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00:01:09.000 All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:11.000 I'm Andrew Colvett, executive producer of this fine show, joined by Michael McCoy.

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00:01:21.000 And as well as Alex Clark, host of Culture Apothecary, which is powered by Turning Point USA.

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00:01:31.000 By the way, your show has just, I mean, I had zero faith in it.

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00:01:41.000 Can you believe it?

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00:01:42.000 I had faith.

00:01:43.000 And now you're like, you're now you're like a leading ma.

00:01:48.000 I mean, this has been true for a while.

00:01:49.000 So for those of in watching, you guys know this to be true, and it's been true for a long time, but you are like a leading Maha person.

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00:02:06.000 Thank you very much, guys.

00:02:07.000 Wow.

00:02:08.000 Really hard.

00:02:08.000 What a welcome.

00:02:09.000 Actually.

00:02:10.000 Thank you.

00:02:10.000 Surprisingly.

00:02:11.000 Yeah, I know.

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00:02:17.000 Alex is the best, and she is just wonderful, and she's on it.

00:02:22.000 She knows where the movement is going.

00:02:24.000 We are going to get into this Epstein smear job from the Democrats because it's important to hit this apps, actually.

00:02:33.000 And we're going to be talking about pop culture with Alex.

00:02:37.000 Because before you were Miss Maha, you were like poplitics and you were really focused on you still are tuned in.

00:02:46.000 I'm still tuned in.

00:02:47.000 Yeah.

00:02:47.000 So I have a lot to say about some happenings in pop culture.

00:02:50.000 And there are some stories that are actually important to understand if you're out there.

00:02:54.000 If you're just like a pure politics junkie, more like I would call, I would consider myself more of like the politics culture, you know, sociology junkie.

00:03:03.000 It's kind of like the confluence of where these macro trends are taking our culture.

00:03:07.000 But part of that is what's happening on TikTok and pop culture.

00:03:10.000 And we need to be sure that we're paying attention to this.

00:03:13.000 And we're going to also bring Daisy Phelps from our team in because, you know, she knows this stuff too.

00:03:19.000 Something about ballerina, ballerina.

00:03:22.000 Yeah, we're going to talk about Kelsey Ballerini's new song and what it means for the culture.

00:03:25.000 Yeah, Ballerina's.

00:03:26.000 Very deep stuff.

00:03:27.000 Anyway, so I want to get in first, though, with this, what's happening with this Epstein thing.

00:03:31.000 So I actually, we were going to bring it up yesterday, but there was things coming out that I wanted to make sure that we waited on just because I was frankly a little distracted with H-1Bs, which I think is a way bigger deal than what some emails that the Democrats released.

00:03:47.000 So essentially, here's the backstory.

00:03:49.000 James Comer had subpoenaed these documents in, I think, in August from the estate of Jeffrey Epstein.

00:03:56.000 So here's the deal.

00:03:58.000 So they subpoenaed these documents.

00:03:59.000 They get them during the shutdown, and the Democrats end up releasing select emails, okay?

00:04:09.000 And when they do this, and they're redacting the victim's name.

00:04:13.000 Now, the Democrats are going to say they were mandated to do this, but these documents already existed elsewhere.

00:04:19.000 We already knew who the quote-unquote victim was.

00:04:22.000 And she was a victim, Virginia Guffery.

00:04:25.000 But we already knew because they were corroborated with other document drops.

00:04:29.000 So we knew this is Virginia Guffery.

00:04:30.000 And the emails go like, I want you to realize this is Jeffrey Epstein to G-Max.

00:04:37.000 I'm not exactly sure who this is, but I want you to realize that the dog that hasn't barked is Trump.

00:04:43.000 Victim, Virginia Guffrey, spent hours at my house with him.

00:04:48.000 He has never once been mentioned, police chief, et cetera, et cetera.

00:04:54.000 And I believe this could be Wolf, if I'm not mistaken, which is a New York Times guy that was basically acted as a consultant.

00:05:02.000 So you got a journalist, quote unquote, working with Jeffrey Epstein.

00:05:06.000 So another one, victim at Mar-a-Lago.

00:05:08.000 Trump said he asked me to resign, never a member.

00:05:11.000 Of course, he knew about the girls as he asked Ghelane to stop.

00:05:16.000 So, okay, Trump asked.

00:05:17.000 This is from 2019.

00:05:18.000 That's another one they released.

00:05:20.000 And then Michael Wolf. 0.99

00:05:22.000 I think you should let him hang himself in reference to Trump.

00:05:25.000 This is from 2015 to Jeffrey Epstein.

00:05:27.000 If he says he hasn't been on the plane or to the house, then that gives you a valuable PR and political currency.

00:05:33.000 You can hang him in a way that potentially generates a positive benefit for you.

00:05:37.000 Or if it really looks like he could win, you could save him, generating a debt.

00:05:42.000 Of course, it is possible that when asked, he'll say Jeffrey is a great guy and has gotten a raw deal and is a victim of political correctness, which is to be outlawed in a Trump regime.

00:05:52.000 So this is what's wild.

00:05:53.000 So we get all of this stuff.

00:05:54.000 Hey, Blake, are you there?

00:05:55.000 Can you hear us?

00:05:56.000 There he is.

00:05:58.000 I don't know.

00:05:59.000 Okay.

00:05:59.000 Is it working out?

00:06:00.000 All right.

00:06:00.000 Excellent.

00:06:01.000 Yeah.

00:06:03.000 We're having us.

00:06:04.000 Is it Michael McCoy now?

00:06:07.000 I feel like I don't even know him anymore.

00:06:09.000 All right.

00:06:09.000 Hold on.

00:06:09.000 We're going to save that for later.

00:06:11.000 We're going to save that for later.

00:06:14.000 So basically, here's the deal, though, Blake.

00:06:16.000 These emails were selectively released by the Democrats, but the victim we already knew was Virginia Guffrey.

00:06:23.000 And here's what we know about Virginia Guffery.

00:06:25.000 They redacted her name.

00:06:27.000 She has exonerated President Trump, saying that she never saw him do anything.

00:06:32.000 She actually, her dad is now on record saying that she wanted him to be present because he was going to release the information on Epstein.

00:06:39.000 This is a complete and utter nothing burger from what I can tell.

00:06:45.000 It's not a total nothing burger because what we are also getting is, and this is like really funny, we're getting a lot of other emails.

00:06:52.000 So we're getting, you know, Larry Summers, the former president of Harvard, and we're getting his emails with Epstein, which, if nothing else, are really funny.

00:07:01.000 There's a few exchanges that are very funny.

00:07:03.000 One is where he sends a message to Epstein where he says, like, is it true that Donald Trump uses cocaine?

00:07:11.000 And Epstein just replies, hey, could I have Harvard give a guided tour from the development office, the fundraising office?

00:07:20.000 Could they give a guided tour of Harvard to this Rothschild heir that I know?

00:07:24.000 And he's like, oh, yeah, yeah, I could set that up.

00:07:26.000 And so that was very funny.

00:07:27.000 And then there's also one where it's Larry Summers.

00:07:31.000 There's really no other way to describe this.

00:07:33.000 He's, as a 60-plus-year-old male, is talking about how he's trying to date this woman.

00:07:39.000 And she's giving him these mixed signals.

00:07:42.000 And like, oh, she like invited this other guy.

00:07:44.000 It's like reading an eighth grader or something talk about women.

00:07:49.000 And it's the former president of Harvard who, I can't remember, did he get a Nobel Prize in economics?

00:07:54.000 Something like that.

00:07:55.000 So it's not a nothing burger.

00:07:56.000 A lot of funny emails that we should highlight instead.

00:07:59.000 Well, Larry Summers was the director of the National Economic Council and the chief White House economic advisor during Obama.

00:08:06.000 So he's not, he's not nobody.

00:08:08.000 And actually, he predicted rightly that the overstimulation of the economy under Biden was going to spark inflation.

00:08:14.000 So he's not a dumb guy, but these are people that Epstein was interacting with at a massive level.

00:08:21.000 But I want to play some of these clips here for us because now we have a ton of new information about just how much of an own this was.

00:08:34.000 Let's go ahead and play 288.

00:08:36.000 She wanted Trump to be president.

00:08:37.000 It was because he campaigned on releasing the Epstein files.

00:08:41.000 And she was excited about that.

00:08:43.000 So, yes, we talked about Trump a lot as a crusader to release the Epstein files in that sense.

00:08:50.000 She was very excited that he had made that one of the main planks of his campaign and she felt validated by it.

00:08:56.000 But she never talked about him in any sense that he was involved in any of this.

00:09:00.000 No, no, he was not.

00:09:02.000 As far as she knew, and again, she was there for two plus years.

00:09:06.000 But as far as she knew, he was not involved in the ring of trafficking that Epstein was working.

00:09:15.000 Yeah, so that is, it's not Guffrey talking herself.

00:09:18.000 It's someone talking about her.

00:09:19.000 So get me the name of who that is, by the way, guys.

00:09:22.000 But this is somebody obviously in the know that knew Virginia Guffrey and basically said she wanted to elect Trump.

00:09:30.000 Trump was not implicated in any of this scandal.

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00:10:48.000 So we're talking about the Epstein nothing burger.

00:10:52.000 I'm going to call it a nothing burger, but Blake is right.

00:10:54.000 There are funny and interesting things like, you know, Larry Summers exchanges.

00:10:59.000 There's also accusations by Jeffrey Epstein that he was somehow spending Thanksgiving with President Trump.

00:11:07.000 But then we look at the flight logs and the travel logs during 2017 when this allegation is made and President Trump is doing official business.

00:11:14.000 He's also spending Thanksgiving at Mar-a-Lago, which Jeffrey Epstein was banned from Mar-a-Lago in 2007.

00:11:20.000 Which leads to the whole point is that this all reads as some elaborate hoax.

00:11:27.000 Jeffrey Epstein's obviously lying.

00:11:29.000 He hates Donald Trump because Donald Trump was one of the few people in this elite upper tier of society that basically called him out as the creep and the criminal that he was, banned him from Mar-a-Lago.

00:11:40.000 Alex Clark, what do you think?

00:11:42.000 Well, that's exactly what I was thinking the whole time you were saying this. 0.97

00:11:44.000 Was like, why is he writing this in the emails when everyone in this circle of Palm Beach knows that Trump was like the one person to go toe-to-toe with him and be like, you're a weirdo. 0.94

00:11:56.000 You know, stop hitting on these young girls. 0.97

00:12:00.000 And I think President Trump is a father.

00:12:02.000 He's very protective of his daughters.

00:12:05.000 I think he could see him for what he was from the get-go and was very quick to call that out.

00:12:11.000 Well, maybe not from the get-go, but eventually he figured it out.

00:12:13.000 And Trump, he said he got pissed off because they were stealing his employees from Mar-a-Lago.

00:12:19.000 He didn't like that.

00:12:19.000 And it like creeped him out.

00:12:21.000 And he warned him a couple times to knock it off and get out of there.

00:12:24.000 Yeah.

00:12:25.000 I mean, I look, I keep drawing the line back to 2024.

00:12:30.000 You know, they tried to put President Trump in jail for 500 years.

00:12:34.000 They tried to cripple his empire.

00:12:36.000 They tried to cripple him financially.

00:12:38.000 They came after his family, tried to put his family in jail. 0.80

00:12:40.000 When none of that worked out, they tried to kill him.

00:12:43.000 This is like the fifth time on the Epstein stuff with President Trump.

00:12:47.000 The walls are closing in.

00:12:48.000 The walls aren't closing in.

00:12:49.000 But now, no, no, no, this is really important, though.

00:12:51.000 Like, there's actual work being done.

00:12:53.000 I just pulled this up.

00:12:54.000 Operation Dirtbag, ICE arrests over 150 criminal aliens and sex predators in Florida crackdown.

00:13:03.000 That was today.

00:13:03.000 That was this week that that happened.

00:13:05.000 So this administration and President Trump are going after actual sex predators.

00:13:10.000 But you didn't hear about this.

00:13:10.000 This is the fifth time around on this.

00:13:12.000 You didn't hear about it on purpose.

00:13:13.000 This whole thing is Operation Get Distracted because they lost bad on the shutdown.

00:13:19.000 And so they held this thing.

00:13:21.000 They put it in their pocket.

00:13:22.000 They didn't coordinate with the Republicans on the House Oversight Committee.

00:13:26.000 None of that.

00:13:27.000 They just released three selective emails that all sort of made Trump like death by innuendo is how Bill O'Reilly's putting it.

00:13:34.000 And that's exactly right because here we have Ghelane Maxwell said Trump didn't do anything.

00:13:38.000 You had Professor Dershowitz who talked with Epstein and said, did Trump do anything?

00:13:46.000 No, he didn't do anything.

00:13:47.000 And you had Virginia Guffery say Trump didn't do anything.

00:13:49.000 This is all a cheap optics scam.

00:13:52.000 And guess who's running with it?

00:13:54.000 Well, sadly, we have to talk about it because we have to clear President Trump's name.

00:13:58.000 But guess who else is talking about it?

00:13:59.000 All the media apparatchics across the spectrum.

00:14:02.000 Guess what?

00:14:03.000 They're not talking about how the Democrats got absolutely hosed in the shutdown.

00:14:07.000 They dragged the country through the mud for 40 plus days.

00:14:10.000 Guess what else they did?

00:14:11.000 They lost the economy, about 1.5 trillion in GDP just by shutting down the government.

00:14:16.000 All of that carnage is now, they instantly flip the page like it never happened because they lost bad.

00:14:21.000 Yeah, and we also need to just kind of acknowledge that this is Democrats taking advantage of conservatives in our infighting right now.

00:14:27.000 We have a fractured coalition.

00:14:29.000 There's a lot of infighting on the right.

00:14:31.000 We just got pumbled in the most recent election.

00:14:34.000 We're not looking great coming into the midterms.

00:14:37.000 And so this is the left coming in at a fragile time for us on the right.

00:14:42.000 But a fragile time for them too, Mikey.

00:14:43.000 That's the fragile time for them too.

00:14:45.000 So this is them trying to clear up the government shutdown L that they took.

00:14:49.000 And then on top of that, this is them trying to take advantage of us in our infighting.

00:14:55.000 All right.

00:14:55.000 I totally agree.

00:14:57.000 But they're experts at it and they have the media apparatchics that'll play ball.

00:15:01.000 I'm going to play Clutt 287.

00:15:02.000 This is Jasmine Crockett getting owned on CNN about this redaction that was completely, it was all for show.

00:15:10.000 It's just to make it look serious.

00:15:12.000 287.

00:15:13.000 The email right here on your screen.

00:15:15.000 She wrote a book, as you know, and she did not accuse him of any wrongdoing.

00:15:19.000 What do you make of that?

00:15:19.000 And can you confirm that?

00:15:20.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:15:22.000 Obviously, it's redacted who the victim is.

00:15:25.000 So I won't necessarily take the Republicans' word on who it is that's redacted.

00:15:30.000 And I don't know why they would necessarily redact someone's name who is deceased at this point.

00:15:37.000 The Democrats did that, though.

00:15:38.000 The Democrats were deactive.

00:15:39.000 No, no, I understand, but I'm just saying, like, our biggest concern is to actually make sure that we are protecting victims.

00:15:47.000 And obviously, she wrote a book.

00:15:49.000 She told her truth.

00:15:51.000 Wait, so then she's admitting that we're telling the truth.

00:15:54.000 That was weird.

00:15:55.000 She's like, they're not telling the truth, but then, like, it can be a little bit more than that.

00:15:56.000 She told her, that was left-coded language.

00:15:59.000 She told her truth.

00:16:00.000 Okay.

00:16:01.000 So it's not necessarily Jasmine Crockett's truth, is what she's trying to say.

00:16:04.000 But listen, she makes my head hurt.

00:16:06.000 Anytime Jasmine Crockett gets owned, I'm just, I count it a win.

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00:17:15.000 So we added yet another Daisy Phelps, who is like our resident, when Alex is not here.

00:17:22.000 She's our resident pop culture expert.

00:17:24.000 You and Emma, you keep us informed.

00:17:27.000 So there's, so this is the theme, which is ironic coming after Jeffrey Epstein, like the most anti-family topic you can imagine.

00:17:36.000 And yet here we pivot to Hollywood pop culture.

00:17:39.000 And there is a theme emerging, Alex, that some of the brightest stars that are, you know, young stars are now defending the idea of family and they're fighting against this prevalent anti-family messaging that we've always associated with Hollywood.

00:17:55.000 Am I summing it up somewhat accurately here?

00:17:58.000 I was so surprised the songs that are coming out, the statements that are coming out from A-list stars defending having children, slamming hedonism, essentially, and talking about how they just want to have, you know, kids and there's nothing wrong with it.

00:17:58.000 Yeah, you are.

00:18:19.000 And in fact, saying it's weird if you brag about not having children.

00:18:24.000 I mean, this is a total, complete 360 from the messaging that we've had the last 10 years.

00:18:31.000 And it seems like overnight this year, there's been a shift.

00:18:35.000 Well, and I think, so a couple weeks ago, we had talked about when the member called in, there was a new Taylor Swift song about how she just wanted to have kids and settle down.

00:18:42.000 And people were saying that was Trad wife or alt-right propaganda.

00:18:47.000 So we had talked about that a little bit, but I think that what's even a bigger story than that, everyone's talking about this Kelsey Ballerini song that just came out.

00:18:55.000 And I texted Emma Kay as soon as this came out and I was like, I would pay money for Charlie to be able to hear this song because it's not only someone who just in Hollywood is now saying they focused too much on their career.

00:19:07.000 Now they want to have a family.

00:19:08.000 It's someone who just previously in the last couple of years was saying they didn't want to have a family, had a very public divorce, trashing her ex-husband very publicly because he wanted a family and she did.

00:19:19.000 So we have that clip of Alex or of Kelsey Ballerini on I think I got it.

00:19:25.000 It's 276.

00:19:27.000 Who brought up the idea of divorce first? 0.99

00:19:32.000 How did you begin that conversation?

00:19:35.000 I was realizing that I wasn't ready for kids.

00:19:38.000 And that's a fundamental difference.

00:19:39.000 That was something that we had talked about early on.

00:19:41.000 And that was something that I was changing on because he was ready.

00:19:44.000 He was like, I don't want to be an old dad is what he kept saying.

00:19:46.000 And I was like, I'm not, I just am not there yet.

00:19:48.000 And I can't, I can't do that to like save this and give you something that I'm not ready for.

00:19:53.000 Like, I just can't do that to myself.

00:19:55.000 I took him out to dinner and I was like, for my 30th birthday, I want to freeze my eggs.

00:20:00.000 And it was not a good day.

00:20:01.000 And I think that was when I was like, there's a fundamental difference here.

00:20:07.000 So that was a couple years ago, and it was very public.

00:20:11.000 And then she put out a song just recently called I Sit in Parks.

00:20:17.000 And it is really sad.

00:20:18.000 So I know you've listened to it.

00:20:20.000 We have the lyrics.

00:20:21.000 Yeah, this is, this is crazy, actually.

00:20:22.000 So 266, you can throw up the lyrics.

00:20:24.000 She said, did I miss it?

00:20:26.000 By now, is it a lucid dream?

00:20:28.000 Is it my fault for chasing things a body clock doesn't wait for? 1.00

00:20:33.000 I did the damn tour. 0.99

00:20:34.000 It's what I wanted, what I got. 1.00

00:20:36.000 I spun around and then I stopped and wonder if I missed the mark.

00:20:39.000 And she even in the second verse talks about how she's hitting her vape, but she's dreaming about a nursery with Noah's Ark.

00:20:46.000 And Rolling Stone says she's on the right track, but she's refilling her Lexapro.

00:20:50.000 So it is bleak.

00:20:52.000 Completely a one.

00:20:53.000 Like I, and we've said this to Charlie for a long time about Taylor Swift.

00:20:57.000 She's always said that she's wanted this thing.

00:20:59.000 I think this is an even bigger story because it's someone who the complete opposite was saying that this is what she wants.

00:21:04.000 She wants her career to be.

00:21:06.000 She doesn't want to be married. 0.99

00:21:07.000 Yes.

00:21:07.000 So she straight up divorced a dude because she didn't want to have kids.

00:21:10.000 For selfish reasons, just selfish, purely selfish reasons.

00:21:13.000 There's no biblical grounds for divorce there. 0.56

00:21:16.000 You know, saying you want kids and I don't.

00:21:18.000 Only for a couple years later for her to say, oh, actually, I think I do want kids.

00:21:23.000 And this is.

00:21:24.000 She could call them back up and be like, well, now she's dating Chase Stokes.

00:21:27.000 Which I think they're back together.

00:21:28.000 Yeah.

00:21:28.000 They were just spotted.

00:21:29.000 Which I have a whole theory on that.

00:21:30.000 I have a whole theory on that.

00:21:31.000 I don't even know who Chase Stokes is.

00:21:32.000 I don't know.

00:21:32.000 Outer Banks.

00:21:33.000 Outer Banks actor on Netflix, big teen drama series.

00:21:39.000 I have a whole, so can I just say something that's really a wild theory about this?

00:21:44.000 They've been dating for three years, broke up like the day after Charlie was murdered.

00:21:48.000 And then now they're back together two months later.

00:21:50.000 My theory, as soon as I saw this, because I believe he had commented something positive about Charlie, and I think maybe it was deleted or something right in those like first few hours after his death.

00:22:02.000 I don't know.

00:22:03.000 Obviously, we don't know for sure, but I have a hunch that maybe he came out and defended Charlie and said that this was wrong and he didn't deserve to be killed.

00:22:12.000 And I think Kelsey freaked out because she is a huge lib and I think she dumped him. 1.00

00:22:17.000 And now she's sitting in parks in Nashville and she's watching all these young, gorgeous families where the husband is strong and doting on his wife and they look so happy and they're sitting on the blanket playing with their children and she's sitting there hitting a vape being like, I guess I got to go refill my Lexapro prescription.

00:22:30.000 Wow, this is like super dark and depressing.

00:22:32.000 Maybe I jumped the gun on this breakup.

00:22:34.000 So now they're back together.

00:22:36.000 I just wonder if it had to do a little bit with Charlie.

00:22:39.000 But beyond that, I think this is so, this is such an important story to tell what she's doing because we do not set young women up for success when it comes to motherhood. 0.53

00:22:53.000 We should be talking to them when it comes to chasing your dreams and what career you want to have.

00:22:57.000 We should be having these conversations in high school, letting them know, hey, it's okay if you want to chase a career.

00:23:03.000 However, you should know that statistically, statistically, you are going to want to have children.

00:23:10.000 And that if you have a career when you have children, 65% of women will drop out of the workforce completely once they have kids or they want to go down to part-time. 1.00

00:23:19.000 So if you know that statistically going into choosing your career path, choosing your degree, what career path or what degree would you choose that would be more conducive to motherhood?

00:23:28.000 You have, this is just the majority.

00:23:29.000 This is what it's going to be like for the majority of women. 1.00

00:23:32.000 You're terrifying me right now.

00:23:33.000 Why?

00:23:35.000 Because I'm Less than two months away from giving birth.

00:23:39.000 Andrew's terrified hearing that 65% of women don't get a business.

00:23:42.000 Wait, this stat again, read it back to me.

00:23:44.000 Don't worry.

00:23:45.000 Say that one more time.

00:23:45.000 We have pregnant women all over turning point right now.

00:23:47.000 It's like a total, I don't know what you want to call it, but it's, it's, we're going to be in trouble.

00:23:54.000 No, this is a good thing.

00:23:55.000 It's a great thing to celebrate.

00:23:56.000 More babies.

00:23:57.000 It really is.

00:23:57.000 I feel like the luckiest person in the world, especially.

00:24:00.000 I think we even have the picture when I told Charlie that I was pregnant.

00:24:03.000 305.

00:24:04.000 305, if we want to put that up, but I've been so, so grateful.

00:24:09.000 Charlie's smiling.

00:24:11.000 Erica had asked me the day before, and I was like, no, no, because I knew I wanted to tell them both together.

00:24:16.000 So they were both pretty shocked.

00:24:17.000 But I just am so grateful because our message is all about families, families, families.

00:24:22.000 But I also have loved and still love my career.

00:24:26.000 And so having a boss was so ecstatic for both and like was so committed to making sure that I could and will still do both is the dream.

00:24:35.000 But most people don't have that.

00:24:37.000 And so I think it's really important that these huge celebrities like Timothy Chalamet saying, bragging about having kids and how much time afforded to them to do other stuff.

00:24:45.000 It's bleak that people are bragging about not having kids.

00:24:47.000 Yeah, Timothy Chalamet, actually, I don't know much about him.

00:24:50.000 I will just say he's super talented.

00:24:53.000 He's 10.

00:24:54.000 But also, it's actually pronounced Timote.

00:24:57.000 You guys are pronouncing his name.

00:24:59.000 I think he's French.

00:25:00.000 He is French.

00:25:01.000 I thought he's American.

00:25:02.000 Well, I think he's.

00:25:04.000 But here's what's important.

00:25:06.000 It's so solid.

00:25:07.000 Is this crash course in reality that kind of knocks women on the head once they're in their 30s if they purposefully chose a life of pursuing career and selfish pursuits above having a family and children? 0.99

00:25:20.000 It comes for everybody.

00:25:22.000 If you're a woman, the clock comes for us all.

00:25:22.000 Okay.

00:25:25.000 And so with Kelsey, she is really, it's important to make sure that she understands that feminism lied to her. 1.00

00:25:36.000 She wasn't given true, she wasn't really given informed consent on what she was choosing and what she could potentially.

00:25:43.000 Now, there's still time for her to get pregnant and have a family, but they weren't honest with her about how you can have it all as a woman. 0.94

00:25:50.000 But what we're missing when we're talking to young women is telling them it just may not be all at the same time.

00:25:55.000 And Erica said that at YWS this year.

00:25:55.000 Yes.

00:25:58.000 That was a big, a big part of her and Charlie talking about it.

00:26:01.000 Charlie would be so fired up on this when you said the clock is ticking.

00:26:06.000 I mean, it's true.

00:26:07.000 It's a biological clock.

00:26:08.000 Everyone has it.

00:26:09.000 But I also think, and that's what we're seeing with Kelsey Ballerinho.

00:26:11.000 She's in her 30s.

00:26:12.000 It's also like an emotional clock for women that no matter how much you push it off, push it off, this is something that you were made to do. 1.00

00:26:18.000 And when you purposefully put it off, so when you are not living a godly season of singleness where you are dedicating your life to the Lord and you are praying for a future family and all of that, that's different than purposely choosing singleness, okay, for selfish reasons.

00:26:35.000 When that time comes and you're realizing, oh, snap, like I have very small, a very small window here to have a family, you are picking a mate then and who's going to be the future husband of your children or who's going to be the father of your children under pressure.

00:26:50.000 You're not going to pick, I don't think, as thoughtful of a partner as you would when you have more time and you're in your 20s, you know, if God allows and you meet that person in your life.

00:27:00.000 Again, I feel bad for her first husband because he was right the entire time and she blew him off.

00:27:08.000 And now look at the mess that she's made. 1.00

00:27:11.000 That's sad to me.

00:27:13.000 I wanted to play a clip from Charlie.

00:27:15.000 Yeah, we should.

00:27:16.000 Yeah, this is in September of 2025.

00:27:19.000 So just before he was assassinated, talking about this incredibly important topic to his heart, 253.

00:27:26.000 Children is more important than having a good career.

00:27:28.000 I also have an amazingly blessed career.

00:27:28.000 I have two kids.

00:27:30.000 Our podcast is doing great, but my kids matter way more than how many social media followers that I have.

00:27:35.000 And I would also tell young ladies, you can always go back to your career later, that there is a window where you primarily should pursue marriage and having children.

00:27:43.000 And that is a beautiful thing.

00:27:44.000 This is not about shaming.

00:27:46.000 It's not about ridiculing.

00:27:47.000 It's not about moralizing.

00:27:48.000 It's about lifting up what is beautiful.

00:27:50.000 And by the way, when you look at the mental health data, young women are not okay.

00:27:54.000 Half, that is right.

00:27:55.000 Half of liberal white women say that they have some form of mental health issue that has been diagnosed by a doctor.

00:28:02.000 What is the number one thing that mental health professionals will tell you when it comes to mental health issues?

00:28:06.000 Loneliness does not help.

00:28:08.000 So maybe we should solve the loneliness epidemic by encouraging young ladies to get married and have children. 0.98

00:28:13.000 It's good for America and it's good for our future.

00:28:13.000 It's good for them.

00:28:16.000 Boom.

00:28:17.000 I love that.

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00:29:22.000 Alex, you had a thought off of the back of Charlie's.

00:29:25.000 That's an amazing clip, by the way.

00:29:26.000 I love that.

00:29:28.000 What did that trigger for you?

00:29:29.000 I think what's important to talk about when it comes to women and this idea of career versus family is that we are told another lie that we are told by the feminist movement is that you can have a family anytime you want.

00:29:42.000 That is not true.

00:29:44.000 We cannot guarantee that.

00:29:46.000 Even with different fertility technologies, it is not a guarantee that you will get pregnant with IVF.

00:29:51.000 It is not a guarantee that you will get pregnant in any other way.

00:29:54.000 And so you're telling women to wait till the very, very end of their fertility window to then attempt to try to have a family.

00:30:00.000 Meanwhile, they've had a decade plus on birth control.

00:30:03.000 You have no idea what hormonal issues are brewing underneath because you've been ignoring it and stifling any symptoms that you might be dealing with to let you know something's going on with the birth control.

00:30:13.000 So then when it is time to get pregnant and have a family, you can't. 0.82

00:30:16.000 You don't know why.

00:30:17.000 You're spending $30,000 on IVF that may or may not work.

00:30:20.000 It's just when Charlie talked about the importance of family, and I know that made a lot of women sensitive, he wasn't doing it to be a bully.

00:30:30.000 He was doing it from such a good, pure place in his heart, saying, I have experienced the best thing in life.

00:30:36.000 I don't want you to miss it.

00:30:37.000 It was a fatherly, loving warning to young women because he loves you so much that he's telling you the truth that culture isn't willing to tell you.

00:30:48.000 And you know what?

00:30:49.000 As much as I think it's frustrating and I disagree with Kelsey Ballarini's reason for divorce, that's great that she made this song because she's being open and honest about maybe I made a mistake and that could encourage other young women to think twice about their own selfish pursuits and mistakes that they could be making, putting career above a family when you have a very small window to be able to have a family.

00:31:10.000 Wow.

00:31:11.000 Well said.

00:31:12.000 I love, no, but I love what you said that he, because listen, Charlie used to complain when he would talk about this topic because inevitably it would cause this huge uproar and he'd get he'd get write-ups on like on these like pop culture outlets, you know, that we usually didn't get write-ups on because, you know, oftentimes it would just be political media that would pick up Charlie stories.

00:31:34.000 When he would talk about this, it would become this huge uproar.

00:31:37.000 And he was, and I remember we actually have the clip.

00:31:40.000 It's basically the same thing he said, but he went on Laura, I think, two nights before he was killed.

00:31:46.000 And he said that, and Laura threw him this question because it was becoming like this big uproar again.

00:31:50.000 And he's like, you could see him almost like roll his eyes.

00:31:52.000 Like, every time I talk about this, Laura, like, it becomes a huge thing.

00:31:55.000 But I love what you said because he wasn't trying to be a bully.

00:31:58.000 He was trying to say, I want the best for you.

00:32:00.000 And if I don't just tell it to you straight, like, you're not going to like hear it because nobody else is willing to do this because of the uproar.

00:32:08.000 I'm willing to take the slings and arrows, and this is the truth. 0.98

00:32:10.000 I thought Joe Bob really did a great job yesterday on the show, too, talking about this.

00:32:14.000 He said, We started dating at 19, got married way later, and we had kids way later after that.

00:32:19.000 He goes, Once I had kids, I realized that how much life just doesn't really matter, and that is what matters in life.

00:32:24.000 He goes, I would sooner go work at a Costco if it meant that I could be with my kids more often.

00:32:30.000 And like that statement from Joe Bob made me go home until Elizabeth was like, We should get some of that.

00:32:35.000 Oh, we're going to have more recorded after this.

00:32:39.000 So I'm going to get into this, and I want to bring Blake into this conversation as well here.

00:32:42.000 So, Blake, if you're listening, we've got this, it's kind of like a viral story.

00:32:47.000 Mike, you set it up.

00:32:48.000 It's a Walmart wedding ring story.

00:32:50.000 Okay, so there's this couple, and he buys, it was like a $900 ring from, was it from Walmart?

00:32:56.000 Yeah, from Walmart.

00:32:56.000 Yeah.

00:32:57.000 He proposes to his girlfriend, asking for her to be his fiancé, and she says no.

00:33:03.000 And then there's all we get is just this out-of-context screenshot of text messages between that.

00:33:09.000 Okay, that drives me nuts.

00:33:10.000 I'm just going to start by saying that any out-of-context message, like I will not give too intense of an opinion until I receive more context.

00:33:19.000 But I'm Alex, you want to kind of discuss this?

00:33:23.000 They read these messages to me.

00:33:25.000 I can't see them.

00:33:26.000 Yeah.

00:33:28.000 You had them up just a second ago.

00:33:29.000 So the boy says, I just got to ask Manny, I guess that's her girl, what happened tonight?

00:33:35.000 I've been planning this proposal for over a year.

00:33:38.000 You really told me no in front of everyone.

00:33:39.000 That crushed me.

00:33:41.000 She said, it's not even about embarrassing you.

00:33:42.000 It's about you not listening.

00:33:44.000 I've told you the kind of ring I wanted more than once.

00:33:46.000 And you showed up with something from Walmart.

00:33:48.000 He said, so this is about the ring?

00:33:50.000 I still spent $900 regardless of where I got the ring.

00:33:52.000 I put so much effort into this for you, for us.

00:33:55.000 She said, Tyler, if you knew what I wanted and still chose to do what was easiest, tells me that you don't really hear me.

00:34:00.000 I want to feel chosen, not just proposed to.

00:34:03.000 He said, wow, so everything I just did didn't matter to you, huh?

00:34:06.000 She said, it mattered, but not enough for me to say yes to a forever.

00:34:09.000 I'm not sure you're ready for.

00:34:10.000 I think there's a lot of things happening here.

00:34:13.000 There's a lot going on here.

00:34:13.000 Yeah, go ahead.

00:34:15.000 The number one thing is, the number one problem here is, did the guy post all of this online?

00:34:21.000 I think the girl got the screenshot is from the girl's perspective.

00:34:21.000 We don't have to do that.

00:34:24.000 Yeah, it's her.

00:34:25.000 So it's the girl herself.

00:34:26.000 Oh, okay.

00:34:27.000 The villain here is whoever, the villain here is whoever posted these screenshots onto the internet.

00:34:27.000 Okay.

00:34:33.000 Because when that much of your life is being when you're, when your thought to something super personal and just super between two people like this, is to blast it on the internet.

00:34:45.000 It's just wrong like no.

00:34:47.000 The purpose of this is not to get points for who's right in this argument.

00:34:51.000 The purpose of a potential marriage is not your social media likes or or anything like that.

00:34:57.000 And, more generally, this is a controversial take I have because I guess he got shot down in public, is it maybe?

00:35:04.000 I don't like public proposals, agree I I?

00:35:04.000 This is weird.

00:35:08.000 They rub me the wrong way it's.

00:35:10.000 It's making an event out of it when it should be.

00:35:13.000 It should be between the two of you and if they wouldn't say yes in private, then this is not a thing you should do Said, Blake, you would hope that the breaking off of a relationship that's serious enough to get to the point of engagement would be a little more heartbreaking instead of I'm just gonna post this online.

00:35:34.000 And we don't know all the facts, we don't know what happened between the two of them, but I can't tell if people are upset that the ring is from Walmart or if they're upset that she said no in public or that she's just posting these messages online.

00:35:47.000 I can't really tell what the issue is here, other than this couple should not be getting married.

00:35:52.000 Mikey has a take that I think will inspire us blowing the break again because then we're gonna argue about it.

00:35:57.000 Well, I don't know if I still agree with my old take because Blake, the real, you know, she her posting this is the problem.

00:36:05.000 All right, but what if she's not a bad person?

00:36:07.000 But let's pretend this was just leaked.

00:36:10.000 I think from a view here, a lot of this is out of context, but she probably told her boyfriend many times what she wanted.

00:36:18.000 And it could have been a $900 ring, but it could have been a very specific cut.

00:36:23.000 And that's probably maybe her personality. 1.00

00:36:25.000 Maybe her love language is gifts.

00:36:27.000 And she just really wanted something specific.

00:36:29.000 And it's him not listening to her, having said that 200 times that actually made her up.

00:36:35.000 Because she does make the point.

00:36:36.000 It's that you didn't listen.

00:36:38.000 You didn't listen.

00:36:39.000 What do you think of that?

00:36:40.000 Well, I'm not married.

00:36:41.000 I don't want to wade into this territory.

00:36:43.000 I feel if you're fixating on the ring, that's a problem.

00:36:47.000 Like, it's not the problem.

00:36:48.000 But when she's saying it, she's not fixating on the ring.

00:36:51.000 She's not fixating on the ring.

00:36:52.000 She's fixating on the fact he didn't listen to her.

00:36:54.000 So maybe, maybe, and Alex can speak to this.

00:36:56.000 Like, Alex has all silver jewelry on right now.

00:36:58.000 I have all gold jewelry on.

00:37:00.000 I know Mikey and Andrew, you both went through this when you both proposed to your wives.

00:37:03.000 Like, there is a specific color that each woman wears. 1.00

00:37:07.000 And if I, if Luke had gotten down on money and posted me with a silver ring, I still would say yes, but I would say, hey, I've told you a thousand times I only wear gold jewelry.

00:37:15.000 I'm not sure where this went wrong.

00:37:16.000 Maybe that goes into it.

00:37:18.000 I would have a pit in my stomach if someone proposed to me with a gold ring because that's not my color.

00:37:22.000 And I would have like said a million times.

00:37:24.000 But you would have said yes.

00:37:26.000 Maybe that's the issue.

00:37:27.000 What?

00:37:27.000 You still would have said yes?

00:37:28.000 I would have been like, yes, but I would have this like very disturbed part of me that's like, is this the man for me?

00:37:36.000 If he literally can't listen to the most basic direction.

00:37:38.000 Not even listening, but like observing you.

00:37:40.000 You would hope that you maybe.

00:37:41.000 Here's the thing.

00:37:42.000 Most couples, when they get to this point in their relationship, they do discuss the ring.

00:37:47.000 And if he just completely tuned that out and went to Walmart just to get it done and focused on the like show of it, I can understand why she's a little upset.

00:37:55.000 But you don't post the chats.

00:37:57.000 Stop posting text messages that are private for the love.

00:38:00.000 And that goes for all of you out there, too.

00:38:02.000 You know who you are.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - November 13, 2025

The A-List Stars Admit Defeat to Charlie

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