The Charlie Kirk Show - The Art of Not Being Indicted with Rep. Jim Jordan

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00:00:01.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk show, did Trump just dodge an indictment?

00:00:06.000 The art of the deal of not getting indicted.

00:00:09.000 It's very interesting.

00:00:10.000 And then Jim Jordan joins us for the latest on his dispute with Alvin Bragg, Weaponization of Government Committee, and ESG.

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00:01:26.000 What a week this has been, starting with the rumors that Donald Trump was going to be indicted.

00:01:31.000 And now is the Manhattan DA getting cold feet?

00:01:35.000 Are we seeing a little bit of trepidation set in?

00:01:40.000 If it ends up and it turns out that Donald Trump is indeed not indicted in the Manhattan DA, it will go down as one of the most interesting test cases and how to pre-bunk and use a mass media effort to actually get a DA that seemed to be focused on an indictment to have some doubt to say, I don't know if we want to do that.

00:02:05.000 I don't know if we're really on solid footing here.

00:02:10.000 And the best part is Trump is practically begging them to indict him.

00:02:14.000 And Democrats are saying it's a trap.

00:02:15.000 It's a trap.

00:02:16.000 They don't really know what to do.

00:02:17.000 In fact, now the media is upset.

00:02:20.000 Now, look, all cards on the table, just to make clear, it's very possible they still indict Donald Trump.

00:02:25.000 The Bragg grand jury is meeting today, and they very well might still issue an indictment.

00:02:31.000 But it doesn't seem as clear as it was yesterday.

00:02:33.000 In fact, they're now blaming Trump for the fact that he said he was going to be indicted and it muddied the waters and got everybody confused.

00:02:40.000 It's Trump's fault that Trump is not indicted.

00:02:43.000 What?

00:02:44.000 It's Donald Trump's fault that he's not yet arrested.

00:02:48.000 Don't believe me, this is Ari Melber super triggered.

00:02:52.000 This is the guy that wears a mask while he showers that Donald Trump announced that he was going to be arrested, but hasn't yet.

00:02:58.000 Donald Trump screwed up his own arrest.

00:03:00.000 This guy ruins everything.

00:03:02.000 Blake got 64.

00:03:04.000 One day later, and Donald Trump's prediction of his own indictment and arrest has not occurred, which is why we've always followed the facts and the evidence in this still quite hot, escalating legal story.

00:03:16.000 We don't follow the claims, the predictions, or self-serving pronouncements.

00:03:19.000 Whatever drove Trump to claim he knew what was coming was not, as of tonight, the whole, entire, or accurate picture.

00:03:30.000 It's not the whole accurate picture. 1.00

00:03:31.000 He's a liar. 0.99

00:03:32.000 How dare he say he's going to be arrested? 1.00

00:03:34.000 Donald Trump messed up his own arrest.

00:03:38.000 It's very interesting what's happening here because Donald Trump's strategy was that, look, an indictment seemed likely.

00:03:44.000 The Manhattan DA said that.

00:03:45.000 By the way, he was just responding to Fox News reports.

00:03:48.000 He was responding to publicly available reports that said he was going to be indicted.

00:03:53.000 And by the way, if there was not a plan to indict him, why were they putting up barricades outside of the Manhattan DA's office?

00:04:00.000 And so President Trump was presented with a choice.

00:04:03.000 The choice was very simple.

00:04:05.000 Do you just kind of hide and hope they don't indict you?

00:04:08.000 Or do you basically set the standard and pre-bunk the narrative, push back against it aggressively and assertively, and put them on defense, say, you go make the case.

00:04:19.000 And what the Manhattan DA found, and this was a very interesting kind of wrinkle here, is that the typical anti-Trump intelligentsia were not as enthusiastic for this as one might have expected.

00:04:31.000 There was some trepidation.

00:04:33.000 There was almost nervousness.

00:04:34.000 There was anxiety.

00:04:35.000 There was unease.

00:04:36.000 There was, yeah, I mean, the typical go-get Trump people.

00:04:39.000 They were riding out beds and stuff, but it wasn't a full-throated defense from the New York Times.

00:04:44.000 If you go read the New York Times articles over this last weekend on the Sunday edition, the New York Times was saying, well, it's kind of a novel in theory.

00:04:52.000 It's a kind of a new, let's just say, legal approach.

00:05:00.000 It wasn't the typical, this is terrible, this is awful, this must happen.

00:05:04.000 I mean, you had the MSNBC crowd saying, well, a crime is a crime.

00:05:07.000 It's a crime is a crime and a crime and a crime and it's a crime is a crime.

00:05:09.000 That was the best they could do, but they knew deep down that this was shaky.

00:05:13.000 This is the New York Times, quote, in this case, the second crime could be a violation of New York state election law.

00:05:18.000 While hush money is not inherently illegal, the prosecutors could argue that $130,000,000 payout effectively became an improper donation of Mr. Trump's campaign under the theory that because the money silenced Ms. Daniels, it benefited his candidacy.

00:05:33.000 But it's not inherently illegal, and it was also a federal election.

00:05:36.000 And by the way, it was Michael Cohen who made the payment, not Donald Trump, and there was no reimbursement by either the Trump campaign or Donald Trump personally.

00:05:45.000 It's kind of this legal pretzel.

00:05:47.000 And so Donald Trump, by leaning into this over the weekend, it might, if he ends up not getting indicted, it might go down as one of the most brilliant PR tactics in pre-bunking a political persecution, prosecution, indictment in modern American history, if he actually ends up not getting indicted, which there's no guarantee of that in the current moment.

00:06:08.000 But it seems as if you were to kind of do the betting markets, I'd say that on Monday, it looked like 99% he was going to get indicted.

00:06:14.000 Barricades, press trucks, leaks, profiles of Alvin Bragg and Politico.

00:06:19.000 It was everywhere.

00:06:21.000 And now on Thursday, I'd say the betting markets are probably 50-50.

00:06:26.000 I don't know.

00:06:27.000 They don't seem as the gusto to indict Donald Trump is certainly not what it was.

00:06:32.000 It's kind of like, I don't really know.

00:06:34.000 It doesn't seem as if they're making as strong of an argument as they were previously.

00:06:38.000 In fact, last evening, there was some breaking news.

00:06:43.000 New bombshell document shows that a 2018 letter from Michael Cohen's letter to the Federal Election Commission says that Cohen used his own money to pay Stormy Daniels.

00:06:52.000 Trump did not reimburse him, was not party to the transaction, and did not reimburse Michael Cohen from the campaigner personal.

00:07:01.000 Well, that throws more than a wrinkle.

00:07:03.000 That throws a massive curveball into the entire indict Trump campaign kind of crusade.

00:07:11.000 But then Cohen then later changed his tune and he says, well, actually, that wasn't true.

00:07:16.000 I mean, the guy constantly lies.

00:07:17.000 He is the worst witness imaginable.

00:07:19.000 Cohen got arrested later, got put in prison.

00:07:22.000 And now Cohen is saying, well, you know, Donald Trump is the worst and Donald Trump actually did direct this.

00:07:32.000 What we see here is a very interesting kind of sequence of events.

00:07:36.000 These people are driven by revenge.

00:07:38.000 They're trying to break your spirit and break your will.

00:07:40.000 They're trying to get you to surrender.

00:07:43.000 The New York DA is obviously doing this not just for political reasons, but for reasons to try to fulfill a blood oath promise that these people made the night that Donald Trump won the election and Hillary Clinton was not able to take over the regime.

00:07:58.000 This is all an extension in 2016.

00:08:00.000 This is seven years later playing out.

00:08:07.000 And now Alvin Bragg has responded to Jim Jordan.

00:08:10.000 By the way, Jim Jordan is going to join the program shortly, saying that Trump created a false expectation about his alleged arrest.

00:08:19.000 Well, hold on a second.

00:08:20.000 Wait, Alvin Bragg is now saying that Trump created a false expectation.

00:08:24.000 Do you see that?

00:08:24.000 If they backpedal any further, they're going to trip over their own shoelaces.

00:08:28.000 They're now setting a different expectation.

00:08:30.000 No, no, we were just doing the grand jury thing.

00:08:32.000 Okay, Alvin Bragg, if that's the case, why were you doing politico-puff pieces where you obviously allowed a photographer to come in and take a picture of you of kind of this profile picture of, oh, yes, stoic Alvin Bragg, look at me, I'm 200 pounds overweight, and I also can indict Donald Trump.

00:08:46.000 And I'm a non-political person.

00:08:48.000 Okay, Alvin Bragg, why are you setting the expectation?

00:08:51.000 Oh, it turns out you had an awful case.

00:08:54.000 It's baseless. 0.58

00:08:55.000 It's nonsense.

00:08:58.000 And all of a sudden, Alvin Bragg is now having to justify himself as a quote-unquote non-political prosecutor.

00:09:04.000 But Alvin Bragg thought, Alvin Bragg assumed Alvin Bragg expected something that did not happen.

00:09:13.000 It's fascinating.

00:09:15.000 He thought that over this last weekend, there would be a chattering cacophony of mockingbird media people defending him.

00:09:24.000 And Alvin Bragg looked around, he said, and he realized he was not getting the quote-unquote intellectual defense that he thought he was going to get in the New York Times, the Washington Post.

00:09:36.000 He was getting very, very skeptical opinion pieces.

00:09:45.000 He was just getting kind of lukewarm sentiments from the typical get-Trump people.

00:09:51.000 In fact, some people said, yeah, this is the weakest case.

00:09:55.000 So now what is Alvin Bragg trying to do?

00:09:57.000 It seems as if he's backpedaling.

00:10:00.000 He could still go for this.

00:10:03.000 But boy, is there doubt in that very big head of Alvin Bragg.

00:10:07.000 And there is doubt in that entire Manhattan DA's office.

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00:12:24.000 We discussed this last evening at our turning point USA event with Candace Owens at the Ohio State University.

00:12:30.000 But it was really prompted by the brilliant Victor Davis Hansen, who made a point that is so profound.

00:12:37.000 And I want to explore this for a second with you before we have Jim Jordan coming in the next segment.

00:12:43.000 Victor Davis Hansen is a classicist.

00:12:47.000 And so he spends, has spent most of his life dealing in things that are much deeper than American politics.

00:12:53.000 Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Herodotus, Greek and Roman history.

00:12:59.000 He's a brilliant man.

00:13:02.000 And so when he started to get into political commentary in the last decade or two, by the way, Rush used to talk about VDH before almost anybody else.

00:13:09.000 He was able to view politics through such a clear lens because he's classically trained.

00:13:15.000 He has this amazing foundation of understanding human nature, political community, power dynamics.

00:13:23.000 And so he's a clear thinker.

00:13:25.000 He's one of my favorite people in public commentary.

00:13:27.000 This is a longer clip, but it deserves it.

00:13:30.000 Play Cut 45, where VDH says, wait a second, you guys control everything, and yet you're still unhappy and you still need to go indict a former president.

00:13:41.000 Why?

00:13:41.000 Play Cut 45.

00:13:43.000 Well, there's two things that a republic needs to survive.

00:13:46.000 And one is you have to have a judicial system that's not weaponized, and you can't criminalize politics.

00:13:53.000 We're doing both.

00:13:54.000 They're so asymmetrical, they're not applying the law equally.

00:14:00.000 What are they afraid of?

00:14:02.000 They have the institutional support.

00:14:03.000 They own Hollywood Entertainment, the corporate boardroom, Academia, K-12.

00:14:08.000 But even with all that power, institutional power, they're still paranoid of what the people feel and what the people would do.

00:14:15.000 So they have this weaponized criminal justice system and this criminalizing of politics.

00:14:21.000 And I don't know how long it can continue, and you can still have a republic because the cynicism is at pandemic proportions.

00:14:30.000 Let's zero in on one of the things he said.

00:14:32.000 Wait a second.

00:14:32.000 So you control every major institution, Hollywood, all of academia.

00:14:36.000 And yet, instead of saying, wow, we've conquered every major institution, no, they are bloodthirsty to see a former president in handcuffs.

00:14:48.000 Why is that?

00:14:49.000 A couple things.

00:14:50.000 If their victory was inevitable, they wouldn't have to act like this.

00:14:57.000 These are the most paranoid, unhappy, quote-unquote, victors of a culture war.

00:15:03.000 I put that in air quotes because I don't think they've actually won as much as they think they have.

00:15:08.000 I think they've temporarily maintained control. 0.98

00:15:10.000 I think they've taken over the Bastille, and people are looking around and saying, those people are nuts, and we got to remove them. 0.94

00:15:17.000 And yet, all they know is to how then to try to extract revenge against their political opponents and their enemies.

00:15:25.000 And it goes to show a couple things: that these are deeply unsatisfied people.

00:15:32.000 They're lacking of purpose.

00:15:35.000 They have a lack of meaning, largely because of the rise of secularism.

00:15:42.000 It's an existential void, an existential despair that they fill through making themselves believe that they are fighting evil by trying to lock up Donald Trump.

00:15:53.000 It's not going to not fill that God-shaped hole in your heart.

00:16:00.000 It's not going to happen.

00:16:01.000 But I think it's equally as interesting, though, that from a political standpoint, these people are not acting, these people being the American left and the regime, are they acting with the confidence or the stability that someone would act if they think they're going to keep on winning?

00:16:21.000 They're acting in a neurotic, paranoid, frenetic, unstable way that makes it seem as if they're afraid they're going to lose power at any time.

00:16:34.000 And that's so interesting.

00:16:36.000 And I think it's true.

00:16:38.000 I think deep down, these left-wingers, the thing that they fear most is you and the regular American people waking up and challenging their authority.

00:16:49.000 They're not acting nearly as powerful as we sometimes think they are.

00:16:56.000 I'm not saying that they're actually weak.

00:16:58.000 That's not my argument.

00:17:01.000 But they're acting scared.

00:17:05.000 They're acting frightened.

00:17:07.000 This is not the way that a confident movement, they're lashing out largely because they feel vulnerable.

00:17:15.000 They feel exposed.

00:17:17.000 So they control academia, Hollywood, social media, major corporations.

00:17:22.000 They control the Senate. 0.98

00:17:23.000 They control the White House.

00:17:24.000 They control the Leviathan.

00:17:25.000 They control the bureaucracies.

00:17:28.000 It goes to show that these are very ideologically insecure people.

00:17:33.000 And the only way they can cope with that insecurity and that vulnerability is to go try to imprison their political opponents.

00:17:41.000 But that should be a little bit of a shot in the arm.

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00:17:51.000 They're acting neurotically, like how people act before the fall of a great evil power.

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00:19:01.000 So basically, let me set up the timeline here as we're working to get Jim Jordan on the line.

00:19:06.000 Basically, Alvin Bragg and his office look like they're going to indict Donald Trump over the weekend.

00:19:12.000 They put out barricades, puff pieces in Politico.

00:19:16.000 They're getting ready for all of it.

00:19:17.000 The case weakens as it gets more and more media scrutiny.

00:19:20.000 They become more and more scared, like terrified children.

00:19:24.000 And now all of a sudden they start to push back.

00:19:25.000 One element of this, and this is exactly how to use political power, and Jim Jordan deserves so much credit for doing this, is that the U.S. Congress, the U.S. House of Representatives, controlled by Jim Jordan, basically asked a question: Hey, what are you doing?

00:19:44.000 Now, you might say, well, why does a House of Representatives have jurisdiction here?

00:19:47.000 It's a former president, first time in American history.

00:19:49.000 You better believe you should ask questions of this.

00:19:53.000 You're trying to tell me that if Nancy Pelosi controlled the House of Representatives and a local DA was going to try to indict Barack Obama, that Nancy Pelosi wouldn't ask questions out of that local DA, that's preposterous.

00:20:09.000 It would happen in a moment, happened in a heartbeat. 0.96

00:20:13.000 And so this put the DA on defense.

00:20:15.000 The case is so obviously bad.

00:20:18.000 It is so shaky.

00:20:19.000 It is so awful.

00:20:21.000 It is so flawed.

00:20:22.000 It is so terrible that Jim Jordan just started to ask a couple questions.

00:20:27.000 Hey, we're from the House Weaponization Subcommittee, and we're wondering, and he's also the chairman of the judiciary, what is the case here?

00:20:37.000 What's the precedent?

00:20:38.000 FVC said it's all fine.

00:20:40.000 Just asking very simple questions.

00:20:42.000 And then Alvin Bragg now has responded to Jim Jordan saying that Trump created a false expectation about his alleged arrest.

00:20:50.000 As if the Trump derangement syndrome, and I don't love that term, I think it's overused, but it actually is perfect here. 0.63

00:20:57.000 As if the insanity and the pathological behavior could not get any worse.

00:21:04.000 The argument the media is now making is that it is Donald Trump's fault that Donald Trump is not yet arrested.

00:21:11.000 This is their current argument.

00:21:13.000 Congressman Jim Jordan being head of judiciary has been one of the best developments of this new Congress.

00:21:20.000 And in more ways than one, we have seen what it takes to check and balance, to have oversight, and to oversee these bureaucracies that otherwise get no scrutiny.

00:21:32.000 In fact, as we're waiting to get them on the line here, the House Weaponization Subcommittee also showed that Merrick Garland's memo targeting school boards was completely illegitimate and had no legitimate basis at all for the Attorney General's anti-parent memo.

00:21:51.000 And so we're finally starting to see real points on the board, real cross-examination here.

00:21:56.000 This, I know there's a lot of disappointment.

00:21:59.000 I share that disappointment about the November midterms, but this is a tangible and measurable and real result from us taking back the House of Representatives back in November.

00:22:13.000 We take back the House of Representatives.

00:22:15.000 We now can ask questions of Alvin Bragg.

00:22:17.000 We now can find out about moms and dads being targeted on school boards.

00:22:22.000 Actual legitimate oversight.

00:22:26.000 The moment that we're at now is you got to ask the question: do you think a Congress controlled by John Boehner or Paul Ryan would also do this type of oversight?

00:22:40.000 I want to play some tape here just to kind of lead this up here.

00:22:42.000 I know we're working on a tech thing with Jim Jordan.

00:22:47.000 Let's go to this Cut 48.

00:22:48.000 Elise Stefanik talking about Alvin Bragg from a first person perspective.

00:22:53.000 Go to Cut 48.

00:22:54.000 Being from New York, I think Alvin Bragg in particular is the most radical DA you can ultimately get to.

00:23:01.000 So at the same time as you have him politically targeting and persecuting President Trump, he's lowering felonies and misdemeanors, which has been one of the reasons why crime has skyrocketed in New York City.

00:23:13.000 Even the Washington Post has pointed out that this is a zombie case that the Department of Justice passed upon, the Southern District of New York passed upon, and yet now you have the most radical DA imaginable going after President Trump and doing the bidding of Joe Biden.

00:23:27.000 Joining us now is Jim Jordan, who is in a letter kind of dispute with Alvin Bragg.

00:23:32.000 Congressman Jordan, thank you for your leadership.

00:23:34.000 What is the latest between you and Alvin Bragg?

00:23:36.000 Well, we just got his response back, Charlie.

00:23:38.000 First of all, thanks for all the good work you do.

00:23:39.000 We got his response back this morning.

00:23:41.000 We're going to take a look at all that and review it and see where we go next.

00:23:44.000 And now last night, we did send letters to two of the individuals I think prompted all this, Mr. Pomeran, Mr. Dunn, who used to work for, they were assistants to the DA's office there, left and through a fit, wrote a book, pressured mounted from the left for Mr. Bragg to go after President Trump.

00:24:01.000 Because understand what else what Mr. Fonig just said there.

00:24:04.000 She's 100% right.

00:24:05.000 The DOJ chose not to take this case after the Mueller investigation.

00:24:08.000 FDA, Federal District of New York didn't want to take the case.

00:24:11.000 Cybace, the previous district attorney, wasn't going to take the case.

00:24:15.000 But more importantly and most importantly, Alvin Bragg wasn't going to take the case.

00:24:19.000 The Soros-backed new DA, left-wing DA, Alvin Bragg, he wasn't even going to take the case because there is no case until Palmer Rennance and Dunn resign, start the pressure campaign.

00:24:32.000 And maybe most important, he wasn't going to take the case until President Trump announced he was running for president.

00:24:37.000 I think that may have had an impact on his change of mind as well.

00:24:41.000 So we all know this is political.

00:24:42.000 That's why we wrote the letter to him.

00:24:44.000 That's why we've written the letter to Mr. Pomeriss, Mr. Dunn.

00:24:47.000 We want to talk to those two individuals as we can.

00:24:50.000 This is a legitimate function of oversight and of actually getting questions and understanding what exactly is happening here.

00:24:58.000 It seems as if as soon as you just start asking very basic, very simple questions, Alvin Bragg gets all bothered.

00:25:05.000 We have the letter here where now his argument, I'll just make sure I understand this correctly, Congressman.

00:25:09.000 He's saying that now Trump has created a false expectation about his arrest.

00:25:14.000 I mean, that's an extraordinary statement for someone who just put up barricades around his office.

00:25:18.000 Your thoughts?

00:25:19.000 Yeah, no, no, no, Ken.

00:25:21.000 I think one line that stuck out in me in the letter is they said that they suggest that Congress is looking in this solely for a personal advancement of the investigators or to punish those investigated and is therefore in our position asking for this.

00:25:35.000 So that seems like they're describing themselves because Alvin Bragg said while he was running for the job that he was going to go after President Trump.

00:25:43.000 As we said, no one else would take this case.

00:25:46.000 And of course, never forget where the left has been.

00:25:48.000 First, it was the Russia investigation, President Trump.

00:25:51.000 Then it was the phone call with Zelensky they tried to impeach him over.

00:25:55.000 Then it was, we want your tax returns.

00:25:57.000 We want all your business records.

00:25:58.000 They went after that for years.

00:25:59.000 Then it's to go after his children and their business endeavors.

00:26:02.000 And now, of course, it's this this with the district attorney in Manhattan.

00:26:07.000 So the country, I think, fully understands that they have been out to get President Trump.

00:26:12.000 And I think the key question is, why?

00:26:14.000 Why are they so out to get him?

00:26:16.000 Because he got in office and did what he said he was going to do and fought for the American people.

00:26:20.000 Yeah, so the critique that people are throwing at you is that you don't have the authority to do oversight on Bragg.

00:26:29.000 What is the ⁇ Bragg is saying that you do not have that.

00:26:32.000 I find that to be preposterous and laughable.

00:26:34.000 What is your response there?

00:26:36.000 Well, they've used federal funds in their office.

00:26:38.000 That's obviously a link to the federal government.

00:26:40.000 We think it's been reported that there was coordination between members of Congress and Alvin Bragg.

00:26:45.000 So that's something that I think warrants looking into.

00:26:48.000 And then there's just a fundamental fact that this looks like an abuse of federal election, the influence on our federal election process.

00:26:55.000 Because again, Mr. Bragg said he wasn't going to take this case.

00:26:59.000 And then President Trump announces he's running for president, and suddenly he's back involved in the case.

00:27:03.000 So I think there's all those issues.

00:27:04.000 And then they're talking about, if you can believe what's been written in the mainstream press, they're talking about a campaign, federal campaign finance laws.

00:27:11.000 And then in a broader sense, this is why Mr. Comer and Mr. Style also signed on to the letter.

00:27:17.000 The House Oversight Committee, which Mr. Comer chairs, has the broadest jurisdiction.

00:27:21.000 They can investigate anything at any time, any matter at any time, is the authority of the Oversight Committee.

00:27:27.000 So I think there are all kinds of reasons why we can do this.

00:27:30.000 And then there's sort of just a basic, does this really pass the smell test when legal scholars left and right are saying there is no case here, but Mr. Bragg is proceeding anyway.

00:27:41.000 I think it's like this is a pretty darn unique situation.

00:27:44.000 Yeah, it is, and I'm thrilled that you are doing oversight and that you're using political power to actually be able to get answers for the American people.

00:27:53.000 And Congressman, it's really important to recognize that if Nancy Pelosi was Speaker of the House and a Republican DA tried to indict Barack Obama, you better believe they would be using every instrument of power to do a lot more than even ask questions.

00:28:09.000 They would just be all over it.

00:28:10.000 And so that's really, really important.

00:28:12.000 And so, yeah, please go ahead, Congressman.

00:28:14.000 Charlie, think about what I was just going to say, think about what happened two weeks ago in a 48-hour timeframe, two weeks ago.

00:28:20.000 Chuck Schumer asked Rupert Murdoch, don't play the January 6th tape on Fox Network.

00:28:26.000 The very next day, the Judiciary, House Republicans on the Judiciary Committee, we released a report that shows the FTC was going after Elon Musk and Twitter and asked Twitter, who are the journalists you've been talking to, named four journalists by name.

00:28:40.000 The very next day, two of those four journalists testified in the House Judiciary Committee, testified in front of us, and Democrat members of Congress asked those two members of the press, who are your sources.

00:28:51.000 That happened in a 48-hour timeframe.

00:28:53.000 That is how the left goes after the First Amendment, undermines the First Amendment, goes after people.

00:28:58.000 And they're upset that we're asking questions about what they're now doing, attempting to do to President Trump. 0.80

00:29:04.000 I mean, it's ridiculous, the argument you hear from them.

00:29:07.000 I want to play a piece of tape here as we get ready to ask Jim Jordan about a really important question here about the first veto at ESG.

00:29:15.000 I think we all underestimate the sinister nature of ESG.

00:29:19.000 Let's play Cut 81.

00:29:21.000 Joe Biden issuing his first veto.

00:29:22.000 And that's telling, isn't it?

00:29:23.000 The first veto of his presidency.

00:29:26.000 That means that they're in agreement on almost everything, except this radical environmentalism stuff.

00:29:31.000 Joe Biden is standing basically for the end of modern American capitalism.

00:29:37.000 That's how big of a deal ESG is.

00:29:38.000 Play Cut 81.

00:29:39.000 I just signed this veto because legislation passed by the Congress would put at risk the retirement savings of individuals across the country.

00:29:48.000 They couldn't take into consideration investments that wouldn't be impacted by climate, impacted by overpaying executives.

00:29:56.000 And that's why I decided to veto it.

00:29:58.000 It makes sense to veto it.

00:30:00.000 He's just reading a script provided to him by Greta Thunberg.

00:30:03.000 Congressman, we just played that piece of tape of Joe Biden's first veto.

00:30:07.000 What can you do?

00:30:08.000 How to weaponization of government committee and also judiciary to have a counterbalance on the social credit system ESG? 0.55

00:30:16.000 I think it's one of the great plots to destroy America.

00:30:18.000 Your thoughts?

00:30:19.000 No, you're exactly right.

00:30:20.000 And frankly, what the president said, it's actually just the opposite because they're focusing investments and a number of companies now get together and there's this initiative of investment groups to pressure big companies not to invest in certain type of things that would give a good return for the maybe a better return frankly for for the American people and for the investors themselves.

00:30:43.000 So excuse me, what he articulated was just the opposite of what's going on.

00:30:48.000 So we have actually we've inquired of this Climate Action 100, these investment groups that get together and again put pressure on companies not to invest in, for example, oil and gas.

00:30:59.000 I mean, so think about it.

00:31:00.000 One of the reasons we have record inflation is because what Joe Biden and this administration has done to American energy and the energy independence we had under President Trump, that's what's driving up the cost of everything else and all the other prices.

00:31:13.000 That's a huge contributing factor to that.

00:31:15.000 And frankly, it's this inflation that I think has caused the Fed to raise rates now to deal with it and the whole banking issue.

00:31:20.000 So it all stems from this crazy concept.

00:31:23.000 Much of it stems from this crazy concept that this ESG investing, which is so wrong.

00:31:28.000 So yeah, this is something Congress has to do.

00:31:30.000 You have so many things in front of you, but would you be potentially willing to do ESG hearings, maybe even bring Larry Fink, the $10 trillion man in?

00:31:39.000 I think this warrants some oversight.

00:31:42.000 The ESG thing is incredibly unpopular with regular people, and they've really not been asked a lot of questions.

00:31:47.000 What are your thoughts on that?

00:31:49.000 Yeah, no, we sent a colleague and I sent a letter to this Climate Action 100 asking about these kinds of things.

00:31:56.000 I actually think probably the best place for the hearings is in the Financial Services Committee, because that's where so much of this has gone in this move to stop.

00:32:04.000 You know, a few years ago, they went after people in the firearms industry.

00:32:08.000 We're not going to bank people.

00:32:09.000 And it was a target there.

00:32:10.000 But this is almost like more of an antitrust kind of concern, which would have some jurisdiction with us.

00:32:16.000 But I think it's probably going to be more of these hearings will take place in the financial services.

00:32:19.000 So really quick, you have now issued another report on Merrick Garland.

00:32:24.000 What have you learned so far on the weaponization of government against moms and dads that want to ask questions about their kids' curriculum?

00:32:31.000 It was totally manufactured, not my words.

00:32:34.000 One of the Democrat U.S. attorneys in the Biden administration, that is one of the things they said is this looked like a manufactured issue, a manufacturer quote crisis.

00:32:44.000 We didn't see any need for it.

00:32:45.000 They federalized it.

00:32:46.000 And remember what Democrats told us.

00:32:48.000 Democrats told us when we first raised this in the fall of 2021, they told us that, oh, the counterterrorism measures will never be used against parents.

00:32:55.000 Yes, they were.

00:32:55.000 Our report shows that.

00:32:56.000 In the Northern District of Georgia, they were used.

00:33:00.000 They said there was no coordination between the school board groups and the Biden administration prior to the initial letter from the National School Boards Association.

00:33:07.000 Yes, there was.

00:33:09.000 Those school board groups were talking with the Biden White House, talking with the Department of Justice and the Department of Education prior to ever sending the letter, which prompted Merrick Garland to send the memorandum.

00:33:19.000 So they created the predicate.

00:33:21.000 They hatched this plan to go after moms and dad.

00:33:24.000 And then, of course, they said there were threats all over the country.

00:33:26.000 And of course, there weren't.

00:33:27.000 It was a manufactured crisis.

00:33:29.000 Now, they still went out and investigated 25 parents.

00:33:31.000 One turned into a full investigation.

00:33:33.000 But guess what, Charlie?

00:33:34.000 No one, not one single person's been charged under this scheme that was put in place by the Biden administration.

00:33:41.000 They thought it was going to help Terry McAuliffe become governor of Virginia.

00:33:44.000 It backfired and helped Glenn Young win that gubernatorial race.

00:33:48.000 Congressman Jim Jordan, I think it's so important we hold these people accountable.

00:33:51.000 We're out of time.

00:33:52.000 Please continue to keep the pressure on.

00:33:54.000 And I know you guys are working at it, but we have got to get to the bottom of this intergovernmental interdepartment collusion, especially on the spying of Americans, this Patriot Act 2.0.

00:34:05.000 I know you guys are on it.

00:34:07.000 Expose the shadow government and the Leviathan Congressman.

00:34:09.000 Thank you so much.

00:34:10.000 You bet.

00:34:11.000 Thank you.

00:34:12.000 I want to compliment one of our listeners.

00:34:14.000 We have the best listeners.

00:34:15.000 This is because it's kind of something I said earlier about how paranoid these people are operating.

00:34:20.000 And she said, Charlie, you never feel good about a grade when you know you cheated to get it.

00:34:25.000 God designed this this way.

00:34:27.000 And that is true.

00:34:28.000 Actually, when Cain murdered Abel and God said, hey, where is your brother?

00:34:34.000 How did Cain respond?

00:34:36.000 Kane responded, What am I?

00:34:37.000 My brother's keeper?

00:34:39.000 He didn't say, Well, I murdered him because he knew actually there's some God gave you some element of consciousness.

00:34:45.000 It wasn't enough.

00:34:46.000 It's why you had a Noahic covenant and eventually the Ten Commandments and then eventually the laws of Moses.

00:34:52.000 And of course, now, in the Christian view, the New Testament.

00:34:56.000 But God gave you some consciousness, gave you some balance of good versus evil.

00:35:02.000 Even though these treacherous Democrats are doing such damage, there's something in them that makes them feel hopefully, I don't know, they're willing to admit it, but unhappy and maybe a weight of guilt.

00:35:13.000 And they're lashing out even more as a way to compensate for that.

00:35:17.000 Because they think the only way is forward.

00:35:18.000 No, the actual way is to repent and to stop persecuting people because of political differences.

00:35:24.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:25.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:35:29.000 Thank you so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - March 23, 2023

The Art of Not Being Indicted with Rep. Jim Jordan

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