00:08:39.000And so it's very possible that there was a situation like that that played out, obviously, with Eric Swalwell and his infamous Chinese girlfriend, Fang Fang.
00:08:47.000You know, so there's a lot of stories like that that have actually been proven to be true.
00:08:53.000And so I wouldn't be shocked if something like that happened, but I do know that the people of Wisconsin's 8th District deserve better.
00:08:59.000And, you know, Mike Gallagher now has a hand-picked replacement.
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00:12:58.000I will say this: I think your interview did a good job of exposing, I think, many of the contradictions.
00:13:04.000And look, there's a reason why there's a lot of journalists at NBC News uncomfortable with this because many of our professional dealings with the RNC over the last six years have been met with gaslighting, have been met with character assassination.
00:13:16.000So now reports show that Rana might be on the way out at NBC News.
00:13:25.000Joy Reed says, quote, it's saying that we have to entertain the idea that the election was stolen on an equal level as we entertain the idea that we should be a multiracial democracy.
00:13:35.000That is capitulating to an autocrat in advance by saying, yes, we will take your apparatchi and allow them to be elevated and platformed with us.
00:13:43.000Not only is Rana one of the least popular, most hated people on the right, she's also hated by the left.
00:13:50.000And I think it is a perfect story and an incredibly important takeaway for Ken Buck, for Mike Gallagher.
00:14:01.000Unless you go full Liz Cheney and full Adam Kinzinger, there will never be a place at the table for you with these savages, ever.
00:14:10.000And Rana shows up in NBC News thinking that she'll be warmly received.
00:14:15.000She was the moderate, cooler head in the room, right?
00:14:18.000She was the one that she wasn't as crazy as those Charlie Kirk people, but now she has no friends on the right.
00:14:26.000The grassroots can't stand her because she declared war on the grassroots.
00:14:31.000And then she goes to try to have a hero's welcome at NBC and they say, I hate you.
00:14:41.000Rana thought that she could execute a soft and seamless landing at NBC News.
00:14:48.000That they would say, well, thank you, Chairman McDaniel, for all of your great work at the RNC, holding up decency and quelling the rebellion of the grassroots.
00:14:55.000And by the way, if NBC News was smart, which they're not, because they're driven by rage and envy and fury, do you know what they would say?
00:15:04.000Kristen Welker would say, Rana, thank you for being a contributor.
00:15:08.000Thank you for weakening the Republican Party and damaging it so significantly that Joe Biden just actually might win another term.
00:15:15.000What you did at the RNC was never done before.
00:15:17.000You had the worst fundraising year in the last 30 years, inflation adjusted.
00:15:20.000You have no full-time staff in Arizona, Wisconsin.
00:15:23.000The grassroots donors have completely dried up, and you are the most hated figure on the right besides Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger.
00:15:30.000On behalf of all of Marxists at NBC News, thank you, Rana, for your contribution to the revolution.
00:16:10.000I'm sorry, Chris and Welker, did we not have 50 former intel agencies erroneously sign a letter saying that the Hunter Biden laptop is Russian disinformation?
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00:17:48.000Again, the conversation that we had previously was terrific.
00:17:52.000So Mike, I do want to get your thoughts on this.
00:17:54.000What is your initial takeaway on, and I have no idea what your reaction will be, on the TikTok bill that is currently pending in front of Congress?
00:18:03.000Yeah, it's a very complicated issue because there's the national security concerns that from my perspective, the valid side of the advocacy around TikTok has to do with great power competition, not so much on the security side.
00:18:20.000We have this, the arguments around banning TikTok were a lot more colorable several years ago before our own federal government moved so heavily into the censorship industry.
00:18:32.000TikTok has basically copied its terms of service violation policies to what NATO has asked for.
00:18:41.000I see it being a complicated issue, obviously, because we are in this great power competition with China.
00:18:45.000But the issue is, is if you do a, and I catch some flack from this from folks, you know, because I consider myself to be a China hawk.
00:18:53.000But in this regard, I think that there is a potential diplomatic devastation from banning another country from being able to have a successful social media product in our own country when we spend hundreds of millions of dollars every year exporting soft power, informational and media influence to other countries.
00:19:15.000I mean, I witnessed firsthand at the State Department what happens when you negotiate with counterparts on the basis of values and they throw back in your face.
00:19:23.000I mean, even at the time, you know, when we would make arguments about Huawei and China having a backdoor to the IT infrastructure of other countries, were they to choose Huawei over a Western competitor?
00:19:34.000You know, the answer would be, well, how about the Snowden leagues?
00:19:37.000You know, doesn't the NSA do the same thing?
00:19:39.000And the fact is, is other countries are aware of that.
00:19:43.000When you do this, I think the issue is, is just like Bukele in El Salvador very publicly made the argument that arresting Donald Trump meant the end of legitimacy around U.S. sanctions policy for jailing political opponents.
00:19:59.000This is going to do the same thing, I think, potentially in the free trade space and make any investment of any commercial entity that's a large multinational player in the U.S. look like the U.S. is fragile in the same way that running an investment in New York now looks fragile because you can just get fined $500 million by a rogue judge as they're doing to Trump.
00:20:20.000I have very serious concerns that doing this to TikTok is going to cause a similar flight from the U.S. and damage our ability to be diplomatic abroad in addition to the free speech rights that are endemic to the issue itself.
00:20:43.000Yeah, well, and let me say that I'm, you know, I've never alleged that this is a formal CIA operation.
00:20:49.000You know, what you have is at the top of it is a character named Rosa Brooks, who is the head of the Transition Integrity Project.
00:20:55.000And Rosa Brooks was a, you know, teaches democratization studies at Georgetown Law currently.
00:21:01.000So she's sort of billed as an academic, but this is another one of these faux facades where you can't really spell academia without CIA in it.
00:21:09.000Rosa Brooks was the, it was a former high-ranking Pentagon official for the Obama administration.
00:21:18.000Her book is about, it's called How the Military, How War Became Everything and the Military, how Military Became Everything and War Became Everything To or something.
00:21:31.000I forget sort of a complicated title, but basically in the book, in the first chapter, she brags about having a CIA blue badge and access to the inner sanctum of the CIA.
00:21:39.000You know, the CIA's job is to rig elections abroad.
00:21:43.000Even James Woolsey, the CIA director, said that openly to Megan Kelly just a few years ago.
00:21:48.000And we've been using the CIA as a dirty tricks department for 100 years to do that.
00:21:53.000And so Rosa Brooks is this CIA DOD official who ran Transition Integrity Project, which was really the first full-scale domestic color revolution simulator that, to my knowledge, this country has ever had.
00:22:08.000It's everything that the 20 defendants in Georgia have been accused of on RICO charges there, but on absolute steroids.
00:22:16.000Basically, what this was, for folks who don't know, is this was a counter-coup simulator, is how they build it.
00:22:22.000They said in June 2020, if Trump refuses to leave office, then we need to be able to have a, you know, if he holds on to the instruments of government, like Slobodan Milosevic did in Yugoslavia or like, you know, Yanukovych, they argue, tried to do in 2014.
00:23:23.000And what they contemplated was, is this in June 2020, one month after the George Floyd riots popped off, they contemplated doing favors, explicit favors for racial justice activists associated with the Black Lives Matter movement, as well as all the other street paramilitary groups like Antifa, in order to respond to a Biden call to take to the streets.
00:23:43.000Now, surrounded by Rosa Brooks, there were Donna Brazil, the former head of the DNC, Michael Steele, the former head of the GOP, Bill Kristol, basically the head of the neocon never Trump wing of the Republican Party, and a coterie of other high-ranking defense and intelligence officials.
00:24:00.000And another thing they plotted was to work alongside the joint chiefs of staff, Mark Milley, who magically kept his job as joint chiefs of staff two and a half years into the Biden administration.
00:24:10.000You know, this was a Trump appointee, you know, associated with a lot of dirty deeds for undermining Trump, who Biden kept in office.
00:24:18.000And this group of military intelligence officials planning to run a domestic color revolution if Trump won the Electoral College.
00:24:27.000So it was a high-low coalition, working with the military, working with the joint chiefs, and then working with this kind of anarcho-tyranny mob in order to simulate the kind of regime change operations at home that we've done for so long abroad.
00:24:39.000So I want to kind of dive into this further.
00:24:42.000Do we have even more infrastructure for this cycle, what it might look like?
00:24:50.000Yeah, well, one of the things that concerns me is when I see federal funding going to, you know, what appear to be these kind of street paramilitary groups, like you have this thing called the Climate Corps that Biden pumped a lot of money into.
00:25:04.000This is, I think, it was tens of millions of dollars in the last budget.
00:25:07.000You know, it almost has this sort of military name.
00:25:10.000Now, the climate sort of eco-terrorism mob was highly associated with the shutdown D.C. movement here in the U.S. There was something called the Sunrise Movement and these famous Sunrise Zoom calls, which warped in officials from the Department of Homeland Security, from CISA, the very agency censoring the election and also administering the election at the electronic level, as well as military folks and these sort of civil society CIA cutout groups, the National Endowment for Democracy.
00:25:38.000And so the Sunrise Movement had this vast planning infrastructure for how to shut down the country and shut down D.C.
00:25:46.000That was their hashtag shutdown DC in the run-up to 2020.
00:25:50.000And now I see tens of billions of dollars being pumped into these groups directly by the Biden administration.
00:25:56.000Who is in charge of that energy slush fund that this money runs through?
00:26:03.000It wasn't just Hillary Clinton's campaign manager in 2016.
00:26:06.000John Podesta was a member of the Transition Integrity Project, not just a member of it.
00:26:10.000He was the one who personally role-played the role of Joe Biden in the coup simulator to work with Black Lives Matter and the joint chiefs of staff to jointly run Trump out of office if he happened to win the election.
00:26:23.000So the fact that that same source seems to be funding basically a kind of zombie cell in waiting to potentially recreate the 2020 destabilization efforts is something that I think will become hotter as the summer approaches.
00:26:38.000So what's stopping us from defunding all this?
00:26:40.000Does the House Republicans in our spending deals can't we defund this?
00:26:45.000Well, the issue is, there's a civil war on the right right now between the populist faction, who's focused on domestic priorities, and the foreign policy establishment, the traditional power base of the GOP, which is focused on foreign policy.
00:27:01.000So you have this domestic priorities versus foreign policy side.
00:27:04.000And there is definitely a growing faction within Congress of that mega populist domestic side.
00:27:12.000But the fact is, his party leadership is totally beholden to the foreign policy establishment.
00:27:16.000This is the same way that Republicans got steamrolled in this $1.2 trillion spending bill, the same way that it was Republicans who funded the very, you know, the expansion of the FBI at the same time the FBI was manhandling and imprisoning their own president at the same time that the FBI was,
00:27:35.000you know, You would think that the GOP would be defunding the entire Justice Department until they drop these insane lawsuits, imprisoning a president and basically terrorizing all their political opponents.
00:27:47.000You want real weaponization accountability.
00:27:51.000In fact, that's what my orchest said, the DHS secretary, when he was pleading for more CISA funding.
00:27:57.000And by the way, the Republicans gave CISA all the funding they asked for too, even after the Republicans knew that CISA had censored millions of Republicans in the 2020 election and 2022 midterms.
00:28:10.000And, you know, I've had some of these conversations with folks in Congress.
00:28:14.000And my impression is there's a tremendous amount of pressure from party leadership to give the blob its cut on money.
00:28:21.000And you can make all the barking you want in the media.
00:28:24.000But when it comes down to it, where you really get in trouble is taking out their funding.
00:28:27.000And I think people are afraid in Congress.
00:28:30.000So what coded phrases should we look for this summer and fall showing that they're trying to pull off similar color revolution shenanigans here?
00:28:40.000So anytime you see funding going towards domestic civil society groups, now this is another cover word, okay?
00:28:47.000Civil society, you know, your mind is drawn to the word civil.
00:28:50.000And what they're really referring to there is a distinction between the civilian side and government.
00:28:57.000So civil society is the classic phrase for government cutouts.
00:29:02.000When the government wants to do something but can't get caught doing it because it would be illegal or because it would be an international scandal, what we do is we set up cutouts within civil society.
00:29:15.000University centers are a major hub for this, like Georgetown and like Stanford, like Harvard, like MIT, and many others who are wrapped into this.
00:29:23.000But when you see domestic democracy funding, that is a watchword for color revolution.
00:29:29.000Democracy is the word that we use to ignite our foreign policy apparatus to send them into action to overthrow governments.
00:29:37.000And so this is a word as much problems as the Democrats had with Bush in 2000, 2008.
00:29:57.000So, Mike, what else do we have to know about this?
00:29:59.000And talk about, so Soros for years theorized that the emphasis on the word democracy, democracy, democracy, there's other people that are obviously to credit for this or to blame, but Soros has always been a major pusher for that word.
00:30:14.000And that word does not mean what people think the word means.
00:30:16.000It's almost as if they employed the Steve Jobs strategy.
00:30:20.000Find a word that is very high in people's standing, Apple.
00:30:23.000You know, everyone has a good feeling.
00:30:38.000And specifically when used by folks within the foreign policy establishment, democracy means overthrowing governments.
00:30:44.000So, you know, we had Woodrow Wilson in the 1910s as sort of the godfather of all this.
00:30:50.000This is why the foreign policy establishment media mouthpieces are clinging to Woodrow Wilson, even as the left tries to cancel him.
00:30:57.000David Frum, who role-played the role of Donald Trump in the part, counterparting John Podesta's role-playing Joe Biden in the Transition Integrity Project.
00:31:10.000David Fromm was George Bush's speechwriter, and he now is basically the sort of CIA's mouthpiece over at the Atlantic for all of their machinations over there.
00:31:21.000And David Fromm role-played again Trump to see ways that Trump would be able to stave off a domestic color revolution so that that could be steel manned by John Podesta.
00:31:32.000But David Frum wrote a piece actually just a month and a half ago in the Atlantic calling for a crackdown on the progressive left's attempt to cancel Woodrow Wilson, you know, because there's a lot of allegations, as the leftists want to do, about him being a racist or all these sort of views that are not fashionable today in those circles.
00:31:53.000And he made the argument: we need to hold on to Woodrow Wilson.
00:31:58.000He is one of our sacred cows because we need him to be able to topple governments around the world.
00:32:03.000He was the godfather of our democracy doctrine.
00:32:06.000The Wilsonian moment, which is this idea that we need to make the world safe for democracy, is a really cute trick that's been used again now for over a century because our foreign policy establishment only leaps into action, only gets its license to use its Department of Dirty Tricks to be able to rig media and rig elections and exert all this soft power influence under two conditions.
00:32:50.000Their own people lack a robust media ecosystem.
00:32:53.000Their own people lack free and fair elections.
00:32:55.000So that gives us, the CIA, the State Department, the Pentagon, the unfettered, blank check license to go in and give those people those freedoms by toppling that government and then giving it back to them, the people.
00:33:08.000That's sort of the predicate, which means no matter what a country's doing, you can always argue that some dissident group is being oppressed.
00:33:15.000And when they can't get that license immediately, what the CIA and State Department will do is they will fund those dissident groups, and then they will be the ones to report on the state crackdown on them.
00:33:26.000And then that will give rise to the democracy predicate to overthrow the government.
00:33:31.000So once you have this democracy predicate in hand, this allows the hundreds of millions of dollars of state funding, plus all of the latent sleeper cell NGOs in waiting, to automatically descend on this problem that's required.
00:33:49.000This is the whole of society effort that's a part of our foreign policy operations.
00:33:54.000And we saw that even here in the 2020 election domestic color evolution simulator.
00:34:00.000You see, there's four wings of the main NGO that the CIA works through, which is called the National Endowment for Democracy.
00:34:07.000So once again, this is the Washington Post, by the way, who in the 1990s wrote that the NED, the National Endowment for Democracy, is a CIA cutout.
00:34:16.000And they reported that it was created to do overtly what the CIA used to do covertly and would work as a CIA liaison.
00:34:23.000So again, using that word democracy, National Endowment for Democracy, which means national big pool of funds for overthrowing governments.
00:34:31.000Now, they have four wings of the NED, and they were highly active, by the way, in 2020 in this TIP scenario.
00:34:38.000And those four wings are something called the NDI, the National Democratic Institute, which is the CIA wing of the Democrats.
00:34:44.000Hunter Biden, by the way, was on the chairman's advisory board of that.
00:34:48.000IRI, the International Republican Institute, which is the GOP side of the CIA, and that, you know, right next to Hydra Biden at Purismo is Cover Black.
00:34:57.000Anyway, the Chamber of Commerce and the AFL-CIO, or two of the other branches, the NED, they're the ones who agreed to pull off the to stand down the protest for 2020.