The Charlie Kirk Show - The 3 Types of Churches—LIVE from Mercy Culture Church in Fort Worth, Texas

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:00:01.000 My conversation with Rob McCoy and then the wonderful pastors at Mercy Culture Church, where we take questions and it gets a little bit heated, not between the panelists, but it's some hot takes.

00:00:11.000 And it's a lot of fun on this Sunday episode of the Charlie Kirk Show at Mercy Culture Church in Fort Worth, Texas.

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00:01:00.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:01:01.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

00:01:04.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:01:07.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:01:10.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:01:11.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:01:12.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:01:21.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:01:29.000 That's why we are here.

00:01:33.000 Thank you, everybody.

00:01:36.000 It's a miracle I'm here, actually.

00:01:37.000 I just had a terrible back attack a couple of days ago.

00:01:40.000 For those of you that have had back pain in your life, you know what I'm talking about.

00:01:43.000 So praise God, it turned around in a couple of days.

00:01:46.000 So thank you guys.

00:01:47.000 What a great church.

00:01:49.000 I always say you can tell a lot about a church by how they worship, and you guys do it right.

00:01:53.000 So praise God.

00:01:54.000 It's an amazing honor to be here.

00:01:56.000 So, well, I want to say thank you.

00:01:58.000 I had the privilege of meeting your pastor, Pastor Landon, when I was in D.C. on the mall with Sean Foyt.

00:02:04.000 And he came up to me and I'm looking at this guy and I'm thinking, we just get out of high school.

00:02:09.000 What's the deal?

00:02:12.000 And then to see his passion and I had heard from Sean what he's accomplishing here in Fort Worth and then to come and meet you all.

00:02:18.000 A pastor is as strong as his congregation and they're accomplishing what they do because of what you do.

00:02:23.000 And I want to say thank you to all of you.

00:02:25.000 And that's why I came all the way out from California.

00:02:27.000 I didn't come for anything other than to meet you because what you're doing in Fort Worth is absolutely epic.

00:02:34.000 So clap for yourselves.

00:02:34.000 God bless you guys.

00:02:41.000 So Charlie and I met serendipitously a couple years ago at a conservative radio thing.

00:02:47.000 And my son was telling me, Dad, you got to listen to this guy.

00:02:50.000 I wasn't on social media.

00:02:51.000 I don't do stuff like that.

00:02:52.000 And how our lives intertwined.

00:02:54.000 I didn't think a guy like him existed.

00:02:56.000 A young man awakening the young in our nation to the concept of liberty that's not man's idea, but God's idea.

00:03:04.000 And I'm watching him do this.

00:03:06.000 And then the two of us became friends.

00:03:08.000 And I have the privilege.

00:03:09.000 He calls me his pastor, although he's on the road 330 days a year.

00:03:12.000 I don't know how that works.

00:03:13.000 But anyways, but it's been an absolute joy.

00:03:16.000 And I wanted to say that sitting up here with Charlie, watching what God is doing in and through Turning Point, he started when he was 18 years old.

00:03:24.000 He took a gap year and didn't go to college.

00:03:28.000 He was seeking an appointment to West Point.

00:03:31.000 And he just stepped into the middle of it.

00:03:33.000 It's now 10 years in the process.

00:03:34.000 And what God has done, the first church he ever spoke at was ours.

00:03:38.000 And I'm like, Charlie, why aren't you speaking to other churches?

00:03:40.000 And he was struggling over it.

00:03:42.000 And I just said, I think you're one of the best preachers in America.

00:03:45.000 Well, that was the wrong thing to do because the minute he spoke in our church and I told people about it, he can't come back now because he's been in churches all across the country.

00:03:52.000 And God is doing an amazing work.

00:03:54.000 And again, please welcome my dear brother and friend, Charlie Kirk, again.

00:03:58.000 Thank you.

00:04:01.000 So I asked Rob to come up here just so we could have a kind of back and forth.

00:04:06.000 Rob is the type of pastor we need more of.

00:04:09.000 And, you know, when I started to speak at churches, you have to understand I was raised Presbyterian.

00:04:15.000 So you would be kicked out of the church for worshiping the way you guys were doing.

00:04:18.000 Whatever that is, not going to happen in mainline Presbyterianism.

00:04:23.000 The chosen frozen.

00:04:25.000 That's right.

00:04:25.000 Their idea, their idea of getting really excited about worship was like a finger, maybe, if you really start to feel it.

00:04:34.000 And so I had a very specific idea in my head of what I thought the church would do and it's kind of its role.

00:04:43.000 So then my family left the Presbyterian church.

00:04:46.000 We went to an evangelical church in the suburbs of Chicago.

00:04:49.000 Great Bible-believing church.

00:04:51.000 I gave my life to the Lord when I was in fifth grade.

00:04:53.000 But it was beat into me from a young age.

00:04:55.000 You do not talk about politics, morals, none of that stuff from the church, which never really made a lot of sense to me, but it became really kind of just part of church dogma, if you will.

00:05:07.000 And I thought that any church that would do this was blurring the lines and they weren't being scriptural or biblical.

00:05:12.000 And so I went, I met Rob at this event, and I couldn't believe someone like him existed.

00:05:17.000 A pastor that was bold and was a mayor and also a pastor and was speaking out on these issues and these topics.

00:05:23.000 So when I spoke at Rob's church, I was blown away that a church like that actually existed.

00:05:27.000 And then, of course, the virus happened and our awful reaction to it, which were the lockdowns, obviously the worst mistake made in modern American history, which was locking down the healthy to try to save us from the sick.

00:05:40.000 The dumbest thing we've done.

00:05:42.000 And the only places that were open were churches like this that were boldly and courageously understanding that the church should never close.

00:05:56.000 And so I got a really good picture of kind of where the American church was at.

00:06:02.000 I met a lot of pastors in every corner of the country.

00:06:04.000 Some that Rob knew, but a lot that Rob did not know.

00:06:07.000 And so kind of started in that network.

00:06:09.000 And almost every pastor had a couple things in common, that they were boldly staying open against government mandates.

00:06:15.000 They were paying a price for their faith, that they were actually being rewarded in tithes and offerings and membership when they remained open.

00:06:23.000 But also, almost every single one of those pastors were saying the following: Charlie, I'm doing this, but I'm the only one.

00:06:30.000 Like, I'm the only one in America that's this courageous.

00:06:34.000 And I don't think they meant it to be kind of braggadocious.

00:06:37.000 I actually think they believed it.

00:06:39.000 Now, what they were saying is, I'm the only one that I know of.

00:06:42.000 And after you hear that the 20th or 30th time, you say, you're actually not the only one.

00:06:47.000 Like, I know a pastor in Charlotte, in Bangor, Maine, in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, Phoenix, Arizona, Albuquerque, but you guys don't know each other.

00:06:55.000 And so we, at turning point, we never really had an immediate vision to get involved in kind of the church or the pastor space.

00:07:03.000 I go to college campuses, so you don't have to.

00:07:05.000 That's kind of been my life's work for the last decade.

00:07:07.000 We've got a lot of work left to do, trust me.

00:07:09.000 But I saw this amazing opportunity and Rob helped inspire it.

00:07:14.000 And it made perfect sense, especially when I looked at it.

00:07:16.000 I said, how are we going to save the country?

00:07:19.000 How are we going to defend liberty if we don't get involved, if the church remains completely passive and completely silent?

00:07:26.000 And so we started this project, TPUSA Faith, which has just exploded to churches across the country with some amazing pastors and some amazing programming that's just having such a big impact with weekly programming in Phoenix and all across the country.

00:07:40.000 But even deeper and beyond that, we see this as the most important fight that is in front of us right now, which is not most important fight governmentally and from a public policy standpoint, which is, are the good going to do what is necessary to fight for liberty?

00:07:58.000 And I mean that because for a while the church has had the answers, but they've really refused to do what is necessary to fight evil.

00:08:05.000 It says in the scriptures that if you love God, you must hate evil.

00:08:09.000 I love that verse.

00:08:10.000 It's kind of my daily mission statement.

00:08:12.000 Before I go on the air every single day on my podcast, I say, I love God, so I hate evil.

00:08:16.000 It makes it a lot easier.

00:08:18.000 So you look at this and you ask yourself the question, which is, will the good, the people that have the truth, will we do what is necessary to be able to preserve it for future generations?

00:08:32.000 That is the question in front of us.

00:08:34.000 And the obvious answer is like, yes, of course.

00:08:36.000 I mean, I heard all of your applause.

00:08:38.000 And the answer is increasingly yes.

00:08:41.000 But let's be honest, it's yes to an extent, right?

00:08:44.000 I mean, it's yes until you'll get fired from a job because they want you to take the vaccine, right?

00:08:50.000 And it's yes until.

00:08:52.000 And that's okay, by the way.

00:08:52.000 I'm not accusing.

00:08:53.000 I'm not saying anything wrong with that.

00:08:55.000 You got to put dinner on the table, right?

00:08:57.000 But at some point, the question is, are you going to allow them to hold your entire country and civilization hostage?

00:09:03.000 And the kind of the tension point that we're in right now, which I think to be an amazing opportunity, which is the moment that those of us with the truth, the church, rise up in any considerable fashion, you are going to see evil flee in a way that you have never seen in any person's lifetime in this room.

00:09:24.000 And so this is kind of the call right now.

00:09:28.000 And this church is doing an amazing job.

00:09:31.000 Now, but if we're honest with ourselves, most churches are not.

00:09:35.000 And there's three different types of churches in America.

00:09:38.000 And Rob's heard me talk about this quite often.

00:09:40.000 And I know a lot of you here do not call this your home church.

00:09:44.000 And so you're just here visiting, you saw an advertisement.

00:09:47.000 Well, this is an opportunity for you to go back to your church and try to get your church more like this church.

00:09:52.000 Because if we're honest with ourselves, we need every church to be speaking out and doing these.

00:09:57.000 It's not just going to be one church.

00:09:58.000 It's got to be a movement of churches.

00:10:00.000 And so you look at the three different types of churches.

00:10:05.000 Let's start with the positive, the courageous.

00:10:07.000 You're sitting in one right now.

00:10:09.000 They platform good candidates.

00:10:11.000 They talk about good versus evil.

00:10:13.000 They're willing to actually talk biblically about what's happening in our world.

00:10:18.000 Now, some people will say, Charlie, it's not theological to talk about politics.

00:10:23.000 I say, well, then what do you do with Jeremiah 29, 7?

00:10:26.000 That says you must demand the welfare of the nation that you are in because your welfare is tied to your nation's welfare.

00:10:32.000 That's the Lord speaking in Jeremiah 29, 7.

00:10:35.000 We are commanded to demand the welfare of the country and the nation that we are in.

00:10:40.000 Someone said the other day, they're a wokey, which is what I call them, which is a woke person.

00:10:45.000 It's a nice word for them.

00:10:46.000 I have other words, but I won't use them.

00:10:50.000 And they said, Charlie, nowhere in the Bible does anyone do anything politically.

00:10:56.000 It's quite a statement.

00:10:58.000 You know, it must be part of that new phenomenon where they only read like three verses in the New Testament and they consider that to be the Bible, right?

00:11:06.000 There's a lot in there.

00:11:07.000 Like, what do you have to do with Esther, Mordecai, Nehemiah, Jeremiah, and Daniel, just to name a few of people that were God's chosen people trying to influence secular government for God's purpose?

00:11:17.000 All throughout the scriptures, God's people are trying to influence secular government for God's purpose.

00:11:22.000 In fact, that's where we get the idea of counselor to the king, which is something that has been lost on the American church.

00:11:28.000 The first is the courageous church.

00:11:29.000 The second is the cowardly church.

00:11:31.000 Now, believe it or not, the cowardly church is not the worst.

00:11:33.000 We'll get to the worst in a second.

00:11:35.000 The cowardly church is the church of the pastor that walks on eggshells.

00:11:39.000 And you've all heard these excuses before.

00:11:42.000 Well, I don't want to do that because we might lose membership ties or offerings.

00:11:47.000 Oh, really?

00:11:48.000 Okay, so your business model.

00:11:50.000 So you care about budgets, baptisms, and buildings.

00:11:53.000 I care about the truth.

00:11:55.000 But you just, any pastor that does a sermon and they say, so how did the offering go this week?

00:12:02.000 Wrong incentive model.

00:12:03.000 Instead, it's, did I say something that was true?

00:12:05.000 Did I preach the word of God?

00:12:07.000 And then let God take care of the rest.

00:12:09.000 That's been totally lost on American Christianity.

00:12:13.000 And so that's the cowardly church always has an excuse.

00:12:19.000 Always.

00:12:20.000 The other excuse is, well, it's not clear.

00:12:23.000 It's not clear which path is the right way on this issue.

00:12:27.000 And I say, okay, let's just take one issue.

00:12:28.000 Abortion is a great one, but let me take an even better one.

00:12:31.000 Will you tell your congregation what a woman is?

00:12:40.000 And they say, well, it's not very clear.

00:12:43.000 Okay, no, we're not dealing with serious people then, right?

00:12:47.000 God created man, God created woman.

00:12:49.000 Fixed sex and gender is under attack in the West, everywhere.

00:12:52.000 This transgender nonsense from the alphabet mafia is under attack, it's destroying God's creation every day.

00:13:02.000 And by the way, I'll get, if that offended you, good, okay?

00:13:06.000 So it's not clear?

00:13:17.000 Like, okay, maybe it might not, I mean, you might not be ready to do like a whole sermon on economics yet.

00:13:22.000 That's fine.

00:13:22.000 We could do that later.

00:13:23.000 But if you're really telling me that you as a pastor, you're not willing to tell your congregation just man and woman when life begins.

00:13:31.000 And how about another more basic one?

00:13:33.000 Is it not clear that the church is the most essential thing in a civilization?

00:13:36.000 You're not willing to do a sermon on that.

00:13:38.000 Rob here, and so this is something, this is how politics plays an impact on your life.

00:13:43.000 When Rob decided to open his church for Easter of 2020, the governor of California, the public health officials, they came after him criminally.

00:13:52.000 They came after him in every way you could possibly imagine.

00:13:54.000 And he was the only pastor in like a hundred mile radius that was willing to stand up to these tyrants.

00:14:00.000 And that should really, that should tell you something, which is, and he should be applauded for that.

00:14:05.000 That's exactly right.

00:14:16.000 Which is, politics matters a lot.

00:14:18.000 Who your mayor is can determine whether or not you can have Easter Sunday service.

00:14:23.000 It's amazing to think about, right?

00:14:25.000 So I never want to hear politics don't matter again.

00:14:26.000 So the cowardly are this.

00:14:28.000 These are people that mean well.

00:14:30.000 I want us to have a heart for the cowardly, okay?

00:14:32.000 I want us to go find the cowardly pastor.

00:14:35.000 You know who they are.

00:14:36.000 No, seriously, I mean this.

00:14:38.000 Cowards can be fixed.

00:14:39.000 The last category is going to take some real conversion.

00:14:43.000 I'll get to that in a second.

00:14:44.000 That's where we need the divine intervention.

00:14:46.000 But cowardly requires a courageous person to challenge the coward.

00:14:51.000 So a good action item is for the downtrodden.

00:14:54.000 But honestly, they're not bad already.

00:14:56.000 Anytime anyone talks too loud, they like run out of a room, right?

00:14:58.000 They shouldn't be in the ministry, but they are.

00:15:00.000 Okay.

00:15:00.000 There's nothing.

00:15:01.000 No, it's true.

00:15:02.000 They shouldn't be.

00:15:03.000 But they are.

00:15:04.000 And they're running a church.

00:15:05.000 And you should say, hey, God wants you to take stance on things that matter in the nation that you are in.

00:15:11.000 Come on, I'll take the arrows for you.

00:15:12.000 Can you just do one sermon about the reversal of Roe versus Wade?

00:15:16.000 Can you just do it?

00:15:17.000 Can you show up to one thing?

00:15:18.000 Everyone in this room, I want you to challenge the other pastors in this community because courage begets courage.

00:15:24.000 Now, the last category is the complicit church.

00:15:27.000 They're worse than the cow.

00:15:28.000 I want more cowards than I would want people who are complicit.

00:15:31.000 Now, who are the complicit church?

00:15:32.000 These are the people that fly the LGBT flag outside of their church.

00:15:37.000 These are the people that fly the BLM, by large mansions flag outside of their church.

00:15:48.000 These are pastors that were so willing.

00:15:51.000 You know, people like Levi Lusko and people like Judas Smith.

00:15:54.000 I know I'm not supposed to say their names.

00:15:56.000 Again, don't care.

00:15:58.000 People like Rick Warren, people like all these people, right?

00:16:01.000 Who were so fast to go march in parades for BLM to make sure BLM could go buy more mansions and pay their family members.

00:16:10.000 But they have not lifted a finger for the unborn when Roe versus Wade is about to be repealed.

00:16:15.000 They won't even be bothered by it.

00:16:17.000 Like, come on.

00:16:19.000 And so the complicit church, this is where things like, oh, Jesus was a socialist come from and all this just nonsense, right?

00:16:26.000 And the question is, which church do you want to be?

00:16:28.000 God wants, He did not give us a spirit of fear.

00:16:31.000 Okay?

00:16:32.000 Joshua 1:9, very clearly, do not be afraid, says 365 times the Bible.

00:16:36.000 And so, why would we be anything less than a courageous church?

00:16:39.000 Now, I always have a heart, though, for the pastor that tries to give a sermon on this stuff and might do it a little sloppily, but it's like all passion.

00:16:47.000 Like, I can work with that, right?

00:16:48.000 He's getting the Federalist Papers and the Declaration all messed up, and he's confusing Thomas Jefferson and George Washington.

00:16:54.000 He said, We're founded in like 1810.

00:16:55.000 That's fine.

00:16:56.000 Like, I can work with that, right?

00:16:59.000 That's just a matter of precision.

00:17:00.000 And what I can't, what I have very little patience for is when they come up and they say, We need to take a knee for how racist our country is.

00:17:07.000 And I say, you know what?

00:17:08.000 We're the least racist country ever to exist in the history of the world.

00:17:10.000 The least racist country ever to exist.

00:17:13.000 In fact, it's because of the church that we had meaningful social progress to be able to abolish slavery in our country.

00:17:20.000 It's because of Christians that we're able to have any sort of the kind of progress that you're willing to actually proclaim and evangelize at the church.

00:17:26.000 But they're the ones that are all of a sudden have this terrible, terrible, bitter and misrepresentation of it.

00:17:30.000 So, anyway, that's a long kind of way to describe, which is we have those three different types of churches.

00:17:35.000 The courageous must challenge the cowardly to get into the courage posture.

00:17:39.000 And then we must ask the complicit to come out and defend their beliefs.

00:17:43.000 Like, come on.

00:17:44.000 And they have an open invite.

00:17:45.000 Any one of those people are allowed on my show at any time.

00:17:48.000 They, for whatever reason, don't like to defend their beliefs because I think deep down they know they're wrong.

00:17:53.000 But the American church right now is going to determine the future of American liberty as we know it.

00:17:59.000 And it's an open question.

00:18:02.000 When Charlie was talking about the cowardly church, in the absence of courage, truth is an orphan.

00:18:08.000 And pastors are peace-loving by nature, and they think that peace is the absence of conflict.

00:18:14.000 But that's not peace.

00:18:15.000 Peace is the presence of Christ in the midst of the conflict.

00:18:24.000 When these pastors get equipped with an understanding, for example, when we defied the governor's order and we were faced with $3,000 a day fines every time the doors of our church were open, they threatened a thousand congregants or visitors.

00:18:37.000 They wanted to put us in jail.

00:18:38.000 I was brought before the judge on contempt charges, all that stuff.

00:18:42.000 And listen, I'm just going to be candid with you.

00:18:45.000 I was scared.

00:18:48.000 Fear is real.

00:18:49.000 I was going to lose my house.

00:18:50.000 I was going to lose the church.

00:18:52.000 We had death threats.

00:18:53.000 I can go down the list of everything.

00:18:57.000 And I had to count that cost.

00:18:59.000 And I remember, you know, when the attorney was giving us all the list and it was an entire legal pad of consequences for defying the restraining order.

00:19:08.000 I called my wife, I read the list, and I said, honey, I really feel like God's calling me to do this.

00:19:14.000 She just basically said, I'd rather be a widow than be married to a coward.

00:19:23.000 Amen.

00:19:25.000 Amen.

00:19:29.000 It's a good woman.

00:19:31.000 Amen.

00:19:35.000 Now, listen, don't get all nice about her.

00:19:37.000 She's evil.

00:19:38.000 She's just like, she's just like, Heather, she connects tubes to my body at night and she steals my youth and transfers her fat.

00:19:47.000 She's an awful person that way.

00:19:50.000 And I see that, anyways, where were we?

00:19:54.000 But then I remember telling my kids, and my kids are like, you know, things are caught, not taught.

00:19:59.000 They were excited that somebody was contending for their generation.

00:20:03.000 The church is so myopic and so temporally focused.

00:20:07.000 And we use our eschatology as an excuse for our apathy.

00:20:12.000 You know, it's, you know, we're pre-true, pre-millennial.

00:20:14.000 We believe in the rapture, but we've taken the rapture to a place where we run up debt and put nickels in our pockets and wait for Haley Bob comment to come.

00:20:22.000 You don't get it.

00:20:22.000 It's anyways.

00:20:24.000 But the idea is you don't look at the geopolitical horizon simply for the sake of waiting for his soon return because I want it to happen right now.

00:20:34.000 But he says, occupy, do business until I come.

00:20:36.000 When he finds me and he comes back, I'm going to be working for the next generation, building a future for them.

00:20:44.000 And I'll just send you this last.

00:20:47.000 Then I told the staff, and they were all in.

00:20:50.000 I went to the elders, 15 of them, and I said, look, I'm planning on defying the restraining order tomorrow.

00:20:55.000 We're only going to do it if it's unanimous.

00:20:57.000 You get two choices.

00:20:58.000 Either we are unified in this or you open that letter and I'm resigning today.

00:21:03.000 And it was 15-0.

00:21:05.000 And I told him, look, I'm not going to be angry with you if you want me to resign, but I am not going to go into a future compromising what God's called me to do.

00:21:13.000 And then the landlord, the last one, he's a West Texas boy out in Cisco.

00:21:17.000 I called him.

00:21:18.000 I said, I have a fiduciary responsibility to you.

00:21:21.000 They could take your building.

00:21:22.000 He goes, we gave that to the Lord a long time ago.

00:21:24.000 You go kick there and he used an expletive.

00:21:31.000 All of that to say to the cowardly pastor, I was scared too.

00:21:36.000 I get it.

00:21:38.000 But when I looked at that list and I realized nothing's more valuable to me than liberty for my children and my grandchildren, the fear went away.

00:21:45.000 There's nothing you can take from me because I've already given it away.

00:21:49.000 And what are you going to threaten me with?

00:21:50.000 Heaven?

00:21:51.000 I mean, I'm all in.

00:21:53.000 And all of a sudden, the fear goes away and it's unstoppable.

00:21:56.000 Pastors, there's nothing on this earth worth holding on to that's more valuable than liberty for the children to come because Christ is the author of liberty, not man.

00:22:04.000 2 Corinthians 3.17, where the spirit of the Lord is, there's liberty.

00:22:08.000 Liberty is God's idea, not man's idea.

00:22:10.000 We need to be the clarion call for liberty to set the captives free.

00:22:23.000 Charlie, I wanted to say this and you can comment on it, but I remember as clear as a noses on my face, that day where I was scared to death.

00:22:34.000 And I remember calling you and just saying, you know, Charlie, I'm going to do this.

00:22:39.000 And I'll never forget what he said.

00:22:41.000 Now, this is a secular 501c3.

00:22:43.000 I know he loves the Lord with all his heart, soul, strength, and mind.

00:22:47.000 And he said, Rob, do it.

00:22:48.000 We got your back.

00:22:49.000 Now, a lot of people say that.

00:22:51.000 But the minute I step forward, and I'm not a social media guy, the adage at turning point is they meme the opposition until they cry and then they meme them crying.

00:23:04.000 Charlie exposed their evil deeds, stood behind us, and gave us a voice across the nation that awakened folks.

00:23:11.000 And I would just say the same is true for all of you.

00:23:15.000 If Pastor Lannon and Pastor Heather had stood up to do this and none of you supported them, they'd be going on a long, lonely walk.

00:23:22.000 You are to them what Charlie and Turning Point was to us.

00:23:26.000 And Charlie, that's your passion.

00:23:29.000 You believe in liberty.

00:23:30.000 And to take a secular 501c3 and to develop turning point faith, what inspired you to do that?

00:23:36.000 And what do you believe is the calling?

00:23:39.000 I mean, I know you don't want to bring the church into turning point, but tell us what that looks like.

00:23:44.000 Well, yeah, look, I mean, I tell people all the time that my full-time job is focused on the second most important thing that a human being can do.

00:23:52.000 And so then people say, well, what's the first thing?

00:23:55.000 Okay, well, let's start with the first thing.

00:23:56.000 The first thing is to making sure that we win souls for Jesus Christ.

00:24:00.000 It's the most important thing, is to win people for Jesus Christ.

00:24:04.000 The most thing, the most important thing.

00:24:06.000 So then what's the second thing?

00:24:08.000 Well, to make sure you could do the first thing.

00:24:10.000 To make sure that we're not going to be able to have our theological disputes from prison.

00:24:16.000 And people say, well, Charlie, that's an exaggeration.

00:24:18.000 Like, okay.

00:24:19.000 Yeah.

00:24:20.000 If anything should teach you the last couple, you should learn anything from the last couple of years.

00:24:25.000 I don't think that's an exaggeration.

00:24:26.000 There are pastors that are going to prison in Canada for remaining open.

00:24:31.000 There are pastors in every Western country, churches that were shut down forcibly, and we're still not believing that they're going to continue their march towards our freedoms and liberties.

00:24:40.000 And so the church has not been focused at all, with some exceptions, obviously this one, on the second most important thing.

00:24:48.000 And it really is a lack of an appreciation of what we have as a country.

00:24:53.000 This is the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world.

00:24:56.000 And I say this, and this is where I come under huge criticism from the people who won't actually talk to me.

00:25:03.000 They write these faceless blogs, and is they say that you cannot be both a Christian and a nationalist.

00:25:11.000 And I think to myself, I said, how does that one work out?

00:25:15.000 So let's play that out.

00:25:17.000 So you're trying to tell me that you couldn't be a Christian that had a heart also for Israel at the time.

00:25:23.000 You couldn't be a Christian that also had a heart for the nation at which you are in.

00:25:27.000 I understand the hierarchy.

00:25:28.000 So do you.

00:25:28.000 You know what the most important thing is, obviously.

00:25:30.000 We're also called to be stewards, to be thankful in all things.

00:25:34.000 And things that you inherit from a prior generation that are beautiful, that are true and good, you better protect those things.

00:25:41.000 And this is what people ask me.

00:25:42.000 They say, Charlie, why are you a conservative?

00:25:44.000 Well, I believe a conservative by definition, that a Christian must be a small C conservative.

00:25:48.000 You have to be.

00:25:49.000 Because a conservative is someone who wants to protect something to make sure your kids can enjoy the same beautiful thing that you enjoyed.

00:25:54.000 Things don't protect themselves without good, strong people protecting them.

00:25:58.000 I want to say that again.

00:25:59.000 Things do not automatically preserve.

00:26:02.000 They don't.

00:26:03.000 Civilizations crumble.

00:26:05.000 Books get burned.

00:26:06.000 It requires good, strong people to preserve the good.

00:26:12.000 And the failure to do that is you have entire generations that get lost.

00:26:15.000 So that's what a conservative is.

00:26:17.000 A conservative, first and foremost, is you make an analysis of what human beings are.

00:26:21.000 Pretty screwed up.

00:26:22.000 We know that thanks to the Bible.

00:26:23.000 We know that because of our own analysis of human behavior.

00:26:26.000 Broken by our original sin, that we need Jesus Christ in our life to make us whole and new.

00:26:31.000 So therefore, if you're pretty messed up, you know, you're not going to get close to utopia, you know, that you're going to be falling short of any sort of perfect design of government.

00:26:38.000 And then you ask yourself the question, well, then what is good?

00:26:41.000 Well, thankfully, we know what the ultimate good is.

00:26:44.000 This is Jesus Christ and it is perfect.

00:26:46.000 It is the top comprehension of what good could possibly be.

00:26:50.000 that God, divine himself, came down in human form to walk amongst us and alongside of us to give us eternal life that we didn't deserve.

00:27:00.000 Could you comprehend a better deal than that?

00:27:03.000 No, that is the ultimate good.

00:27:05.000 But then what is true and what is beautiful?

00:27:07.000 These are things we used to contemplate in our school system, which now we obviously don't do that.

00:27:11.000 And so once you're able to analyze what is good and what is right and what is wrong, America being one of those things, then I believe you are biblically commanded to then do everything you possibly can to make sure those things can be enjoyed by future generations.

00:27:25.000 You see, this is the kind of the cult of progress that I think we're finally, we're about to experience, if we do our job right, a conservative revolution.

00:27:33.000 I mean small C conservative revolution.

00:27:36.000 I don't care about the political thing will figure itself out.

00:27:38.000 So here, let me prove it to you.

00:27:41.000 And I could do the poll right now.

00:27:42.000 Does anyone think in this room where you are living today, how do I word this actually better?

00:27:49.000 I'll word it this way.

00:27:49.000 How about this?

00:27:50.000 That raise your hand if you agree the 1990s was a happier and better place to live than it is today.

00:27:57.000 Raise your hand if you agree.

00:27:58.000 Okay, almost every hand goes up.

00:28:00.000 Some hands don't go up, which is interesting.

00:28:02.000 That's because they weren't born in the 90s.

00:28:03.000 Huh?

00:28:06.000 They weren't born yet.

00:28:08.000 Yeah, a lot of people weren't born yet.

00:28:09.000 It was better, trust me.

00:28:12.000 So I've been just thinking about this so deeply the last couple days.

00:28:17.000 So I did a whole poll on Instagram and all of our channels.

00:28:20.000 We had 87,000 people participate in our poll, and I asked that question, right?

00:28:24.000 So 98% of poll participants said the 90s were a happier, freer, better place to live.

00:28:30.000 And so you think to yourself, okay, 30 years of progress, and people want to go back.

00:28:38.000 That's a conservative argument.

00:28:41.000 That right there is exactly why we're a much more conservative country than you actually think we are.

00:28:46.000 That actually, with all the technological progress, with all the gender queer theory, with post-birth abortions, with homosexual marriage, people are way more miserable today than they were 30 years ago.

00:28:57.000 Every statistic shows it, by the way.

00:29:00.000 More mental health problems, more anxiety, more depression, more suicide, more alcohol addiction, more violent crime.

00:29:07.000 And so you think to yourself, wait a second.

00:29:09.000 And again, there's an interpretation of this where some people say, Charlie, that means the end times are here.

00:29:15.000 You might be right.

00:29:16.000 I'm not getting into that tonight, okay?

00:29:18.000 Like Rob said, he's pre-trib.

00:29:19.000 Some people are post-trib.

00:29:21.000 I'm pan-trib.

00:29:22.000 It's all going to pan out in the end, okay?

00:29:23.000 So not for me.

00:29:26.000 I let the pastors dispute that, right?

00:29:28.000 What I do know, though, is that we shouldn't allow evil to spread just because we think Jesus is coming next Thursday, right?

00:29:35.000 That's not the right, that's not the right.

00:29:38.000 But anyway, I think that there's a conservative revival that we're on the cusp of where people not don't just have a yearning for nostalgia, but they realize that if you allow what I call the locusts, which is the left, they will destroy everything that is good, true, and beautiful.

00:29:55.000 Can you name one thing these people have captured and do not destroy?

00:30:00.000 They've destroyed everything that they get control of.

00:30:02.000 They've destroyed the Boy Scouts, which is completely and totally obliterated.

00:30:06.000 They destroyed classical music, Hollywood, professional sports, American politics, our tech companies.

00:30:13.000 And it's because inherent, they don't actually build new things, nor are they concerned with preserving good things.

00:30:18.000 They just care about taking them over for their own very, very specific radical ideology.

00:30:22.000 So the opportunity ahead of us is, wow, most people really want what they once had.

00:30:28.000 That is a kind of a premonition, is a canary in the coal mine that people want to go back to the very roots.

00:30:33.000 Well, the roots that built everything that built our country, which of course is the Bible and the Christian worldview.

00:30:38.000 And this is why you're going to see this huge resurgence, this awakening and this revival of the rejection of this kind of overindulgence in tech, the totalitarian nature of kind of some of our cultural influences, all these different things that we're seeing in our country.

00:30:52.000 So kind of all of that to say, you know, the last thing that they have not completely taken over is the American church.

00:31:01.000 So if you just look at this as kind of, do you want liberty to live, do you want liberty to be around or to exist in its current form or hopefully in any form for future grandkids?

00:31:13.000 What is the last institution that needs to remain strong or grow that can't be totally corrupted?

00:31:18.000 And that, of course, is the church, right?

00:31:20.000 And so they've taken over everything else.

00:31:22.000 And this is exactly why they threaten with the ridiculous Johnson Amendment.

00:31:26.000 They try to get pastors to try to not speak out.

00:31:29.000 This is why they've taken over seminaries, by the way.

00:31:32.000 And you have all these skinny gene pastors.

00:31:34.000 No, don't worry, you pass the test.

00:31:36.000 So that are super woke that do nothing but push this awful ideology, which is the left knows that if they could take over the church, then the country is broken in a generation.

00:31:51.000 They know the opposite is true, too.

00:31:53.000 If the church rises, that they will go through a political extinction event.

00:31:58.000 Good word.

00:32:03.000 Well, first of all, Charlie, I wear skinny jeans because it's the only part of my body that's skinny.

00:32:07.000 So skin on a sausage.

00:32:09.000 Anyways, I was going to share with you when Charlie talked about protecting the second most important thing, which is a government that protects the preaching of the gospel.

00:32:19.000 You know, God judges nations, and he didn't say, I came to make converts.

00:32:23.000 He said, I came to make disciples.

00:32:24.000 And not just disciples, but disciples of all nations, because nations are boundaries, borders, compacts, constitutions, ideologies contending for the freedom of man.

00:32:34.000 We were not the first constitutional republic in the history of the world.

00:32:37.000 Israel was.

00:32:38.000 Three to five million Jews were enslaved in Egypt, crying out to God for deliverance.

00:32:43.000 God sent an 80-year-old man by the name of Moses.

00:32:45.000 He contended with Pharaoh.

00:32:47.000 And Pharaoh says, who is God that I should obey him?

00:32:50.000 It's exactly what Nussaleni did in California.

00:32:53.000 And so he doubled the brick output and reduced the materials.

00:32:56.000 And the Jews didn't complain to Pharaoh.

00:33:00.000 They wanted to kill Moses.

00:33:01.000 People want freedom.

00:33:02.000 They just don't want to pay for it.

00:33:05.000 And so God takes one man because God constitutes a majority.

00:33:09.000 It's good to be on his side.

00:33:10.000 Moses and God, majority.

00:33:12.000 And he contends with Pharaoh the 10 plagues.

00:33:15.000 Pharaoh releases them.

00:33:17.000 They go into the wilderness after the Passover and the Egyptian army is vanquished in the Red Sea.

00:33:24.000 Manna's provided every morning.

00:33:26.000 Water.

00:33:27.000 Their clothes don't wear out for 40 years.

00:33:29.000 Their shoes don't wear out.

00:33:31.000 Miracle after miracle.

00:33:32.000 But here's the greatest miracle.

00:33:34.000 Moses goes up on Mount Sinai and gets a downloaded moral app.

00:33:39.000 The Decalogue, the Ten Commandments.

00:33:41.000 He comes down and the entire nation is in debauchery in a rave party fashioned by Aaron with a golden calf.

00:33:54.000 Glow sticks, everything.

00:33:55.000 It was crazy.

00:33:57.000 It's in the Hebrew.

00:33:58.000 You got to read it.

00:33:59.000 It's in there.

00:34:03.000 And he teaches the children, the Decalogue, the moral law, and then places it in the center of the community.

00:34:08.000 And from the moral law comes a civil law.

00:34:10.000 Leviticus, numbers, Deuteronomy.

00:34:13.000 Here's the greatest miracle.

00:34:15.000 Three to five million people lived together for 40 years without a police force or a standing army because they had the moral law.

00:34:22.000 We've removed God from the equation and the laws, the wise restraints that make men free.

00:34:28.000 And what happens is without God and without the moral law, the law is then weaponized not to make man free, but to enslave him.

00:34:36.000 You apply restraints towards evil in order to pursue excellence.

00:34:39.000 Any athlete understands this.

00:34:41.000 While their classmates are sitting in front of the idiot box in the corner of their living room, the window into hell television, they're up in the morning practicing, and they get to enjoy that sport at a level of excellence their generation will never know because they've applied restraints in order to pursue excellence.

00:34:58.000 And as Christians, we must front load our children.

00:35:01.000 We must contend for the moral law and the civil law.

00:35:03.000 The law doesn't save.

00:35:05.000 I'm not talking about salvation.

00:35:07.000 I'm talking about preservation.

00:35:08.000 The law is a school teacher guardian, Galatians 3 to point us to Christ until faith comes.

00:35:13.000 We must contend in the Ecclesia, the Ecclesia, because Jesus said in Matthew 16, 18 to Peter when he said, you're the Christ, the son of living God.

00:35:22.000 And he said, blessed are you, Simon Barjona.

00:35:23.000 Flesh and blood has not revealed this to you.

00:35:26.000 But my Father in heaven, and upon this rock I will build mine.

00:35:28.000 Everyone says church, that's not the word.

00:35:30.000 It didn't come until hundreds of years later.

00:35:31.000 Charlie did an in-depth study on this.

00:35:33.000 It was fascinating.

00:35:34.000 Take it from there.

00:35:34.000 Tell him.

00:35:35.000 This is good.

00:35:36.000 And we'll close with you.

00:35:37.000 Yep.

00:35:37.000 So, yeah, the word ecclesia means a public gathering.

00:35:41.000 And ecclesia was a real thing in ancient Greece where Roman citizens would come, they'd fast and pray, and they would unite in the local community around two Greek terms, words, isonomia and eleutheria, which are the two Greek words for freedom and equality, which just so happened to be the two words that America is founded on.

00:35:59.000 Equality under the law and obviously freedom, the pursuit of virtue.

00:36:03.000 And so when Jesus was saying that on this rock, build my ecclesia, he could have used synagogue.

00:36:08.000 He could have used any other term that would have been well known, but he used this term that was unusual and that was translated in the Koigne Greek because what was being communicated, and any theologian will tell you this, that really does a deep study on it, is Jesus was calling for comprehensive Christianity, not compartmentalized Christianity.

00:36:26.000 Big difference is that if it was just synagogue, it'd be like, on this rock, build my place where you just come to worship and leave.

00:36:32.000 And Pastor Lannon's terrific point is like, no, actually, Jesus wanted you to say, so you're saying, on this rock, build my place where you gather.

00:36:40.000 And that's the starting point to go in the community and influence everything else.

00:36:43.000 That would be the same thing.

00:36:44.000 Push over the gates of hell.

00:36:45.000 I'm sorry?

00:36:46.000 Push back the gates.

00:36:46.000 Yeah, and push back the gates of hell, which was an apt, very, very important illustration, especially at the mouth of the Jordan River, where that particular illustration happens.

00:36:56.000 And so this is a misunderstanding in the church and something that I think that we as Christians need to do a much better job of articulating.

00:37:03.000 So in closing for our portion, and I think we're calling up the other, is that right?

00:37:07.000 Okay, yeah, great.

00:37:09.000 So I'll just say two more things in closing before we continue the program.

00:37:13.000 I think I'm staying up here, so we'll be able to keep chatting, is number one, please be vigilant, Texas.

00:37:18.000 You know this.

00:37:20.000 There's a tremendous amount of money, resources, and effort being put into your home to try to turn this state into something that is inconsistent with your values.

00:37:29.000 Get involved in the local government races.

00:37:32.000 Get involved in the school board elections.

00:37:34.000 What's happening in South Lake, where you get rid of the CRT people, needs to happen in every single community across Texas.

00:37:44.000 And I cannot reinforce that enough.

00:37:48.000 Remember, find that cowardly pastor, please.

00:37:50.000 The second thing is, and I'll just do a shameless plug.

00:37:53.000 It really helps me personally, which is, as you guys know, big tech is just a total disaster and we're constantly trying to, well, maybe we'll see if the Twitter purchase goes through.

00:38:03.000 That's a separate issue, though.

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00:38:06.000 We do three podcasts a day.

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00:38:20.000 It's the only way we are able to get our message out, constantly being suppressed by YouTube, constantly being suppressed by Twitter, constantly being suppressed by Facebook.

00:38:29.000 So you just take out your phone.

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00:38:31.000 If you're like, Charlie, I don't know how to subscribe.

00:38:33.000 There's an eight-year-old, I think, in the front row.

00:38:36.000 We'll happily do that.

00:38:37.000 It's the Charlie Kirk Show podcast that would really bless me and allow the program to continue.

00:38:42.000 Come on, can we give it up for Pastor Robin Charlie up here?

00:38:47.000 Amazing, amazing, amazing.

00:38:50.000 Thank you so much.

00:38:51.000 We're going to go into a question and answer time.

00:38:54.000 And I want to encourage you, we're going to take some of your questions.

00:38:56.000 And I'm going to go ahead and invite our pastors.

00:38:58.000 Can you give it up for Pastor Lannon and Pastor Heather that are coming up here to join us for our question and answer time?

00:39:07.000 Come on, are you proud of our bold leadership here in Fort Worth, Texas?

00:39:14.000 Absolutely amazing.

00:39:16.000 As they're getting everything set up, I want to brag.

00:39:19.000 He just mentioned what happened in Southlake.

00:39:21.000 Do you know that we have none other than Tim O'Hare sitting on the front row right here that helped lead the charge?

00:39:28.000 Our Republican nominee for county judge, you are incredibly important and we're grateful for you, sir.

00:39:33.000 As well as Matt Kraus sitting on the front row running for a district attorney and part of our friends and family list as well.

00:39:42.000 We're going to jump into this question and answer time.

00:39:45.000 And so excited to have you here.

00:39:47.000 Thank you for coming.

00:39:49.000 It's super exciting and to have our pastor up here as well.

00:39:53.000 We're just going to dive right in.

00:39:54.000 And if you want to send in your questions, we might get to them.

00:39:56.000 We might not.

00:39:57.000 If not, that's okay.

00:39:58.000 We'll answer them throughout our social media throughout the week.

00:40:02.000 But you can text Liberty to 59090 and we'll get those in there.

00:40:06.000 But let's kick it off into something spicy.

00:40:09.000 Let's just get spicy right off the bat.

00:40:11.000 And that is, what would you say to Christians that would say, I want to spread the love of Jesus and I don't want to be divisive in this time?

00:40:21.000 Read your Bible.

00:40:23.000 I mean, what does the Bible say?

00:40:26.000 I came to turn father against son and brother against brother.

00:40:30.000 I mean, it's Luke 15 or 16.

00:40:32.000 I did not come here to unite but divide.

00:40:34.000 So what do you want to do?

00:40:36.000 So, oh, no, no, you want to be loved.

00:40:37.000 Oh, that's something different.

00:40:40.000 You don't want to spread love.

00:40:41.000 You want to be loved.

00:40:43.000 Two totally different things.

00:40:44.000 And what kind of love do you mean exactly, Instagram Christian person?

00:40:48.000 Do you mean Eros, agape, storge, or phileo?

00:40:52.000 Because obviously you want to be loved.

00:40:53.000 No, no, no.

00:40:53.000 You want to be accepted by a broken world because that's your currency in life.

00:41:00.000 Like nowhere in the scriptures does it say, proclaim the gospel and you will win the popularity contest.

00:41:05.000 It's the opposite.

00:41:07.000 In fact, it says you will be persecuted.

00:41:10.000 You will be put in prison.

00:41:11.000 I mean, like, it takes like three verses in James.

00:41:14.000 You're like, really, is that all?

00:41:15.000 Oh, keep going.

00:41:16.000 And it's like, not only that, it's a guarantee.

00:41:17.000 It's a promise.

00:41:18.000 And so, but we should rejoice in that.

00:41:20.000 That's the thing is that we should rejoice in the suffering and rejoice in the persecution.

00:41:25.000 And so I want to spread love, but I don't want to divide.

00:41:29.000 Well, then you got to choose.

00:41:32.000 There is no way in today's America to not tell the truth and quote unquote divide.

00:41:38.000 You shouldn't have a heart to try to divide people.

00:41:40.000 But yeah, when I say that God created man and God created woman, someone says, well, Charlie, that's really divisive.

00:41:45.000 Well, yeah, if you believe things that aren't true, like if you're full of a satanic spirit, like, excuse me, I'd love to divide us from Satan.

00:41:56.000 That's awesome.

00:41:59.000 I would only add the Bible says, speak the truth in love.

00:42:03.000 And truth without love is brutality, and love without truth is hypocrisy.

00:42:08.000 And Charlie's defining on that.

00:42:10.000 It's not that you want to love, it's that you want to be loved.

00:42:12.000 You want to be like.

00:42:14.000 Listen, Jesus said, you know, is this too hard for you?

00:42:19.000 I mean, they just peeled off.

00:42:21.000 He wasn't a secret-sensitive guy.

00:42:23.000 And he laid it out.

00:42:24.000 And they said, where else will you go?

00:42:26.000 For you alone have the words of life.

00:42:29.000 They're not looking to you to like you.

00:42:32.000 A missionary goes where they're not loved but needed and leads when they're no longer needed but loved.

00:42:37.000 And you're loved because you stood and did the right thing.

00:42:40.000 And they see in you somebody with a backbone and courage.

00:42:43.000 And contend with them because you love them.

00:42:46.000 But don't cower because you don't want to be disliked.

00:42:51.000 I've been crucified with Christ.

00:42:52.000 I'm already dead.

00:42:53.000 You can't insult the dead man.

00:42:54.000 I'm done.

00:42:55.000 I mean, it's just, yeah.

00:42:57.000 The greatest commandment.

00:42:59.000 There's no nothing in the monitors, no microphones, no monitors.

00:43:02.000 You guys can't hear yourself.

00:43:04.000 The greatest commandment is to love God.

00:43:07.000 That's the greatest commandment.

00:43:08.000 And so we've missed it.

00:43:12.000 The greatest commandment is not for people to like us.

00:43:15.000 The greatest commandment is to love God with everything that we have.

00:43:18.000 And we've surrendered that for the approval of man.

00:43:22.000 I do a Tuesday Q ⁇ A and I get asked all the time, what's the greatest thing missing in the church?

00:43:29.000 In my opinion, is the fear of the Lord.

00:43:31.000 And so we fear what other people think about us more than we fear, more than we care.

00:43:37.000 The fear of the Lord is not being afraid of God.

00:43:40.000 The fear of the Lord is being terrified to not please him.

00:43:44.000 And so I appreciate your humanity.

00:43:49.000 And when you're talking about when you're a mayor and the things that are coming against you, and no one doesn't want to be liked.

00:43:57.000 Like, I don't love all the articles written about us on a weekly basis.

00:43:59.000 I'm not like waking up like, yes, another one.

00:44:01.000 Look, Heather, you know, except for Charlie.

00:44:04.000 He's uniquely made.

00:44:08.000 But I don't.

00:44:09.000 But here's the thing is, I wrote a book on homosexuality in God's heart on this subject and his unrelenting love for people while remaining unwavering our loyalty to God's word to help people.

00:44:22.000 But they call hate speech, hate speech because they hate to hear it, not because it's not truth.

00:44:30.000 And so there's this thing that we're seeing in the body of Christ today where we believe that our popularity in our Christianity will forever go hand in hand and they won't go hand in hand.

00:44:42.000 And so we have to understand that we have to love God more despite what people think about us and despite what people say about us.

00:44:51.000 In fact, the Bible says, Jesus says, if you love me, you will obey me.

00:44:57.000 So actually our obedience to the word of God proves that we love him.

00:45:01.000 And if we loved him, we would obey the word of God.

00:45:03.000 So is the body of Christ more obsessed about setting the captive's feet free, binding up the brokenhearted, preaching the gospel, standing for truth, going and healing in COVID and said we're caring about our neighbors by hiding in our houses.

00:45:20.000 But Jesus never showed or portrayed isolation from the sick.

00:45:25.000 And so if Jesus said, you love me by obeying me, then it's not about, oh, how do I love other people?

00:45:34.000 We had the greatest example in Jesus in how he loved people well.

00:45:39.000 And in that, I think a lot of people say there's this culture war that's taking place right now.

00:45:43.000 And so it's so hard to love.

00:45:45.000 Okay, Jesus came and he brought a culture war.

00:45:49.000 Okay, he offended everybody.

00:45:52.000 He flipped society up down, upside down.

00:45:56.000 In fact, to the Pharisees and the religious people, he completely confronted, flipped tables to the disciples who thought he was coming and going to sit on a throne and win a kingdom on earth.

00:46:07.000 It's like, no, I'm going to a cross and I'm dying.

00:46:09.000 And they're like, no, don't say that.

00:46:11.000 He's like, get behind me, Satan.

00:46:13.000 His followers that saw him do miracles, questioning their opinions and said, but how in the world can he come from Nazareth?

00:46:19.000 How can he come from Joseph?

00:46:21.000 He flipped the culture upside down.

00:46:24.000 He brought a culture war.

00:46:25.000 And I believe that the body of Christ should be a part of the culture war that's taking place.

00:46:31.000 We should be penetrating this culture war with the truth.

00:46:36.000 And then like I said earlier, we would bring freedom.

00:46:39.000 And so we can't be afraid of bringing the truth in the midst of this culture where we had the greatest example of a reformer in Jesus Christ.

00:46:52.000 And I believe that the word of God is the truth that we stand in.

00:46:57.000 And so I don't know where we've gotten that love is, like what has already been said, is cowarding.

00:47:04.000 It is leading strong and leading people in truth.

00:47:10.000 So good.

00:47:11.000 I would add too, with critical theory raging right now across our country.

00:47:16.000 You know, we're looking at a generation that's being poisoned through social media.

00:47:20.000 It's being poisoned, even sometimes in the classroom.

00:47:22.000 But thank God for righteous candidates that are rising up in our school board.

00:47:25.000 Am I right?

00:47:26.000 Moms and dads that aren't going to take it anymore.

00:47:29.000 Because I don't know if you know this, but it's not the government's job to raise your child.

00:47:33.000 How many know God ordained us to do that?

00:47:37.000 But what we're seeing in the classroom is unprecedented.

00:47:39.000 We're seeing, and, you know, many people will say, you know, one of the most, the biggest blessings, the only blessing we really saw through COVID is parents got an inside look at the classroom that they were experiencing.

00:47:49.000 You know, with this transgender movement invading in on our kids, the gender identity crisis that we're seeing inside the classrooms, I mean, literally just down the road, three hours down the road in Austin, we see a LGBTQ plus pride parade going on with no parental consent.

00:48:04.000 I can't even imagine what would happen if my child was in that parade.

00:48:08.000 When we see this, how do we protect the next generation?

00:48:11.000 And how do we take a stand as parents?

00:48:13.000 Yeah, and that's the right question, which is the protection question, right?

00:48:17.000 I mean, so look, we must understand what we're up against, right?

00:48:20.000 Look, the purple-haired Taliban, they will do whatever they, they will, they are going after your children.

00:48:27.000 And, you know, I mean, and people say, Charlie, you shouldn't talk like that.

00:48:30.000 I'm sorry.

00:48:30.000 Maybe you shouldn't go after six-year-olds, you creep.

00:48:32.000 Like, I'm going to call you whatever I want.

00:48:34.000 Like, you guys are a bunch of perverts, like, going after kids like this.

00:48:39.000 Like, the gloves are off, okay?

00:48:41.000 Jesus had his harshest teaching for people that went after children.

00:48:44.000 And that goes for Disney, and that goes for these teachers.

00:48:48.000 That goes for anyone that supports any of this stuff.

00:48:51.000 And so, look, I'll let the pastors sort out the verses here, but I'm not going to put up with this, all right?

00:48:59.000 I want Disney to go bankrupt.

00:49:00.000 I want to punish people that go after children.

00:49:04.000 I believe that we must punch back twice as hard.

00:49:08.000 They must understand the sword swings the other way.

00:49:11.000 Like, you are not going to push puberty blockers on 10-year-olds without parental consent.

00:49:17.000 This is irreversible damage, everybody.

00:49:19.000 It's not like when they're 20, they could say, oh, well, no, there is a window.

00:49:23.000 And if you stunt puberty, there is no going back.

00:49:26.000 And there are hundreds of thousands of cases that we know now of people that have transition regret.

00:49:31.000 And it's a growing thing.

00:49:32.000 Now, I just want to take a couple thoughts on this.

00:49:33.000 I know we're short on time, but a couple of things.

00:49:36.000 Who is pushing this?

00:49:37.000 Okay.

00:49:37.000 Yes, you have the kind of entire cartel of like the LGBT thing, okay?

00:49:42.000 But you must understand that there is an incredibly cynical business interest.

00:49:46.000 And the same pharmaceutical companies that pushed forward all these vaccines see a multi-billion dollar annual opportunity in trying to push these hormone blockers and puberty blockers.

00:49:59.000 They're the ones that are pushing this.

00:50:01.000 AstraZeneca, Pfizer, Johnson and Johnson, they have billions of dollars of drugs in front of the FDA right now in research and development, phase one, phase two, phase three trials that they want to try to push to five, six, and seven year olds that might have transition regret.

00:50:15.000 There has not been a gold rush in the pharmaceutical industry like this in decades.

00:50:21.000 All they have to do is get more kids to want to think that they're what they're not, and they start to print more money.

00:50:26.000 Yes, it is that cynical.

00:50:27.000 You can go look at yourself.

00:50:28.000 Look at the people, look at where Pfizer's donating their money.

00:50:31.000 They're donating to the human rights campaign and to ACL.

00:50:34.000 It's like, oh, that's interesting.

00:50:35.000 It's all part of a very, very sinister money interest of the corporate lobbies that want to push these sort of very, very destructive drugs.

00:50:42.000 So the other part of this, though, is the ideologues.

00:50:44.000 Here's the good news, though, is that this is an issue that the overwhelming majority, 99% of Americans are with us on this.

00:50:52.000 They just happen to have an incredibly vocal, hostile, and like belligerent minority.

00:50:57.000 But here's the problem with this issue, which is exactly why I'm so like intentionally provocative on this issue, because I want to give you the permission and the space to talk about it the same way, which is 99% of Americans are equally as afraid to talk about this issue.

00:51:12.000 This issue, for whatever reason, people get so scared.

00:51:15.000 Well, I don't want to come across as insensitive or a transphobe.

00:51:18.000 Okay, let's talk about that for a second, okay?

00:51:20.000 If you're suffering under gender dysphoria or gender delusion, I hope that you find Jesus in your life and you go through a transformation.

00:51:27.000 I want that for you, okay?

00:51:28.000 I do.

00:51:29.000 I'm not talking about those people.

00:51:31.000 I'm talking about people that want to redesign society and go after vulnerable seven, eight, and nine-year-olds and do incredibly destructive things to them.

00:51:38.000 That's a completely separate issue.

00:51:40.000 And so what do we do to protect them?

00:51:42.000 Well, here's the question in front of Christians, right?

00:51:45.000 Which is, what will it take for you to fight the way they've been fighting?

00:51:49.000 I'm already there, right?

00:51:51.000 I want to call out every single one of these pervert teachers, put them in prison, pass these laws in every state, defund Disney.

00:51:59.000 I believe that is the Christian thing to do.

00:52:14.000 Beautiful.

00:52:15.000 I agree.

00:52:17.000 I think they do too.

00:52:19.000 It's awesome.

00:52:20.000 You know, looking at this, and, you know, we're talking about the indoctrination that's going on in our schools.

00:52:24.000 We're also talking about subjects such as critical race theory.

00:52:27.000 And this is a hot topic that's across America right now.

00:52:30.000 It's something that our governor has outlawed inside the state of Texas.

00:52:34.000 And yet, for some reason, we still see this going on in our local ISDs.

00:52:38.000 You know, the left is typically very good at owning language such as compassion, such as, you know, unity, diversity.

00:52:46.000 And, you know, it can be confusing for some of us.

00:52:49.000 What would you say to someone who would say, well, CRT is just teaching history?

00:52:54.000 And even more so, people saying CRT doesn't happen in schools.

00:52:59.000 It's just a university subject.

00:53:01.000 What would your response be?

00:53:02.000 Yeah, okay.

00:53:03.000 So saying like CRT is teaching history is being like, okay, we're going to do a biology lesson about bloodletting.

00:53:10.000 Like we might as well make the kids aware of every opinion, right?

00:53:12.000 Or, hey, let's do an astrology lesson, but we have to entertain the flat earth theory.

00:53:18.000 No, it's not.

00:53:19.000 There are some things you don't teach kids because they aren't true.

00:53:22.000 And so this whole teaching history.

00:53:24.000 So this all stems from the great charlatan, Nicole Hannah Jones, who's a very dishonest person from the New York Times.

00:53:31.000 Again, I don't mean to take too long on this stuff so we could let the panel go through it, but I'll do it as quickly as I possibly can.

00:53:37.000 American history is incredibly heroic.

00:53:40.000 I'll tell you a couple things that makes America unique.

00:53:42.000 Up until America, there had never been a country ever where you could tell me a date and time it started.

00:53:49.000 America was summoned into existence.

00:53:50.000 It didn't stumble into existence.

00:53:52.000 That's unbelievably rare.

00:53:53.000 Tell me when the British Empire founded, you can't.

00:53:56.000 Chinese Empire, you can't.

00:53:57.000 Russian, you can't.

00:53:59.000 Why does that matter?

00:54:00.000 That means people made a statement of actions and beliefs and they said, we're willing to sacrifice it for today.

00:54:05.000 The idea that America was summoned into existence meant that they were willing to make an argument.

00:54:09.000 What was the argument?

00:54:10.000 The argument was that when in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands that have tied them to another, deriving from the equal station, the equal but station powers, the laws of nature and nature's god.

00:54:20.000 And goes on to say, of course, life, liberty, it wants property in the pursuit of happiness.

00:54:24.000 They're making a moral argument there.

00:54:26.000 They're making an argument that we understand a vertical relationship to our government.

00:54:30.000 Now, understand the Declaration of Independence inspired the abolition of slavery in Vermont, that nine out of 13 of the colonial states before the Constitution was ratified had independently abolished slavery, that when the Northist Ordinance was passed as one of the first acts of Congress in 1787, they abolished slavery in the new territories approved unanimously by all 13 colonies.

00:54:50.000 The first ever anti-slavery convention in the world was chaired by Benjamin Franklin in Philadelphia in 1775.

00:54:56.000 The first country ever to abolish slavery was Britain, thanks to William Wilberforce.

00:55:00.000 Then America did it after that.

00:55:02.000 There are more slaves on the earth today than they're ever traded in the slave trade, both to Brazil, both to South America and North America.

00:55:09.000 There's more slaves in Somalia and the Arab world.

00:55:12.000 The question shouldn't be, why was there slavery?

00:55:15.000 The question should be, why did they decide to get rid of it?

00:55:18.000 You see, every human being has something in common.

00:55:20.000 We have this in common with every person that came before us.

00:55:22.000 We were born into a world we did not create.

00:55:24.000 We all agree at that, right?

00:55:26.000 Well, Thomas Jefferson was born into a world where slavery was everywhere.

00:55:29.000 By the time he was on his deathbed in the 1820s, slavery was on its way out and was nearly extinct in the northern hemisphere.

00:55:37.000 We should take pause and ask the question why?

00:55:40.000 Because that's a big deal.

00:55:41.000 CRT does the opposite.

00:55:43.000 CRT says our founding fathers are not worthy of study because they all owned slaves and they were bigot and racist, even though they can't point to a single document of writing of Jefferson, Madison, Hamilton, Jay, Norris, any one of these people that show any sort of bigoted bone in their body.

00:55:58.000 No, instead, they want to try to whitewash history.

00:56:00.000 Why?

00:56:00.000 If there is no history, there is no story, there is no story, there is no country, and then the revolution can begin.

00:56:06.000 That's why.

00:56:14.000 With critical race theory, one of the things that really frustrated me, especially in California, is when we defied the governor, we watched other churches post black tiles.

00:56:25.000 And everyone was scared of it because everybody, you know, they're exploiting historical wounds and Black Lives Matter.

00:56:30.000 Nobody's going to disagree with a statement, but we disagree with the organization Black Lives Matter.

00:56:36.000 And my biggest comment to those pastors is that I said it's supported by Planned Parenthood.

00:56:41.000 Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist and she wanted to get rid of what she called the Negro problem.

00:56:46.000 And Planned Parenthood supports Black Lives Matter.

00:56:49.000 Black Lives Matter supports Planned Parenthood.

00:56:51.000 You think Black Lives Matter?

00:56:52.000 Let me ask you this question.

00:56:53.000 13% of the population of America is black.

00:56:56.000 You cut that in half, six and a half, six and a half percent male, female.

00:56:59.000 Take the female side, reduce it to childbearing years, which is 4% of the population of America.

00:57:04.000 That 4% is responsible for almost 40% of the abortions.

00:57:07.000 It is a holocaust on the black community.

00:57:09.000 The birth rate is down to 1.7.

00:57:11.000 You're going to have to go to the Smithsonian Institute in 10 years to see a black American, and they're responsible for the decimation of our black community.

00:57:20.000 Why are you posting a tile saying you care when you're preaching the antithesis of that?

00:57:26.000 It doesn't work.

00:57:28.000 Stand for truth.

00:57:29.000 Protect the black babies.

00:57:43.000 Fantastic.

00:57:45.000 Can I say this?

00:57:46.000 You guys have heard of Origin of Species by Charles Darwin?

00:57:50.000 The one that they teach in our schools on evolution.

00:57:52.000 Did you ever hear the subtitle?

00:57:53.000 They've taken it out now because they don't want your children to see the original.

00:57:56.000 The origin of species by means of natural selection or the preservation of favored races in the struggle for life.

00:58:04.000 He was a racist.

00:58:05.000 And this is the whole idea.

00:58:07.000 You have got to understand this is good versus evil.

00:58:10.000 Satan comes to steal, kill, and destroy.

00:58:13.000 And he is manipulating the black community to eviscerate them.

00:58:16.000 I'm here to make sure they survive and are protected.

00:58:19.000 My.

00:58:21.000 So good.

00:58:23.000 I think if we had that message, our churches would be unified.

00:58:26.000 We can unify behind that.

00:58:28.000 You know, speaking of, he mentioned Margaret Sanger mentioned Planned Parenthood.

00:58:31.000 You know, we're looking at truly the generation that may see Roe v. Wade overturned, maybe even this year.

00:58:37.000 And it's powerful.

00:58:38.000 But I want to ask my pastors as well as Pastor Rob, how are we supposed to respond?

00:58:43.000 Because the reality is most people don't understand the overturning of Roe v. Wade does not just abolish abortion across the United States.

00:58:49.000 It actually turns it back to the states to be able to write legislation in order to protect the unborn.

00:58:55.000 And so this is big, but how do we as a church steward that and make sure that we truly do protect the unborn?

00:59:01.000 And what is our role as Christians?

00:59:04.000 So what Nate was just saying is that Roe versus Wade being overturned then goes back to the states to decide if it's legal or illegal, which about half of the states would stand on the side of it being illegal and the other half would stand legalizing it.

00:59:19.000 And so I believe it was when the Heartbeat Bill in Texas came out, about 40% of abortions in the state of Texas immediately dropped with just the heartbeat bill.

00:59:31.000 And so there is a lot of work to still be done, even after Roe v. Wade, because we are believing that nationally in America, it will be made illegal because no baby's blood should be spilt.

00:59:47.000 And God is not going to bless America with millions of baby's blood being spilled.

00:59:53.000 And so it is the body of Christ's time of, as I said before, for such a time as this, that it means that there will be babies that are being birthed that are unwanted.

01:00:03.000 And that means that adoption has to be a part of the solution.

01:00:07.000 And I believe that it is a part of even the prophetic word over this house of expanding territory, that the Lord is going to open Christians, going to open believers' hearts to be able to take in these children as our own, just like Christ, it says in the word of God, has adopted us into his family.

01:00:26.000 So huge solution there.

01:00:30.000 I would also add that churches need to adopt inner city churches and say, look, we're going to come alongside you to help raise up fathers for these children.

01:00:40.000 We're going to help so the government's not the only place you go for the decimation of your culture, that we come alongside them where the wealth exists.

01:00:49.000 Let's bring that into the inner city voluntarily, not by the means of the government, which has an agenda.

01:00:55.000 We're going in to save lives and we're going to raise families and protect them.

01:00:58.000 So I think the church has a role in that in a huge way.

01:01:01.000 And I just want to share what he's saying is the family dynamic is so important.

01:01:05.000 There is such a strategic attack of the breakdown of family of marriage right now.

01:01:11.000 And the, you know, Nate asked a couple questions ago how to protect the family unit.

01:01:16.000 You have to be the verse, the first voice of truth and educating your children in this hour.

01:01:23.000 If you think that you're preserving their innocence by waiting and waiting and waiting to have conversations on all of these topics, you're fooling yourselves because the world is put in every single arena to put its perverted truth into your children because they believe that if they can indoctrinate and pervert the minds of the next generation, that they have the future.

01:01:46.000 And so we started, I remember hearing the whispers of the Holy Spirit telling my daughter it's time to have a conversation about homosexuality, about this gender confusion that's taking place.

01:01:56.000 I took her out to lunch.

01:01:58.000 We had the conversation.

01:01:59.000 We haven't even had the birds and beast conversation, but she knows about abortion.

01:02:02.000 She knows about human trafficking.

01:02:04.000 She knows about all of these issues that we're talking about.

01:02:07.000 She sat there and she watched the presidential debates, paused it and said, how is that woman talking about women's right when she's for murdering all of these babies and half of them are women at eight years old?

01:02:23.000 And so we have to be the voices putting foundations of truth in our children.

01:02:28.000 So if they see two men making out on a TV that they're instantly disgusted instead of, oh, is that how it's supposed to be?

01:02:37.000 And so we have to have the conversations in our households.

01:02:40.000 We have to be bold outside of our houses and inside with our children.

01:02:44.000 I want to give Pastor Lennon a chance to answer, but I want to say this because of what she said.

01:02:48.000 I think it's vital that we hear this.

01:02:50.000 And this is for every mom and dad sitting in this room that you truly are the savior of America.

01:02:55.000 You right now, through the Holy Spirit's power in you, you are the savior because you have a power that no one else has, and that is educating your child.

01:03:03.000 And I just want to say this.

01:03:04.000 It is no one's responsibility except for you as a mom and dad to educate your child.

01:03:09.000 And if we don't educate our children, culture will do it for us.

01:03:13.000 And so it's time to rise up and time to take that stand.

01:03:16.000 So I just want to just speak to hearts for a second.

01:03:20.000 And there's individuals in this room that have had abortions.

01:03:24.000 There's every time we teach or minister on this, there's someone that's struggling or knows someone or someone that's struggling with sexual confusion or your identity.

01:03:34.000 And the Bible says this, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

01:03:39.000 So at no time in this conversation is God's love for you at a question.

01:03:45.000 He died on the cross.

01:03:47.000 He proved his love for you.

01:03:49.000 It's important that you understand this because sometimes you can hear this, or maybe there's people, the media in here that will write a fun article after this.

01:03:58.000 And you'll take comments and you'll spin them and you'll twist them.

01:04:02.000 And so I want you to hear this.

01:04:04.000 Jesus loves you.

01:04:07.000 No matter what you're dealing with, he proved his love for you.

01:04:12.000 What we're talking about is, do you love him?

01:04:16.000 That's what we're talking about.

01:04:18.000 And if we love him, then we follow him and we obey him, despite what the color of our skin is, despite what we've grown up hearing in our family, despite what the media is telling.

01:04:30.000 And I know we got to close this out tonight.

01:04:31.000 So here's what I'd say.

01:04:32.000 There's a story in the Bible in the book of Genesis where there's a man named Jacob and he was a conniver.

01:04:39.000 He was a deceiver.

01:04:41.000 But God blessed him.

01:04:42.000 And here's what he did.

01:04:44.000 His father-in-law turned on him.

01:04:47.000 And so he said, he worked for his father-in-law, I believe it was 14 years.

01:04:51.000 And he said, why don't you just give me all the spotted and speckled sheep?

01:04:54.000 And so his father-in-law stole all the spotted and speckled sheep from him.

01:04:58.000 And here's what he did is he took branches and he shaved them to make them spotted and speckle.

01:05:05.000 And he put them in front of the sheep watering trough.

01:05:08.000 And here's what happened.

01:05:09.000 As the sheep mated and they drank in front of these spotted and speckled branches, they gave birth to spotted and speckled sheep.

01:05:17.000 And here's the lesson.

01:05:19.000 You will give birth to what you see.

01:05:23.000 And we have put immorality in front of a generation.

01:05:28.000 And now they're giving birth to it.

01:05:30.000 They are becoming what they have been watching for the last 20 and 30 years.

01:05:37.000 And here's what we're saying is the church must put righteousness, must put holiness, must put fathers, must put mothers, must put godliness in front of a generation.

01:05:52.000 And what we will see is we will see young people in communities give birth to what we model for them.

01:05:59.000 Hey, can we give it up for our panel up here?

01:06:01.000 Are they not amazing?

01:06:03.000 Thank you so much, pastors.

01:06:05.000 Thank you so much, Charlie.

01:06:06.000 Amazing.

01:06:06.000 Thank you.

01:06:07.000 Thank you for being here tonight.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 22, 2022

The 3 Types of Churches—LIVE from Mercy Culture Church in Fort Worth, Texas

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