The Charlie Kirk Show - The 2nd Amendment and ICE

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00:01:09.000 All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:11.000 It is January 27th, 2026.

00:01:13.000 We are here in the Phoenix studio.

00:01:15.000 Myself, Andrew Colvett.

00:01:17.000 Blake, we are in Phoenix today.

00:01:19.000 Welcome, welcome.

00:01:20.000 Lots to get to.

00:01:21.000 The big news of the day is this Bovino story.

00:01:24.000 We got to get into it.

00:01:25.000 So, Blake, why don't you set up the backdrop?

00:01:28.000 For this, and then we'll get into what we know.

00:01:30.000 We've been calling people trying to get the inside scoop.

00:01:33.000 So, Bavino is the he's kind of been the point man for a lot of the drama that's been unfolding with ice in Minnesota.

00:01:41.000 It's almost worth reminding people the full arc of how we got here, which is last fall.

00:01:46.000 Well, okay, the full arc of how we got here.

00:01:49.000 How far back do we want to go?

00:01:51.000 1964.

00:01:52.000 During the last glacial maximum, the glacier has created a bunch of lakes in Minnesota, thus making it a pleasant place for people to live.

00:01:58.000 And so a bunch, and it resembled Finland and Sweden.

00:02:01.000 And so a bunch of Finns and Swedes moved to Minnesota and they made a great state and it was very pleasant, but it was kind of progressive.

00:02:08.000 It was a little left wing and they have a do gooder impulse to them.

00:02:12.000 And a bunch of Somalis moved there.

00:02:13.000 A lot of people moved there, including, yes, many Somalis. 1.00

00:02:16.000 They built a big welfare state that has started to go a little bit awry, much like the one in Sweden. 0.99

00:02:22.000 And so we had, it was not really a coincidence that George Floyd unfolded in Minneapolis.

00:02:27.000 That would not have unfolded the way it did if it had happened in Atlanta, in Texas, in other states.

00:02:34.000 It kind of had to happen in Minnesota.

00:02:36.000 And since then, we've been repeatedly going back there.

00:02:39.000 So that's the whole setup.

00:02:41.000 Anyway, this past fall, we had that drama with people notice the Somali fraud stuff, which has been going on for years and, in fact, been getting prosecuted and covered for years.

00:02:49.000 You were early on this, by the way.

00:02:50.000 Yeah, but, and yet we weren't like, Feeding our future was going on in 21 and 22.

00:02:55.000 And then you remember when we had Cremu on and he said, Yeah, all these, there's a giant autism scam going on in Minnesota, all this fraud.

00:03:02.000 And then lo and behold, that was blown up.

00:03:04.000 So we had, you know, Chris Ruffo was covering it.

00:03:07.000 And then, of course, Nick Shirley was covering it as well.

00:03:10.000 Just the realization, oh, that caused this surge.

00:03:13.000 Huge, huge surge of attention on it of what fraud is going on.

00:03:16.000 And so then ICE, which has been pursuing its immigration activities, they sort of seized on this, oh, well, let's do a surge in Minnesota.

00:03:24.000 It's a good symbol of how serious we are.

00:03:26.000 On finding fraudsters, finding criminals, and deporting them.

00:03:29.000 And so we have the surge there.

00:03:31.000 And Bovino, as you said, is he's kind of the on the ground symbolic leader of the surge.

00:03:36.000 He's almost like the mascot of Border Patrol, which is distinct from ICE, which is an important distinction.

00:03:43.000 So, you know, typically Bovino would not be up in Minneapolis, right?

00:03:48.000 So he was brought there as a part of the surge to oversee it.

00:03:51.000 He is this kind of folk hero among a lot of the Border Patrol.

00:03:56.000 We've got some images of Greb Bovino.

00:03:58.000 Which is great.

00:03:58.000 He's a total patriot, by the way.

00:04:00.000 Total patriot.

00:04:02.000 But things have gone awry, and there is infighting within some of the ranks of ICE, Border Patrol, even there's differing opinions at the administration.

00:04:12.000 But here's what I can tell you is that everybody's committed to the president's immigration agenda.

00:04:18.000 That's what I have ascertained.

00:04:20.000 I've been calling around, asking my sources up there.

00:04:23.000 Everybody's committed to it.

00:04:24.000 But there is a difference of tactics, of messaging, of presentation.

00:04:29.000 Yeah.

00:04:29.000 And it's just funny how symbolic it is because I believe he's commander of the Border Patrol.

00:04:33.000 And so it is a little funny that he was there.

00:04:35.000 But what he was is he had that bravado of, oh, we're here.

00:04:39.000 We're tough.

00:04:39.000 He's like parading around in public to show that, frankly, that he's not afraid of all the ICE people or the anti ICE protesters, which is a big deal because people have openly fantasized about wanting this guy shot.

00:04:51.000 They've openly fantasized.

00:04:53.000 Someone even put out a hit on him, I believe.

00:04:55.000 Yeah, his family is in hiding.

00:04:57.000 Yes.

00:04:58.000 Just so you're aware.

00:04:59.000 This guy is a very brave man, and he put himself out there for the agenda, but he also, as a result, became symbolic of the difficulties that happened in Minneapolis, which unfortunately we've had two shootings.

00:05:10.000 We've had a lot of chaos in the city, mostly driven by the left, of course.

00:05:14.000 Well, in the new one, Pretty is, I think, where we're getting a lot of this consternation.

00:05:20.000 Because, listen, I will defend ICE.

00:05:24.000 All day long.

00:05:25.000 As a matter of fact, I'm going to continue to because I think they're amazing heroes.

00:05:29.000 But there are some ICE agents and Border Patrol that feel like we need a new approach.

00:05:36.000 We need to hit the reset button in Minneapolis.

00:05:38.000 You see Tom Homan, who's been on this show many times.

00:05:41.000 We love Tom.

00:05:42.000 I think it's a great move.

00:05:43.000 Great mix it up.

00:05:46.000 But Bovino has now.

00:05:48.000 So there was some confusion yesterday.

00:05:50.000 Bovino gets relieved of duty.

00:05:51.000 Did he get fired?

00:05:53.000 Is he transferred?

00:05:54.000 Yeah, transferred.

00:05:55.000 So he's.

00:05:56.000 And then his.

00:05:57.000 Social media was shut down.

00:05:58.000 He was mixing it up on social media with some lawmakers who were overreacting.

00:06:02.000 By the way, again, I basically agree with everything Bovino was saying.

00:06:07.000 He's absolutely right to have our ICE agents back, to have border patrols back.

00:06:12.000 But some of the details, I think, were misplaced.

00:06:16.000 I think some of the initial reaction was based on faulty information about the altercation with Pretty.

00:06:22.000 And so there's movement happening, right?

00:06:26.000 But he's not been fired.

00:06:27.000 And essentially, what happened was Bovino.

00:06:29.000 Was put on ice for a second.

00:06:32.000 President Trump put on ice.

00:06:33.000 Yeah, well, he was.

00:06:34.000 Oh, put on ice.

00:06:35.000 I didn't even mean to do that.

00:06:37.000 President Trump says, This guy's a hero.

00:06:39.000 He's a patriot.

00:06:40.000 He's on the team.

00:06:42.000 We're keeping him on his post. 1.00

00:06:43.000 And so he's on his post, but Homan's coming in. 1.00

00:06:47.000 He's going to shake things up. 0.99

00:06:48.000 Why I like this, and I will tell you, Bovino's an actual operator, right?

00:06:53.000 He's less of the policy wonk guy, less of the architect, but he is an absolute architect.

00:06:59.000 He's a real tough guy.

00:07:00.000 Bovina's a tough guy too, but Tom Homan, absolute field general.

00:07:06.000 He's now in the field meeting with people.

00:07:08.000 And what we've seen, and I think the internet's got this all wrong.

00:07:13.000 A lot of people were saying President Trump blinked.

00:07:15.000 You know, he had this call with Fry, he had a call with Waltz.

00:07:19.000 What they're doing is a huge, huge deal.

00:07:24.000 We are now seeing Minneapolis PD rush in to defend federal law enforcement.

00:07:29.000 That's a big change.

00:07:31.000 That's a positive change after the calls with the president.

00:07:35.000 So we're seeing movement here.

00:07:37.000 We're seeing a little give and take. 0.99

00:07:40.000 I do not see anybody saying we're not going to arrest all the illegals. 0.99

00:07:43.000 Nobody's saying that. 0.70

00:07:46.000 You do see a little bit of a worse first messaging.

00:07:49.000 Now, as long as that's just the messaging, I'm okay with it.

00:07:51.000 And Blake, before we came in to the show today, you were making, I thought, a really amazing point.

00:07:56.000 And sometimes I wish you guys could see all of our.

00:07:58.000 Our pre show discussion.

00:08:00.000 But you were basically saying competence is what matters.

00:08:03.000 It's not even, okay, message how you're going to message, but we need competence and we need to stop being as performative for social media.

00:08:10.000 We just need to get the job done.

00:08:13.000 Expound on that point if you can.

00:08:15.000 Well, so a lot of the drama that's been happening with ICE is, I think it's downstream of things the administration has done to show that they're serious and we want them to be serious.

00:08:24.000 But what I think Bovino became a symbol of is, Like performative stuff, and some of this is stuff I've heard people complain about.

00:08:35.000 Like, for lack of a better term, some stuff they'll do it's almost like it's intended to look a little cruel or callous.

00:08:43.000 And I think it is important to be serious, like dead serious.

00:08:47.000 And it's obviously great when they're saying, Oh, this person we arrested was a rapist, this person we arrested was a criminal.

00:08:52.000 You definitely sent communicate that seriousness, but sometimes it does go a little bit beyond that, and that's what ends up like bothering a lot of people.

00:09:01.000 Uh, now.

00:09:02.000 You can't allow those people to say, oh, so we're going to suspend deportations now.

00:09:07.000 Oh, we're going to pull ice back.

00:09:08.000 Oh, deportations are canceled because this made me feel bad.

00:09:10.000 You don't give in on that point.

00:09:12.000 But you do have to be smart about things.

00:09:15.000 And I think the way President Trump is reacting to this is telling because I think some people really wanted to do a bigger pullback.

00:09:23.000 I think some people probably wanted Greg Bavino to just be fired and cast aside, say this whole thing was bad.

00:09:29.000 And I think the president's instincts are no, we can swap out personnel, but if I start firing people or really signaling a pullback, it's going to show.

00:09:37.000 It's going to set off this cascade of weakness.

00:09:39.000 Whereas with sending in Tom Homan, Tom Homan is a longtime professional.

00:09:43.000 He's pretty good at disciplined messaging on this.

00:09:48.000 And I think he can say, we'll have Homan running this operation and he can communicate what our agenda is that we're focused on, that most of the people we're getting are criminals, that he can sort of reset the tone of what's going on without pulling back too decisively.

00:10:02.000 We need to talk about the Second Amendment because this is a thing.

00:10:06.000 It was bubbling up yesterday and we didn't really touch it too much, but we want to hit it.

00:10:11.000 Harder today.

00:10:12.000 It's been going back and forth.

00:10:14.000 There's been.

00:10:15.000 We're sort of seeing a reversal of form typically because.

00:10:20.000 For years, it was you'd have the right would sometimes bring guns to protests, and obviously there was a lot of hysterics, and the left is pushing hard for gun control.

00:10:27.000 It's been a little different in Minnesota because some of these Antifa people, or just some of the anti ICE people in general, have been armed.

00:10:35.000 And of course, Alex Pretty was armed as well, and that seems to have unfortunately caused his death.

00:10:41.000 And so there's been a few lines that have been used.

00:10:45.000 One of them was from FBI Director Kash Patel.

00:10:48.000 He said this on Sunday.

00:10:49.000 We'll use that as a setup.

00:10:50.000 Let's play clip 281.

00:10:52.000 As Christy said, you cannot bring a firearm loaded with multiple magazines to any sort of protest that you want.

00:10:59.000 It's that simple.

00:11:00.000 You don't have that right to break the law and incite violence.

00:11:04.000 And similarly, DHS Secretary Christy Nome, she also said on Saturday, I don't know of any peaceful protester who shows up with a gun and ammunition rather than a sign.

00:11:16.000 And there was some context to that, but she was basically, you know, that's what gets clipped. 0.98

00:11:22.000 And we've seen that a few different times from a few different people.

00:11:24.000 And First of all, we have to warn everyone that no, you actually do have the right to bring a gun to a protest.

00:11:32.000 Many conservatives have done that.

00:11:33.000 And it would be a huge mistake if we suddenly reversed course on that because the left would be overjoyed to team up with us to say, oh, you actually can't bring guns to protests.

00:11:43.000 And then we would permanently forfeit a Second Amendment right over a temporary issue.

00:11:50.000 But we do have to make sure our messaging on this is good, it is correct.

00:11:55.000 And what some people have emailed us in, some people have commented, they've said, oh, well, you know, you're, for example, they've said you're legally required to tell an officer if you're armed or all of that.

00:12:07.000 You're actually not.

00:12:07.000 I looked this up.

00:12:08.000 In Minnesota, you're required to tell an officer if they ask.

00:12:11.000 And that is the most common law in most of the U.S. is if a police officer asks whether you have a weapon, you have to tell them.

00:12:17.000 But only in a few are you affirmatively required to just disclose this information if interacting with an officer.

00:12:24.000 But what our messaging should instead, I think, need to be is this is basically actually about.

00:12:30.000 Gun safety, like responsible gun ownership.

00:12:33.000 And if you take a firearms class, they're basically going to tell you you can't have ego while carrying a gun.

00:12:40.000 This is a dangerous item and you have to use it responsibly.

00:12:45.000 You are carrying something that if you screw up, it can get you killed, it can get other people killed.

00:12:49.000 And that's really the tragedy of what happened over the weekend in this ice shooting he was getting in, he'd gone to a protest and then not only that, ended up in a situation where.

00:13:03.000 Bad stuff could happen.

00:13:05.000 And if you're carrying a gun around a bunch of officers while people are blowing whistles and people are getting shoved, people are getting dragged around, everyone's getting screamed at, the officers themselves are worried someone is going to pull a gun and attack them, and you're carrying a gun and approaching them, it has to enter your thought.

00:13:24.000 There are a lot of ways that this could go wrong.

00:13:27.000 Yeah, and I just want to make one thing clear.

00:13:29.000 I completely agree with every point you just made.

00:13:32.000 Pretty was not at a protest.

00:13:34.000 There was no protest when he was shot.

00:13:37.000 The protest arrived after he was shot.

00:13:40.000 He was involved in an organized, direct action to impede federal law enforcement.

00:13:45.000 So let's just get that very, very clear.

00:13:47.000 Do I think this was a good shooting?

00:13:49.000 Candidly, probably not.

00:13:52.000 But to Blake's point, when you take a firearm into public, you are taking a responsibility.

00:13:58.000 I made this point yesterday.

00:13:59.000 This is why if you have a firearm in your car and you get pulled over, You turn the car off, you take the keys, you put them on the dash, hands it 10 and 2 where they can see them.

00:14:09.000 The officer approaches your window and you say, Officer, I have a firearm in this vehicle.

00:14:14.000 And the officer goes, Instantly knows he's working with a responsible individual.

00:14:18.000 Okay.

00:14:19.000 You don't do this because you're legally required to do this. 0.99

00:14:22.000 You do this because you're not a moron and you don't want to die and you don't want anyone else to die. 0.98

00:14:26.000 And you don't want the cop freaking out. 0.98

00:14:28.000 People have to understand something.

00:14:30.000 Law enforcement are involved in very risky operations.

00:14:34.000 They are pulling over and abduct or apprehending traffickers, drug traffickers, cartel members.

00:14:41.000 Some of these are literally convicted of homicide.

00:14:45.000 These are high risk, high tension situations. 0.99

00:14:49.000 And then they got all these yahoos going around them with bells and blowing whistles, shouting profanity, spitting at them, throwing ice blocks at them. 1.00

00:14:59.000 And they're supposed to do their job. 1.00

00:15:01.000 As if they're cool, calm, and collected, cool as a cucumber, you are expecting too much.

00:15:06.000 So when you go there and you nitpick about the way that they do things, listen, I got news for you.

00:15:12.000 You put yourself into a position where you have to go arrest bad guys and see how well you perform under fire.

00:15:18.000 Okay?

00:15:19.000 When the tension is high, bad things happen. 0.98

00:15:22.000 The dumbest thing you can then do is be like Pretty and go into that situation, make it even more difficult. 0.97

00:15:28.000 Throw up this image of Kyle Rittenhouse. 0.99

00:15:31.000 These are the comparisons that are happening.

00:15:32.000 They're saying Kyle Rittenhouse was carrying in public.

00:15:35.000 There is this image of him approaching law enforcement, hands up.

00:15:39.000 Do you see that?

00:15:40.000 He's approaching law enforcement.

00:15:41.000 He's putting his hands where the police officers can see them, saying, I'm not a threat to you.

00:15:47.000 Officers, I need your help.

00:15:49.000 I'm not a threat because he was coming in respect because he was not their enemy.

00:15:54.000 Pretty, unfortunately, I wish he was alive today, but he unfortunately was coming at law enforcement and resisting them, trying to impede them, signaling that he was their enemy, that he was against their actions.

00:16:07.000 And bad things happen, okay?

00:16:10.000 This is very, very simple.

00:16:11.000 When you are a firearm owner and you take that into public, the responsibility is on you to make sure law enforcement knows that you are not a threat to their lives.

00:16:21.000 They want to go home to their families too.

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00:17:46.000 All right, without further ado, we have the great Chip Roy from the state of Texas joining the show.

00:17:50.000 He's out on the road.

00:17:52.000 Chip, thank you so much for coming on, Congressman.

00:17:55.000 Yeah, great to be on with you guys.

00:17:56.000 Really appreciate it.

00:17:57.000 Yeah, thank you so much.

00:17:59.000 So I saw this stat last night.

00:18:01.000 I texted you about it.

00:18:02.000 It's remarkable.

00:18:03.000 And I want you to kind of just like brass tack it for us, for the audience, and help everybody understand what's different about Texas versus Minnesota.

00:18:13.000 Texas accounts for 25% approximately of the deportations under Trump.

00:18:19.000 And I would say about 0% of the drama.

00:18:23.000 Minnesota accounts for 2% of the deportations and currently about 100% of the drama.

00:18:31.000 Explain it like I'm five.

00:18:35.000 Why is there such a huge difference between Minnesota and Texas?

00:18:39.000 Well, it's a great question.

00:18:41.000 I think it goes to the heart of what we're seeing unfold in Minneapolis.

00:18:44.000 And I think the bigger picture that we all need to focus on, which I'll get to in a minute, right?

00:18:49.000 Stay the course, but we'll get there in a second. 0.99

00:18:51.000 To answer your question, the easy answer that the left will throw at us, right, is that, oh, well, you've got so many more people here who are here illegally. 1.00

00:18:59.000 Well, that's true.

00:19:00.000 But if you look at the data more closely, what you'll find is that even as a percentage of the total illegal population, Texas is still doing a far better job.

00:19:08.000 And the reason why is because, as a general rule, not perfectly, but as a general rule, our state leadership, our state law enforcement, and a good number of our local law enforcement are working in cooperation with ICE in what we'd call 287G agreements.

00:19:23.000 Or generally, so that we're working to say, hey, if we've got somebody locked up or we've got somebody who we suspect is here legally or under orders of removal by a judge, then we're going to work with ICE, put them in the process and get them out.

00:19:35.000 Minnesota, Minneapolis, Governor Waltz, the mayor of Minneapolis, and the people in the leadership there, they're resisting that.

00:19:41.000 They're not working with ICE.

00:19:43.000 And by the way, they're trying to say they are.

00:19:45.000 And they're saying, oh, well, anytime we've got somebody in our prison, we hand them over.

00:19:48.000 Well, that's true for a very small subset of the people who have served their sentences in prison.

00:19:53.000 But not the vast number of people who have been arrested or who are in local jails.

00:19:57.000 So that's the difference.

00:19:59.000 Texas can do better, to be clear.

00:20:01.000 We should be even more aggressive.

00:20:03.000 There are some jurisdictions who are not doing all they can do, but we're doing a lot better.

00:20:07.000 And you don't see the drama, to use your words.

00:20:09.000 Yeah, this is a key point that you just made, Congressman, about this Tim Waltz statement.

00:20:14.000 He's trying.

00:20:15.000 So President Trump, Tim Waltz have a call yesterday.

00:20:17.000 They both say it was productive.

00:20:19.000 I will say we are now seeing Minneapolis Police Department actually.

00:20:24.000 Work to block the police.

00:20:26.000 They really were pulling the police back.

00:20:27.000 Well, they were exactly.

00:20:28.000 So it's actually an admission of guilt that they were not protecting federal law enforcement.

00:20:34.000 But at least they seem to be doing that right now.

00:20:36.000 To be clear, I think there should be consequences for the previous inaction.

00:20:40.000 So, Tim Waltz says that he coordinates.

00:20:43.000 But as you made an important note there, that's only a small subset.

00:20:47.000 So, Bill Malusion comes in.

00:20:49.000 He says, This is very misleading from Waltz.

00:20:51.000 Yes, his prisons honor ICE detainers by transferring convicted criminal aliens.

00:20:57.000 So, not those with a detention request or those under investigation, but after they serve their sentence.

00:21:05.000 But his city and county jails do not.

00:21:08.000 I'm told that that is by far the lion's share, maybe 80%.

00:21:12.000 Of the criminal population, criminal legal population in the state of Minnesota. 0.95

00:21:16.000 And that doesn't even get to the fact of unraveling some of the Somali fraud. 0.92

00:21:21.000 So explain that again in a Texas context, because you guys have crappy cities in Texas too. 0.99

00:21:28.000 No offense.

00:21:28.000 You got Austin, you got Houston, Dallas.

00:21:31.000 I can only imagine those cities are not as cooperative as they should be.

00:21:35.000 What powers does Governor Abbott, for example, have that Governor Tim Waltz doesn't?

00:21:41.000 One final point here, Congressman.

00:21:43.000 In Florida in 2022, They passed a law that gives Governor DeSantis complete authority to mandate cooperation with ICE.

00:21:50.000 Is that the way it is in Texas?

00:21:52.000 Yeah, well, the state legislature, they enacted reforms, I think, in the last two legislative sessions, particularly in the last one, that gives far greater authority for the state government to be able to withhold funds and to be able to put pressure on the local jurisdictions if they refuse to follow the law and if they are sanctuary cities, right?

00:22:11.000 And so that is an important and key element that the state is taking into its leadership.

00:22:16.000 And something I think we need to go even further with, by the way.

00:22:19.000 I think a separate issue, not involving the state.

00:22:21.000 I totally agree. 0.97

00:22:22.000 Dealing with all of the criminals being let out on the streets by Soros funded DAs, the wide open borders, the ridiculousness of the Islamification of Texas, Epic City. 0.97

00:22:32.000 We could have another podcast all about those things, but we've got to be more aggressive to say that in the state of Texas, we enforce the law, that the state's capital should not be a lawless area that's a sanctuary city, nor should Dallas, nor should Houston. 0.99

00:22:45.000 So we've done a lot of that.

00:22:46.000 We could probably go even further.

00:22:48.000 But I think we're in a place where we're in a better posture.

00:22:51.000 Now, if I'm being real and objective, I would tell you that when I talk to boots on the ground, people who are experts on this, we are not doing as well as we could do to have full throated engagement with our 287 G agreements, whether they're in big cities or even some of our smaller towns and counties.

00:23:07.000 We need to be more active, more aggressive to make sure that that is happening so that we can remove people in the state of Texas.

00:23:13.000 So, better in Texas, much better than Minnesota, but that's not the bar, right?

00:23:18.000 The bar should be.

00:23:19.000 Follow the law.

00:23:19.000 And there are one and a half million people right now under orders of removal by judges.

00:23:24.000 And people forget that.

00:23:25.000 They go, oh, you're just rounding people up.

00:23:27.000 Hold on.

00:23:28.000 There are dangerous criminals that, yes, we're rounding up, but 1.5 million people are under an order of removal by a judge.

00:23:35.000 We should go exercise that.

00:23:37.000 And that is what ICE is doing.

00:23:38.000 One final point sorry for the filibuster.

00:23:40.000 Tom Homan is doing an excellent job.

00:23:43.000 I trust Tom, former head of ICE, good friend.

00:23:46.000 The president did a great thing by putting him on the ground and saying, Tom, go get this done the right way.

00:23:51.000 I think he will do it the right way.

00:23:53.000 So, Congressman, I agree.

00:23:54.000 I think Tom's a national treasure, and we need to wrap him in bubble wrap and keep him safe up there.

00:24:00.000 I will just say, though, I mean, talking to people in the administration, there's a big divide right now, both on messaging and tactics, right?

00:24:08.000 You see this even Sean Hannity.

00:24:09.000 I just was before we got on with you.

00:24:11.000 I saw this clip from him saying we don't need to be rounding people up at Home Depots.

00:24:15.000 In the admin, there is two lines of thought the worst first or get them all, right?

00:24:22.000 You know, so.

00:24:24.000 What is your take on that?

00:24:25.000 How do you think we should proceed from a messaging standpoint?

00:24:28.000 I get that there is a flare up here, but if we don't squash it right now, come the summer months, it's going to be worse in Portland and Chicago, New York and Los Angeles.

00:24:38.000 I think we need to move in with heavy force, but I'm open to being wrong.

00:24:42.000 What is your take on that?

00:24:43.000 Well, let me answer that question after I make an observation first at a higher level.

00:24:49.000 We can't win a war that we do not acknowledge exists.

00:24:53.000 Yeah.

00:24:54.000 This is not an immigration issue like it was for our parents' generation or anything else in the 80s or even 20 years ago in the 2000s.

00:25:01.000 This is not some people in Mexico who want to come over and do some work and head back to Mexico peaceably. 0.77

00:25:08.000 This is an organized effort to destroy America.

00:25:12.000 Now, I want that to sit out there for a second because, and I don't do this very often.

00:25:17.000 I don't like the people who play the I had this conversation with Charlie and I did this thing with Charlie and whatever.

00:25:22.000 And I get it.

00:25:23.000 And Charlie spoke to so many people and affected so many people.

00:25:26.000 But it is true. 0.97

00:25:27.000 And on my phone, which I've never shared the screenshots, the last substantive conversation I had with Charlie was about the Islamification of the West, the Islamification of Texas, the Islamification of America, and why that is the most important singular issue and our side doesn't get it.

00:25:45.000 So now take that issue, put it here.

00:25:48.000 Now take the fact that you've got Marxists who want to take our guns away.

00:25:51.000 They want to take our, frankly, freedom of religion away.

00:25:54.000 You saw what they did in St. Paul.

00:25:55.000 They don't care.

00:25:57.000 You know, they want to totally undermine our Western civilization.

00:26:01.000 You've got that going on.

00:26:02.000 You've got all of the funding and all of the dollars flowing from foreign sources, George Soros, Arabella, that you got the Ren Collective putting criminals on the streets.

00:26:11.000 There's all these things.

00:26:11.000 If you did a big whiteboard, you can map it all out.

00:26:14.000 It's organized to undermine our way of life. 0.99

00:26:18.000 If you like Christmas, if you like safety and security, if you like English as a national language, if you like our core culture and are welcoming immigrants to assimilate, but you don't want to have immigrants come here to change our country, if you don't want to be Islamified, if you don't want to have your guns taken away, okay, if you don't want to have censorship about anything you think or say, if you want to live in a state like Europe, that's what's coming. 0.70

00:26:41.000 Now, having said all that, if you don't recognize that's the war, then you go back to these tired old phrases, Chamber of Commerce Republicans kick around where they go, oh, well, You know, we just got to make sure we're welcoming and we open the door and we do this. 0.77

00:26:56.000 And guys, this is a totally different battlescape.

00:27:00.000 So, to answer your specific question, I do think there's a little bit of tension going on.

00:27:05.000 There are friends of mine in the administration, and I'm not going to go too far into it because it's their job to go lead on this.

00:27:11.000 But what I'm conveying to them and what I'm conveying publicly is know what time it is in America, lead now, kill this right now before it starts.

00:27:21.000 And you can be like Tom, who is saying, I think you asked a question.

00:27:26.000 Is it get rid of the first or get rid of everybody? 0.92

00:27:28.000 That's my phrasing, not yours. 0.98

00:27:31.000 I would say you can do both.

00:27:33.000 Let's target the worst actors.

00:27:34.000 Yes.

00:27:35.000 Let's go get them.

00:27:36.000 Go zero in on those folks.

00:27:38.000 Let's go zero in on the focus with orders of removal. 1.00

00:27:41.000 But when you find somebody here who's been here illegally for years and they've stolen social security numbers and they've undermined the system and destroyed the rule of law and they've filled up our schools and our jails and birthright citizenship, that all has a cost. 1.00

00:27:52.000 And we've got to manage that and we've got to deal with it. 1.00

00:27:55.000 You can't pick winners and losers.

00:27:56.000 You've got to enforce the law.

00:27:58.000 That's my two cents.

00:27:59.000 Man, amen.

00:28:01.000 I think we could do both.

00:28:02.000 We absolutely can do both.

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00:29:02.000 Your friend Andrew sent you. 1.00

00:29:05.000 I think this is the Islamification of the West, and you hit on it beautifully. 1.00

00:29:10.000 This was one of Charlie's drumbeats in the final months of his life, and we have to stay focused on it. 0.95

00:29:17.000 I know Steve Bannon and the War Room were just in Texas calling out this very issue.

00:29:22.000 I want to know what it's actually like on the ground.

00:29:25.000 Epic City was a huge, huge story, and I think people really don't fully understand or grasp the extent of that.

00:29:33.000 But you see this huge in Minneapolis.

00:29:35.000 I mean, this is what we've all lost our focus on. 1.00

00:29:38.000 This was about Somali fraud, and that's why the surge happened. 1.00

00:29:41.000 That's why this big blow up in Minneapolis is even underway now.

00:29:45.000 Congressman, this is Wall Street Journal opinion this morning.

00:29:50.000 Time for ice to pause in Minneapolis.

00:29:55.000 This is a real opinion section article by the editorial board at the Wall Street Journal.

00:30:02.000 And my reaction to that is the 2015 GOP is apparently alive and well in certain corners of the, I guess, conservative world.

00:30:12.000 I don't even know if I consider that.

00:30:14.000 Blake and I were talking before, and it's like, if you are even on that side of the fence on this, you're basically a liberal to me at this point.

00:30:22.000 I mean, what you said, we've got to get them all out of the camp.

00:30:25.000 You either want people deported or you don't.

00:30:27.000 You either want the rule of law.

00:30:28.000 Every single time you're trying to do it, and your reaction is, oh, we got to stop this.

00:30:33.000 You're just a lib.

00:30:35.000 That's kind of where I'm at.

00:30:36.000 I've seen many stats.

00:30:37.000 I don't know which ones are true, but there's like 40 new mosques a month or something.

00:30:43.000 And it is terrifying because if we lose Texas, and I would say Texas seems to me like it has an anemic conservatism. 0.78

00:30:52.000 It feels anemic.

00:30:53.000 It's not as strong and robust and full throated as you would expect out of Texas.

00:30:57.000 I'm not sure what that is, but it seems like there's a lot of rhinos in the ranks.

00:31:01.000 Seems like there's a lot of turncoats in the ranks. 1.00

00:31:04.000 Explain the truth about the Islamification of Texas. 1.00

00:31:08.000 Epic City, the floor is yours. 1.00

00:31:10.000 Well, I appreciate it.

00:31:11.000 I mean, first of all, yeah, Texas needs to be much more aggressive than we've been.

00:31:14.000 We've not been as conservative a state as we should have been.

00:31:17.000 Our legislature has been a huge problem.

00:31:19.000 It's trending in the right direction, but not fast enough. 1.00

00:31:22.000 We need to be much more aggressive on key issues, including border security, immigration, and the Islamification of Texas. 0.99

00:31:28.000 The Islamification issue is very real. 0.90

00:31:31.000 There are, just to give you some anecdotes, there are women that I talk to in the Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex who tell me that there are now increasingly no go zones in places you wouldn't think. 0.74

00:31:43.000 We're talking areas in and around Richardson and Plano and north of Dallas.

00:31:47.000 We're talking about the Arlington area out there in the, you know, between Fort Worth and Dallas where the Cowboys and the Rangers play, right? 1.00

00:31:54.000 And there are places where there are women who go, I don't feel safe going there because it's predominantly Muslim and the natural sort of things occur. 1.00

00:32:02.000 That makes them uncomfortable. 1.00

00:32:03.000 And so now you've got Epic City, which has garnered national attention this, you know, multi hundred acre compound now rebranding as quote the Meadows.

00:32:11.000 You've got an Islamic Center in Houston, which is a massive facility being built.

00:32:14.000 But people don't talk about the other things.

00:32:16.000 Right now, north of Austin, I'm pointing because I'm just south of Austin now.

00:32:20.000 On the north side of Austin, there's a new facility going in.

00:32:22.000 At the University of Texas, there is a significant building getting built to be an Islamic Center on campus and west campus at the University of Texas.

00:32:30.000 There are 300 mosques.

00:32:32.000 In Texas, 300 mosques in Texas, and there's more mosques getting built in Texas every single day than any other state in the union.

00:32:39.000 I don't know the exact number to answer your question, but it's a lot more in Texas than any other state.

00:32:45.000 This is a product of business driven immigration policy.

00:32:51.000 So let's go back to the Wall Street Journal.

00:32:53.000 I've got friends in the Wall Street Journal that I work with on healthcare and other issues that we're in agreement on.

00:32:58.000 But on the issue of immigration, they have been wrong over and over and over again alongside the Chamber of Commerce, promoting H 1B visas, promoting wide open borders, promoting we need to import talent instead of standing for what we need to do to make and put America first.

00:33:16.000 The president is right.

00:33:17.000 That is at the core of his brand.

00:33:18.000 The administration needs to stay the course, push back on these business interests, and say, look, let's make sure we've got Americans trained to do the job. 1.00

00:33:25.000 We don't need all these H 1Bs that are frankly fronts for pumping people into our country or even leaving them overseas while they're able to work here in houses that aren't even filled. 0.99

00:33:35.000 And by the way, birthright citizenship, we need to fix it. 1.00

00:33:38.000 President Wright is right on this.

00:33:40.000 We need to codify it. 1.00

00:33:41.000 We need to stop this cottage industry where the Chinese have maybe allegedly up to a million people living in China who have American citizenship. 1.00

00:33:49.000 I don't know if that's the right number or not.

00:33:50.000 I don't like to peddle random numbers, but that's been pushed out there and alleged.

00:33:54.000 So I've got my staff looking to find how many is it?

00:33:57.000 It's absurd what we've done to sovereignty.

00:33:59.000 It's absurd what we've done to our country.

00:34:01.000 You either believe in American sovereignty or you don't.

00:34:04.000 One final point.

00:34:05.000 There are 51 million foreign born people in the United States.

00:34:09.000 That's 16.5% or so of the population.

00:34:11.000 That's the highest percentage we've had in our history.

00:34:14.000 That is greater than it was in 1920 after the massive immigration. 1.00

00:34:17.000 And we shut down for 40 years, four decades, maybe even five. 0.68

00:34:22.000 That's why I introduced legislation to pause immigration. 1.00

00:34:25.000 We need to have a real conversation about this.

00:34:26.000 But my biggest message is to the administration stay the course.

00:34:30.000 Keep doing it.

00:34:31.000 Stand up for America and put America first.

00:34:33.000 Man, amen.

00:34:34.000 Congressman, I got zero notes. 0.94

00:34:38.000 I am absolutely in favor of an immigration moratorium. 0.89

00:34:41.000 You can make it a net zero. 0.96

00:34:42.000 I mean, there are about 200,000 or 300,000 people that leave the country every year.

00:34:45.000 If you want to replace them with good people, I'm open minded to that. 0.99

00:34:49.000 But a net zero immigration moratorium or just shut it all the way off, I'd be good with that too. 1.00

00:34:54.000 I mean, I was at Costco this weekend. 1.00

00:34:57.000 I had to, I got new tires on my car.

00:34:59.000 Good deal, right?

00:35:00.000 So I go there and I'm wandering around.

00:35:02.000 It did not feel like America to me.

00:35:04.000 It didn't, it just didn't.

00:35:06.000 It was, I mean, I hate to say it.

00:35:08.000 And that's not, that's not, guys.

00:35:10.000 That's, look, if I walk into Bucky's off this I 35 in Texas, right?

00:35:15.000 A quintessential Texas place or Costco, like you say, it does not feel like America.

00:35:19.000 Again, I want to be very clear here. 0.51

00:35:21.000 We're talking about people are welcome to come here, but you have to assimilate, right?

00:35:26.000 And that's not what's happening here. 0.91

00:35:28.000 People are coming here trying to replace America, trying to push Islamification on America, waving foreign countries' flags. 0.64

00:35:35.000 That is not the way this works. 0.99

00:35:36.000 They need to be removed.

00:35:37.000 Well, and I mean, there are whole neighborhoods.

00:35:39.000 I was just talking to another friend in Texas, Congressman, and they said they had to move out of their Dallas suburb because they felt uncomfortable there. 0.99

00:35:47.000 And it was basically been completely replaced by Indian immigrants in this instance. 0.85

00:35:51.000 And listen, the H 1B scam, I know the administration, that is a statute. 1.00

00:35:55.000 You guys need to codify any changes in the H 1B program, but they're slow walking it.

00:36:01.000 I can tell you that.

00:36:01.000 I mean, now you're looking, if you're trying to get H 1Bs, I mean, those things are delayed like a year and a half right now, two years.

00:36:07.000 So I hope they keep pushing those things, kicking the can, but there's only so much they can do, right?

00:36:11.000 You got to follow the law at some point.

00:36:12.000 So I hope that law changes.

00:36:14.000 Last minute here, Congressman, Chuck Schumer said he's going to, you know, he's threatening another government shutdown over DHS funding.

00:36:21.000 What can you tell us from the House perspective?

00:36:23.000 And do you think we're going to see a shutdown?

00:36:25.000 Well, they're certainly rattling about a shutdown.

00:36:27.000 I don't think the administration wants a shutdown.

00:36:29.000 Let's remember that if they don't fund Homeland Security, that means they're not going to fund the Department of War.

00:36:35.000 They're not going to fund Labor H. They're not going to fund transportation. 0.93

00:36:38.000 That leaves the FAA unfunded.

00:36:40.000 That leaves the TSA unfunded, right?

00:36:43.000 So there are going to be a lot of issues.

00:36:44.000 I think we should call their bluff.

00:36:46.000 We worked a deal.

00:36:47.000 By the way, it was a bill that I didn't love, but I voted for Homeland Security so I could stand with ICE and Border Patrol, even though there were things in it I didn't like, like CISA and other stuff.

00:36:54.000 But bottom line is the Freedom Caucus is sending a letter today.

00:36:57.000 It'll go out in the next hour or two that is basically saying, guys, no, you're not going to send us a bill.

00:37:02.000 You're not splitting off Homeland Security.

00:37:04.000 We support the president.

00:37:05.000 We support Tom Homan.

00:37:07.000 We should stay the course.

00:37:08.000 We trust them to get it done right.

00:37:10.000 But at the end of the day, if you want to fix it, then we're going to, if you're going to block it, we're going to fix it by finding a way to fund things using reconciliation like we did last summer or, you know, finding a way to stop the fake filibuster, the six vote threshold, force a talking filibuster.

00:37:24.000 I love it.

00:37:24.000 That's our position, but we'll have to fight for it.

00:37:27.000 Hold the line, Congressman.

00:37:28.000 Don't let them blink.

00:37:29.000 We've got your back.

00:37:30.000 We'll talk to you soon.

00:37:31.000 Thanks, guys.

00:37:32.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - January 27, 2026

The 2nd Amendment and ICE

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